12.19.2023 Historical Commission

okay good evening everyone uh thank you for joining us for tonight's meeting of the Fall River historical commission um this meeting is being held on a hybrid hybrid platform uh both in person and Via Zoom um it is uh Tuesday December 19th 2023 it is now 6:01 p.m. uh pursuant to the over meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium

attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible um and as I mentioned the meeting is being recorded uh both uh through uh both on zoom and as well as uh through Fall River government TV which will be available on their YouTube page afterwards um may I get a roll call

please Jonathan Lima present Ashley dunia present Elizabeth dblock present Rick manen present Joyce Roger present and Jason bushard nqi present um we are missing Connie Soul uh we who is absent tonight we do not have any open seats um all right so uh item number one on the agenda is to review and approve the minutes from November 30th 2023 uh Liz sent those around earlier uh did everyone get a chance to

review those it is okay thank you I'll make a motion we accept all right motion by Rick second that Ashley and a second by Ashley uh to approve the minutes from November 30th uh may I get a roll call vote please John yes Ashley yes Elizabeth yes uh Rick yes Joyce yes and Jason bushard nakaki yes thank you um do we have any citizens inputs for this evening okay thank you um we do not have

any notices of intent to demolish um nothing that came through um under correspondences item number two um this is in regards to the open meeting law complaint that was filed by Alan Mamer uh regarding the alleged violation of the historical Commission on November 30th 2023 and let me grab that which I did send in the packet of info that was shared um let me just review this um the description of the alleged

violation uh the agenda for a special meeting of the Fall River historical commit on 11 uh November 30th 2023 was not posted at fall river.org as required the agenda for the 11 uh November 6th 2023 agenda was posted on fall river.org and it noted the next meeting would be on no uh December 19th 2023 I was made aware of the meeting by an article in the Fall River reporter.com on December

2nd 2023 the subject matter of the meeting was important to me and I would have offered comments during citizens input the issue of not work uh the issue of not posting agendas on Fall river.org was raised during a city council meeting on November 28th 2023 where during citizen citizens input the council was made aware the citizen characterized the meeting as illegal quote unquote illegal

my bookmarks to fall r.org where agendas are typically posted simply forward to the home page of fall Rover ma.gov watching a video of the meeting it was noted the special meeting was requested by a counselor who has been a minority Advocate to Halt the sale of of the bank Street Armory in addition it was stated a written recommendation from the commission was required before the last

city council meeting prior to two new councilors joining the city council calling a special meeting for an issue that has been before this the council since July at a time when agendas are not being properly posted could be interrupted uh to be an INT intentional violation of the open meeting law um regarding the action to be taken by the historical Commission um to add the items discussed and uh

voted upon at the illegal sorry um what action do you want the public body to take in response to this complaint um add the items discussed and voted upon at the illegal special meeting to the regularly scheduled December 19th 2023 meeting and that is from Mr Mamer um so our requirement um to review this publicly within 14 uh business days um which we have um and I did speak with

Mr Mamer uh regarding the complaints um I submitted the um agenda on November 28th it was stamped by the city clerk's office on November 28th 2023 at 206 p.m.

um during the November 28th city council meeting it was indicated that the state's division of open government website was not updated of the new City's website which is fall Riv ma.gov uh the uh former website is fall river.org um I did inquire with Allison buard the city clerk on November 29th um because it was brought up to me regarding the um the conflict with the websites um she did indicate um through

email that the notices were crossposted between fall river.org and Fall River ma.gov up until um the state being notified on November 29th um and as of November 29th the state was updated all web traffic was uh automatically directed to the new City's website um so that is where we came that's where uh just a little background on that um regarding the suggested resolution of the complaints

um Mr Mamer is here uh this this evening thank you um so he has uh requested that we revisit the topic of the bank Street Armory um in the opinion uh that was sought from uh councelor Pereira um of regarding the sale of the banks are armoring the plans um so on that note um uh I am looking for any comments on that um I what I believe should happen is we

need to resend our um our initial opinion from November 30th uh in order to appease the complaint and revisit that topic which is on the agenda as item number four uh well the plans for the Armory are item number four um it is listed on the agenda as item number eight under old business regarding the opinion for the from um city council um do I have any uh questions or concerns on should that be

sent to our corporate Council to to to get a verification as to whether the meeting was legal or not get a get a qualification on that um I did inquire with uh Allison and she said because it was crossposted that it should be everything was fine I did file on the 28th um I believe that the complaint that was sent over from um so city council did receive a complaint of a

similar nature that has been rescinded because the websites were crossposted um um so that complaint was rescinded so essentially the agenda was posted correct so why do we have to revisit it exactly if it was posted then it's not an illegal meeting sorry I missed it right um I I think just for this and a vote was taken and a vote was taken and you know it was satisfied mhm and we we met the

criteria so in in essence we we're getting the feedback that there were no uh inappropriate postings everything was in compliance right so that the meeting should stand I would think okay and I don't believe we should have to revisit okay the meeting okay my opinion I agree with that opinion and the meetings are recorded the meetings are recorded um they want to get a better detail on what

was discussed I think it could be rewatched watched back okay I would agree with that I I mean furthermore I would also say that by revisiting the issue here today A second opportunity for citizen input was afforded and passed up right so nothing I mean there's no there's no additional information brought to us that would essentially change what we discussed unless somebody's had a change of heart

um so there's no new information provided to us therefore the circumstances are the same conversations are the same okay I just think if it was it's not technically an illegal meeting um then it is what it is okay and I don't I don't believe we even need a motion to maintain that because the meeting was a legitimate meeting so it should stand as is I would think okay unless we get a legal opinion contrary to that

um so we can vote to extend if we need more time um on the open meeting law if we do need if the public body requires more time to review the complaint and respond it may request an extension of time for good cause by contacting the division of open government um so I can we can do that if need be um and which I can reach out and we can do this through a special meeting

uh to revisit because we do need to uh review or at least an extension of time it doesn't indicate I don't believe um regarding an extension how long that takes but I mean it should be a fairly quick turnaround if that's the case um so we did meet the first criteria of reviewing the complaint within 14 days um so if we do decide to if we need ex uh more information

from uh uh uh guidance from division of open government and also Corporation counsel we can request an extension does that make sense what are we extending uh the to review the open meeting law complaint and just make sure that our meeting was legal I did receive I mean from Alison she said that the meeting was cross posted um so I know I saw it on the website prior to um I

