12.9.2024 Fall River School Committee - Special Meeting

like to call to order special meeting of the forest school committee for Monday November 9th de please call the roll Mr Mr Bailey Mr Dar here Mr Cory here M ly here Pera May flag to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for

all pursuant of the open meeting law any person making audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any media attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether received or un receiv by those present and are themed acknowledged and permissible any citizens input for this thank you okay so we're going to do this on the school

year 225 goal setting facilitate facilitated by Dr Trac cly superintendent go ahead Mr chairman may I have a question clarification Mr uh Agia this is the goal setting meeting but has nothing to do with the evaluation correct is that what they agreed upon like so I believe so yes that's so if this is basically like the same goal setting of every the past several years right I think what we

would have done in August potentially and I think we will do du next August this is the goal setting for this current school year 242 it's not like scaled down because of the evaluation to totally separate thing no thank you I Y okay so um what what I offered here are um three goals that are meant to um serve as a starting point for the goal setting process we I'm participating in

new superintendent induction program and they utilize the U Department of aded uh Department of Elementary and secondary aded structure for the goal setting process and these are three goals that are recommended by um by the department and through the new superintendent induction program so I used um generally generally used the three goals that were there they were tweaked a little bit for um the purpose

of you know some things that are specific to the district but generally speaking these are the suggested goals for new superintendents across the state so goal one is effective entry and directing setting by late spring the district will gain broad recognition from Key stakeholder groups about its most critical needs with a clear process underway to identify strategies and goals that effectively address those

needs and key actions include that by early spring I would complete and present a report of Entry findings synthesizing evidence collected in outlining strengths critical Improvement areas and next steps by mid August uh I would present a draft strategic plan to the school committee that considers data and findings from the report of the entry findings the air comprehensive District review and and the Colin Center

review of the human resources and facilities and operations departments there are benchmarks along the way which would include some presentations um completed on a schedule and we could determine a schedule some strategy um development process launched which would happen um you know in the spring and then uh results we' considered the results of spring survey of key um leaders including administrators teacher

leaders school committee union leaders demonstrating awareness and engagement in the entry process and confidence that the entry a report of Entry findings captures important insights about the state of the district and issues that require attention the second goal is centered on maintaining momentum during the transition specifically ensuring that the district continues to progress during leadership transition by

collaborating with principls and District leaders to make meaningful advancements on essential district and school goals so this is one that's really focused on yes as um you know throughout the entry plan learning you know continuing to learn about the district in all it all of its departments but making sure through goal two that we don't lose sight of um our instructional priorities and the goals set there

so the first key action would be regular participation in meetings of the district instructional leadership team including um the meetings that they have and learning walks by April 1st completing formative evaluation conferences with each principal and District administrator by late spring conducting at least three School visits at each school and by June 30th analyzing goal process a progress and

completing some of evaluation reports for all supervises benchmarks would include completed educator evaluation plans and a log or notes demonstrating at least three visits per school so I be sharing that with you and then the final goal is around my professional practice development through the induction program with the new superintendent's induction program so enhancing skills in

strategy development data analysis and instructional leadership by actively participating in the new superintendent induction program throughout the year key actions would include attending the sessions completing the assignments and meeting with my assigned coach at least monthly with Benchmark progress um by calendaring documents um but showing that my calendar documents attendance and contact with my coach in

verification from n itself that I actively engaged in the first year program anybody have any questions I do Mr Das then Mr Cory thank you um I'll start off with doing um this is my first um goal setting um reading goal setting so I'd love to hear this is like up to par and like what others look like in the past but a few questions i' like to start off with is the induction program

um what's the cost of the district I want to say it cost maybe about $4,000 or something I I don't remember I st in my head and um I need the first superintendent within this District that you know of to um be a part of this program no I believe superintendent p particip I ated for two years maybe her first two years it's a three-year program okay so I would intend to

participate and you're finish up the final year I'm finishing up the first year the first year you you plan on being in for three years okay and um just want to speak a little bit about goal one and as you're well aware at this point um is and I'm sure we'll talk about it more as a full committee at the meeting today the um col Center review um again I'm of the

opinion we need to go a step further especially with facilities and operations department and go with a full audit um and not just go with the review there's obviously a lot of um issues and concerns that you know make an audit well recommended and hopefully we go forward with that um and I'd like to see that the goal setting and hopefully committee supports that as well I'll yield that this time other colleages Mr

