11.8.2022 Fall River City Council

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clerk will call the roll council is Kadeem here Dion here Kilby here hello Liberty Pelletier yeah Herrera here proposal here Washington here president Camara here pursuant to the open media law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit this meeting to any medium attendees are therefore advised such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or

unperceived by those present and not deemed acknowledged and permissible motion to open public hearings for numbers one through seven second a second all in favor hi I'm number one we have James Curran 656 Harvard Street for the removal of curbing as follows 660 656 Harvard Street curb cut on Eldridge Street the existing opening is 12 feet cribbing to be removed removed is 14 feet there is no curb to be added

combined proposed combined opening after proposed after alteration is 26 feet are there any proponents to this public hearing please come down to state your name and address for the record

hello my name is James Curran I live at uh 656 Harvard Street okay and your proposing proponent of this I am yes is that all you want to tell us about it uh so my wife and I are adding a two-car garage with living space over it just to accommodate a growing family and uh so we have a one car driveway right now I'm looking for a two-car driveway thank you thank you sorry the Apostle currently

has 12 feet curb opening the applicant proposal to remove an additional 14 feet of curbing resulting in the total combined opening of 26 feet are there any opponents to this public main room there being no opponents we'll move on to item number two item number two Mohammed Udin 693 New Boston Road for the removal removal of curbing as follows at 693 New Boston Road the curb cut will

be on Acacia Street existing opening is 16 feet curbing to be removed will be 16 feet there is no curb to be added combined opening proposed after alteration is 32 feet this applicant proposes to create a new 16-foot curb opening that is a distance of 12 feet from the existing 16 feet curb opening this proposal will result in a combined curb opening of 32 feet are there any proponents to this public hand come down

please state your name and address for the record foreign

just purchased a new construction house on 693 New Boston Road they did it two card garage with the driveway and then we have um three siblings my dad and my sister so we have total of five cars and it's a small Dead End Street uh really hard for us to park on the street and then get like trash removal and looking at the snow time it's going to be tough to cleaning so what we try

to do is get another 16 inch cut and then we want to do four more uh driveway because we have enough length um too so that's why we're asking for additional 16 inch thank you very much thank you are there any opponents to this public hearing seeing no opponents we will move on to item number three Brenda de Silva 41 Hayfield Lane for removal of curbing as follows at 41 Hayfield Lane existing opening is 16

feet curbing to be removed is eight feet there is no crib to be added combined opening proposed after alteration is 24 feet this applicant proposed to modify the existing 16 feet curb opening by an additional eight feet resulting in the total opening of 24 feet are there any proponents to this public hearing seeing no proponents are there any opponents seeing no opponents will move on to item number four to bury

Council do you have any um to the clerk I'm sorry do you have any written anything written opposing or supporting this just make sure that we didn't receive anything I don't believe we did on this no we did not okay thank you do you have any to any other of the Republicans man o'clock do you know what we did on one and would you just we haven't we haven't gotten to

that one yet but yeah when we do you'll just yes take okay thank you item number four tiberio Jacinto for a 245 Fieldstone Lane for the removal of curbing as follows at 245 Fieldstone Lane the existing opening is 16 feet curb to be removed is eight feet there's no crib to be added combined opening proposed after alteration will be total of 24 feet this applicant proposes to modify the existing 16 foot curb opening

by an additional eight feet resulting in a total opening of 24 feet are there any proponents to this public hearing seeing none are there any opponents to this public hearing seeing none we'll move on to item number five Michael Ozark 34 Manton Street for the removal of curbing as follows at 34 Manton Street the existing opening is 16 feet curb to be removed is 5.2 feet curving to be added is none combined

openly proposed after alteration is 21.2 feet this applicant proposes to modify the existing 16 foot curb opening that currently accesses the property at 34 Manton Street the owner requests to extend the existing opening by 5.2 inches which will align the opening with the existing driveway beyond the city sidewalk this proposal will result in a total opening of 21 feet 2 inches are there any proponents to

please come down and state your name please and address for the record Michael Ozark 34 Mountain Street removal of the crib will not affect on-street parking that's good to know councilman seat six Council hold on Mr Jose we might have a question for you

that the driveway that's right against that wall that you got there you're taking five feet out of there which I don't think you need at all two two yeah but what we're gonna do with the wall what wall was my blind I don't see the wall there there's a wall there with the five feet you want to take off there's a wall right there at the end of your driveway I was there today

well it's off scented from the other garage and no it's difficult to get in and out because a lot of people who park right up against my driveway and I have difficulties let me tell you you're going up the streets this way you're turning turning left you're not coming down the turn right I I back in because uh I can't I can't see traffic I would back out I have to drive out well I I

you know clock and stuff there you got two already and you want to snag another one no it's not it's not going to affect the parking well the parking is over uh oversized you know you got to think of your neighbors too I mean I want to send this to the committee unless you guys want to do what you want to do with it but I don't think it's fair if you can park to

and take that piece out the driveway and there's a wall right there but that spot is all the size for one car some people try to park two cars then they block my driver then have a difficulty getting in and out because if you want to send it to a community instead of getting back and forth at this particular moment I'll make a motion out to the center committee okay a second

while they can go up and look at it all right thank you Mr Roosevelt are there any opponents to this public hearing any opponents Mr President we did have someone call the office that was an opponent to register as an opponent okay is it all she did or do you want to give her name and address for the record yep there was a Carlos Aruda at 48 Manton Street that's registered as an opponent

okay so maybe we should refer to a committee and have them both come down and find out why it should or should not come okay you know opponents will move on to the next one item number six David Pike 91 Globe Street for the removal of curbing as follows at 91 Globe Street existing opening 11 feet on foot Street crimp to be removed 16 feet on Globe Street there is no curb to be added

combined opening proposed after alteration is 27 feet the parcel currently has an 11 foot curb opening on foot Street the applicant proposes to remove an additional 16 feet of curbing on Globe Street resulting in a total combined opening of 27 feet are there any proponents to this public hearing please come down sir state your name not just for the record

uh David Pike 91 Globe Street um the reason I need this I have a camper and trying to get out onto foot street is very difficult because it's a one-way Street now going down a globe Street would be a lot easier a lot safer no one parks in front of my house anyways and I am on the hydrant side so even when there's storms no one would be needed to park there over there

thank you very much Mr Pike are there any opponents to this public hearing opponents seeing now seeing none move on to item number seven Catahoula Development LLC P.O box 1983 for the removal of curbing as follows at 351 Danforth Street existing opening is 22 feet curbing to be removed 74 feet curb to be added 16 feet combined opening proposed after alteration will be 80 feet the parcel currently has a 22 foot curb

opening the applicant proposes to construct an eight-unit townhouse development each unit will require 10 foot curb opening resulting in a total combined opening of 80 feet of the existing curb opening 16 feet will be closed the remainder of which Falls within one of the proposed 10 foot openings are there any proponents to this public hearing please come down and state your name and I just

good evening Frank Marconi 31 symbol Village Road Attleboro Massachusetts Mr President counselors we purchased a a parcel on Danforth Street between Cedar and walnut the parcel is directly behind the Animal Rescue League we have a proposed four unit duplex townhouse Styles each unit will have underground parking in other words a garage in addition uh to to the driveway so um there'd be two parking spaces per unit

and we believe that we've taken no parking from the area and it's also worth mentioning this is a blighted lot that has sat there for a while excuse me Frank you said four units the paperwork says eight units yes Mr President it's eight units but it's four duplexes okay thank you Council C3 Council Kobe yeah because through been through planning already yeah I've been through planning uh site review uh

Mr ferlin's office which has been approved to a place yes yes it has yes okay thank you Council Council C2 Council vice president Dion so if I'm understanding it correctly um one unit will have underground parking one unit will have say four units will have underground parking four units will have driveway parking uh no no ma'am um each unit has a garage underneath and the driveway

okay so there's two parking spaces under the building for each unit and the driveway gives them access to that that was like one parking space in the garage and one parking in the driveway all right thank you with that ideal thank you thank you very much for watching me thanks thank you Mr President counselors thank you are there any opponents to this public hearing any opponents hearing none and that being the final

public handle let's say in a motion to close should have closed the public hearing do we um oh I have to complete this I'm sorry I apologize we have number item number eight tax classification adoption of the percentage of local tax levy to be born by each class of property for fiscal year 2023 will the proponents please come down

could you also please state your name not just for the record yes council president before we start we have to re reconvene our meeting we we had a recess uh prior meeting um and I just need a quick uh motion right here Mr chairman and I move we go back into session I second that uh roll call Rich Wilson's yes time 6 19 6 19 we're back into the Open session at the city council chambers

