12.27.2022 Fall River City Council

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Kilby here the Liberty here Pelletier yeah Herrera yeah raposo here Washington here president Camaro here pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit this meeting to any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and not

deemed acknowledged and permissible motion open the public hearing motion open Republican has been raised in a second second second we have item number one before us Bob's Place LLC doing business as Straight Shooters Billiards 30 Front Street for permission to maintain a pocket Builder room with 24 tables located at 30 Front Street on Lot K slash zero three slash zero zero one on the assessments plan

are there any proponents to this public hearing any proponents at all seeing none are there any opponents and the opponents to this public hearing motion to close second on the motion counseling c three and C5 counts of power down five or six I forget uh five five okay my phone uh they close down uh Straight Shooters on the Avenue is this it's a move yeah it was a move front door is that a mill

do we know I don't know do you want to put it to a committee coach and get some answers yeah guys me asking them I guess to move and uh I mean it should come down I mean you know we're not going to kill anybody he's here oh we got somebody up there mister so again I call proponents you want to come down now okay come on down please

could you please give your name and address for the record and encounter and see five hours 487 Baker Street Fall River so I guess the question is are you going to relocate to this new location down the street about a half a mile on Front Street half mile downstairs yeah is that a mill it is a mill that big long Mill behind Burger King oh yeah they're doing storage they bought uh

yeah outfit on the Chicago Board and it's all storage you know well they had a lot of interest because we were there for about uh 70 years uh yeah you will be found by one you're the guy who bought it right yeah I never went there since yeah I don't I don't play pool anyway but uh a lot of memories but that's okay so you had you had to move

we had to move 31 years we were there and the whole building is going to be storage it's all storage now last one nearest Cottage and they got about a year left and they got to get out as well they gotta get out so all our entertainment is gone from batting cages to Laser Gate all left the dancing Places Dance Studio yeah all right I just wanted a little more information I appreciate it good luck

thank you accountancy six counts prayer um thank you I was just going to add that I know that they had sold the building but that Straight Shooters has done a great job there you have a lot of leagues that go on there's never any problem there oh uh you serve liquor there as well beer wine beer and wine and there was never a problem with that and I know you have um usually something in the around

Christmas time yeah we do a functions yes uh for St Vince so I think that's great I've been to the fundraiser I'm not a good pool player you've been there yeah well you have to say what hole it's going into and me anyone counts I'm not really good at that but good luck to you thank you very much I'm glad that you found a location it wasn't easy yeah but

thank you oh thank you all right we got on you Mr President thank you so much thank you thank you you can have a seat now thank you thanks yes you're all set thank you

motion to close hearing seconds motion closer public hearing has been made by concert Kilby seconded by Council proposal all in favor aye aye heading is now closed against public hearing second motion to adjourn the public hearing as was made because of Kobe second by Council kadim all in favor aye motion public hearing this agenda take it six o'clock now it is six enough City College Community Finance come to

order clerk will call the room Council here Dion here Kilby here little liberty here Pelletier yeah Pereira yeah raposo here Washington here president Kamara here pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit this meaning to any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made where the perceived or

unperceived by those present and not deemed acknowledged and permissible before we begin Finance the number of individuals are signed up this is an input time everyone has three minutes first to come before us I believe the individuals want to come down together s and Mr Ferrell excuse me General want to come down please subject matters police hiring and attention state your name and address for the

record please gentlemen yeah my name is Jonathan Ferreira 685 Pleasant Street Edmond dismara 685 Pleasant Street good evening good evening uh first we want to say uh the I'm the president of the patrolmen's association officer Damaris is the vice president on behalf of the Union body uh we're here to talk about retention issues so we were very excited when the city council reached out to invite us here

the reason we're speaking to you uh before that issue comes to you is we're under the impression that this motion might be this there might be a motion to table this we are at critical Staffing levels right next to those of whom there were massive layoffs in the city we don't believe now is the time to kick this can down the road and wait another month or longer um there was some talk that is possibly

a 150e violation in regards to contract issues there is none um it's it's on the ground rules we've spoken to our attorney we're even willing to go into executive session to talk about this issue this is nothing that we feel should be held off and wait to the new year uh this issue has to be dealt with immediately this should have been dealt with prior but we're happy that we're

here to address it tonight uh and we're hoping that this doesn't get tabled for a later issue what we're asking councils is we're asking you for the same opportunity that this Council offered uh Chief Garvin back in June when we actually were in negotiations uh Council Kadeem you asked him questions directly about Staffing he provided you an answer that there was no Mass Exodus there is no staffing issues

that if people want to leave they should be allowed to leave we need to address that because that is not correct information my department is in a crisis we need it addressed immediately if it's concerned if the council is concerned about going into 150e violations I assure you we will not discuss anything that's on negotiation table although there is an mou um that we have as we speak we will not

speak on any of those issues so that way you'll be safeguarded we will discuss it openly if you do want to discuss those items we can go into executive session and discuss those but our ground rules are very clear as to what we can and can talk about and we're here to talk about what we can talk about and that is Staffing and safety at the Florida Police Department we were under the impression that we

were being called to we could all work together we don't know at what point this became uh US versus you or US versus them we all have the same issue here the forever Police Department there are levels are critically low that affects the safety of the citizens of Fall River and the safety of the police officers so we want this address immediately again we're not here to to go on the defensive or point fingers

we're here to work with the city council with the chief with the city to fix this problem to address the problem this in no way is is we're not trying to be defensive or point the finger as I said we're trying to work to solve this massive issue that we're dealing with right now we don't we don't want the Union's voice quelled and there are some serious serious uh conduct today leading up to

this meeting once it was discovered that the union received an invite and would be here to speak there was some uh action to stop us from coming and to hear our voice and we don't want the Union's voice to be quelled we want it to be heard we want a voice to be heard by you and the public I think it's an important issue is that a generally because I just want

to say that I don't think this is US versus you or in the Departments this Council wants to work together with you that's why you're here the council president a council of Pereira filed the resolution she I asked who do you want to invite she said if she wants to invite you people as well as the chief so that's why you're here the only thing that I see is that the contract hasn't

been signed yet this came up the last city council meeting so I put it on this agenda for today thinking that we could talk about it but it doesn't do any harm to wait another two weeks or three weeks to have this discussion you will be right back at this table everyone will be here the same I just don't want to jeopardize anything and I know you say you promise we're not going to touch and

walk the fine line but you don't know what's going to happen this councilman well a council might say something that is not in what we should be doing so um I mean with that concern uh president um we're not going to we're not going to address we are not going to discuss anything that's in contract negotiations you say way too correct how do we know if a contract's going to be signed into