Cory so yes Madam superintendent my question was involved in gold two which says by April 1st to complete the formative evaluation conferences uh with each principal and District administrator and is that for uh strategy purposes for the uh next school year beginning in September because formative reviews it's already Springtime we're heading into the last semester so where yeah where things get

confusing with some of the with principles specifically is that their evaluation process runs similarly to the superintendent and that we do wait um on until fall because we wait on those mcast results to complete their evaluations so they start their goal setting but then we're doing the evaluations and so April would really be the time that is pretty much the Midway point for them and then we would

continue it it does get a little bit tricky because of the timing so my my my biggest concern is like when a new school year starts in September you know to to have strategies in place so that we can hit the road run in September that's what I'm that's all I'm at that so what happens is before we leave um so in the springtime we also use we take the opportunity at the district level to

do planning around instructional priorities and then we introduce those to principles principles take those instructional priorities and they are developing their school year plans based on those that starts for them in the late spring and through the summer with a goal on having something in place when school starts good thank you I yield mik I have a question the three School visits M do

you go alone who who do you take with you and what are you looking for I think this will be mixed I mean when so I I might go alone and just walk with the principal we're also conducting larger scale um I don't want to call them events because we tried to make them pretty uneventful but with the district ilt so I will go with assistant superintendent principals we all visit a

school go um we look at classrooms we examine student work and then the school principal gets feedback so I would include those as well as any other visits that I do to schools is in in your evaluation that principle also much right and so I don't evaluate every principal but we do use sure so it's strictly not just instruction these are not the it's classroom management it's everything that they're benchmarks as

well so so when we do the district ilt walks we use a very specific rub R rubric um we have our you know we we conduct our observations the same at every school we format that that meeting the debrief afterward in the same way to give feedback to the school we have a looking at student work protocol in which we engage so it is so that that piece of it is

uniform that piece of it is uniform and I I would say I don't want to give the impression so we I I don't want principles to get the impression that those are evaluative there those kinds of walks are actually supportive of the school it gives us an it gives the district an eye on you know looking at across schools what's happening it gives other principles an opportunity to see practices in schools and give feedback

and then as a principal um posting the walk you you get the feedback so it's it's very collaborative it's very you know it informs everybody for different reasons and I think everybody takes something out of it but that in particular I wouldn't use for evaluation purposes okay yeah is is there anything that's going to be changed from the former Administration to your Administration as far as this this portion of your

goals um I I would think that I don't recall the last goals in particular but I would think that these are pretty standard in terms of making sure that we're giving feedback and that we're monitoring feedback to you know supporting principles to make sure that they're doing their unannounced evaluations they're doing um they're offering the feedback in a timely fashion so that we're supporting

teachers good I took your time for Mr here so uh one of my questions you just answered and I'm trying to figure out what this actually is so one of my questions was did this the prior superintendent goals last two let's say did that drive any of this document and based on your answer I'm assuming you didn't look at it to know no I mean I I've been here I don't

remember exactly whether or not the key actions in goal two that we're talking about were key actions in that I think that previously my understanding my knowledge of the goal setting was that there were goals asso associated with every single Department we did instructional goals there were goals around facilities and operations there were goals for human resources there were all of those things

and what has been suggested to me and I obviously um I subscribe to it is that this isn't going to be a year where my where I'm going to be judged on how well other departments are running per se because they've been running the way they've been running um for you know many years good bad what whatever it is and I wouldn't be able to take credit for that and I wouldn't be able to be