Mr gonzag you must like working with that committee simple

okay ladies and gentlemen we're here to uh set uh the classification Factor uh basically we don't set it you people do we're here to recommend and um before I do that I every year I come to the this group and I pretty much State what what's happened throughout the year um what's going on uh how we compare to some of the communities um and uh there's a lot of paperwork here excuse me here but um

this has been a great year for us and what I mean by that is our values our total residential values have gone up 12 percent the commercials have gone up one percent personal property and let me find that for you please

have gone up 59 percent and our total net worth of the city now is over seven billion dollars would it be and um our new growth now New Growth has been set at 3 million 743 846 dollars the breakdown of the new growth is residential 39.5 percent commercial industrial 4.6 personal property 55.9 and the reason for the growth in personal property it's been about a year our utility companies

we value all the gas lines that are on the ground we value poles and wires and that alone has brought in 67 million dollars just in the gas lines the Liberty gas company has been a very good partner with this they have repaired 15 miles of gas line which is an incredible amount so when we drive by and we see the trucks out there and and we say to ourselves there's an inconvenience that inconvenience relates

to tax dollars at the end of the day because they're replacing these lines so from that perspective we had an excellent year and I did a little study this afternoon and I wanted to go back to our new growth and because I've been involved with the city for quite a while and I go back onto Gateway and you can only go back on the Gateway since 2002.

so when I went back onto Gateway in 2002 to 2023 3.7 million was that is the highest that I can recall there may be other years that I wasn't around for but that is a that is a good size and just to give you a reference 2002 when they were keeping these numbers on Gateway it was 411 thousand dollars last year was our largest number and that was three million 379 723

now uh before I get into any stats I remember coming here quite a few times and I would remember council president Kamara asking us all the time how do we compare to New Bedford New Bedford New Bedford is where we want to compare it to right so when I look at the numbers and I'll find them so New Bedford hasn't set their rate yet and they haven't set their values so

we're ahead of them on that end so when I look at when I look at last year's values versus this year's values and our Market's gone up 12 percent and I would equate the their Market going up at least the same because real estate is is is going up and the reason why it goes up that amount is because we have to use 2021 sales we cannot use 22 for our

majority and that's the years of there was a lot of appreciation so we have to we have to abide by the DOR rules and they have to as well so I you know again I don't work for New Bedford but I can tell you this that that market is is going up the same I work for other communities and the 12 to 15 range is what's happening so what I did was I I

was Ultra conservative I just used last year's numbers so right now our new number in Fall River the average the median not the average because last time councilor Kadeem had asked me come back with the median and I did so I'm using the median of 313 000 even new bedford's median from last year was 260 000.

925 that's a fifty two thousand dollar increase as higher than New Bedford now what does that mean well it means investment wise we're a better investment and our values are 20 worth more forever versus New Bedford now let's talk taxes taxes new bedford's rate last year was four thousand fifty four dollars and seventy seven cents that was the average tax bill if you and I'm not telling this

Council what to do so I use the worst case scenario the worst case scenario is at 1.75 which is which is kind of like what excuse me where you're maxed out at 1.75 that would equate to the median being three thousand eight hundred forty dollars and fifty one cents with 214 dollars and 26 Cents less right now with that scenario and I can tell you this at the end of the day it's

going to be higher in New Bedford because I'm sure their their values are going up and I'm sure their Levy is going up as well and by the way New Bedford has a 20 million dollar excess I shouldn't say excess Levy capacity but their Leverage is 20 million dollars more than we do they're around um if we're I believe I love it is what was it yeah 24 million 24 million more

so that's the numbers that I see on comparisons um what I did in the charts that I sent to you was uh I did it in different um scenarios up from the 175 it really doesn't uh pay to go beyond because you're at a level now 175 is the maximum shift that you shift into the commercials so anything below that line what it simply means is that the residents are paying more

so at that case when I look at the numbers and let me find them bear with me

so at the one seven uh five shift which is again the maximum the median price family increase again on three hundred and thirteen thousand one hundred and fifty dollars for the year it's 259.52 that's the number and then anything below that the numbers simply go up as you as you decide to to go below 175 you're shifting more to the residence questions yeah my question's really been answered

as I was going to ask about the new girl to compared to you know prior years and you you answered that so we're at 1.75 now right and um the increase New Growth increases one percent for commercial and how much for residential again the the residentials are going to go up uh 259.53 I apologize I didn't talk about the commercials so what's what's happening with the commercials are the commercials are going down

so at the max the commercials are going down and that's no fault of our own they're going down 829.97 on a on a 689 thousand dollar assessment that's what's happening and uh that's Council kamari's ask all the time I was going to ask about the New Bedford comparison to which you answered so we're at one you know I'd be just in favor of staying where we are 1.75 so that your what's the administration's recommendation

uh what I don't speak for the administration but but I would say you're at the max and anything below that means you're shifting more to the residence great I agree thank you Mr President thank you Council concert seat eight Council Washington very invigorate that was exciting thank you so if I'm hearing correctly I just want to clarify the city is in really good fiscal standing that's correct and if I'm hearing

correctly it's one of the best years since 2002. that's correct so I think the residents at home need to hear that the city is in good standing right now and and let me say this it's in I look at new growth as an investment so people spend their money wisely and they're investing in the city they have faith they have hope in government and I and I say that every time I come

until I see the numbers drop when those numbers start to dip we can't sell a house anymore and I we have to have areas that are boarded up because we can't move the property that means a combination of few things government's not working and and I see this policy here the government's working everybody's working together and it and the way I see it and I've been involved for 41 years in this

business investment in this city has never been there that's that high that is amazing to me so that I wanted to touch on that 41 years of your experience and you are saying that Fall River is a good City to invest in absolutely I'm here I hate leaving that's fantastic with that I yield thank you very much yeah thank you so the increase would be 259 a year what portion of that is the um

debt exclusion for Durfee High School because it's still not broken out which we were told it would be broken out when the tax bill but we cannot break it on the tax bill you can't break it up you cannot break it up the DOR will not allow us to do that in the system it's one it's One Rate One Number your tax bill is one number but yet that's a totally separate um

but yet the drippy uh I I can't I have a hard time understanding that just because the uh debt exclusion is a totally different animal from the tax bill if we didn't have Durfee you'd have a specific number for the taxes so you're adding the debt exclusion to it so I just feel people should be able to know what Durfee High School is costing them I can figure it out for you okay I'd

appreciate that I had that number but uh Scandal do you want us to take a one minute recess or um Mr President can I just quickly yeah you can't see to do you yield to the country just the point of information I know the council has been requesting this for uh quite some time now but the Department of Revenue has a an actual spreadsheet that you can just plug in for any type

of debt exclusion you put the dollar amount in there and it'll tell you what the impact is going to be on the tax rate for if it's a 20-year Bond or a 30-year Bond um so I don't I don't know where Council on C2 would like to go with this but I think it's something that can be generated you know moving forward I can forward the link over to the administration in terms of the uh you

know where you can find that that's right all you do is eliminate the text so you're not a different textbooks you can but there's a little bit more that goes into that because it impacts the tax rate with the value so you can you will know for every hundred thousand dollars the impact of the tax rate will be for specifically for the debt exclusion okay so I I but but I I guess uh when I look

at it and this year you guys are using uh two million two hundred and twenty five thousand two million 250 yeah 250.

