11.10.2026 Fall River City Council
0:00 City Council public hearing will now be called to order.0:03 The time is 6:01 on Tuesday, November 10th.0:07 Madam Clerk, for a roll call please.0:09 Councilor Skadeem?0:09 Here.0:10 Camara?0:11 Canuel?0:12 Here.0:12 Dion?0:13 Here.0:13 Hart?0:14 Here.0:15 Peckham?0:15 Here.0:16 Carrera?0:17 Here.0:17 Raposo?0:18 Here.0:18 President Ponte?0:19 Here.0:19 Pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium.0:25 Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made, whether perceived or unperceived by those present, and are deemed acknowledged and permissible.0:33 Good evening once again.0:34 Uh, first item on our agenda is our public hearings.0:36 Is there a motion?0:37 Motion to open the public hearing has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Raposo.0:42 All those in favor?0:43 Aye.0:43 Opposed?0:44 The ayes have it.0:46 Item number 1 is the Massachusetts Electric Company doing business as National Grid and Verizon New England for one jointly owned pole location.0:54 On Ellis Street, this one new jointly owned pole location.0:57 This petition is proposing to install one new jointly owned 45-foot Class H1 midspan pole, P3 to 50, on Ellis Street, beginning at the point approximately 70 feet northeast of the centerline of the intersection on Essex Street and Ellis Street between poles 2 and Essex— on Essex Street and existing pole 3 on Ellis Street.1:21 This is in accordance with Plan Number 31361744.1:27 Calling all proponents wishing to speak on this item.1:30 Calling all proponents, come on down.1:34 Just face the council and state your name and address for the record, please.1:39 Albert Galvin, design engineer, National Grid Electric.1:45 Hi.1:46 And you're here as a proponent?1:47 You want to make a statement, or you just want to register the fact that you're a proponent for this matter.1:51 Quick statement on it.1:52 Sure.1:53 We are in need of a recloser out there to read temporary faults, any outage issues that may be happening in that vicinity.2:01 So this pole, we need to have disconnects in line with that new— with that recloser pole to possibly, like, shut down that particular spot, work on an outage, things of that nature, isolate any problems.2:13 So that's the nature of this requirement here.2:16 Thank you so much.2:17 Calling all additional proponents wishing to speak.2:19 Thank you so much.2:21 Calling all additional proponents.2:22 Hearing none.2:23 Any opponents wishing to speak?2:24 Calling all opponents.2:26 Hearing none.2:27 Number 2, the Massachusetts Electric Company doing business as National Grid and Verizon New England Inc. for one jointly owned pole location as follows.2:34 This is on Weetamoe Street.2:35 The petition is proposing to install one new jointly owned 45-foot Class H1 midspan pole P2 to 50 on Weetamoe Street, beginning on the, on the point approximately 15 feet east of the center line of the intersection of North High Street and Weetamoe Street between existing poles 2 and 3 on Weetamoe Street.2:55 This is in accordance with plan number 31361571.3:02 Calling all proponents.3:05 Just reintroduce yourself for the record, please.3:07 Albert Galvin, design engineer, National Grid Electric.3:11 And your statement?3:12 Similar situation.3:14 This is the best spot that the Planning Engineer Department determined to put a recloser and a disconnect out in this straight line of poles.3:25 And this way we can shorten any outage issues that may occur, temporary faults in the lines, things of that nature.3:32 Thank you.3:33 Thank you very much.3:35 Calling all additional proponents wishing to speak on this item.3:38 Calling all additional proponents.3:39 Hearing none, calling all opponents wishing to speak?3:42 Calling all opponents.3:43 Hearing none.3:43 Item number 3, auto repair shop.3:45 John Milanis of 6 Longview Circle, Pelham, New Hampshire 03076, doing business as Auto Care Plus LLC, for the license to operate an auto repair shop at 1904 Bay Street on Lot A10-17, assessor's plan.4:02 Calling all proponents wishing to speak.4:04 Calling all proponents.4:05 Hearing none.4:06 Calling all up— You're as a proponent.4:10 Thank you.4:13 You're welcome.4:15 Uh, yeah, John, we, uh, bought Bayside Automotive in March of 2024.4:21 Been operating the repair shop since then, and, uh, we had a mishap with the renewal.4:27 It's a 2-year renewal.4:29 Uh, we didn't get— it was sent certified mail, but we didn't get it.4:32 Had I'm not sure where the mix-up was.4:35 But we had to reapply for the license.4:38 So we're here to reapply for the license and corrected the addressing so that it goes to the store instead of not to me.4:49 We're just looking to continue on with business since a couple of years now.4:55 Thank you.4:55 Thank you.4:56 Thank you so much.4:57 Calling all additional proponents wishing to speak on this item.5:01 Hearing none.5:01 Calling all opponents.5:03 Hearing none.5:03 Item number 4, Brian Vieira, 1 Duval Avenue, Westport, 02790, doing business as Amy's Auto Repair Inc., for the license to operate an auto repair shop at 5 Laurel Street, Lot E1-71 in the assessor's plan.5:18 Calling all proponents wishing to speak on this item.5:22 Calling all proponents.5:23 Calling all opponents wishing to speak.5:25 Calling all opponents.5:26 Hearing none.5:29 Item number 5.5:31 Um, so for the council and those who are here in our public hearing, items number 5, 6, 7, 10, and 11, uh, those folks, um, did come in and pay.5:43 Um, so it is unnecessary for us to call on these items for proponents and opponents.5:49 Um, the clerk, when we go to our regularly scheduled city council meeting, will be able to amend the order.5:53 Letting them know that they, um, they have been paid and will be able to move forward.5:56 So I will not be calling items 5, 6, 7, 10, and 11.6:02 Correct, Madam Clerk?6:03 Yes.6:04 Item number 8, 300 Rickenback Road LLC, 1194 Horse Neck Road, Westport, Mass.6:11 02790, to store 21,000 gallons of industrial alcohol above ground at 300 Rickenback Road.6:20 Calling all proponents.6:24 Calling all proponents.6:25 Hearing none.6:25 Calling all opponents.6:28 Hearing none.6:28 Item number 9, 300 Reagan Back Road LLC of 1194 Horse Neck Road, Westport, Mass.6:34 02790, to store 7 3,500-gallon tanks and 2 1,500-gallon tanks during 1.1 I have no idea what that word is.6:49 The floor— a number of items such as propane, different types of propane, uh, 81-19 at 300 Rickenback Road.6:58 Calling all proponents wishing to speak on this item.7:01 Calling all proponents.7:03 Hearing none.7:03 Calling all opponents wishing to speak.7:06 Calling all opponents.7:07 Hearing none.7:08 Item number 12, Hyde Development LLC.7:11 This is a curb removal.7:12 At 1500 Vine Street, Somerset, Mass.7:14 02726 for the removal of curbing as follows.7:18 The existing vacant parcel has no curb opening driveway.7:22 This is at 11 Dyer Street.7:24 The applicant requests permission to create a 70-foot opening in accordance with the site plan approval.7:30 The total opening for that location will be 72 feet.7:34 Calling all proponents.7:37 Calling all opponents.7:39 Hearing none for either.7:42 Item 13 is tax classification, adoption of the percentage of the local tax levy to be borne in each class of property for the fiscal year 2027.7:51 Calling all proponents wishing to speak on this item, come down to the table now.7:55 Um, invited proponents has been Mr. Gonzalez, Chair of the Board of Assessors, Mr. Lane, the City Assessor, as well as the City Administrator and the Director of Financial Services.8:04 Please come down to the table.8:07 Mr. President?8:08 Yes, Councilor?8:08 For the public hearings that we had, there were no issues with licensing and stuff?8:12 Because I know we've got some folks that might not be familiar with the process.8:15 I, I just don't want them to have to stay the entire meeting.8:17 That's all.8:17 Uh, not, not to my knowledge.8:19 Madam Clerk, there's been no record at the office, has it?8:21 No.8:21 No, Councilor.8:27 And what— just what that means, if you're here for a public hearing and you're questioning or wondering if you are going to get your license or not.8:34 It will come to the full council at our regularly scheduled meeting, which is after 7 o'clock tonight.8:39 We're not going to be acting on it tonight, but there has been no opposition on the license transfers, so I don't foresee there being an issue.8:45 But I don't want to assume at this point.8:47 But after 7 o'clock tonight is when the council will make that vote.8:50 We're just going through our public hearings now, which could take a little time, and then we have a committee on finance which starts right after that.8:56 You can stay, you can go, but I didn't want to feel like you had to wait here because it's not like we're going to be giving anybody licensed is here tonight, but you're happy to call the clerk's office first thing tomorrow morning if there's any issues.9:06 Okay, and that goes for anybody else who's here in the audience.9:09 Uh, please introduce yourself for the record as a proponent on this.9:13 Dan Lane, tax assessor, City of Fall River.9:16 Richard Gonzalez, chairman of the board, assessor's office.9:19 Emily Arpke, director of finance.9:22 Ian O'Neill, Susan City administrator.9:25 Is there a brief overview that you can explain to the city council on this?9:28 What is the position the administration is taking, uh, for the tax classification?9:32 Sure.9:33 So we're here tonight to vote on the tax shift.9:36 Um, the Board of Assessors, uh, took a unanimous vote, uh, Thursday last week, uh, to keep the shift at 175.9:44 It's what the city has done in the past.9:48 I've put together just a quick little package about the growth that we had this past year, just kind of an overview of what single-family residences did, condos Uh, broke it all down for you, um, and then kind of gave you values, uh, citywide.10:06 Um, we had another, uh, great year for growth this year.10:11 Um, we're at $2.3 million.10:13 Are you referencing a document that the city council could have, or is it on our agenda?10:18 No, it's, uh, it's all part of the little packet.10:20 It is part of the packet.10:21 Okay, I wasn't sure if you were referencing a separate agenda item.10:23 Thank you.10:25 And just for our councilor's own edification, I'm pulling it up in our regularly scheduled council meetings.10:30 Item 9 in full council.10:32 Item 9.10:33 I believe you're referencing a sheet, um, that begins with the tax residential rate, tax commercial rate, average residential, and the average bill.10:41 Mr. Lane, is that correct?10:42 Um, I was just, uh, actually right now I was just talking about growth breakdown.10:46 Understood.10:46 Okay, well, it is item 9 in our full council to our councilors and people who are home.10:50 Thank you.10:50 Sorry to interrupt you.10:51 No worries.10:53 So I was just giving you an overview of the growth.10:56 Residential, commercial brought in a little over $1 million.11:01 Utilities— we have 4 utilities in the city— brought in a little over $770,000 in growth.11:07 And then personal property, right around $500,000 in growth, bringing $2.3 million this year, a little down from last year at $2.59 million.11:17 Um, but the reason for that is utilities.11:20 Uh, Liberty Gas is kind of winding down putting the utility lines in or replacing utility lines.11:29 Reached out to the engineering department, which reached out to Liberty Gas to try to find out where they were.11:36 I know that's a question that's come up each year.11:38 We haven't gotten an answer back.11:40 Once I do get an answer, I will let you guys know.11:43 I know Sean always asks about that each year.11:46 How much is left to replace.11:53 I also gave you what the other municipalities are, what the tax rate is at other municipalities.12:05 City of New Bedford— sorry, trying to find it here— what they were last year: Fall River, New Bedford, Attleboro, Taunton, Swansea, Somerset.12:15 What the average bill was and what the average residential value was.12:19 These are all last year's values.12:20 The cities, towns have not certified as of last week when I put this together to have new values for this year.12:28 It just kind of gives you an overview of where we're at compared to whether— where other cities and towns are at.12:35 And just for the council and the community's edification, um, you're— the administration you mentioned is suggesting a 1.75% tax factor.12:44 That is correct.12:44 And, uh, for everybody, if you can just explain, uh, the burden shift to the residential ratepayer or the commercial ratepayer, and how does that affect both, please?12:53 Sure.12:54 So I gave you a what-if scenario.12:56 It kind of breaks it down.12:58 Um, it starts at 1 and goes to, uh, 1.75.13:02 The city's always— in the past, I should say— elected to keep the shift at 1.75.13:09 And what that does is it shifts