11.3.2022 Sewer Commission

welcome to the November 3rd meeting of the father of a civil Commission Sue went to the open meeting law any person may make an audio a video recording of this public meeting I may transmit the meeting through any meeting attendees are there for advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made with a perceived the Run perceived by those present or redeemed acknowledged and permissible having said all that

um Mr President will you do the roll call please foreign

okay I think we've all been given a packet I can see it's voluminous as usual amount of work that goes into these things it's a it's unbelievable yeah um okay first item on the agenda with citizen input is there any citizen input take care of that minutes of the previous meeting

sorry that they were about uh presented a lot earlier but they were sent out earlier today if there is a copy within your packet um okay um week why don't we consider doing this um I haven't had the opportunity to read it I don't think the other commissions had at this point in time so um why don't we table it until the next meeting that way we'll have the opportunity to deal with it and so forth

okay so um I'd like to make someone make a motion that we table the minutes of May 31st to a future meeting second all in favor aye okay by the way thank you for getting everybody

all right that takes us to um the next item on the agenda which is a stormwater repeal and I understand we have Mr Jude Morrow here from 369 yellow Hill Road who was appealing his storm water fee am I correct correct sir um I believe you've been given some correspondence from Mr Ferlin uh basically telling in his opinion that you should be paying the fee but um you're here to appeal it to come in

front of us the commission to um to either to try and convince us that you shouldn't pay it um I've read some of your comments with respect to it uh you're saying that because there are no catch basins in the area of your residence no maintenance is done due to no catch basis is that basically your premise as to why you shouldn't pay pretty much yes okay um I went by a property yesterday I'm

pretty familiar with that area because we've had other individuals on that street come in and appeal their stormwater fees and so forth perhaps you know who they are but I want to say we did deny those Appeals on the premise that um the infiltration in and and flow off your you have a big piece of property my memory serves me correctly you go way back am I correct and if my memory shows

me correctly as you're going back towards back in fact there's a there's a slight pitch that ends up heading into what what are the areas there and so forth now just just one point I want to clarify is the flow of infiltration that we think happens with his property ultimately ends up going too way I think is it the Copa Cup go to the coast yes right correct okay all right because

I was I was a little bit confused based on a response that was made to miss tomorrow that it was possibly going to the software top up I guess that was just that's an oversight am I correct yeah that was that was uh the step using the correct form letter to uh okay all right people over the side I can understand what you were you were trying to say at this point in time but

I think for clarification or might benefit anyways at um it's I mean we're all in agreement that's this is all flowing to the Copa Cup yeah exactly so if you look up um some water from my 369 flow is directly into Miller Brook which flows through the forest west to east crossing copica road to recall bit and then to the Copper cut Reservoir Mr Morrow we've had a number of people come here

and it's for the same reasons they're appealing stormwater effect and a lot of them feeling so that just because there's no catch basins in the area just because there's no means of collecting the water away from the away from your property maybe even on a street and so forth and so on that that's the criteria to say that that they shouldn't have to pay well that was that was okay probably

back in 2008 when we first established the ordinance but the audience was revised back in 2010.

where it included infiltration and flow to any body of water which in its existence is managed by the city of Fall River either through control of dams Gates or whatever the case may be called this uh anything of that nature so in my mind and having seen these these maps and these infiltration flows that we have that we know exists and actually function that way that we have to we have to assume

not assume but we know that at some point in time something that leaves you a property What could under certain conditions arrive at the kobuka and we control the copacaba we service the copper cut we service everything that's in those woods to get the water to cope now um Mr Ferlin can probably give us an example of some of the things we've done in the past and and what people consider that a shared area a

wooded area but um we do have equipment that does go in there to prevent backup so it doesn't affect not only affect your property but affect what's going where it's going I have to say that for my own edification that your property falls under the condition that would require you would have to pay the store in one day much like the people that were across the street from you know that we deny their Appeal on

and so forth oh so I'm not speaking for all the other commissions here they can say what they want but uh having taken a look at the way things are up there and knowing what we know to be be true in terms of fun what takes place to get to the coffee cup personally I'm gonna I'm probably going to ask the commission to give me a motion to deny no having said about that is there anything

you want to add yeah I mean I've been living there for pretty much since 2010 uh prior and you have a beautiful piece of property you might say oh thank you you go to very nice place thank you I can understand why you feel it yeah I mean I'm not upset with the whole issue with the you know storm water fees I have about another tenant house in the city that has a stormwater fees that

come out of it I understand that the one thing that I've been there since 2010 I've only received a bill the last two and a half years and you you I put myself on the spot whatever however you want to take it but um I mean basically the whole stormwater fee that was told was to clean catch basins to maintain everything and when I was told you know this was two and a half