so if you use that number it equates to something like out of the total uh excess in our Levy um it equates to like two percent of the total Levy because it's two it's two million if you take the two two million and divide that to 2.5 2.5 and if we divide that by the uh it's 250 right and if we divide that by the um estimated Levy is 126 is that the number we're using yes

it's two percent two percent of the bill yeah but I think they're looking for a specific dollar amount right so for every every hundred thousand dollars is at twenty dollars is it fifty dollars is it a hundred dollars yeah so but I guess instead of just trying to work all I'm suggesting is that there is a spreadsheet it's already built all you have to do is plug in three or four numbers and it will

generate for the 20 years each year with the taxpayer will expect to pay because because once that debt is paid it comes off the tax roll right correct so I think people just need to know what the dollar amount is they can anticipate when it'll come up off the tax roll um you know it was promised from day one that that would happen it would be a separate line item on the tax bill

um and it has been told more than once that it can happen and I think people just they're paying the bill they're paying the taxes they're paying to build the school they just need to know the bottom line well one thing we did is what the uh I guess the last time the the the issue was uh go in for the preliminary Bill we added on so that impact is probably going to be

if when when the taxpayer looks at his actual bill when it comes out and when we when he looks at his preliminary bill that we did it's probably only like maybe I want to say between a 15 and 40 dollar increase for the whole year because when we come up with these numbers of 200 uh 259 dollars on on the median house chances are the preliminary bill went out an extra 225. so that'll be the

difference so that was a good move that was done because impact wise what happens is they would look at the taxpayer day would look at the actual bill and look at their preliminary Bill and see the increase of let's say 300 or 400 multiply that times four times and that's not really what's happening that's for the full year and then we would have a lot of calls in the office saying hey my bill went up twelve

hundred dollars and that's not what happened it went up for what you have to do is compare your actual to your prelim the difference and then divide it by four that's that's how you do it but the fact of the matter is that when we increase the prelim that's going to minimize those phone calls because we're not going to see those large increases and we I we will get that number for you

but I believe we provided something at the budget time for the dirty jet exclusion and the cost I just have to put my finger back on that document how long will it take you to get that to us a week two weeks oh no I mean I'm gonna look at it in the next few days okay thank you all right that would be appreciated um I apologize I had that I had that

number at the end of the day I I did the breakup on I actually did what two and a half was percentage-wise from the increase of the of the 259 I had what two and a half was what the doofy uh that that exclusion was and I also had what um the new growth was the new growth I can tell you this the new growth is your largest figure so it's

like 65 yeah 65 dollars that's what it boils down to it's 65 for two and a half 65 for the high school that's right on a median house on a median house of that 259. the median of 3 3. yes right that's what it boils down to and the rest of it right is the new growth because your new growth is 3.7 see we're two and a half you're only bringing in

like pretty close to that two and a half million dollars so that's basically 18.75 a quarter that's right if you want to look at it that way from the high school but it's even less than that the fact that the matter is we pre-build them in the prelimit area we estimated the bill we estimated the bill to to minimize that burden impact okay thank you and my only other comment would be I would support

um Council in seat three with leaving it at a 1.75 thank you without a yield thank you and the contraband's up a good point there are a lot of people who do want to know what that if a separate bill would be and how long it's going to take to pay it off and how it's affecting them so I think it's important that you get that to us and appreciate

you doing that in the next few weeks thank you counter seat seven control proposal yeah really quick question I just want to know what the property types are on the assessment classification report so one-on-ones I understand single families one or two's condos okay 103 109.

miscellaneous 109's two houses on the lot 104. two family 105. three family 111 and 125. uh apartment buildings with how many units uh 111 is a 40 48 units there's a 112 you don't see it a 112 is over eight units um and then the other three are vegan land 130 to 132 130 is buildable 132 is not available

that's that's called our building the garage or whatever not a house but a building okay and then uh 12 to 43.

012 to zero four three mixed use commercials different types thank you sir thank you Council all right there'd be no further question I think all of you for coming down as my opponents thank you very much uh president may I say two things and I don't want to forget uh fifth one is I'd like to thank the cooperation of the council the administration my board I should I say my board the board that I represent

Richard Wilson Nancy highnote Bridget set and I hope I don't miss anybody but the office staff they've been tremendous I've been in Heavenly involved in teaching them they're doing a wonderful job and I can tell you this the city is getting very very complicated because it's growing and then next year we have a reval we have right now a team that's out there doing house to house measuring listing

they're almost complete in the cooperation most of all that we got from the citizens of Fall River has been excellent and that what I'd like to do is ask Mr Wilson to um re Recon rejured sorry about that that's okay I'm getting old uh second net roll call yes time 6 49 649 thank you everybody have a great day thank you Richard it's a great committee that there are there any opponents to this public

hearing the opponents seeing none I'll entertain a motion to close the public motion close public hearing I'm sorry Council seat one Council team before we close okay good so a colleague in C2 was just asking about the impact of the value so on the 2 million 250 uh thousand dollars the assessed on an assessed value of 250 000 the impacts of the tax rate would be sixty dollars assessed value of 350 000 would be 84.

450 000 assessed value would be a hundred and eight dollars 550 000 would be 132 dollars 650 000 would be 156 750 000 would be a hundred and eighty dollars and then eight hundred and fifty thousand uh 204. those annual annual costs correct So based on the FY 20 tax rate okay I'm sorry FY 22.

new Council for that information entertain a motion to code public hearings proportion clothes are made by Contra proposal seconded by Council Pereira all in favor you guys have it time has not come to uh Public Enemy is closed did the College Community of Finance or come to order clerk will call the road Dion here Kilby yeah well Liberty Pelletier yeah Herrera here raposo yep Washington here

and president Panera here I just want to make a statement that Council Liberty had called the clerk's office and said that um I think she was traveling and her flight either got delayed or postponed that she had a difficult time getting back into the city tonight just want to make that clear pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may

transmit this meeting to any medium attendees are therefore advised at such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and not deemed acknowledged and permissible first we have a couple of individuals that want to speak before us first we have Colin dies subject matter MBTA thank you okay thank you um council president and members of the city council

I wanted to speak today on Election Day regarding the agenda Florida city council going forward I believe there's some areas the council could work to to address the issues of Housing and affordability issues in this community I believe short term and we've seen it at the last meeting we could support our local parks work towards supporting our local parks our infrastructure is very important

and other ways we can do we can support we can we shouldn't vote for every property tax and be increased at the administration proposes we can look on how we can pay close all all the pay increases we all complain about every single year in the budget pay increases there again not in accordance with ordinance sometimes um some of these positions that we see in unaffordable housing and I know other

communities have looked into other ways we can look into this we can restructure our zoning laws I know Boston's created affordable housing task force that's something that our cities down here in the South Coast should look into the city council can hold the administration accountable and ensure they are not holding back on applying for any grant for State Federal grant funding for market for affordable housing

city council can make sure in the city can make sure that market rate developers the politically connected aren't getting any favors from the administration when they go through a fair as they go through a fair process as all others and I'm just speaking on comments from the last meeting I believe this the campaign that was against joining the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority again it wasn't

a vote for rail service it was a vote to join or not the MBTA I don't think anyone here hates trains anti-train I think it was about acknowledging that this city has not taken any steps to address the affordability issues that we face and that we want to see an Administration that addresses them is a city that's not prepared and I think it's the responsibility of of our officials to come up with positive

concrete issues to address them and hopefully we can do so going into the next election and I will say I believe it is disheartening when we hear comments from the last city council meeting if you don't move forward you're moving backwards or if you're listening to podcasts and you hear your elected officials say you're afraid if you do not vote to join the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority

um I believe those con fermenting con it's fomenting language such as that that we avoid discussion is discussing issues just to appease supporters of a ballot question I believe that's not only a disservice to the community I believe that is the way you move a community backwards and I think it's the cast aspersions on our assumptions on how voters feel about about question assuming why they don't

support a ballot question is not becoming to the city we should listen to both sides of any ballot issue that comes before the city and and I thank you for your time council president thank you thank you thank you next we have Nelson Vasquez subject matter Moment of Truth

oh Nelson basketball has two ten Sunset Hill Fall River um just real quick uh we're gonna know how eventually financially strong the city is once an apple money is gone because um that's second Moment of Truth is coming very soon you know it's been a great pleasure bringing the facts to the people about uh bringing this form of transportation into our city we don't know how this vote is going to go but

given the uh inflation being one of those reasons and energy costs going up for families as uh those reported over six sixty percent you know Milton Friedman once said there's no such thing as a free lunch residents in New Bedford are already being displaced those LLCs are not even waiting until the end of this election today and that was a couple weeks ago to hear one side see on the airwaves and publicly

don't worry about if you vote for this you don't have to worry about anything this if the people vote for this is going to Bear down a very very horrible human toll on homeowners and renters and it's not going to be long before people start pointing their finger and the thing is they're not going to point the finger at me calling or anybody else who votes with us they're going to point the finger at

everyone who said publicly to vote for this it's just to to hear and I have respect for Council Pereira I respect for all elected officials but if you're going to Advocate it's your fiduciary fiduciary obligation to Advocate all sides of the equation to know what the people should expect because to insinuate that they don't have to worry about any financial burden is ludicrous and given the Financial uh

atrocity with the MBTA as reported by channel 5. it's only going to leave obviously with more uncertainty if our residents say yes everything we said is factual and is proven to be right so um I look forward to seeing what this vote is but if the city votes no just take it from me you'll be you you will say hallelujah by not dropping on board onto that track because if this question passes today in