wanted to confirm the agenda and stuff but and and the complaint that went in for the city council was also nullified because it was posted just as hour was posted so this should this complaint should be nullified if it goes to corporate also okay I would think again right all right um does this all right so do we do we need to take a vote on I do not believe we need to take a vote because

there's nothing to vote on okay all right okay so um with that said um because that will bundle or um we have a a few things on the agenda regarding that so if if you wanted excuse me Mr chairman yes uh if you wanted to take a vote that we just continue as proposed that we assume that the complaint was satisfied and we'd like to keep our meeting okay uh

resolved to leave it the way it was I mean we could take a vote just to be on the safe side to make sure all your bases are covered but it's just an extra right um I think we do need a vote to extend for do we need more information no so you're not you're saying that we don't need additional information I don't think so okay no no I I don't believe we do I think we're

fine we covered the law uh we didn't violate or have any violations um and and uh if that's the case then there's no reason to have to revisit our meeting and as actually stated it is televised and it is recorded So this if you wanted to again so there should be no reason to vote on this uh but if you wanted to as a safety net and that that's fine I

don't think that's an issue okay um are we required to give a formal response back to the division of the government yes uh once the party body has um so I do have to reply yes um so we do have to submit a response to the um regarding to the compl complainant um and then from there on the complaintant um there's um if they're not SA with the public body's response to the complaint uh you

may file a copy of the complaint by with the division by mail email or by hand uh but only once you have waited for 30 days after filing the complaint with the public body um and then when you file your complaint with the division um please include the Complaint Form and all documentation relevant to the alleged violation so it is listed out on the open meeting law Complaint Form um

the division will not review complaints filed with us more than 90 days after the viol vition unless we granted an extension to the public body or you can demonstrate good cause for the delay make sure that's I think that is so we just have to reply back to the complained correct that's it okay yes my question on that is it gives you 14 BS okay 14 business days okay to review the

complaint okay yes and to respond to the attorney general mhm okay yes so we have a couple of more days to send that response so I don't think I think we would be fine to do that without an extension okay all right because it was filed on the 5th so that would bring us to the to Christmas day so the 26th we have a week from today would be 14

business days okay uh this so this was received on um did I put it that there sorry on the agenda it was received on I do not have the date that I received it um I believe I know it's dated it's signed December 5th so I imagine we have to go by that date yes yes all right so you said the 26th yes all right um which yeah okay that's okay that's

fine all right so I will um May I task somebody on I will draft it up but may I to ask somebody to review it please yeah I can review it okay thank you Liz all right thank you um and then we'll go from there and I'll send it off okay excellent um so with that said um are we able to move on to item number three do we think okay um so I did receive an

email um on December 12th 2023 from uh Mr Steven Kowski 1532 Bedford Street this is regarding the demolition at 1620 Bedford Street um this email was sent to myself uh an O'Neal Souza um I'm not sure who this is um from with the city uh I carvalo um and city clerk and as well as John Brandt with the community preservation commit uh Community preservation committee um good day I'm

trying to get communication of why the abutters here on ston Heaven Road and Bedford Street were not notified uh the dates of this work this is regarding the demolition of 1620 Bedford they are now using heavy elements to Jackhammer the Boulder and granite into the ground this is extremely troubling since we have older water pipes and stone concrete foundations on my property my water

supply is coming in extremely discolored and Rusty from water service on ston Haven Road side of the property it's appalling that the city of Fall River Building Department and City officials have not supported the property owners here I would like to receive a formal report on work being done as well as receiving a copy of the permits issued for this demolition of the water department building thank you Mr Steven

Kowski 1532 Bedford Street Fall River Massachusetts um this is in regards to the water ad uh water department administration building that we reviewed um the building was on the national register as part of the Water Department District um they were seeking a waiver of the six months of the water department and which we approved the waiver of that demolition delay um I did check with our ordinance we are not when

we have demolition permits that come up before us we are not required to send notice to a Butters from our commission for demolition work uh for that particular nature but um I believe the building department I did I wasn't sure what the building department required of that um only if I believe if a certain amount of excavation is removed from the property do a Butters need to be know

notified I don't know the details of that uh of that nature of the of the construction at the water department um so I did forward the information over to um the building department to Glenn hathway uh and Eugene bores and I did uh also receive a a response from the mayor's office that they did contact Mr Kowski um but on our end we were merely reviewing the demolition delay request

uh waiver request um um so I believe this has been rectified um so regarding item oh there any questions on that on item three no okay um under new business item four um this is regarding the proposed sale of the bank Street Armory uh correspondence from Main Street projects regarding the sale and presentation of of the proposed plans um we did receive a letter from uh Main Street projects on December 5th um

dear commiss uh dear Commissioners yeah B water dear Commissioners the condition of the bank Street Armory is deteriorating rapidly due to neglect and deferred maintenance without an immediate investment it is unlikely I'm sorry it is likely the building will be condemned and destroyed the most important issue in my opinion is to preserve the building regardless of how it is redeveloped the property has been

on the preservation society's list of most endangered structures for many years please use the power of your commission to ensure the Armory remains viable for redevelopment on November 1st 2023 I sent a letter to the city council which answered questions raised at previous meetings the letter attached herein discussed an appraisal completed for the Redevelopment Authority in July of 2021 and also a sports and Event

Center feasibility study completed for another city of the approximate size and demographic as Fall River at the special meeting there was concern if the Main Street projects proposal would be approved by the Massachusetts historical commission also known as MHC given the preservation restriction in place this is a valid concern if the commission submits a letter to the council I'd suggest it State any award

of the Armory should require the purchaser obtain approval of the Redevelopment plans and specs from the MHC prior to closing and transfer of ownership this would prevent ownership transfer for a non-viable project project in preparing our proposal we use used the Lin Armory Redevelopment as a case study the MHC approved a similar subdivision of the Lin Armory drill Hall by the National Park Service NPC denied

the subdivision the developer successfully appealed the NPC decision a copy is attached here in we are using the historical preservation consultant who represented the Lin Armory and the same dral Hall subdivision concept ensuring the bank Street Armory is preserved for future Generations should be the commission's most important goal I would understand and support a different Redevelopment concept if it

would be in the best interest of the city however please don't recommend rejecting a viable Pro uh proposal which would preserve the Armory for a potential future concept that may not be a viable concept I encourage the commission to hold the administration and the city council accountable for defining a viable alternative Redevelopment concept if the alternative is a community sport event Andor Arts