some of the burden to the commercial.13:12 We do have a split tax rate here versus a single tax rate, and so the commercial taxpayers pay a little more versus having a single rate.13:22 Questions?13:23 Councilman C4, Council Vice President.13:24 No, it's not a question.13:25 I, I just want to add to that comment that— because people don't understand, because when they hear 1 and then 1.75, they assume 1.75 causes the price to be higher.13:37 Where in reality it's the lowest that we can set it at, and, and that's the best we can do for the, for the taxpayer.13:43 And I don't think people understand that, so I just want that to be very clear, that, that, that number is the absolute lowest that we can, um, set the tax factor at.13:53 That's correct.13:53 So if we had a single tax rate, the single tax rate for everyone would be $13.41.13:59 Having a, a split tax rate and doing the shift at $175 The proposed— obviously this is an estimate tonight— it's $11.47 versus $13.41.14:10 The commercial would pay $23.46.14:14 It's just kind of the 0.75 is shifting to the commercial, so they pay a little more.14:19 Single-family residences or residential pay a little less.14:24 Thank you.14:24 With that, I yield.14:25 Thank you.14:25 Anything further for the councilor in terms of questions?14:27 Mr. Gonzalez, if you can Every year you kind of give us a very quick update if you can, and you know my question in advance.14:34 The commercial cap rate that you're using in the city based on your income approach for the commercial side, if you can just very quickly opine on that.14:42 Okay, here we go.14:44 So, so basically there are 3 components to a cap rate.14:50 There's the discount rate, the rate of borrowing, and also the the rate of risk.14:56 There's the building recapture rate, which is the depreciation part of it.15:02 And finally, the effective tax rate, which is the, the number that you guys choose.15:08 So if you choose a $25 rate, that's 2.5.15:12 So basically what we're utilizing in the city is on a triple net lease— there are 2 types of leases: gross lease, triple net lease.15:20 Triple net lease means that The tenant pays the taxes and he pays a lot of the expenses, which is negotiated in the lease.15:28 A gross lease means simply that the owner of the property, he pays or she pays.15:35 So one thing we have— what we have to look at is that when we look at those type of leases, we, we need to develop a cap rate.15:43 And we have 2 types of cap rates.15:46 We have what's called a triple net cap rate And we also have a gross cap rate.15:51 The gross cap rate is always higher because that's the one that the owners of the property pays the taxes, usually a mom-and-pop store that we have.16:00 So what we're utilizing in the city is like 8.86 on a triple net lease, also up to a number of around 11.5 on a gross lease.16:15 But it also gets a little more technical.16:17 We get involved with use.16:20 Because we are assessing a large group, we're assessing everything from office space to retail to fast foods.16:32 Those type of items, they don't have the same rates.16:36 We pretty much give fast foods— a lower rate, which means a higher point in value, because that's not that risky.16:46 But if we have a mar and par, where we're lowering— we're giving it a higher rate, which is lowering of value.16:53 That's what it's based on.16:56 Apartment buildings as well.16:57 The same thing holds true with apartment buildings.17:01 We, we are ordered by the state to use 4 to 8 units as a base.17:06 Which is our 111s.17:08 Anything over 8 units becomes a 112, and there's a cap rate involved with that as well.17:15 So that's basically the cap rates that we develop in the office.17:21 Dan and I work on those I&Es when they come in.17:25 And by the way, we have a great response.17:27 We never have an issue of not collecting the I&Es and developing value.17:32 But also there are outside agencies that I subscribe to, such as Dollars and Sense, the number that's out there, and there's some other entities that we go to just to check and get guidance.17:52 Because sometimes, you know, with us dealing with so many properties, we get the I&E back and the I&E is not filled out properly.18:00 We have issues and questions, and we need some kind of guidance manual that we apply to, to get the correct rate, because it all boils down to value.18:08 And then at the end, it all boils down to appeals.18:11 And when we do have appeals, it's pretty much never on the cap rate.18:16 The appeals always come on the expense side and the vacancy side, but— and basically on the rents we collect.18:23 We— Dan does a good job.18:25 I help them with that, and because the accuracy relies on us coming together with an agreement so we, we don't get a problem with an appeal.18:36 That's what we don't want.18:38 And we kind of like handle our appeals within, within the office.18:41 So that's a tremendous savings on the, on the city.18:44 We do bring in Matt Thomas when it does go to the ATB, but other than that, it's all done in-house.18:51 Thank you very much.18:51 And your vacancy factor?18:53 5.18:53 5.18:54 Thank you.18:54 Anything further from the council?18:56 Councilman C1, Councilor Kadeem.18:57 Thank you, Mr. President.18:58 Uh, just with regards to the average residential single family, I just— I had it here somewhere.19:07 Um, is it like 400?19:10 I think it's 419.19:12 Sorry, let me just find it.19:14 Yeah.19:14 Oh yeah, it's right here.19:20 405,164.19:21 That was FY26, I think.19:24 No, you're right.19:25 What— so what's 2017?19:27 That is 2017.19:28 The 419 in the column below it.19:33 So it was— the average value was 405 in '26 and FY27.19:37 Of the, uh, the 419, what, what's the median on the single families?19:41 Do we know that?19:41 I'm just curious to see.19:42 Where folks fall.19:45 I just did the average, I didn't do a median.19:47 You didn't?19:47 Sorry.19:48 Yeah, could you just— I'm just curious, the median will be a little higher, Sean.19:52 Yeah, it's always, it's always a little higher.19:54 Um, in a city like, uh, Fall River, one of the, one of the key items is, um, we don't have that many areas whereby, um, values are tremendous.20:05 We, we have some, but you know, like communities that have water That's the problem.20:11 You never want to use a water— an average on the water because you have properties that are off the water and properties that are on the water that the difference is too far.20:20 Yeah, I just, I just like to use the median for reference.20:23 It's the best.20:24 It's the way to go, right?20:25 Especially when you have some homes that are either vacant or whatever the case may be.20:29 I just like to see where the average taxpayer falls.20:32 So if you, if you could send that, and then I get the I got a question on the 103, 109s.20:37 Is that the boathouses?20:38 What do we have for those miscellaneous?20:40 Like, they're not mobile homes, are they?20:43 Uh, no, 103s, 109s, just— there's 111 of them.20:46 Um, the 109s are 2 houses on 1 lot, so that's the majority of those.20:52 Um, and so there's quite a few of those in the city.20:54 Um, the 103s, uh, I don't even believe we have any 103s.20:58 Okay, I didn't think so.20:59 That's why it's pretty much made up of the 109s.21:01 Yeah, when I seen the 112, I thought it was— but in reference to that, Councilor, as, as the years go on, our 109s are going to increase and our 104s because of the, uh, right, the AUs that the governor has made it part of, uh, our way of doing business now.21:19 So when we, when we have like a ranch and now you have a little cottage, and that's going to be— it's going to go from a 101 to a 109.21:27 So that's going to be a burden for us to keep record of.21:33 I've been an advocate to have its own use class, and it's pretty much fallen on deaf ears.21:43 We have a couple of classes in our classification book that we never use, like a 107 and a 108.21:50 And that, to me, by utilizing that, that would give us a better record keeping.21:55 And it would keep, like, communities that do not allow 2 families now run that problem.22:01 I mean, if you have a raised ranch with now a finished basement that you're renting out, technically the state is telling us call that a 104.22:12 So now if you're at a situation where you have a town that has a limit on the 104s that you can have and you're at that limit, with this new ADU, you're going to be over that limit when you have an existing house have another apartment inside.22:30 So the average single-family home valued at $419,477, essentially if we keep it at the 1.75%, would see roughly a $160 increase for the year.22:42 Correct.22:43 And obviously that's the most we can do in terms of shifting the burden.22:46 That's least that that single-family homeowner will be able to pay.22:50 Okay.22:50 And then chapter land, I see we have 2 chapter lands in there.22:54 So the golf course, what's our other chapter land?22:56 Nope.22:56 So, so the recreational— sorry, is that what you're looking at?23:02 Yeah.23:03 Gosh.23:04 Yeah, the golf course would be— yeah, this one.23:06 And then you have, you have, you might have something up at the reservoir.23:09 Yeah.23:11 Cobra Cup, the one out there on one of those roads there.23:14 Privately owned, because anybody over 5 acres is gonna pretty much go chapter.23:18 We're down to 6 chapters on, you know, typical, typical chapter land.23:24 I think it's Yellowstone, that road that's out there.23:28 You might have one.23:29 Right.23:32 Okay.23:32 And then, sorry, my brain short circuits when you do double-sided on paper.23:38 So I always mess this up.23:41 So you had new growth on here somewhere.23:43 Yeah.23:44 Breakdown.23:44 Can you just speak a little bit to that?23:46 So are you just talking about overall personal property utility?23:50 Yeah.23:50 So personal property, I can give you last year versus this year.23:54 Last year, personal property was $701,000.23:56 This year it's $501,886.23:59 Utilities were $819,000.24:01 This year, $770,000.24:03 Residential commercial growth, I group them together.24:05 Last year, $1,070,000.24:07 This year, $1,088,000.24:09 Total last year, $2.59 million.24:11 This year, $2.3 million.24:13 You can see it's steadily coming down since 20— uh, since '21, um, was when they started replacing a lot of the utility lines.24:23 The year before last, we had a couple of power stations replaced.24:27 Liberty Gas is kind of winding down as far as replacing all those gas lines, and that's what I kind of hinted to earlier.24:32 I was trying to get a, a the number where we're at, like, are we 80% done, 90% done?24:38 And they didn't respond yet.24:40 I got with the engineering department and trying to figure out where we're at with that.24:43 So in terms of new growth for out-of-years, so, you know, future years on, you know, '28, '29 and stuff like that, what are we seeing for building permits?24:52 Are they lower than usual?24:55 Are they on target?24:56 I mean, so this year we had roughly 30 new homes completed.25:00 Obviously, there's a ton more started, under construction, some that are just ongoing.25:07 I think last year we might have had 36 or something.25:09 So I think we're kind of in line.25:12 If you're kind of referring to the 79 corridor, that's just going to depend on where we're at with TIFs and TIs down there.25:18 Currently, we're at 25 TIFs/TI agreements that are ongoing.25:23 Next year, I believe one of those drop off.25:26 But it's just, you know, depending on what we continue to give, tips and ties depends on where we're at with growth.25:33 And then I always— I know we always vote on the exemption, right, as well as part of this.25:37 And yeah, the elderly, right?25:40 No, not the elderly.25:41 No, the small business.25:43 Small business.25:44 So we currently do not have a small business exemption here.25:46 We don't— we don't do that.25:47 All right.25:51 I guess I was going to tie into the overlay.25:53 How are we with the overlay?25:55 Is it in good shape?25:56 It's in good shape.25:57 Yep.25:57 Um, so this year we set aside $1.4 million.26:00 Um, we had upped the elderly exemption, veteran exemptions 2 years ago.26:07 Um, currently to date as of last Friday, we have approved 741 exemptions for $750,000.26:15 Last year we had approved 865 for total of $909,000.26:19 I think we have until April 1st for, for people to apply for the veteran exemptions, elderly exemptions, widows, disability exemptions, um, till April 1st.26:29 So if you haven't done that, you know, please do so.26:31 But we'll probably be closer to $1 million in exemptions this year is kind of what I'm projecting.26:37 That still leaves us a little over $400,000 this year from the overlay plus a remainder of $260,000 60% from last year.26:46 Perfect.26:47 All right, thank you.26:47 I yield.26:48 Thank you, Councilor.26:48 In seat 3, Councilor Canuel.26:50 Thank you.26:52 So in addition to the note