1.24.2024 Historical Commission

great thank you right uh good evening everyone uh thank you for joining us tonight for uh the meeting of the Fall River historical commission um it is Wednesday uh January 24th 2024 it is 6:02 pm um the commission is meeting via uh virtually via Zoom um pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are

therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible um the meeting is being recorded uh via zoom and it will be available um through the Fall River government TV uh YouTube page as well um may I get a roll call please here I'll do hold on I'll do a roll call by by name uh Elizabeth the

block present uh Rick Mancini Rick manini here present over Zoom uh John Lima present Ashley tuna present thank you and Jason bushard andar Rocky present via Zoom um I believe Joyce Rodricks should be attending she is having some te technical difficulties um and Connie Su is not present um we do not have any open seats um so with that said uh we are going to roll right into um election

of officers for 2024 um we do need to vote on um a chairperson a vice chair and a secretary I recommend Jason buad NY as chairperson of the historic commission we need a second I'll second that thank you and I do accept um oops sorry jotting down thank you I to accept thank you um so uh do we Rick do we normally do this as a roll call for each one oh there I would yes

okay all right let's just make sure that Joyce can hear us Joyce can you hear

us which just sign up I know um uh this is going to be a problem if we can't have her hearing what we're doing and the ability to take a vote um hold on let me see if I can get I do apologize this is a little embarrassing

I don't think she can hear us

um I don't know what the Precedence of this is if we can if she can't hear us can she can't participate is is the um is the chat box or the chat dialogue recorded as part of the recording of the meeting could she respond via text yeah I don't think so yeah I don't think so um I don't think she can hear us at all so she can't hear us at all do do you still

have that sign available I don't think she's going to see it though that's just it um what happens yeah I can I mean I can try and see and hope to God that she can see this because we cannot hear her um are we a quorum without her or no we are a quorum we are a quorum without her okay so maybe we just move forward as it is what it

is yeah um she's not answering her phone correct no she's not okay we cannot hear okay all right let's see if she can this is she just responded no I know at least she can see that um let me see if I can get her of dialing on her phone yeah um and she can go on her phone exactly yeah that'll be a good idea oh the things we do

right you you might want to give her Jason um the call-in number which I have it up if you want me to read it off to you that would be great uh one sure it's one 646 931 3860 386 and I'm going to imagine she's going to need the meeting ID maybe I don't know the meeting ID is 821 7719 7548 7 719

7548 she sees

that all right let's see should let's see if this

works she's looking up I'm hoping that she is writing this information down I they the other option is can we well we are a quorum we are AUM technical difficulties so just not I would just announce that we're not getting a response from Joyce due to technical difficulties right I'm wondering if so I'm wondering if uh hold on let me just double check hey um Alex have you experienced this before

where we've had uh where there's been members who have dropped off because of technical difficulties

okay all right um just so I can run the meeting if somebody can try calling Joyce I could give you her number and see I'm actually using my phone for Zoom okay so somebody else will have to do it yep yeah I can try calling her I don't know if she'll pick up though because she won't recognize either way if you're busy taking uh notes Elizabeth I can call

it's up to you here Eliz uh or yeah Rick I'm gonna text it to you I don't want to announce that over Zoom so there you go all right I just sent it to you in the text all right I'll get right on it okay in the meantime uh let's see if we can pick up the pieces on this one um all right so previously we had a motion by Rick

and a second by John uh to nominate uh myself for chair um may I get a roll call Elizabeth yes sorry that's right uh Rick yes John yeah and Ashley yes thank you um thank you very much and I do accept that thank you um we need to vote uh for a vice chair hold nominate Rick I'll second that all right um I have a motion by Elizabeth and a second by Ash to vote

for uh to nominate uh Rick for vice chair roll call vote please we have Elizabeth Yes Rick all right listen when when we take a vote I'll give you let's just pause this for a and you can is that a house phone I was just thinking the same thing speak so you'll be able to hear do we okay all right here it is can you put oh okay okay I've got her on the landline

now is she on speaker well she's GNA have to go through my landline yes she's not calling she's on my phone so my phone is near the speaker so we'll be able to hear her can you hear us okay Joyce okay oh okay if she can do that then us oh okay this is a problem it is yep um that choice Rick here's my proposal can she if she can't join on the meeting

