The Fall River Housing Authority held a meeting on Monday, January 8th, at 4:40 p.m. The meeting began with the reading of the Open Meeting Law and a roll call, confirming the presence of all commissioners. Several routine items were approved unanimously, including the minutes from previous meetings, bills and communications, management reports, and financial reports. Executive Director McCoy provided an update, highlighting the timely submission of the HUD audit, plans to relocate management and clerical staff for better site familiarity, and an upcoming application for grants to hire Resident Service Coordinators. He also outlined 2024 goals, such as improving customer service and maintaining high occupancy rates. A significant portion of the meeting was dedicated to the Constable Service Contract. Patrick Duddy, President of Bristol County Civil Process, raised concerns about the lowest bidder, Steven P. Madus, alleging issues with workers' compensation, unregistered business invoicing (Minuteman Process Service), discrepancies in service invoices, and non-compliance with state law requiring payments to the city. Executive Director McCoy acknowledged some discrepancies and the workers' compensation issue, stating it could be resolved. After extensive discussion, the board voted unanimously to table the constable service contract to clarify the lowest bidder's compliance with workers' compensation, business entity registration, and payments to the city. The meeting concluded with the election of officers for 2024: Mary Sahar as Chair, David Underhill as Vice Chair, and Jason Burns as Treasurer, all elected unanimously.
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we're we're ready whenever you are thank you what's that good evening everyone welcome to the floriva Housing Authority meeting it is Monday January 8th and it is 4:40 p.m. um attorney soua the open meeting law please thank you madam chairwoman the language for the open meeting law is as follows person to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting
0:28or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible thank you Martha roll call chman Mr hardy here Vice chairman Underhill here commissioner Burns here commissioner Bentley present commissioner madas here thank you uh the first item on the
0:51agenda is Citizens input do we have anyone to speak even good evening good evening can you give us your name and your address for the record please my name is Patrick I'm the president of County Civil process corporate office at 126 presid in the city I'd like to speak to you tonight regarding agenda item D recommendation of a two-year contract with Sten December 26 the Housing Authority
1:19received two bids highest bid being County Civil process C and the lowest bid cover current which in this case the lowest was 44% less than the highest bid as well as $111,000 less than the proposed amount of the housing already so a over the last 15 years Brisco County Civil process has held the contract for the Housing Authority for coun services on it off a number of times being that said
1:49as president I have firsthand knowledge of the minor profit bins that is to be had with this contract due to the strict requirements for insurance that limit the Li ility to the Housing Authority just raised the red flag with me I have submitted Freedom of Information Act requests to the Housing Authority as well as the city of Flor which have supplied the board earlier today both
2:11email and hard copies a number of the public record searches were also supplied that were done on the state's website as of this afternoon I am unable to confirm your current vendor as working compensation also your current vendor is invoicing the Housing Authority as a business other than which he holds as contract this business is not registered with the secretary of state or indicated on any
2:35bid Awards during a review of his invoices I noticed some discrepancies these discrepancies have gone would have gone unnoticed unless someone knew what they were looking for I took four the discrepancies at random and went to the for of a housing cour this morning and reviewed the case files in each case your vendor had made claims of service performed on the defendants as last and
2:57usual service however only invoice the Housing Authority for one male he also filed an affid with the housing court stating that he served them last and usual but on his account breakdown there's only a monetary value of one mailing state law requires each defend to be mailed their own individual copy if this was not done properly the Housing Authority runs a risk of having these cases
3:22dismissed I understand that it's the financial best interest of the housing authority to give the bid to the lowest bid but it would argue in this case liability that your current vend expose the housing authority to seeds any savings that this bid would be to give to him should also be noted as of this afternoon I'm still un unable to confirm because the 10 days doesn't expire till tomorrow your vendor has general
3:46liability insurance for the years that I requested your Venda has $1 million liability and collision all vehicles used to perform his Services your vendor has completed the work the workman's compensation requirements and if your vendor is in compliance with Mass General Law chapter 41 section 59a I would ask the board to take this evidence in consideration to place a monetary value to the exposure your
4:10current vendor has placed over the last four years after doing so it's clear that Bristol County Civil process is in fact the too low is bidder which is why I'm asking the board to not give that bid to that individual and give it to my company I'll be here for the remainder of the meeting and should you have any questions and any clarification thank you the next item on the agenda is residents