Center how would a $500,000 annual operating deficit be funded please recommend a consultant be uh please recommend a consultant be retained to determine if there is sufficient demand that will generate Revenue to absorb an operate operating deficit if the outcome is positive let's step back and figure how to fund the $1 19 million to $20 million project I'd also encourage the commission to recommend emergency CPC or

other funding be obtained to address critical deficiencies at the Armory to ensure the building is not condemned approximately $400,000 is required to replace the failed gutters R line flashing and downspouts replace the uppermost headhouse roof and repair uh roof drains repair broken windows in the head house replace rotting plywood in the drill Hall this is a necessary investment regardless of how the

property is redeveloped finally I encourage the commission to recommend the Main Street Project's proposal remained t for 90 days while a consultant is hired and emergency funding is obtained after 90 days if the commission's recommendations are not followed please ask that the Main Street Project's proposal be lifted from the table and voted to award sincerely Alan F mimer principal and managing

member um and we do have uh Mr Mamer is present um would you mind um presenting regarding item four um

pass sure thank you um and I'm sorry yeah it's a little um if you wouldn't mind um just uh stating your name um and how in what format you're presenting uh in person or and um your affiliation please um uh my name is Alan mber um president of M Street projects uh I prepared the uh proposal for the bank Street Armory I think you've had a copy of the proposal and you've considered it

and um made some decisions to to submit a letter to the city council uh tonight I'd like to uh share some refinements that I made to that proposal based on uh input from massachusett historical commission and also from the uh our preservation consultant in addition I'd like to uh provide some general comments on the disposition of the property as well as a followup to my letter so the

uh I'm trying to is there an extra copy so I can pass out to the people in the audience yeah there's extra

cop and and my easel is right here a white thank you so um and I'm sorry and your name is Kim M M Kim Mamer thank you the um Graphics are my own believe it or not I tried to do a courtroom sketch and this is what I came up with uh so basically the existing proposal had a double loaded quarter in the jural hall uh with uh sort of like a plum

front in first and second floor the uh feedback from massachus historic commission was they'd like to see the second floor set back 6 to 8 ft so you get a dramatic view of the uh steel trusses in rof they want that to be uh something that's considered uh important to accommodate that what we did is um we modified the floor plan for the townhouse style units basically we had it open to below from the second

floor kind of like that dramatic look and having to get inside your apartment and stuff like that for unfortunately unfortunately we can't do it but we did come up with some other uh nice features for the residents future residents so basically um we bring the um second floor so it's enclosed and you walk up but then what we do is on the 6 to 8 ft out here we're able to create like a

Terrace or balcony for the resident so their bedroom they'll be able to walk out that type of thing so that was the primary thing that want wanted to be addressed by the um historical commission the second thing was is we had proposed uh solar tubes to bring daylight in which uh had a roughly 9 in relief on the roof in a dome structure they uh were not particularly fond to that they asked us to do what

the Lin Armory did and that was to go with a lowprofile uh Skylight and it'll supposedly blend in well with the um the Slate rout so that we're agreeable to that the the primary purpose was just to bring daylight in we were trying to do it as as with as little impact as possible how many of those skylights would be on one side of the building there are how many there 17

there's one per apartment there's 17 so nine and eight okay I think it's nine on the dery side and Eight on the parking lot side um in reality what I originally wanted to do was put a dormer right across oh no but that wasn't going to happen um is it just out of uh out of curiosity and actually sorry um you can finish the presentation and then uh any questions

we have can before we move on to the comment maybe just finish up on on particular item okay perfect oh um the uh regarding the uh sky or the layout you said eight and nine is there a way to flip it so it's eight on the dery street side and nine on the parking lot side uh that would be difficult okay we can try but let me explain the reason

being so the front of the building which has the ramp which is non ADA Compliant would require significant uh changes and we felt that that would be next when possible to have approved by the National Park Service in MHC so we took an alternate approach and we made the main entrance to the building on the parking lot side right and so now we have like a 14ot corter cut in which is

equivalent to one unit where you walk in you really don't have that kind of setup to be able to do that from dery Street elevation wise and uh it would be a new penetration into the building and that's right there's a I forgot there's the entrance on the parking lot side there's a large entrance already there on the parking lot side because if you look at the uh 2 15 um uh uh stud study that was

done I'm sorry uh they really tore up the front of the building to put an 88 accessible ramp in there and um we just thought it was nicer to put the main entrance to the building in the parking lot okay and keep the Integrity of the head house as it is okay so would that still be accessible or would you just sort of lock up the facade there oh the

front of the hall the it would still be a usable be us it would be um just not a for emergency egress purposes only got you okay we wouldn't change it um we would leave it in place MH we couldn't make it an entryway just for the fact it's not ADA Compliant but we're allowed to use it uh for emergency erress okay okay um sorry no problem thank you can I move on to yes thank you

uh on uh March 17 I submitted a uh proposal to redevelop the bank Street Armory is that coming out on that now uh March 17 it's December 19th um 10 months I've been sitting here wondering what's going to happen uh similar to this evening I dealt with parliamentary uh Maneuvers um in this particular case I asked the vote to be reconsidered and it was um opposed so basically um I've had

a majority of the council members so was a vote in process where Leo peler and all the other councils were there Leo has had some health issues and he came in specifically for this vote um the vote was going to end up being 6 to3 in favor of awarding the Armory to the proposal that was presented um that vote was objected by a single counselor and as when someone objects

the vote is halted and no further debate and it moves to the table uh I've left the item I've watched the item be left off agendas um having motions made for subject to withdraw a motion to withdraw multiple motions to table um you know a three counselor minority they have used legitimate par parliamentary moves to overrule a super majority of the council I accept that as a business owner it's frustrating as

heck I'm hope I'm sure you're going to appreciate that I don't just sit around and spend $50,000 to put a proposal into the the city to deal with this BS you know it's really no now the historical commission you've been asked to weigh in well guess what I'm the one that put the proposal in do you think you'd reach out to me to ask for some input when you're going to put together a letter for the

city council um you know it's just it's just I enjoy the politics I think we all do commissioners please use your Authority tonight to ensure a realistic chance is afforded to save this historic treasure from the wrecking ball your input to the council will determine the fate of the Armory I implore you to avoid enabling the city council major minority to delay further and at worst become their scapegoat when we

lose the building imagine that the historical Commission ball River historical commission condemn the building to the wrecking ball that's what will happen when three City Council vote this down and six others would have voted for it someone's going to own it it's not going to be the city council it'll be it'll come back to this commission right here the city and I'm paraphrasing from something that happened on

