1.15.2025 Traffic Board

as soon as open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible start off with the roll call Lieutenant Dart Stephanie MacArthur

director of traffic and parking Natalie melow Helen Rigo John will Point okay U take a motion to approve the minutes from two months ago November 18th 2024 motion to approve second seconded by John any oppose seeing none minutes approved uh before we get to the agenda is there anybody here for citizen input that is not on tonight's agenda

excellent uh motion to approve the pending dates for the 25 traffic board meetings motion to approve second second by Helen any opposed none agenda passes all right curve Cuts we have 78 Melville uh engineer Department reviewed the application found no issues you have a motion on this motion to approve second seconded by John any opposed none

209 Adam Street curb cut engineer Department reviewed application again found no issues motion to approve you have a second second second any oppose none all set that wased tabled requests from two months ago St John's 1365 Rodman 1365 Rodman all right this was tabled from last month was this tabled for discussion so we'll give them a table to uh show up next month okay motion to

table on this one motion to table second second and any opposed none table this uh commercial

Church Street for commercial vehicles table from two months ago Church Street how about Grant I have one for Grant too I let gr you see Grant that's attached to AGA it was one that also it's not on the agenda location not on this don't get sauage I'm not there yet is there anyone here from Grant Street for same issue on parking concerns with commercial vehicles yeah oh here we are

enforcement yeah I think some of the qualify heavy commercial vehicles is that this one is that this church that's church but it's a similar issue toing um is there anything you'd like to address the board with um prior to us discussing the issue you guys brought forward if there it is come on down I um yeah I wrote something up to talk about absolutely come next page was give to

hello um so just a name and address for the record please oh Kristen Silva 147 Grant Street and I'm Dennis Felman 149 Grand Street um so the parking in our area um has become increasingly difficult um due to the commercial vehicles so a few nights ago last week I went to I walked around my neighborhood and I found 13 commercial vehicles parked between um South Main Street and Broadway down Division Street

my block on Grant Street and then on Williams Street um between uh Broadway and South Main Street so between all and they're all double parked some of them aren't even registered um double parked in the roadway well they're double parked on the side of the street so they're taking up double like two parking spots where cars could fit so they're parked like in in the middle of where like so if two

cars can fit in a spot between two driveways they're parked right in the middle taking up both so that's taking up two parking spots for one commercial vehicle um some of those commercial vehicles aren't even um legal because they're register ations are expired so I found two of them whose registrations are expired and they're still parking on the street that was verified through the

R&V well I don't know because I can't verify through the RMV but the sticker still says 24 and it's doesn't necessarily mean they're unregistered it means that the sticker is not good but yeah yeah well the sticker isn't good so they may be illegal they may they may not be but um also in my area there are multiple like out ofate vehicles that have been there for over a year and Massachusetts state law from what I

found they're supposed to register within like 30 days of being here is that true if they live here yeah if they live here so if they're here consistently for a year nope then they don't live here they have to they could be here consistently all day long I could be leading you I live in Rhode Island but every night I'm hanging out at your house and still have my address

there for the next 3 years well these are like Virginia and New York plates so no we met on Okay so dating I'm just saying but you're right I mean if they are if they do have a current residence here it would be that way okay all right um so yeah that's that's basically what I came here to talk about um is you know all the commercial vehicles parked everywhere there are multiple um like empty parking

lots around or businesses that are closed at night that maybe they could team up with and pay for parking over there or something I don't know there's quite a few you know solutions that could that I think could and I'd like to add something due to the issue with the commercial vehicles now people the residents that the cars that are in the neighborhood uh it it's it's becoming a habit where I can't get out of my

driveway because people are that the back of their cars or the front of the cars are extending into the driveway now I've called the police repeatedly and I asked the question is there a rule about how far the car can be from the basically the entrance of your driveway and I was told no you know they can't be in your driveway but they can go right up to the edge of

it okay but if they are blocking the driveway um that nobody comes out anyway there's also a car on Division Street that partially blocks Grant Street like consistently every night so they're parked like out and like so and it's even during the day in the morning when I leave to bring my daughter to the bus um and you can't see around the car making it a blind turn turn on the

corner no it's in it's partially in the I have pictures actually they're blocking partially blocking Grant Street um I do have pictures of some of these know you know if that's been called into the department I have called it in and nobody showed up or the person car ever or the car ended up moving car actually on several occasions had a ticket on it and someone they still they still do the