slammed for that for lack of a better word because I'm new to the position and this is an opportunity as reflected in goal one um and in goal two to kind of maintain during the transition make sure the work continues take an opportunity to take a step back evaluate see what we see because this year should result in uh an improvement plan for the district so I would have to tend to disagree with

some of what you just said so when you when I look back having sat here for the last two goal setting sessions this is nothing like what we had before so there was actual goals there was Data there was information there was um measurable attendance goals there was measurable uh achievement goals um this is sort of like a generic like okay this is kind of the things that every superintendent would do like

you said you're you're a superintendent in Newton or Lexington this committee or whatever the place is is going to recommend these type of goal one goal two goal three like you said this is Fall River with a totally different set of needs with a totally different trajectory where we're at and quite honestly I don't think this meets the standards of what I was considering so maybe there's another goal coming or

some kind of I don't know that's why I asked the first question like what is the point of this because I for one I'm not going to vote to approve goals that don't have any data in it they don't have any measurable outcomes in it and I would hope that you're not going to approve any goals for your assistants or your principles that are as generic as this and sort of

like top just top level sure so that's where I'm trying to find out so I want to be really clear so these are the suggested goals from the Department of Ed for first year superintendence so that is one thing I want to make sure I say out loud this isn't like a committee or a random person this it's the department of Ed that recommends these goals as a starting point so I am open obviously I

I thought this was going to be a collaborative kind of thing I'm open to adding goals and and additional benchmarks so I would just want to hear exactly what that would look like and similar we've had in the past first read of the goals M and secondly that the goal is after take some feedback yep and then we sort of come to a document I'm just telling you this member I would

like you to go back to the old goals just to review kind of what they were because everyone got a chance to weigh in y everyone was so we were able to weigh in we we give suggestions the thing that bothers me every year we set goals is that the superintendent sets the goals not you in the past and says we're going to meet um the attendance goal let's say of x% MH and then you're

going to now in order for you to meet your percent all the principles would have to obviously meet that percent so that we all same sure so at that point the year ends we never get anything to say remember that goal we said we met it or we didn't need it it just sort of disappears into the space so then when we try to say in the in the evaluation

or anything we don't know whether we met him or not so at last year's meeting I suggested to the superintendent did you meet the goals that you we jointly came up with the year prior I still am waiting for that answer because we didn't get an answer so all I'm asking is if you can go back and look I know what the I know what that goal looks like I mean the first goal um

in the in the superintendent actually even for two superintendents in a row the first goal was pretty much the same said we were going to make moderate to substantial progress toward the accountability targets and then it listed each indicator that we would do it for Math and Ela we have more specific goals internally in terms of um the progress that we want to see for our English Learners and for our students

with disabilities I would prefer to instead of defaulting to the entire accountability system I'd prefer to if you know to present some goals that would be more closely aligned with the targeted work that we're doing this year um with those populations and so I can offer that to the committee yeah I just I'm just giving you my feedback sure I think that we need to get a little more

granular on what it is and then be able to measure it in the end so it's it's not going to be a debate whether did you meet the goals or not has nothing to do with personalities or anything just did you meet the goals yes or no you could not meet the goals and have a hell of a year a good year you know so just like we would tell us

teacher just like we do as teachers absolutely all I'm saying is I for one was expecting a little more robot pieces with that when I look into the second one about the evaluation um you're going to do a formative and a that's an expectation of us to have for you you to have of your staff that everyone's following this this is just what what is the basic expectation of being an

administrator so that's just a to me is not a waste but it's you could in one sentence say we're going to follow make sure that we're uh we're uh with Fidelity following all the laws and regulations related to evaluation and it will cover this entire nothing in here is different than basically what everyone should be doing the way I see it just my own opinion um the school visits if you look

