10.25.2023 Redevelopment Authority

welcome to the um Wednesday OCT 25th 2023 meeting of the Fall River Redevelopment Authority um recording of the Open Session can be viewed at Fall River government television ww. frr gv.

us um personent to the open law meeting uh any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recording or transmission are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible first thing is a roll call um will note that Joan mados is uh

participating remotely on Zoom also participating our Sarah paage John coflin legal councel Kenny Fiola administrative Service uh services consultant Karen Martin project coordinator and executive assistant can we just do a a mic test to make sure that uh Joan can hear us okay can you hear me okay Joan I can thank you Sarah great you can hear me yes good she couldn't hear a few people can you hear me

Joan yeah and I couldn't hear Karen last time either yeah but we tested and I'm good right perfect yes I can hear everyone Crystal Clear thank you good um roll call uh roll call yeah sorry John Erikson here Ron R ke here Joan madas here uh first item approval of the Open session meeting minutes from September 27th uh any comments on those minutes guys nope if not roll call to approve

Erikson yes LC yes Ron R yes Dan Keane yes Joan madas yes okay um the warrant uh you guys have the warrant the total is 12859 17 um any questions on the on those dispersements no uh I need a motion to approve that warrant motion to approve warrant at 1285 $128,500 N17 second second John Ericson yes leis Gonzo yes Ron Rin yes an Kean yes Joan madas yes John should we go back to the

the first uh approval of the minutes we we just went right into a vote we didn't say oh I'm sorry I didn't even pick up on that we didn't do a motion to accept and we didn't do a second we just went right to vote back and do it yeah so we want to do the minutes again I think yeah are there any questions on the minutes I think there was none and I

need a motion to approve those minutes motion to move forward the minutes as presented second second Ericson yes lcos yes Ron ran yes an Keen yes Joan madas yes than you're welcome all right next item is Administrative updates um who wants to do that I can um I just wanted to remind everyone that our November and December meetings are of the normal schedule due to the holidays so our November meeting is

November 14th which is a Tuesday and then our December meeting is December 12th which is also a Tuesday also included is the new meetings right I sent out a list to everyone of proposed board meeting dates and these follow the typical um standard of the fourth Wednesday of the month um except for November and December again there um earlier due to the holidays I you know if anybody had any major

objections to any of these dates right off the GetGo in I can't do the April one but the April one okay um do we I think April are you out that whole week or how much um I'm out the week before and through that day okay um that's Marathon week isn't it the week before is 15th the 15th week before is the 15th is April 15th yep do we want to change that date

to accommodate and go to we have to go into then you're getting into almost May then yeah and you're already yeah because that's the LA that's the last Wednesday in April we could switch to April 30th Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday a good with me I mean it's fine too if I have to miss it when school vcation is that ail it's the 15th the week of the 15th we of the 15 so change April April 30th

2022 is that a that's a Tuesday so it mixes people up when we move to Tuesdays but we end up having to move to Tuesdays because usually the wedes the Wednesday before is booked or you know like the Wednesday before right but often Wednesdays are already booked we just look at well if we if if we can if we can all do it it's okay if we I me it's okay if we sh so maybe just

leave it I will leave it yeah that's fine I I just I know I have a I won't be here so everyone else's we will miss you all right then I will um confirm that with the clerk for the reserving the room and I will know ACC okay uh City Pier supplemental drainage Karen's gonna um fill us in on that um the only real update I have in the supplemental drain the work is done

he did go out and do the um engineer did go out inspect to the um installation he had some uh a couple areas where he wanted some more fun minor grading and um the crew went out and they they redid that so it's 100% complete now and um it does seem to have it has definitely um doing what it's intended to do so that is good and um his final

payment was part of the warrant for this month so that was really all I had on that and the docks the docks we were substantially complete as of October 10th um there is a punch list that has a few items on it and the two big triggers they want to come out and just finish everything at once are the pile caps and the lock mechanism at that gate the um I

was hoping today to get a definitive answer from um uh Coastal as to when those pile caps are coming but when I talked to him on Monday he said they would be imminently in he was hoping by the end of this week he didn't have a firm date yet so I'm hoping between the end of this week and next week the pile caps will come in he'll be able to get