same thing right I haven't seen the ticket but that's not when I've called so th this is the can I come up yeah please so this car consistently Parks like this and then you can't see around when you're in a shorter vehicle yeah too close um and that that is consistently night after night um they do leave pretty early in the morning maybe 8:39 but when I leave to

bring my daughter to the bus I have to make that turn on Division Street and then also on Division Street when you take a right um from Grant Street to Division Street there are cars that Park in the no parking here to Corner Spot M and that is a consistent thing day and day and night and the buses can't get around I have gotten out of my vehicle and helped navigate the bus to make that

turn for a neighbor's child because they can't make that turn um because their cars consistently parked there all the time and and it's that car that's partially blocking our street it's the same car every single every single time so they're consistently doing it um and I mean they may get a ticket but they just keep doing it and I don't know if they're paying their ticket or not but

maybe they don't care but it does make it dangerous for the residents in the neighborhood to make that turn if there was ever an emergency up there a fire truck had to come up Grand Street make turn onto Division Street it's not happening oh it is it's going to take the front of their vehicle that's what happens well okay but I'm just saying I drive a pickup truck and it takes me

three or four turns to get around the corner in the morning at 5:00 that's my that's my major issue is I leave the house at 5:00 I can't get out of my driveway I call the cops they send somebody down they tell me there's nothing they can do they try and call they try and call the plate they tell you there's nothing they can do they can't do no if the car is impeding my

driveway so I can't get out they tell you there's nothing they can do they they will call they try and get a hold of the owner of the car and i' I've asked can you tow it and they said they can't tow the car unless the car is completely across the driveway that is 1,000% untrue okay okay well that's and I've been told this repeatedly that's why I've asked the question about 2 feet

you know if there if there's a rule where you can't park within 2 ft at somebody's driveway and I mean the bford the rule is 5 ft are they at all so let me back up real quick when they when you have called about this is the vehicle actually past the curb cut and in the driveway yes y so here's one of the times that they are past the curb cup and blocking par partially blocking the

driveway that's just one of the times um cuz I've only started taking pictures as of recently so but these are consistent problems that happen um all the time MH so in a in a situation like that one y you're unable to get in or out of the driveway can't get out of the driveway to work period not like even not that it's inconvenient no but you cannot get out of I had an officer one morning tell

me look I'll try and help you get out we'll see if we can get you out with the way things were and I told the officer I'm not going to bang up my vehicle or somebody who's parked legally to try and get out so I went and woke my wife up so she could move her vehicle so I could go down Grant Street the wrong way it's it's that's not right it's it's it's

yeah ridiculous I you know it's it's and it's getting progressively worse that's not fair here's another time that was recent that they were blocked actually blocking our driveway and when we do call the police station nobody comes out sometimes they don't come out sorry sometimes they don't come out and I understand resources are limited the police are busy and I get that um but it

does make it very difficult you know for residents to be able to leave the house um and and do what they have to do you know and my nephew downstairs has um epilepsy so if there is an emergency right that that you know could be extremely dangerous for his health calling 911 and then having family members go to the hospital because not every family member can go in the mother

and father can't go in the ambulance so like one parent can go in the ambulance the other parent drive but they can't get out of the driveway to meet their child at the hospital that makes things really difficult yeah I completely understand and can sympathize and appreciate what you guys got going on I would love to be able to wave a magic stick and give par it is one of the most um contentious points about

U being part of this board I want to go back to the commercial vehicle um complaint you had you said you counted up some x amount of crazy number of vehicles yes 13 I have pictures of them from that night okay what if when you talk about commercial vehicles are you just talking about that a vehicle that has a commercial license plate no they are the they are the big Vans

so like the big um GMC Saharas so here's one one of them another one yeah so that's why I asked those are um not illegal to park on the street that commercial vehicle statute that we have that um ordinance is talking about like an f600 or obviously track the trailer okay something that's going to take up seven parking something that is solely used to transport you know Goods things like

that not a so those vans can 1,000% be purchased and registered as a passenger car passenger plate mhm okay the fact that it just has a commercial license plate on it it was being used for commercial purposes but that doesn't trigger the city ordinance as far as this cannot be parked on a public way overnight that's something that a lot of people um get confused with that's why