back to last year's goal setting was a similar type of thing and we said we're going to go school visit you know superintend is going to go to school visits I suggested at the time the committee agreed and the goals indicated such that we were going to get copies of the outcome of those walkthroughs whatever the wording was I'm still waiting for those so what I would suggest is if we're going to have

something where you're doing several School visits per year to kind of give an assessment of where things are that we get copies of it that's my only request it's not an evaluation as you said it's my findings I just walked in this is basically the feedback because we can't tell if what kind of feedback you're given if you don't tell us and show us the documents and the feedback that

you're given to those folks same thing was said last year so it's consistent so I do think that the um and maybe I don't know fully uh the way this would land today but I do think that the purpose of meeting like this is so that we can determine um agreed upon benchmarks it you know so that it is supposed to be a collaboration and so I'm taking notes um and I would welcome

to hear feedback from everybody so that I'd know like is that the flavor of what people are looking for so that I make sure that everybody gets what they need I guess so but we're already late well I I know and so I do want to say that I I feel like in the spirit of staying on schedule everybody defaulted to let's make sure we get an evaluation in and everyone should have defaulted to let's

make sure we start the process on time and get this on an agenda for August because it does feel very late to be still be having a discussion about what the acceptable benchmarks will be for my evaluation but we said this isn't part of the evaluation this will be for next year next year yeah but for this year this current year that we have to write you know we're writing an evaluation

over the next 30 days it doesn't include this it does not you said it does not right so if I'm looking at it and I'm saying you became superintendent July 1 mhm July August September October November December we're 6 months in and we're just talking about the proposed goals from you now I know that you've had discussions you've had to have had discussions about goals with your team

we are just seeing this now at 4:45 4:35 when I read this on December 10th or whatever the date is that's why I'm saying we're late in my opinion so the first shot of this of here's what my goal out when I since I've been superintendent July 1 and we're now going to wait and see like I guess we're going to have a special meeting or another meeting to determine when is

this when is the second read of these goals so now we're we're backing it up another one so we're going to be 50% through your first year superintendent and we're not going to have any goals listed set or anything that to me as one member is not acceptable for me saying oh yeah this is looks great this General thing looks great so I appreciate the collaboration we probably should have done this in

August I don't disagree so I that's why I'm sort of confused how we how are we here today and this is the first time we're talking about it and it's it's not in cont the substance isn't the issue you I st my questions we've had systems in the past what they look like so knowing what those systems look like in the past we're still here now almost 6 months later we don't have

anything that looks anything like the Committees have approved in the past I personally think that is a problem I don't know if I have an answer for it but I don't know what the system is going to be when are we're going to meet again but if this is the first read when is the second read i y okay Tommy so um Madam superintendent you've been assistant superintendent for quite a

while now be before Dr Malone were you an assistant superintendent so you became assist when he became so you sat you sat through his administration and then you sat through superintendent pont's Administration so you have a really good overview already of what's going on in with the entirety of the district and so given that um uh with with your goals in mind I are you implying that goals are a moving Target

because maybe what's important now wasn't as important preco or so to speak speak are go are your strategies similar to what they were proposing or are you varying from that standard no it's not I can commit I mean by Friday if if it is the will of the committee I will submit goals to you that look like the ones that superint superintendent Pon did and my goals will look different from every

first year superintendent in state yeah I was in basically I was I was no chase no like I honestly I we have the goals we have the goals it would be easy to set those goals it's fine why would we not want her to do that okay Kevin you're on the floor go ahead Tommy yes sir no I was I was basically getting at I bet you have a really good idea as as

to what's going on because you've been there and you did you've been around the block a few times with with the previous superintendant and what the challenges are in our our schools are and I really appreciate the fact that on your learning walks you go in there not to evaluate but to support and Advocate you know on behalf of what's going on inside the buildings because we need to support

our buildings as best we can I think that you got a great attitude as far as that's concerned and what I'm mostly concerned about isn't per se the uh the well I think all your goals are legitimate but I think that if if you could promote great attitude from Top on down if you can build the attitude from and the morale from Top on down then that to me is the greatest goal we can