um this we can't do the meeting this way um if she can't join in on the meeting we do have a quorum if she wants to sit on sit this one out we can do that yeah Rick you want me to try and put her on my cell phone that that's on speaker Rick since you're on the phone with her could you give her the phone number for the zoom meeting and have her

call that yeah I'm on speak of phone now uh J uh Jonathan this phone is on speaker but she can't hear it you I'll be right back I'll justold all right we're having different postings not going to work well we have a so if you want to just sign out just set this one out yeah I mean honestly that would be the easiest solution at this point just um because of the technical difficulties

uh I mean I can unless somebody wants to get Joyce in on speaker on a cell phone okay we're back she's going to uh keep trying but she's going to sign out for now okay all right um if that's the cas I just with staying on visually yeah the thing is I if she's on visually that's that's she's present but she can't she can't vote so I is

there a way we can remove her off of the zoom uh I don't know we could check with Alex I think Alex has to remover exactly is that has has that been done Alex oh she just left the meeting anyway just left the meeting okay so let's try this again I do apologize my goodness um all right so we are voting for a vice chair we have a motion by Elizabeth we

have a second by Ashley uh to nominate Rick for Vice chair uh may I get a roll call vote Elizabeth Yes Rick yes John yes Ashley yes and Jason bushard andar rocki yes um thank you and we do need to nominate a secretary um I would like to nominate Elizabeth NOP okay ashy second okay um all right uh we have a motion by uh myself Jason uh buard naraki and a second by Ashley to nominate Elizabeth

for secretary uh making a roll call Elizabeth yes Rich uh Rick yes John yes Ashley yes and Jason bashard rocki yes right thank you everyone thank you thank you oh Rick you accept too right I did I did thank you so much everyone thank you thank you apprciated easy enough um okay item number one we have the minutes that Elizabeth distributed to everyone uh from our December 19th meeting um has any does anyone have any

questions on that no okay I make a motion to approve I'll second that Rick all right motion by Ashley second by Rick for the minutes roll call Elizabeth Yes Rick yes John yes Ashley yeah and Jason bardi yes thank you do we have any citizens input all right um I did receive one notice of intent to demolish uh 631 Airport Road it is a wind turbine I it's not listed on the registry um but just

for our protocol anything that has a demo permit has to go before us um it's a very large turbine but as I told Carri it is not listed on the registry um so we have nothing under correspondences um under new business we have um Michael a flash presence I believe uh from Heritage Consulting Group he's requesting continued letters of support for tax credit applications this is for um the Wyoming Mill at 110

Chase Street uh flip Mills 135 Alden Street and the dery block at 80 to 84 North Main Street um thank you Jason I should I jump in there yes if you want to mind uh just uh introducing yourself and stating um your name and the company that you're from please uh Michael The Flash with Heritage Consulting Group um on behalf of uh both the or all three of the um Wyoming Mills

Flint Mills and dery block projects um we we appreciate your continued support and um there's there's no alterations or or changes to the scope of work at this time um you we we actually just received our MHC letters um just this week so so we've got some work ahead of us but at this time nothing um nothing new proposed okay excellent um has there been any work so far in terms of I know

the Wyoming Mills had a bit of uh demolition um that was to occur has that started no no no work has started anywhere yet um I I will say as of yesterday the roof at the dery block has some partial collapse to it so there there will be some some roof repair that needs to happen in the not so distant future but we as a team haven't yet figured out that final solution so it's

um time sensitive but but roof repair at that point right okay um so I'm not sure John and Ashley were you were you on the did you come on to the board when we reviewed these projects I don't believe so okay um so the Wyoming um Mike if you wouldn't mind um just um Bringing Ashley and John up to speed real quick on the three properties sure sure yeah why Wyoming