it's correct correct so we don't council president it feels as though what's happening I think is it's almost as if the city is compelling and forcing the union to engage in a contract settlement just so our voice can be heard yeah see that's and that's unfortunate because this was a a resolution to the council for forward and I put on the agenda industry's had nothing to do with this I just put on

today's agenda because I felt that we had a light agenda we could put it on for this discussion to get the ball going okay it has nothing to do with anyone signing and not signing or nothing but since the contract hasn't been signed I don't think it's right for us to go down and have this winning prior to that contributing time and it might take another two years so if

that's the case you have plenty of time to negotiate and do what you need to do without this Council interfering in any way shape or form that's my only concern I hope you would respect that because it's all we didn't I didn't speak to any administrator before I put this on the agenda City Police Department anyone I spoke to the council prep the Council of Pereira who put this in and asked who

she wanted to invite and I invited the chief and the administration it was not done with anyone trying to do anything get any contract signed immediately or if it takes five years it's up to you people to negotiate and decide what is in both your best interests and that's what we're here to do try to help you get to that point and I think it's safer if we just wait oh one one question

please we've been in contract negotiations since April in June these exact questions were asked to the chief while we were in negotiations why now when the city wants to address these issues do we need to wait that's our question it was because back then we were in budget herons and the Chief came down to talk about his budget so that question comes up it's comes up and every year I've been on Council pretty

much when people talk about retention and hiring police officers to not only the chief but to every department head that's a major concern Citywide it's not malicious to try to sway you one way or another that would be a normal question that anyone would ask the chief or any other department how are you doing hiring people we had to tell every other a lot of other departments over here how

are you doing retaining people and they're all said not just that department but other departments Public Works they're leaving like by droves they have tough time hiring people we need licensed people so there's a lot of things that go into it that wasn't a specific question Mr Kadima asked just to pinpoint the chief against the union of Vice Versa he just asked the question he would ask other departments

I didn't imply that it was it wasn't a malicious intent again I I respect what you're saying or respect what you're doing here I would hope to respect the fact that we want to err on the side of caution and if it takes two weeks or two months or three months or six years who knows because only you people will decide what the administration with the contract negotiations how long it's

going to take we're trying to help you we want to help you as much as possible council president you're saying if if we don't get a contract signed in two years I'm not saying this isn't going to be addressed for two years no I'm not saying anything like that point of order I I cut the poverty on a thin line here I agree yes yeah we really really are so

we have to take a step back and pause from this thank you Mr President yes it's uh I don't think it's appropriate to have a back and forth about you my appreciations at this this point so gentlemen I appreciate you coming totally agree I'm sorry Mr President I totally agree with uh the possible uh you know uh executive session uh period but um at this point I think we're already on a fine line in terms of

talking about issues that our body uh with Crossing lanes and consulate demon seat one says this many many times in terms of staying our lane so so yeah I mean the council I want to go back and forth I just want to say one more thing 150e we are right okay we are in City Administration you are not as a council it is the council's role right to to listen to the body listen to the

administration listen to the unions within your city about issues you've you've asked the administration in June you've re you've got a response we are now at a point where you had to ask for a public hearing why would we not pursue that public hearing why all of a sudden is that public hearing now not going to be discussed around the table why all of a sudden that the Union's been invited that that

meeting is being shut down it's not being shut down it's being changed this is the fine line I'm sorry I do want to say I did say at three minutes I gave you more than three minutes I appreciate you coming down I respect it and I understand exactly what you're saying and I think hopefully we can work this out thank you everyone's going to understand that we totally support you yeah big time we don't feel

it totally we don't feel it I appreciate you saying that because we don't feel I appreciate it I appreciate you saying that Council thank you constant c one contact team thank you Mr President so just I guess go on record I I would support a conversation to discuss about um retention and Staffing levels but I'd also um I guess support putting it off for at least a week I know we're going to be

here next Tuesday for is that are we scheduled for next Tuesday we do have a special meeting for Tuesday so I think it might be it might make sense just to have one topic on there and and just have the Staffing and retention discussion on but the reason I put it off is because I'd actually put an executive session item as well just in case we've run that fine line where if

we feel like we need to go in executive session because now we're talking about deploying of uh police officers things in that nature then we can go into executive session but I think the general public and it should start off in an open session to talk about you know just obviously what the Staffing and retention is because across the uh the Commonwealth There's issues on is not just unique to Florida which is why

I asked the question especially with police reform um we've got we've got a lot of different Dynamics taking place where you know the the profession is taking a hit right and and people that have been in the profession for a while are are looking for for an exit strategy and we're also having a difficult time recruiting folks so I recognize that I just want to know where we stand uh from

a city in terms of what's the plan going forward do we have issues what we can do um but I I wouldn't agree with what you said and what my colleague in C3 said that we've got a air on the side of caution so we're not we're not negotiating right so it can't be any collective bargaining strategy anything of that nature um but the conversation should take place in Open Session and then move into

executive session and there's nothing here for us to go into executive sessions because like I can see us going down that road they won't be at the next meeting as well counselor because that special meeting is only a city council meeting especially not in finance this is in finance and I just want to point one thing out I know both yourself councilor Kadeem and councilor Kilby with former School community members

quite frequently going into executive session 26 years I've been in this council chambers Council palette Council Pereira can tell you as well we've never gone into an executive session on any sort yeah we do most of our business in the Public's eye so they can say anything I for one understand why the school committee does it because you do enter in negotiation with contracts employment contracts so it's different

this body doesn't do that we don't have that role so we I've I'm not a fan of going to Executive session which these type of issues so I just I disagree with you on that standpoint that there are 10 reasons for us to go in executive session one of them is to discuss the deployment of security and safety measures of it in the uh in the city so we can absolutely go an executive

session I think the reason I didn't say we couldn't Council I just said we never have right and I think the reason for that is is because most of the reasons for going an executive session are employment based and we're a legislative body that's that's the only reason so correct I would say that we should we should still have that executive session uh item on the agenda just in the case

you know we go down the road and we start talking about deployment of of police officers and that nature we shouldn't be having those conversations in public we should be having those behind closed doors and that's just an opportunity to make sure that nobody understands understands the strategy or the strategy isn't released to those people that shouldn't know what the strategy is that that's the only reason

for that thank you thank you Council anyone else Council C5 katsapow down you know here we are we got 45 minutes to kill and we'd want to hear a little bit of what they got to say I mean we can move it a couple of weeks down or whatever but you said it may take six months it might take two years who knows but you know everybody's here uh you know they they're gonna

follow I guess a closed line make sure they don't say anything out of the way and those two but it's like uh okay so we got 45 minutes we can't listen to him for 45 minutes because it's one of the council I'm just suggesting that you know I mean we don't have to do we can we can hear it out if you will it's a couch on one stone so to hear a little

bit about it so that's my feelings all right we can discuss it as soon as like you said maybe it's going to be uh second week of January uh it may be the energy area it may be July thank you come to see forecast for Liberty thank you um I just wanted to reiterate what counselor and C 3 said that this isn't and US versus them um this is the first time hearing of any

action to stop the union from coming down I think we all share in your concern Council Pereira is concerned who put the resolution in we all recognize the the fact that um we have an issue with hiring with retaining officers and it is a safety issue for the residents and also for the officers so um this body absolutely has been an executive session at least two or three times last term like I said not when I

said I'm I'm speaking I'm just saying we what we have been in with the police department so that is something we can do we do have to be mindful of um crossing the line but I I also agree with the counselor to my my left tweet this is the only item on finance and um we invited people here for a reason to speak about this and how's the president if you think it's crossing a line you

