The Fall River Licensing Board convened on February 22, 2022, opening the meeting with the nomination and unanimous approval of Tim McCoy as the new chairperson. The board then addressed several licensing requests, including the transfer of an all-alcohol common victuals license for St. James Irish Pub Inc. to Medley and Firearm Inc. at 91 Purchase Street, which was approved unanimously across five separate motions covering the license, inventory, stock, and manager. Two one-day alcohol permits for the Santa Cristo Parish's annual feast on June 25th and 26th, 2022, were also unanimously approved. Further business included the unanimous approval of a common victualis license for Porrento and Ekfa Restaurant at 927 Stafford Road, pending a favorable police report, and a change of hours for Dunny Saloon at 13 North Main Street, allowing it to open earlier on St. Patrick's Day and on Mondays, which was also unanimously approved. Two license transfer applications (items six and seven) were tabled until the March 23rd meeting at the applicants' request. An extension of hours request for Haboob Club was also tabled until the March meeting, pending a scheduled show cause hearing related to a November incident. The most extensive discussion revolved around the July Friends Lounge, doing business as Cornerstone, at 222-226 East Main Street, seeking an all-alcohol restaurant license. Attorney Arthur Frank represented the applicant, Mr. De Silva, presenting a revised parking plan for 24 spaces to accommodate 96 seats. Detective Monas reported an unfavorable police review due to past managerial issues in Brockton, including allegations of improper liquor purchasing and a COVID violation (later overturned). Several residents, including Thomas Corey, Joseph Marks, Brian Kurt, Deborah Ferreira, and Carlos Caesar, voiced strong opposition, citing historical problems with late-night establishments in the mixed-use neighborhood, including noise, parking, and public disturbances. Emily Hall spoke in favor, highlighting Mr. De Silva's positive track record in Brockton. Ultimately, the board tabled this item until the March 23rd meeting to allow the Building Inspector, Mr. Hathaway, to conduct a site visit and review the submitted plans. The meeting concluded with the unanimous approval of the December 15, 2021, meeting minutes and the ratification of a one-day permit for the Espirito Santo Church.
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good evening i'd like to call this meeting to order pursuant to the open leaving law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any media attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible
0:41i'd like to address the first item on the agenda and request a motion to nominate a chairperson to the licensing board i would like to make a motion to nominate tim mccoy as chairperson to the licensing board and i will second that motion all in favor aye aye okay the eyes have it neutral chairperson takes over the meeting thank you mrs esposito thank you everybody thank you congratulations
1:18and if i could ask you all bear with me if um for some reason i'm speaking too quietly yell asked me to speak up um this is well it's not my first rodeo on the board it's certainly my first rodeo as uh as chair so i welcome you all here tonight and to carry on with business we'll go to item number two which is a transfer of all alcohol common victuals license
1:47pledge of inventory pledge of license pledge of stock gentlemen if you could please uh state your name and provide an address please my name is uh william farrer i live at 81 arizona street here in fall river welcome william thank you my name is attorney matthew burke i have an office here at 120 purchase street for river mass i represent mr farah uh mr burke you might as well kick it
2:16off if you can state your business yeah very briefly just a straight transfer of a liquor license st james which is located right up the street at 91 purchase street is owned by st james irish pub inc my client mr farah and mr medley who's sitting behind me in the second row matthew medley have formed the corporation medley and firearm inc they are purchasing um the assets the license the inventory
2:45from uh st james irish pub inc mr farah has been working there i believe since 2007 he's been the assistant manager mr medley who's sitting in the second row has been in the business the restaurant kitchen business for approximately 20 years also the license right now is in the name of ronald travasos we're here just to transfer that license into mr farah same it's going to be the same hours of
3:13operation nothing's going to change the only thing that really is going to change is the uh the hat that mr pharah is going to be wearing is now going to be hopefully with your permission um the manager of the license okay mr burke so we have no renovations going on no moving of the bar no changing of seating capacity nothing no hourly changes i'm sorry bill when did you say you
3:43started i started there i started there doing the door in 2007 i became a the bartender a year after that and i've been the manager for seven or eight so he's got the experience yeah detective motors any all reports were favorable thank you thank you any kerry do you know of any any zoning issues pending zoning issues anything of that nature that's it uh i believe and and uh carry a clerk