that lock mechanism and then um he'll be able to get out there and finish off all the work and um so then we can take the um comfort castle and the fence out of there the Comfort Castle has been used by the guys doing the pass evasion so they've appreciated that it's there so right it sounds like they'll be done before the potentially yeah potentially where are they on payments have they

been paid already or not yet who Coastal yes uh no they're um they requisition they did not requisition anything for this month he's just going to do a final requisition once everything's in for the final work and is retainage and everything so hopefully by the November meeting it'll be 100% complete requisition have you guys seen them the the Ducks seen the photograph really they look really nice yeah they do they

look super yeah very nice a Quality quality product right there um and um Sarah did you want to talk about steuart Dean sure so steuart Dean at the last meeting we weren't sure if the entire project was um going to be completed and the good news is that the passivation is going to um complete the whole Pier uh needs so it will all look good by the end of next week so it's

great yeah Karen Karen's seen it I think you but it looks beautiful like what they done they had when I was there they had the whole uh South section done and they were going around the armpit to the North and it looks it looks beautiful it looks brand new again so it's nice to see that yes it looks great um the seport council Grant did you want to talk anything about that I do so we are

applying for a seport council Grant uh it's due next Wednesday the city um grant writer Jasmine has been working with us on it and I just want to describe what we're applying for and that and ask you a few questions so we're applying to put in moing fields between the cove and and City Pier uh next to City Pier where the docks are the Northern side and we're including design of moing fields up where the um

City's boat ramp is near Commonwealth landing and that land is owned by the state so there will probably be a collaboration to some extent with the state so one of the questions that remains is when we add all of these Moorings we're going to need a a little dock for the rowboats and dingies from the um the boats that are moing to be able to um bring their um equipment onto

uh their boat and go back and forth in a rowboat and so we um we aren't sure exactly where how many of those will'll need where they'll go so that's something that we will be exploring this is a planning Grant I should have said that this isn't a construction Grant this is um you can go to Seaport for planning grants which we haven't done before I've talked with Ellen Sabula um and we can apply for a

grant that that helps us test out Alternatives you know do we want docks here docks there you know we'll we'll get a lot of Alternatives and make decisions and then proceed with planning design and whatever permitting needs to be done and we're hoping there won't be too much permitting but uh we have a lot of design and planning work to go to quite finalize that so um what I'm hoping uh we can do tonight is agree

that uh the Redevelopment Authority would be willing to provide matching funds not to exceed 60,000 and the other piece of information about this is that um fa engineering had already done work uh in this area they've done some soundings or bimetric testing to see what is underwater and what the depth of the water is so um so we already had an open contract with them that I didn't

even know it had been done under Maria and uh they hadn't finished all their work so they happily came out to look at this with us and we're having them uh over the next few days help us put a plan into our proposal and just clarify some of the concepts and language because um It's Complicated what exactly we're trying to do the other thing that um we're doing is the peninsula so the

peninsula uh next to City pair is land we own and it's really overgrown with invasive species so the plan is to remove those um invasive species plant native plants have a walkway that goes to the end of the peninsula and have an area where people can fish because nobody's allowing them to fish along the Waterfront and they're fishing because they need a place to fish so uh so this

would allow them to have a fishing spot uh it would be another Recreation spot it would you know it's really kind of unsightly right now with an old fence and it would be really great to open it up and have it be a space where people can walk and enjoy a more natural environment than the really landscaped environment of City Pier so one of the issues there is that there were

revetments and The Rock has kind of Fallen at down and there there is some rip wrap left but there is erosion occurring and these grants um really prefer that you're addressing climate change and so we're going to be able to say that this um this sh shorefront is um in a state where it's eroding and we'll be really um securing that and um that will will um be important environmentally is that the same grant

for both of them yeah so all of that is in the same Grant which is um when I talked with Ellen the head of the seport council she said typically people put Mings into a separate Grant but that it was fine they were all in the same Grant when you think out the planning part there may be we may be able to proceed with the warnings more quickly than we can

proceed with the rest of the work so she suggested that after we do all this planning we may then want to separate our proposals into a moing proposal and the rest of the work but we have a ways to go on that the other um suggestion we received recently is that there's money uh State money aail able for fishing facilities and so we might be able to get go for some uh implementation funds