years ago when I when I first got the notification as far as paying the 47 a month a quarter or whatever when I was told that was the first thing that I was told was the water goes to the Copa Cup I can't understand one property in the city of Fall River that would be exempt because you can I mean just Graphics or anything else that no matter what it's going to go to the lowest point

that's just you know the whole situation exactly one thing that that um is the service now you I know you mentioned about how you know there's been Vehicles going in and out to clean and all that and all the years I've been that have not seen one vehicle or anything cleaning any kind of underground um structure to get like the flow go because there's one right down the street from me that thing hasn't been

touched since I've been there and when I talk to neighbors um they've said the same thing and it's been years since any kind of I mean in that area it's almost a forgotten section of Fall River there is no service I mean I can tell you all the way down from you know from the simple thing of plowing the street one time in a snowstorm to the whole and when you kindly I just filled up a

pothole the other day I'm going to lose a tire in it you know that air I might have gone over it yesterday I probably fixed a few um but yeah I mean I should put a claim for that one but that's the biggest thing with me is I don't mind paying for something that but you know cleaning things you know for the whole water system and stuff but I mean it's a

general thing to for me to say everyone's paying for to claim catch basement I don't even put in I have well water I have I have septic now I know when I call to get my septic pump I don't put into the city of Fall River so it's almost like for me it's like when I get a voucher I call for the voucher and I call these companies and

say hey I got a voucher from the city of Fall River they pretty much laugh at me and say uh we really can take ten dollars off I mean when the bill is 360 dollars for every two years that I do it I mean that's pretty much the whole stormwater fee and that's how I look at it like okay I'm not putting into some water for you or now I have to

but if I'm paying 360 every time I got a pump and I'm not put into a system or I'm not taking water from the city or there's no maintenance it's like if I'm going to pay the forty five dollars it's almost like and I I joked with the the girl Jody I'm not sure what her title is but I said okay can I have water and sewer ran to my house and you know you

can't there it's impossible to run water and sewer out there I mean but it's like do I get water and sewer or okay I don't but there's some water fee and I get it it was exempt uh Mr Sullivan yeah 2000 2008 when the when the program went into effect at that particular time it was you probably would consider the exempt yep but with the uh the the revision that was made to it in 2010

encompassed additional things and um this is when that this is when this type of condition ended up coming into effect now yeah up till about what you said two years ago but two years ago you've been you've been receiving the bill we see I even received it's it's kind of funny because I've been talking to Jody about it and for whatever reasons I haven't got any correspondent whatsoever the

only thing I get is a bill the bill always makes it to my house but no two years I've talked to Jody I've even marked down papers when I talk to her talk to her filled out forms and I've got no corresponds on every on anything so I've been waiting for obviously these meetings to deal with the situation ahead of time rather than two years and the biggest thing the biggest thing to

me is like I said I understand there's a there's stormwater fee for the whole city in general if you do the whole most 99.9 of the city is going to fall under that but it's like anything else to me there's there's ways of exemptions that only three exemptions where Mohawk Drive yellow Hill Road and Indian Town Road just for the simple reason until you said in 2010 they redid the charters or

whatever we did the audience the audience correct but it's almost like all of us in that area don't even put into the water and sewer so it's kind of and that's a a debate in itself but it's almost like you know I'm I'm just getting a voucher for sewer and I'm getting laughed at saying yeah we can take ten dollars off when I'm paying more money than I'm paying quarterly for

the thing so it's almost like that's kind of how I the neighborhood feels in a sense like okay well we pay for our septic we have well that we have to take care of maybe there's an exemption that we don't even there's no service for us up there there's no water there's no sewer I mean I can go on and on in all the Departments that we've made you know I wouldn't want to say

complaints but brought to attention and never gets done the only time it gets done unfortunately is when things go wrong and bills start coming in that's the only thing that my biggest concern and if I and if it doesn't get voted for exemption or anything then all I would ask is obviously the city gets 14 interest on you know not paying bills I don't know if it's just upon it but to be

waived just for some reason I've been I've been contacted for two years to get a meeting and you know obviously with Cove and everything things have been pushed out where if it does get voted where it doesn't get exempt well at least the you know interest can be taken off I don't have a problem payment if it's voted what I mean to also pay the interest on something I've been trying to deal with

the situation will be is he would he be required to pay interest on on the BET on whatever you think yeah if there's any arrives bills that would be uh interest payment uh due I would have to check to see whether that could be waived by mass law or I'm not sure whether we can waive interests on a or two bill have you been told you have to pay interest yeah I got the bills here and