that my colleague mentioned in seat 4, that this is the lowest residential tax rate that we can set for people, the actual rates are going down themselves per $1,000, corrected by a penny on the residential side and 12 cents on the commercial value if we adopt these.27:09 The the big difference is just the valuations are going up slightly.27:15 That's correct.27:16 Yes, sir.27:16 Okay, just want to confirm that.27:18 Thank you.27:18 Thank you.27:19 Council on C7, Councilor Pereira.27:22 Um, let me ask you, on a lot of the 2 and 3 families that people are now converting to, every apartment is considered a condominium.27:30 Do we count that as, uh, the 102s, 104s, or 105s?27:36 Are they all as 102s?27:37 So if you have a 3-family and you convert it into 3 separate condos, that, that would now fall into the 102 category.27:43 You'd fall into the 102s?27:44 Yes, ma'am.27:44 Okay.27:45 And just for people that are listening, when you talk about the exemptions, can you go over the exemptions for people to know if they're 100% disabled veteran what they'd get?27:54 It's a different percentage.27:56 If you could just— so sure, people out there can— so we offer several different— I'll start with veteran exemptions.28:02 We offer 10% to 100%— 10% to 99% disabled veteran receives $800.28:12 It's up from $400 from 2 years ago the council had approved.28:16 If you're 100% disabled veteran, it's a $2,000 exemption.28:22 We have different— other different veteran exemptions if you're killed in line of duty, Gold Star, star parent, a widow or widower from a death due to service-connected disability.28:39 We also offer blind exemption, and that's a $500 exemption.28:45 We offer a widow exemption that's a $180 exemption, and then a senior exemption that you have to meet certain criteria as far far as assets and income, and it's based on if you're single, married, what have you.29:02 But if you have questions, please call the office.29:06 You know, we're more than welcome to answer any questions, fill out the application, help you fill out the application.29:12 You have until April 1st to do so.29:15 The sooner the better if you want it to show up on your tax return.29:19 Excuse me, and the assets did, right, which was good.29:23 Let me say this, the elderly went from, uh, $500 to $750, um, and that was a great thing the administration did.29:32 The council approved it.29:34 Um, it was about time we helped the elderly.29:37 It was about time we helped the veterans, um, only because it was like 44 years plus that we never ever moved from $500.29:47 And those veteran lines.29:49 So now we did, uh, we are requiring the overlay to be $1.4 million, and, uh, it's a good thing.29:59 It's a good thing.30:00 I mean, we never, we never raised on the $1.4 million.30:03 We also, we used to fund that under $1 million at one point and have quite a few abatement applications.30:12 And we're out there doing the best we can with the money we have, and, um, I think everyone needs to be proud of that.30:21 Well, and I just wanted you to be able to say that because when I run across people, you know, over 65 or what have you that are having trouble paying, uh, bills and they're not aware of what the city is providing— or veterans, it used to be $1,000 for 100%, now it's 2,000.30:40 Uh, it used to be 400 for, you know, 10 to 99.30:44 Now it's 800.30:46 So it's just important for people to know that.30:48 Thank you for explaining that.30:50 We, uh, sorry, we've, uh, I believe the number as of last week was around 55 new applications this year that have been approved.30:59 Um, that's split between veterans and elderly.31:03 Well, at least we're trying to help people, and that's what we're trying to do.31:06 And thank you for answering my question on the condominiums.31:09 Appreciate it.31:11 I yield.31:11 Thank you, Councilor.31:12 Councilman Siede, Councilor Raposo.31:13 Thank you, Mr. President.31:14 Um, how many TIFs and TIES are coming off this year?31:17 None.31:18 Zero.31:18 Zero.31:19 Okay.31:20 When's, when's the next fiscal year?31:22 We'll see.31:23 One sec, one sec.31:24 Um, I brought it with me.31:26 Um, next year there is one that's coming off.31:29 Um, that FY28, right?31:32 FY28.31:32 Yep.31:34 Which one is that?31:34 If you— is it, is it, is it considerable, or is it— no, it's, um, gosh, it's, um, Blount Seafood, I believe.31:43 Okay.31:46 What about Amazon, out of curiosity?31:48 Uh, maybe in another 4 years, Council President.31:50 Uh, we're at 50 now.31:53 In about 4 more years, uh, as if every 5 it goes down to 25.31:59 Um, so, uh, Blount Seafood comes off in '28.32:05 Um, Amazon comes off in 2032.32:11 Yeah, point of information though, you're picking up new taxes every year though.32:16 Well, um, not every year, but when it changes from 50% to 25%, we do.32:21 Yes, right, that's part of your growth for that year.32:23 Yeah.32:25 Can we just get an updated list of the next 5 to 10 years if possible?32:30 Sure.32:30 Yeah, I have a running list.32:32 I can share this tomorrow.32:33 That'd be great.32:34 Thank you, Mr. President.32:35 Thank you.32:35 Councilor in seat 4, Council Vice President Dion.32:38 Yeah, I know we're not there yet, but I hate to wait until we are in terms of the ADUs and the effect it's going to have on our community.32:48 So tax bills that are produced with properties that have an ADU That tax bill will go to the homeowner, to each the homeowner and the ADU.32:59 How will that work?33:01 And go ahead, go ahead then.33:02 Okay, um, it's not considered 2 houses on a lot like you've talked about.33:11 We have house lots with 2 houses.33:13 This is going to be an ADU and a house.33:16 Is that what you're saying?33:17 That's why you're looking for the different classification?33:21 No.33:21 So currently, I believe we have 7 ADUs that are finished.33:26 Majority of them are ranches— or sorry, raised ranches where they've finished the first level or lower level, made that the ADU.33:34 We have a couple that are 3 families that have finished the basements.33:37 We— I don't believe to date that we have any single standalone ADUs finished.33:45 Finished.33:46 Um, the— if it was a 101 and they built an ADU standing, a self-standing alone ADU, it would become a 109, 2 houses on 1 lot.33:57 It's 1 tax bill, 1 parcel, 1 tax bill.34:00 If it's an ADU in the basement, it's the same thing, it's 1 tax bill.34:05 Um, converting a 3-family to a 4-family, it's still 1 tax bill.34:10 So which component is it that you're having trouble— that you anticipate you'll have trouble tracking?34:16 Is it the one that's adding an ADU in their basement, somebody who might be doing a self-standing.34:21 So I've, I've personally created a separate landline, a 113.34:26 It's just for tracking purposes.34:29 It doesn't change value, doesn't do anything, it doesn't report to the state.34:33 But I know I will get questions at some point, how many ADUs do we have?34:37 What properties are they on?34:39 So I created a 113, and it's in the landline, and I can filter on it, I can sort by it, what have you.34:45 So that's, that's what I've done.34:47 Across the state, they're encouraging all the assessors to use 109, which that's what it would legally become, is a 109-2.34:55 If it's a standalone, it's a 109, it's 2 buildings on 1 parcel.35:01 Yeah, because as we know, things slip through and slip by.35:05 So before we have a problem, I'd like to set up something so we don't have a problem.35:12 So myself, the building official, Glenn, we figured out how we're addressing them.35:18 We're doing ABC.35:19 So if it's 113 North Main Street, it's 113, 113A, 113B, just depending on how many ADUs they put on a parcel.35:28 But that's how we've, we've, you know, identifying the address as well.35:34 And this is probably completely off topic, but It isn't, it isn't, I suppose.35:38 So until— let's— so, uh, but we have to assume eventually there's going to be standalone ADUs for sure.35:44 I mean, we're not going to avoid that.35:46 So obviously they're going to need utilities.35:50 Are these standalones going to tie into the existing home, or is this going to create new growth because utilities are going to have to be put in for these ADUs?36:01 Or don't we even know the answer to that question?36:03 I don't know.36:04 I was going to say, I typically don't have anything to do with utilities.36:07 My assumption is, is if it's a standalone unit, it would have to have its own separate utilities.36:12 I'm not sure about the water sewer portion, if they can tie into other, you know, to the pre-existing, or if they have to run their own line as well.36:20 I don't want to speak on somebody else's behalf, but okay.36:23 I guess that's another conversation for us for another day.36:26 But thank you, I appreciate it.36:28 With that, I yield.36:29 In most, most circumstances, by the way, the water department is requiring for ADUs that they get their own separate line, especially if it's a separate parcel.36:38 So you're in the same parcel, a different building.36:41 Mr. Furlan has been requesting that work be done so we can anticipate more street openings that shouldn't be happening in less than 5 years, etc., etc.36:53 In some cases, yes.36:54 Councilor in seat 2, Councilor Camara.36:56 You just said depending how many ADUs they put on the parcel of land.36:59 How many?36:59 What's the limit?37:00 I don't know if there is a limit, uh, you know.37:02 So if your lot's big enough, I believe you can put, you know, 1, 2, maybe 3, you know, as long as they meet the setback requirements.37:09 Uh, he has it on the side of— the way it's done is Glenn has a formula that he does on the existing home.37:20 It's a percentage of the existing I was only impressed you can put one ADU on a parcel.37:24 And that's, that's, that would be his call.37:27 It depends on the parcel size, ultimately.37:29 So if you have a 2-acre lot, it could increase the number that you could be allowed type of thing.37:35 So in that case, we would have to do just meet the required setbacks.37:39 So it would be part of something that would run through Glenn and what that requirement looks like and what those sizes, you know, qualify for.37:46 Site plan review as as well, Councilor.37:47 They have to go through that in most cases.37:49 All right, thank you.37:50 Thank you, Councilor.37:51 Anything further for Councilman C3?37:53 Councilor Canuel, just a couple quick questions if you have the numbers available.37:56 Uh, how many veterans do you have participating in the exemption?38:00 Sure, so I have, um, I have a little spreadsheet that I can share with you as well with the TIF.38:05 Um, I've shared with a few of the councilors that have stopped by my office.38:08 Um, so if you want to break it down, I have it broken down by type.38:13 So 22s are the 10 to 99.38:15 Currently there's 171 of those.38:17 22Es, which are 100%, there's 126 of those.38:22 22Ds, which are death by disability, there's 29 of those.38:30 And 22Hs, which is a Gold Star parent, we have one of those.38:34 And then what's the total exemption for those?38:37 Total amount?38:38 Yes.38:39 Um, so 22s are $136,800, 22Es are $252,000, 22Ds are $106,000, and the 22H is $5,000.38:54 And what about seniors?38:55 How many participating and total cost?38:58 So there's a couple different categories there.39:00 So the 17Ds are the widows, there's 30 of them.39:04 For $5,400.39:05 41Cs, which are the 65 and older, there's 353 of them at $264,750.39:16 And then there's blind, the 37As, there's 30 of them at $15,000.39:22 And can veterans combine with the senior exemptions if they also meet that criteria?39:27 So you're allowed one exemption.39:30 If the If there's 2 owners, husband and wife, one's a veteran, one's, you know, the elderly, you can have both.39:37 If you have 2 veterans, husband and wife are veteran, they both can get a veteran exemption.39:44 Thank you.39:45 I think that's helpful.39:45 I think for a lot of people who don't know what is available to them in terms of relief, and I do applaud the council for raising the senior one particularly from $500 to $750.39:56 When I look at other communities like Taunton, though, they're up, I think, at $1,000 right now.40:01 And I think I'd like to see seniors exemption go up to $1,000 in the next fiscal year and make that request to the finance team to consider that potential with a motion or resolution to follow later.40:15 I think we need to do more.40:18 They're really being squeezed out of the community.40:21 So with that, I yield.40:22 Thank you, Councillor.40:23 Councillor in C6, Councillor Peckham.40:26 Good evening, uh, Miss O'Neill, Miss Aupke.40:30 Since we're speaking of the ADUs, has there been any prior talk of what the projection of population is going to be, any increase?40:40 Have we sat and had those discussions knowing that it's coming?40:44 I mean, I, I have not been part of any conversation with the administration