11.21.2023 Historical Commission

are we ready good to go good to go great thank you uh good evening everyone and thank you for uh attending tonight's meeting of the Fall River historical commission it is Tuesday November 21st 2023 it is 6: p.m. uh pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings

or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledg and per permissible uh make it a roll call please Ashley dunia here Jonathan Lima present Connie Soul here Joyce Rodricks present Elizabeth D present Rick manini here and Jason bushard and IR rocki present um we have no open seats um and this uh before I forget as part of the open law uh open meeting law

notice this meeting is being recorded on Fall River government TV which will be uh posted onto their YouTube page afterwards um first item on the agenda is to review and approve the minutes from November 6th 2023 uh Elizabeth sent those around before the weekend I'll make a motion to accept the minutes okay I'll second that motion all right I have a motion by Connie and a second by Rick uh make it a

roll call to approve the minutes please I Ashley dun okay Jonathan Le yes Connie Soul yes yes Joyce okay agree Elizabeth Yes Rick Rick manen yes all right thank you and Jason bardaki yes thank you all right um do I have any citizens input for tonight's meeting all right um we did receive uh item number two and three um notices of intent to demolish um addresses 305 and 309 Hanover Street

um they are not listed on the register of significant structures uh this goes alongside the um the project at 317 Handover that we reviewed I think two meetings ago um so those properties are actually in the process of being demolished um we did receive uh item number four uh correspondence for 160 lyen Street this is the Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church uh they are confirming status on the national

register and the city's register of significant structures there's a little bit of some confusion with this one because the address listed on the on mackas and with a national register is 115 Linden Street um but the city has it registered at 160 lyen street so I'm trying to figure out um working or at least have an email out with the assessor to figure out what happened if the property was subdivided but the

property is on the national register just the address is incorrect um and so with that um item number five under new business uh we have um 618 Rock Street this is the Antioch School um they are requesting a letter of support for Community preservation act Grant funds um and this property is located within the highlands 40c local historic district um so and who I believe whomever is here to

present and then your packets it's item number five that I had marked down thank you good evening um if you uh wouldn't mind uh introducing yourself and uh stating your name and address or the company that you're affiliated with uh my name is Diane carer and I'm the vice principal at the antiac school at 618 Rock Street and Mike Keane civitech architects in Fall River thank you um can you please describe the or

the request the project at hand please um so we received CPA funding uh in the fall of 22 to restore the exterior of the school uh to remove the existing uh shingle siding and to put in new red cedar shingle siding also to restore uh the wood trim at the perimeter of the building so this be all four elevations and also the initial application was to restore everything above the roof line so the existing

asphalt roof shingle system would remain It's relatively new and see May last six years or so seven years yeah um so this would be to remove any of the vinyl siding at the Dormers that exist now um and to uh reshingle the Dormers to rework them so that is done properly so the corners are woven the corners flare out um and sort of pay attention to that detail so we received funding for all of that

work and the historical commission uh wrote a letter of support back then which was appreciated uh we completed our design work earlier this year uh and we brought a few contractors in to look at the uh the project so the one that we selected and the one that we do have under contract right now is not able to start until the spring uh which is not unheard of for um many contractors that are quality

contractors um so the the issue is that the funding would only be sufficient or enough to cover the main body of the house below the roof line so what we're looking to do and we've submitted an application for eligibility to the CPC for funding to address the Dormers and the chimneys at the the school everything above the roof line might minus the roof itself the shingles itself so what we're looking for is

funding from the CPC to kind of finish off this project and so we've submitted the eligibility application we've gone through that round and the next submission will be um for funding y okay excellent thank you um is there any are there any questions on the application I'm familiar with the project from the CPC standpoint yes y excellent um good project it's a great project um and I believe

um I think a future project is the POR future project yeah that would be the fun one that's yeah so we have uh fortunately before it was torn down many years ago in 99 uh 99 20 yeah about 20 years over 20 years ago uh they the school photo do dented everything so there's some some good photos nice close-up shots of a lot of the detail so that would be very helpful to to work

and sort of recreate that so that's that's one I'm really interested in getting into so this is a multi-year restoration of the exterior of the house right to get it up to Park just get up to Park great yeah so I mean this is yeah this is the big one is well the roof has already been replaced but addressing the Dormers and and the chimney the chimney that's yeah that's so there's also I'll

just say this it doesn't um it's not something you'll see from the outside but um what the school is undertaking now is electrical upgrades throughout the house there knob and tube wiring throughout so um they're in the process now yeah so that's not funded by the CPC that's something the school is undertaking uh and then uh the next piece of it we're looking to do before the spring time before this you know the

initial work gets done uh from the previous CPC Grant is is to insulate the building oh okay tubing up first get that up to date and then insulate that way when the shingling starts M we'll be ready for it great um I don't have any questions this is yep go ahead I was just going to make a motion okay yeah this is uh uh so we have a motion by Connie to to approve the letter of

support yes the letter of support Second in the motion right one um Connie Elizabeth all right I have a motion by Connie and a second by Elizabeth uh for a letter of support uh for 618 Rock Street uh may I get a go roll call vote please Ashley yes uh Jonathan yes Connie yes uh Joyce yes Elizabeth Yes Rick Mancini yes and Jason Bard and rocki yes thank you you so much