it's kind of funny because one even I got the bill from my place I have another tenant house in a city that comes out of you know I pay that separately you know to uh to see a Fall River and I just got a bill recently for that property of over 600 dollars six hundred dollars and I'm like I've been paying I've been having it for seven years I've been paying every year

now I got a random bill for six hundred dollars saying I owe six hundred dollars for my other property I mean I got my receipts and stuff but it's just like nothing has ever been said I've always paid it now all of a sudden not only do I have the outstanding forty seven dollars for the last two years plus interest now I got a bill of 600 with my other profit well as are you

you've been being billed for the last two years correct and if he's being built out after the last what two years at which point in that time where do you stop paying interest so what's the bills do past 30 days that interest starts occur we got the individual pills so if he hasn't paid any of those bills over the two years uh every quarter a bill comes out uh it's

due within 30 days actually I think we give a couple of days a 10-day leeway period until the trust starts to accrue after the two data bill so he would have a number of bills that started improving interest at different types okay um I just want to suggest though um I thought that once they appeal though that would stay the interest during the appeal period and he appealed in January 2021 so at least it from that

point on okay shouldn't have any but I but if you want to just double check with the um if yeah if if the board includes to include that in the emotion I would definitely check to see if there's anybody to go back that far yeah I I was about to kind of mention the same thing when you look at at the fact that it's appeal started in what in January of 2021

we were I think at that point definitely in covid yeah and um you know nothing would have been done nothing would have been dealt with at that point in time he wouldn't have been able to come in here we wouldn't have been able probably been able to deal with it in that sense so um I think that in itself would be a good enough reason where the state if

the state is going to be the one that has the final say on this thing but I think we could we could make it uh look like at least we could waive his uh interest charges okay yep all right so um go ahead is this 118 a total with the interest and what have you or is it the interest that I think the most recent bill that I received

the most recent one was in September you know that was wrong yeah

foreign was the Junior June one was 222.

Okay so when you started receiving these bills yeah you never paid any of them no because once I received the bill I called no I I get you no I never paid all right you you you you never you never made you started receiving your bills from that point forward you never gave a give the city any money correct uh and after we thought that that you've been charged as as Mr Ferlin said

anything after 30 days you're going to be child Champions Okay um great I I think the board and I'm gonna ask the board there were options on this thing here but um I think under the conditions in which the time this timing took place in terms of when it was around covet and everything else things kind of came through Halt and here you are today you know trying to justify what you feel oh

I I still feel strongly though that um we're going to have I'm myself I'm gonna deny or appeal for the reason so stated and those reasons were also outlined in the ordinance um but I'm also going to ask the commission to make a motion to waive any interest rate any interest charges on your bill um and how long will it take for you to find out uh within the week I'll I'll

have a total over to it okay so it would be interest charges and demand fees yeah yeah okay all right um first of all would anybody want to make a motion to uh go ahead question on that first 47 Bill correct did you appeal it then did I of sending a form at that point yeah no I did not send them a form okay when did you start to appeal it

um the first appeal I'm gonna have to say was officially government on January 29 th the whole time I've been contacting back and forth and I've never and I've I mean like I said basically you didn't appeal it to anyone I've asked Jody Jody I guess she's a secretary I'm not sure Jody Works she's at the clerk clerk okay so I mentioned to her she's actually put notes and she's going to file all my stuff too

okay that has all the contact and times I've been would you say how far before January 1st was this all taken place six months oh okay maybe six I mean it wasn't long all right okay so yeah so what I'm hearing is yep you got it um you know you start investigating uh you know what have I got to do so I don't have to pay it and so forth and so

on and I was I would have to say we you were you now went to the year 20 where coven was really rampant um and I think things probably got shifted a little bit and at some point in time someone said to you you've got a you've got to up put in a written appeal which you did in January 1st of 21 where this whole thing now started taking taking its own Travel

section to where you want today I get it um but outside of that unless anybody has any questions or do we any any uh problems with waving the interest charges in what you call demand charges to be at peace the man peace uh I wouldn't stay in a motion to um to waive the charges to Mr Jude Morrow with respect to what he's being charged presently for the storm warn effect I

make a motion that we delete the surcharges for the entire time that this has taken place and bring the current price minus the charges of the date and that'll be your obtainment you have to catch up oh no but after that you you'll be writing right in the realm of it 47 or whatever the water a quarter yeah you're going to realize that we have people all along Southbound and our intimidating that paid

because not well I should say it's intimidating but the water the property butts the South watapa and the Saudi pond out of 177.