related to the fishing aspects of this project so we have a long way to go to figure this all out but I'm glad that we'll be putting a proposal in sir I was just thinking out loud but the the The Moorings that you were talking about were on the south side right well they're South north near near the peninsula and near our duck oh so the dingy Ducks would be on the North side

we don't know where the dingy dock will go but how would you get to them on the South Side well you know people um can go in their Ro boats around um CD Pier um they could use the the robo duck that is down um near the battleships there's a whole moing field there and there's a little dock down there so they could go around the cove and go to that or they

could go around City Pier and go to whatever dock we create and then there's a question you know could the dock that's already by the um the boat ramp could that be expanded to be a dingy dock there are just lots of questions that we need to resolve okay yeah maybe that that makes sense if we're going to spend 60,000 they matching 60,000 does that automatically

say we have to do it it's a is it a 50% match 20% no it's 20% but now we're beginning to talk about a proposal is as high as 300,000 oh that's why the 60 came from 300,000 it's not 50 we originally thought we were applying for 100,000 but now we're talking about more complexity more pieces and Ellen said that for a proposal that includes planning design uh permitting a typical proposal is around 200 to

300,000 and so I would much rather apply for more and be able to say we didn't need it all then um apply for not enough because then we'll feel like we have to feel you know that we'll we'll feel like we need to put more in so the other possibility with the match is that you can consider a mat consider the match money that you've spent for something like the docks if we

put in more money than uh than was uh given to us by Seaport and by other state funds we could say that um that you know 20,000 that we put into the docs should cover part of our match we haven't done that before but you can she said you know she reminded me of that you can also uh look at in kind Services toward the match so we're going to have you

know I don't know if they prefer to see you create give a match of new dollars I would think they would but but um so the maximum that we would put in is 60,000 right the two questions I have is if we do let's say we decide to do that and they give us a $240,000 grant we give 60,000 does that mean we have to do that project because what the project end is

being I'll just use a wild number $2 million and we can't come with $2 million to do it would we have to pay back to 240 no no no okay no you can do the planning and design and we can do some piece of it or we can decide we can't do it she assumes that we'll go back to the seaport Council and ask for another Grant the grants are up to a million

dollars so you know we could then break the project into separate pieces or look for money from other places but no we would never have to return it and the the last question is with the the other Pier as you mentioned were they going to have the fish in has that been tested for pcbs or anything where we'd be so so it's clean yes okay all right I just don't want to get into a project where

we start doing some you know work and then we said okay now we got another $2 million project ahead of us so okay I'm good I'm going to confirm that with beta but I have asked that question and been told that there were no even even if you don't test it you're not digging into the soil so there's not an issue there if people going to go fishing there would be no problem for them to walk

over it okay I know when when it when we talked about it a couple of years ago my understanding was that there wasn't any issues okay K doesn't that have a doesn't that like have a name that little jut I don't think so I thought on one of the drawings it had a specific name like no no I'm not sure so we'll just call it the what you call it the northern Peninsula

Peninsula yeah but just a point of clarification we are unless I'm misinterpreting this we are not going to be in the moing business right right all we're doing is establishing moing Fields so that the city can come forward and and put those out and you know just like they do you know so there'll be more Moorings available along the Waterfront and those will be under the control of the Harbor

Master in the city not the Redevelopment Authority the dingy dock is a question as to where it's going to be located I just confirmed that the dingy dock Battleship Cove is actually owned by the city so there's a possibility that that could be expanded there and then it's not really for if you got a little dingy driving over to the city P it's not a big deal um so I think this just as

Sarah was indicating this just gives a you know more utilization of that land that's currently fenced off that should be opened up for for utilization you know so uh and there is an existing and we we know there's some discussion about this but there is an existing chapter 91 license already in effect for for that portion of the property so hopefully whatever improvements we do do there will be

considered maintenance or minor improvements which would not facilitate additional chapter 91 regulation review or expense um do we need to do anything more on that now Sarah no uh well yes you need to vote do you want to do that okay yep uh so then so I need a motion to to um proceed with applying for The seport Economic Council grant for further Improvement to the 600 excuse me 600 toal Street property

and the addition of moing fields is outlined by Sarah just now providing 20% matching funds that will not exceed 60,000 so moved second second John eron yes L condo yes Ron Ren yes and ke yes thank you m yes thank you everybody um Karen did you want to talk about the water uh meter uh yeah I just had a couple of maintenance issues um so we did have um that the the damage in the center