right away I wanted to know what type of commercial vehicles you have now again I understand that it's a larger vehicle that van is no more bigger than you know a Ram 2500 or a a oversized pickup truck that people have for their regular thing so it's going to take up just as much parking space the mere fact that it has a commercial plate on it and of itself doesn't trigger that ordinance so they

are legally parked on a public way okay that's one thing unfortunately we all have to deal with there's no enforcement that can be done about that okay let me just let me ask a question I'm going to throw throw this out there I don't know if anything can be done within the city but like Boston Boston has neighborhood parking passes perit you live in the neighborhood you purchase you prove

residency or you purchase a permit and you can park you park on the street legally that eliminates people from three blocks up there's no place you know parking on your street is that something that that's the city's ever looked into uh I would say no because Boston's 10 times our size um they have a lot more Revenue things of that nature uh are there things that potentially could be done about this sure can I say

that I've ever heard of one or thought of one myself I'd be lying if I if I said I had I'm sure there's fixes to just about any problem we can think of um but to this point in time I've yet to hear or be myself be able to think of a magical remedy that's going to help curb this as more businesses are coming into the city it's a good thing but at the

same time time it becomes detrimental because space is like anything else it's a finite resource and it gets taken up and unfortunately it comes at the detriment of the residents that are there I get it it's in it's a terrible cycle all we can do is enforce the things that we can't enforce it you know sometimes we have to come up with a whole new ordinance to help curb some of

these things that might be one of these potential magical fixes that we have maybe that does encompass oversized Vans that's something that could potentially be discussed um but as as far as dealing with the first complaint those oversized commercial vehicles those ones that you showed me kind of what I expected them to be those are well within the law to be parked on a public way overnight um

as far as the driveway being blocked and the vehicle you have blocking uh intersections it's going to be a frustrating answer but this is the this is the answer we have right now this is the only mechanism in place you do have to call the state that is 1,00% an enforcable law Law Enforcement issue okay like you said there's been times maybe they haven't showed up or at least you feel like or

think they haven't shown up I get it listen again that's another thing I'd love to be able to fix at the wave of my hand police calls get triaged obviously um if you are trying to get to the hospital or you can't make it to work you got to relay that information to those dispatch ERS um you guys residents taxpayers all that you get the same amount of right to service okay those

cars can be towed if they are preventing you from getting out of your house or into your house or things like that they definitely can be told by a police toe okay don't don't let that get mistaken um unfortunately if it's not something that has to be towed right if it's mere illegal parking or whatever it's going to be cited and that is the extent of the enforcement so partially blocking

the intersection is not towable no that that absolutely can be like and again um so there's 25 ft of the corner that's taggable okay anything within that is going to be taggable if you're right to the corner taggable if you're in the intersection I would say any officer that's going to call or if I saw this happening that's going to be tagged and towed because that is 1,000% a safety

issue like you mentioned the the engine I can promise you far of a fire department is not and not turn down the street cuz there's a car blocking they will cut the car in half and I brought that up because Chrissy here bought a brand new car a couple of years ago and she was parked on the street legally and I guess the fire department makes routine P runs throughout the city at

night just to make sure they took out your car and they took out car they took out my car I was parked legally but there was an oversized commercial vehicle parked across the street and they my car that I had for a month brand new off the lot um and of course of course City paid for it that's great but then you know that the some money comes out of my pocket rental car I need my

car for work you know so yeah yeah I've been through that again I I know this is not what you want to hear but you got to call the department for these things if it is something of you know more importance I can't get out of my house I have to be at work I have to get to the H whatever it is you got to relay that to the dispatch and they can change the

um priority of the call okay but if you're just going to call and be like oh hey you know there a car blocking the driveway it's frustrating I get it but that's not going to bring top TI your priority when everything's going on all right um so we covered the commercial vehicles the blocking of intersections and the driveway was there another portion of the plan I think that's it I

think that's it I think that's it I think those are the my main concerns yeah I would just say that you know at night and you know 9: to 5: in the morning there's a small fortune for the city to make and Grand Street you know what I just happen to have the um privilege right now of running the Traffic Division and I'll make sure those guys are well aware of