I'll submit I'll send that over um to email and I'll also um um uh what I usually do is I also see see Sandy at in the CPC so she has a copy of it okay great thank excellent a nice holiday you too thank you so much thank you all great um item number six on the agenda is 339 Center Street this is St John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church uh they are requesting a letter

of support for Community preservation act Grant funds uh for the restoration of stained glass window good evening good evening my name is ehor sliki and I'm the trustee at St John the Baptist Church here in full River um I'll give you a little brief history of the church um the first ukrainians arrived here in full River in the 1900s and they came primarily from Western Ukraine and they came to work in

the mills in um they eventually built a church the building that we're in is was built in 1914 and it's still in fabulous shape we've been uh doing a I think a pretty good job of keeping it up um we're uh we're we have uh one Grant in place from the CPC uh to paint the uh the exterior wooden trim and also to re to fix either repair or restore the the

Brick steps in the front and so that that um uh uh Grant is in place uh we're just waiting we've actually spoked with contractors and they're waiting for good weather to do brick work and the painting so it looks like even though uh they're we we've signed with them now that's probably going to start in in the the spring itself um so now we've applied for a second Grant with the CPC

and that is to restore this the stained glass window that's in the front of the church um the windows is about um it's 60 in wide and 77 in tall and is 19 panes of stained glass it is a uh it is a wooden framed the window um and over the years um it's simply rotted away because it's it's exposed to the it's on the north side of the building and it's

so exposed to a lot of snow a lot of wind coming in off the off the off the bay and and the river and um so pieces of pieces of wood itself have rotted away over the years some of the glass has fallen out it's been replaced with with plastic um in in some cases the the color that that was it was replaced it doesn't match the the original pains so we know what

the original panes look like and and then the the colors that were replaced don't match so what we what we we'd like to do is one um is to get the colors back and and to The Originals that that they were and we have plenty of examples of the original windows in the rest of the church so we can get a good idea of what the color should be um the second

thing is to actually put in a new wooden frame um that um I'm finding is an issue and talking with with uh um a couple of people who who do this kind of restoration um they said yeah it's great but uh and then the next words are how about a metal frame like an aluminum frame and there are one one of their arguments or or points was that the

window is is up high so even if it's aluminum um you wouldn't really notice notice the difference the outside could would still be um painted to match the existing colors and aluminum would give a much stronger support for the for the glass the glass itself it's our our big sheets of glass they you know some are the size like 8 and 1 half by 11 some are are double you know double sheets they're big they're

big pieces of glass and so um so that may be um an act an answer and uh so actually I'm going to ask for your help in in in and with that that's kind of a um a question that we have to answer and I'm not sure who do we who do we turn to eventually to say yes you can use a metal frame rather than the an existing

wood frame um and I talk with with some of the the contractors in the city they they they could make the wooden frame but then some are just um would make a wooden frame and others would make W and but but that's all they would do they would not put the glass in so we'd have to find somebody to do the glass as well so um we did talk with one um a

contractor who does that kind of that kind of work you know and and they and they suggested the the the aluminum frame so so it's kind of a a question for us a quandry um what to do for for the future with that so actually if if you can offer any advice suggestions um I would would love to get some please sure um so so that's that's kind of roughly where where we

stand it's it's the windows just in bad shape I want to yeah redo it yeah there there are uh composite materials that are allowed uh have you looked into forming a window frame with a composite material rather than the aluminum you normally and I'm not saying this is the case here and I understand the comment about it being up at a at at a relatively high altitude so uh but you can generally the

difference between aluminum and a wooden frame is generally noticeable just just in the way that it's constructed uh you get a lot of square corners with the aluminum frames etc etc profile exactly the profile so uh the composits however are able to duplicate or replicate the existing frame and existing profile of the window and that might be uh an area to check on I I don't know if anybody off the top of

my head or that I would even I wouldn't want to make a recommendation but there are a number of them there there's one in Newport there's another one over in Rainham Brockton area uh so there there are facilities available preservation societ and a composite would be better than the aluminum would tend to expand and contract quite a bit with the Heat and the sun affecting that where the composits would not