regarding ADUs.40:50 I know, like, for Dan's perspective, for tax purposes, Glen Hathaway's for inspectional services, what their requirements have been, but the administration has not had any conversation.41:02 Is it possible to do like some type of mathematical equation with the lots that we have and maybe a projection as to what we're adding?41:09 So I think, I think if you're asking about the lots that meet eligibility Potential.41:15 I mean, I think we could try and run something like that, but to know who's going to take it, I mean, we can do it based off what we've seen so far, but I would like to see ultimately the high end.41:25 So if this was full capacity, what are we looking at?41:28 So it's just tough because if you have a raised ranch and someone else has a raised ranch, are you finishing your basement and he's not?41:35 You know, so that's the tough area.41:37 Same thing, 3-family.41:39 Are you finishing your basement?41:40 To put in an ADU, are you finishing your attic?41:42 It's kind of a tough ask.41:44 I could do it by lot size and then kind of guesstimate, raise ranches, or maybe half of those guys will finish, you know, something like that, and just kind of spell it out.41:53 Okay.41:53 Something like that.41:54 Yeah, because I mean, if even if somebody has a basement that we would have on record, whether it's even at the standards to be able to be converted could be a whole nother conversation that we may not have that exact detail unless you want 2,000— 20,000 parcels at a time.42:08 And the other is, is the person already living on the property and now just going to occupy an ADU when they were part of that raised ranch to begin with?42:16 Now the basement, you know, downstairs, now they're going to occupy that space because they're going to make it, you know, a formal request for the, the ADU.42:25 I just think with all the discussion that we've had, where we don't know the population, I would hate to build these and add on top of the unknown.42:35 Yeah, I want to just be clear.42:36 I think we can try and run some numbers with some of the data that we have, but to say what will actually happen and what number of population it would increase at this point, I think we don't have that type of data, but we could help with what we do have, provide some information.42:49 How about preplanned talks for infrastructure improvements since these ADUs are coming in?42:53 Who else?42:53 The infrastructure.42:54 Have there been any talks for improvements with the ADUs coming in?42:58 So I think it's the requirement when a property is trying to hook in or something, they would be responsible for whatever that cost requirement is to, I'm going to say, add that utility extension, that becomes the cost of the homeowner in that sense.43:09 So it would be, it would be their responsibility to increase that.43:13 Okay.43:14 Is there a specific section of the city that would see the majority of these?43:23 Spread out?43:24 Yeah.43:24 Yeah.43:24 I'm wondering if there's more 80 U-capable lots in one section of the city compared to another.43:32 Councilman Siegel, on your point of order.43:33 Yeah, point of information.43:34 So the ADUs, I think what you're looking at is if you just take the 101s, it's like roughly 10,000.43:39 So, so is it a 5,000 square foot lot?43:40 Is that— there's no minimum?43:41 There's no minimum?43:42 No, no, no, we were just saying that.43:44 I don't— so for the whole separate issue, so for the external, for the ADUs, there is no minimum requirement for lot size.43:50 So all single-family homes, as long as they can fit fit it on their lot can have an ADU.43:55 So if you're looking for the number, I, I'd have to go back to the paperwork, but I think it was like the single families were like 9,500, or so just rounded up to 10,000.44:04 So you could potentially have 10,000 ADUs out in the city.44:08 That doesn't go to the, you know, Raised Ranch apartments, right?44:12 The 3 townhomes.44:14 I appreciate that, Council.44:15 Thank you.44:17 All right, yeah, with that, I yield.44:18 Thank you.44:20 Anything further, Council State One?44:21 You good?44:21 Thank you.44:22 Anything further from anybody?44:23 Thank you very much.44:24 Thank you for coming down.44:25 Calling all other proponents wishing to speak on this item.44:31 Hearing none.44:32 Calling all opponents wishing to speak on this item.44:34 Calling all opponents.44:36 Hearing none.44:37 Is there a motion to close and adjourn?44:39 A public hearing has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Council Vice President Dion.44:44 Discussion?44:45 Hearing none, all those in favor?44:46 Aye.44:46 Opposed?44:47 The ayes have it.44:48 Motion to adjourn.44:48 Motion to adjourn has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.44:52 All those in favor?44:53 Aye.44:53 You guys have it.44:57 Barbour City Council Committee on Finance meeting will now be called to order.45:01 It is 6:46 on Tuesday, November 10th.45:04 Madam Clerk, roll call please.45:05 Councilor Cadime?45:06 Here.45:07 Camara?45:07 Here.45:08 Canuel?45:08 Here.45:09 Dion?45:09 Here.45:10 Hart?45:10 Here.45:11 Pekka.45:12 Here.45:12 Ferreira.45:13 Here.45:13 Raposo.45:14 Here.45:14 President Ponte.45:15 Here.45:15 Pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium.45:21 Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made, whether perceived or unperceived by those present, and are deemed acknowledged and permissible.45:29 First item, um, is going to be a, a couple of citations that are going to be given.45:34 I'm going to recognize actually one, only one this evening.45:37 Councilor proposo.45:48 Ken, you want to join me down here, please?45:50 Sorry.45:53 So in conjunction with the Veteran Service Officer, as well as, uh, Mr. Levesque, who's the Executive Director of the VABC, I'd like to recognize 2 individuals who serve a lot of time at the VABC for our veterans in our local community.46:08 So if I can call down Cindy Rodricks and Leo Zarleta, please.46:22 Thank you so much.46:24 Good evening to both of you.46:26 So I just have a short write-up to identify the public here.46:30 So Cindy is a proud surviving spouse of a veteran who exemplifies selfless service and unwavering dedication to our veteran community.46:37 Despite personal and physical challenges, she generously volunteers 4 days a week managing the coffee social lunchroom at the VABC.46:45 Through her warmth, compassion, and welcoming spirit, she creates an environment of camaraderie and belonging for veterans and their families.46:51 Her commitment extends beyond the facility through her participation in veterans events, and her devotion to her great-grandson, whom she proudly includes in activities with veterans.47:00 Her kindness, perseverance, and continued service embody the true spirit of community volunteerism.47:08 So on behalf of the City Council, we'd like to offer you an official citation.47:12 Be it known that the City Council extends its commendation to you in recognition for your volunteer work at the VABC 4 days a week, including managing the coffee social lunchroom, Your commitment extends beyond the facility through your participation in veterans events and your kindness, perseverance, and continued service embody the true spirit of community volunteerism.47:30 Be it known that the Fort Worth City Council extends best wishes for its continued success.47:34 The citation be entered into the records of the City Council, presented by myself, signed by the president on behalf of the entire City Council.47:40 Congratulations and thank you so much.47:47 And we have one more.47:49 Leo is the grandson of an Army war veteran and the son of a Vietnam War veteran, proudly carries forward his family's legacy of service through his unwavering commitment to our veteran community.47:58 Although physically unable to serve in the military, he demonstrates his dedication by volunteering 4 days a week at the VAPC.48:05 Despite personal and physical challenges, he tirelessly assists with food pantry operations, organizing supplies, and maintaining the rescue room.48:13 Known for his compassion, generosity, and ability to bring smiles to veterans, children and families alike.48:18 He exemplifies the true meaning of service, kindness, and community dedication.48:25 Sir, congratulations.48:26 Thank you very much.48:30 Mr. Levesque, would you like to add?48:32 Yeah, thank you.48:33 I just want to say thank you to these 2, part of our, our small team that we have.48:42 But Without these 2 and people like them, we couldn't do what we do at the VABC in taking care of the veterans every day.48:50 So thank you.48:52 I— like, these 2 are there every single day, and I think that needs to be said again because they don't get paid.49:01 They volunteer, and they're there every single day with a smile on their face to take care of the veterans.49:07 So thank you.49:35 Thank you, Leo.49:37 We need strong arms, and you got them, right?49:44 All right, um, next item on the agenda is, uh, citizens input.49:59 Nobody has signed up to speak.50:00 Speak at citizens' input today.50:02 Uh, next item is a resolution to convene to discuss developing a public, uh, portal providing access to the city's financial systems and data.50:12 It was adopted in September.50:14 It was introduced by Councilor in Seat 3, Councilor Canuel.50:17 Members of the administration, please come down.50:29 As you're doing that, the resolution reads for the public: Whereas residents of Fall River deserve clear, accessible, and user-friendly information regarding how municipal revenues are allocated and spent.50:38 Whereas other municipalities within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts provide interactive financial transparency tools that allow residents to search government spending by category, department, fund, vendor, and other relevant criteria.50:51 Now therefore be it resolved that the Committee on Finance convene with the city administrator, the director of financial services, and the director of management information systems to discuss the creation of a public-facing interactive financial transparency portal utilizing the city's existing financial systems and data, allowing residents to search and review spending by category, department, fund, vendor, and other relevant information.51:13 Be resolved that the administration provide frequent updates to the Committee on Finance regarding the development and the implementation implementation of the system.51:19 The councilor in seat 3 did introduce that resolution.51:22 Councilor, I'd like to acknowledge you first after I have the individuals at the table introduce themselves for the record.51:28 Emily Arpke, Director of Financial Services.51:31 Tyler Antea, Director of IT.51:33 Ian O'Neill, Sousa City Administrator.51:35 Councilor in seat 3, the sponsor of the resolution, Councilor Cantuwell.51:40 Thank you.51:41 So I think this, uh, I'm glad we're starting now because I know this will take some time to potentially implement.51:47 I think today I kind of wanted to outline what it is specifically I'm looking to replicate, which is the town of Arlington, Mass.'s financial portal they call Open Checkbook.51:59 They also use Munis.52:00 I think, Ms. Harpke, you and I had a very brief conversation where I mentioned this idea a few months ago.52:05 I think you mentioned there might be an add-on to Munis, maybe at a small cost, to potentially make this happen.52:13 Um, I think— is that correct?52:16 So yeah, yeah.52:17 Okay.52:18 So I think again I'm looking to replicate Town of Arlington.52:21 I know people talk about audits all the time.52:24 I think this is better than an audit because people will be able to go back and look at individual checks going out, who people are being paid, what it's for, what department, etc.52:35 So really I want to cover to match Arlington's.52:38 What would the timeline be What would the cost be?52:41 And then how far back can we go in terms of historical?52:45 So we did look into Arlington.52:46 Just speak into the microphone, please.52:47 I'm so sorry.52:47 Okay.52:48 So we did look into Arlington, and I believe you said New Bedford was using that OpenCheck.52:52 Yeah.52:53 So I guess just to take one step back, OpenCheckbook, they don't just call it that.52:56 That's a software.52:57 So that's a company.52:58 OpenCheckbook is an actual company's name and operation in that sense.53:02 The name just works really well with what it is.53:05 It's very obvious, but it is a specific software company.53:09 Sorry.53:10 So Arlington and New Bedford were both options.53:14 Another option we saw from Lexington, they were using what's called Open Finance, which is an add-on to our existing ERP.53:23 So just to go over some pricing, I didn't get anything for Open— with Open Checkbook.53:28 I couldn't find anything specifically online for it, so it's likely something we'd have to reach