4:14can correct me if i'm wrong would this take four motions the license the inventory the pledge of license right the transfer and the pledge of stock and the manager as well and the manager so five yeah i forgot about the manager okay okay so on the first matter um the chair would entertain a motion if this board desires i'll make a motion to approve the transfer of the all-out alcohol common pictures license
4:48i'll second the motion motion made by mrs esposito and seconded by mr cadet miss cadero all in favor aye the eyes have it i'd like to make a motion to approve the pledge of the inventory i'll second the motion motion made by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye motion passes i'd like to make a motion for the pledge of license to approve the pledge of the license
5:22i'll second the motion motion made by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye in the last motion passes last one is the pledge of stock make a motion to approve the pledge of the stock i'll second the motion motion made by mrs esposito seconded by miss gudero all in favor aye the eyes have it motion passes and we do need a fifth for the manager yep i'll
5:56make a motion to approve the new manager i'll second the motion um motion made by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye motion passes and i believe that completes our business with item number two clerk it does yeah gentlemen thank much congrats thank you for putting me good luck thank you very thank you thank you good luck guys thank you good luck item number three
6:31one day permit santa cristo parish 185 canal street i believe there's two one-day permits gentlemen welcome could you please state your name and offer an address my name is father jeffrey cabral i'm the pastor of santa cruz parish mailing address of 185 canal street church located on columbia street uh eric eric rondricks uh 278 for a mass whipple thank you gentlemen welcome welcome uh
7:07it would appear we have a pretty routine request i imagine this is for the annual feast yes so as you know santa cruz has our annual feast usually in the full last weekend of june and uh we've never really served uh alcohol before but we wanted to try something new and then the pandemic hit and so our requests got delayed by a few years but we were hoping that to um to
7:32apply for this uh two one day licenses just to carry um a couple of beers and why and why i'm assuming we're going to have police detail yes in the past we've always had at least one police detail but i understand uh if we do get the alcohol license that we have to have at least two police detail all right detective moments anything you'd like to add nope they don't she doesn't need to give them
7:59nothing at all i don't want to make sure okay sure um would this board like to entertain a motion do we need to take each day separately so we have our two dates there mrs esposito on the agenda yes okay i'd like to make a motion to approve the one day permits for june 25th 2020 and june 26 2020.
8:26would you mind just stating the times that they've requested that oh yes well thank you
8:41oops sorry about that it looks like we have saturday june 25th 8 p.m to midnight that's the date of the event i see no other time on that kerry that's it yep and then the next day as well okay and then sunday june 26 6 p.m to 10 o'clock correct correct gentlemen so if we could stop from scratch mrs esposito on the first date june 25th yep 2022. if i make a motion to approve july
9:13uh june 25th one day permit for june 25th 2022 and for june 26 2022 okay so let's take when we take the first date the first motion do i have a second a second okay so motion made by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero saturday june 25th 2022 8pm to midnight all in favor aye all opposed nope the eyes have it and we have a first state permit if we could move to the second date please
9:50the second date maybe you just restate yeah so the second date one day permit sunday june 26 2022 6 p.m to 10 p.m ms kadero do you wish the second yes i'll second motion all in favor hi hi motion passes for one day permit sunday june 26th 6 pm until 10 p.m yep carry any additional from us no gentlemen we're good thank you gentlemen thank you good luck thank you father appreciate it
10:31item number four do we have anyone here uh item number four common victualis porrento and ekfa restaurant uh hopefully i pronounce that properly 927 stafford road it's her moment to shine she is ready and everything hi my name is gina estrella and my address is 28 green ellis tree apartment 2 4th river massachusetts 7 21.
11:06welcome uh welcome gina gina i am aware just because of the neighborhood that the this there is something there now i believe i don't know if it's a restaurant breakfast place um restaurant are you currently affiliated with the business that's there now um no you are not so this is a new like the previous situation that we had you're not a current employee or okay um what are your plans for the you know
11:40what are your plans here then for the business um i'll try to open 5 30 in the morning to sell breakfast lunch and dinner and close 11.
11:5111 p.m 11 p.m so 5 30 a.m to 11 p.m yes how many days a week um monday to sunday monday to sunday so every day 5 30 to 11.