4:43input I didn't see you thank you Mary okay uh theant Council currently is running elections and all of its highrises we completed two O'Brien and Mitchell are done and excuse me three Mitchell O'Brien and Dulan are completed we'll be conducting in January Holmes and baressi and in February we will be doing Cel and carnal C council is going to hold an annual meeting February 28th that was Point weite Kevin and Tim to
5:25attend perfect and our Farmers Market is still going extremely well let everyone know great we it didn't hold up at 10 on December 20 excellent thank you thanks thanks Ed item two is the minutes of the regular meeting held on December 11th 2023 and the executive session minutes from August 14 2023 regular meeting the September 11th 2023 regular meeting and the o October 16th 2023 postponed
6:02regular meeting covers the periods from September of 2023 through December of 2023 do I have a motion to accept the minutes as presented in your packet motion to accept the minutes second all in favor hi hi thank you item three is bills and Communications with the vouchers in your
6:37do I have a motion to accept the vouchers motion to accept the vouchers thank you Jack second any questions concerns with regard to the vouches hearing none all in favor I I hi item four are your management reports the eight reports are included in in your packet one is the applications two is the occupancy reports three is the tenant accounts receivable report four is the work order report five is the
7:11monthly Section 8 voucher activity report six is the monthly Personnel count report seven is the director of modernization monthly report and the eighth is the Bank investment and bond debt balance reports do I have a motion to accept these reports I'll make a motion to accept the management reports second thank you any questions with regard to these reports hearing none all in favor I I I
7:44item five is the financial reports um you have in front of you the eight months ended November 30th 2023 these are the operating statements that are the IND individual and the Consolidated
8:10statements do I have a motion a motion to approve Financial reports second thank you any questions no questions all in favor I I item six is an update from our executive director thank you madam chairwoman happy New Year everyone we're all a little sick but nonetheless it's the new year uh just a few things I wanted to touch on um importantly our uh HUD audit that was due December
8:5031st um we did submit on time uh that's the second year in a row now um as you remember uh a year or plus ago we were late with our unaudited and that we submitted a corrective action plan for that and we've since uh been timely with our submissions so I'm happy to report on that uh effective January 16th we will be relocating our management and clerical staff uh management first and
9:24probably clerical uh a week or two after that this is a practice that the Housing Authority used to routinely do we probably did it a few years ago um and it's just a good way to uh better improve and and and and better familiarize our management staff with our sites um typically you have half the staff that welcome the change they're they need a change they burnt out um at the locations they're
10:02assigned to and then typically as human nature has it you have half that resist the change but overall I think it is um best for the Housing Authority it makes for a more well-rounded manager and clerical staff they get familiar with the different resident populations whether it be the elderly the family the mix pop and they get uh more familiarized with the different locations so um again you may hear some
10:36grumblings but I think after it's all said and done uh it's it's always better for the housing authority to have staff that a familiar with all our sites uh I will also be submitting um an application to eoh LC formerly dhcd they're rewarding grants to housing authorities um for Resident service coordinators so if we're awarded um grant money for this we can temporarily hire uh coordinators to assist um El our
11:14elderly and our disabled residents with Services kind of like our full-time staff that we have inhouse but this is additional funding and we would be able to hire more so um I'll be submitting that application on behalf of the Housing Authority uh just a few of the uh goals that I want to mention going into 2024 um we will continue to strive to uh improve customer service as I've
11:49mentioned since I became the executive director and all of the directors and the Departments have been doing a good job with that uh to improve upon that um we'll continue to uh make uh vacant units ready in 29 days or less uh credit to our facilities department and we will also continue to try to lease up ready units in 29 days or less through our management and tenant selection departments um and we've been doing
12:24pretty good with that uh we'll continue through our legal department and our Management Department to be aggressive with our tenants accounts receivable um whether it be by a formal Court agreements or in-house agreements made um just to stay on top of our residents that have a history of falling behind um and just to leave you with currently our state occupancy rate is 99% and our federal is
12:5698% so we're almost but there's always people moving out and there's some uh units that are wavered for different reasons so uh those are just a few of the goals that we'll continue to try to uh improve upon and maintain uh going into the new year and that's all I have anyone have any questions just real quick uh to the uh executive director um customer service um I want to tell you from my
13:30perspective as a um board member you're doing something right because I used to get plenty of complaints so I appreciate what you're doing um it's obviously working so I I'd love to see you continue what you're doing occupancy is up across the board that is important uh this turnover process very important I appreciate it thank you um the only question I do have on your report was in regards to your decision for