out to them vendor for?53:33 I do think it's similar to what we have for these other ones.53:35 So from my time at New Bedford, what we paid for it, I think it's a very similar price point.53:39 But, uh, so for the one from Munis, uh, you know, directly tied into our existing ERP, uh, Lexington quoted for $34,000 annually plus a $7,000 one-time implementation fee.53:52 Framingham had mentioned that they were using OpenGov as an existing integration into whatever their ERP is I couldn't find that information, but they were priced at $45,000 per year for that.54:06 In terms of creating our own system, I have already developed sort of an internal use budgeting system for my own personal use to keep track of my budget.54:17 It's funny that you brought this up because I was working with Emily to sort of make this a public-facing sort of utility.54:25 And I do have a link available for you if you wanted to test it out and give it like a quick look.54:29 I would love to.54:30 But, um, I am working with Emily just to make sure that, uh, some fields or information isn't going out there that shouldn't be.54:37 Yeah, so there's— to just kind of go through some of it.54:41 So like I said, when we were in New Bedford, they do use OpenCheckbook, so I am kind of familiar with how this all operates.54:46 Um, with those systems at this point, my understanding with almost all of this is that we're kind of pulling down the data from UNIS and uploading it periodically, so it's not like it's a day-to-day live situation that you'd be looking at in that sense.55:00 But we could go back given that, and we would just be updating it periodically to kind of update the information in there.55:07 With that being said, there was certain information that— some stuff like in claims and damages that we had been in, you know, there that I would suggest here is just scrubbing like a vendor name.55:17 So we would leave in there kind of what the amount is, and that it's in that category, and that would all be clear.55:22 But we would pull out the vendor name, because some of it may not be public record, and some of it likely is.55:27 But rather than sifting through every single transaction every time we do an upload, we would just pull it, and then all of that's still available through, you know, FOIA requests and stuff like that.55:35 But we would just safety net kind of pull some of that, just in those very specific categories that we would run through.55:42 But it would be very clear, you know, what was being pulled from that, and that it's still data that's available and exists.55:48 So just to be clear, vendor name would be available for most?55:51 Yeah, absolutely.55:52 Yeah, it's just certain things that certain categories, if there's certain payments that we have in there.55:56 I think one of the other ones is when somebody's out on medical leave.56:03 So again, some of that could technically be public, but rather than risking what's being shown in there, we would probably just pull it to be safe and then deal with that during a public records request at that point.56:12 Sure.56:13 So am I correct to interpret that, Tyler, with an internal tool there could potentially be no additional cost to do this?56:22 That's wonderful.56:24 What's the timeline?56:26 It's a good question.56:27 I do have to like mix it in with my other day-to-day director tasks.56:30 The app itself, it was something I did as a for-fun project at home, but you know, I would have to be working with Emily in this sense, so for us to carve out time.56:41 Yeah.56:41 I think that realistically in the next 2 months, I would say almost in the new year, we could have something.56:46 Again, whether it looks like what these companies that we would pay $40,000 to a year, it may not look exactly like that.56:52 I think from what I've seen, it doesn't look bad by any means, and it has a lot of the same functionalities, but I think it's something that we could turn that around quickly.57:00 Again, if we find kinks or whatever that may be, we would have to work through that, so that's The— I'm going to say the downside to saving money on that, which I think is well worth it, is that we may have to work through some kinks because we are developing it internally in that sense.57:12 So it just may not be a perfect smooth system that we can just call a vendor if there's a problem.57:16 But I think that it, it'd be well worth the savings and a quicker turnaround at this point.57:22 And then if that's not working, I think we could revisit our approach.57:26 But I think it's a good place to start.57:28 That sounds very reasonable to me.57:30 By Q1 at no cost is wonderful.57:33 Um, when should we check back in?57:36 The resolution called for frequent updates.57:38 You know, do we go 4 weeks out maybe or so, a couple meetings?57:42 I think that's up to you.57:43 I think, I think we have a link that we could share to even just see the initial thing with certain people that we could share in that sense for us to do the data and the upload.57:52 So I would say, you know, by the new year we should have something if you want to check just before then to see where we're at with it, or if you want to check just after that.57:59 But I, I can't tell you what that would— when you want to check back in.58:03 Now, just in terms of the upload, Tyler, can that be automated?58:06 Is there a way to just name the AI or require a manual upload from Munis?58:10 Setting up the report options is pretty straightforward, so the process in and of itself, I think, right, is less than like 5-10 minutes.58:17 Yeah, we talk about a manual upload, but you're talking about from downloading the report and re-uploading it?58:22 Solid 10 minutes if you wanted to be on the generous side.58:26 So it's not a quick thing, it's just something that has to be done, and it wouldn't be live at this point.58:31 But my understanding is a lot of these software— so OpenCheckbook is definitely not live either, so it's the same thing where you're uploading to it, so there's no difference.58:38 Yeah, I know Arlington, I think, is, uh, it's either sometimes a few days behind, I think it's pretty close.58:44 I mean, and we could do it more regularly than that, but you're talking about you know, staff time to do that that often.58:50 And again, just where we're at, we don't want to— we wouldn't want to commit to something that regular at this point just because of existing capacities already being— What's the regularity you could commit to?59:02 Weekly?59:03 Twice a week?59:05 3 times a week?59:08 I don't want to— I don't want to speak to that yet.59:09 I think that's something that could come in one of those further meetings.59:11 I think we can do more on our end to develop and and work through some of that before anything like that's committed to.59:17 I would say at the least monthly.59:20 That's fair.59:21 And I think in light of the holidays, as my colleague mentioned quietly to me, maybe we'll check in right after the New Year.59:26 Yeah, and I can send you that link maybe after like maybe a week of— Yeah, I think maybe sometime next week we could send you something to even start.59:34 And then if anybody wants it specifically right now, the way it's set up is it would have to be a shared link.59:39 Not everybody would just have access.59:40 So we're happy to share it with any of you.59:42 We just need to know who wants it.59:43 So thank you.59:45 Thank you.59:45 Councilman Seat 1, Councilor Liccardini.59:47 Thank you.59:49 I know more and more communities are doing it, so I absolutely support it.59:53 Um, one thing I will say is that I would stay away from Tyler Technologies, not Tyler.59:59 Um, I just don't like the products that Tyler puts out outside of Munis.1:00:03 I think every time that they sell something, there's always an issue.1:00:07 I guess with Tyler's app, my concern would be if Tyler leaves— not suggesting that he's going to leave— then goes, you know, the operation behind it.1:00:17 I personally would like to see, you know, whether it's, you know, the use of OpenGov or whatever it is.1:00:21 I know it's $40,000, but to me that makes more sense.1:00:24 I think it takes away the development of everything.1:00:28 We know we got that continuity.1:00:29 We're not relying on one individual.1:00:30 If there is any training that needs to be done, if there's any support, you know, you're calling somebody and you're getting that.1:00:35 So I think there's a lot to be said for that.1:00:38 So, um, that's what I would support.1:00:40 And we're a legislative body, we can't really dictate where, where you're going with that, but that's just from my standpoint.1:00:45 I will say I think he built it from a technology within the city, right?1:00:50 We— it's something that we already have and pay for, and it's something that's in there.1:00:52 So it is the city's in that sense.1:00:54 Um, we actually talked about me being able to go in and help do some of it.1:00:57 So I think, I think that it would be something that else could take on and manage.1:01:01 Obviously, I would hope that any IT director coming in could work in that, but that's assuming, right?1:01:08 Everybody has that assumption around here sometimes.1:01:10 But so in that sense, it is something we do own as a city.1:01:15 But I, but I think the other piece to it is, is that, you know, you've got a lot of— especially OpenGov.1:01:19 OpenGov is, is pretty, um, in tune with the fact that they're constantly looking to upgrade their their systems, so they're always taking feedback, so there's always updates.1:01:30 We would be relying on, obviously, Tyler to do it.1:01:32 Not saying he can't do it, I just think there's a lot of benefits that go into just having a company come in and new updates, new interfaces, or whatever the case may be.1:01:42 So, you know, we might not be thinking about something now that we might want to be able to have, give access to the public, right?1:01:48 And then, you know, maybe in a year we've got a new new system at no cost, obviously, with the, uh, with the subscription that we're paying for.1:01:56 But, um, that's just my take.1:01:59 I, I think that's anything, anything we can do for, for the transparency of it.1:02:02 I mean, I know we're not trying to hide anything from financial, uh, standpoint, and it's public record anyways.1:02:08 So if anybody puts in a public records request, they're going to get the Munis report.1:02:12 It's just, it's just access on the website.1:02:15 So I support it.1:02:16 I think it's a I think it's a great resolution.1:02:18 Um, you know, we can get it moving.1:02:20 I support that.1:02:21 I don't— yeah, I don't disagree with that.1:02:22 I think we did talk about even an outside thing.1:02:24 I think that right now with everything else, financial priorities and timing, I think it's best to do what we kind of have and then, and then go from there and explore the other options down the line.1:02:34 But I think this is something that we could at least do in the meantime and then go from there to make a decision to bring something else in if that was the case.1:02:41 I yield.1:02:41 Thank you, Councilman.1:02:43 Yeah, I agree with my colleague.1:02:45 I think it's a fabulous resolution, the idea.1:02:48 Is there a commitment on the mayor's side to go into this?1:02:51 Absolutely.1:02:52 I mean, financial transparency is something that the administration is totally supportive of.1:02:58 We did meet the other day to start talking about different types of software, whether it be OpenGov or the technology that Tyler has compatible to Munis.1:03:07 So I mean, there's a lot lot of things to take a look at.1:03:11 Tyler brought to our attention what he started just within his department, sort of kind of bring that out citywide.1:03:17 Of course, if we can save funds, great, but also you don't want to bog people down with a ton of work either if a lot has to be manually input and such.1:03:24 So there is a commitment to go forward with it, absolutely.1:03:28 Good.1:03:28 Yeah, I mean, I agree with Councilor Khadim in the sense that the in-house may be a concern, you know, if you transition out and someone else comes in who doesn't have that necessarily, doesn't understand that skill set.1:03:37 So would it be possible to get some sort of a presentation looking at the 3 possible options, the internal option and the other 2, and just kind of look at it the next time you bring this forward to the Committee on Finance?1:03:48 We can have that.1:03:49 So does that mean we don't want to just go forward with what we have right now to get that live and then work through those other options?1:03:54 I'm interested in learning what, what Tyler has put together, but I would also be interested in what the other 2 options have and what they give for the price point which they give, um, because it could very well offer more than what Tyler has, or vice versa.1:04:06 So I