12:08god bless you guys um any do you plan any reservation uh excuse me renovations to the existing site so the site will function as is correct i mean you know again no no no changes in not in the site no construction going on nothing nothing to that effect um i just have a question the seating how many people 40 it'll seat 40 people yes okay um before asking um detective monas for for input um
12:56i should ask and i apologize i failed to ask earlier the do we have any opponents or proponents for this particular matter item number item number four anyone here to speak for or against this matter detective monas have we had an opportunity to do any sort of uh no no important either yeah okay i'm sorry yeah there's not a report yet okay okay um any sort of approval would be would be
13:29made pending a a positive police report
13:41okay would you be willing to make a motion again any other questions on the board melanie no any questions would you be willing to make a motion of that effect yes now make a motion to approve the common vigilance license pending a favorable police report so once we get the police report then once i get it yes either way good or bad i'll call you and let you know what we
14:05do next you'll be able to pick up the license okay if it's favorable so okay we're just holding for a little bit okay all right thank you you're welcome i'll second the motion motion made by mrs esposito seconded by mrs cadero all in favor aye aye aye the motion passes thank you thank you mr strella for your time thank you good luck uh item number five change of hours dunny saloon 13 north main street chris donovan
14:36hi chris if you could state your name and address for the record chris donovan 132 albion street and florida mass thank you chris and can you state your business i believe it's a change i know what it is patrick's day and um yeah actually adding mondays okay so it looks like on thursday saint patrick's day you're looking open at noon and then is it beginning april 4th am i reading this correctly yep that's the
15:03first monday okay and your request to open on mondays so you're currently closed on monday and this is due to increase food and and food sales and food requests yeah a lot of uber ubereats and all that stuff okay um okay just to just change strictly a change of ours do we have any opponents or proponents of this particular request of the board carrying none anything we need to add on your end miss clerk
15:35uh would the board entertain uh making a motion yep i'll make a motion to approve the change of hours okay i'll second the motion to approve so motion made to change hours by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye the eyes have it the motion passes thank you chris and good luck congratulations thank you i think um from what i understand and i will defer to the clerk um at the request of the
16:11applicants is that accurate item six their attorney correct have been um or they request the table it at least until march at this point i believe we still need a motion from this board and obviously we'll take the matters separately i won't ask for since we will not be making any decision on either item i won't ask if there's any any input from the public uh tonight on these two matters so
16:40could i get a motion on item number six i'll make a motion to approve the um to table this until march 23rd which is the next meeting i'll second the motion motion made by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye aye motion passes can we get a motion on item number seven i'll make a motion to table till march 23rd table this uh transfer um i'll second the motion motion made by
17:15mrs esposito to transfer license pledge of collateral seconded by ms cadero all in favor aye aye motion passes and we'll move on to item number eight extension of ours haboob club gentlemen good evening good evening if you could state your name and offer an address george elgory 2135 grand army highway swansea mass and george i believe it's an extension of ours can you outline what you're looking to do for us we're
17:59basically just looking to extend the hours on uh friday night and saturday night from midnight midnight to one o'clock correct okay um mr corey it has come to my attention uh due to an incident back in november and obviously we're not here tonight uh passing judgment on that incident but apparently there is a show cause hearing that needs to be scheduled okay and as you can see obviously due to the
18:27transition here it was not possible to schedule that show cause hearing for um for this particular meeting i believe it's the will of the clerk to schedule that for the march meeting yes um and then once we have that show cause hearing we can um then make a decision on on your request from the board to extend the hours for those two uh for those two at the same time or the previous to the
18:55mana chord was impossible yeah we can put it on okay yeah so we'll deal with it all in one one all in one visit in march we'll handle all all matters the show cause hearing okay and um upon the completion of this show cause hearing we can um we can deal with your request here and the extension of ours for the two nights fair enough um madam clerk we need a formal motion off the
19:17table until march this particular matter yeah okay i'll make a motion to a to table this item until the next meeting which is march 23rd i'll second the motion so motion made to table the request for extension of hours made by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye aye okay the motion passes and we'll see you in march thank you thank you all right moving on to uh old business slash new business
19:53if we could have the uh july friends lounge doing business as cornerstone 222 226 east main street mr de silva represented by mr frank if you could obviously state your name mr chairman congratulations thank you the record my name is arthur frank i'm a lawyer with an address of 209 bedford street fall river massachusetts and i represent your petition at the july friends lounge inc the principals are with me here