I'm sure you will absolutely say something but um I think we should it would at least owe a discussion on things that we can speak about with that I yield if that building will encounter that's perfectly fine Council C2 Council yeah yeah I would make a motion to uh hear what they have to say about this we're still in citizens of the time there's other people going to speak so we can save

that motion for we can have it finances coming up next so as soon as we're done with this this we can just entertain it basically I'm just saying from my point of view I we pursue it we listen to whatever what deals with Staffing levels don't cross the line don't discuss what we can't discuss but at least everybody's here that's right at least give them the opportunity to to speak

and with that idea thank you all right General thank you very much thank you thank you Alexa Jeffrey goudreau

subject matter use of uppercuts can you all hear me hello hope everyone had a good holiday so far so I'm just here briefly to discuss on today's topic on the funds being uh discussed tonight whether to go from City's fun so I know that past August the funds was approved for the Bristol County however just recently it was denied so the mayor was asking the councils tonight to use

City's Opera funds to use for the youth program now I for unfortunately did not make my input earlier this summer I mean I support youth programs I support young teens here in the city as always I'm not against it however I feel the two million dollars could be used for something else within the city I personally believe could be you know for the taxpayers and for the home renters could use for water

because everything's going up by next year of course so um I just truly believe that we could use the money used for a little bit more wisely because once the money's gone there's nothing else to be done with so I it was just my opinion and I do thank you for your time thank you Council today I just want to clarify something for you um just there nothing was denied with

the two million dollars in fact just to give you some information the money um families are calling on massive amounts to say they need this funding they cannot afford to keep their kids in extracurricular activities schools DCF so um instead of waiting months to get these kids on the help that they need we're actually just going to take a vote to move it to a fund that could help them immediately instead of having

children wait to get the care that they need so I mean we could take it off the table but nothing was denied in fact they actually loved their proposal but it's a much much longer process to help these children in the city of Fall River get the help that they need so that's just some information some clarification thank you council president thank you thank you next we have Colin dies

subject matter use of Opera funds

thank you council president but before I begin um I would agree with councilor intercede to us here what the union has to say we invited the union to come down today it's on the agenda the city council is not subject to any Union laws or anything like that I'm sure the Union and they know what to say what not to say I see no reason why the public can't hear what the hear about our

staffing issues um and I wanted to speak tonight again regarding the proposed arpa funding today at the two million dollar cost of Opera Monies to the taxpayer and I'm not I'm not against the project I do want to state that for the record I'm not against the project I believe we need to ask the financially pertinent questions when we have a big price tag of um expenditures like this to make

sure these surfaces go directly to the non-profit businesses and most importantly we need to make sure that these Opera dollars are used and attended directly for the Youth and on the privilege in our community which I'm sure the intention was for my questions are simple what criteria are going to be used for these non-profits when they submit their RFP their application for the funds

do they have to show a plan to use these funds are they going to get the money up front is it going to be a reimbursement process I understand um bcedc uses um a reimbursement process when they got there um Opera funding um and I understand from the conversations in August is there going to be a grant director and what will be their salary I don't think we should be approving funding first and then ask questions

later down the road and I also believe the city council shouldn't even have a role in general of creating grants or proposing grants with grant money I believe the city council should stick to the checks and balance system that we have between the council and the administration I think that's most important for the stability of the system and most importantly I think this is more of an issue with the process itself

than anything if the council approves tonight the Opera director and in in the in the packet told this city council the project would be forwarded to the Opera committee it was said in the letter that is a requirement there was a requirement that this project go forward to the Opera committee however the city also holds the position that the mayor has final approval on the 16 60 million dollars

worth of Opera funds and I think that's contradictory I don't believe this city has been fully honest and transparent with the community when it comes to offer spending the Opera committee should stop finding loopholes around the open meeting law and just hold public meetings so there's no question on where these funds go and I'll end by saying this as I said before when the city council

maintains its roles of checks and balances and we show fiscal responsibility on the backs of the taxpayer I think that's when you truly move forward forward and not backwards thank you thank you yep I just wanted to say um to answer your questions at any time you can call the administration office and they'll give you it's very detailed to go into it citizens input right now but all of

your checks and balances and all of your questions can be answered to them so I would call Cara the Opera attorney and she can give you all the answers to the questions that you have that's it thank you counselor thank you Nelson Vasquez subject matter after transparency

all right Nelson basketball has 210 Sunset Hill Fall River um you know when Fulmer City councilor Peckham was here I remember him saying that uh he wanted to record what was going on in one of those Opera committee meetings then it was shot down and then you you fast forward and we still don't know all the details of what's going on and since we don't really know what's going on I think it's actually quite

fitting that I think it's time that we put in an audit to know where every single dollar has gone so far because almost 70 million dollars of one-time money that we're never going to see again in in the residents of this city don't even know the full story of what's being planned and we don't even know if money that has already been allocated for whoever is even eligible for that

because Fall River doesn't want to be on on the legal end if the feds come down and decide to perform their audit into this money so I think this Council uh to do something and demand and audit into this because if Paul has nothing to hide he'll say have at it go ahead but the fact is I don't like it how meetings like that are not out in a public View

so that everyone knows what's going on I mean it's not asking for much because I'm pretty sure if you grab a city resident and ask them do you know what's going on they'll tell you hell no so I think that's what's appropriate for right now and and like I said if he has nothing to hide who'll be more than happy to say have at it and lastly I just want

to say real quick two things you know some NBTA news came down that I will bring out on a future date and you know and in regards to Durfee too he thinks no one was paying attention when he was on a school committee and again if he tries to pull a fast one the information will come out as to what needs to be appropriated for that line item because again that's a bond that