Mills um over at Chase Street off of uh chasing Globe Street um the that's three different buildings are considered to be the the true historic buildings in the complex they're all currently interconnected by a bunch of 1970s in in later era appendages so um it breeds is kind of one massive complex right now um as part of the the project uh the team is proposing to install apartments and

residential amenities within the three main buildings two brick Mills um and then a smaller Granite Mill um the appendages will be kind of mostly demolished um some of them will be will remain and serve as um amenity space with a potential for some commercial but those plans haven't progressed as far as the residential components have yet um that's Al in that's the that's Chase um

at Alden the former Flint Mills it's a grouping of five uh Mill buildings all Granite um quite remarkable actually they they kind of read as one large horseshoe shape um with an additional admin building kind of sitting off on its own that too will become Apartments um with again residential amenities a pool located at Center in the courtyard um some restaurant spaces potentially in the

future things along those lines um both obviously going for historic tax credits we'll we'll see you know complete window replacements um cleaning of the exteriors and and kind of as much retention of historic features as possible um at the interior as the apartments come into play um both of them are actually the same ownership group as well um so that's it's a pretty exciting time for that company um the

third being dery block right downtown um that's a a former Bank building um constructed in a couple of different phases actually between um the late 1800s and 1927 or so I want to say um that building three stories uh apartment units going in on all floors there a little more standard approach with that one excellent thank you these all market rate uh yes there will be some affordable housing but it's it's not

going to be primarily affordable so if if I don't quote on the number um but if it is it's going to be in that kind of 10% range based off of the amount of units I believe thank you thank you Michael um any questions um for Mr Le flash okay not at this time there's no ongoing progress so I have no no questions all right um so these are for continued letters support um so and also

um uh Michael just um just I know I think I've mentioned an email um so whenever the filing deadlines are um in January a uh is it January April and August I believe um so we we do ask uh for any any letters of support whether it's for tax credits or CPC funding that sort of a thing they um even if it's continued um just to meet with us

um prior to that so we can if there's any questions we have if there's any changes so just so everyone's up to speed on that um so with that said um so we oh I'll make a motion that we uh get letters out on those three prospective buildings properties okay letters of acceptance great thank you I'll second the motion all right motion by Rick and a second by Elizabeth for the three letters of

support uh make it a roll call please Elizabeth Yes Rick yes Ashley John yes and Jason bardi yes all right uh Michael I will have those over to you as soon as possible because I know you're waiting on those so I will get those out to you and it should be good thank you all and uh looking forward to coming back in a couple of months likewise thank you so much

um all right so item number four on under new business um the Fall River e permits um this was actually brought up by Ashley uh regarding the new permitting process with the building department um Ashley can you go over that please um so I went through the building permit application process that went live um late last year and when you plug in an address for a building permit there's nothing indicating um for

you to select whether it's a historic property or not um and nothing autop populates um I don't know if that's something we can integrate into the system uh that that identifies it as a historic property um but again there's nothing through out I went through the whole process and there are a total of seven steps um at no point does it reference any historical buildings um I was looking

recently and I apologize I forget the city or town I was looking at I think it I think it might have been Bristol rhod Island and in their building permit application uh one of the first questions is is this on the register so I think it's something we should Implement somehow um it doesn't exist now that's all I've got um thank you and so I did have have a phone call

from someone this is right almost when I believe the system went live um from somebody from City Hall I think it was Frank in the building department don't quote me um but he uh was trying to verify uh an address because it came across and there's no flagging on that he thought it was just because it was brand new um I I think it had just launched maybe like a day or two prior

um and I just had to confirm with him that know property was not historic or so forth but um so we so Rick and I are actually meeting with um the mayor on Friday um to discuss a couple things one of which is a check-in um and I REM if I if I remember right I believe the um the city administrator Seth uh adkin had mentioned that there's a way of programming programming something within

their their database that will flag properties um as being historic um the issue is um the issue is is that we have properties that are in the 40c those have a high level um for uh you verification because any change to the exterior for the most any structural change to the exterior um comes before us but then with the national with everything else on the city registry that's different um and really the only uh uh I

guess the only restrictions on that are demolition um in part or in whole um I think we have a decent system with that so far I mean it's pretty manual uh Carrie calls over um and I just verifi the address with her um so um I will bring that up we'll bring that up with um with the mayor on on Friday to see because that I can see that being a problem especially in the