and they pay the same fee so we'll go along with this for you and you're all set you'll be just like everybody else is there any way to consider in the future as far as people with septics and wealth I can't answer I mean is that something I would I would say Mr Morrow being a resident of Fall River if your property was on stilts over the shore of the Taunton River

then you would have a good chance of possibly being exempt only for the simple fact that there's nothing you know there's it's already flown to the river if you understand but but that's that's that's just an exaggeration okay but other than that um I do have a thought on you mentioned the voucher can you explain that there's a voucher like um I'm not sure exactly how it's a voucher that because we do not put into

I have a septic so I don't put nothing there there is not even Water Service I mean if there's a fire at my house I might as well just roll everything in there yeah so he gets a budget from from right well so we used to have voucher voucher program we don't have that uh anymore uh we used to issue vouchers to any floor of a residents that they could

give to the acceptance hall or uh the septage hall that gets a reduced rate of uh dumping the septiced out of the treatment plan uh so an out of town resident uh it out of how so septage Hall of public time person they paid 66 dollars per thousand gallons uh if it's in the Fall River resident that they public out their septic tank uh it's 44 dollars per thousand gallons so the

septage hauler receives a 22 dollar disco per thousand gallon for any uh full of Resident so we used to issue vouchers to the full of residents now we do it electronically with the septage haulers they need to provide us a sheet of all the properties that they pulled from uh that's all put into a system electronically and that's how we Bond everything now so you don't have to call

for the voucher anymore you just let you accept the taller no that that dump you know that you're falling for Resident and they'll provide you the reduced rate again they get a 22 dollars per thousand gallons typical septic tank is about 2500 gallons or so so you know septage hole gets that discount when they come down to our plan what they pass on to their customer again is something that we can't

regulate but but I think that's something you as the person who's going to pay the septic oil you know should be well aware of in terms of being able to negotiate with them you know knowing that he's getting a break from me of course see I didn't know because the voucher you know I call I mean that must be a new thing recently as far as the voucher within the past two years we've gone

away from the vouchers and we're going to an electronic system because I did get it two years ago well there's something to keep in mind now for any future case where you're going to have it empty wait you know yeah get it there are some septage holders that do not offer a discount to their customers even though they get to the reduced rates and there are some that's feedback that I've got it from uh

some customers so you know best bet is to call around to uh together so the hauler doesn't have to develop and he dwells is where he picks up say like our house the house across the street no sewerage so he charges of what he wants and but he gets a break down there it's pretty much that's what my thing is like if I even if it's a break with a voucher or something because it's kind

of like I mean I know where my tenant house what I have to give out for sewer and what I get for water and obviously the rates are are high and obviously depending on the usage and I get it but there's no ins there's not like an incentive for the neighborhood to say hey you're not put into the system because obviously the more people that put into the system it over overloads it

and in that area there's no one that overloads anything so that's why I'm just saying I mean if the stormwater fees gonna at least if there's some kind of consideration in a future or something saying hey maybe we can change about the voucher thing instead of giving it to the vendor we can write I don't know I'm just using an example I don't know how it works with the city

but hey we can give the voucher to the homeowner as long as they can prove hey they got their septic pumped we can give a credit or something because I mean 360 I mean it's going I want to save 40 not even enough to bring my family out to McDonald's anymore so it's just like something just just something I don't care if I have to pay fees it's just if something can be done because obviously

it's just 360 dollars every two years I mean that's pretty much a stone Water fee so I'm paying extra on top of services that I'm not really getting into the city you know that's the I'm okay with pain I don't have no problem with paying to think that's the way it is but I just would you know like some kind of either something we can work out to be compensated for not put

into a system because I mean obviously we all know how how terrible he can get in a city I mean something gets backed up or water so I mean I don't care if I have to pay I just want to know if there's something in the future we can work together and say Hey you have to pay but if we can give you about your route because like I'm sorry I don't know

like the Avengers we all know what businesses do they get the credit the homeowners they get nothing like I said I got a 10 discount two years ago now if he said that it was 22 dollars per gallon uh 100 000 gallons oh okay maybe I say 50 bucks 60 bucks okay well if they can save 50 or 60 bucks every time to put fuel in their tanks they're going to do it and I'm never

going to see it I don't know what that voucher really says so I'm just saying if there's something in the future that could be discussed in just something to help people because like I said where I live I mean I'm paying tax I'm paying taxes just because of the size of my land my house I've had you know what I'm saying and I get it you got to pay your taxes but

every Department I've been to and appealed for on different things and just asked just for consideration because I mean you you pay taxes in a city for a tenant house with a little yacht and then you go to three acres there's a big difference there's a lot of difference in that that's why when people pay it that's why it's like even if it's something even if it's a voucher which