so having that glass in there with less stress might be better for you with a composite um the so we can't recommend contractors or anything of that nature with our board um the the uh Fall River preservation society would have the ability to make recommendations they have done work in the past on window restoration um so that's and they're uh you can find their email address and the

contact info right online um but they can they can certainly probably have some contractors in mind for that um with regards um with regard to the window frame um I know we have the in the guidelines actually how addresses that right what he's referring so and that's available right online as well sorry the designes have you looked at the design guidelines by any uh which one from from the Department of interior

or was the guidelines that we have for Fall River for the 4C District but throughout so I'll take I'll take another look at that it's on the city so the city's website changed it's uh fallover ma.gov um and under departments I believe they're uh I'm sorry uh boards or commissions there's uh the page for the historical Commission um and there is a link for I believe it's under resources

is the um design guidelines that we actually we have published this past May um and it does there's a whole section on Windows and what um it's more geared towards um we have a small protected District but it was written in a way that anyone in the city can use it okay um for historic properties so yeah so I I did look at that and at that and I and

I and I realized that it's I I thought it was specifically just for for the historic district and not not Citywide okay yeah it looks it it does appear that it's for the the the highlands 4C District but it was written for the whole city okay yep and Fall River preservations is uh PS um fall river.org thank you I was sh of the website okay excellent um any other questions on

that I I don't uh I I don't yeah I mean I think our biggest concern is that I think it's going to lose the profile and everything else that we have talked about that even at a distance you can clearly see the difference but there are other materials that maybe these contractors are not familiar with so that's why it's it's best to reach out to um okay to and all

the work does have because it's um the CPC funding it does have to conform with the uh any of the work has to conform with the secretary the interior standards of Rehabilitation or rest one of the four standards for um the treatment of historic properties um so um yeah I think I mean we're and where we're looking to do it in in Wood we're just like I like I said in the application the eligibility application

we want to explore other possibilities so I I understand that yeah wood is what we what we want and if it's impossible then you know we have you know I have some I have now some suggestions for what for for looking at at other things as well but yes I mean initially that's that's that's the approach that want to take us to do it in Wood the way it is now of course yeah

okay I do have a question so in this picture this is the window we're talking so the frame around it is does this currently have aluminum cuz the siding is aluminum around it right no okay so this is just that's that's wood that's all inside and also wood um yes y it looks much better from the outside but there's a there's a picture from the inside and you can see yes y

okay okay I I would uh tend to make a motion that we send the letter of approval uh continue on a final recommendation when we develop the material to be used on the window frame okay that would be okay so that the material is that will save him time and also to get and it would get his letter into the CP A which is necessary yeah we don't want to we don't want you

to lose your ability for funding I'm really I'm very excited that you're doing this and saving this window yeah that's we are as well we're we're looking for it to getting it done so thank you but it all be on contingent that you're going to get the letter it'll go to CPC that keeps you in in the funding process but it'll it'll be contingent on getting back to us uh Yes actually uh get back

to this this commission so that we can approve that particular material or or okay either either the material or the way that the window is

framed thanks I'm just jotting this down because I it affects how I and I'll send the letter around for um review beforehand all right so we have a motion by Rick I second the motion Connie thank you so motion by Rick and a second by Connie for a letter of support for CPA Grant funds contingent of the material selection and how the window is framed uh and um coming before back before us to approve that final

selection um before it goes off to the CPC so RI going to delay uh the process then with CPC as as long as the letter is submitted it will not delay the process process okay good thank you great thank you all right so um may I get a roll call vote uh Ashley yes John yes Connie yes Joyce agree uh Elizabeth Yes Rick Rick Mancini yes and Jason Bard

nqi yes I'll send that right over to you um more or less before the uh end of the weekend so okay um great excellent thank you very much much have a happy holiday you um okay so um item number seven on the agenda is 37 Park Street this is St Catherine's content uh Dominican Academy um a request for letter of support for state federal historic tax credits good evening hi everybody thank

you hello uh you one am I uh just stating your name and sure my name is James carum uh 10 North Main Street Fall River uh first Bristol Corporation in 37 Park Street Street Partners um our firm earlier this year purchased 37 Park Street which was the St Katherine's Convent in the Dominican Academy um after that it was owned by the Atlantis Charter School they used it for a school until they built their new school um

it's been vacant for probably the last three or four years they've been school's been in and out of there a little bit kind of doing some food pre and stuff in there but that's that's really it and um building's kind of really getting disrepair roof leaks um heating system is not working there's a lot of um abatement for asbest and Lead and stuff like that so as part of purchasing the property we want to turn

um uh property into office space for San's hospital so what we want to do is move their administration offices down to that building um it's a 5 and a half story brick building so the lower lowest level it's the walk out basement level will be some medical services and then the rest will be office space um this will allow St ANS to kind of increase the footprint of uh Clinical Services on campus and push this away