40c um should somebody go get a building permit and you say like you know they're putting a new windows or something um so yeah uh because right now I think if it's still not if it's not showing up then they must be manually checking addresses which kind of defeats the purpose of being all online so okay I have a question about that so Ashley you were talking about Bristol Has a Field

where the person who's applying would manually check it off and say yes my property is historic so that's kind of honor System right the town would still have to check that on the back end and correct I almost think it's probably a better option to somehow upload a you know some sort of data that that puts all the addresses so once you put it in it automatically shoots something out like oh this is historic great

so um when you when you're uh going through that process Ashley did you see anything um regarding zoning I don't Rec the first step is your contact information then we've got location of the building when you put in the address it does pull up the information from the property cards oh okay um is that what you're referring to yes so um that was a thought that I had with um with regard to the 40c so I

believe I think Providence does this um and maybe even Newport um they treat their historic districts their local districts as an overlay Zone um and therefore it's it's a separate you know like for example if you are in the like in Fall River you have a house that's in the G District the general residential um there's a separate zoning code that lists that it's in a historic district

and that hopefully should prompt the flag that the you know U necessary committees that oversee that get notified right the zoning there is in the property data there is a zoning section here I actually did it with my address um and my zoning is L okay I don't really know what that means but so we'll Rick we'll bring that up when we meet on Friday um it I honestly think that would make a

lot of sense just having the the 40c as an overlay Zone um because then that will hopefully you know put the flag up with any type of zoning restrictions and building uh you know uh help their online permitting do you does that make any sense no no I hear you yes and and um we could probably sit with their computer person and then and find an easy method something that's convenient for the building department as well

that's that's important piece yeah and it's it's just addresses so that's that that's easy we can we can supply that um and if we go to expand the district then you know that's you know we just upload some more addresses to the the database so okay Ashley thank you very much for um for looking into that and letting us know not a problem is there any would also work in in zoning some of the other

areas some of the mill complexes and things of that nature so again speaking with their their building department and and getting a lot of that input you know just get a system that'll work for them well also other it's because it's a broader base than just the 40c right yeah I I think so um my immediate my immediate concern concern is the 40c just because of the the regulations that are there

but yeah okay any other questions for Ashley on that or comments regarding that topic good job Ashley thank you thank you um so item number five we have to uh submit a 2023 annual report um I don't know if my um the former chair filed anything after 2019 I did not see it online it it is possible that she did file um it just never was updated or at least

uploaded to the city's website um but if we are going for certified local government um status we do need to submit an annual report um so online was 2019 that was the most recent one um and it's fairly straightforward um you know has your mission statement basically um it just goes over we don't have a budget for one um we don't really have anything in the budget um we do have uh

we do need to mention any permits that we not permits um any uh demolition delay waivers that we have issued um letters of support um so those are things that we just have to record um and uh let's see um if there's been any Outreach uh we haven't had really any Outreach in the last year but um I'm hoping that we can change that soon um and then any updates to this um registry of significant

structures um so we have had a lot of letters of support for a number of projects so that's a little lengthy um we've also had a number we've had a handful of demolition delay waivers I think that we've issued um so I guess um I what I might do is I'll start uh putting this together um and uh let's see is there actually I will need assistance with this um can I ask uh

for one maybe one person that one or two people maybe that can help with organizing this and getting it uh put together so we can submit it yeah I can help I can help okay excellent um great thank you um so it's like there also if you need any thank you so it's only it's only nine the one from 2019 at least is only nine pages or eight pages so it shouldn't

really be too too much it just a matter of going back through all the different um agendas I do have copies of every letter of support that I've um that I've submitted and things like that so I can probably go through that with the dates and so forth everything's dated um do you think it's necessary to list every one of those U items or or just a general statement that approximately x

amount were issued because we do have the minutes of the meetings if someone wants to dwell into that a little more deeply is it do you think it that you would want to put all of those letters of support or or anything else I think well we just have to list them and I think what we could do is like a table that just says if it was an uh an initial letter uh especially for tax

credits because we get multiple projects or the same project multiple times so we can list if it was a initial letter or if it's a continued letter and I we could just do like a a grid box I think um and then um same thing for CPC those are usually one and done though the CPC letters are once um so it might we don't have that way we don't have to keep on typing out you

know we've approved this building's letter five times already um so we could probably I think we just list it if we have the information it's pretty simple so yeah yeah written but if you if you try and go back you do approximately a dozen of those CPC letters a year and that's a that's a good year right so you might I'm just questioning as to whether we want to list every one

of the CPC letters or just make a general blanket statement in the annual report that there were approximately 12 CPC letters written end the story people want to know exactly to or what they can go back to the CPC or get it from our minutes I would think okay um yeah the 2019 form that you had sent out is that a like a mandatory format or like one category that comes to mind is

if I recall correctly there was a section for fundraising uh right I don't believe we have any plans for fundraising it could that could just be omitted from the format I would assume correct yeah it's um yeah because uh uh when we had so our former chair um we used to have a line on the agenda that and it never changed it was um regarding our operating account we don't have an operating account um so

this we can we can omit that um so from my understanding like it's basically anything that we had done um I think they might want to see if we've tried fundraising but we don't we can just probably put it in as a line in like you know our summary for the year I guess um but yeah no it's it's pretty this is not a a template I guess um so great okay um I will check with