I'm grateful for but just like you said if it goes to a vendor it's not helping the homeowner yeah you know yeah um Paul yes how would we know if if an individual like Mr Morrow is uh benefiting by the 22 dollar in other words the only way I can see it is if they call up and say hey I paid this I thought you know it doesn't sound

like I I got anything is there any is there any is it is there anything is there any way for us to guarantee that the uh that the vendor is passing on that discount onto the uh to the Set uh to the person that's having the assistant pumped you know right now there is there is it's tough because it you know I don't see any way unless we try to regulate what septage Hall is charged charged

which I don't know if we would have the ability to regulate you know something in free covers like that you know it's not that's not a regulated utility or a regulated something that I don't think the city could possibly regulate I know but we basically set it up I believe to benefit the residents right yep now you know a lot like it all lies in the hands of the of the holla

because you know he's going to structure as to what he wants to get paid for his services and so forth and so on now if he if if we if we make it mandatory so that a resident feels as though he's benefited from it then I think it I think the hall it has to um the whole has to provide to the customer something that shows that he's getting the benefit

maybe case in point if if he's going to charge miss tomorrow let's say hypothetically five hundred dollars right in that five hundred dollars he's got a he's got to show him that there's a benefit he's showing there is a benefit of 22.22 per thousand whatever now some other Hollow May charge 400 but regardless the the uh the tenant ore in this particular case the owner of the property has to has to have some means

to show that he did he did get some benefit yeah right now how how the mechanism to do that I think we I think we have to think about and talk illegal because I think there's definitely some ramifications to it yeah uh any but what Mr Morrow is saying here it's you know he's he's no one's shown him how he's making anything yeah no without a doubt it you know again I

you know a hollow could you know obsess accept the truth absolutely as you could be dumping it in Plymouth or dumping it in Middleboro two which wouldn't offer Fall River a discount so you know they don't have to because they're pumping into Fall River they don't have to dump it down and I'll play it uh so that's one of the issue potentially could run into um but seeing that all of the haulers

are permitted to dump it up with through the Sewell commission and this little commission has the right to revoke their permissions to dump that Upland um there could be something though we could see what uh what can't be done so I don't know whether that would be something under the rules and regulations of septu chola's modification to those whose rules of regulations but it's definitely

something we can look into okay why don't we do that okay um so unless anybody any one of your Commissioners have a problem with waving the the service charges make motion to um you okay with this Scott fine okay okay um do we need to do a roll call uh nope okay you can do this variable yep okay all in favor I I propose none motion passes okay with respect to your appeal okay

we've heard you I've heard your argument I think the commission referred to argument and based on history of having listened to the same problem from other people and knowing what we the ordinance encompasses myself I'm going to ask the members of the commission to make a motion to deny that's going to be up to them as to whether they want to do it so I'm asking for a motion to deny your appeal from Mr true tomorrow

would you expect to payment of his someone that anybody want to make that motion motion to die second all in favor hi hi Scott you're with Ken yep all right okay Sylvia all right thank you all set all set thank you I appreciate you guys listening all right I know you guys probably give people coming in believe me just believe me there's going to be many more yeah just just want to

know if you did get a high bill on your uh on your multi-family in the city Avenue Lehigh uh I would contact top tie he's right behind you okay contact him tomorrow or whenever you get time uh maybe there's a leak in the property or something like that we could even send somebody out to look at well I don't think I don't think there's a leak it's just I received a bill for this okay the

last whatever six years and I've been paying it all right I can prove you made yourself like it might have been abnormally High I just want to make sure that you would jump on a leak or something quicker rather than later yeah they don't work over there anyways okay you don't have it you don't have any um any interest rates on the other property with respect to them but it's the strong Water fee for 600

but it's it's been paid for I mean okay all right but there was no interest charges added on to those I don't know I got the latest bill the property's always had a storm water keto right the other property yeah that's yeah but I understand you always paid it yep okay so I'm assuming that there was no internet okay thank you well thank you for your time all right good evening thank you

okay that takes us to um item number three I'm sorry item number four the CDM Cooperative agreement for CSO treatment facilities or optimization water receiving studies um and from what I gather from reading through what was presented uh here's the cost of that would be absorbed approximately probably about 90 percent of what would be absorbed by fake rat the amount of uh one million