needs to be paid and we cannot shortchange that debt because I come back to bite us when he leaves office so I think when it comes to that and I'm pretty sure that information will come out if if it's not the correct appropriation check him because whatever money yes Mr President whatever money is not allocated and we owe the people need to know where that money went from fiscal year 23 and going

forward so uh thanks for your time thank you there being no more citizens of people for us now we enter Canadian Finance cocoa Colorado Mr President we are already in finance all right item number one in finance discussion we got hiring and retention of police officers you want to come down please Mr Colvin and the union Representatives that were here if they want to come down I'm assuming the council wants to go

forward with this correct yeah well I'd say go forward with it until seven o'clock and if there needs to be further discussion or if there's a motion for it to go into executive session on other issues we can then do that but at least let them speak uh until seven o'clock is there a secondary motion second all in favor aye Kansas City Council Washington I'm going to recuse myself unfortunately from this

meeting from a perceived conflict the union president is my brother so I'm just going to go in the back and I will rejoin the meeting once it's over okay Gentlemen please feel free to take a seat at the table again

the chief's not coming Chief as well yeah no everybody can come I mean we're going to work together right yes so let's all get together

I know the two individuals that are giving their name and address early could everyone else that has not given their name and I just please give your name and address for the record please exciting you Chief can you just give your name in that record sure my name is Chief Paul Galvin Edmond is Maris Jonathan Ferreira Peter delues Seth Aiken I'm the city administrator thank you may I have a flaw

one second Mr could you give your what is your title sir I'm a police officer and also the treasurer of the Fall River Police Association thank you because in seat six Council prayer Okay the reason that I file this resolution was as many of you know with all my years at DCF and my years at the District Attorney's office I know a multitude of the police officers and I find that in Fall River we have some

great police offices and I know that around the country New York Police Department lost over 1200 offices some locations are giving ten thousand and twenty thousand dollars sign-in bonuses Fort Worth Texas has a commercial on TV to be honest with you Google it is like a used car salesman showing the four different Vehicles they have and if you work for them you could drive all these

vehicles Etc but the number one reason for all of the officers who are either switching to a new career or changing to a different department is because they felt unsupported by the community or the department and that one hit me the most because as one of nine City councils here I have worked with various police officers doing really tough things and I had nothing but great service from the

men and women of this department and I want to make sure that they know that I do support our Police Department and I just want to know what can we do to retain police offices you know are we doing exit interviews maybe it's cheap yes I've done several uh over the last uh six months and who does the interview I do the you do the interview yes correct just a suggestion would it be better

that Nick who works here in City Hall as human resource person do an exit interview because honestly if I was leaving the department if I was a police officer leaving the department and I had to go and talk to you about why I was leaving I don't know if I tell you the truth I don't know if you'd get a fair game I kind of have a little bit of an issue

with a police officer sitting in front of me not being able to tell the truth I understand like it might be a lot intimidating the truth but it might be a little bit but it might be a little bit intimidating yeah but at the same point uh you know we're having a very candid conversation about why they're leaving I explained to them very very calmly that the reason there is so that I can

understand why they're leaving that's I'm looking to help people stay unfortunately they're leaving I hate to lose someone but if I can use this so that I can prevent somebody else from leaving maybe somebody having a better experience here that's what we're there for maybe then you could speak to Nito the chief or your boss why and I know that there's a Brotherhood or Sisterhood about police officers so

you're a chief in this city and then there are Chiefs in other cities and you know you don't want you don't want that going together well you know he said this about you this one said that and I would really didn't want to tell you the truth I didn't feel that I could get a promotion here that maybe it is intimidating you know for somebody to tell you or any other Chief just a suggestion

for the ones that I have done just so you're aware that ones that I have done I think people were honest with me you think so I do I think maybe maybe they don't want to tell me some or all of it but I think everyone hid about all the issues that they had as to why they were leaving now when a police officer transfers or if one let's say that a police

officer is going from the police department in Fall River to the fire department in Fall River they're probably not going to take out their retirement money more than likely they'll keep it there but we still have to pay them the sick time vacation time um any comp time that they have on the books correct some of that some of that if I'm accurate right if they have some time left over there's

some time that they if they're leaving they I don't believe their administrative comp time gets paid out How about if they're leaving let's say somebody goes from Fall River to Somerset or forward to Portsmouth what money would follow that officer what would they get paid for he or she get paid for on the way out isn't it sick vacation income no sick time uh vacation and Casual time

they get paid vacation gets prorated for where they are in the year for the year so how much is your budget being impacted by I mean how many officers you've had leave a dozen well I'll tell you right now based on where we are on the budget right now last year we uh we were uh in the red about uh this time of the year about five percent uh total budget uh that's including our Personnel uh

this year I believe we're the opposite sideway I think we're right about even a budget so we're in really good shape where we are budget wise now the um we have somebody that works with DEA in in the department still we did correct we did Mr Damaris right here he did work there but he's not there now correct but we get forfeiture money so if we don't have somebody there we're not

going to get the forfeiture money am I right or am I wrong no you're right we once we're not there we don't get any forfeiture money from the DEA that's correct but we still but we still get forfeiture money from our vice and intelligence unit but not from De Vice and intelligence I wouldn't normally interrupt us since we put a time limit on this yeah to seven o'clock can we just I don't know

how this pertains to Staffing and retention so if we could just because I'm looking at money like if we're going to retain people and there's extra money here that we're getting in if we're paying people counselor if I could if I could help you with one thing here sure probably something really unique from my position at this time right now as a police chief here in Fall River and I've

had this discussion just recently with uh former Chief Jack Souza during those periods of the previous probably four or five Chiefs they've had thousands of bodies they've had people on waiting lists the issue was with budget and money I'm probably the first Chief you're going to see that has the opposite problem is that I have open positions I have the budget you people have supported us you've supported the police

department with your budget allocation uh from the mayor's office we have the money to hire people it's something on the other side of it it's the bodies we need to hire more do we have people on the list that are ready to come forward to be hired well funny you say that uh this Saturday and one of the reasons why I was hoping that we would postpone this because I'll have

a better picture for you uh after this week because Saturday uh currently right now there's an academy that we're looking at in Plymouth that Academy is in the first week of February uh currently right now we have 12 candidates taking that physical assessment test two candidates on top of that 12 are transferring in from other departments from Rhode Island and we have one other additional so

that'd be 15 total there's one additional employee who's going to patch over from the environmental side so that's 15 that's going to cut our deficit in half if all of them make it through now additionally with that we have another 15 that we're queuing up hopefully to get into the next Academy which we don't know if it's going to be in six weeks or if it's going to be I believe it's in Randolph in April so