have and I don't know that that could you can have any empirical data on that that's more of an emotional thing a feeling thing and I think you're in a good position to start doing that I think you have a great vision of our district and I'm willing to be very patient to see how you outl things in the future and I'm I'm I'm willing to be a partner with that so thank you I yield

no I was going to say no I I uh I know that when you give us your final work those things will be included to the best of your ability I I think you're under the gun because you came in late and we're we're moving slowly on this we're going to have this done in an appropriate time and scale and I as you know I visit every school and I myself

and I don't hear anything bad going on the only thing I see is uh our only shortage is sometimes Staffing for for certifi teachers in the room so I would make that a goal to improve that but that's not all you that's the district and hopefully we get this done tonight or shortly with the contract so that we can start to attract some people in here but I'm not really I'm not really

worried about what's going on right now in this District I think you're doing a good job and I'll say that for anybody you want to talk Colin Colin was next to you Kevin um just real quickly um so I agree with Mr agar I wish I think we would have avoided um disc question if we you know this like a week before so committee members could have maybe given you feedback in um

beforehand we could came at this meeting with um more comprehensive document um just a question on um the goals itself obviously this is my first goal setting meeting so um school committee has to accept the goals um do we have the authority to change or deny but you said um you you you'd be able to come back back as soon as Friday with different go um I mean I don't know what would be the

best course of action to table this and have another meeting with updated goals no I'm not I mean what us the course of action to accept I'm not going to vot to accept goals comprehensive no we're just going to come back for you too we're not going to table anything no we're not going to table I'll I'll submit as I said in the intermediate like in the inter I will submit revised goals um for

consideration I get a lot of feedback from people um via email all the time so if you wanted to shoot back an email or something I think that's acceptable and I'll you know I'll work in that way right but if we're going to accept these goals today I don't think that was the intent no no I I don't believe so it wasn't discuss no that's fine so the the answer to the question

is at least the way it's supposed to work or has worked in the past this agenda item should say school year 24 goal setting uh first read which is what it's read every year that we've done it first read at that point you would know we're not approving it today it's the SEC instead of it it will be the second read when we would approve it instead Mr Das asked a legitimate question and all we

hear down the other end of the table is no no no we're not daing no no no real answer isev Kevin can you please stay on topic for one second don't worry about what I'm saying then when the gentleman's talking there's no reason to keep saying no no no no no he there's no reason to table okay thank you for correcting me again Mr Perfect my point is and I have

the floor thank you very much I'm I'm going don't Badger her just talk regular I'm sick of people being bullied at this table so you can ask you whatever question you want respectfully please go ahead here's an answer Dr curle as I stated and as I think you understand this is meant to be a first read we collaborate as you indicated so that we would come up with a second read that

second read has to be done at a public school committee meeting and that's what I'm referring to that's all you and I are in agreement on everything that we just said yep to go back and look it's not badging you I'm not bullying you at the this is the reason why when I say something and somebody else like the chairman wants to keep saying no no no no no no this is the problem I'm trying

to be respectful for you and talk with you to say this is what it would be first read next meeting public meeting will be a second read if that second read is in January whatever the teens whenever the next meeting is my stance on that was that's going to be 6 months already in and that's an even longer time but at this point we can't do nothing about it because we're here so

as far as I'm concerned as one member of the school committee I want to have some solid goals based on achievement based on attendance and based on those measures so what I would ask is that you forward to the full school committee all of the goals that you've approved for your three assistant superintendents and your principles between now and the next meeting so that we can review those to

try to see how they can match up to possibly some sort of continuity to make sure everything sort of together no Mr agar make that in the form of a motion because we're not supposed to be telling what to do for that you want to make a motion that she does that go ahead and you get you'll see to get a second and a vote so you you'll be posted that I guess I'll make a