one hundred and sixty three thousand dollars leaving those with a little less than two hundred thousand dollars to pay for what we need to do yeah the grid would be a 25 uh match that we have to do there are so the whole entire MVP grid for 1.1 million dollars uh includes this contract as well as one that we will have with uh City works at groundworks as well as us Dartmouth for some sampling within the

river so this is a portion of it and then we require a 25 match per month my my first question on it is which driving is to do it so this is all this excuse me is this all part of the uh administrative consent order yeah it is that what team about last January uh last December of 21. yes that came out and so forth and so which we

all have a copy of here and so forth um okay so I guess on that basis that we got to do it yeah you know this is something that uh EPA uh was looking for uh it's gonna uh we're gonna really take a look at our current CSO facilities the one at coke street in president Ave uh make sure that those are functioning uh as they should make sure the uh

call phone is being all the bacteria is being disinfected in the water that we're discharging making sure that the dechlorination prior to a peak discharge uh everything's working properly as well as uh study the river so the river the river and the Bay has a lot of impacts there's a lot of impacts Upstream uh other wastewater treatment facilities other storm water runoff facilities that

come down into the river private septic systems along the river that were there that run off into the river so it's gonna kind of try to figure out what we may impact the river and help other impacts to the river might affect sampling that we do the only problem the thing that comes to mind when I see something like this I've been on this board for a long time like Renee has and um Richard and

I I I gotta know that there has been surveys done tell us what's going coming from Attleboro all the way down what effect and um I bet you we go to a library sitting in some storage room that's that's as dedicated to this apartment that will show you this survey done this survey done and this survey done and I'm not I'm not knocking the need for it in terms of

the benefit we hope to get by it but um it just seems like um seems like we just keep adding to it yeah having said all that we're under a consent order the Regulatory Agencies uh need to know and you know make another point where okay exert their Authority and say we got to do it so um so having said that and getting that off your chest um this is um

this has a timetable from what I understand where it has to be completed by 2024 correct and that the money from the grant is going to be broken out within in the year 23 and 24. correct let's say in tune right um what's this um what's this part of part of what I've read through on it is um I guess CDM or or the city is gonna utilize an outside consulting company to provide um

means for educating the public as to what we're going to get out of it and how it's going to benefit them and everything a pole what groundwater groundworks groundworks yup you ever deal with them Terry so we haven't the city hasn't dealt with groundworks uh in the past years ago groundworks came around the international organization but there's a local chapter that was set up to work in Fall River New Bedford

um years ago I believe they approached Fall River uh and it didn't really take off in Fall River but they've been doing a lot of work uh in New Bedford over the past years uh they do anything from uh maintaining a retention areas to constructing different types of green infrastructure to a different type of environmental projects we producing heat eyelids and things like that so they are

uh they're a really good resource again that city has adapted to but they came to us about six months ago and were looking to move into Fall River they've got a really good foothold to do benefit they could do some good things I've taught a couple of their projects that they've worked out up there and it's been uh it's been it seems like it's been a good partnership between the city

and this organization uh there are there are non-profit and uh they work with they work with youth from the community so essentially they'll have the project leaders that work for groundworks but the people that actually do the work are students after school or anything like that they'll have you know local high school students to be able to actually physically do the work uh develop all the public Outreach

material go around knock out door-to-door build the presentations and stuff like that so that so they're working within the community uh using uh you know using the youth that are here providing them a job and paying them to do it so it's actually going to be I think it's going to be a really good partnership I'm using about this uh program as well as a couple other programs that we're doing um one other thing that

comes to mind with respect to what we're anticipating CDM to do it's going to be quite of one I can see it's going to be sort of pre-encompassing with respect to as it says here a CSO treatment facilities which I would think you know includes the plant as well now we're we're spending a lot of money right now down at the wastewater treatment plant we just finished phase one 45 million dollars whatever right and

we're in phase two for 55 another 55 I believe it is yeah 23 and 55. all right okay would would what CDM is going on hopefully provide for us will it include will it include the state of the uh means on disposal of sludge because right now all ocelots just going out I call it slouch it's liquid Swatch it's all going out 100 out the door is liquid question is

millions of dollars a year to get rid of it and we're spending a lot of money down there with the anticipation of when it's all said and done we're going to have something where hopefully you know that course of almost 3 million a year that we're spending to throw out you know liquid who's going to have something that's going to be a lot smarter and a lot less cost effective

is he would you would you anticipate CDM being involved in that upgrade so the contract to upgrade that went that were currently undone so that all the belt felt depresses right now on the contract two of those have all been removed there's going to be new Gravity thick it is gravity belt thick it is put into those rooms uh where the uh where the old dumpster uh garage was that would be belt filter