wsar this weekend uh where Linda Pere and Brad Kilby had a back and forth about the future of the Armory these are the near-term F Financial challenges that the city has to come over the new diamond will cost the city $6.5 million a year starting in two years the city is responsible for $3.5 million a year in unfunded pension obligations that's going to be a burden on this community for 15 years 15

years I think we all agree and support a new gpw facility that's $15 million bond that that's another million a year the collective bargaining agreement with the firefighters just took a one-time source of $2.5 million that's an ongoing expense the city has an additional $1 13.5 million of obligations going forward do you have the confidence in the city to bond the another million

dollar a year that they're going to have to pay and fund a $500,000 operating budget to redo the bank Street Armory I don't a super majority of the council does not the administration doesn't some members of the opposed Council majority don't what do you guys believe you know take that into consideration the old police station has been brought up as an example example of what could happen to the armory in my

opinion that's not an appropriate analogy a better example that hits very close to home to me and apologize for being emotional it's my baby you know um is the dery tech Redevelopment I did it it worked out but I'd like to reflect for a moment I brought a sign here to show you what could have happened that building was this close to the rec

ball it's amazing how far back the dery tech project goes and so I didn't realize that until I started 20 years maybe yeah and I didn't realize it until I went back and started researching The Herald news right it's like wow than come up it's like it jogs your memory it's like wow 2009 the city went out in 2008 for an RFP they received two bids one from peab budy construction for lowincome housing and one for

Burbank Burbank peab buddy was going to do a $12 million Redevelopment Burbank came in with a $3.5 million proposal it was deemed like impossible to redevelop,000 Square ft in 2009 with $3.5 million so I believe the proposal was rejected outright and P buddies was accepted as the only one that was Bob career that was responsible for that may Flanigan gets elected people are up in arms we don't

want low-income housing in our downtown we want market rate housing and D first thing he does one of the first things does as meal candidate or may mayor when he's elected is he kills a deal he pulls the CDA funding took all the home funding couldn't get any support this developer couldn't get any support at dhcd after that they had to kill the prop they had about a half a million dollars invested when it was

killed I'm not going that route I'm not putting up a half million doll to not let get a project in 2011 we go back out for an RF okay Burbank comes back in but this time they say it's $2.5 million to do it what do we $2.5 million to develop 100,000 sare ft we award it to them unproven developer hasn't done anything significant other than like maybe fix up some Victorian homes or something we

give them this project 6 years later in 2016 the headline in the Herold news is the RDA is going to re claimed exercise his right under the reverter Clause to take back dery tech okay let's just imagine how that's going to play out legal fights law fights delays but 5 years maybe before there's some kind of resolution on where it's going to go I stepped in I had just finished commonweal Landing 103 Apartments there

I stepped in I asked the RDA what they wanted I asked the developer what he wanted I said what I could do we couldn't meet in the middle everyone had to give up major ground to get the deal done basically I was allowed to step in the shoes of the developer the RDA released their claims to the developer he was able to walk away with just like saving his skin and

not having to like give the building back and his personal guarantee for $750,000 2017 2021 is it's done it took me 4 years some people say that's a long time if it's a long time to you don't give me the bank Street Armory because it's going to take four years might take a little less I had Co to deal with but like okay um so basically that's what we were looking at for years

right uh boarded up Windows now we have the Corning lit up at cornet lit up at night I I think it's an asset to the downtown hope it is I love going by there and seeing people take their dogs out for walks and it's like become a neighborhood you know we have a homeless shelter nearby we have a housing project it's a nice neighborhood now you know people are feel comfortable in

there this is what the textile building looked like and I'm kind of showing it so you could look at your own and this is what it looks like now that was the model that's the exact floor of what this picture was taken then I put a 200 seat blackbox theater in we had a lecture hall in the kums building this is what it looks like now I have youth musical theater and spectum

Productions in there raising money to finish this particular project I put $900,000 of development money into that theater The National Trust gave us $600,000 for this Mass development just awarded youth musical theater Spectrum Powers Productions 110,000 for the lighting and sound system and other improvements they have $150,000 left to complete this particular project we'll get it done I'm

going to take them and we're going to get this thing done we're going to have a 200 seat theater in downtown Fall River little disappointed that you want to put a larger venue across the street I put almost $25 million dollar my money and other people's money into putting this into place so bacon 23 years 8 years full starts miscues politics a protracted legal thing basically avoided right it

you know I stepped in like I think everyone was like someone's going to take over this thing it wasn't another Police Station instead it's 44 market rate Apartments 11 lowincome Apartments 200 seat Auditorium I got a co-working space in there I pay $60,000 a year in real estate taxes when for 23 years it didn't collect anything and that's with the ti I will end up paying about $110,000 a year in 5 years once there's

no tie to me that's a win for the city any way you slice it now what I'd like to do is show you the parallels of Bank Street Armory doing the same thing and I apologize everyone giving me the uh time to to go through this um again it's amazing what you get when you decide to like start from new I got to put a presentation together for you

guys so the first thing I do is go back to the original articles about the bank Street Armory in 2013 and I'll call it Recreation or Recreation I don't know the right way to say that organization's name they decided that they were going to abandon the Armory it wasn't suiting their purpose they wanted a brand new state-of-the arm facility on Harwell Street they didn't want the Armory to

say like the kids need it and stuff like that they didn't want it they were raising money for their own place in 2015 structural issues the chimney is going to break down well they go somewhere else I in my mind I'm thinking wasn't that terrible for the kids they got kicked out but they were going anyway they were raising money to leave we do a study you know we jump on it we start

doing some stuff right away you know then all of a sudden it's like it doesn't become the political hot button anymore and guess what the city stops maintaining the property and you can see what's going on over there just look at the ridge line look at the fail gutters this is a classic I can see this because I go on the roof of my building across the street so when you see this you know

what's happening the water comes down the roof it goes in here there's a granite wall an interior brick wall and there's about a 3in gap in there and every rainstorm from the basement up it just fills up with water and then it drips back down we can't repair that I should say I would repair it but the city didn't really care right until now we had a a mirr that made this a reelection po

potential mayor that wanted to make this a re-election issue May Suter right he went to the council he made some comments and stuff like that he knows Alan mackenberg yeah he knows me okay where was he where was he it was that important he couldn't fix up something that was his clock time right there he could have done that so M Coogan comes in he wants to put an event center