motion make a motion that we do exactly as I just suggested second I have a motion a second any on the motion on the motion it it it finds it totally incredulous that what I just asked you as superintendent for the goals for your administrators your assistant superintendent and principles would be not applauded or suggested from the chairman of this school committee that he would actually indicate in a public

meeting that we as school committee should not look at your assistant superintendent goals and your principal's goals when we're trying to set the goals for this district and you as superintendent it blows my mind to think that somebody can actually say that in a public meeting but with that being said regardless of this take this as my personal request for that information to come to us whether the

votes up or down with no disrespect because quite frankly I don't think you'd have one problem giving it because I've asked you for things and you've given them so he can try to be your protector to try to make it seem like I'm picking on you and bullying you but he he's not correct because I'm trying to work with you and I'm trying to get the information so that we can get solid

goals so whether this is up or down all I'm suggesting is please forward that information to the me and if you want to give it to the rest of the school committee so be it but to to think that we could actually have a goal setting and we can't get the information on what your assistant superintendent and principles have is totally incredulous by the chair and the vice chair it's

unbelievable I yield so on on the motion what I on the motion what I was saying was that she has gets sometimes up to 10 to 13 emails a day asking for information from certain members of the committee it's wildly inappropriate I had the corporation counsel look at I'm going to give everybody something inside my position is that she has has a job to do I think she should do it to the best

of her ability this was about goal setting for her so I'm not worried about the other goals she can use that in her evaluations of them my point is she has plenty on her table let her tackle it that's all I'm saying and that is not any reason to be offended Mr agar I think she does a as I said a good job I want her to do her job not the job you

tell her that she needs to do for you and on the motion I have a motion a second um would you call sorry can you say what the motion is I need to hear the motion the motion is that the superintendent will prepare go ahead I got that the superintendent will get the goals from her assistant superintendent and the principal and forward them to the school committee that's a pretty

simple way to say it and common sense as you said absolutely as you said you didn't have the floor so I don't why you're talking to Mr Das thank you um so the motion is just to request information to get goals from or from your no no that's not the motion so was that not the motion no to read that is the motion the motion is all right

Mr do you y I'll yeld this if you want CL so here's the here's the situation we are here on the I no I just want to know what the motion is Kevin that's all I want to know I can speak and ask and say anything I want related to this motion thank you very much Jes so on December 9th today we are here today at the meeting to set the goals of the

superintendent what I have asked was based on that I would like to get the goals that the superintendent has approved for her three assistant superintendent and her principles it's right quite simple it's quite basic and it if it's not already Incorporated it should have been I don't think that's out of the line I don't think that's it's actually out of line if we don't do such a thing that's showing that we're

not doing our duty as school committee members to actually try to make sure that we're seeing how everything is going to be in a continuous way working together to set goals and meaningful goals measurable goals smart goals like we say to everybody else but we have people on this committee who think we shouldn't have any goals we shouldn't ask you any questions and we should just let you do whatever you want this

Committee Member whether Alan Rumsey says it or anything it doesn't really matter because I'm a school Committee Member elected by the public and if I have a question to ask I'm going to ask the question I don't understand what this is about whe Mr Rumsey or anything else I've asked you some some very good questions and I think there's some questions that we should get answers to

I just don't understand why we wouldn't want this information who in their right mind is not going to vote to have you give us that I can't I can't believe we're even having this discussion we have the vote Yes on so on the motion so I just um so we're not approving these goals today least I'm not willing to approve them again I'm I'm a little confused as what the process is here but

if this is just some sort of first reading where you're going to come back committee um I don't even think it needs to be in a form of emotion to ask for the goals if they're set goals by your assistant superintendence I really don't see what the controversy is just a normal conversation I just don't really see even the need for a motion is just be a simple request and then if we're

coming back with updated goals at a future meeting which I don't think you're necessarily opposed to but I'll let you speak with that um I just really don't see what the the argument is about just um get the best information we can we get the most updated goals that we can we our set with data um I don't really see how that's um attacking you that's just Mr agar doing this job it's