Allison to see when these are doe but um you know once I have that then I will we'll get the ball rolling on that it um so it shouldn't be it really should not be that that that much um did any any questions on it whatsoever or no okay um thank you um so under old business um item number six so the bank Street Armory opinion letter uh that was uh finally submitted over to city

council I actually sent it over um yesterday there was a very long delay in getting that done um but I was also waiting to hear from um uh regarding when it was going to be brought up because the uh city council it was tabled and had not been lifted um so I sent it over yesterday um Linda uh City councelor Linda Pereira had called me up and said that the um

that they received it however it won't be it wouldn't be read um for two weeks because they had a meeting yesterday which I was not aware of um so the uh at last night's city council meeting the um the mentioning of the letter there was the mentioning of the letter um to uh um to the city council because the item was lifted um and I don't it was just a matter of who was going to lift

it I believe it was counselor Dion uh Dion who had lifted the the the item um but anyways so at the end of the day the um uh motion to sell the Armory failed um so I don't know what that means if it's I believe it bounces back to the real estate um committee I believe and the mayor um but uh there were some options that uh councelor Pereira was um putting out one

of which was um that the the responsibility of the building currently is in the parks department um and one of the things that she had suggested to the council last night was that um the building should get transferred to the to the responsibility of our commission um so that way we can raise the necessary uh Grant funds uh from the state States and do whatever necessary work needs to get done um like a

feasibility study and so forth um I don't know what the possibility of that is so we I'm we're kind of like in unchartered territory right now so we will find that out um but like I said Rick and I have a meeting with the mayor on Friday so I'm sure that will be brought up before the topic of conversation um so with that said so that was sent over um I believe it will

be read at their meeting in two weeks um and I'll email it around I think I think Elizabeth and maybe Rick has seen it um but I'll I'll email email it around um and then regarding um item seven um certified local government applications so I sent over the final draft to uh Jennifer dty um she's with the state commission um so now it comes down she's reviewing and just making

sure that everything is there um I have everyone's bios and resumés thank you um I also included car a ases from licensing because she's the clerk for our um commission um or the staff person they did require that um ordinances is included there was a statement that I had to type up basically what we're doing and how these funds will assist us um so everything was submitted uh or at

least uh the draft uh it just needs the signature of the mayor um so that's one of the primary reasons why Rick and I are meeting with the mayor on Friday um Jennifer D will be uh from the state commission will be um there via uh conference phone call um just to answer any questions and I believe there's um uh the mayor may have some other people there to basically just get get an

understanding of the program um but as I've mentioned to them this will be very helpful for things like the Armory for studies on um any historic building in the city for um you know feasibility study structural assessments uh if we want to explore expanding National register districts um a lot of those gret funds can go for studies for um to pay for like the surveys the form bees

that that sort of a thing then it those are expensive um so let's see what happens on Friday um so that's the update on that um and uh next is um eight the highlands local historic district expansion um did you happen to receive the maps that I sent over okay um so I do have the website pulled up um and we we could um did you were there was it easy to read at least were you

able to zoom in and see streets and addresses I wasn't sure how that would appear but um let's see uh Alex can I do a screen share or yeah I I don't know about anyone else but to me uh zooming in streets addresses to me not a problem following the color coding was was challenging for me okay I agree Jonathan the the colors were it looked like colors were overlaid

over each other and so they kind of made you know I don't know what aggregate colors for the lack of a better term yeah I tried changing the colors on the map and it was not working for me so um but there is um if I uh hold on let me see um I do have the website pulled up Alex can um can you share the screen please oh I'm sorry all

right uh forgive me where am I looking sorry um I'm not seeing Oh my God right there Jesus okay all right um can everyone see this there we go we got it you got it okay all right so I did change I know the coloring is awful but um so I did change the layer this is on mass mapper through the uh States GIS database um I did change the map so it has the aerial