20:23mr mr das silva we will we've been here for quite a few meetings and the big issue that we needed to surmount was parking off street parking the zoning coat of fall river section 86 441 requires that new restaurants have at least one space for each four seats of total seating capacity and a loading space when we were here in january i presented the board with evidence from the owner of a
20:57vacant parcel across the street from this location that mr de silva has under agreement i think he's even paid her in advance for 12 months for parking it was that it was the board's pleasure at that time for us to produce a parking plan and i did submit that to your clerk earlier today uh they were it's a two sheet uh plan it the first sheet is is for the parking
21:23the second sheet is for the restaurant occupancy if you take a look at that sheet the seating capacity is going to be 96 which means we need 24 parking spaces off street and that's what we've been able to come up with at this property that is right across the street from the proposed restaurant and obviously if this board looked favorably on it we would have to do some site work to get that parking space
21:52parking spaces lined and set up in a orderly manner so that they could be utilized by the patrons okay uh attorney frank do we have that does mr de silva in his possession have i i saw the certified letter from the neighbor do we have an actual uh lease that executed that signed that that writing constitutes a a written enforceable lease it's the owner signed it she is the owner of the property
22:24her signature was notarized uh it set forth the terms uh other than you know asking for somebody to do a boilerplate lease up i think she's had some um health issues with her husband and hasn't really been available to see a lawyer to do that okay but he's paid he has already prepaid for 12 months for the right to use that that parking lot okay was there an additional site plan submitted as far as deceiving and
22:54occupancy because the one that i'm familiar with i believe had 160. this is the most seats in the problem this is the one that i sent uh earlier today okay page two is the seating plan so it's fair to say that the board did not receive this with their agenda pack for tonight's meeting obviously i don't know if it was able to be disseminated because they usually receive it obviously several days before um
23:26before i ask if we have input from a citizen's input tonight either in favor or opposed um i think we're all aware of the um and i can let detective motors elaborate but we do have an unfavorable um well you had a favorable one the police it was a favorable report and then it changed the unfavorable uh i do have the correspondence from the abcc we made note on his application
24:01that he was cited for a covet violation in 2020 i believe it was that was later overturned by the abcc it was overturned in 2021 the abcc wanted him to submit a plan to the department of labor and standards and he did submit that and on january 12 2021 the department of labor and standards reviewed his covet 19 control plan and they determined it to be satisfactory that is the only violation
24:47that was on record in the city of brockton where his other establishment exists but it was overturned by the abcc and the department of labor standards signed off on his covet plan and he has been in compliance since then detective could you add in the position of the voter police department yes and the chief's position there were some concerns when i was asked last to look into mr silva's history with
25:21managerial business ownership and there were a couple things that had come up that were concerning for the chief one in particular was a licensing board meeting regarding his business prior to ownership with the previous owner uh when he sat as the manager there are some things that came up during the meeting that were a little unsettling for the chief which is um why he felt that moving forward he
25:46was a little leery about putting in a favorable request for this um if you'd like me to elaborate i've seen the report it evidently had something to do with a civil action or a contemplated civil action and i've never known this board to get involved in outstanding or contemplated civil lawsuits when trying to decide if someone is a suitable candidate for a license this gentleman is well respected
26:14in in the city of brockton he has the support of the administration there from what i understand he has invested quite a bit of money in this location in fall river because he feels that uh cape verdean cuisine is not adequately represented here and he has uh he's prepared to continue and invest money in the city and uh open this establishment and try to make something of it but as far as this board speculating as
26:45to civil actions um i don't think that's a that's that that's a realistic rounds to deny somebody do you have anything to add i'm just um the messenger i mean this is information that's been relayed um obviously to you um this is something i've sat down and i've i've spoken with the chief in regards to and he feels um very strong on how he feels unfortunately attorney frank do you know if they
27:14because i truly don't know i believe a site visit was attempted do you know if that was completed or if the prior chairman was able to you know view the lounge slash restaurant get into the building we never went in that day never went in that day nope okay um do we have any other any questions from fellow board members um i'll open it up to anyone who would like to speak on the matter
27:46um i understand neighborhoods have that neighbors have submitted uh petitions against um and uh if you'd like to speak you can stand up if you wish right where you are if you can announce your your your name and address for the record if you choose to if you want to come down thomas corey my home address 389 stafford road here in fall river my business address is 246 east main street
28:14i have submitted a letter uh to the board previously we submitted petitions to the board previously we're very concerned about the parking in the neighborhood we're concerned about the late hours in the neighborhood and but um um carlos sees the school very well last month very eloquently now some address has just attract problems and we feel i've been the the proprietor wide at standard pharmacy in october
28:43will be 34 years i've been the proprietor since 2006.