January you can expect our residents renters to to receive those eviction notices and we already seen a post online of someone who lives here already we're seeing a notice to evict like this this is good this is going to be Mr Vazquez 30 seconds left yes sir so um you know thank you for your time and uh once again I appreciate everyone taking part in this election both sides and let's see how it goes thank you

thank you item number two is a resolution the administration the administrator of community utilities investigate the possibility of harvesting energy from specially designed in pipe turbines table it was adopted on December 14 2021 please come down Mr Phillip let me give us an update please yes good evening Council so on the resolution that was uh that was provided to me I went and I took a

light look at uh in pipe turbines uh uh hydropower essentially being able to be put into a drinking water system um through the research that I did there is some communities uh uh Portland Oregon being one of them as well a couple of California that have used this type of Technology um and I did a lot of Internet research on different companies that have looked at this type of technology technology has

been around since uh early mid to 2000s um laughs some of the requirements of this technology that you're looking for within a particular type of infrastructure system would be something with a high static head so that means what is way up high and you're trying to move it to way down low um you're trying to do that without the use of pumps or electricity um you're looking at large transmission

lines uh anywhere from 24 was uh was one of the smallest size transmission lines that they like to put these in up to 96 inch transmission lines um the other type of systems that these would be good for is ones that are pressure reducing valves or that have lower pressure zones so if you have uh you know part of your system is pumped at a certain pressure but you have another

section of your system that's lower and you have to go through a pressure reducing valve potentially rather than going through a pressure reducing valve you could potentially go through a Hydro power in pump unit to be able to do that that's pretty much usually one connection point the other thing that they also look at when they look at these is a constant velocity and a constant flow through the system so you

don't they don't they really don't like variability or change and they always like to run at a higher velocity typically Fall River our water system is an extremely robust water system uh started back in 1870 was the original implementation in the form of the water department back through the early 18 the late 1800s up to the early 1900s the city was growing and uh installing its infrastructure it created a very

branched network of network system that we have so most of the system is fed in multiple different ways through multiple different parts of the city um which with these types of system creates a bit of an issue um so our system is would be really tough to look to install some of these uh some of these n-pipe turbines uh the type of system that you would like so if you look at uh

Portland Oregon they have a reservoir that is high up on the mountain they have two parallel above ground transmission lines that feed from those reservoirs come all the way down and gravity feed through the whole entire city so that's where they were able to implement some of some of these turbines uh the other thing that we do not have in our system we do not have any pressure reducing valves throughout our

whole entire system as I said our system is Branched very well so the pressure that everybody receives the one thing that we do have is to elevated pressure zones uh one in the far north and the industrial park one in the far south end down next to uh Haskell Hill so we actually have to have booster pumps that pump the water up to elevate the pressure within those areas the robust Branch system that we have is

very good for fire protection and being able to provide constant flow if we were to try to minimize that branching to be able to funnel water through a specific area or one of these turbine systems could potentially impact fire flow to particular areas of the system the way that our distribution network is set up the largest pipe that we have within our system is a 36 inch that feeds uh from

uh plant down on Bedford Street up Bedford Street uh to Eastern Avenue uh after that we have pretty much 24 and smaller throughout our whole entire system uh so so looking at that that was some of the things uh that I found again I did a lot of research on this I spoke with uh um

um Mr Ferlin who what company did you contact did you contact any company and talk to them yep so I spoke uh with uh which company Lucid which was a company that uh was out of Portland Oregon I contacted them uh and they looked at typically larger systems uh so that was the uh the larger one that I found I spoke with a contact from uh Bangor Maine who they looked to

install they had a local company that was into this type of power and uh they uh they went they looked to install them I think it was uh in the 2008-2009 time frame did you talk to any companies that developed these turbines and those companies the companies blue city was one of the one companies that developed Bangor Maine was just the city itself yeah it was the municipality so

the only one was Lucidity to talk about that all right Mr President this resolution was filed on December 14th in 2021. part of this resolution was that a presentation be delivered to the committee on finance within 90 days we're well over 90 days if um you know I think we brought this forward to see if this was another way to save money if it's not I don't need to hear a whole dissertation of when the water

department started or whatever and I know that Mr frilling is trying to do the best he can and it's not his fault that this resolution took so long to get here but I would give it motion leave to withdraw and move on to the next item on the agenda just have one more counselor and I agree with Council but I can't just thank you forward so we can thank you

thank you well I guess I was just going to try to get to the cross box of it basically the question is is the return on investment or the savings worth the investment because if it isn't I agree Grant leave to withdraw if we have a system that is not conducive and isn't going to help it's not worth you spinning your wheels and anybody wasting their time correct with that I yield thank you my colleagues understanding

this is in the committee on finance and you're trying to clean it up we need to clean it up so I don't want to just get rid of it and not give it any attention we can have discussion we can have them say whether it's a go or not a go and we can dispose of it as we're doing right now I give it motion leave to withdraw second motion's been made to lead to a

job accounts prayer a second by Council Kilby all in favor aye

next we have discussion on the fiscal year 2023 first quarter budget report

foreign do you want to give us a brief overview of the budget to tell us where we're standing if there's any deficit to any departments we should be worried about or and it will take entertain questions from the councils please so you should have all received um an updated um four to one Revenue as you can see uh we're a quarter of the way through the fiscal year and we've received about a

quarter of our revenues and we've expended in some departments a quarter but overall in the whole city just under I think it's about 15 yeah 15 of our expenditures I think we're doing very well and watching what we're spending and what we're buying and I can entertain any questions I'm a tri counter seat seven count proposal quick question on the local receipts can you clarify what the

non-recurring local receipts are yep so there's um some miscellaneous receipts that get in there and the big item in that right now is the opioid money that had come down so that will we will be coming to you to move that money um out of that but the way the Commonwealth it had to come into a local receipt so that's why we had to put it and what was that total uh the

opioid money that's about 153 000.

and then the remaining balance um I don't know the details of all of that but it's like I think it just literally it's just miss I'd have to have to get details of what is in the 47 000 the miscellaneous non-recurring receipts can you share that when you have a moment sure thank you very thank you accountancy two Council Dion yeah the uh marijuana excise is that lagging somewhat it's only at 17 and a half percent

so the way that the marijuana excise tax comes in and that it's back the way it goes back to the previous months and then you get it later it's it's a little wonky how that does come down so it doesn't come down exactly like all the other excise taxes from from uh the state Solid Waste other charges 30 um what would that be in terms of receipts on that same first page

so I think I believe most of that is made up of when like if somebody's disposing of a mattress or like large items have we been doing better with people paying for what they want to get rid of as opposed to just randomly dumping it um any Improvement is better than random dumping uh so I would say that there's been a number of things that especially since Mr denmead has taken over uh

oversight of of DCM and the Lewiston Street facility um uh he's put in place a number of measures where they've centralized how they're taking cash for those tickets so I think we are doing much better I think the team down there generally has been doing a really great job of figuring out um a figure out the best way to to track that cache to make sure that people are paying for what they're getting rid of

um it was certainly it was before this fiscal year but uh I know that uh Charlie was already looking for uh I think a different way to get rid of mattresses so there's a lot of changes have been happening there and I think it's led to some improvements like you'll see we're ahead of the game by the end of the year that's good that's good to hear um I'd like to jump to City expenses page two

Reserve fund expenses we have unclassified Reserve fund um I didn't bring my budget I feel like that number changed from the budget book to now I should not have changed that's the same unreserved that was yeah I didn't bring the budget but let me shame on me um there was there was a discrepancy in the number and that's what I wanted to ask about but I don't have the budget

book with me at the moment so just just as a reminder one of the things we talked about when we did the budget is that all the money that we thought we might need for increases as part of the the respective collective bargaining agreements the different Union agreements that we were going to reach but had not yet reached was all put in that Reserve so we would have the money

when we needed it so that's what that was if you recall um I'm gonna I'm gonna look for it because I feel like for some reason this number is higher than what was in the original budget and my curiosity was why what the discrepancy was um so on page the very next page it's page seven hmm uh let's see other governmental expenses from the general fund for Reserve fund governmental expenses are increased

so the effect uh I don't know don't mind me I'm off that was not what I wanted that was a whole all right never mind now I know where I went I took that from the budget board hang on okay yes so I did I took it from the budget book so in the budget book it was two million six hundred thousand four twenty nine and here in quarter one it's two million eight

hundred seventy eight thousand four twenty nine so there was a two almost uh 278 thousand dollar discrepancy that's what was my question how that changed by that much from the budget book to the quarter one report I will look into that there must they would have combined something to get to that number but I will look into that yeah that was page seven in the budget book so I did bring it with me anyways

okay so good I feel better okay let's get a clarification when you say um they put it in who's working on this budget who puts us together to your department this is the city Auditors that puts together this so this is a manual process that takes well over a week to put together okay and we're actually we are putting things in um some procedures in place to streamline this so that it won't take a full week