think a comprehensive presentation would be important to, uh, to move it forward as well.1:04:11 But I would be interested in seeing— so you can add me to that list of what you've developed.1:04:14 I'd like to see it myself as well.1:04:16 I yield.1:04:16 Thank you, Councilman.1:04:17 Seat 3, Councilor Canuel.1:04:18 Thank you.1:04:18 I hear what my colleague in CD is saying.1:04:20 I think my preference would be, given they told us they could have this in a couple months at no cost, I think I would love to see them move forward with that effort, get this off the ground, and then we can look at what we have.1:04:32 And then at that point, maybe a presentation to see what other options are available and what they would additionally potentially offer and at what cost.1:04:42 I think that— I think if we're talking about presentation, we're looking at, you know, probably something in the new year when we could have this product in the new year.1:04:52 Already.1:04:52 So that would be my preference.1:04:54 Thank you.1:04:54 Thank you, Councilman C1.1:04:56 So can you just help me understand in terms of the implementation?1:04:59 So we, we have OpenGov, right?1:05:01 Yeah, but not this.1:05:02 We would need a whole software.1:05:03 No, I, I get that.1:05:05 So, but OpenGov is already tying into, to Mina.1:05:08 You don't do the OpenGov budget for permitting?1:05:11 No, no, for, for the permits.1:05:12 For the permits.1:05:13 Yeah, it doesn't link in in that way.1:05:14 What we're getting is daily reports of the deposits and stuff like that that we're uploading.1:05:18 It's not a direct Right.1:05:20 So, but you're uploading, right?1:05:22 So, that's all that's going to be, right?1:05:24 So, it's going to be a software package that links to the website, and you're still going to have to manually upload, similar to what you've got for the OpenGov.1:05:29 So, I can't imagine that that's going to be a whole lot of legwork to get.1:05:33 It's just getting set up with them, and I don't know what it takes to build out their specs.1:05:37 I know that all of these, even the licensing and all of the stuff that we do with permitting, every time we've added on a new module and built it, it still takes a couple of months of implementation, even though a lot of it's similar.1:05:46 If it's not the same, where they're implementing, we're having meetings, we're going back and forth, and there's always implementation costs.1:05:52 Just because at this rate, I guess I recognize that.1:05:55 I would recognize with the, you know, the permitting, right, the online permitting, because you needed to build all the permits from scratch.1:06:02 So all the fire department licensing permits, the liquor licenses, building permits, health— I get that.1:06:07 So this, I mean, they've got a module that's just a checkbook, right?1:06:11 So, and I'm not trying to make it seem easier than what it is.1:06:14 I'm not the IT person, but they've got a module that's an open checkbook.1:06:18 They've already— it's compatible with Munis, so I would imagine it's really just a plug and play.1:06:26 We can have that conversation with that company, and at that point, that's, I guess, what I was trying to figure out.1:06:30 We can have those conversations and go forward with exploring what these options are, looking at price quotes and figuring out what implementation implementation timelines are, but I just am trying to make sure that we're dedicating our time either towards that or something.1:06:42 Point of order, Mr. President.1:06:43 Point of order.1:06:44 Tyler is the IT person.1:06:46 I can appreciate what you're saying, Emily, but I'd like to hear what Tyler says because I don't think it's that big of a deal to interface.1:06:53 So we're talking about OpenGov for the budgeting and transparency, which is a completely separate module from the permitting and licensing.1:07:02 Our integration right now with the budgeting, permitting and licensing to Munis is just that single file.1:07:08 Going and adding on this whole budgeting and transparency is a bigger handshake to Munis than just what permitting and licensing is right now.1:07:19 We would still probably have to go through all of the accounts to make sure that they're all lined up and lining up in the department, so it— I do believe the timeline for implementing the OpenGov version would still be pretty lengthy.1:07:36 Okay.1:07:42 Maybe— I don't know.1:07:43 I had a conversation with OpenGov.1:07:44 They didn't make it seem like it was that extensive.1:07:47 I just— I don't care what we do.1:07:50 This is the legislative branch, so I'm not trying to tell you guys, folks, what to do.1:07:54 I just, for one, if I had a vote, I would be telling you that I would want to do an outside company and let's just get it done right.1:08:00 And I think it can happen sooner than later.1:08:02 That's just my take.1:08:03 With that, I yield.1:08:04 I agree.1:08:05 Any— Councilman Seedate, Councilor Raposo?1:08:07 Yeah, I guess, Tyler, I guess I want to ask more about the plugin that goes directly to Munis.1:08:11 So, so you're telling me that that plugin would still have to require a manual upload?1:08:17 So you're talking about the OpenGov budgeting and transparency?1:08:20 No, the other one that is directly connected, it's another Munis product, correct?1:08:25 The Tyler Technologies one?1:08:26 Correct.1:08:27 The Open Finance, assumingly, yeah, there wouldn't really be any setup.1:08:32 I'm sure that you would still have to go through accounts, making sure everything's lined up.1:08:36 But yeah, that one would be almost instantaneous, I would assume, other than just verifying the public portal is totally— Yeah, and what's the price line on that, price cost on that?1:08:45 So this is from Lex and tenants was $34,000 annually and a one-time of $7,000.1:08:51 Okay.1:08:51 So, and again, that's assuming that all the Munis categories are correct, cleaned up at this point, which I know, well, that's another conversation for another day.1:09:01 But I guess I'm stuck on the fact that it's not automated.1:09:04 That one potentially is.1:09:06 Yeah.1:09:07 Munis is probably automated.1:09:07 I haven't seen that one myself.1:09:09 I don't think any of us have.1:09:10 I've only worked with OpenGov for on the transparency side, on the budgeting transparency side tool, not here, and then OpenCheckbook.1:09:18 So I only know how those ones work.1:09:19 I haven't seen how Munis works in that sense to know what that interface looks like.1:09:24 I just have no experience with it, and at this point neither does Tyler.1:09:27 So we can go down that route with them, we just haven't.1:09:29 Yeah, I don't, honestly, I don't like the idea of a manual upload anyway, because again, to the conversation of the finance team being stretched thin, we can eliminate that problem right off the bat.1:09:38 Make it automated.1:09:39 And if it's something that integrates already into our Munis system, then it's done.1:09:44 You just essentially have to pay for it and let it, let it do its job.1:09:48 So that's my point.1:09:49 I yield.1:09:49 Thank you.1:09:49 Just out of curiosity, as a point of information, are you trying to build your own in-house system through an AI cloud code with Supabase and Vercel and some of those?1:09:59 So it's an AI-assisted, uh, with an AI code base that, um, would be backed by AWS or something along those lines?1:10:05 Is that what you're trying to do internally so that the city doesn't have to pay the one-time fees in the subscription?1:10:11 Correct.1:10:12 I see.1:10:12 But it's also something he already had built for his own internal department use.1:10:16 I get it.1:10:17 I just— hearing what the councillors are having to say, we have a split verdict here that some people want to see it be done correctly with modules that are already attached to something like Munis versus building something from scratch that is, is dependable on one person.1:10:30 So it is what it is.1:10:33 I own a tech company, so I have a a little bit of an understanding.1:10:35 Councilman Sayed, you still have the floor.1:10:36 Yeah, and it goes back to this idea, it doesn't matter if you transition out, if she transitions out, whoever transitions out, the process will continue and it will never really run into any sort of service interruption because it's automated versus, you know, no disrespect to you, Tyler, but you leave or another software that doesn't directly connect to what we already use, we might as well just stick to what we have and if it does its job correctly and reports what we wanted to report for transparency's sake, then so be it.1:11:04 Yeah, I mean, well, for, you know, taking the, the load off of me, um, obviously I was just presenting options here, you know, making something while I'm still, while I'm still here for free.1:11:14 Um, and then in the event that I do leave, um, transitioning to this other— you should sell it to us.1:11:21 I mean, that's always a possibility, I guess.1:11:23 Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it was City Products.1:11:26 We already own it.1:11:27 Yeah, yeah, I would, I would imagine, um, if you were to leave, theoretically, we'd have to be back at square one and having this conversation about which company to go with anyway.1:11:37 So I mean, $40,000 for a year, sure, appreciate that.1:11:40 Sure, I yield.1:11:42 Any, uh, Councilman Siegfried, Councilor Cano?1:11:45 Thank you.1:11:46 Is this something that you have other members in your department— is this something that you could potentially cross-train them on how to do?1:11:53 Yeah, so one of my new hires, actually, TJ Sullivan, he was the previous GIS guy for engineering.1:11:59 He's proven himself to be really capable in a lot of things, and a lot of the open gov permitting licensing that I was doing solely by myself, I've started to hand off to him.1:12:10 So I have gotten him involved in a couple of the projects that I've been working on.1:12:14 I mean, I think that would— if you were to train others in your department on how to do this, That would alleviate the continuity concerns.1:12:20 I'm very gung-ho for a recurring no-cost versus, you know, $34,000 per year plus the $7,000.1:12:31 I think, you know, as my councillor in seat 6 often says, you know, we don't have a nickel to spend, right?1:12:37 So I think taking the no-cost option and riding that as long as we can with— while training, cross-training other people so that if you did leave, someone else is capable of doing it and you could continue that process.1:12:51 Just to cover, is it going to— does your software have a vendor?1:12:59 Print out if you want to see.1:13:00 I just want to go through the key ones that— yes, it has everything that you've listed.1:13:04 So again, we can show you and go through that detail, I think, in that point.1:13:07 But it, to me, when I looked at the interface, it looks Yeah, so vendor, department, amount, payment date, description, fiscal year, and the fund.1:13:15 If we're going to have that, that's the same as what we would get for $40K to start this year.1:13:21 So, um, that's my preference.1:13:24 And I would say cross-train somebody else so that if you do leave, someone else can continue that.1:13:28 And then with that, I yield.1:13:29 All right, thank you.1:13:30 Hearing no further discussion before this council, is there a motion on the table?1:13:34 Motion at table made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Canuel.1:13:38 All those in favor?1:13:39 Opposed?1:13:40 The ayes have it.1:13:41 Motion to adjourn finance.1:13:42 Motion made by Councilor— seconded by Council Vice President Dion.1:13:46 All those in favor?1:13:46 Opposed?1:13:47 The ayes have it.1:14:21 For a city council meeting will now be called to order.1:14:23 Madam Clerk, roll call please.1:14:24 Councilor Spadini.1:14:25 Here.1:14:26 Camara.1:14:27 Here.1:14:27 Canuel.1:14:28 Here.1:14:28 Dionne?1:14:29 Here.1:14:29 Hart?1:14:29 Here.1:14:30 Peckham?1:14:31 Here.1:14:31 Pereira?1:14:32 Here.1:14:32 Raposo?1:14:33 Here.1:14:33 President Ponte?1:14:34 Here.1:14:34 And for the record, let the record reflect this meeting was called to order at 7:15 on November 10th.1:14:39 I ask everybody in the chamber to please rise for a moment of silent prayer, asking that the community and the council keep in mind direct HR Director McEleney and his family.1:14:50 They did lose somebody in their family, so please keep them in, in your thoughts.1:14:54 Also, our colleague, Councilor Canuel, had lost his grandfather, Rainey Canuel, just yesterday.1:15:00 So please keep Councilor Canuel and his family in your thoughts and prayers.1:15:10 Thank you.1:15:10 And a salute to the flag.1:15:12 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.1:15:20 Invisible liberty and justice for all.1:15:23 Pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium.1:15:30 Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made, whether perceived or unperceived by those present, and are deemed acknowledged and permissible.1:15:38 Madam Clerk, good evening.1:15:39 Good evening, Mr. President.1:15:41 The first item before you is a communication from the mayor and a request for the confirmation of the appointment of Grace Sharon to the Library Board of Trustees.1:15:49 Motion to confirm.1:15:49 Second.1:15:50 Motion to confirm the appointment has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:15:54 Discussion?1:15:55 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:15:56 Aye.1:15:57 Opposed?1:15:58 The ayes have it.1:15:59 Item 2 is a communication from the mayor and 2 orders.1:16:04 The first order is for $425,000 in grant funding from the Park Grant Program for the construction of Mace Playground.1:16:12 A motion to adopt.1:16:13 Second.1:16:13 Motion to adopt has been moved by Councilor Peckham, Seconded by Councilor Hart.1:16:17 Is there discussion?1:16:18 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:16:19 Aye.1:16:20 Opposed?1:16:21 The ayes have it.1:16:22 And item B is a resolution indicating that an appropriation of over $1 million will be allocated for the construction of Mace Playground from various sources.1:16:33 Motion to adopt.1:16:34 Motion to adopt has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Cannuel.1:16:38 Is there discussion?1:16:40 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:16:41 Aye.1:16:41 Opposed?1:16:42 The ayes have it.1:16:44 Item 3 is a communication from the mayor and the loan order for Phase 25 of the water system's improvements in the amount of $2.5 million.1:16:52 Motion to authorize it to be published and referred to the Committee on Finance.1:16:55 Motion to authorize the item to be published and referred to the Committee on Finance has been made by Councilor Canuel, seconded by Councilor Raposo.1:17:01 Is there discussion?1:17:03 Councilman Seedate?1:17:03 Councilor Raposo?1:17:04 My only request is when, when this gets to Finance, can Mr. Furlan give us a report on what has been done at this point as far as lead service removals.1:17:12 Madam Clerk and team, if you could please indicate that to Mr. Ferland so he's prepared enough time for when we have this in Committee on Finance.1:17:18 Thank you.1:17:19 Thank you.1:17:19 Hearing no further discussions, all those in favor?1:17:21 Aye.1:17:21 Opposed?1:17:22 The ayes have it.1:17:23 Would you like a roll call?1:17:24 We need a roll call.1:17:25 We actually— yeah, let's do a roll call.1:17:27 Roll call, Madam Clerk.1:17:28 Councilor Cadime?1:17:29 Yes.1:17:30 Camara?1:17:30 Yes.1:17:31 Canuel?1:17:31 Yes.1:17:32 Dion?1:17:32 Yes.1:17:33 Hart?1:17:33 Yes.1:17:34 Peckham?1:17:34 Yes.1:17:35 Pereira?1:17:35 Yes.1:17:36 Raposo?1:17:36 Yes.1:17:37 President?1:17:37 Yes.1:17:38 Motion carries 9 yeas.1:17:40 Item 4 is a communication from the mayor in an order increasing the spending limit of the police cruiser revolving fund from $80,000 to $110,000 for fiscal year '27.1:17:50 Motion to adopt.1:17:51 Seconded.1:17:51 Motion to adopt has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Hart.1:17:55 Is there discussion?1:17:56 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:17:58 Aye.1:17:58 Opposed?1:17:59 The ayes have it.1:18:01 Item 5 is a communication from the mayor in an order declaring the Pearl Street parking garage located at 1 Pearl Street surplus property.1:18:08 Motion to refer to real estate— motion to refer to the real estate committee's facilities and housing subcommittee has been made by Councilor Vice President Dion, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:18:19 Discussion?1:18:20 Councilor in seat 7, Councilor Pereira.1:18:22 I just have a question.1:18:23 Is the bid going there as well?1:18:25 So we don't have a bid.1:18:27 I got a call later on late this afternoon from the clerk's office asking that the agenda get amended.1:18:34 I said no, I'm not amending the agenda an hour before, 2 hours before the meeting.1:18:38 I found it to be appropriate that the item is already getting referred to the real estate subcommittee.1:18:43 The subcommittee could establish such and refer it back to the city council just like we would through an ordinance or something along those lines.1:18:49 So because we don't propose repair ordinances here.1:18:52 It goes through the committee, the committee does its work, and can send it up to full council, in my opinion.1:18:57 So I wasn't amending the agenda.1:18:58 We have plenty of time to get stuff to the city council.1:19:01 So if the ordinance committee hears it on the real estate, I think next week, then it would come back to us with the bid?1:19:08 If— I mean, anything could happen, as you know, Councilor.1:19:11 If the committee decides they don't want to— they want to kill it, or they want to vet it, or they want to reject proposals, it can do it then.1:19:17 It can bring back the bid.1:19:18 That's, that's my position.1:19:20 Yeah.1:19:22 Is there anything— you yield, Councilor?1:19:24 I yield.1:19:24 Thank you.1:19:24 Is there any further discussion?1:19:27 Hearing no further discussion, the motion to refer the item to the Committee on Real Estate Facilities and Housing has been made and seconded.1:19:33 Hearing no further discussions, all those in favor?1:19:35 Opposed?1:19:36 The ayes have it.1:19:38 Item 6 is a communication from the mayor regarding a future presentation for renovation updates For the Third Street parking garage.1:19:45 Motion referred to the Committee on Finance.1:19:47 Motion referred the item to the Committee on Finance has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Raposo.1:19:52 Discussion?1:19:53 Councilor Seedate?1:19:54 Councilor Raposo?1:19:55 So when this gets to Finance, I, I know we were invited to go into meetings regarding this information.1:20:01 I would really want a deeper dive on this because I left honestly with more questions than I had answers for this presentation.1:20:07 So in preparation to the administration, if they can give some some additional information on the, on the timeline of the 3rd Street parking garage, how it ended up at this point, where we're at, and where we're looking at the future, that would be great.1:20:18 I mean, I, I see the presentation in the packet.1:20:20 I already saw it the other day, but I think there's more to be said on this.1:20:23 So if the administration can prepare, that would be great.1:20:25 Understood.1:20:25 Thank you.1:20:26 Councilman Seat 4, Council Vice President Dionne.1:20:28 Yeah, again, we have a real estate meeting next Tuesday, uh, the 17th, and both Pearl Street and 3rd Street are on that agenda.1:20:37 Um, so we're going to be taking as deep a dive as we can, and we will make sure all that is forwarded also to the full council after the meeting so that, um, hopefully we're all aware of all aspects and all issues, um, and we can all make an educated and good decision on what we're doing moving forward.1:21:03 With that, I yield.1:21:04 Thank you.1:21:04 I just want to commend you and your committee.1:21:06 You guys have picked up quite a bit more this term than you have recently when we renamed the committee and whatnot.1:21:13 So I want to, I want to commend you and Councilor Hart and Councilor Kadim for your work you're doing in that committee, because I don't want to say that committee was dormant for a while, but it really only saw transactional type things.1:21:24 And the work that you've done with members of the council, I think, is noteworthy.1:21:27 So I want to commend you just from my standpoint.1:21:29 Thank you.1:21:30 Definitely a team effort.1:21:31 Yeah, thank you.1:21:32 Hearing no further discussion, motion to refer the item to the Committee on Finance has been made and seconded.1:21:37 Hearing no further discussions, all those in favor?1:21:40 Opposed?1:21:40 The ayes have it.1:21:41 Item 7 is the fiscal year 2027 quarter 1 budget report.1:21:46 Motion to refer the item to the Committee on Finance has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Cannuel.1:21:51 Discussion?1:21:52 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:21:54 Opposed?1:21:54 The ayes have it.1:21:56 Item 8 is recommendations from the Traffic Commission for traffic ordinances.1:22:00 Motion referred to the, uh, Committee on Ordinances and Legislation has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:22:07 Is there discussion?1:22:08 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:22:09 Aye.1:22:09 Opposed?1:22:10 The ayes have it.1:22:11 Item 9 is a communication from the Board of Assessors and the orders establishing the fiscal year 2027 tax factor and tax levy.1:22:20 Accept and place on file the communication and adopt the orders.1:22:24 Motion to accept the item, place the communication on file, and adopt the orders has been made by Council Vice President Dion, seconded by Councilor Hart.1:22:32 Roll call.1:22:34 So roll call for the first order with a residential tax factor of 85.5593.1:22:41 Is that correct?1:22:44 That's at the 1.75 shift.1:22:46 1.75.1:22:47 Yep.1:22:47 As long as it's the 1.75 shift.1:22:49 Yep.1:22:50 Councilor Skadeem?1:22:51 Yes.1:22:52 Camara?1:22:52 Yes.1:22:53 Canuel?1:22:54 Yes.1:22:55 Dion?1:22:55 Yes.1:22:56 Hart?1:22:56 Yes.1:22:57 Peckham?1:22:57 No.1:22:59 Pereira?1:23:00 Yes.1:23:01 Raposo?1:23:01 Yes.1:23:02 President Baty?1:23:03 Yes.1:23:04 Motion carries, 8 yeas, 1 nay.1:23:08 And the second order establishes the local tax levies for the residential factor.1:23:14 It's at 71.745 53, commercial 12.4495, industrial 8.0323, and personal property 7.7728.1:23:27 These numbers also reflective of the 1.75 tax shift.1:23:32 Motion, motion to adopt.1:23:36 Motion to adopt has been made and seconded.1:23:38 Hearing no further discussions, roll call.1:23:40 Councilor Skadeem?1:23:41 Yes.1:23:42 Camara?1:23:42 Yes.1:23:43 Canuel?1:23:44 Yes.1:23:45 Dion?1:23:45 Yes.1:23:46 Hart?1:23:46 Yes.1:23:47 Peckham?1:23:47 No.1:23:48 Pereira?1:23:49 Yes.1:23:49 Raposo?1:23:50 Yes.1:23:50 President Ponte?1:23:51 Yes.1:23:52 Motion carries 8 yeas, 1 nay.1:23:54 Take items 10 to 12 together.1:23:58 Second.1:24:00 Motion to take items 10 through 12 together after reading has been made by Councilor Pereira, seconded by Councilor Raposo.1:24:05 All those in favor?1:24:06 Aye.1:24:06 Opposed?1:24:07 The ayes have it.1:24:09 Motion to accept to place on file would be appropriate items 10, 11, and 12 has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Pereira.1:24:16 Discussion?1:24:17 Hearing none.1:24:18 All those in favor?1:24:19 Aye.1:24:19 Opposed?1:24:20 The ayes have it.1:24:21 Madam Clerk, just read them for the record.1:24:22 And those resolutions were for Cindy Rodriguez, volunteer of the Veterans Association of Bristol County, for Leo Zarlinga, also the same type of volunteer, and Robert Bob Alvin, who's celebrating uh, its 35th anniversary of Straight Shooters Family Billiards.1:24:40 Item 13 is a joint own pool, uh, location, um, at Ellis Street.1:24:45 Motion to take items 13 through 17 together.1:24:47 Motion to take items 13 through 17 together has been made by Councilor Canuel.1:24:52 Is there a second?1:24:53 Second.1:24:53 Seconded by Councilor Pereira.1:24:54 Discussion?1:24:55 Hearing none.1:24:56 All those in favor?1:24:57 Aye.1:24:57 Councilor in seat 8, you have your point, your hand up.1:24:59 The 7 Number 17, do we have to split that up because of the— you do, actually.1:25:03 Yeah, let's do 13 through 16 if you can correct that, Councilor.1:25:06 Sure.1:25:07 Motion to take items 13 through 16 has been made by Councilor Canuel, seconded by Councilor Raposo.1:25:12 Discussion?1:25:13 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:25:14 Aye.1:25:15 Opposed?1:25:15 The ayes have it.1:25:16 Madam Clerk, items 13 through 16.1:25:18 Motion to adopt after reading items 13 through 16 has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Pereira.1:25:24 Discussion?1:25:25 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:25:27 Aye.1:25:27 Opposed?1:25:28 The ayes have it.1:25:28 Madam Clerk.1:25:29 So item 13 is for Ellis Street.1:25:31 Item 14 is for a joint-owned pole location on Weedamo Street.1:25:37 Item 15 is an auto repair shop license at 1904 Bay Street for Auto Care Plus LLC.1:25:44 Item 16 is also an auto repair shop license for Brian S. Vieira, 5 Laurel Street, and that's Amy's Auto Repair think.1:25:58 So for item 17, uh, we did receive a payment from several of these, um, permit holders.1:26:05 Um, the only, um, permits that are due to be, uh, revoked at the moment are the ones for 300 Wigan Back Road.1:26:13 Motion to adopt.1:26:15 Motion, uh, for revocation for the permit for storage of Inflammables for lack of payment would be for 300 Reagan Back Road LLC, correct, Madam Clerk?1:26:23 Yes.1:26:23 If I could have permission to first to amend and then to adopt as amended.1:26:28 