section of the pier and then we also had another incident where um a driver was coming down to Ball Street and he took an immediate right through the boardwalk fence onto our property at the South corner and he um look like he had a good time before he got there um but he um did some damage with some Tire Treads and um I had Tim look at it uh the landscape Tim D Silva and we're just

going to probably tackle that in the spring just because it's redded but we're going to need to have seed in irrigation and it's kind of too late in the season for that right now so it doesn't look horrible and then DCM on uh DCF owns the um the timber railing along Ong Deval Street and they cleaned up the edge of it a little bit and um so they'll they'll probably do more stuff

with that too as the season goes on DW White's now doing a lot of work in that corner for their um I think they're doing CSO work over there so um they've kind of rerooted I don't know if anyone's been over there this week they've done a temporary kind of traffic flow rout in front of City Pier which seems to be working well um but um so there was some damage over there but

we'll we'll be dealing with that in the spring um and I did file a police report on that other damage and I don't know where it sits right now but they had not found any personis matching the car or the their description so um so we need to get the approval of that invo for toal the Landscaping so um which one is that a 22 yeah okay that's that's okay that's

not on the the warrant yet though no no that's why we need to get it approved it's not in the warrant yeah okay so um do we so we need a motion to approve the invoice are we going to do that with the the silver with the snow plowing or separ that be separ that's separate separ so then uh so I just need a a motion to approve the is it 2500 2275

2275 okay I got different numbers um for the um the repair mentioned uh by Karen so move to pay the Civil Landscaping construction 2275 for the damage that was none at the state Pi second state yes LC yes Ron R yes Keen yes go madus yes okay awesome um and then I have to talk about the the security yeah security thing so um is followup to our last meeting um I did meet with our um

um security uh the guy suppli cameras out at the City Pier he can provide us um an alarm in the water meter enclosure in case we do ever have another leak and it what it does is it detects water and then it will send a signal either text and or email or one or the other depending what we determine and it literally is it's it'll sit just under that um backflow preventor and if water

drips on it or it gets wet that's when the signal will send it will trip that signal and um and I think it would be a worthwhile Endeavor because we lost a lot of water um coming out of that last leak and it's short money to install it and um I do think in the long run it will be worth it and I haven't got the water bill yet but I'm quite sure it's

not going to be a cheap one so remember we were looking at that the other day would there be any wisdom to doing that separate um SP it you know that separate remember we were talking about yeah I talked to Sarah about that that's something we probably bring up on the spring it wouldn't be worth trying to do that now with it now no it would not be worth trying to do it

now um because we got to get the water off and everything with the irrigation systems so that would be a spring startup thing okay so in regards to what we just talked about then we need and then there's one other component to that oh there is yeah the other thing that um we talked about and he included in the proposal is um uh an alarm at the the gate going down onto

the docks so that when it's closed at night if anybody was really fussing with that gate or trying to jam that lock or do anything to that lock and a larm them can go out to Again by either text or email um it would probably go to the harbor master um and it would alarm that something's going on it's City Pi we do have the cameras so then you could just

check the cameras to see what's going on but that may be a worthwhile thing too the proposal for both of those alarms is $1,900 um dollar the only thing that I was thinking is it might not be worth putting the water alarm in right now just because we're getting ready to close the system down once the passivation work stops and we'll be pulling the water meter so we if we wait

and put it in say just as we start everything up in the spring Scott said it might just be a difference of um $100 to $200 so um that's why I just um add asked that when we think about approving it we just say that it doesn't exceed 2500 so we could do the the gate thing now to get us through the winter and then wait till the spring when we start

all the water stuff back up and then put that um alarm in then okay so so are you done with that yes that's so then I just need a motion to approve to Total Security not to exceed 2500 so 19988 is for both systems you're talking about it's for right now if you used to install them both right right now and do it now and like purchase it now and put

it in now and everything the um the gate one I think we should do now as opposed to later but I think the water one it's we could do it now but then it's just going to sit in the winter and do nothing I would think that once we um open it up in the in the spring would be a good time to go in and do that and get

it done then and he said it's just he says he can't control what the price is going to be then but he can't imagine being any more than like another 100 bucks or so to get the unit so but his labor will stay the same so 9 is for both systems though so it's not a separate bill next year Well if we if we end up separating the two yeah I'd pay