14:00relocation um is is uh there's value in that I understand it I understand it in my own profession um I wonder if there's anything preventing you from doing that any labor agreements is this you know something that the Housing Authority has done in the past so first thank you for the compliment but I have to share that with all the department heads I I could never do that by myself it's with Tim
14:27and our coun and all the directors out there um so thank you for that and we'll keep working hard at that as far as the relocation no there is nothing in the collective bargain agreement that prevents us from doing that there is no job description uh currently that they're permanent in one location um so obviously uh if there were issues with that it would be a little different it is something that we
14:59used to routinely do when I was a manager it it hasn't been done in a few years so you probably have not heard much about it but again as we do more often with our facility staff and moving them around to the different locations they get familiar with the mechanical systems of the buildings um the layout uh so it does assist in with the fire department the police department and same thing for our
15:27Management Department we want them to know the total uh resident population not just families not just elderly not just disabled and uh the layout and the locations of our buildings so I think no matter what profession you're in or what you're doing when you do multiple things it makes you more rounded in in that in your particular position versus just doing the same thing all the time in one location so
15:59but I think the corer question is there any violation of the agreement and there is not perfect that's what I was looking for I mean I understand that change of stuff we all go through that exactly um but there's no violation right it might make people uncomfortable and I understand that um but you're doing the best for the housing authority and I see that in some of the other percentages
16:22that you're doing so I trust in what you're doing um and and so I just want to make sure that there was nothing uh preventing that type of move that's all so I appreciate it thank you yeah you're welcome thank you anybody else okay thank you welcome next item is modernization a is the certificate of substantial completion for the coral space ventilation project at Sunset Hill I'll make a motion to approve second any
16:54questions hearing none all in favor hi hi item two miscellaneous a is the for of a Housing Authority 2024 2025 agency plan certifications it's a five-year annual plan um it will be executed by myself and the director um with certification by the state and local officials of the pha's plan consistency with the Consolidated plan executed by the mayor um for submission to HUD and eoh LC
17:29which as you know is formally dhcd um for fiscal year 2024 annual plan for the submission again for eoh LC which is dhcd do I have a motion to approve the agency plan motion to approve second any questions heing none all in favor I Item B is the open meeting l complaint which was filed by Patrick Higgins on 1211 on December 11th 2023 in reference to the November 13th 2023 regular board
18:09meeting um the recommended action here is to have our general councel renew the review rather the initial response requesting an extension for the board to meet beyond the statutory 14-day meeting requirement and also to review the AG's approval and and third to designate or we are designating The General Counsel to respond to this complaint so what we need here is um a motion to designate in
18:39addition to one and two um attorney Souza to respond for us I'll make a motion to review the actions and also designate The General Counsel to respond to the uh complaint second thank you any questions hearing none all in favor I item C is the independent audit service contract the recommended action here is to award a 2-year contract to mackom for independent auditing services and the
19:11AUP filing that's agreed upon procedures filing and the amount not to exceed 93,500 motion uh to award a two-year contract to uh Markham for uh not to exceed 93,500 second marur can you do a roll call on this one please commissioner madas yes commissioner Underhill yes commissioner Burns yes commissioner Bentley yes chairwoman Sahar abstain item item D is the Constable service contract it's for the period
19:52february1 2024 to January 31 2026 the recommended action is a 2-year plan or two-year contract to Steven P madus in the amount of
20:1129,000 so we got to get a motion to put it on the floor right and then we can ask questions yes I'll put a motion and put it on the floor thank you second thank you Mr McCoy can you give us a little bit of background or sure generally or do you do we want to start with a specific question or just general General response I I certainly wouldn't mind your your response uh sure
20:35citizens and put you know put a few questions forward and I you know whatever you have so what I can't I'm going to shift my hat to uh procurement officer so uh as was stated by um constable and firefighter uh dudy um it was advertised open publicly I had both vendors who chose to respond respond in my office sometimes we'll go in a boardroom or whatever so as you can imagine sometimes we have folks that
21:04where nobody shows up you know so but technically open publicly both gentlemen came uh submitted timely so again I would consider them responsive you know bid was signed things of that nature um I uh publicly report the load of them but say you know obviously I had don't award at this point the apparent low we had two bids 65,0 and20 9,29 being for the existing Constable which is also an