presses above that that dumped down into trailers so that we could ship out cake rather than liquid sludge and then all of the Gravity thickeners in the back uh the full gravity thickeners that we have are being fully rehabilitated uh and then they'll be used now as modded gravity thickness two of them is bottled gravity thick it is two of them is sludge mix but yeah so that'll greatly improve even

through this contract that we currently have ongoing we have the uh a temporary uh rotating drum thickener that started the plant right now that's been operating for about three weeks now which is online uh and so our sludge thickness went from about one and a half percent uh we're setting it about five or six percent out now so it's a lot thicker sludge a lot less Trucking involved nice all right so but CDM right

now is the driving force for the design and everything down there now yeah I guess what what I I would hope to see in this report that they're going to do is mentioning of the upgrades that we're anticipating to have in place to make things a lot better yeah okay because if they if they if we're asking to do an optimization of of what appears to be our treatment facilities which also includes uh you

know uh prison Avenue and Cove for reasons of chlorine and all that other stuff that I would hope that they would have reference to what where we're also shifted to a dominant the yard that's the point because because I mean with well granted we're getting it we're getting this we're getting the survey almost done for nothing yeah you know I like to see it to be pretty informative in that sense okay

um anybody have anything you want to say about this um so Scott yeah you understand what we're trying to do here um and as you get more involved you'll see that there's a lot more of these happening a lot um okay so having said all that uh is that unless anybody has any questions for the questions well I had any problems and want to get want to to a survey of this nature for almost nothing

yeah sure our staff we put together the application with the grid writer out of the mayor's office CDM assistant we put together some of the technical information for it but this is I think the so we actually got awarded two grants through the MVP the community utilities to Grants through the MVP program this year we've had three prior awards from them it's a program that we've been using a

lot and they've been great Partners so yeah kudos to you guys thank you yeah 1.4 million dollars good job good job uh okay anybody understand anybody has any comments about it yeah I want to turn the motion to um award contract the amount of one million 351 332 dollars to CDM for performing a CSO gym and facility optimization and water receiving study but he want to make that motion motion made anybody second second

all in favor hi aye opposed no okay thank you very much all right item number five is updates ongoing projects um for the most part this is just an update am I right but um we I think you're looking for forty thousand dollars to uh which is under the fifty thou you don't really need the um the commission's uh approvalana in terms of allocation of spending the money because it's under 50

Grand yeah correct but um go ahead Paul why don't you just give us a Blow by blow yep so just the first thing that's on here is uh the Forty thousand dollar regulatory support contract that was signed with CDM Smith uh this is to uh assist us with the rod going um uh ACO through EPA and also the consent order the federal court order from the lawsuit from clf there's always different types of reporting

requirements and everything like that so this is a contract for us to be able to use CDM for any type of support that we need to prepare reports for uh to stay comply it with either the federal court order or the uh consent data is this gonna it's gonna be really helpful for taking the burden off of yourself and this is Carrera over there and that young lady over there for having to yeah

put all these little repairs that get sent out to the world and everything without a doubt yeah I hope it does you know coming up this uh December we have a pretty decent report uh coming the end of the calendar year that's going to have to be due to show uh you know how much we've reduced uh CSU discharges in the past year and stuff like that so CDF

is going to be valuable with uh tries to do that good because um all right go ahead uh so the next thing with his your packet is just uh a project update what would have covered on the brothers sewer design uh so this was a project that was approved by uh by board um and uh the Project's moving along uh it just goes through the uh the uh gives you a pre-cut update of where the

project is um oh yeah I read through the just one I read through the consent order believe it or not I must have had a lot yeah I think I'll read this thing TBD Tubidy oh my God you know this you know order number one five three about power anyways it's pretty it's pretty um concise I guess in some respect but they're listed uh I said um in addition to having to um

more or less Justified and justify um procedures and how we decontaminate what's going out and wet weather at President Avenue and and Cove Street right because that's all part of that consent or that right we try to prove to them that what we're doing is holds water and whatever and so forth and towards the end of it though I found it kind of ironic that they said sort of like and by the way

when you've done all that I want you to I want to remind you you've got all these projects that you know you committed to saying you will do based on you know a certain uh plans and so forth that have been established in the past and that um we're basically going to hold you to the feet to the fire to have them done by the year you said you're going to

them and I'm looking at them all and so forth and so on and and uh I think I think we're pretty good yeah you know I mean I think for what you showed me the other day uh we talked about the other day uh of the 120 million dollar um Law and Order that we got out that was voted on by the citizens Fall River we've got committed and spent almost 100 million and uh

yes I think those so many items that was on that list though I don't think all everything on that list would fall under that 120.