28:49all of us who live in the neighborhood remember those days of the late nights and the broken bottles and the vomit we'd have to clean up in the morning and the noise mr marks lives in the neighborhood mr curt lives in the neighborhood debbie lives she would be adjacent to the parking area that site has always been a problem site and when the bar closed down whatever it was 12 years ago and
29:16the bar next door goes down and of course the city invested in the east main street project we've had a lot of new businesses move in and people don't fear walking down east main street anymore and we just feel another bar late night originally i believe the request was to one in the morning last call on east main street is not a big thank you thank you yes sir my name is joseph marks
29:45and i live at 17 wolves street wilbur mr box what brian and dad 37 37 years ago i lived right next to that bar used to be a bar it's okay and opened up as a lunch with a lot of trouble there i live right next door i used to work in canton mass and i could not sleep at night to go to work at five o'clock in the morning because the bands would play over there
30:12till one o'clock at night come out i couldn't come up with out of my driveway with cars they usually drunk leave the cars left outside in the parking lot across my driveway then i moved out of there and i went to live on 17 wilbur street but i lived now for 37 years even then after i lived there when the that opened up as a lounge which was the last the last one
30:41it was nothing but trouble noise prostitution up on east main street plenty of it prostitution is going on okay you can even walk being able to walk at night on time it's me and the way i feel we have enough bars around here where we already dealt with above age of one which was a nightclub we lived put wrong in the corner of the globe and south main we got paul's bar we got one father down
31:16on the corner but i believe valley or or i think it's really street there's a one bar there we had one in the corner farther down on on on south main street in east maine next to the 24 store i think it's too many bars too many things to go to be open over there until one o'clock at night because they not just make them out there's cigarette buttons everywhere it's broken bottles everywhere because
31:46they go in they drink before they go rent so they don't spend too much money on the bar is is they used to go to the to the nightclub on asia of on asia one on on south main street and they used to walk come to their cars on palmer and leave the bottles and the nipples and everything on my wall in front of my house it's i mean we i lived over there guaranteed for
32:14over 40 years with nothing but bars it was rendezvous i forgot the name of that with the last this last lounge the hope in there but it used to be owned by the owner of the rendezvous which closed down sold the license to paul and but but most of the struggle was before that and i and but believe me it was a lot of trouble a lot of trouble because at that time
32:46the the uh the the that gas station well never it was a gas station many many years ago 53 years ago was a snorkel station but then it became a was a parking lot for bob's garage which i know them for years they never parked there they they used to go park on this property without his authorization and and and even if they go if they open that parking lot bigger
33:15for to put accommodate more vehicles in there guess what my house is almost across the street from it their house is right next door from there they leave the they leave they're going to be leaving that place late at night turning cars on talking yelling and screaming and if it's which is all of that comes true and we are like scalded cats afraid of cold water that old neighborhood because if we
33:44think it's too many we've been hitting too many times with with with bars around a and launchers and everything i mean i have nothing nothing against mr silva absolutely nothing nothing against him it's a nice property now and everything nice property but we are afraid of what could come after that because we know we're going to open up guarantee that it's a lounge it's going to be music in it
34:12that's to begin with it right there and then and and that's where it starts if i stay if i'm in my house with my windows open on the summer i can hear the music inside of that place and i live on wiltshire which is around 200 feet
34:47it's it's uh it's stuff you know when you when you when you getting back then i had a little kids and everything you know like that's where my kids first brought up and put literally and i think the police the police as goes back beyond you know like my time they want to find stuff on there got it mr marx sir uh are you through are you all set yes
35:20is there anyone else who would like to speak for or against i'm sorry i had that my turn here my name is emily hall i got a 42 422 reading street in fall river okay um i'm the chief operating officer of the broadband redevelopment authority i'm also the president director of prava um which was a local nonprofit in downtown brockton who hosts papa beer garden in the middle downtown brompton so i'm very familiar with
35:42everything that you guys are feeling as residents and and that unsafe feeling um it is my job and i am trained and do it very well and making cities exactly like brockton and like fall river able to have these places that are coming back to life and in different ways i understand and respect the past history of how things have gone poorly before and and the fact that there needs to be
36:06a time and place in an effort to change things um i have worked very personally with his business over the years i have spent my summer nights in his business and it's he's a good business owner and if you you need to be able to hear the residence and also say okay you don't want to hear one o'clock in the morning there's noise restrictions by the way i know that there's ordinances for that so
36:28there's noise levels so those aren't being met there's phone calls that are made and i know if it's annoying but things will be changed and if you want to start out till 11 and then see how it goes but to to punish him over past business owners discretions is not not quite rightful neither is a civil suit against him as a manager not even a business owner but we can bypass that