to put together and they won't be this Manual of adding there's over 2 000 accounts in the general fund okay so we're trying to reduce like any kind of carbonate you know combining accounts right just I get a question I get asked it's just that 278 000 is is a considerable number I agree but I just need to find this out as well is um Mr I Capone's still working for the city as a

consultant or in any capacity he is and you said how much longer is he going to be Consulting do we know I mean what's what's how much money we paying him it's I know we had them before we had treasure in place and everyone else but now how long is these what's the plan with Mr component he's just going to be here for how long so it's it's certainly not to have him here indefinitely uh

he's been an invaluable resource and I think has really helped with the transition um uh for with the new CFO new auditor we have a number of young people in there um but at this point his time is significantly reduced from what it was last year uh and we'll continue to reduce that time we're very much in the midst of putting a plan together to figure out how much longer we need Mr

agaponi as well as assessing all of the different uh talents and resources in um the uh on the financial team and how that team is working so I can have a better answer for you probably at some point in the next couple weeks because I know that we're uh we're caught we're talking about that um the CFO has just put in place a pretty remarkable new software package that's going to help with modeling and

planning it's also going to help with labor negotiations going forward so we understand what the impact of different Agreements are going to be just a much more intentional way of going forward which I think to something because that was what Mr I Capone provided in the interim between Miss sahadi and Ms almond and so I think the need for his presence is lessening because there are so many

very very competent people doing good work here now so I see that okay I'm glad to see you've been listening if we need to train people quicker let's just find out a way to do it I mean Miss Thai Capone I think he's been around for quite a little some time and if he's working less and people getting trained let's let's just try to get him here more and train them quicker so they can

get on and we can move on because I guess he's not very inexpensive understood um no that's a very fair point Mr President and um and we have every intention of continuing to lessen our Reliance not just on Mr Capone but on uh consultants in general okay thank you so much for the answer and I appreciate it constantly too so I apologize for that just happened on page three under ordered his office there was a

retirement on apparently an unexpected retirement buyout um Unwritten I mean 19 728 that wasn't budgeted for and I I know I saw a couple of other uh buyouts that seem to be unexpected um how many how many total buyouts did we have that we weren't anticipating and how does that affect um the fact that those weren't budgeted for originally so the one that happened in the artist it was not anticipated uh we

unfortunately lost a valuable employee to the school department so we you know that was not we wouldn't have known that at budget time and there's been a few others in some other departments that if they don't let us know so we are moving forward to start my practice will be to budget to try to anticipate so as I'm meeting with department heads we discussed that so the thing about buyouts is that

um they're not limited to retirements so if somebody resigns moves to another position uh there's an obligation obviously to to with depending on how they're characterized if they're part of union or not or you know they have a contract I mean there's a number of different possibilities but um there's an obligation to buy out certain time that they may have on the books and obviously you can't necessarily predict

when somebody's going to seek another job and and move on to another opportunity no I understand that I understand that um I was just about curious about what the impact was where none of these were budgeted for maybe it wasn't significant maybe it is significant so I was just more curious as to the impact on page four Treasurer's Office salaries actually there's going to be one two at least

three or four of them we have what's referred to as summer hours again in in the treasures Department there was nothing budgeted uh there's been Seventeen hundred dollars paid out in the collections office 5000 683 was budgeted 57 percent has already been paid out um in the computer room salaries 57 percent has already been paid out again in summer hours so I could I can speak to

that yeah so there um I'm not sure what year it ended but there's some employees that have been with the city for a long time and in that contract they will um received summer hours so if an employee moves from one Department to another those summer hours go with them it doesn't go away until they you know leave the city so that is what's what's happened is there has been some movements some city employees have

sought you know better opportunities in other departments so when it's moved from one Department to another it's considered an expense in that department correct okay but that's solely being phased out there's not a lot of employees that still have summer hours left in the city do we have any idea what percentage at this point do I do not have do not know I can get that information for you I

know Mr mcilini and I have talked about it um it's my guess is is it's probably less than 15 at this point but I can get the exact number

computer room expenses audio visual multimedia again 300 was budgeted we've spent four thousand three hundred and twenty one which is a fifteen hundred percent increase not going to dispute if it was needed or not needed that the question is uh was that something again we couldn't anticipate uh uh what what was you know what's the uh motivating factor behind that one so I think part of it is is

um there were just some some needed upgrades so a good example is um like our Treasurer collector for instance uh you know he's reviewing these enormous spreadsheets and was doing it on a on a little computer monitor um and so we you know we got him you know a broader screen that's actually designed for financial people to review that sort of thing um it's something that he probably would

have continued working on if no one said anything but I think it was realized that it just wasn't the tool that he needed to be you know optimal at that job so I think there was a few expenses there that probably could have been predicted very candidly um and one of the things that I think uh CFO Allman has been really remarkable at is looking at needs and identifying those needs and then putting a plan in

place to meet those needs not necessarily immediately but over time within our means as much as we can and then prioritizing the things that have to be addressed immediately okay and then my last question would be on page nine under Election Commission expenses office equipment and Furniture Zero budgeted thirty seven hundred dollars expended so I think they're um as as you know we have you know sort of

the additional burden of really almost like a second simultaneous election with the the MBTA and that sort of thing um but given that uh with early voting that the actual amount of time and energy that's going into an election lasts for you know two more weeks literally on site who's on the ground than it normally would so there's resources that were put towards that that I think could have been planned

better I didn't realize it when I came in because I at that point was was new enough to not realize it oh geez early voting is going to change this significantly um so that's something I've actually already addressed um with the elections uh department head and we're going to be much more thoughtful about how these things can change and even though some of it's unexpected that we've got to be ready

budget wise to respond to those changes yeah I understand that the early voting obviously increases the cost but you know office equipment and Furniture I think it's a rent and it's rentals also so be rentals of what I'd have to look at that yeah I have to look exactly at what it is but that's how it's been explained to me that it has something to do with accommodating some of the new changes but I can get

exactly the list for if you like no problem that would be appreciate yield thank you Council accountancy one Council kadim uh thank you Mr President uh just in terms of the overall budget for the first quarter I know there's usually not a whole lot to report on the first quarter is there anything you're anticipating going into second quarter that might be a concern that we should know about now

the other thing that I do have a concern is is what when the legislator came down and the change in the host fees after everybody's budget was done is very concerning so we've been watching that very closely and have you gotten any calls in terms of that because I've already had their their companies reach out yeah okay not to pay so we're talking about the Cannabis um and so the legislature significantly

changed the structure for cities and towns um and the you know there's the excise on that and that's one thing but the host fees we've been significantly limited and how we're able to charge for those and also there's a requirement of documentation that is just much more than I think anyone really expected it happened after budget time um with it going into effect during this budget uh cycle so

um that's a significant issue that we're looking to address we're dealing individually with um the different uh entities that are affected by or well that might benefit from it uh and uh trying to work on some solutions and what's the just the impact fees are close to a million dollars is that yeah where it's at yeah um can we just I guess shift gears to the capital projects I received a

couple of calls from some businesses on Bedford Street just inquiring about uh streetscapes and quite frankly you know my memory is not that that good but uh I really couldn't remember where we stood with the uh the Buffett Street streetscape project so just looking at this uh number one can we just get an update and it seems like we're a little bit in a stalemate here and then I if we are I

just got a question because it seems like the original project was slated to cost 2.4 million dollars that was back in 16. I can only imagine that that's now anywhere from you know four to five million dollars based on construction costs that we're seeing I know you have four traffic lights that are proposed I just went out to bid for a traffic light and that came in 383 000 to 425 000 for one um so

my concern well once you give the update my only concern is that it seems like we've already went out to my to the bond market at least short term uh for almost two 2.3 million dollars so it seems like we're just sitting on um some bonds out there and paying interest and we've only spent 104 000 so just if we can get an update on that yes and so I am we actually had a

meeting with our um Bond advisors and so we are looking at a lot of these I'm very concerned about some of this the way it's been done but I do and again like whether we're going to ban it's who the Market's kind of volatile right now why I mean why would we go up an issue I guess even short-term bans on on projects that from a cash flow standpoint I would I would assume that a

cash flow could have been done and if we would have planned for so and I know you're not this you're not here I agree with you and that's why I'm looking at things and yes I do things a little differently okay because it just I mean there were no there were no expenses coming coming out and now we're out in the market and just paying and now you can't say short term because you only

got three years on short term before you go long term so I'd be willing to to venture that we're in the long-term Oculus as we speak now so are we is the project still ongoing I know we're looking the notes say that we're going back to massdot for the for the tip uh complete streets road diet I'm not familiar with but and then Federal Transit funding where are we with that