um since that time we've gone to the city for some variances on use and parking and all that stuff and had favorable support and um 37 Park streets um Park Street South Main and Forest Street is behind and on the side of us is St an's Church in the St an's um chapel and so we've been working with them they've given us uh We've bought a piece of land from them to increase our

footprint and allow for the parking access and stuff like that so um as part of this process in in order to facilitate the construction we're seeking tax credits federal and state and as part of the process looking for a letter of recommendation um the exterior of the building is going to remain pretty much exactly the same there's a small little garage on the outside that we're going to take down um you can see

in there's a a large metal um fire escape that they use for the school for egress uh that's going to come off okay um the windows are going to be replaced in kind the roof is going to be replaced in kind the Brick's going to be repointed and and clean um so I can show you some pictures too if you don't have them in front of you absolutely be great but it should remain very similar to

what today um I have this copy that um he had sent over you printed photos perfect oh those are great oh that's excellent this is great oh yeah that's see that's schol this is South Main Street here and the S an is on on the right hand side and this is Park Street on this side so that's what we have today uh that's kind of the front of the building and then the back of the

building you can see is the old fire escape for the school uh some now excuse me James is that entire metal structure coming down correct all of the stairs the platforms that's all being abandoned okay that's that's all going to come down yeah and as part of that the one issue you have is building doesn't meet uh building code handicap accessibility stuff like that so we've got to put a

new elevator inside work on some of the stairs to the stairs of different heights and stuff like that then current code now what would happen to do the window and door access onto those fire so I'm going to I'm going to show you next here so this is kind of the the back view so we've added a small glass kind of vestibule in the back we'll have a handicapped wheelchair ramp and this

is kind of tucked inside that corner that's in this bottom photo kind of like in that back corner this give all right so it's not as big as it looks in that picture but um you can see we're working with mass historic now these are the old doors we're trying to figure out there's not really anything in the plans so the original plans that show what was there so we're trying to figure out Mass

historic do they want a window do they want a door that doesn't open you know the comments we we submitted to them they gave us some comments and now we're submitting back to them with our final application so we're trying to figure out what they really want there so we're happy to who do you deal with at the mass historic Jennifer or I'm not sure well National register well Jennifer

with the local government and Ben Haley is with a national register but this is different with tax credits yeah yeah yeah I'm not sure there was a name on the letter that they returned yeah um we've been going through Epsilon so they do that submit the applications you're consultant consultant okay yeah good good firm so yeah no they've been they've done a lot and they you know it's a little more complicated than a

mill building because so much is still here yeah sure so um um in my so in my professional experience with um I I work for a real estate developer in who's based in Providence and we had restored an old commercial building in Downtown Providence that uh it was rehabed into apartments and they had these loading doors uh in the back of the building so those I mean this is also with the state

of Rhode Island but uh because we had tax credits those were those doors were maintained they're just per permanently shut and I believe there's um like a like bar in front you have to for code yeah yeah and so like something like that if it's just remaining as a door I can see them going with that um just uh if you're removing the fire escape um so I can see that being a thing just Happ

they originally submitted with another window to match what was here then they said well there were doors there make it look like a door so now we're trying to figure out yeah you know what what what works mhm but they they didn't want you to preserve the fire escapes the way they were no I don't think so I think that was added it sounds like it was much later I mean they definitely look

historic but probably not original they they're pretty scary when I've stepped on the you don't want when was the building constructed it was it started in the late 1800s like 1890s and then there were some additions I'm not sure which part were additions and then this is the side um kind of you came up Park Streets on this side and far as this is the back side okay of the building um

you see where some windows were removed well there's a that building has a fairly large um I call the autor the chapel I think that's where those larger windows are and this is a bad view these this is stained glass it's going to stay stain glass is going to stay oh wonderful the chapel is going to be what a conference room the chapel is going to be a conference room okay we're going to

do some stuff we can put a wall but not so you leave the ceiling okay sure um in terms of the windows I'm assuming all the windows are getting replaced yeah all the windows are getting replaced with a you know we've got a a sketch for the for historic that shows that it's a a similar style window with wood and you know all are they wood on the inside and aluminum clad on theide I think they're

going to be wood with aluminum clad on the outside correct all right um this is substantial yeah no no we're excited and um it's funny I saw a postcard recently on one of those Fall River photo groups on Facebook and so this building there was a twin of this on the other side of the church so there are two of them side by side one was the convent or um maybe not the convent but

there's uh maybe like the old I think I can't remember and it was demolished when the hospital was expanding um but it was an almost exact twin of this particular building so it's pretty interesting how big the campus was before um but um yeah anyways so um this is great yeah um it's good to see it and and then inside the the hallways are going to stay the same um doors off the hallways will open to