just us doing our job I don't the anything personal with that whatsoever so I mean I'll vote Yes on the motion but I really just don't see even a need it should be a simple request from a school Committee Member to ask for updated go now you going on yeah Mr you said the same thing three times Mr this um I think whether whatever side you agree with or not um just to ask we

maybe the controversy lies um I believe it's it lies in overstepping in my opinion you know this is where the controversy is are we overstepping question being are we overstepping our bounds because our job is to evaluate the superintendent our job is not to evaluate the assistant superintendent or um any principal of any school not our job um to manage them or to evaluate them that's the job um of

Dr Curley so I think that's where the controversy lies it's not that it's not good information to have but I think to request it at a meeting that was supposed to be about her setting her goals not us setting her goals from what I gather right so we're here to listen and contribute um basically I thought this meeting was about contributing what we think we'd like to see happen and

have her then take that information so she has goals that um you know are in the direction of where the committee wants to see the school department um so I think that's where the controversy is is that is it really something that's necessary because technically that really isn't our job so I don't know but everybody has their own opinion that's fine with that I can we take a vote Mr

AG so the um this goal setting process is to create joint superintendent school committee joint that means there's two people like both sides that's part of the issue why I'm suggesting that we need some information in order to make those together so that we can try to figure out what's the overarching goal and how we can work together but the real controversy here to answer Mr das's Question the reason

why this is controversial where we have to take a vote and Kevin aia's opinion is because the chairman of this committee is trying to play protector to the superintendent and not allow anybody to ask ask her any questions that's the answer from this member that's exactly what's happening cuz how dare anybody question the superintendent of schools and he's trying to be her protector and

that includes the duties that anyone has if I want to ask for information during this during the month we have a right to ask for that we're elected by the public to ask questions asking questions doesn't have to be bad but the answer to your question Mr the dasis our chairman is trying to be the protector for Dr KY that's why we're taking this vote I agree with you we shouldn't have to Mr

Mr agel as a mind reader you know what's in my head so I'm glad you're able to present it to the others my point is that it's not our job to ask her to bring documents to us ask questions was what you said I'm not saying anything about the questions I'm having a problem when you say to us bring me three evaluations bring me five that is not our job so I that's what I'm talking

about but if you decide that you can read mines tonight then we may have a shorter meeting because you'll know everything before it happens so you may be in a better spot my point is it is not our job to ask them oh can I get three of these documents can I get this it's not our job is to ask questions as you said but not request stuff that's

not our job well I I but if you want to do it as a public foer request you have your 10 days and you can send it in but not to request go ahead Mr I would respectfully disagree first off I don't know how to read mines and you know that well it sounds like so what happens is what happens is when somebody asks a tough question your go-to response Mr chairman

is let's try to laugh let's try to giggle let's try to do some kind of angle here so we can get people off topic don't get off topic with this particular motion or request this particular motion and request was quite simple and all it was was that in order for us to say the evaluation and what we're going to do for goals for our superintendent I believe as I think anyone that's in education should

believe that getting the goals and what she's approved for goals of her Administration Assistant superintendents and principles actually can help Drive the discussion for what types of things are we going to do because quite frankly if her goals to them as gen as generic as this which I don't think they are which we've just talked about we are not going to make the gains that we need to

make in the school system so you can say all you want that you don't feel we should ask any of these questions we shouldn't ask for documents that's you everybody has their right all I'm asking is all I'm asking is you want to respect all I'm asking is that you respect every other member as well including when we're talking vot on thetion you don't need to see keep going no no no no no

let's vote yeah okay let's that's all I'm asking just be respectful and be equal with everybody thank you Mr yes Mr Bailey Mr D yes Mr Cory no Miss lar no M Pereira no May no Mr dce motion to adour Second all in favor I oppos unanimous you want to call it we should call it go ahead Mr yes Bailey Mr yes Mr Cory yep yesera