36:49one for a minute um i'm just here to speak to the fact that i have worked with him as business owner in a downtown similar to this we have had no issues with him we've been able to come to terms on things we've been able to work well together he's reasonable and fair and i will say it is far less a bar and far more restaurant we go in there for lunch
37:10yeah i would have drinks there after our prava at night but at the same it's tables there's literally three seats at the bar and there there's tables in there and there's tables to the point where there's no dance floor it's not it's not even though the lounge is attached to his company head name it's not a lounge um if you want to laugh about it you can go to his business
37:31before you judge him as a business owner and what type of place it is i'm not sure what your basis is on why you think he can't be a respectable business owner and why it's not a restaurant his food is very good the caperidian food that's in brockton is very good and it is something as a now fall river resident that is not around here um and so i just i would hate to
37:49see an opportunity not be given over past issues with business owners and and a street that i have walked and been around and there are a ton of vacant storefronts there and i don't think that that's also what you want down there and i understand that people live there but the way it's designed is to be commercial and residential and if you don't like that then you shouldn't live
38:10in that type of area but it is zoned and built to be commercial and residential and that's if you don't like that then the zoning law should change but a business owner who is in the right and who was already established as that is not at fault here you should not be punished for those things like like an add to that stand the current applicant cannot necessarily be tagged with the
38:34sins of the past so the board does understand um mr kurt maybe and then this young lady in front yes brian kurt 118 east main street um look i'm sure i know the board's seen the neighborhood it's a mixed neighborhood this isn't um a straight business area that's why everybody is having is saying what they're saying stay open until one o'clock in the morning for a restaurant i don't usually
38:57eat at one o'clock in the morning um that's the issue everybody can see is concerned about because it is interesting you look at it some of the old business process so there's a heavy mix of residential it's not just straight business and that's where everybody's coming from this gentleman mentioned about what happened the best i've lived there in that neighborhood for 67 years ever
39:19since i was born so i remember what it was like i understand i'm not going to beat this gentleman up for what happened in the past but he's asking for one o'clock in the morning in a residential area and that's where everybody's got pain with so you know pay attention to that part of it and the fact that it's a mixed use neighborhood and look at it that way and you know and and not not just
39:43you know uh what he what's done in brockton because i don't know the neighborhood how the neighborhood is where he is in brockton i only know east main street so the the hours of the deal you know because like i said it's a bit i'm hearing it's supposed to be a restaurant but restaurants don't usually open until one on one and they usually they're usually closed up long before that
40:03and you know in the last call you know that's that's the issue i have and that's all that's that's that's what i'll end right there thank you thank you miss deborah ferreira uh 100 palmer street uh my property actually about where this parking is going to be is there any chance that we can get a look at that parking situation well imagine any document filed absolutely yeah it's public records so you will
40:35be able to yes because i'd like to know how close that's going to be to my driveway um and speaking to you i i find it odd that you would tell someone that has lived in a neighborhood for 33 53 67 years if you don't like the zoning laws leave move like i didn't say to leave or move i said that trust the zoning laws not the business owner who's trying to open
40:59within that so you know what i've been there for 33 years and that that business every april and may june july august september when we could have our windows open we dreaded it because you couldn't sleep i had two little ones at home we couldn't get them to sleep because of the noise we have more video than you can shake a stick at from when this bar has been open and
41:26closed if you want to close it eight or nine o'clock at night do whatever you want over here but one o'clock 10 o'clock it's not going to work for us we've done it we're sick of it and we don't want it i don't frank i think you're climbing used to trying to think you're applying this just i just want to reiterate some points for the chairman's benefit because this is his first meeting on this petition
41:51that neighborhood is zoned local business and what that means is that a restaurant is a use allowed as a matter of right to the exclusion of residences that are now considered pre-existing non-conforming uses and the second point is that we're not applying for a license to run a bar or a saloon where food is not prepared on site his application is for an all-alcoholic restaurant license
42:22i mentioned to the board at one of the previous meetings that the hours that we originally talked about on november the 30th were not to be chiseled in stone they were placeholders and if this board is at all inclined to grant us this license even if they want to do it on a probationary basis we can live with hours of less than what i described on november 30th the initial hours requested were
42:51tuesday to thursday 9 a.m 1 a.m friday to saturday 9 a.m 2 a.m sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry mr mccoy tuesday through thursday 9 a.m to 1 a.m friday and saturday 9 a.m to 2 a.m sunday 9 a.m to 1 a.m that was what i originally mentioned but in speaking with mr da silva he can live with less than those numbers um are you are you finished this year is the disabled would you like to speak