it's one of these things that's about bodies good candidates seats at the Academy we've discussed this you know previous budget discussions but all those things come into play for rectifying this issue now I know you also asked about a particular issue a particular individual on the list that you that you've asked about uh he's second from the bottom but he probably will come into play the second time we

go through background checks good because he's trained and ready to go and unfortunately because of an ill mother he had to move out of Fall River so it's good to get people back Council can I just address I'm going to can I address some of that uh Council Kadeem asked uh the way that this fits with retention issues is uh detective Damaris now also Damaris was pulled from a DEA assignment

which I suggest to get into that is you're going to have to go into executive session to actually understand what it was that officer Damaris was doing the problem is because of retention problems patrolmen with some with you know very few years on the job we're now pulling Detectives cover uh people in uniform division that's how it's affecting that that's why that's a legit issue yeah I'm just

listening I'm just a finance guy so I like the bottom line up front so I'd like to hear whether or not we have staffing issues or retention issues before we start getting into well we do I'm I'm 10 minutes in and I haven't heard anything that we have staffing issues or so would you like to hear the number so no that's what that's what I want to hear so that's what

hold on can I just can I just say this um the only reason I asked about the forfeiture because I know how much the District Attorney's office would get on forfeitures and I'd like to see us get that because we could use it however out of respect to all of my colleagues I believe that this will probably go into executive session on another night but I would like to yield to give the

opportunity we said it would go to seven give the opportunity without a yield thank you and if I made concert because you mentioned about asset forfeiture I believe in asset forfeiture and I wish we had more but with that I also have to I have to run the store okay and there's priorities of when I move people out of uh places in particular we're hoping that this was going to be a temporary issue I'm not

quite sure how it made it to this level because we even told the union and we told detective uh Damaris that we're looking for two months is going to be temporary now do the numbers play I don't know will it be longer maybe it'll be longer I don't know but that's that's where we are team Okay so Staffing levels do we have an issue with Staffing levels do we have issues with retention I guess can we

stop there we have we are you asking a particular individual are you asking the chief I was asking the chief and then I'm sorry sure we've had this discussion going back to uh in the budget discussions right we talked about the lack of Manpower the issues that we've had with uh hiring uh candidates numbers of seats the numbers of academies these are all things that are in constant

playing we're constantly trying to uh work out so in terms of and I guess just to make sure we're we're staying on our side of of the house right so we're a legislative body so we we we essentially just deal with Appropriations right so we don't we don't dictate to the chief or the administration on how the operations of the police department going to take place but what we are concerned about is whether or not you

have enough funding right and that's why we have those conversations during during the budget time so can you tell us where we are from an optimal I guess Staffing levels and where we currently are and then how many uh I guess vacancies you have are open positions that you look that you need to have filled right now I believe uh forgive me I've been on vacation this week um I believe we're about 25 short

vacancies correct and not so we haven't done any of the hiring process or not in the academy nothing just that's counting the eight that just came out of the Academy I just graduated on the 23rd May interrupt 25 shot from what what year I I can't tell you which year and how it rolled into but we've been going back and forth with this number but 25 short on the FY 23 budget right you've

captured all those budgeted lines we have 25 of them we have 25 open budgeted positions right now in the budget yeah yeah and then so that includes eight that are coming out of the academy so then they got to go to field training which is what 12 weeks correct correct from Academy through fto it's approximately it's almost I always think that it's like having a baby it's about nine months before they're on their own

doing single Service uh it's a 22-week Academy and uh you know five months so about five plus months in the academy then another three months for fto so I and I recognize the burnout rate right because I think burnout is is a legitimate thing right so I I just from from a city council standpoint if we were to throw money at this it doesn't it doesn't rectify the problem in terms

of trying to hire people and get people in these positions right because this is obviously you've got an issue unless you tell me something different of hiring people correct and I think Sony had mentioned it earlier I mentioned that the meeting that I was at for the budget and I'm not quite sure who had the question but I believe I told somebody uh they talked we were talking about uh money one of

the councils asked me about money and I said Council you can give me two million dollars I need bodies and that's the problem that we're at we're just looking to hire more bodies so can you just talk a little bit about the uh so the Civil Service and maybe it was just the promotional exam there was an issue with the civil service right where they stopped given the test for civil service has that been rectified is

that just for a promotional exam or is that all of just promotional promotion okay so that's not gonna so just just so just so we know that um our ability to promote and use the civil service system is connected to a bargaining issue so I'm going to stop and say that we probably shouldn't talk about yeah no I was just I was more in line of not the promotional aspects but

just seeing if it was creating issues for hiring folks I'm not I'm not part of a civil service community so we don't have to worry about Civil Service I just know that there was an issue going on with civil service the issue the issue with civil service was that there were several tests uh and this goes back to I believe it was a 1999 case it was two firefighters I believe

it was either Malden or Boston or someone North North Shore and they made an allegation that the testing that was done by civil service for promotions was uh discriminatory and the courts finally came back just recently uh after all these years and said it was and they basically did not give a test this year because of this issue with civil service testing um that case is still being litigated or

the ramifications are still being litigated uh up at the State House so Chief through you are even the administrator in terms of the 25 so if if we were able to fill those 25 vacancies does that give you the Staffing levels that you feel you need to operate the police department optimal so it's never it's it's a it's a it's a river it's constantly moving you can never think of of us as stagnant numbers

if they give you 25 because we have 25 openings but within that 25 openings I probably have about eight or nine more officers who could retire tomorrow if they chose to do so I don't think they will but they could so you have to keep that in play and then on top of that I may have about four or five more that some may be injured some be maybe in a what we call

a retirement track uh we know that you know they're still on the books for a certain period of time but I know they're going to retire so that number is is going to be a little bit fluid over over the course of the next year I was going to get to for safety purposes though what really comes down to is how many men do we have in the street and that's where that's really

your base Bottom Dollar number and we're low we're our numbers are lower than than they have been in the past or at the same level that they really passed consecuting Faith to add to that that flow that we talked about that's that's forever that's as long as long as police has been in existence the hiring process retirements resignations well let's just look at the last year alone last year alone our numbers uh uh

our Ross though went from 173 uh patrolmen in January down to 163 in June we lost 10 just the next six month period in February of 2021 Chief Cardoza went public and it's Google it's the chief Cardoza uh spoke about the issues we're seeing in hiring so the hiring issues have been here they've been here for at least two years so that's not a learning point that's not something that

just creeped up on is we've been dealing with that I should have been dealing with that for the past two years now we're running into a retention issue because just in this last year alone to today we want to talk about usable police officers we're down to a net of 145 police officers on the street being able to work we have a 158 eight of them in the academy uh just graduated they're