for one the gate one now which will be a certain portion of that and then the um the water meter one in the spring so it's not a big deal but if he's worried about the price of the equipment going up just by I mean we could just say order it all now and then hold off hold it for the winter until it's ready yeah we can definitely do that which is

probably what I would do but um so I take it from them probably but um not a big piece right no no no it's just a little bit of a sits on a little pedestal and it's like a indicator circle is that well yes yeah that's I don't recognize the company so did I get a second no he a second he didn't motion yet we need a motion kind of it's kind of you want to

say it again no I I didn't do a motion at all I have like questions yeah you want to um reord that motion and then we'll just do that one I'm just not sure how we want to word this so I I agree that we have 1909 88 but we're holding off for half the work to be done in Spring and maybe do some of it now yeah and then how much are we going to be

paying out of this for now and then then or does that not matter it's just not too that doesn't matter I had just I had just said not to the total would not exceed $2,500 for the whole thing yeah for the whole thing just in case there's a change in the but if I buy so so if so he was going to keep his labor price the same so what I would do is

just you could figure probably I don't know you could figure three quarters of it now and a quarter of it in the spring because if he's going to buy all the equipment okay and that would just hold on to the equipment just to make sure yeah I mean he'll install the gate alarm now though motion to accept the uh proposal from Total Security Technologies for the two alarm systems

down at CIA not to be over 2500 some of it to be installed now some of them will be installed in the spring yes second yes L gonz yes Ron R yes Dan Keane yes Jo madas yes thank you um snow removal yes so I sent out a request for snow removal for City perer to four contractors we got two prices back and and um the silver once again he um he

submitted the um the best and most qualified price in fact he didn't even change his pricing from last year he um he um kept it to the same unit prices and so um I want to execute or request that we can do a unit price um contract to them based on their unit prices cuz who knows what mother nature is going to deal with us this winter if you look online there's like a 50% chance that

temperature is going to be higher than normal there's 30% chance it's going to be wetter than normal and it's all like a crapshoot really so um uh if you know if you just do I would I would assume that depending on how Mother Nature is going to dish it out that we're going to probably end up spending somewhere between 10 and $15,000 in um snow removal and deing out of the city Paar

based on right yeah it's based on inches and he verifies everything with weather works and he also does this some software that he has that he tracks um the snow and ice if it's going to be black ice or refreeze it's called Vera freeze so he's on top of it with that and um the the little that we needed him last year he did do um a good job with

it um and uh he's kept his prices and the other the next closest price was roughly 10% more than what his prices are so how does how does he remove the snow is it by a snow blow or is it by a plow he's got a plow he's got a sidewalk plow um thing that he uses and he tosses everything to the middle the only thing that we would have to talk about is if

we got an exceptional amount of snow and we thought there was ever a time that we had to haul snow off site then we would have to talk to them about um Trucking costs so but hopefully we won't have to go down that yeah so I so I just need a motion to just just one last question so is there a certain blade he uses a concrete blade this is a poly it's the

one that he has is um I think it's polypropylene okay and um and it's meant to be like on sidewalk with Expansion Joints and everything so yeah um yeah so I just need a um a motion um to um enter into agreement with the silver Landscaping provide snow removal and deicing at City Pier for 2023 24 winter season at the um unit prices given to Karen so moved second second Erikson yes Lis

Gonzo yes Ron rusen yes Keane yes Jo madas yes thank you that's all hope Mother Nature's kind let's hope the city plows the rest of the boardwalk um with what no cuz does the boardwalk goes from vant Memorial Park all the way to Heritage the park Heritage they Park always plows theirs but there sometimes is that area between Veterans Memorial Park in the City Pier that's unplowed who does the

sidewalk on a City Pier does see do that so it's both the interior and the exterior of the pier like that sidewalking oh the one that's right on Deval Street you're talking about the one that goes off the off the boardwalk and it goes by the gate to the you know he so the one when he plowed last year he didn't end up doing um down into yes yeah so he takes care of that CU he

pushes he he uses it to push a lot of his snow that way he pushed a bunch from I think um instead of pushing it onto the street CU when he came around the corner he pushed over that way yeah but there's that sidewalk that goes runs down by with the docks you talking about yeah it runs across it runs south or south over to point Gloria over to point