there great great idea great idea 100% do it I love it I can pivot if it's going to happen I can put my money elsewhere in my building Vinson starts with this developer from the bck Armory I think his name is TBO or Theo or something like that but in 2022 he basically says listen the Project's not feasible basically said the project can't be done I can't make it work he

walks away the city comes out and wants to do an RFP Jason you sat on the Review Committee right I did if anyone propose an Arts related Jews even if they gave a subpar Financial offer it would have beaten right it was it was definitely loaded so that I wasn't going to win if you had an art that unfortunately for the city I was the only one that came in and put it to you right

okay it's across the street it's only 30 some apartments if it was a solo project I couldn't do it I couldn't have a manager and a maintenance technician around for 30 Apartments but I had those people across the street so I can share the overheads and make it work that's why I did um so the the point I was trying to make here is the Army is vacant for8 years the city's

not maintaining the building there was an appraisal that I gave you it has a negative number that wasn't made available to me when I Was preparing my my proposal I wish it was because I would have bid the appraise value of probably like a dollar or something like that you know when you're sitting on a proposal uh an appraisal and you know sure that J RFP that's kind of like not

fair but okay I'll stand by my my thing the youth they were abandoning it they were headed out the pucky Armory developer not feasible guys God bless you I listen to that kid Alex like talk to you about like making it like more people aware of and stuff like that hey kid the guy from Pucket says it can't be done what are we going to go find more people are going to tell us the same

thing now we got New Bedford on November 14th that's coming out with an RFP for their Armory now we got two people looking to develop armories in the neighborhood and I have a 200 seat theater I demonstrated the need I went out I got money from National Trust Mass development the bar foundation and I approached 12 other organizations that would be the same organizations that the city would get their grants from well

guess what that pipe's been filled they're not going to want to build want to fund another one right across the Street when they've been stroking checks for this one here um thank you I'll let you sit down with that I'll finish up my comments sitting down can I say one thing or is that like against rules that's against rules so to me it's aily similar you know you guys have been put in a

predicament and uh I don't envy it Envy you um I go back to my original comment don't be the scapegoats for this don't be 3 years from now say oh we had this letter from the historical commission not our problem not the city council so this is where I stand today and um I'm going to be as straightforward as possible I've hung in here I've never threatened to pull my proposal or

anything like that but I'm here and I'm getting a little frustrated right now I really am um so you're in put to the council is going to weigh heavily on what happens extremely heavy I think they're basically going to do exactly what you say if you recommend it to kill it the Armory won't be my next project obviously if you recommend to pause it which I believe is what the letter says

now or something similar I'll sit tight for now but I'm be I would begin to work with the city of New Bedford to redevelop their Armory their RFP came out on November 14th I can't spread myself too thin these transformative developments take a lot out of you personally financially familywise I'm not doing two at once I got one in me for the next 3 to four years and maybe another one after

that um I'm not saying I'll win the New Bedford one but I will pursue it if my deal is paus um I believe my reputation it seeds the area of Fall River and I would be welcome into New Bedford right now um they're trying to schedule u a walk through with me I've kind of been at arms length um but there are other opportunities for me I you know I want

to do this it's across the street it's my neighborhood um I just implore you you know secure my commitment now before it's not there in the future with that I'll yield and I thank everyone for their patience while I went through this thank you thank you for your presentation thank you very much Mr mamar um did anyone have any questions regarding item for any other questions any questions uh were there any

questions from Mr Mamer no no pretty straightforward joce did you have any extra any questions from Mr Mamer questions y yes do you have any questions well just out of curiosity how many other projects are on deck for your company uh Sanford spinning Mill notra Dame Union Belt that's not the same I've done two projects they're complete one is conwal landed I did with two other partners major project 100,000 ft of

commercial space and 100 apartments and in a Serial fashion I began the jery tech project and I've completed that in 2021 so this would be my so this would be my company's sole Focus for the next 3 to four years the other question is back at the city level the ordinance at the City article 3 uh entitled Armory maintains the AU authorized uses of the building which is not consistent

with housing so we have an ordinance issue have an ordinance issue um where the Armory will be used to Statewide meetings conventions trade fairs Garden shows automobile shows athletic events business there's a deed restriction there's also an ordinance issue with the city of Fall River there is no deed restriction issue the deed restriction is a preservation restriction and I'm fully aware of that

um I tried to be up front and show how we would try to address it would this be the final solution I can guarantee you it won't be working with the historical preservation people is a challenge if you think you're going to do an event center and like walk it through there God bless you it's not going to happen it's going to be like it's like pulling teeth um with regard so there is no deed

restriction issue with regard to an ordinance an ordinance can be changed by a vote of the council true I think a 5 to four vote of the council could change it a 6 to3 vote is required to award this project so I think a 6 to3 vote would Trump a 5 to4 vote if you want to go back to the ordinance that was put in place when I believe the ordinance was

put in place so that the mayor could discuss in 2020 with the developer of the Pucket Armory and it hasn't been Revisited since so if you just want to say if he can change the ordinance I'll give him you should give him the property if he can do that I'll take that challenge well I I salute the fact that you've done 1082 Devol Street and also the dery tech but I think both of those

projects were quite different than the structure that the Amory represents um for one thing I'll be very honest if I were renting one of those apartments I don't think I would want to walk out the balcony to artificial light coming in from one of these um tubes that you have coming in from the roof level it just doesn't seem that this structure inside the Great Hall lend itself to housing uh that would be

appropriate and I I I think that's the issue with the Armory the Armory was made to be a military installation not a school not a mill schools have straight hallways Mills have straight hallways they have Windows but I mean you can deal with an Armory that's ready to fight a you know that has a military purpose so that the structure is quite different and I I don't think that it lends

itself uh to that um function but you've consulted Architects maybe you can Enlighten us a little bit more about how that works because I want to know if there are any other armories that are renovated to housing uh the ones that I've looked at at adbor uh or Pucket that's another issue didn't work but that's all done uh uh adbor has been an an art an art and Recreation Center the fact that Recreation abandoned the