21:33important piece of this um Mr duddy's accurate over the course of I guess the last 15 years various uh companies and individuals have had it whether it be Mr madus Mr duddy there was a time I believe we had Mr orilla for years maybe others also so um uh I gave the documents over to General counsel and I said Mike you know you folks uh you and other members of the legal department are dealing with
22:03the current Constable he's the low you know take a look at what we have here um in response to some of the um uh accusations uh there is a uh currently a liability uh policy in place with the contract which is over at our facilities bill that's where I keep all the all the bound uh contracts physically uh we have an active W9 from the IRS the uh uh General councel and the CFO
22:37collaborated on that particular issue um we haven't I I didn't receive uh or have not received any complaints from internal employees as far as professionalism or any sort of aspect in what constables do in a variety of different services for for us um the one issue um that I guess would be lingering is apparently um General councel um believes that there may be a workers comp issue now I
23:14I admit just from a Layman's perspective for the life of me I'm not sure why a sole practitioner would have to get workers comp for himself I'm really not sure but um in looking at the best interest of the um of the authority um it would seem like that's something that could easily be cured by the time we get to February 1st just have the individual you know show him whatever might be in the general
23:42statutes or cmrs or whatever and say uh you have to secure workers comp additionally um and again sticking with that procurement uh officer hat um it would seem to me that the appropriate venue to challenge something like this while construction still has bid protest with the attorney general the ig's office no longer handles 30b protests internally they advise uh any aggrieved party whether sincerely or perceived to
24:16go to court um which venue that would be I can't speak to that whether it's district court or Superior Court um and I would just my instincts are telling me that even in a even in a court of law they may the ruling may not be go to the next bidder it may very well be rebid the whole thing you know so for us to um today just to throw out the low what
24:43appears to be IR responsive and responsible and I'm going by the feedback I'm getting from the legal department to throw that out and then to award the next bidder I don't necessarily think would be the proper procedure and the proper man to handle this um now moving to the deputy director side of me and again not being a practicing attorney but um again I would think it would be it
25:15would be incumbent on the party who feels AG grieved to challenge it and I don't see how we're um violating any public trust uh and again acting in good faith and what's in the best interest of the fall of a housing authority to again to ensure in fact that a sole proprietor does need work as comp and allow that sole proprietor to obtain the workers comp I don't think is putting any undue
25:41burden or or stress on anybody and for some reason you know that low bidder at that point says I don't think that's right this and that whatever and and it's inv violation of a rig then we internally would move on on uh doing you know something else at that point but I don't see how we're we're not acting in good faith by awarding this tonight subsequent to Michael you know ensuring
26:09that the work as comp is in fact valid and moving on from there because again I don't I also again in the deputy director role here um I also I to me it would seem like the low who's had a relationship with the legal department and the legal department had no objection with this 2-year award again would also have potentially an action against this board for not awarding him um where he has dutifully and and in
26:45good faith responded to our public uh solicitation so that's kind of my general thoughts coming from both sides of the matter um I don't know if I can ENT attain anything more specific than that but my recommendation is to award the 2-year contract um if I could ask a question uh so if I if I'm understanding this correctly uh based on the comments from uh Mr duddy earlier workman's comp is
27:16that the only concern that we're have to worry about we have the W9 IRS filing that's in good standing uh CFO and Michael collaborated on that and and uh my um purchasing agent over at um uh 2011 Eddy Street confirmed to Michael that we have an active insurance policy we have an active general liability insurance policy that goes through March of 2024 and an active um automobile insurance policy she couldn't find the
27:45workers compensation um policy yet so I don't know and again we weren't even aware that a so practitioner would be required to have the workers comp so again if if in fact um if I could I'm not trying to speak for Michael but if Michael gets to that determination again I don't see how we're doing anything nefarious if the individual's got liability insurance and auto insurance also now goes to their
28:16agent and seeks workers comp insurance where we would be doing anything untaught or out of sorts or just unfair or in violation of of public bidding again the proper venue would be more of again a a court of law because as I said the ig's office doesn't even deal with bit protest internally anymore the AG would do uh any sort of a bid protest regarding construction you have to file like a $200 fee and it goes
28:45through the attorneys there you know but again that would be for building a road construction and not a 30b supplier service contract where this is a non-cr construction service contract excuse me I'm losing my voice a little how are yall where all documents that were required to be submitted with bids submitted with bids yeah so the workman's comp policy was the workman's comp one of the items