that okay okay very all right thank you so much thank you

so prohibited parking Blossom and Indian toown Road uh these residents are not here but it's something we want to discuss on the agenda just for the record uh their request is no parking on Blossom Road at Indiantown Road from that intersection all the way down to where the residents um homes begin um personally I do not see a safety concern or issue that there needs to be a No Parking to my knowledge the persons

that utilize that strip are typically Hunters during the hunting season if you will um anytime I've ever been in that area which we just did some some enforcement over there not too long ago uh the cars are legally parked they are off of the roadway it is not causing any safety hazards or obstructions to the flow of traffic um I do not see or know of a valid reason why that needs to be

prohibited parking uh wish they are here to give us their reasons but at this time I don't have have a a recommendation on why that should be done you want to table this or was this table from last time it was tables from last time yeah so at this point I'll take a motion if uh the board has one mtion motion table it was table so deny deny okay seconded by Helen yep any opposed seeing none

n all right into new requests request for the PD to do a traffic study at the intersection of North Maine at Weaver Street we have anyone here for that traffic study okay uh so request was put out to this uh to actually it's being brought to the PD they want a traffic study for North man at Weaver Street in light of The Pedestrian uh crash that had happened a couple of weeks ago um as

of this week the uh the motor vehicle division had placed a traffic trailer up there that trailer records um speeding traffic flow all that data so we'll leave that there for a couple of weeks in place and we'll pull that data um and we'll get it to the traffic board so that'll be all set uh brought to the yeah so we'll table that for next month then to get that data uh we have a

motion motion to table second second by John any opposed second n students only trity regarding safety concerns on Stafford Road I assume that is all yall come on

down so we are here for a lesson in in local government our students um try to uh learn about a real world problem and the problem that we came up with was the entrance and exit at South Coast Plaza and Stafford Road and we talked about different problems that we have especially exiting and especially at um dismissal time from both schools Holy Trinity and lerno and how it's dangerous to try to exit when

you're leaving that um Plaza and so the students came up with some solutions um max what was your solution uh my solution was to cut down some the bushes there so it would be easier to see when you're turning on which side uh the left yes very good so when you're coming out of the plaza turning left onto Stafford Road uh yes that is it's a nightmare I tried getting out of it's a

nightmare really I actually agree with you people absolutely it's a nightmare so Bush trimming I got it what else we got so my solution is like adding a red light green light I forgot the name but traff yeah traffic light and because same with the bushes like when when someone is like probably walking and trying to go on the other side you cannot really see cars and uh and you don't want to get hit

so uh we can add like a red light like a traffic light so we could uh prevent uh any uh injuries uh to happen I like it I also have the idea of making a traffic light you can't take his idea how many traffic lights you want you got to give me a fresh one you should have stood there um I thought say traffic I thought of putting like a not

parking from here to Corner sign so when you try to turn out the car is not blocking your way um so you don't like hit any cars or there's no incidents that happened I like that it was just you for that worked on this project no I have a class of 31 we all worked on it it did a really good job who identified this um intersection as the problem that you

guys wanted to work well honestly I did because I Al I work in that Plaza as well and it is a nightmare yeah um I mean Helen nearly agrees it's something I'm actually surprised we haven't uh had brought to our attention in the uh in the more recent months um so I want to thank you guys for tackling this and coming up with some really awesome suggestions except you you didn't get a pass a B for

this but uh these are all really good awesome valid things that we can start looking into um just so you guys know how this typically works right um when we start talking about throwing up signs or traffic lights you guys got to remember safety is the most most important thing right that's par those are the reasons why we're going to instill any of these things um but things we have to take in consider from

government or city standpoint is what that does to traffic right the pattern the flow all those things um so it's a delicate balance safety is always going to Prevail but we have to be able to justify these things um you guys have all been in a car and stuck at a red light before right what do most people feel like when they're stuck at a red L right T not trying to run into the

grocery store or get out of the grocery store go home and cook up dinner or whatever and now you got to sit at that I like the bushes thing though that's really good the only thing about the bushes um super easy to do when it's on our property being the city we can send our people down there and take care of it it gets a little bit more tricky

if uh those bushes or it's a tree that's within um somebody else's property they are supposed to maintain this but it's just an extra step you know what I mean we have to go and knock on that door say hey your um vegetation is is causing a safety hazard but these are all things that we're going to take into consideration we're definitely going to be able to work on the cutting back the