Armory was because the Armory was for falling apart and the city at that time said they were going to work on Hardwell Street for a wellness and Recreation Center that never happened so a lot of things are said a lot of things never follow through and the building continues to deteriorate for seven years since the last time it was patched up and we're in this the same situation now with a patch

up so I'm still waiting for a direct commitment from the city of Fall River to tell us where we stand with this building I'm not convinced yet that it's ready for renovation thank you did you want to comment or just just I need more information I need more information from the city I'd like to see a plan I'd like you've developed a plan we know what the plan looks like I haven't seen one from

the city yet so if they're interested in an Arts and Cultural Center where's the plan where's the budget where's the maintenance cost good luck um so if I could just like briefly try to answer some of the questions that you raised in the New Bedford uh proposal they gave two examples of armories within the community that have been redeveloped into housing that's right and they got money from the state for their

repairs C of New Bedford can I please speak so if you want to I will leave that for you the city of New Bedford recently is working with Jo at the state level uh the um division of capital asset management and maintenance and they're looking at $3.8 million for repairs commissioner you're coming at me rapid fire without allowing me to address any one particular issue if that's the intent you're achieving it so

what would you like me to do would you like me to just let you city of Fall River engaged in the same way in the same way to uh to get the repairs and at the Timeline set up a focus on what they expect to achieve in that building well New Bedford May Mitchell's come out he received $3.8 million from the state of Massachusetts and he invested in structural improvements in the building

he is now going out for an RFP and he's told the city council clearly we don't have the means or the anything to redo the Armory we are going to find a reputable private developer to do it that's where it stands right now so that's where they're at at that's where they're at in their so to answer your question about housing in their RFP that just came out they highlight two facilities two

armories in Massachusetts that have been converted into I have the number on it I have the number and I'm ready to I was trying to research it can I please speak let him finish let him finish then in the letter that I gave to the commun the commission when I sent in the package I believe I included included some paperwork that gave you drawings of what the Lin Armory was going to be

redeveloped into so what I'm proposing is not unique or unheard of it's a very marketable product and maybe you would not live there but there's a lot of other single individuals for $1,400 or $1,300 that would be more than happy to have one-bedroom home to live in uh roughly 800 sare ft much larger than one-bedroom homes so you know I stand by my comments I um I spoke from my heart

when I gave them to you I'm tired of all the politics that are involved I I hope that came across you know I'm not going to lose sleep over not getting the Armory but I'm a pra I'm pragmatic I think that we're going to it's not going to the city of Fall River is not going to do anything with it you if you think we're going to go out and and get grants and awards

like yeah what's the community need there's a 200 seat theater across the street how do you go out and develop okay so the first thing you have to do when you put these grants together is you don't go and ask the amount or tell them what you're going to do you're going to tell them what the need is that you're going to service in the community and how it's not being met right now

what need is not being met any other questions okay you I have a question so you brought up the example of the Linn Armory and how the developer was successfully able to petition MHC and kind of get around the deed restrictions I'm just curious like if you're familiar what the deed restrictions were for that Armory if it's written in a similar way that it is for almost for btim okay yeah yeah I'm

sure they have a boil plate yeah it's it's an MHC boiler plate disposable armories yeah pull it out and cut you know change the search and find and replace it with other information cuz I think that was kind of my hinge point at least in the last meeting was the feasibility of actually getting a project like this through and getting it approved by MHC but if that is a potential then I think that changes

things a little bit cuz for me that was like a non stter like oh M's not going to pass this but and I think I um counseled you in my letter to um make it requirement uh at the expense of the uh purchaser yeah to get it before you give away the treasure right yeah that's that's what I would recommend even if if you're going to give it to someone else to do a $3

million development I'd make sure that they can get their plans approved as well you know my development is going to be in the the neighborhood of $15 million which is about $250,000 a unit hard cost $300,000 unit soft cost Jason I know you're in the industry those are pretty standard numbers right now so um regarding the just out of curiosity regarding um how many so there's 17 units in the drill hall and

then 13 approximately in the head house uh six per floor 18 20 in the head house 20 in the head house okay um so would hypothetically um if there was an opportunity to just do the head house and the drill Hall was left as a public space um whether leased out by a different org or something of that nature how does that affect the project would would it still remain market rate or would it have to

go to a different a different route with the head house no I've uh had exploratory conversations before the RFP was ever issued um it was um meetings with um the administration and the Redevelopment Authority about what they'd like to see done uh very adamant about there being uh an event space in the back in the drill Hall and uh I suggested that we um make the building a condo I would take the head house and

can have the Event Center and they can redo the event center and run it and everything like that well there's a lot of obligations that come with that right and uh I I don't think that was very appealing because we're not going to move at the pace of government we're going to move at the pace of 3 to four years to get the project done but I I would the head house is the mo I mean

the drill Hall is the most expensive part to redevelop um ideally the most financially best way to go in this particular case I would drop the drill Hall and I would add a fivestory addition to the back of the head house and I'd have a 100 units there it would just be gorgeous but ain't going to happen you know and if you if the city whoever wants to do this would ask me I would be more

than helpful happy to give free advice on what would need to be done to R develop this particular project but I don't want to just deal with people that want to say like we can go out get grants and stuff like that it's like no someone's going to write the check thank you um were there any other questions from Mr Mamer wow I think this is the most exciting historical commission meeting I've ever

seen thank you very much thank you thank you welcome thank you um all right um item regarding um moving on to item five uh we have a request for continued letters of support uh from Ryan LLC regarding historic tax credit allocation uh regarding um the properties is at 206 glob Mills Avenue Stanford spinning Mills 529 Eastern Avenue with the Notre Dame rectory and 66 Troy Street the Union Belt company uh

we do have uh Emily uh uh Domani did I get that right Domani yes okay um if you want to mind uh just introducing yourself and also stating how you are presenting please hi I'm Emily Domani with Ryan LLC and I'm presenting virtually over zoom and um I did receive the packets thank you for for the continued letters of support um can we go down list by uh property um ABC on the agenda we have

206 School of Mills Avenue um and just update us on the status of the project please um so the first is 206 schol of Mills yep so this project is still in preconstruction getting all the final financing in place one key component of that is the approvals from NPS and as well as MHC so we have conditional part two approval for this building now along with um some approved amendments related to those

conditions um so that project is uh well on its way we're hoping for to get the first allocation in January or December whenever MHC releases their allocations for the August round so they haven't started construction there okay but there is a lot um as you saw when we were there they are doing a lot of the cleanup work just there's a lot of material in the building that they're working on

cleaning out to ready by the time construction is um it's time for construction to start okay thank you um are there any questions regarding item uh 5A separate spinning notes no um we can probably just approve the so basically basically the the U Sid uh spinning Mills that's still in the condition that it was there's no construction at all is basically still cleaning and preparing for construction at this point no

exterior uh work no interor work just just clean up and all right okay okay thank you um regarding um 529 Eastern Avenue Notre Dame rectory um a project update of that please yeah so that had recent ownership change which was prior to I believe it was prior to the last meeting but the new owner has begun the initial some initial work there on the building so that's in progress and we're just continuing to