43:30like everybody been saying like um i was concerned about like a sound those people didn't even see the building the buildings they renovated on on all soundproof and it's running for the put the bar to the top all soundproof and uh whatever they say like 30 37 years ago i was like young guy then right now because things happened 37 years ago 40 years ago they're going to concern they're going to stop me
44:01to to operate my business there they already invested almost 1 million at the city then i don't have a no problem my license all my records clean just because guys gonna deny my application just because neighborhood doesn't want it and i don't see it as a fear because a neighbor hurts don't concern about doesn't want to meet open business there and she's not only being concerned about parkinson's parking lot
44:29and uh the owner of the property already rent me the parking lot it doesn't have it doesn't mean because she leave behind the property she can't rent through the the parking lot because this is not my problem so i want to discuss this with a property warner she already reagan emailed me she already rented me i've been spending like 18 000 so far for this licensed customer just three thousand dollars
45:00that i make put more money in this building that never see the result i don't think it's a fear for me that i keep spending money and the the property is a commercial building they know is i'll design a restaurant everybody knows about that i don't know why the people being concerned because i'm when i invest money in anything i try to bring positive vibe for the neighborhood try to make a
45:29neighborhood happy all this i don't bring negative revival for things i spend my money on it because i know sooner or later they're gonna close they're gonna shut the door down and i'm gonna lose my money those people they don't even know me they don't know what i'm doing to spend my money to invest money in a city this is all a return i bring to the city of forever
45:55i can invest money in a different city but because i live right on somerset i have a business in brockton i find this build this building here i invest in this building it's a one million dollar investment that now this neighborhood tried to stop me invest my money i don't know why mr season name address please sure carlos caesar 367 frost street i was not going to speak today because i
46:30i was not going to repeat myself um from the last meeting when i talked to but i heard a couple of things already that made me speak number one i never heard no one in here saying that they don't want this business because the gentleman had any issue on the past none of that i didn't hurt so let's put that out of the way because we're not in here opposed because he had whatever it had i
47:05don't i don't know i don't want to know the problem is the business that he's trying to open it's a problem in a neighborhood it's been a problem on my neighborhood it's a problem like in any neighborhood number two is the fact that and i i'm sick and tired of hearing people coming to my city and telling me to move away i'm sick and tired okay number three we can after the problem
47:40we can resolve the problem it's ways to resolve yes it is raise the result it's calling my police apartment putting more burn in my police department it's uh cases that i need to to contact a lawyer that's going to cost me a fifteen hundred dollars just to walk in the door to explain what my case is and and and and and more and more more so the problem is nothing to do with this
48:08gentleman i wish him a lot of luck that he could open a lot of business the problem is that location and coming back for the same thing that's the problem you want to open the furniture store there everybody would be happy but the problem is this kind of business it's not good for a neighborhood i'm pretty sure if a neighbor has a complaint about a a person yelling at two o'clock in the morning that the friends
48:49don't want to leave and they want to party outside if the neighbors complain to the owner is going to tell them this this person will never be allowed inside no it's not good for business but then they have to contact a lawyer and they have to open the case and they have to fight and it's no need for that we have plenty of empty stores yes but can you imagine if a bar opens in every
49:16empty store we need business but some business kills a neighborhood instead of helping a neighborhood i said that on a last meeting i don't want to repeat myself it was just a couple of things that i want to make clear that i heard on this meeting that i'm not happy with especially coming from people that that don't live in here don't know the problems we have thank you thank you
49:47all right if that is it um mr chairman if i if i may sure i just wanted to uh clarify one thing i understand that it has been said on a number of occasions that um the issues are civil issues i just want to clarify the police department's issues isn't so much with the business as i stated before i was asked to look into mr silva's ability to manage a business as a manager as a business
50:14owner and the issues that i had found were actually it was public information again with the licensing board meeting in brockton and our concerns were not so much with civil issues but more or less with a couple of things that were brought up which i chose not to mention but one was the non-approval from the abcc because there were allegations made that mr silva was applying for food permits under a business name
50:42which he did not have commits for as well as buying liquor from liquor stores which you cannot do has to be through a distributor those types of things along with the covid violations that occurred with his existing business were the reason that the department felt uneasy with proving this that being said the issues aren't so much with the business i understand that the residents have their own issues but from the
51:10police department's standpoint and the chief standpoint we were asked to look at mr de silva's ability as a business owner um to how he would handle and his character and running a business this was what was brought to my attention it was presented to the board which is why we the department felt to not go forward with a favorable review i just wanted to clarify that because i understand that it's not so much