offices if we add an office we'll get a door that looks exactly the same as if we subtract they want us to leave the doors in place so just put you know eliminate the hardware um the hardware is really old so we'll probably have to change it for you know accessibility and that type of stuff but okay even the inside should look look very similar um has your firm done other historic rehabs

in Fall River yeah years ago my father did the the highlands up on the the North End of Fall River okay and then a few maybe it's already about 10 years ago we did in Province 58 Way Boston Street which is the Hampton in so we took the Franciscan Chapel left that and we added an addition onto the side that and I think were those were tax credits used for that they were tax credits then

yes okay um house what's that didn't you guys do the Adam's house that's uh my uncle okay was close um the highlands is the one of the very Northern tip of uh where down near St Vincent elderly housing yeah it's kind of like where it's on Highland before makes that bend where it meets with robon y y um great and so St ANS would just out of curiosity St ANS would lease

from yeah they're going to lease a tenant all right great this is no actually you're to be commended you know for maintaining the structure and and trying to replicate its originality uh it's it's it's great to see uh organizations developers like yourself and and you know and and and your Uncle Bob and and other developers that we don't want to go into name but doing a great job of helping us maintain

historic value to the city thank you it's great yeah I support that I know your family has had a long relationship with st an's Hospital yeah yeah yeah so this is continuing that relationship wonderful project yeah it's great to see the hospital grow and uh you know keep going it's and in in this particular neighborhood too there's a lot of there's a lot of development there's a lot of transition and um you

know maintaining a structure like this it's not it's it's not easy and this is a very substantial property adjacent to the church which is also finally undergoing some sort of restoration um so I mean this is yeah this is great for the neighborhood for sure and this has been not for profit for its entire life so it's on the tax Ro now which is a good yeah good plus what excellent I'll

make a motion to send a letter of support okay I'll second that and Ashley all so I have a motion by Connie and a second by Ashley for for letter of support for tax credits um make it a roll call Ashley yes John yes Connie yes Joyce yes Elizabeth Yes Rick Rick Mancini yes and Jason rard rocki yes I will send that right over to I think they should be fun a fun project and

thank you for the uh the visuals Happy Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving yep and nice presentation too thank you so much is that one of yours yeah there you go excent before the next time thank you thank you thank you it's wonderful I meant to um ask about potentially I can email but I meant to ask about potentially seeing how we were able to go see some of the other um tax

credit projects in the city I can I can ask and an email so excellent thank you um all right so um we have um some old business um item number eight which is the almax diner development at 101 president AV um I did submit the letter to the zoning board of appeals um I was told that it was tabled um at the meeting um so I'm not sure when it's

being brought up but um there is a bit of opposition um so but the letter was submitted to zoning the zoning board of appeals um I'll find out when the next meeting is um so uh let's see regarding item number nine certified local government application um I'm just waiting for I think I have everyone's resumes and FES I got yours tonight Connie thank you um and you'll get my

bio I'll get your bio all right and then from there then I'll submit um well I'll send it around for a review just to make sure um Jennifer um also said I could send it it to her in a draft form just to be on the safe side before it is final before it is submitted um but that's it's a very exciting process or uh possibility of having that designation so um and that would uh as

Jennifer talked about when she was here we would have uh first uh the ability to First review projects especially NA national register nominations and any tax credits before they even go to the state so that's very exciting so we have a more uh vocal um uh part of that whole process um uh in item number 10 Highlands local historic district expansion um Ashley you were working on

a draft of the I do I have that yes I don't know if you guys want to take a hard copy I can email it whatever works do you have enough hard copies for everyone or I think I do okay I think okay if not yes I do okay I totally do um get this and then from there we we'll uh at the next meeting I'll have um um there's an additional if

you don't have enough I'm not sure okay um the only thing that I had questions on I on the um frequently asked questions um I kept that intact changed a couple of things there are two items a portion I have uh underlined that I just need um a little Guidance with that to just change that verbiage okay thank you um was it pretty easy straightforward with what they the absolutely um it just it um

reference The Village so I kind of just like changed that to like the city or your neighborhood or that sort of thing okay um and as far as the frequently asked questions they were fairly straightforward um I didn't have to change much there um so where the top where it say where in the underline The Village Center um that can be changed to uh um I guess that could be changed too the

current name of the national register district is just the highlands National register District okay so you could just probably write down the Highland's neighborhood so this is being mailed to existing home homeowners in the National register District ideally um so that was that was what I was hesitant on I wasn't sure if they were already going to be part of the national District yeah so

the national register district is quite large around the lhd um so and it goes It goes out oh wow a lot um yes it goes beyond North Park like north of North Park MH so in the immediate vicinity around the local historic district yeah goes out to Highland a maybe like a few properties within past um uh the hospitals uh not included but that's around that's basically one boundary line and then it runs up the