apply for more allocations and there's been no change to the scope of work as previously proposed okay okay are they actually working in there at this point I I I'm by there quite often there's seems to be no activity at all so they had been doing a little bit of work in there they have had a setback with the um getting power to the building correct um so that has been a

delay but they are very interest in keeping the work so so the electrical installation has not been reinstalled at this point two or three months ago they were looking to get power restored in that building so they could proceed yeah as of about a month ago I don't think they had okay um full electrical back in the building they're just working off generators okay that's yeah that's a an issue

okay um any questions so before we move on to the next one okay um and uh 5c uh regarding Union Belt company at 66 Troy Street any project update on that please yep so again that one is um we have The NPS conditional approval on that project now and we have responded to most of those conditions they have done some demo work there mostly removing the um non-historic buildout that was there

previously and so that that's just moving along and we'll we're hoping to get the first allocation for that building as well whenever we hear back from MHC MH okay um is there I believe the last time we ADM met there was a delay with MHC responding to projects with their allocations is that sounds like that's still the case um what can you refr what you're asking so um you said you're U still

still waiting to hear back from H C on allocations oh when do they typically let me rephrase oh yeah so typically it's either late December early January okay okay for the August round so we're in in the window that we typically hear back from could be any time now okay but it will likely be later in December or early January okay thank you there was a little delay in there Emily with the

tenant is that tenant vacated the building yeah there are no tenants left in the building other than the first floor and they're staying they're staying yep during construction yep okay thank you interesting yeah interesting okay but okay um so thank you very much uh were there any other questions for Emily regarding these three items okay um so there requesting continued letters of support

which are essentially just the ones that um the ones that have been submitted in the past um recommending the allocation of tax credit um so are there should we do want do we want to just package them up as one votes okay um a motion I can make a motion to um provide a lot of of support for all three projects okay and I'll second that motion all right all right so I have a motion by

Elizabeth and a second by uh Rick um to approve the continued letters of support uh for 206 GL Mills Avenue 529 Eastern Avenue and 66 Troy Street uh may I get a roll call vote John yes uh Ashley yes Elizabeth Yes Rick Rick manini yes uh Joyce yes and Jason Bard and Iraqi yes um I I will send those over to you as soon as possible so that way you can

meet your filing deadline on that um Emily thank you very much for uh joining thank you joining us we'll see you soon have a good one thank you okay thank you um and then on item six uh we have uh Bristol County Commissioners requesting letter of support for Community preservation act grant funding for the exterior restoration of the former Fall River Superior Courthouse at 441 North Main Street um do we have

uh evening hi and if you wouldn't mind uh stating your name and uh who you're representing please and um also how you're presenting as well uh whether in person or via Zoom since we have the hybrid meeting my name is Tammy mutino I am the facility superintendent for Bristol County and represent the Bristol County Commission I presenting in person and my purpose tonight is to ask

for a letter of support for the County's um proposed project for the Fall River Children's Museum the county owns two buildings in Fall River the Children's Museum and the Fall River registry of deeds so uh the Fall River Children's Museum I have submitted an application to uh Fall River Community preservation uh for some funding to do some outside work um right now I'm just focusing on the southwest and west cor

side and corner of the building uh planning on doing things and stages and that seems to be the portion that's affecting the inside the most so my initial application included some inside work which I now have found out that I need to remove so I'm going to adjust do a little some adjusting include some roof work because the uh commission asked me to the CPA committee asked me to check the roof a little bit

more so I have a plan for the roof uh I have some plan to do some motor work um repair some window case trimmings where the joints meet the stone remediation flashing roof drains and slate and copper roof repair quite a bit um and yeah it's just that little corner too and the Southwest so Vis that's this side that's the would that be the tower uh yes okay so the tower is in the

in the scope of I think it's like phase two it might not be in this phas okay and the West Side would be the side that's facing North Main Street I believe correct okay and does that include just and this is just for the Children's Museum and the children museum correct because they're considered two separate buildings sure okay even though they're technically connected but technically they are okay

um so not the tower yet all right um when is the work expected to begin uh as soon as we know about the funding and like funding for this application most likely won't be released until probably July so we're probably looking at the summer cuz you can't start anything until until you actually receive the funding correct okay um this is but as soon as we get it we're going great and how long is the

work expected to take about uh I would say we could probably get this done by the Fall oh okay so a few months yeah I mean for because we're just focusing on that corner some outside work and uh hopefully some roof work once I represent present in um January uh we'll see how they receive the adjustments that I make so we'll see what goes on excellent um do I have any questions for Miss

Latino no s okay um and uh and uh I believe this is the first time at least that I'm not sure if youve presented to our board in the past I have not I have only been in position for eight months okay well welcome um so regarding uh any just um regarding any applications uh for letters of support from CPC uh we do require um just a presentation or at least an explanation

uh presented to the board um so we can make a vote and we can release a letter um just so you're I made some packets for you would you like some yes please thank you that would be great this I should have assumed there was something in the Box I all

right work mot work window case trim flashing I'm missing something trains that's it thank you roof repairs I got that yep and not the tower and not the registry Deeds okay thank you make a great teacher sorry thank you so much this is it thank you okay thank okay that was the thank you I think this is in packet to 393 this is very thorough thank you very much um

okay um yeah I was just going to say I'm familiar with this project it was presented to the CPA and uh what's what's requireed now is just to get a letter of support from the historic commission to to help go through with this project okay thank you Rick and thank you this is very thorough thank you very much um does anyone have any questions for Miss mintino at all no

would would you like a motion yeah um that would be yes pleas okay I'll make a motion that we get a letter of support for this project to the C PC I'll second the motion Elizabeth thank you all right so I have a motion by Rick second by Elizabeth uh to approve a letter of support for Community preservation act funding for 441 North Main Street um I get a roll call votes John yes Ashley I abstain

okay Elizabeth yes uh Rick Rick Mancini yes Joyce yes yes thank you um and Jason Bard nqi yes thank you so I will send that letter over to you uh when do you need the uh letter by uh the 16th is when I meet with the Fall River one because I also have one going on with New Bedford okay for project there so I think theirs is the ninth and Fall River

is the 16th I go back before then 16th thank you I ask because there's different filing deadlines if for some reason it changes I'll email you but I'm sure it's the 6 thank you very much welc our ours would be the fifth B yours would be the the CPC would be the fifth okay all right thank you thank you so much thank you me too thank you okay all right so