I think there were some things there I didn't recognize as being on the on the list but one uh for the original loan for the original War order so all the projects that we've uh that we're working on are on the on the original destination the uh what does that uh so highest in the street uh was added as part of a press projects those were broke out into a separate contract

uh those were uh those were drainage okay projects where is that I just want to make reference so it should be right at the end of the uh

yeah right now I'm looking for the list uh that they said oh and he actually said total I think country yeah I got that separately all right I thought there was some one or two items that um I didn't I didn't recognize okay um so on page four

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yeah uh you know Central Street line in was that was that on the uh we haven't done that yet that's still but was that uh was that on the um 120 million yeah it was okay I didn't see I didn't recognize that yeah so some of the projects that we are doing that on on that list um the mother's broke sure project that is not part of that part of that

requirement but that does benefit uh the system overall uh it'll reduce iodine which will end up reducing flow down to the plant we've already started spending on all right yeah exactly we got a grant for that that's why that's why we're moving forward with that right now one of the other projects that wasn't required is part of the uh ACO that we're working on is the group 79 project thank you um

okay so we are doing we are doing other projects that we that you know that are required to do you know we couldn't let them run the whole type Route 79 for where they left off with the spaghetti ramps up to the Veterans Memorial Bridge without dealing with all the traders that needed to cross that Corridor you know because then we would have just probably been thinking it up in 10 years

from now which would have made any sense so that's why we we felt uh we had to go forward with some of those projects what's the land acquisition that we're anticipating doing on um what is that the state care yeah no so right across the street originally we uh in the integrated plan there was two properties that were identified a property at the corner of Turner Street in Duval and then 609 Duval Street were

both identified as properties to put in the city PS3 to disinfection facility with the development of the roof 79 plant we actually feel that it would be myself and the engineers feel that it would be better to be across the street with it where they're taking down Route 79 the movie if possible that'll be open vacant uh very good for the use that will lead to be able to put off facility

in the future so we're working with Dot and the administration to make sure that the apostle was slated for so we never bought that piece we did not we did I remember I remember we we we were we put it like this close is like we need it we want it and so forth Liberty owned it yeah and we were going to use it for some type of staging and stuff or what

we need for so that's out of the picture yeah we were talking with with that with the Liberty Utilities the property they owed into the south of that the uh 609 Duval Street we were talking with that property over for a number of years now and again with the way that they ended up designing Route 79 uh actually across the street is almost a pedest spot for us to be gets us away from the railroad

uh big free table the railroad as well as uh gives us more wave to be able to put our facility okay um this is we at the point we go into other unless anybody have any other questions there's not uh the next item as well other business all right I just got one thing about that I was taken by surprise about three months ago when lo and behold that shows up in my mail

is a complete listing of what the commission owns down at the wastewater treatment plant with respect I guess assets I always like I've been on this board a long time never ever saw something like that in addition to that there was also uh uh I think reports about maintenance projects that were going on down there and all that stuff but I I was I was surprised by just what's considered uh our property down there now

being from where I come from and having worked in Private Industry things of that magnitude we're always looked at really close because those were considered assets and and therefore it's considered money that's on the books and so forth and so on and and a great deal of effort was put into uh showing that that any particular item that was on the list um had attacked has some type of identification

which led to Ledger pages and all that stuff but I guess I guess my the thing that um I think about and having seen this is if we were to if we were to say change contractors down there right we gotta be sure that if they're saying if we if we say that's our stuff that at a time in which we're entertaining or executing a change of contractor that we've got to make sure everybody

understands that that's a lot of stuff that you know the contractor for whatever reason for him leaving isn't just isn't taken off and with a with a whole bunch of computers and stuff and so forth and I it's just it just makes sense that someone I guess it's I gotta say it's got to be the commission to all other other City you know the accountants or the Auditors or whatever the case may be has a handle

as to what we what's really always down there property tax and um I just bring that up only because it's pretty it's pretty encompassing what they say with God I mean think about it oh yeah without yeah so uh I just I just bring that I was I was amazed when I saw it and like I said it was the first time I'd ever seen something like that I think Paul

explained to me at one point that this is something that takes place either around an annual or assembly of annual basis because uh it's I guess the city values it in terms of assets that has a bearing on the on the bottom line in which the city says has possession so anyways it's it's an appointment you should make sure we keep an eye out we're keeping an eye on what we've got down there

so that's something that we'll be talking about within the decade uh probably six months so all right uh that's all I'd like to say anybody else have anything wanted to add to it it's not I'm taking a motion to return second okay all in favor hi thank you everybody appreciate your time