29:15that were was required work we I don't I don't even believe we were aware that a so work as comp if you have if you have employees work as comp as required but this is uh allegedly a sole practitioner so we didn't realize that we would have needed workers comp so if we do need it I have to get that from him uh for the contract that commences February 1 and
29:36the other thing that I would credit uh Constable dudy with would be the fact that he went through I gave him part of he this was a public part of a public information request and I gave him uh with um with the finance director we went through all the uh invoices last week and I scanned everything and set them over to him we found four discrepancies uh which concerned me uh
29:56because they there were there were when you do an individual service you're also supposed to do a mailing and he was mailing three notices in one that's not correct we he's right we could we could suffer consequences for that and I'll make sure that I discuss that with the Constable but other than that um he has supplyed everything aside from what I know about the work is conf you know if I may say too that the
30:19um you know granted your logic construction bids I mean a lot of times you're getting your bonding and whatnot you know often times at the time of the bid I mean there are times where you have a non-construction service where you know if you don't get insurance documentation you don't get a ward but you can if you have eight or nine bid is on supply stuff or or whatever I mean
30:41typically you're only going back to the yeah typically you're going back to the low bidder that you're going to reward and there's I mean there there's obviously you just don't execute the contract if you don't get the liability policy you know um can I'm sorry go ahead Mi Mr duddy mentioned that he was waiting for one more thing to come in and 10 days is up tomorrow well he's waiting for the
31:05workers comp general liability and the automobile insurance as well City comp to state law I I know that there was there was also submitted a city of Fall River Constable certificate you know with from City Hall signed by the current mayor so it's kind of like almost looks like a ceremonial type thing but it looks like you know please I clarify can you come back up to the table please thank
31:38you was this in regard to the chapter 41 section 6 okay I believe there's a that was sent to everyone's P emails earlier today so as general law 41 95 a pay 25 % of a base service Fe back to the city or town that you're appointed in so in this case it would apply to four statute requires $5 for every summary process be paid back to the city of fora quarterly they have the right
32:11off I think it's $300 to go to October 15 I submitted a request of the city to see if these payments have been made I haven't received it yet they have until tomorrow Clos a business to supply using calculations for the last 11 months um in that that was emailed there a breakdown of what he would owe it's uh $955 just for the summary process and the supplementary processes the reason
32:36why I bring that up is by law was required to do it if not they could suspend his license and which is another reason why the red flag was raised because also submitted is a breakdown of the bid sheet minus what's required by Statute the pay this gentleman will be doing services in the negative he would physically be serving the paper for the housing author for a negative3 every time he goes off that
33:00door again being the president of that Corporation for 15 years I know what it means to bid on the project and this is not sustainable the way it is now and the way even now if he's complying with the state law even now he's serving stuff at a negative Mr dudy what what department do you deal with when you um when you when you uh what department is he supposed to
33:23be the 955 uh you send a check right to the clerk's office and they fall into I need to go thank you sure uh just to to clarify Madam chair it um as identified by deputy director McCoy uh Mr dudy is a firefighter I'm a firefighter is there any conflict with me uh being involved in this discussion or having questions or anything like that I'm not benefiting from this contract so I'm wondering if
33:54there's any conflict of interest I would say no but attorney Souza I would say no I you clarify that too for you uh Mr F Superior Court lawsuit I'm sure you're aware to protest a bid that i w a few years ago it's not patri buy that's bidding on this it's Bristol County Civil process saying the judge ruled in my favor as well as attorney Susan no so this has nothing to do with
34:19Patrick Dy I'm just the president SP person which is fine so then I just wanted to jump in on a few questions that's all please um as uh director McCoy noted um you know it's not appropriate to rebid or award it to the next slowest bitter I I I don't think anybody suggested that right um so so that that that wasn't an accurate comment um I don't know the laws like
34:46like like attorney soua or or Constable duddy I don't I don't know that stuff so I'm I'm I would bring forth to you that I think it's inappropriate to ward in a bid and say by the way please show us what you're supposed to do anyway I I would prefer that you bring that forward if if this gentleman's bid is lowest and he has all the requisite um you know uh
35:13certificates it's his bid he's got it that's what we do it's the lowest bid it's government um I find it inappropriate to suggest that I'm going to bid it and then wait for requirements and what I don't know is requirements right that's not my world that's not that that's not what I so um unless somebody has different information than than what was presented on as far as requirements I couldn't vote for