going to be an in-service you have a full on leave time planning to retire they use in their accrue time to retire you have five on extended uh sick leave through injury or personal injuries and then you have two on admin leave you want to break that down that's 145 patrolmen to rely on to service all functions of the police department detective services Special Operations school resource Housing Authority Patrol

that's where we're at this didn't just creep up on us so in June to we were told that there is no crisis where fine Staffing levels are great and if people want to leave let them leave well here we are six months later and we're in a crisis we we need this we need it fixed so do you have you have any recommendations in terms of how to attract individuals to

uh the city of Far River or yes well you you just made a comment about it's not something we can just throw money at yes and no I know you're budgeting and and that's great but there are if you look around some um Council uh councilwoman Pereira said this is happening all over the country so we look all over the country and we look to see who's doing retention programs many of the big departments

have figured out we need to somehow do a retention program and the number one thing is the is is financial that's the biggest thing and that's also how the uh the city would prove it respects our department how hard are we willing to work to keep our guys are we talking to the guys what is it that they want so those those retention programs are out there those programs for new hires

are out there they're all over the place uh the the the the chief uh we've spoken before about uh with the mayor about a program for the new hires it's an incredible program that I wish it was happening 18 years ago when I started but it's a great program and that's not a violation because it's a new hire it's a way to get them in the door and it is a way to throw it's it's basically

throwing money at the issue but it's going to help get guys into the into the building so then we say okay once they're in the building how do we keep them in the building well it's this almost the same practice retention there's there's many ways to do it we in in an executive session so everybody can speak a little bit more freely we have ideas of how we can use those

uh those issues and those ways of doing it and however you want to phrase it throwing money at it or investing in your police department and in public safety it's the number one way of doing that so how many how many um how many resignations did we have did you say uh for this fiscal year we'll have to add the one that just occurred while we're at this meeting yeah somebody turn in their resignation

tonight so how many since since it's like this fiscal year uh so this June since July July 1st I have listed we have a total of full of retirements and resignations just leaving uh no you want resignation it's not really retention so I'm just trying to get to the there's there's early retirements is another attention problem is you have guys that would normally stay for the 32 we now have

guys with 29 30 years on them but no I'm pulling around I'm looking if we're going to talk for attention I'm really trying to figure out how many people are actually leaving to go to another department but we have six resignations for other agencies yeah and very local um very local agencies like neighboring communities right um that have left since since the fiscal year um in February of this year the city

received Federal funding for hiring and retention 450 000 this uh this month in December they just received another 550 000 from the state for hiring and retention you say chicken head Chief I mean if I'm wrong please correct me you're wrong sir okay so so we did in fact receive 500 000 for hiring and retention and I think what many of you councils are going to uh understand this because I know you dealt with this

during difficult times when we put in for this money we have to specifically State what the money's for okay whether we're hiring for overtime or whether we're using it for salaries okay we don't put in for salaries anymore because if you remember back when we had a bunch of gentlemen laid off it's because a lot of people were on grants and were on salary so what happens if this money is not guaranteed

and God forbid um you know there's some people who are elected officials who are on uh the Ways and Means Committee if they lose their position at some point we may not get that money in the future so what happens if we don't lose that money we won't lose the positions so I'll go back to what I was saying I'm not done yet I appreciate it hold on one

second so but I want to talk about it excuse me excuse me excuse me thank you so it's about some strategy about when we're applying for this money it can be used for retention to pay for salaries it can't be used for you know to give money for incentives or benefits at this point from my knowledge but right now the money that we were earmarked was specific for overtime occurrence

okay so as I was saying the um the chief indicator was wrong that the funding that came through is able to be utilized for hiring purposes how that money is utilized for hiring whether it's an incentive or to pay for costs associated with that hiring because right now we have uh potential candidates in this city that if they want to come on this police department they have to pay for

the uh entrance exam Civil Service 150 they have to pay for physical agilities test they'll have to pay for psychological exams they'll have to pay for khaki uniforms go to the academy I'll have to pay for uniforms go to the academy it costs roughly about nine thousand dollars out of a potential candidate's pocket to become a police officer that is where that money can potentially be spent is on that

equipment to cover the ex the cost of that to get people to come on when I came over from I came over from the sheriff's department 15 years ago I got a severance package uh leaving that department of ten thousand dollars I spent nine thousand of that to take this job paying for all the equipment paying for the Academy because we the city pays for the Academy upfront but the candidates pay it back to the city

covering those costs is an incentive that's a hiring incentive so when we say Throw money at it that is what we mean by throw money at it yeah cover some of those expenses and you're gonna you're gonna get a lot of people who are in a tough financial situation but are going to be great police officers because they grew up in the city they'll apply for the job because they they know they

won't have to come up with that much money that's a hiring incentive retention we can talk about that at a later time because that I think is executive session I think that is getting into Muddy Waters as far as our mou I don't want to discuss that but as far as hiring and the hiring issue has been around since we know for the last couple years yeah listen if that that's

one of the suggestions that come forward from from the administration to look for some additional funding for that then I'm all in favor of that right because I think we've got to be competitive we're trying to get folks to to get their foot in the door because they're looking elsewhere there are other communities doing it which I don't always agree with right I don't I don't agree with the

signing bonuses and things of that nature so I personally wouldn't support that but if you're telling me you know putting some money for expenses that are associated with going through the academy and things of that nature then then I can support that if it's a one-time you know payment and we can we can fund that so you know those are those are good conversations uh in terms of the hiring in terms of the retention

Chief you you talked about doing the exit interviews and this will be my last question so my other colleagues can uh ask some questions but is there any were there any topics that um you think are important to be shared with the city council that we can address as a legislative body to to help retain to be honest with you the the reasons were varied across the board um

there were so some uh I think one person had mentioned uh they were going to make a bit more money uh and they were going to do less work they were going to take less calls it was a quieter Community one person uh had mentioned off the top of my head that uh there would be a promise that they were going to be a hostage negotiator and this person had

maybe just a year on the job that's what they were being promised and they also felt that in Fall River we do Urban policing and we're tied to 9-1-1 system that go go that they wanted to have more time to have an impact with uh people in the community when they go on calls so it's kind of been a little bit of a little bit of a smorgish spot if you will okay

yeah just um so we don't have as a union we don't have exit interviews but we are certainly talking to our guys when they leave and I understand where y'all coming from with the exit interviews having somebody else do it I also understand the chief's concerned about having somebody else do it but overwhelmingly when our guys have left it's been for financial reasons and I understand maybe they don't want to

speak to the chief or or they're going to another department they're concerned that something's going to be said if they leave and say something off color which I don't believe the chief would do I don't think he's going to call the other department and say that guy just swapped me on his way out the door I don't think it's gonna happen but I believe there's reasons why guys aren't going to be 100 honest and it's