is that are we close with that so I'm I don't know specifically exactly where we stand on that like I know that there each of those things is sort of in different places um and if you were willing to give me uh a week two weeks I can get a much more comprehensive uh I could even have uh maybe Mr Aggie are um might come down for the next meeting

if that would be helpful okay just to give you an update on that because I think he could he could speak in detail about those things okay appreciate it thank you thank you Debbie no further question but thank you very much for coming down thank you

entertain a motion to a joint Finance motion to change the video accounts forever second by Council proposal all in favor aye any against you guys have it thank you regular city council meeting will begin in five minutes

regular city councilman will come to order clerk will call the roll

yeah proposal here Washington yeah president Camaro here well everyone in the council chair please rise Ramona silent prayer

please remain Center for salute to the flag I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting and may transmit this meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that

such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unconceived by those present and not deemed acknowledged and permissible Madam Clarke the first item before you is the communication from the mayor and a proposal to file the section 108 loan application with the U.S Department of Housing and Urban Development for the replacement of fire apparatus motion refer to finance motion refer to finance

has been made by Council C1 Council team second with Council C2 Council Dion all in favor aye any opposed ocean calories next we have the mayor's request for a loan order in the amount of one million 25 539 dollars for the CPA Central fire station in Fall River fire Museum authorized to be published and refer to finance and refer to finance seconded by counteroposo hasn't made and seconded

all in favor aye any opposed motion counties item number three is a communication from the mayor and the memorandum of agreement between General Teamsters Local 251 and the City of Fall River motion to adopt motion to that has been made by Council Pereira seconded by Council Kilby

thank you Mr President just can I get a motion to weigh the rules just quickly made by Council Kadeem second by Council Prime all in favor aye any opposed could you what do you want I just got a question on the financial impact statement that was provided with the document so I I just see one and a half new age scale one and a half one who would you like to come down to the

chamber I'm sorry the administration

so I'm just trying to figure out what the first year cost is going to be is that the 20 22 23 and the 21-22 and then I'm just when we say new wage scale is that did you forego a percentage and just is that what it was so they get a percentage and a whole new adjustment like a wage adjustment yeah so FY 22 was a whole over one year

agreement uh on the one and a half percent FY 23 was that new wage scale the new wage scale is included in that packet so you can see but it is a zero percent coal with um we went through and made adjustments to each individual wage on that that's part of a three-year deal okay and then then the one and a half one correct okay I was and I apologize I was just thrown

off with the one and a half new age scale so it's it's the salary adjustments no increase there and then I guess the actual two second year would be one and a half and then the one correct okay Council thank you gentlemen thank you for the questions no no okay motion has been made and seconded all in favor aye any opposed you guys have it motion counts it's important yeah number four is the

mayor's communication in the city assessors communication as well regarding the establishment of the FY 23 tax factor in tax levery motions motion to adopt 1.5 tax factors are made by counts in C3 Council Cobia adopted seconded by counting seat six Casa Pereira do we need a roll coming quick well we can just no but I do have the two orders I could read if you'd like does that have the

CIP because I think it's the CIP that you actually vote on hmm yes I have two I have two separate orders one is the residential factor and the others are the commercials the first is excuse me ordered that in accordance with chapter 40 section 56 of the Massachusetts general laws the city council of the city of Florida is hereby adopt a residential factor of 83.3477 which shall be used by the board

of assessors to determine the percentages of the local tax levy to be borne by each class of real and personal property for fy23

second by Council Washington all in favor aye any opposed promotion carries and the second order um would be the the various classes of property which would be class one which is residential the amount being six eight point two zero four three open space class two is zero commercial class three is 15.7862 industrial class 4 is 9.0349 and personal property class 5 is 6.9746 motion to adopt motion to without me

will accountancy second Council Washington second by counting C6 cards per hour all in favor aye any opposed animal agenda no I was just gonna wait until after any opposed motion carried just um I guess three Mr President can we just ask the administration to just double check with the board of assessors on the uh small business exemption um usually it's ten thousand dollars on that for uh personal property

so I I think we usually include the vote so if we need to include the vote can we just make sure it's at the next meeting sure thank you Council thank you sir item number five are the requests from the um traffic commission to amend the traffic ordinances refer to ordinances second motion refer to committee announces has been made by Council pereiro seconded by councilman seat seven count proposal all in favor

aye any opposed motion carries the committee on ordinances and legislation at a meeting held on November 1st voted unanimously to recommend that the accompanying proposed ordinance accompanied by an emergency Preamble be passed through first reading second reading has to be enrolled in past to be ordained with counselors lullaby and Dion absent and not voting motion for emergency local

and Adoption of the emergency Preamble councilors kadim yes Dion yes Kilby yes the Liberty Pelletier yes Pereira yes proposal yes Washington yes president Camaro yes motion passes through all readings Pastor secondary by Council kadim secondary by Council C Day Council Washington all in favor aye aye any opposed motion carries committee on ordinances and legislation at a meeting held on November 1st voted

unanimously to recommend that the accompanying proposed ordinance be passed through first reading with counselor the Liberty absent and not voting this is the salary schedule for the director of Fall River Emergency Management agency motion to pass through first reading has ended motion to pass your first reading as men made by content c one counter kadim secondary six con Ferrero all in favor any opposed

motion carries the comedian ordinances in legislation at a meeting held on November 1st voted unanimously recommend that the accompanying proposed ordinance be passed through first reading as amended with counselors the liberty and Dion absent and not voting this is a miscellaneous traffic ordinance motion to pass through first reading second second mostly pass for first reading as amended counselor

yes motion parts were first reading as amended by made by Council seat six Council players seconded by constancy Day Council Washington all in favor aye any opposed the motion carries committee on ordinances and legislation at a meeting held on November 1st voted unanimously to recommend the accompanying proposed ordinance be approved with Council of Liberty absent and not voting this was a graffiti

ordinance if I might suggest as this is an ordinance the proper motion should be to pass the ordinance through first reading most should have passed your first reading motion to pass refresh rate has been made of a controposal seconded by Council Diane on the motion counted seat six counts per hour I just have a question on this um if someone puts graffiti on a house on someone's house it's vandalism that

owner has to get rid of the graffiti within 48 hours or now you did it to two weeks but if it's vandalism and they have to contact insurance companies depending on what insurance they have it may take longer than that and if we're going to charge uh you know or have an ordinance that is going to punish a homeowner or a business owner for being tagged with graffiti then the

city needs to step up and get rid of all the graffiti on city property um I have an issue with that because sometimes it's just obviously an owner or a business person either got to tag their own business and if they have insurance that covers something like that then it's going to be more than two weeks sometimes I just think we put in ordinances that are not realistic enough but we don't have the Manpower

um you know to take care of them so I'm I'm going to object on this because I think it needs more work I am thank you for you are you thank you thank you Council Council seat seven Council proposal yeah just this is my my colleague in seat six um this ordinance already existed as it was written we just made some modifications to it um to back up the order of the two

graffiti machines to the Bristol County Arbor money um so essentially in summarization of this 48 hours we felt was too short of a time so we extended it to two weeks Council Washington asked in the subcommittee about residential versus commercial property I think we all identify that the commercial properties are the are the issue we don't really see a lot of Residential Properties that

are getting tagged with graffiti um and also the deputy chief was here part of the subcommittee to talk about if it's a situation where somebody vandalized a property and it's a crime obviously then long story short that if somebody was caught doing it has to pay to get it removed it would be the cost of the person who did it versus the property owner because Council Washington asked about someone who you

know house gets tagged by graffiti and then they're enabled to pay the the fine to get it taken care of there's a little more of that but just to be clear the ordinance already exists in the books we're just kind of enhancing it because it really came down to the lack of when there's graffiti who's responsible to to log it who's responsible notify the property owner et cetera et cetera et

cetera so that's what we essentially tried to do through them I yield thank you thank you come to see when did you have your hand up I did I was just going to kind of echo what my colleague had just mentioned you know Council proposal did put the resolution together did work with the administration closely to make these adjustments and I just did want to clarify that this current is on the book so we were extending

um you know obviously the deadlines that were associated with it and part of the conversations that we had was obviously anybody who at least from a residential standpoint is going to be quick to try to get the graffiti off their property because they live there right and so if there's any conversation with the administration and as long as there's an open dialogue I think there's going to be

um obviously some room to be able to work with the residents again as Council proposal mentioned it's it's you know the vacant landlords that are just not monitoring their property um either residential or commercial a lot of the main commercial properties that are um you know we we've seen them the you know the graffiti is out there so I think there's a there's a lot of work that was that's been done and I

think this is a happy medium in terms of trying to figure out how we can make sure that there's consistency because there there are property owners who really don't care what their product looks like regardless and so they're going to leave graffiti up so we just can't you know think about our neighbor who is taking care of the property we gotta think about the worst case scenario and how it impacts the quality

of life and property value for other uh residents so I think the you know the two weeks was a compromise so you know hopefully my colleague doesn't object to this and supports this uh I'll be supporting it with that I yields thank you Council casual C6 Council program I just think if you're going to do an ordinance we have to do an ordinance of that we're going to be able to enforce

and sometimes ordinances are done and there's no way to enforce them that's what I have a concern with and if we're going to go out in the city because it says here that the graffiti will be removed at that person's expense who's going to be removing that graffiti is it going to be the city that goes and removes graffiti from somebody's house and what is the that expense going to be