glor he he doesn't do that whole strip no oh he should that's Outland I know but DCM usually can't it does all the the Mowing and everything over there too but they do but the question is do they do that snow plowing I'll find out yeah yeah we could just confirm it with them I guess I walked I walked out I walked out in the winter and I can tell you done it's not done

yeah it's good point yeah sir shouldn't affect the unit price it's just more yeah just a bigger geographic area right Mak sure it's done yes so um you knew that we were putting out an RFP for master planners and we got uh four proposals they all were very good and we um narrowed them down to three that we're going to interview and we've set up interviews um three are set up

for the week of the 6th and or two are set up and we're still trying to set up the third all of these teams want to bring numerous team members and all of them have some internal staff that will work on the project and some uh subcontractors that have certain Specialties so um Karen's been uh challenged to get everybody organized um Johnny's going to represent the board in our committee and

um or not committee our little Advisory Group that we've put together Dan agar the city engineer is going to um is going to attend the U the interviews with us and uh we will be bringing a proposal back to the board meeting assuming everything goes as planned on November 14th so it's John Danny AGA Sarah and Karen and Ken and Ken okay y not John okay and um I'm really happy at the

quality of the firms that responded so that's really great were they in a budget within budget oh we haven't opened the um the price proposals yet we don't open them until we've evaluated them all so um that's by purchasing guidelines so so uh they're in envelopes with our purchasing department and once we have identified one or two that we really want to hire then we'll open the

envelopes and see and it's very possible that they'll be over what we had hoped because one of them that looks very good is very very comprehensive is that allowable we can go with not the lowest bidder okay yeah it's by very careful evaluation criteria so we got questions about those we answered a number of questions that they asked in this very formal way where they asked them and then we write and send it

answers to all of them and so they had a question about our evaluation criteria so John worked with me to make a change in it so it was clearer and um so we have uh several criteria I a spreadsheet and we're you know evaluating them carefully so if we open up the envelopes and they were four times higher the two we selected could we go back to the other ones will we allowed to go back to

the other ones or you could but if we want the very best master plan we can get for the city we need to think about we we have to evaluate all four yeah so there's you rank them rank them rank them oh so rank four and open price of four I thought you just said open prices are two once you pick them up we down to three evaluting well we did evaluate the

fourth yeah so we've evaluated all four but now we're going a further step and um interviewing them which may change our evaluation and then um right there'll be um each uh given a um ranking a score a score and um uh and then we'll open the price proposals and then we'll come to you and tell you what what we recommend and what we see so you give us recommendations of the numbers of all

the contractors and then the prices of all the contractors yep okay I thought you just going to only do two open up two envelopes and not worry about the other two envelopes I love to hear the other all right okay sorry that was confusing okay Pleasant Street yes so on Pleasant Street right now we're really focusing on further public engagement and we have a public meeting set up for November 16th that the mayor

has committed to attend it's at cell Apartments which is a Housing Authority apartment complex on Pleasant Street um we're going to serve some food and we're um putting out lots of um questionnaires so we have a survey that's going out where we're uh Distributing the survey and it includes an invitation to um this public meeting and the survey is being translated into Cambodian Spanish Portuguese and we'll

be in English and we have a QR code on it so um we will print them in different languages but we think that people will be able to go on the QR code and do it in their language and we're saying that your name will go into a drawing for uh gift certificates if you come to the public meeting and if you send in your um your survey uh we've gotten Pizza time which

is a um pizza parlor in kind of the middle of our Target area on Pleasant Street and uh the owner is part of our committee and so they've agreed to let us put a box there with a sign so people if they want to fill out a paper survey and we haven't collected it at one of our uh places where we have a table and will actually be in person then they can

put it there at Pizza Time and so so the other thing that we've done is um it's a huge amount of work to do the amount of Outreach that our committee agreed with us we should do and one thing we really want to do is go to The Loft buildings on Alden Street and understand where all those kind of younger group of people who live there where are they going would they go to

pleas do they go to Pleasant Street would they go to Pleasant Street so we have a number of questions and we've asked Elena pavid who was the um the pr person in the mayor's office for three years she left and um is doing independent Consulting and is wonderfully um agreeing to work affordably and we would be able to have her work as a consultant for us to take the um the Loft buildings on Alden