bushes or trees whatever that is um you're outnumbering me two to one on the traffic lights but I can't say that I'm I'm in favor of throwing a traffic light up there just yet um what do we have up there for signage you know so for Stafford Road a portion of it is prohibited parking but unfortunately when it comes to drop off and pickup parents want to get their kids they want

to get in and out so they do eat wly Park we we have been enforcing that I've been having parking control go and enforce the prohibited parking but it then comes to a point of you know parents having to walk to go pick up their children and not everybody is thrilled about that but it is it is prohibited parking over there right by lerno we have on either side of that opening um any of the flashing

signs they did just fin they did put closer it was closer to lerno not to the intersection there was some flashing signs over there with it being a school zone yeah it's there is on both sides yep it's just it's in the school zone though it's in the school zone area that's the only flashing signs that are up there for a turno nothing closer to Holy Trinity or South Coast Mar Plaza yeah

this one next you come yeah y the concern is more at the the shopping plaz right not so much shopping plaza when you're exiting front on the Stafford Road um entrance and exit turning left and the cars are just flying by and it's nearly impossible to get leave the other piece of that too is people coming from the timan line oh yeah you get two lanes so you got one that turns

left into the plaza yep and those that keep going straight so the people who are turning left might be stopped people are coming out because this keep zipping there's no control there isn't don't go to don't go to the market at that hour of the day I tell you guys what um I happen to have another one of those uh data trailers available I'm curious to see what the flow and what kind of speeds

are being done over there so I'm going to have my guys drop one off those one of the big Trails you probably seen it in the city it's got that big neon sign on it um it'll collect some data for us and uh if you guys could give me the month I'll have that trailer collect some data we'll see how many vehicles are flowing through there what types of speeds if it's you know clearly a

problem like that that we might have to go to a uh a traffic light since there's two of you nice more there were a lot more what grade is this class this is sixth grade congratulations keep voicing your opinion abely what do you guys think that that that fair enough for you one of those data collection things up there thank you very much for your time and consideration of course thank you for

coming thank you for coming thank you principal thank you all right traffic

trailer Green School they will not be in attendance for today's so weekend took a picture motion to table Green School motion to table seconded second seconded byen any oppos see none 109 George J&J Bakery requ for 15minute parking George Street what Bakery is that the old camaris Bakery yes you opened it you bought it uh I hope for this month I'm sorry I hope it open this month hope to

open this month yeah I need a wait for the the guys is stage for the drain in the roof sure that one M uh what so what's going on there uh your name and the address of the business uh I'm so sorry I don't speak very well uh I'm a try I'm Shady your name uh my name Jou okay and the address of your business 109 George Street okay what is it you'd like to uh

uh have done I need a help about for the the park on the front for the bakery because uh I don't have for the space and uh maybe you can help me I about for the sign the 15 minutes for the plate 15 minutes yes because uh I have for the Michael sh for the the the F the the fabric uh the employees is us for the back holiday yeah yes um what time is

your business going to be open um 6 and uh 6:00 p.m. six to six yeah is that what you're looking for for the 15 minutes or what what hours are you looking for 15 minutes maybe it's 15 minutes because this is a take out right right right but what hours of the day it's that so I'm not going to throw it up there and say 15 minutes 247 you know

what I mean it would be 15minute parking during your business hours like when you're open so are you looking for Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. to 300 p.m. what I Mo for 7 days for the six 6: a.m. and uh 6:00 p.m. but I me hope I hope for the Sunday I close for the 2 p.m. because I don't went for the op for the holiday for the Sunday you haven't

opened yet so you're not sure what you're going to do yet for the hours you're not quite certain on the hours that you're having yet right mhm you know you're going to open up every day but you don't know till what time on a Sunday maybe yeah maybe I don't know I don't think he understand um I think uh the 15-minute parking is definitely going to be a good idea I think maybe um

we can make a vote on giving the signage and let him uh give Steph a actual idea on what his hours is going to be once he's closer to opening mhm that's s reasonable reasonable is there a motion to accept it that way motion to accept second second by John any opposed seeing none so what's going to happen okay you're going to get your 15-minute parking sign but when you're