been overwhelmingly Financial there's uh councilman Kadeem said exactly we are not close to competitive with police departments all size thank you just can I just ask one okay I just wanted a clarification that's fine just a clarification do you want I the clarification I had when you said that there was 145 offices that's detectives this that how many of those 145 Street on the street ground for a

second third shift offices so those are all the children that are filling all all of the positions that that's filling uh detective positions patrolman positions school resource offices housing unit that's covering all that somebody patrolmen we have that is not counting uh the uh supervisors who have supervisors no I just thought 145 I just wondered how many if you're not a detective or you're not a an SRO how

many uniforms on the street in a car so I don't have that specific number for uniform division total but you it's it's going to be roughly about 75 to 80 of those in uniform division okay that's the only question that I have because I know people are uh called in overtime or whatever and they need to decompress to go back out again and that's that's a concern and that also right what you're

saying is because of their attention issues the amount of not necessarily overtime but the forcing in is is probably the second biggest issue is our officers most of our officers in uniform division haven't seen two days off in a row all year long because they're getting forced in at an astronomical rate so they're getting burnt out as councilman Kadeem said it's it's it's true it's the numbers are so drastically low

um which goes towards retention which is it's a burnout period for patrol for the uniform division specifically I I want to constant C2 comes a deal yes I want to direct that um our city administrator so Opera funding the city was given uh 10 million dollars for hiring retention I can't think of the exact name of the category um it was 10 million dollars we still have eight million dollars in that fund

uh or that portion of it you know what I'm doing with the Lost Revenue counselor the Lost yeah I believe so the Lost Revenue right so can't some of that are couldn't some of that Opera funding be used for for what they're talking about to pay that nine thousand dollars because you're you're we've lost people so now you're rehiring isn't that specifically what some of that money was meant for

so uh and hopefully the rest of the folks at the table will bear me out on this for the last couple of weeks even months there has been an ongoing conversation about that nine to ten thousand dollar chunk uh that every new recruit would be responsible for uh and if there's a way we can cover that uh start it off as almost like a loan uh and maybe if there's you know a

commitment of a couple years serving the city of Fall River it then becomes a grant it's forgiven there's a number of ways to do it and that's just one idea that's been floated would you all agree that we have been talking about this right yes all right um I just you know I want to at least make sure you know that we're thinking about these things and that the chief

has been has been working well with the union and we've been trying to to come up with some solutions uh certainly uh the last Revenue could be a way to do that because as you know no other arpa funds can be used for actually salaries or those sort of things right um there's not only that money but there's there's certainly other ways we can look at paying for that but I will

say it's a priority right now it to me seems to be the the low-hanging fruit of this problem uh it's something that we can address in a fairly immediate way and I think it would make an impact um and I mean I do agree with the fact that if the city makes the commitment and pays that money for new recruits so that they don't have to bear that expense that there should be a

commitment on the part of the recruit as well I mean you don't pay for the you know put out nine thousand dollars and then in nine months they walk out the door and go somewhere else so I absolutely would agree with that whether it be two three years even I mean we have till 2026 to expend those funds so you could put a three-year time uh line on it and and still be within the um

parameters of how that money is to be spent certainly and uh that seems like that would work well that's basically what that money was intended for exactly I think it could have a great impact for perhaps one of the most important issues we have facing Us in the city and it doesn't affect anybody's budget it doesn't affect the general budget it doesn't affect the chief's budget it's available funds that

we can put to good use so part of the issue is is that's great we got him in the door so now we don't have to deal with the retention issue because those offices that I resent we're losing great offices and and again uh councilwoman Pereira said it our office is great we have we I we you know being part of the Union in part of the SWAT

team we go out all the time we talk to other departments I'm confident we have the best offices around we really do and the fact that we're the fact that we're losing them at such rate is heartbreaking we have the best they're sitting here right here that's the support we get these our guys are showing up on our own time to prove to this a big issue we have the best offices the best trained ones

and they're going to somebody else's Department they're taking all the good training here all everything good they learn and they bring it to another department good for that department not so good so now we have to uh when a guy leaves at five years it's all that experience all that knowledge the the amount of time as the chief said not just nine months the experience that that officer hopefully gets the same as

that other guy these are great officers that are leaving okay I just want to make that clear all right at least if you start with getting him in the door get him in the door so it's not a burden to them and then you've got a three equipment where you can work on the retention you've got to keep the ones that are here and that's what we're seeing we worked with the chief uh in

the mayor and that sounds hopefully this this program comes through but it's the guys that are here now we need to keep we need to retain these I agree I think every city I just want to point out something excuse me one second counselor we are now approaching the seven o'clock time of limited Council Dion finished her questioning but when she's done we're probably gonna have to make a

motion tell you to do something with this because we said we'll do it till seven o'clock come to the end please continue no I was only going to finish with you I mean you can't be constantly backfilling backfilling backfilling because it's like treading water and never making it to the shore um I mean you're right you have to work on attention an issue for who's here maybe we can use those funds to get the

new ones in the door you get the three-year commitment you'll use the retention program for those people and hopefully we can build up your numbers I mean Public Safety is number one if you because it's not just it's not just the citizens you as an officer also need to be safe on the street and if you don't have enough offices to back you up you're at risk I I think a good thing

that will help retention right now at this time as well a major thing is uh the men and women of this department film as though they have the backing of their Chief the men and women in this department don't need the chief on public media uh calling his Department lazy and he did that very recently on Mark Dion's interview um and that's an impact to the morale and the working conditions we can't have that

um it's it's out in the Public Public heard it um he said he uh inherited a culture of natural soldiering and he defined that as lazy police officers that affects retention hugely can I address that if I may I did use the term natural soldering and I said it was about a few police officers I cleared that up with Council I'm sorry with Union president Jonathan Ferrara who when I explained to

it agreed agreed that some of the changes that I had to make had to get made okay so I know it upset some people that I use certain language to describe their work Behavior but if you're out there every day and you're on the line and you're giving it what you what it what you have then you know I'm not talking about you you know I'm not talking about you it's

the other guy who you look at the numbers and you say there's no numbers here why are there no numbers here why are there no arrests why are there no citations I have to call it the way it is that's unfortunate that's the management position that I'm in I don't have the luxury of looking for a vote and pandering to police officers for votes for unions I'm here for the business not to get the business

so I I just want to I definitely agree with me and the chief that speak about that um and he did say it was he did say he was only talking about a few I'm not agreeing that that term natural soldiering was ever the term it's used I'm not pandering to a union body I I don't think there's any type of cowardice or laziness uh I the chief did