35:40awarding it now and getting documents later that's all you know what I mean I don't I don't mind awarding the bid he's the low bid we've historically done it I've done it for seven years but if he's not meeting his requirements then I don't want to be on the hook for anything where someone's not meeting their requirements and and and I would so long story short I would ask to table
36:03it until we clarify information that's all and if he and if he has all the requisite information uh and he's the lowest bid we're going to look at constable dudy and say thank you for for your bid but we're moving on you know that's how it works could I clarify something but just in response to I I I wasn't insinuating and if if it came across that way I apologize that anybody
36:25on the board suggested to offer it to the next bidder and if it if it came across that way I apologize to go apies needed there's a lot of people listening so I just wanted to make sure3 more I apologize I thought in citizens inut Mr duddy was suggesting throw out the first one and give it to me I didn't I didn't hear a suggestion of table it or rebid it so that's the
36:52impression I was that was the impression I was under I thought you were asking for the award I actually have a point it's all right with the board as far as work Comm this individuals billing your own Housing Authority the name Minute Man process Serv this is a company this is not an individual individual does not need work in his comp an individual is a company even has 1099 employees if not one of
37:18those 1099 employees has work in his comp he's required the Housing Authority requires individual from your bid of be available Monday through Friday from 9: to 5: to respond within one hour I can tell you the number of years that I've owned this business and had this contract as well as being a state vendor it's physically impossible to be somewhere Monday through Friday from 9: to 5: with 1 hour notice we all hire
37:44whether it's 1099 employees from my state work or employees directly from my Corporation to fulfill our needs for contracts I find it hard to believe that this individual has made every one of these service and to be quite Frank with you after looking at the returns today in court it's clear that he's fabricating the returns so if he's saying he's making every service God bless him but I can
38:08tell you my experience in the last 15 years it's not practical that's where I'm talking about working his comp he's building you as a business whether or not he's got a W9 that's fine but if he has a W9 and he bid for Stephen P mcis he needs to be getting invo you need to get an invoice from stepen p there some cutting checks to that not whoever this minman process
38:30service is who's not registered with the Secretary of State I don't know if that helps clarify why I'm asking for work we do have that name on the W9 yes a minut so that's why the CFO cuts the check the does process server right Steven signs individually so that would be no well you would sign for Bristol County process too because it's always my pet it shows me signed Patrick dudy Bristol
39:00County Civil process president I'm asking M press server who is that that is Steven madus according to the W9 okay is it a corporation or an LLC that I couldn't tell you sir did he or did he not sign his bid proposal as stepen P M's he signs as yeah and we always have an individual signature on a bid on a bid form on behalf of does anywhere on his bit Cur bid process
39:29or this one just now say Minute Man process service I'd have to look at the form again at the bot I'm not sure if he put it with his address at the bottom where we have you put the address I know his signature though St I'd like to make a motion that we table this good idea second third do I have a second thank you um all in favor to table this I I
39:54thank you sir thank you so to clarify as we go forward I'm to clarify as we go forward instead of just uh tabling what are we looking for from what I gather is it true that the bidder the lowest bidder is required to have that workman's comp is so is that what we're looking for the coverage that they have had and I I I would I would uh also suest that he's been ours for a little
40:28bit right a couple years he is so did he have that coverage did he have that coverage no no no I'm I'm not asking that answer right now I'm saying before next meeting that's something I would want to know if he's done it the right way then this conversation's over right if he hasn't then I also think this conversation is over so either way it clarifies my my decision I I think too
40:49um Mike is if we can clarify what type of business he is and operating under because he could still b a schedule C with a name of a company called Minute Man processor yet b a schedual c and not be a corporation or an LLC so it would be helpful to know what kind of entity he really is because we're awarding this contract to him personally not to men a man correct anybody
41:21else okay next item on the agenda is the election of the office for calendar year 2024 looking for a motion right yeah I make a motion for um Mary Sahar as chair I second was that Dave I'm sorry that second commissioner Birds yes commissioner Underhill yes commissioner mes yes commissioner Bentley yes sah yes vice president vice chair I'll make a motion for uh David Underhill second commissioner burs yes
42:02commissioner Bley yes Comm mes yes uh chah yes and last Underhill yes yes sorry okay and then the last position is the treasurer yes I make a motion with Jason Burns second commissioner Underhill yes commissioner mes yes commissioner Bentley yes commissioner my head Burns sorry burs Jason Burns burs I'm so sorry my head is just yes and show yes thank you thank you everyone for the
42:45support okay um that's the last item on the agenda do we have anything else coming before us do I have a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second thank you thank you everyone thank you