close to opening you need to call City Hall talk to traffic it's going to be her and let her know exactly what hours you want on what days okay okay okay I'm go go for okay good Lu all set okay thanks so much I'm so sorry about my English I'm I'm learning thank you bright F Cafe 483 bright f

all right um your L's pretty straightforward you already have three spots allocated in front of the business but you just want a 1 hour parking correct well they're not allocated they're just regular street parking oh okay yeah and Monday through Sunday 11 to 11 correct 1 hour parking I have no questions for anybody from the board motion to approve I like her we all done second second by John any

opposed seeing none easy easy Perfect all right thank you good luck South Coast Funeral Home 1555 Pleasant streets South Coast Funeral Home the table second second by John any oppose see you none okay handicap spaces that were tabled from two months ago 138 albian hello hi you need me to go up to the

nope she just last what was that she wasn't in attendance in November that do you have the uh oh cof of the LI you know why it went ahead that I went ahead that's why she didn't bring it in I have nothing need the registration yeah okay so I have that with me um your application looks good but you're missing a couple of pieces that we just need to verify we

need the registration the license and a copy of your actual plers okay if all all those you do have them all yeah I got the picture of it I don't have a copy of my pler yeah we need that too so she have to come back yeah we we need the plard the registration and the license so if you could just bring that to my office on the second floor we'll

attach it to the application okay so do I bring it to you tomorrow today yeah that's fine the office is closed already they closed at 4: so yeah tomorrow's fine okay um conditionally um with all that paperwork being um all set I see no issue with this we want to take a uh a vote on this yeah it shouldn't have to come back approv second second and any opposed seeing none it will be all set provided

you give Stephanie all that paperwork okay okay thank you so I'll make copies of everything and bring it to Second Floor to yep or you can bring the originals and we can make the copies whatever's easier for you okay okay all right yeah no problem you you as well 357 South Oxford South Oxford this was already tabled so motion to deny second seconded any opposed see none of you 7-Eleven Ray Street KY you did yeah not

I mean we can discuss it I mean as we have this discussion already compliance we've already tabled it twice yeah we'll talk about it real quick um just for the board for a resident handicap parking at tany school all right 7-Eleven Ray Street they want additional handicap parking in front of the school um problematic okay the the school has x amount of parking spaces and they are in

compliance right now with a property having every 10 spaces they need at least one handicap spot they have 30 they have 36 and they have three at two they have two which is in compliance it is in the up to up to 50 you has to have two parking spaces on property they have the two which is the required minimum um to authorize extras I think they will look

up to another two in front of the school six it went six six seven seven in yeah yeah right in front of the school they wanted the seven parking spaces in front of tan based on the information we have right now I don't find that to be a feasible request um obviously he's not here it's already been tabled if you would like to file this again and be here to give us his his explanation you

can hear him out but at this point I don't see a reason to hold on to this any longer motion to deny second any opposed none all right new handicap 94 broad 94 Broad Street 94 Broad Street on one all right motion motion to table this is a new one this second second oppos 1833 South Main hello give us one second

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all right man couple of questions for you okay uh how long have you been on South Main I just moved month okay and the picture of the property looks like it has driveway access no it's a crib there two cribs it's not a driveway it's a yard with the car in it there's no car in it that's that's me that's the building next door yes okay that's 1831 see and um okay so the front of the

building says 1831 I'm behind it's two it's 1833 so the front is a store and then the house is in the did you have signs in the other house yes she already had signs in the other house M so did you just transfer yeah she's just moving she moved someone wants handicap spot where she is now right but it's different measurement so it has to start all over again unfortunately Charles Street sign is y

that's where I usually par to go in house so you would be requesting the signs on Charles no the out outside when you walk outside my house there's this there's a um sign that says okay I see no issues with this that as far as the driveway being available and no letter from homeowner that driveway is for the business which is in front her address is actually the back of it

so she doesn't have a driveway so there's no need for a uh motion second seconded any oppose see none all set give it about 12 weeks and they'll be out there and they're going to put it the closest to the uh entrance point for your property okay thank you very

much 135 Buffington 135 Buffington there a motion table second seconded any oppose see none 1076 bord give us one second so the only issue isue that we have with this one um so do you like does he live upstairs from maruchi yes okay so maruchi does have time signs in front of the business and then beyond that is another property with a bus stop in front of it so as far as where the signs are going