middle the um the middle of uh I shouldn't say the middle runs up Highland Avenue North of the hospital but it doesn't go it doesn't cover to the east it doesn't cover what's the next block over uh Handover it doesn't cover that um but it does it's very narrow and it goes up to I think Stanley Street or weedo um and it includes I believe North Park as well got um so but

then around the the the Local District it does um trying to uh I think it goes up to probably um Pierce Pierce or Lincoln I can't remember but so there's a there's a considerable amount anyway so um I guess we can how would we word that first part to remove the Village Center um well would you just want to put this historic district or this you could just put this area keep

it big okay yeah I like that okay um so this area and then transition to this area is listed on the national register or maybe this area of the neighborhood is listed on the national register this area of the neighborhood Maybe this area of the Highlands perhaps okay yeah okay um and then same thing that second sentence sentence yeah um maybe right uh that's where I think you can probably just change it over to

the highlands okay yep does that make sense for the second portion yeah um by passing uh historic character of our um I think in that last sentence by passing a local historic district the um the historic character of our neighborhood neighborhoods yeah I like that okay um and then oh okay and then the second um the next underlined area a local bylaw describes specifically how the board of Selectmen will make

appointees to the historic district commission okay it's not B so I don't know if that's relative to us you know right um a local BW describes specifically how well what the historic commission is already here right and we already have provisions on how we're appointed so who are the members of the historic district commission is the is the question so I don't yeah I mean I don't think it's asking like personally you

know no but so I think um a couple things now I'm noticing so um wherever it references historic district commission we do need to switch that to historical commission y um and uh because other other communities do have the yeah like so we have our boards merge mered and then uh I know like new bedfords they also merg too they have a historical commission instead of historic district we should be good I

feel like I caught that but I will take another look in that question directly above it what kinds of things were reviewed by a historic district commission okay as far as the questions go I'm sorry yeah so like that right there I maybe if we could change that to historical commission does that make sense absolutely anyone have any objection to that at all no all right um um and then that next question who are

the me who are members of the historical maybe historical commission um we can write that the members of the historical commission are appointed by both the mayor and city council um yeah well it what you could just leave it as the existing historic Commission who are the members we're the members and we're already appointed so it's it's the existing historic commission they're asking who the

members of the historic district commission are okay it's saying the answer seems to be answering how they're appointed the question is asking who they are so not really it's almost like what makes up like what people make up the historic so we could say you know it's comprised of um and we well actually that's right it's who it's comprised of because it has to have it's supposed to have like an architect right

and it's listed right here too in other communities so we can write down um so maybe if we say like the the me uh it says who are the members of the historical commission we can say the historical commission um is appointed by the city council and the mayor's office um and is comprised of or it says right here um Architects Realtors res residents and property owners of the district love it okay okay good

um um any commission okay I think that was the um oh in the back um where you have highlighted Highland's neighborhood protecting the rich arage found um I just wanted to be sure that that's pretty much what we're targeting which I think we are so is that does that work would we have it protecting the rich architectural Heritage found in maybe to say in the Highland neighborhood

ler so lower Highlands well we have well so there's the national register there's lower Highlands and Highlands but we don't have Highland uh historical Highlands that's not a district that's not like a district name historical Highlands mm no that's the sign when you pull in off of onto Highland Avenue but um no but I thought it was divy up that way no not on no it's there's and then

the third one is the highlands local but that's so of the yeah because there's lower Highlands and then what lower Highlands National register district and then there's Highlands National register District but there's no historical Highlands National register District okay yeah the highlands proper the highlands National register um that one is quite large so basically at the border of the lower Highlands all the

way up to North Park with some exclusions okay um so how is that that last one where she has on the back uh that's highlighted do we want to is that fine leaving it found in our Highlands neighborhoods in the highlands or is that too big um that's true that additional stuff feel like people who live in the highlands refer to it as the highlands like I live in the highlands I just say

I live in the Highland yeah yeah same okay all right so protecting the rich archit architectural Heritage found in the highlands outweigh this added step does that make sense yeah okay so the highlands okay is there any other are there any other changes to that maybe do you think it's uh that last sentence without a local historic district these gems that have been lasted so long could be

demolished or irreparably altered tomorrow get rid of the tomorrow tomorrow yeah okay

um okay um and then let make sure that there's anything else and then the question was there there's the questionnaire that's did they include a questionnaire in the in the I thought there was like a sample survey I can work on that next I think I think you had said there was there was one that you like previously or something when the original District was established okay it would um I don't think it would

be in with the design guidelines um there's that booklet that I had um given you I don't have a copy with it with me it was the um creating local historic districts I think it was okay I think I have it okay I think there's a a sample survey in there um cuz that's ultimately what along with a letter will get nailed over to the um the home owners or the property property