I mean my colleagues you know talked about this at the meeting this is what they brought before the council I have no problem with it there was a motion on the on the floor I believe there was a second I'd ask for a roll call that's all with that I yield thank you thank you the country proposal uh to my colleague in seat six so two things it would be charged based on the amendment

here we charge according to the current collective bargaining agreement and the Department responsible is the Department of Community maintenance they'll be responsible to remedy the graffiti what's the charge based on the current collected goiring agreement hourly rate correct conferencesla I mean we can I can uh ask the administration to come down and clarify but I'm not sure if they can do

that other colleges have their hands up are you your counselor I will at this time thank you thank you councilor Council team once Council no I was just going to say the same thing again I think due diligence was done on this ordinance right so we have these conversation in ordinance committee you know we're going to reject we're just going to push it off for another two weeks it doesn't refer it back to

committee and if it gets referred back to committee quite frankly it's getting referred back out because we've had these conversations um so it's like anything else that the work that's done by the city is going to be leaned onto that property so when it sold we're going to collect money right it's a tax thing we're in the first position those are the conversations that were had right from the get-go how

are we going to recoup if we're sending DPW out to work on graffiti we need to make sure that we're capturing the man I was associated with the equipment and we're placing we're either sending an invoice to the property owner and if that doesn't get paid similar to any any other invoice they're not going to be able to pull permits and we get it leans this is uh two weeks right so I think it's pretty straightforward

so I mean to suggest that you know it doesn't have teeth I don't know how much more teeth we can have to suggest that you know folks haven't done their due diligence to make sure that they've worked on us that listen it's there you know Council reposo took the initiative to say this doesn't make sense let's make the tweaks and he worked with the the administration I I don't I don't see any flaws with it

yeah I just have uh one comment to make I believe that when we voted to for the Opera funding to purchase these um graffiti machines the subject of Manpower and being able to utilize the machines came up then so if we don't have the Manpower why do we buy the machines so I don't think that is an issue at this point that was discussed everybody voted to get the machines now we need to utilize

them with that I yield thank you any more question so it's two weeks to get it done because this has been going on for a long long time I think who reports when graffiti was actually on there and who has a Time limited accountancy Texas point is like who's going to monitor that it's been two weeks since that graffiti has been on your house is it a complaint from a neighbor a complaint city is going to

monitor it and on top of that the thing that I agree with and I'm not saying to commit into a job I think it's a very difficult situation that we have here but if the city is going to find someone after two weeks of not getting it done and yet there's graffiti that's been on city property state property and sometimes we don't know who the property belongs to because it's on that long 79

we don't know who owns part of that property down there where who's going to clean that up and and then if they're going to be building people because they don't clean up their time what about we better make sure we clean up all of the graffiti that happens on state and city property in a two weeks time or else it's going to be pretty tough to say hey look we're not going to take care of our

property but we're going to make sure that we're going to find if you don't take care of yours it's a difficult situation I think that's more what her point is than anything else yeah and I understand my colleagues in seat six point but at the end of the day we can keep spinning our wheels and we're just going to stare at it more and more every day I drive up down Pleasant

Street every day 365 days a year and I see that graffiti that's been there four years ago still there so we can continue to spin our wheels and just if fans and Watts or we can actually be proactive and get it done and that's what we're trying to propose through this again and thank you to council Kadeem but it is pretty straightforward as far as how it's going to be enforced where it's

going to go and what's going to happen if it does not get taken care of are there the ifs and the butts with State Property what have you yes but the general consensus here like and again I use Pleasant Street as my influence to go toward this that graffiti has been sitting there for years nothing's been done about it a lot of those properties God only knows who owns them and they

haven't been around for a long time and it doesn't change the mill on Alden Street for example that I drive through every day next door to the school that I work at has had graffiti on that building I've been there nine years it's had graffiti for nine years and nothing's been done about it and that's why we went back to the ordinance to say well there's really no meat to it

right to go after it so again I would ask my colleagues to support this so we can get things cleaned up I yield thank you cousin come to tea eight counts Washington so I initially had brought up a concern at that meeting um so I understand what my conference seat six is saying um but I'm going to support this Andrew um but I do I do there are there will be outliers that their Residential

Properties are tagged and you don't want them to be fine but I do recall maybe someone else can remember that the administration um said that you know they would take that into consideration they would work with people um if that happened I do but it is a concern I it it's going to happen you know some elderly person owns a property they don't get outside it buildings are tagged you can see them in some

residential areas um so it's a concern but I do remember the administration say that they would take that into consideration thank you Mr President thank you come to see what did you have something you want to add to that are you okay um um no it's just one other thing I mean this this is no different than vacant properties right so we try to address vacant properties we want to move forward on vacant

properties it's the exact same process there's a notification that's made into the mayor's office gets referred to minimum housing the inspectors go out that's when everything starts that's that's that's the process of the two-week notice listen at the end of the day if it gets objective that's fine the administration can go out right now and and enforce the ordinance that's on the

books and the property owners have 48 two days 48 hours that's I'm okay with it so if we know the ordinance is currently in place so regardless we can move forward with it and it's whether it's two weeks or 40 48 hours so you know at the end of the day again we can't when we're putting together ordinances we can't think about okay how does this impact our neighbor the ordinances are meant to impact those

people who are not taking care of their property or you know obviously not following or creating quality of life issues that's what we need to address and this is not really going to impact the average person because I think the average person will once notified by the the city will have a conversation with either minimum housing the inspection you know the inspectors or the mayor's

office to ask for some leeway if you know two weeks isn't enough time you know we have the deputy police chief down who also mentioned that in terms of cost if we're worried about the cost associated with it if they've got a person who is responsible for and it goes through the court system there is a monetary value that is assigned to the repair of it so even if the city goes

out at least there's going to be some money coming back if it goes to the court system and hopefully you know we're able to catch more and more of these individuals that are tagging houses or commercial properties so I think at the end of the day again it's about trying to clean up the city and that's what we're trying to trying to do and I think the ordinance committee did a good job of this I'll

support that with that I yield thank you guys emotions has been made and seconded to adopt Brokaw roll call to be too past the ordinance through first reading council is kadim yes Dion yes Kilby yes by Liberty Pelletier yes Pereira no proposal yes Washington yes and president Camaro yes promotion carries the carry on real estate at a meeting held on October 25th voted unanimously to recommend that the accompanying

communication be granted leave to withdraw this was the resident's request for no parking on Bigelow Street second welcome to adopt the community report has been made by councilman C3 Council Kilby second by constitute six counts Pereira all in favor aye any opposed motion carries the Committee on Public Works and transportation at a meeting held on November 1st voted unanimously to

recommend that the accompanying order be adopted this is a curb request curb removal request from myara De Silva Pena at 102 Laurel Street for the removal of 30 feet motion to adopt second truth proposal all in favor aye any opposed motion codes the Committee on Public Works and transportation at a meeting held on November 1st voted unanimously to recommend that the accompanying

resolution be granted leave to withdraw this is a resolution to discuss ways to keep residents informed of daily street closures Council prayer all in favor aye any opposed ocean counties whereas there has been an increase of driver speeding within the area of Northeastern Avenue and Bedford Street and whereas if left unaddressed can lead to injury death property damage and other life-changing circumstances now

therefore be resolved that the Committee on Public Safety convene with City administrator chief of police and director of traffic to discuss ways to improve resident safety on this important issue motion refer the Committee on Public Safety second most refrigerator public schools have been made by Council seat seven Council Polo second by Council cheat says God's prayer all in favor any opposed motion carries

whereas the Department of Emergency Medical Services is working on changing the location of many of their rescues and other emergency vehicles and whereas residents have expressed concern regarding having fewer or different rescues and emergency vehicles and fire stations closest to their homes now therefore be resolved that the Committee on Public Safety convened with the chief of Emergency