to go thinking to he talk to the L thinking to put on the other side the business that needs a parking lot so that would then be going in front of I think it's the business over there to sh is there a business over there I uh I think it's a barber shop yeah so that's where it becomes a little finicky no yeah it's the gr so it's the grinder shop he lives upstairs so there's time

signs here bu upop here and then there's a barber shop where they're requesting it and then it would at that point be kind of going a little deep up so what's this way from it St this is the time signs but that those time signs are going to go in front of the barber shop so this is the barber shop right here nope that's another property is that it right that's a bus

stop there time signs in front of makuchi and then the barber shop is Right beyond their driveway so it's it's and at that point if you go beond barber shop it's going to be quite a a distance if we go say 20 20t okay so um you guys the ones that there where is it you're looking to have it placed right next to the parking lot like it's like a little in front of the mirror

like the glass from the barber shop so it's like a fits over there before you he like the window so there's it's in front of the time parking spaces for makuchi right here they want it right over here in front of this barber shop so this is the maruchi lot they're requesting it over here but that we're then putting it in front of this business does that business have any signage no

signage say this sh first come for a serve business what's in the front this way you said the this is time science and then a bus stop right over here in front of this house this is another property wa this car's par mhm see the bus stop that car's not supposed to be there so we can't put it there CU you have to be 60t from the Bus St

any is that used a lot for the bus how could say a whole parking lot and two spaces mhm yeah yeah who prove that that's beyond our time that's way before us so I don't know the this barers shop doesn't share this and my only concern with that too is if there is a car parked here when they're coming out of myoi it makes it difficult for the outcoming traffic but

it does that's just people don't want to pay attention to driving go this way this way there's plenty of room here it's going to be about 20 25 ft so if unless we have bought their driveway if we put the first Pole right there and then we go about 20 ft back it won't it won't fully be in front of their business how we do that CU that's even closer to door

is mm that's going to be another oh well so um you know what I mean yeah I get it where the trash barrels get placed is where they're reques it's going to be where tentatively where your parking space should be yes that's what they Tau the the trash B yes and the property owner of makuchi is the is it the same owner that owns the upstairs that where he lives the makuchi yes okay so he is

he aware that you're applying for this yes because he talked to the landlord and she said it was fine yeah I mean it you got to make do with what we have so I would say that's going to be the the spot they have to go in other than that I don't see any issues with this application motion to approve second second any opposed see none all set thank you you know when about 12 weeks

thank you very much you're welcome 504 Bradford F 504 Bradford F got a motion motion table second by John uh any oppos see M 436 William hello

not no yeah William is very congested I see no issues but yeah but if we bought this is it going to affect that's the same problem I have yeah I mean same we go here you know what I mean is that going to be 20 ft though from the corner right can't put the corner you got to go up there and measure it what do you want me to

tell you woman do your job yeah but we can't put it there if it's going to be 20 ft from that corner

right front of the house right at the corner there and it wouldn't be 20 ft to give enough room for the parking space yeah it a oh you can fit the car there yeah I can fit the car there right there it should be it has to go right there though cuz there's a crosswalk right there so it can't go beyond that I don't yeah has go there stop complaining miss spot is there a

motion second by H any opposed seeing none all set man than 437 Lindsay hello

how long you been on theind we just moved there but we were on another house for 21 years I think this is the

house that's uh driveway belongs to that property uh it's not according to me I they told me I can't parp there that people pay the park back there and there's a dumpster back there too A big dumpster so it's not available to you no it's not okay um that with that exit when people come off of 79 they fly on to Lindsay and she's already been hit by a car before

that's why I really want to get those signs in front of the yeah uh again you there's no issue with your packages because your property has um off street parking attached to it you need to give Stephanie um a letter from the landlord saying I have in my lease it says a model cop that's great that's what we need but you need to give it to Stephanie so she can add it to the pack

right CU if she has everything else I believe yep everything's good we just need that one piece uh we'll vote on it now provided you give that documentation and it says as such all set okay okay motion on this motion approved second any opposed see none just get uh Stephanie that that letter whenever you can yep okay thank you you got it all right we sended handicap spots on Burn room we got Osborne Street bir

Street Rich Street spray Street and Oliver motion to accept these mtion accept second second it any oppos none that concludes our traffic board meeting thank you oh yeah you get it