clear that up with me but I I don't agree to that term whatsoever as I said again I think we have the best police department around and outstand I'll go to any call with any of those guys that are sitting up there or in that building anytime I think everyone else really agrees with you so yeah and I think and I think really what we need to do is focus and stick to

the point and the retention the hiring keeping everybody on track and keeping everybody safe and I think we'll do a lot better that way because otherwise we just everybody's just going to end up at everybody's throats and it's not going to work out well um with that I yield thank you thank you Council I would just say that at this moment we did say it was going to go until seven o'clock but I would say that

if this is tables that when we come back to this issue I agree with counselor and seat number one and seat number four that perhaps it should be executive session because there's other issues that I truly feel should be addressed better because we want to be able to show the police department that we are here to support you we do have your back and I agree with you um Mr Ferreira we do have a dawn good

police office uh in Fall River we've got great patrolmen like I said I've worked with many of them in rough situations so you know you have our back if there's other issues that are going on when you talk about money every single person that works in City Hall wants more money and every single person that works in in this city deserves more money but there's only so much money that the city has and I would

also give kudos for our state delegation for you and the state senator for getting all that money down so sometimes people don't think the state works or Senator rodericks works for us we got more money than any other community so a shout out to them Mr President I make a motion that we table and then you make a decision of executive session with that I just put in a request so if we're going to table

this to another meeting can I just ask that recommendations be brought forth so that at least we're not just talking about this that we have recommendations from either the police Union and the administration as to how they would like to see some of these items addressed in terms of retention and Staffing levels just just so that we're not going on and on and on without any real options

motion to table has been made is there a second second all in favor aye goes to this table thank you very much gentlemen thank you gentlemen all of you for coming in and thank you all for coming what um Finance hasn't made in a second second all in favor aye Finance now agenda regular city council meeting will begin in five minutes the Radio City Council please come to order clerk will call the roll the council yeah

Liberty yeah pellets here yeah Carrera here proposal Washington yeah present Camara here Carol moment of Silent prayer please keep in mind we just found out that former DPW director Ryan has passed um and also Mr Nero Ferris uh two great men that served this community for a long long time in many different capacities

please remain standing for the flag pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit this meeting to any medium attendees are therefore advised that

such recordings or Transmissions are being made or the perceived aren't perceived by those present and not deemed acknowledged and permissible Adam Clark who's the president of the first item is a communication from the mayor and an amended loan order for 2.7 million dollars for the construction and renovation of buildings to be used initially by the EMS Department required motion to be published again

what might be published and referred to communion Finance would be a pro promotion please so made by Council Kilby is there a second second second by Council predator on Taylor aye any opposed motion codes the next item is also communication from the mayor and the arpa director regarding the youth initiative funding through the city's arpa funds instead of the Bristol County arpa funding

it's accepting Place uh place on file mass communication approved the request is that the motion you want to make counselor please motion made by Council Kilby seconded by Council Washington all in favor aye any opposed motion carries we have amendments to traffic ordinances from the traffic Commission motion to refer to refer to the committee on ordinance and legislation second motion for the committee

notifications seconded by Council reposo all in favor aye any opposed or encounters we have an order for the Billiards license for Bob's Place LLC DBA Straight Shooters Billiards and 30 Front Street motion to drop a motion to adapt has been made by Council C2 Council dear and seconded by accountancy six Council per hour all in favor aye any opposed motion carries have a number of auto repair shop

license renewals motion to approve motion to adapt your auto repair licenses has been made by Council proposal seconded by Council Pelletier on favor aye any opposed motion counties Mr President with your permission if I could just list the businesses please LLC located at 1139 Slate Street Thomas a legalt DBA Tom legalz Auto Repair located at 745 Brighton Avenue and Everett J Mello DBA Dave's tire and auto

service located at 325 Bedford Street foreign number six the next item is an auto repair shop license transfer for um DBA 8 ounce auto repair company Inc the license is being transferred to Mario lorero DBA Mario's Auto Repair and Sales Inc and it's at 8 30 Globe Street the motion to that Is Your Love I don't believe there's any restrictions a lot for about four guys and they're already complaining about cars being

back there there are no listed restrictions don't we usually put restrictions on Nanos but the licenses for them some go for 10 20 and all that stuff this guy's got none he made for the auto sales portion of it but not for the repairs sales this is only for repair yeah okay we pay in sales again so you've got a license to sell he may have a license that's through the licensing board it doesn't come before

the council for approval all right are you thank you guys accountancy six counts I've heard some complaints too that even though it's for repair you'll have eight people drop off cars in the morning that need to be repaired and there's no place for them to park so they park in the street I I don't feel comfortable voting on this until we find out you know what do you want to refer him to a community council

yeah I think I refer to regulations second most regulations made by constant seat six counts prior second by counter C1 consequent team all in favor aye any opposed motions refer to community regulations the next item is the police chief's report on licenses Mr President just as information for the Council of the two taxi license applications that are listed on the agenda agenda for Mr Mohammed shabbir

were disapproved by the police chief so should we separate him from these other two licenses you can I'll make a motion to separate them also separators were made in second all in favor would you like to take the first want to read the names of all men talk the first one um Peter had that so the uh cab drivers 2013 taxicab drivers Peter G Haddad Laura Rodriguez and Vicki yamileth Rosario Rodriguez so

take them three is there a motion motion motion to adopt those three made by counselor C2 come to the other side of accounting C6 counts per hour all in favor aye any opposed motion carries what's the will of the council to do with the other one you want is motion to deny motion deny me by counselor second six cards prayer second by counting C1 all in favor aye any opposed motion carries

do you have a number of claims motion refer to Corporation Council most refer to corporations all in favor aye any opposed Roger carries you have some minutes from the zoning board of appeals for November 17 2022.

except the motion accept and play something motion acceptance all in favor aye any opposed motion carries next item are planning board minutes for November 9th 2022.

yeah place on file motion acceptance file hasn't made and seconded all in favor any opposed motion carries we have committee on finance minutes for the city council for December 13 2022.

did you do it that place there's two correct I know okay motion of community and finances is a second motion to approve as we made and seconded all in favor aye any opposed motion carries we also have minutes for the city council regular meeting for the meeting held on December 13 2022.

motion to approve will be appropriate motion approved in favor any opposed motions approved and the last item is a communication from the Department of utilities regarding a petition uh from National Grid for approval of an alternative basic service procurement and pricing plan with a common period deadline of January 6 2023 at 5 pm motion to accept and place on file second motion second place I file hasn't

made and seconded all in favor aye he posed motion carries second motion to agenda has been made and seconded all in favor aye is there anyone opposed who is now adjourned have a happy New Year everyone please be careful