image I don't know if that's helpful um we could change the opacity of the coloring if that helps a little bit um I tried doing the custom color unfortunately it just made it even worse so um but anyways so let me see if I can just increase this just a little bit all right so in the blue is the current 40c to give you an idea um and then all these little these are the addresses um

so that's the general 40c right here now this foggy pink area over here this is the nation this is the highlands National register District it does include North Park it goes up Highland all the way up to that's um I think that's Stanley um so it does I mean safe to say um you know if we were depending on how far we wanted to do a Target area um I would recommend staying

within the uh the n and RHP District um so um my opinion is one that we should um it would be great if we can go so we have a part of French street over here um I think we should move outward towards Highland Avenue we can use the hospital as a boundary line um and typically the state would um really not want a boundary line to run down the

middle of the street uh they have made a lot of exceptions on that and we could use the case that the hospital is a major boundary line um there are some houses across the way over here on the corner um this is Highland Avenue and Prospect Street um 229 Highland 360 Prospect um these are part of the National Registry District um so I do know for example um 229 Highland I

believe that one um the hospital is in the process of purchasing um so you that will be before us I'm sure soon um but if we push the boundary line uh East I think we can make the you know the safe bet of using Highland Avenue as a boundary um and maybe include along these Olstead triangular parks um and then we also have to the South we have the Temple Beth L which is has been

in the news lately because um of their possible sale of the building um oh Rick just to answer your question so the old dery high school is in the highlands and just south of the old dery that's the lower Highlands National register District so that's a separate separate area um so it you know it all depends where you want to uh where we should focus um we have the Historical Society here on the

corner of rock and maple that's right here um so and I believe it yeah it goes down to the West doll school or I guess it's called the stone school on uh Maple Street um but there are some highlevel houses here in you know Belmont Street with excellent architectural characteristics um French street we have maple Croft um over here and so these are this is all for consideration we

have this stretch of Highland and Avenue 2 that I I like to refer to this as an atrisk neighborhood because of the scale of the houses there there's no protections on them uh one of which being uh Rising Sun um very significant um Japanese Revival exotic architecture um and there's no there's no design restrictions on it um and we have other properties too we have the um the ston

House on Highland Avenue the Nathan dery house um this neighborhood did lose a historic structure at 547 Highland a number of years ago um by demolition um and that's one thing that we'll that we would have control over with a in the local historic district is a um uh what do you call it um the ability to deny a demolition permit if it's in the 40c we don't have that if it's if

it's not we only have a six-month demo delay if it's just on the national register um you know and there's some significant um houses over here too um the Catholic dicese um Underwood Street so so with that said I'll turn it over to everyone where um how far out do you think we should look and so that way we can put together a list of addresses and we can get these letters

out I think we should start with a maybe that section where you're at now out to hen naav okay um and that's like French street over just I think maybe if we do a smaller instead of extending all the way up pilav at this point kind of see what the feedback is they were getting from residents that makes sense um we could also down the line if depending on how

this one goes we could look at doing a separate lhd on the northern part of the national register District um so that's something we can do um and also to um just before I forget just so you can see so this this is the nrhp district here but all these pink dots these are just property Parcels they're there is nothing listed ever here on the national register um we have so this is something if we do

achieve CLG status um I would love to have the North End surveyed um in inventory because this there's a lot of good good um examples of uh mid-century modern jingle style Queen an that is up there with nothing's been documented so jumping back over here no I do agree so if we did French Street um French Street running up to Highland um would you want to go up Underwood or would you prefer just to

stay out to the intersection of um what is this French island Underwood and then run down yeah okay and then how far how far down to the end of the existing 40c I don't know what street that is um so it runs it down to Maple which I concur yeah um a little bit Yeah so here's the Triangle Park though we could go another block beyond that we could so yeah down um I think just

so just so we don't former Corner we could probably go as far down to well yeah I think we do let's see um so I'm just looking at some of the properties here so this is the school department they're receiving CPC funding uh Historical Society has definitely received CPC funding so that would be in their benefit oh and here's Christ the Rock Church they have also received or will be receiving C funding

so we could go push it down to uh Walnut Street Walnut yes okay um so I don't want to form a corner um so if we extend it down so it would include um should we draft should we mark down the addresses yeah sure I can rate the all right um so if we do uh where's the so this this is this part's a little weird so this lot was