Medical Services to discuss the planned adjustments and reassure residents that EMS will continue to provide equal access to health care for all neighborhoods motion to refer to Committee on Public Safety second motion for the community of public safety has been by Council seat seven count proposal second by Council seat six Council Pereira all in favor all right any opposed motion carries

whereas city parks provide an increased quality of life and enjoyment of the city for residents and visitors and whereas many city parks are currently in disrepair of being underutilized by local sports teams and residents and whereas new additions to city parks such as skate parks and Renovations of existing playgrounds and baseball fields will improve the city overall now therefore be it resolved that the city

administrator convened with the city council committee on finance to discuss the planned budgetary recommendations to improve the Parks and Recreation division Finance most referred committee on finance as I made my accountancy a council Washington seconded by Council seat six Council perrato on the motion constitute seven Council proposal yeah the only thing the only comment I have is that I know we're going to be

we're going to be looking at that Parks plan in the other subcommittee as well so I'm I would hope that we're going to have that information before we start discussing budgetary for said plan should we refer this to the same committee and I have a joint meaning of the title may not be a bad idea Council Washington I'll yield to you I put in the resolution because of the

last meeting so I I you know wanted an update for the Council on everything that they're doing I think that um that's important so we want to refer to that that committee I think it'd be more effective to referred to the committee they can give you a broad range of things before we put into finance and make a financial obligation to something that they're working on all together because it's kind of similar and close

to the other one so yeah I think that's a great idea do you enjoy emotion then I withdraw my motion okay do you heal counselor I yell I think the sooner this meeting happens between these two committees the better because we have vacant Fields yet the Titans a semi-football pro team from Fall River they have to play outside of the city because they can't rent space here you could have a Saka and a

football field combination there are places for that there are places for a good softball fields so when you can get traveling teams to come and they pay and that makes money for the park Department um people want to play volleyball the park department has taken volleyball nets down from places if people want to play volleyball get a park where they can go and play volleyball there so I

think you know finding out what activities that the residents could have in our Parks is is something we should be working on the pox should really be looking at creating um outdoor activities for the citizens so um I don't know when they'd have this meeting but I kind of thought Finance was good because we'd all be there but if it's only if it's going to be six members or maybe five members I don't know what

committees are going to be hearing this what two committees this is going to well we want to put in one Community Council proposals committee it's uh so what committee what committee Services um youth Elder fifth that's because the last meeting we had um we motioned to refer that conversation to the party that I'd share so sorry I entertain a motion and refer to the yeah yeah motions I made

to refer to the committee on the Health and Human Services Human Services housing Youth and Elder affairs motion has been made by constancy seven counts proposals taken by concert seat six Council Pereira any discussion on that motion Council Washington just want to make sure that that was we want to get that update in a few weeks I know people have been talking what are the parks doing

there was a lot of conversation back and forth in the last meeting so I just want to make sure that that's like on the agenda like you've got to have that I'll work on it next day or two all right thank you I yield council president thank you motion has remained and seconded all in favor aye any opposed motion carries whereas the winter months are approaching and whereas the city council

should be concerned about homelessness in the city now therefore be resolved that the administration provide an update on the estimated number of homeless individuals in the city and be it further resolved that the administration provide the amount of funding received from the U.S Department of Housing and Urban Development to address this matter and what steps are being taken to address this issue

a motion to adopt the resolution second I'm asking if there was a motion yeah motion second accountancy one question oh I'm sorry I thought he made a motion that's okay accountancy second accountancy six counts of prayer I'm the motion content c three responsive resolution Council Kobe yes just real quickly um of course what triggered this was the the recent news and I have some conversations with Mr

Dion from Community Development and uh not to be an alarmist but he did say you know obviously the mayor's on top of it it looks like uh according to the Articles that I read but homeless is um has increased um and it might I don't know Judo covid or whatever but um I thought it was an important thing to put in so we could get a presentation here I neglected to have a committee what

committee should go to and the reason it maybe should go to Health and Human Services but there is a financial element to this in terms of the HUD money and I so maybe I'm thinking about finding this Mr President to get some type of presentation from the illustration in terms of what and I know it's like a dropout rate right unemployment rate it's probably fluctuates uh it's a tough number to get a hold of

but I was told by Mr Dion that it it has increased so I think it's something important that we sit down and we vent and you know um at least get you know update uh in terms of what resources are being utilized to to deal with this issue so I yield um if someone wants to amends it or I can for it to go to finance I'll make that motion or whatever committee we think is

appropriate so I yield thank you Council any further discussion any opinion on what committee like to put this into councils make a motion to refer to finance uh the resolution you can do it too oh you want to do Finance is fine but you can do it to Human Service housing you're the one Youth and if it comes out to money then it could go maybe that sounds more specific motion to refer to Human Services

housing Youth and Elder Affairs housing elderly Affairs are made by Council proposal Kobe all in favor aye any opposed people who carries could we take item 17 to 23.

oh no wait which one did you want motion to separate twenty one twenty one twenty one yeah separate from what 17 18 19 20 22 and 23 together second motion to take item 17 18 19 20 22 and 23 has been made as a second second breakouts Pro second by Council Kilby all in favor aye on the motion any opposed okay so be it now is there a motion to

adopt the 21 wasn't included now no 21 okay we took them we made a motion to take him separate yeah now I need a motion to adopt items 17 18 19 20 22 and 23. it's actually two adopt has been made by Council Peloton C5 seconded by counting C8 Council Washington all in favor aye any opposed motion counties now it's in motion to motion to refer to anyone to uh regulations the public

transportation second do we need 10 o'clock do you need to read these care removals before Public Works your organizations item 21 is um 34 Manton Street okay if I may excuse me do you need to read the ones that we just voted on 17 18 19 20.

excuse me if you'd like I think you can just be safer if we did sure the the curb removals that you have just voted on James Curran 656 Harvard Street for the removal of 14 feet on Eldridge Muhammad yudin 693 New Boston Road the for the removal of 16 feet of curbing on Acacia Street Brenda Da Silva 41 Hayfield Street the removal of eight feet of curbing on Hayfield Street tiberio Jacinto 245

Fieldstone Lane removal of eight feet on Fieldstone Lane David Pike 91 Globe Street the removal of 16 feet on Globe Street and Catahoula Development LLC for the removal of 74 feet an addition of 16 feet on Danforth Street thank you thank you not before you we have David ozug at 34 Manton Street Excuse me yes Michael ozug 34 Manton Street removal of five Public Works and transportation second motion for the

community of public works and transportation Hazard made by Council Kilby seconded by Council Dion all in favor aye any opposed motion countries thank you oh you're welcome item 24 is the request for the re um for the transfer of an auto repair shop license located at 401 Bedford Street from yokosta Nadal in Darwin Valerio Hernandez to Jason Ventura something to adopt second motion to

adapt is made by counter security second by Council forever all in favor aye any opposed motion carries I have the police Chiefs report Yeah seconded by who second second by Council Dion all in favor aye any opposed motion carries our claims motion refer to Corporation Council exactly the Corporation Council hasn't made by counter proposal secreted by Council Washington all in favor aye any opposed motion carries

I am 27 our minutes of the zoning Board of Appeals promotion to accept and play top file entertain the motion to acceptance motion to accept place on file second motion accepted plates so far has been nearby constitute six Council per hour second by constitute seven Council proposal all in favor all right any opposed motion carries item 28 is a notice of activity in use limitation at 288

Plymouth Ave filed by riverhawk Environmental motion to accept and place on file what was the acceptance place so far has it made by Cox Pereira second second second by contraposo all in favor aye

yeah except for the speaker motion carriers here's the mayor's request for the confirmation of Charles denmead as the Director of community maintenance motion to confirm appointment motion to confirm has been made by Council Perot second by councilor Kilby don't call

on confirmation of the appointment counselors Kadeem yes yes Dion yes Kilby yes well Liberty Pelletier yes Pereira yes reposo yes Washington yes and president Kamara yes congratulations congratulations

thank you

Madam Clerk and the last item we have is a drain layer application on behalf of geologic Earth exploration a motion to motion to approve seconds C3 County all in favor aye any opposed motion carries I guess that's all we have motion to adjourn yeah proposal seconded by Council Washington the motion Council seat six Council just before we adjourn remind everybody Friday November 11th is Veterans Day

parade is at one and then we will gather downstairs in the atrium and there was a woman um Heather vavares who makes plaques for fallen soldiers so there will be some plaques given to some of our ghost op families so everyone is invited to the parade and to the ceremony afterwards that's it second all in favor aye aye any opposed motion carries good night everybody good job