Street and use the strategy she's used before where she would um go and be there and offer coffee and uh do um surveying in the evening and um she's going to do our social media and so we're entering into a small contract with her to have her help us with that uh targeted social media and some of these pieces of the Outreach that we think she'd be especially good at she also is incredibly helpful because she's

done this work in the mayor's office for years and knows everybody and has told us who to call for various pieces of the Outreach but that's not contain in the Consultants contract that Outreach no we have to do it all there's no Outreach public information Outreach public he meetings information Outreach and a consultant contract she um she's almost build her whole contract and it always assumed

that she would come to the meetings and that she would develop the materials but we're expected to do all of the you know going out to Housing Development and you know at our last meeting we really expanded the level of Outreach that we're trying to do and so uh Karen and I can't do it within the time frame without some assistance and it isn't covered in the contract and we'll run into the same

thing with the master planners you know they'll do they'll do the materials they'll come to the sessions but we're going to have to find the people in Fall River to really come to them there's okay I mean she isn't going to provide it I understand but okay I mean that's the problem when you have Consultants come from out of town they really aren't going to do the level of Outreach so what type of I

guess the question is do Outreach and and is significant Outreach right we're doing deep significant Outreach now that's that's the issue we're gonna go sit DSO huh DSO deep yeah I just you know it'll be interesting to see what the turnout is yeah right because well by by by by law and John correct me if I'm wrong on this you know there's issuance of notices there's issuance of this there's really no

statutory requirement as to the depth of the Outreach you're required to do well you were on the meeting that we had you know recently the last Wednesday night meeting I think no it was not that okay so the committee through out that we should get far more comprehensive surveying done to really cover many different facets of the neighborhood and we should have really serious efforts to get much broader

input so a lot of the work we're doing is surveying so Karen's going to go to the Health Center in the Flint and sit there with a table and try to get people to fill out the surveys and we're going to lots of different places but we also need to do the social media and Elena did it for us the last time we had a big public meeting because she was in the

mayor's office and um um she's really good at it and that was part of what we hired her to do and what does the survey consist of I can send it to you it's a number of questions about do you go to Pleasant Street if not why not uh there's a map of our Target area and it has some open-ended questions that say you know what is missing in this neighborhood

that you would like to see is that for the urban renewal plan or is that for the other aspect development for all of it but it's it is for the urban renewal plan and it uh should address the meepa you know it also will butress our argument with meepa that was really done significant Outreach but it's it's for both the urban renewal plan and the revitalization plan and it will certainly um be helpful and will show

our our um uh voting part you know when we when we submit our urban renewal plan we can show deep engagement is the finished dat and it's November 16th that's the last day of this so you're can do all this before November 16th and finale on November we still do Sur we can keep doing surveying after the 16th uh if we feel that we still haven't gotten enough and I would imagine people may fill their surveys

out and get them in after the 16th but our primary focus is the 16th so when's this special girl when is she starting she started already or yeah she started well we had a meeting with her and so she'll be working with us for three weeks three weeks okay so basically till November 16th almost yeah okay yep do any of you know her she's very she's very confident what was the C my

experience with her she's very um we're saying that um we would do a contract we think that it won't exceed 3,000 but we're wanting to um not exceed 5,000 if necessary okay she's no nowhere near the cost of the Consultants that we typically use does she get approval from you on anything she's doing the cost of it okay you need to vote on that yeah we need I need a motion to execute an

agreement with Elena not to exceed 5,000 for the above uh reference Services Consulting Services up to 5,000 is that what we saying not Lena or Linda El Elena Elena Elena so make a motion that we allow Elena to be our special what's the exact word for that called special um she's special consultant over on Pleasant Street up to a limit of 5,000 where she'll be doing social media and

some Outreach surveying y thank you second second yesc yes Ron Ron yes an ke yes Joan madas yes thank you next item is amendment to the Waterfront Earth so that went to uh let's see we took it to the planning board I think you knew that the planning board had approved it uh we took it to a city council meeting they referred it to finance so we took it to a second uh we

took it to the finance committee and then after that the city council voted unanimously um on the amendment and it's now been sent to uh Housing and Community um housing and livable communities hlc and uh they had gotten a uh draft of it so we hope that they'll approve it quickly and they've been informed throughout the process so uh we hope that that should be quick and that's the