subdivided um it was part of the of 57 yeah so but this slot so is merged so this is so 49 what is that 4922 rock yeah uh 492 Rock um this is on the uh this is individually on the national register this is 456 Rock um we can do 414 Rock and then so we can't run it down the line so it would have to go from the border would have to do something like

this if we stop at Walnut um so what is that 388 Rock um and then then across the street 389 Rock um and then we would have to include this here this um the Greek Revival house um three what is that 386 hi um doing great what's that what's the law office correct the Greek Revival I think it's the Jefferson Wen house uh um this one I um this is a

pediatrician yeah this is one big lot um I mean so the other thing too if they're in the National if they're in the National reg register District as non-contributing they are listed as contributing in the lhd um or they have similar design I guess similar design regulations um so 387 High um do we want to go out towards what is this winter or no or should we just do it one block one house lot in you

know there definitely some significant houses over there but but to Ashley's point if you want to keep it more limited just kind of as a trial run that just keep it to that bord Highland out um this building 472 Walnut that's um oh that's the office rehab right that's civatech architect um so and that's a very that architecturally very significant um well so why don't we just do 387 keep it keep it buttoned up to

hen naav as a trial run and we can also look at exploring as we go along so that's 4113 High um then we have 19 Highland um 417 Rock 430 High 451 Rock wait can I interrupt you tell you what if one we yeah we include if we want to include the Triangle Park then it would be the other yeah so if we if we do the 40c is right over here so why

don't we do this instead of listing out the addresses I can um I can drop a map and I can just L get the addresses um over we can do that instead so if we just figure out what the boundary line is if we decide to just do one house lot in from the street we can just do that and that should be fairly easy I just I just need to know where the boundary

lines are um so if we do are we going to do one house lot in well if if we if we uh stop if we do that that that's fine if we go further to the east then we should get both sides of winter straight and just put it all in the in the okay present lower Highlands area so we should make a decision as to as to whether we want to pick up if

you look at the boundary lines you'll notice Winter Street it's on it's on both sides the the Highland District so if if we want to cut that back to Highland Avenue and just use the property that's running North on Highland Avenue that's fine but if we start to encroach a little bit Eastward then we should get right on both sides of Winter Street and get it done with I would so let's use this is Walnut Street

so let's use Walnut Street as the preliminary boundary line of the expansion area and so we're going to do one block in from on the Westerly side of rock to one block in from the southernly part of Walnut Street running to one block in or one house lot in of the easterly side of Winter Street so that will go up the existing border of the nrhp district and then we can just do that we can just

run that border all the way up so we're going up winter where it meets with Highland each one house lot in um and we can include these three that are here um I will say I might just for our own sanity I would I would recommend omitting 229 Highland because that we know will be coming up before us I agree yeah the one on the corner given waiver for demolition on that property

yeah yeah we can do that too um I I I just see that we will probably get opposition from the hospital though I'm trying to avoid that um 360 Prospect is owned by the hospital but that's um they just renovated it I can't imagine that they would want to take that one down soon but um it is also a good quality um colonial revival too so so um but yeah

so anyway if we run the Border up that way and just do 360 omit 229 um and then run the boundary line up to up to French and we can include 344 French and then just stop it there unless and then just do one you know these houses here on the Northerly side of French one one house lot in um and then it'll meet up with the existing 40c cor right okay I

mean is it greedy for me to want to do one more block and then that would also incorporate uh the Catholic dases so do you want to okay oh go up Norther so do you want to go up too much what is that Lincoln so we would do one house slot in so that's the the border right here anyways so up to that's Lincoln so yeah we could run the Border

up Rock to Lincoln and then up to the Northerly border over here um and then up to Highland if we go over to here though um I would recommend if we're going to do Highland a I would recommend including the old um Christian Day School yeah the the school that's here don't include these and we would run the line across Highland to include the Nathan dery house the Big Stone House

yeah and then down to there does that make sense because I I if we go further up on the Avenue that's going to be a whole whole other I feel like that's more houses to bigger houses too but I mean we could if we if you want to go up to the park we can do that but we should start it that for now all right so do you want to just

leave it running from the old school to the Stonehouse and leave leave that as the border and just include these mine with me okay all right so that's easy enough we can get a list of the addresses and I don't know if we necessarily have to have them addressed to the home to the you have them customized so it's to the property owner um it could just simply be addressed as