Motion to amend has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Pereira.1:26:32 Discussion?1:26:33 Hearing none.1:26:33 All those in favor?1:26:34 Aye.1:26:34 Opposed?1:26:36 The ayes have it.1:26:36 Motion to amend— motion to adopt as amended has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:26:42 Discussion?1:26:43 Hearing none.1:26:44 All those in favor?1:26:45 Aye.1:26:45 Opposed?1:26:46 The ayes have it.1:26:47 Item 18 is a curb removal of 72 feet on— at 11 Dyer Street.1:26:52 Motion to refer to Public Works and Transportation.1:26:55 The referral takes precedence.1:26:56 Motion to refer to what, Councilor?1:26:59 Public Works and Transportation has been made by Councilor Canuel, seconded by Council Vice President Dion.1:27:04 Discussion?1:27:05 Councilor in seat 1, Councilor Ganim.1:27:07 Councilor in seat 3, why are we referring?1:27:09 This is a rather large opening that they're proposing, 72 feet, where they currently have no opening.1:27:14 I'd like to see more about this plan in here directly from the owner.1:27:19 Understood.1:27:20 Council, are you satisfied with that?1:27:23 Yeah.1:27:23 Council Vice President Dionne, if people weren't, I was going to add to it the fact that we really don't know what's going in, why that, why that is necessary.1:27:31 Are there duplexes?1:27:32 Are they single homes?1:27:33 Is it an entry and an exit they need?1:27:35 There's just questions, uh, to be asked.1:27:38 With that, I yield.1:27:39 Thank you.1:27:39 Motion to refer to the Committee on Public Works and Transportation has been made and seconded.1:27:43 Hearing no further discussions, all those in favor?1:27:45 Aye.1:27:45 Opposed?1:27:46 The ayes have it.1:27:47 Item 19 is the police chief's report on licenses.1:27:50 Motion to adopt.1:27:51 Motion to adopt the police chief's report has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor, uh, Canuel.1:27:56 Discussion?1:27:57 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:27:58 Aye.1:27:58 Opposed?1:27:59 The ayes have it.1:28:00 Item 20 is a light order at 123 Tui Street, poll number 4.1:28:04 Motion to adopt.1:28:05 Second.1:28:05 Motion to adopt the 123 Tui Street poll has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Hart.1:28:11 Discussion?1:28:12 Hearing none.1:28:13 All those in favor?1:28:14 Aye.1:28:14 Opposed?1:28:15 The ayes have it.1:28:15 Item 21 is a number of claims.1:28:17 Motion to refer to Corporation Council.1:28:18 Motion to refer the item to Corporation Council, made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Raposo.1:28:23 Discussion?1:28:24 Hearing none.1:28:24 All those in favor?1:28:25 Aye.1:28:25 Opposed?1:28:26 The ayes have it.1:28:27 Item 22 is a communication from an Everett resident regarding pawnbroker licensing compliance.1:28:33 Motion?1:28:33 Second?1:28:34 Motion to accept the item and place it on file has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:28:39 Discussion?1:28:40 Hearing none.1:28:40 All those in favor?1:28:41 Opposed?1:28:42 The ayes have it.1:28:44 Item 23 is an application for structures on or over a public way for the Greater Fall River Recreation's annual children's holiday parade.1:28:53 It's for 2 banners to be hung up until December 17th on Bedford Street and South Main Street.1:28:59 Motion to approve.1:29:00 Motion to approve the banner has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Raposo.1:29:03 Discussion?1:29:04 Councilor in seat 8.1:29:05 Councilor Raposo.1:29:06 Am I crazy?1:29:07 Is it already up?1:29:08 Is it— is the banner already up?1:29:09 I haven't seen it.1:29:11 I haven't seen it.1:29:11 Okay.1:29:12 Unless I'm losing my mind.1:29:12 I haven't seen it.1:29:14 I'll yield.1:29:14 It is up.1:29:15 It is up.1:29:15 It's up.1:29:16 All right.1:29:17 Thanks to me.1:29:19 How does that work?1:29:20 No.1:29:21 Yeah, no, I don't want to do it.1:29:23 Just curious, how does that work?1:29:25 We fine them like the curb cuts.1:29:28 Yeah.1:29:28 All right.1:29:29 Motion to approve has been made and seconded.1:29:32 Hearing no further discussions, all those in favor?1:29:35 Opposed?1:29:36 The ayes have it.1:29:38 Item 24 is for Zoning Board of Appeals minutes for September 17th.1:29:43 Motion to accept and place on file has been made by Councilor Pereira, seconded by Councilor Kadim.1:29:48 Discussion?1:29:48 Hearing none.1:29:49 All those in favor?1:29:50 Opposed?1:29:51 The ayes have it.1:29:52 Take items 25 to 30.1:29:54 Motion to take items 25 through 30 together has been made by Councilor Pereira, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:29:59 Discussion?1:30:00 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:30:01 Aye.1:30:02 Opposed?1:30:03 The ayes have it.1:30:04 Is there a motion?1:30:06 Motion to approve has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Vice President Dion.1:30:10 Discussion?1:30:11 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:30:13 Aye.1:30:13 Opposed?1:30:14 The ayes have it.1:30:15 Uh, Madam Clerk, just read them for the record.1:30:17 Those items are City Council minutes for public hearings held on October 13th and October 27th, Committee on Finance, and the regular meeting of the City Council also held on those dates.1:30:28 Item 31 is a notice of casualty and loss for 69 Hill Street.1:30:33 Motion to accept.1:30:34 Second.1:30:34 Motion to accept and place on file has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:30:38 Discussion?1:30:39 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:30:40 Opposed?1:30:41 The ayes have it.1:30:43 Item 32 is also the same type of notice for 26 Rodman Street.1:30:47 Motion to accept and place on file has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:30:53 Discussion?1:30:54 Councilor in seat 8.1:30:55 Councilor Raposo.1:30:56 So that— this particular one is part of that fire that happened on South Main and Rodman.1:30:59 Can we get an update from the administration on what the status of that property is?1:31:03 Because it's quite a mess still.1:31:05 So I'm just curious what the timeline is and where we're at.1:31:07 So I would, I would ask, um, since the Real Estate Committee kind of has, uh, their purview to ask questions on any real estate type, uh, items, I would urge you to speak to the chair and ask if she could discuss that at her meeting next week, and maybe you can get an update from the administration then, because that committee has the ability to ask about any city-owned businesses at any time for any reason, even if it is owned or isn't owned by the city.1:31:30 So be it.1:31:31 And that's a tax, if you don't mind.1:31:33 So I have no problem doing that.1:31:34 I will add it to the list.1:31:36 Thank you, ma'am.1:31:36 Appreciate it.1:31:37 Hearing no further discussion, motion to accept and place on file has been made and seconded.1:31:41 All those in favor?1:31:42 Aye.1:31:42 Opposed?1:31:43 The ayes have it.1:31:43 Would you like a copy to be sent to the Real Estate Committee so that the item can be heard?1:31:48 That'd probably be appropriate.1:31:49 Just to play it safe in case we forget.1:31:51 Motion to refer the Notice of casualty and loss of 26 Rodman Street has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Canuel.1:31:58 Discussion?1:31:59 Hearing none.1:32:00 All those in favor?1:32:00 Aye.1:32:01 Opposed?1:32:01 The ayes have it.1:32:02 Madam Clerk.1:32:02 Wonderful.1:32:03 Thank you.1:32:07 Committee on Ordinances and Legislation, at a meeting held on November 10th, 2026, voted unanimously to recommend the accompanying proposed ordinance, accompanied by an emergency preamble, be passed through first reading, second reading, pass to be enrolled, and pass to be ordained.1:32:21 This is a proposed ordinance for handicap parking.1:32:24 Motion to adopt emergency preamble.1:32:25 Second.1:32:26 Motion to adopt the emergency preamble has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:32:30 Discussion?1:32:31 Hearing none, roll call.1:32:33 Councilor Cadime?1:32:34 Yes.1:32:34 Camara?1:32:35 Yes.1:32:36 Canuel?1:32:36 Yes.1:32:37 Dion?1:32:37 Yes.1:32:38 Hart?1:32:38 Yes.1:32:39 Peckham?1:32:39 Yes.1:32:40 Pereira?1:32:41 Yes.1:32:41 Raposo?1:32:42 Yes.1:32:42 President Ponte?1:32:43 Yes.1:32:44 Motion to pass through all readings.1:32:45 Motion so made has been made by Councilor Peckham, seconded by Councilor Raposo.1:32:48 Discussion?1:32:49 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:32:50 Aye.1:32:51 Opposed?1:32:51 The ayes have it.1:32:54 The Committee on Ordinances and Legislation, at a meeting held on November 10th, 2026, voted unanimously to recommend the accompanying proposed ordinance be passed through first reading.1:33:03 This is a proposed, uh, traffic ordinance for Fifth Street for 15 minutes of parking.1:33:08 Motion to pass the first reading.1:33:10 Motion to pass the item through first reading has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Hart.1:33:15 Discussion?1:33:16 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:33:17 Aye.1:33:18 Opposed?1:33:19 The ayes have it.1:33:20 The Committee on Ordinances and Legislation, at a meeting held on November 10th, 2026, voted unanimously to recommend the accompanying proposed ordinance be passed through first reading.1:33:30 This is also a proposed traffic ordinance for 10th Street for loading zones.1:33:34 Motion to pass through first reading.1:33:35 Second.1:33:37 Motion to pass the item through first reading has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Pereira.1:33:41 Discussion?1:33:42 Hearing none.1:33:43 All those in favor?1:33:44 Aye.1:33:44 Opposed?1:33:45 The ayes have it.1:33:47 The Committee on Ordinances and Legislation, at a meeting held on November 10th, 2026, voted unanimously to recommend the accompanying proposed ordinance be passed through first reading.1:33:56 These are, um, handicap parking strikeouts.1:33:58 Motion to pass through first reading.1:34:00 Motion to pass the item through first reading has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Peckham.1:34:04 Discussion?1:34:05 Hearing none.1:34:06 All those in favor?1:34:06 Aye.1:34:07 Opposed?1:34:08 The ayes have it.1:34:09 The Committee on Ordinances and Legislation, at a meeting held on November 10th, voted 5 yeas to recommend the accompanying proposed ordinance be passed through first reading.1:34:17 This is a proposed ordinance for the relocation of the Chief of Staff office position from a contract position to an annual salary position.1:34:27 Motion to pass through first reading has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Canuel.1:34:32 Is there discussion?1:34:34 Hearing none, roll call on referring the item for first reading.1:34:38 Councilor Skadeem?1:34:39 Yes.1:34:40 Camara?1:34:41 Yes.1:34:41 Canuel?1:34:42 Yes.1:34:43 Dion?1:34:43 Yes.1:34:44 Hart?1:34:44 Yes.1:34:46 Peckham?1:34:46 Yes.1:34:47 Pereira?1:34:47 Yes.1:34:48 Raposo?1:34:49 Yes.1:34:50 President Ponte?1:34:50 Yes.1:34:51 Motion carries 9-8.1:34:53 I just thought there was opposition.1:34:54 Why'd we do a roll call?1:34:55 Because I thought there could have been opposition.1:34:58 The Committee on Ordinances and Legislation, at a meeting held on November 10th, 2026, Voted unanimously to recommend the accompanying proposed ordinance be passed through first reading.1:35:07 This is a traffic ordinance for King Street, parking prohibited at all times.1:35:11 Motion so made, pass through first reading.1:35:12 Motion to pass the item through first reading.1:35:14 Oh no, this is King.1:35:15 Sorry, sorry.1:35:17 Motion to pass the item through first reading has been made by Councilor Peckham.1:35:19 Seconded by Councilor Canuel.1:35:21 Discussion?1:35:23 Hearing none, all those in favor?1:35:24 Opposed?1:35:26 The ayes have it.1:35:26 So we have— just as a quick update, um, I did hear the ordinance committee meeting as I was coming in, just for the committee and the community to know.1:35:35 We— the City Council, regarding the city lawyer, has been briefed.1:35:42 We polled all councilors to give proposals to individuals who they would want to suggest.1:35:48 We got the list.1:35:49 The clerk's office has sent proposal emails out.1:35:51 They're due back to the office on Monday.1:35:53 Council Vice President, myself, and our city clerk will get together Uh, we've received 3 as of right now, uh, and, uh, we will get together and, um, update the council as we see fit at a future meeting.1:36:04 At this point, hearing no further discussion, motion to adjourn has been made by Councilor Raposo, seconded by Councilor Kadeem.1:36:10 All those in favor?1:36:11 Aye.1:36:11 Opposed?1:36:12 The ayes have it.1:36:12 Good night.1:36:13 You receive— you received 3 what?1:36:15 We received 3 proposals— responses, um, and we sent 3 emails asking for proposals on Monday.1:36:22 Who are they?1:36:23 Do you know?1:36:24 Uh, to me.
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