owners that's what they'll mail back correct found it perfect if there's anything yeah if there's anything that you think needs to get changed on that we'll just change the Village Center again

yepo again I think it's they're pretty straightforward um do you think the Village Center will change that to um the highlands or your neighborhood your home what do you maybe maybe it's because this is specific to the Highlands change it to the highlands historically significant do you think the Highland should be preserved are you concerned about recent demolitions and changes to Neighborhood

to the neighborhood or what could be lost in the future overall do you support the concept of a local historic district if yes what kind of project should be exempt from review um and it gives examples of like paint color landscape storm windows um include any other comments okay yeah great so change those great thank you and I'll make those revisions and send it over to you via email uh yes and then um at our next

meeting we we'll have the final letter with this with the questionnaire or the survey and then um I will have Maps ready okay so we can figure out a Target area as to where the mail um because I'll need to generate all those addresses for Carrie to um put together all the mailings and they will go out got it yep so cool did did anyone go by paragraph five um I think it's necessary to identify the

bylaw um local where bylaw describes I think it's uh I think it would be a good idea to identify that bylaw in our in our ordinances so you can look it up so we do have um I can and also the board of Selectmen is now the city council right we we already talked about oh yeah yeah so I could I'm concerned about the bylaw that leaves a lot of people guessing yep

so no that makes sense um so I could send over um the ordinance number um with the section uh and the verbal the verbiage of that um and you can probably just right into that um I would probably throw it throw it all in italics just so it's it's there put it inth or something whatever yeah something um and um because it's that's also online but um yeah so that no that's that's that's a

good suggestion thank you thank you it's as word it's worded as if we don't already have the commission but yeah it's already established um all right Bo number Plus for okay okay this last sentence also it's by having a local historic district you can be assured that and it St States here that a new property owner across the street from your house will also maintain if we could just maybe change

that instead of a property owner in the neighborhood will also maintain the historic character of the neighborhood house is not warm you know home is is a good word so maybe just eliminate all of that and come up with that a new property owner in the neighborhood will also maintain the historic character of the neighborhood if you're oh similar to that localic District you can be assured that a new

property owner in the neighborhood will also maintain okay too much neighborhood a lot of neighborhood lot of neighborhood okay so by having a local historic district you you can be assured that a new property owner in your neighborhood um new proper owner in across the street from your um I feel like it's you just put like all other I mean it would doesn't have to be a new property owner and I mean your neighbor

could be there for 40 years and just to do something that right um yeah having school historic district you can be assured that other property owners that a prop property owners in the area will also maintain the historic character of the neighborhood M great thank you cool um any other thoughts or comments on that okay um so we'll have the final copy to approve the survey and then

we'll can work on a selecting on the map of yeah okay so I'll see if I can get um I'll ask Chris in planning uh Chris pirano if I can get some larger copies of the maps I could probably just print them myself off of the gis but I wonder if maybe he has a shortcut um to having the addresses on there too um that would be Cru Google Maps can use Google Maps

you just click on it and we'll give you yeah um I can also well I could get that blown up onto a screen like on one of these and we can see and then that way we can just do a zoom in um and we can mark them down too okay if you wanted something printed I have a large format printer for blueprint so I can do something larg I like that okay yeah

okay good to know thank you um great cool um are we all set with this item for now okay um I don't think we have the tce job thank you yeah this is great thank you Ashley welcome and everyone for your suggestions appreciate it um so item number 11 um the historical commission web page on the city's website so as I mentioned before the web page has the city's website has changed it's now Fall River ma.gov

and so when that all came up um I went on just to look and um I don't know when they transferred the info over but um it was missing uh um John and Ashley were missing from the the board members so they must have copied whatever the files were from before you came on board um they still also had the historic district commission listed on there so I sent a few emails over to it um they've

added your names they have since deleted the historic district commission um there was a uh with that though I did download the um there were some applications that were on the old Historic District commission's web page that were very outdated I have copies of them um so that's something I will work on is to update those applications because uh it still says uh former mayor kareah and uh Tony Das as chair so we

that it's this it has not been updated um but it's the application for certificate of appropriateness non applicability or a hardship and those are the three things that we are especially with the historic districts um um that we are set to uh be responsible for and approve um so I'm going to I mean if there's any I can send the what I'll do is I'll send the files over if there are any changes

then please let me know and I'll edit them um for the time being I know Carri has applications like this in the office so they can still use the the old ones um but the old ones have since been pulled off the website because I just it was not it should not should not even be there um plus I think there's um there is the fees I'm not sure if the fees

have changed so I'm going to have to take a look um so yeah um I mean I can pass this around or I can send the file around email form okay perfect um but uh let's see what else was on there they did with what's even better though with a new website um I did ask them if they can link the macis database um because for whatever reason before on the old website they said that