gas company to the gas station what we talk about to theer including the gas station yeah okay and then for Commerce a drive um we had we have a party potentially interested I went out and showed them the property the other day and gave them a number of documents we have and um it may be too high a price for them and we think that we want to hire a realter to

help us Market it and I talked with John about it we'll need to put it out to RFP but we can put it out to RFP in a similar way to the master plan where it's based on uh our evalu evaluative criteria uh not on the commission that they well I mean that would be taken into account We'll be asking what percentage commission what other costs would they be charging so we'll be able

to compare different realtors who give us a proposal and we'll reach out to a number of them so would that be I thought the price was high being a realtor I looked at it and Ken disagreed with me he thought I didn't disagree I'm just being a realtor I can understand why you see it would be high but it's based upon comps yeah so and that's the comps may be skewed because of the the

land sales in the technology park or other land sales in that area the lands industrial lands expensive right now it just that with that how you get into it and what land you can actually use I don't know if that was taken into total consideration in that appraisal and that's the reason why it was supposedly that's why that's why you do the appraisal they're going to an appraisal

is based upon a fair market value based upon the land and its configuration so if we do hire a realtor is it also going to say what price do you think this is worth or we just going to go buy our account or buy our appraiser and start the price there well there are a couple of things we could do we could have it reappraised and see if someone else came

up with a different number uh we can have a realtor say well I would never Market it for more than x and go to uh the state and say you know we have a difference here and do we need to get it reappraised can you accept this argument for why it needs to be l so um that certainly will all come up when we start working with somebody is there still a sign up

there there is not a sign it was taken down but this person found us because they looked so intensely at the property they found that the sign had been slipped next to an electric box and they found Mark Brown sign called him he referred them to me so that really brings up the point that we've got to have a sign out there and we were thinking we would put a sign out to call

us but it may really make sense to have a commercial realtor really out there for us so so what happens if this party that contacted you wants to move forward is brown entitled to no he no he just kind of does this as a friend he just fored the information there's no contract no okay no well they all side on as friends until it comes to closing no he I think he's

done I would so the issue there Ron's make a good point but you can make a hardship argument to dhcd saying that the appraised value does not reflect the developable components of that property that we did the same thing when we did um Main Street Tex Styles there were premium development costs associated with that property that were not reflected in the appraised value because

there was a lot of ledge there and we qu we reduced the appraise value based upon the amount of ledge that had to be taken out in order to make that property work so there in this in this property here you get the wetlands which were impacting the property because it's not contiguous so I think you can make an argument based upon that and you can get the hd's approval right for a less of a

c less of a sales price based upon some of the right factors that are there you would hop you would have hoped that those were taken into account with the apprisal but you know industrial you know there's a new high water mark you we sold the land in the technology park at 100 18 180,000 per acre but that was a nice piece great access without Wetland on no there's Wetlands there was there was all sorts

of environmental challenges there were turtles there were a whole bunch of things but that was developable Acres it didn't include the Wetland no but this is mostly developable you got a wetland portion there but you get lble P right but he was counting the Upland that you can barely reach so but there is a way to reach it I think that's maybe the fault of that appraisal because there is

a way to reach it if you you would use it for storage or you fill in 5,000 square fet which fall into the D DP limit and you got access to it so that's kind of what is appraisal assumes is that you're figuring out how to use all the upli so but I do think you can make an argument for it so you know if they get an offer then see what that is and

then take it to the next step all the DH dhcd was not dhcd any was it's h e h LC or something yeah executive office of housing livable communities right so it's e hlc but people are calling it hlc hlc but not was that about a year ago we got H when it was quite a while ago right well the answer is it's in an urban renewal plan so you need the state's

approval to sell it no matter what no I've only been here less than a year and I've heard of it so it's not less it's less than a year well John makes a good point we can't sell that it's an urban renewal plan so you need the state approval to sell it no matter what your price is you're going to have to justify okay um anybody have any other questions about

anything oh all the trailers are on lot yeah all the trailers yeah Karen got it got it um evacuated and sealed off um so if there's no other questions I can entertain a motion to adjourn I'm motion to adjourn second second John Arison yes L Gonzales yes Ron R yes an ke yes Jo madas yes thank you everybody thanks thanks thanks night night