um under new business we also do need to uh make a uh regarding the 2024 meeting schedule uh for the historical Commission um this is it item seven um we have maintained every third Tuesday for at 6 p.m. for a while um is that time workable for most people for everyone okay there any suggestions or yes okay that does okay do we want um so may I get a vote to maintain the current

schedule of every third Tuesday at 600 p.m mhm yes make a motion for that thank you Ashley I need a second please second thank you Elizabeth all right so a motion by Ashley and a second by Elizabeth to maintain our schedule of every third Tuesday at 6: p.m for 2024 uh Mo uh roll call votes uh John Ashley yes Elizabeth Yes Rick Rick manini yes Joyce yes and Jason bardaki yes thank you everyone um

under old business item a uh eight sorry this is regarding the bank Street Armory the opinion requested from the Fall River his uh of the Fall River historical commission um that uh so this nothing has been submitted or written as of yet because I we have received the over meeting law complaints um so I believe that just stands as is is there anything that anyone needs to add to it at all so I will be

working off of what we went on on the 30th of November okay sure all right um and I will find out when I don't believe it's been posted on any agenda yet so I will uh may I ask um for uh somebody from to review I'll send it out to everyone but just in case I'm missing something um okay thank you and then I'll send it out for just all right um item anything else regarding eight

item eight um regarding item nine uh certified local government application project update I did receive everyone's uh bios and cover um bios and or resumes thank you so I am working on that as we speak um I will have a I will have a completed by our next meeting in January uh and then we'll have that submitted um and that'll be a nice way to start the month of January um and that'll be

submitted over to the state um so that's where I'm at with that um item 10 um Highlands local historic district expansion uh Ashley did provide us and I did print copies for everyone um the letter to the area homeowners or Property Owners um and the survey that is attached that everyone see have her copy I have one somewhere I have two copies that's why thank you all right um I went through it I

didn't see anything out of the or I think we clarified everything the only thing we need to change is the um on the survey we just need to change the uh survey please return the survey by um so once we're ready to mail out um we can make a a note to upate update that yep um so but everything else I thought was fine um and this is just standard from MHC um

we just had to change the wording around for Village to city and okay um and all the changes that we discussed have been correct updated here thank you for doing that problem um were there any questions on the letter no okay so I don't think we need to do we should we vote on well we we'll wait till we have a date wait till we have a date um so with that said um so the

target area um I having printing uh issues today so I did provide or I have I'll pass it around um this is and that's not the the best situation right now but that is the map of the current District um everything basically around that within the national register District um I think that's the target area I believe that's what we're looking at um if there's additional input as to how far out we should be going um

um then we will I'll have to have more maps prepared for at least for next meeting um there's 48 properties in the 40c district uh Technic well originally 47 one of the properties was subdivided the boundary lines haven't changed so it's now 48 um so there you go just to give you an idea it's it's uh outlined in red um yeah and at next meeting I'll have it put up onto

the screen at least in a larger uh sense and I'll have some larger Maps um produced so that's the current boundary line um do we have any thoughts as to how far out we should go um well can we look at a map of the national register District like compare it kind of overlay it we can do that um MHC has a good um on the macro database they have a a map function that shows

the 40c within the national so we'll have yep it's very handy um there are and most of the any of the properties in the for uh in the National register District they do have the form BS they are very outdated though um so that's one thing that we will have to update um and uh when we ultimately get to that point with the survey um so I will have I'll get a um I'll see

if I can get a larger copy printed out um not okay perfect um what kind of format do you need for it to be printed anything like a PDF or a tip or something PDF is fine PDF is fine okay F thank you um okay and so next steps for that uh I will get a um loger map of the nrhp we go from there um and then that way we'll list out the addresses where

we're sending out to um cuz it Doesn't Really indicate if we need to go 200 ft out or whatever this is not a zoning uh issue this is just where we want to Target the expansion um okay um item 11 regarding steep bio Reserve Form B project update okay uh very interesting uh it's completed um and we're going to get a presentation it should be in March and Professor Styles had a u close out with

her students last uh Tuesday and uh we we went there and and listened it's very very comprehensive they they've really looked at 32 buildings uh out of the there's 22 remaining in the Steep Brook area and and the the history that theyve they've done an exceptionally wonderful job with the with the area uh and they did a lot of in depth and surrounding areas and got back to the history of the families and

and the surrounding properties they didn't single in on just one piece of property uh very interesting the presentation we're going to get a copy by the way okay uh we're going to get both document and we're going to get a a drive on there uh it's about a half an hour maybe 40 minute presentation uh really really good uh and in my in watching that presentation and and watching all the details and and the

students really put their heart into this you can see that they've really dug into the facilities and enthused but one of the comments was that boy you know you could actually set up a a u a tour get the trolley going because it's it's that steep Brook area is that interesting if you can get get the markers and and go through those properties uh and in my my weirdest thought I said wow wouldn't that be a

nice area to get a for to get a uh a 40c district in particularly where most of the work has been done and Professor style has alluded to the fact that she might be able to get a class in there next year to complete the other 22 buildings uh and that would be a really nice heads up for the city uh so uh I'm going to talk to John C from to see if

we can get it put in with the registry of deeds and and get that established because there's just no identification for those buildings of any sort uh at the registry so this would be good but anyway just still long and the short of it all we'll get a really good presentation great and it is interesting uh and it's something that we could uh present to the neighborhood M get a special meeting going and just invite

anybody in the steep Brook area to just come down and and present this half hour 40 minute presentation that would be wonderful if we can do we can make the well we can do a special meeting or at least have a for that purpose we can do a special meeting um uh I would love to have at least uh uh an idea as to when in March Professor Styles is think at our at our next

meeting so that our regular meeting yes regular meeting she's going to Comm in and present that works okay tentatively she she should have it all pull together at that point she figures she'll have it done in February so much presentation thank you thank you and it's very interesting Rick thank you very much for heading that up oh that's thank problem um any questions for Rick on that at all no okay um so

that with that said um we uh I don't have anything else on agenda um it is 7:34 um May I make a can I get a motion to adjourn please I'll make a motion that we adjourn the meeting 730 second that all right Rick Ashley um all right so adjourning at 7:34 p.m. May I get a roll call uh vote John yes Ashley yes Elizabeth Yes rck Rick Mancini yes Joyce

Joyce rods yes and Jason bardi yes thank you very much everyone and happy holidays and happy New Year