was not possible to link an outside website but with a new one it it is possible so under resources um if there's any other links I should include please let me know um but so the macros database is on there which is even better because that's a wealth of knowled or wealth of information right there um so yeah right now it's as good as I can get but I would like to get

these uh applications updated um so because I think they've also changed their permitting process to a lot of I think the building permits online now it is online so I got I got a phone call from um yes I got a phone call from somebody in the building department who was kind of in a panic because he said um I don't know how it is I don't know how you apply or what it looks like when

you apply online but um he uh said that there was he was going through all the addresses make sure that nothing was on the the register because um I don't think there's a way of differentiating that okay um do you have access to the permit um application online yeah yeah okay yes is there if you can you take a look to see if there's like a button that says like historical or something

um because he was manually going through lists and calling me up with addresses I'm like okay so I'm like there there is an easier way of doing this or a more efficient way um but um yeah so I think it was the first day that the whole thing turned on and I think there was just immediate uh questions so I I love that the city is getting more um with the times with permitting

and things like that online but um if there's any issues that we need to address we have to make it like soon so they can make those I will take a look at that thank you Ashley um so that's that with the web website um and then item number 12 uh an update on the Steep Rook bio Reserve bio Reserve Form B project okay okay uh the this project is actually broken up into two parts it's

the Steep Brook and the bio Reserve uh the bio Reserve project has not gone out for bid at this point it's scheduled after Thanksgiving to be sent out forbid uh Chris up in the planning Department's been really burdened and and he's he's asked if he could just hold off on it and we're going into a winter months so they wouldn't be trudging through the woods at this point so you know another

month or two is not going to affect that uh but it is it is moving along and uh Mike learia and his team are still looking for sites that they've recorded or heard about or you know the word of mouth and so that they're still looking for those and it keeps expanding uh on a regular basis there's a tremendous amount of History out there uh the Steep Brook uh I attended a uh a little

presentation at the student students made they had a amount of time they give out there and it was a very very very well done uh a lot of indepth uh uh studies that have been accomplished to date the data that they're pulling out of the records and coming up with is amazing uh these form BS are more than just your standard form BS this is really intense uh so very pleased with

that uh there'll be another round of presentation coming up shortly I don't have the date yet but as soon as I do I'll make sure that Jason has that he can send it out if anybody wants to attend it's absolutely amazing to listen to what's going on in the area and the depth that they're getting in a in the dwelling when they you know they they go back really back and what they're doing

also is uh uh mentioning a lot of the surrounding structures and areas around the property itself so which you're doing is you're looking at the big picture you're not just looking at this one building you know ve very very very well done very pleased to get Roger Williams University to do this for us and at no cost I might say so uh we should approach we should approach uh uh

I I I don't know who to approach some way to get some funding but maybe have a little soda and pizza party for them when they're done and and maybe we could give them a a certificate of appre appreciation for all that they've done you know and that'll be in the spring I would love to have um if it's if they're able to I would love to have them come

before us to do a presentation of of their their work I think that would be wonderful we can um that we can absolutely have um uh we can get the mayor invited and anyone from city council if they would like to City Planning would be you know that would be uh critical for them to see that um so absolutely I mean if that's you know they have that availability that I would

love to invite them to present to us and meet with us sounds like a plan okay and probably with that we could incorporate out the outside in in the Pico out there maybe a little pizza potty sure just to incorporate the sure the whole program yeah excellent that's I like that I'll I'll uh I'll get a hold of Elaine great thank you and yeah and for those that don't know the preservation uh so R Williams university

has the country oldest undergraduate uh historic preservation program in the country um and it's also one of the only schools that or one of the only programs I believe that's built into the context of a School of Architecture so it's very architecture architectural history driven um so um you know the research Elizabeth and I are both products of that program so it's you know very much

research driven and um you know they do wonderful work um so um you know in the past they did cocky row did and they did a great job too and they did a great presentation there as well so they keep the students like you know researching in this really nice have the school involved yeah they do they do a bit of work um so excellent thank you um thank you Rick for that um is there

any anything else that I may be missing um so we're scheduled next to me on Tuesday December 19th we're already going into December um but um if there might be um I'm still waiting to hear back if regarding Bank Street we might have to do if if possible we might do like a uh a special meeting maybe virtual um because I think they're looking for I haven't gotten the official um word yet but um a possible

opinion from the historical commission regarding the bank Street Armory um so if that happens then I will ask around for a special meeting if that's um cuz I think that would be larger than what we nor to do so um any other any questions or anything like that okay um so um yep so again we are scheduled to meet next on Tuesday December 19th 2023 um it is 703 p.m. May I get a motion to adjourn