the property owner uh or just um you know doesn't have to have names um and that's easy I can uh get the list compiled and then we can have uh I can ask Carrie to get the letters out once we have the addresses um just for we notes what was the Western border again the Westerly um the West well so up in here the the Westerly the northern Edge would

be um over here would be 161 Underwood uh four can't even see what that says 484 Highland and then 503 Highland no I mean in gener like for the whole the whole proposed District um it would be Highland a and then Winter Street the west side oh I'm sorry my God I cannot uh Rock Street's the West okay yep uh which is over here perfect so that's the existing

border for the 2C um yeah well June uh is that yeah I think technically June street is the Border but let's just start with rock I don't know if I want to go yeah I don't think we should go out that too too far depending if we if if there's enough app appetite for this then we could look at going Wester uh more West um I mean it is Big which is uh the

expansion is big and that's fine because we need to cut back on it we can cut back on it yeah that's what I figure it's better to start a little bit bigger and we can lose Nar down okay well um are any concerns on those questions or anything the the advantage that we have here is that you don't need a 100% Buy in so that the and most or many of these

homes I I think you're going to find that they're going to you know sort of look forward to getting some get the home on some sort of a listing because our our 4C district is not very difficult and it does raise the valuation of the property right and we have um there will be a a series of public meetings so this is this is something that it's not you know

they're not going to get a letter in the mail hey surprise you're in in the protected District they're so we don't have to have every homeowner um but we I believe the only thing we need is a three two-thirds Council vote uh for it to pass um so yeah um the next so the next step is to get the letter uh we'll compile the list of addresses um and then we will get uh

send that over to Carrie with the letter um I think that should be it that's the first step and if there's a need to chase down homeowners I could take that list and sit in the tax office and and get the factual homeowners okay we have a lot of landlords yeah so I'm wondering if we uh we could Rick actually once we get the list um if you wouldn't mind is that if

that's something that you can do once we get the list um can you bring that list over to the tax assessor's office and they can compile they can provide um the uh mailing addresses for each absolutely okay sure great cool great um I think that any anything else on that before we move on all right this is one of the advantages of there's a lot of there's a lot of work cut out for us this year

it's gonna be a busy 24 yeah um and the inventories too um you know I'm happy to help with that um if we can if we're able to apply for any funding on that um great but once we have a more defined area um then we'll have to work on the inventories some of them have already been done but they haven't been updated so there's just some fine-tuning on that

um but uh yeah this is going to be exciting um and I'm happy to help with inventory forms it's been a while since I've done one but that used to be my job so oh great okay yeah if I mean depending on how big it is you know we could probably just do this in house so um and if we need any additional assistance too we might be able to add ask um uh possibly um help

from the preservation Society maybe um we'll see I feel like all that information should be on properties so the inventory for yeah so the inventory forms will be um we have to list the homeowner and so forth but then um we have to there's things like the that the MHC will want like um they need to know when the house was built if there's an architect the style the condition um if there's any like a

general architectural description just so if things are changed there's a record of the character back in 83 n back in 1983 many of these homes were put on the National Historic register uh and so there there is of course it would have to be updated but there is some data available so it's it's not as if we're going in cold turkey on on many of these properties right these all these have already been

surveyed so I mean some of them might have some of them will have changed for sure um so um yeah and some of the information though that went from the 80s it was not as detailed as correct requirements that MHC has now um they're a lot more um detail focused so okay um all right so with that said let's move on um regarding item 9 UM the just an update on the open meeting law violation

so on the 29th of December um everything was submitted over to the state uh also to Mr Mamer um let me just stop sharing the screen second there we go um so everything was shared with Mr Mamer uh and then the um uh State's Attorney General office so that is all set uh he did drop the he was satisfied with the response um and I believe it is closed on that so that's fine

um but I think that is it um do I have anything anything else before we adjourn else okay all right excellent so um it is 7:10 PM uh may I get a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion that we adjourn for the evening I would second that actually all right thank you very much um so a motion by Rick second by Ashley uh roll call vote to adjourn please Elizabeth Yes Rick yes uh

Ashley yes John yes and Joyce can you hear us can you do us give us a thumbs up if you vote Yes to adjourn thank you excellent and Jason bardaki yes thank you very much everyone Alex thank you very much for your help okay thank you thank you