51:34traffic violations that has absolutely nothing to do with the police department standpoint on this well like i said i the day you call me i told you it wasn't me for the for the um it was like the preview when they got the same name on me okay it is not me in this report unfortunately all i have is yeah because i me i never i never go to the liquor store
51:56always from the for the 20 april 20 april 18 to 2018 until now i got all my stack of the received i i got for the distributor okay um again i did not have an opportunity to speak with the licensing board in brockton i made a number of attempts to reach out to them i wasn't able to speak with them personally so all i have is information that i found
52:18and that's what we're going off of i mean it's something that we can certainly continue to pursue until we've had an opportunity to speak with the licensing board but this was just public information that i found that just highlighted a couple of things that the department had concerns as far as let your character for a business owner manager that was all yeah because i have the people that um the lady name is
52:37patricia she's the owner of the abcc yeah she's don't want to sign up all the license and uh violation she don't send me this letter he said anything to tell you to contact her because on yeah if you have it i would gladly take that all right okay okay well i'm going to make a a suggestion here which is probably not going to make anyone happy here at this point but again i can't
53:05i the board was provided with information today there was some information that they did not have going into this meeting we also met as quickly as we could late this afternoon with mr hathaway the building inspector okay mr hathaway would like to vet the drawings do a site visit to the building this was his request and also review the uh property across the way so while i don't while i don't
53:34want to make i don't want the board to be we're past the point there's been enough information here we're past the point where it would just be an arbitrary decision however um in deference to the building inspector he would like to personally see the outlay the seating you know all of that that's that's in there so i am going to suggest to my colleagues i mean they don't have to
53:59follow the uh suggestion but that we at least for one more month let the building inspector do what he has to do and report back to us uh with the information and again the numbers of seating and whatnot i do understand what you're telling me you've edited or you've modified the initial seating plan because i did go through that over the weekend i believe it was in excess of 160. so now you're telling
54:23me we're down to 90 90 some odds yeah i told the board that we'd be coming back with the paired down floor plan okay and i think the original numbers were just the architect or the engineer doing some calculations and trying to come up with a maximum number i don't think he put much thought into uh you know realistically how many people can you fit in the building how many people can you accommodate in a restaurant
54:50and now that number is 96 maximum yep well i'm throwing that suggestion out to my colleagues um and then and again we get glenn involved to do a site visit i am you kidding me it sounds like we had an unsuccessful tomorrow site visit the first time so i'm i'm hold on frank i'm willing to also attend with mr hathaway i mean obviously his expertise would would be um an enlightenment to me i'm
55:20not someone who's familiar with capacities and fire codes and the amount of you know what we need for spacing and whatnot um he's in full agreement okay yeah because that's not a problem i don't want to go to put the line on on a parking lot to spend any money no i understand that and i already sp i already put 18 grand on it and nothing's happening and his concerns mr the silver i don't mean to
55:46interrupt you but his concerns are also i don't believe he's done a proper vetting of the facility inside and like i said in fairness to this board i mean we were given these drawings today i don't know if they're i'm also not a tradesman i mean they don't appear to be stamped by an engineer or whatnot i'm not suggesting that's a requirement but i'd feel more comfortable with mr hathaway going through this the other
56:10suggestion um and i'll let our gentleman speak um hopefully our last speaker but um i don't know if it's customary for the for the you know and i'm just again thinking off the top of my head i don't know if it's customary for a board to take an application and then essentially try to play middleman with the hours between the neighborhood and the applicant it sounds like you know nine to midnight and one
56:44o'clock and whatnot is a bit of an a bit of an issue i have no idea whether you know if the applicant is amenable to any sort of um any sort of a um revisiting of his requests so to speak um but again you know that i mean from what i've heard from from the uh from the neighbors tonight i mean uh they are right in the sense that most restaurants don't have hours from
57:14nine in the morning till one at night so i don't necessarily think that it should be up to this board to be you know judge jury executioner so to speak and say you know what you know we're good with this particular time but maybe that is something if you if you folks choose to that may be something that you may want to look into and and and work with kerry and and
57:40you know whatever you choose to do take i think you know what i'm trying to say so take it for what it's worth um yes sir okay um colleagues any uh any emotions depending upon how many people attend the site visit we have to schedule a meeting i'll have to schedule a date and a time i don't know if the other ladies want to go as well oh yeah then i'll
58:08have one okay okay so we may we'll whatever we have right i'll speak with author and that and glenn as well and glenn as well make it known okay and because quite frankly i think the more information the um you know the better to make a determination on this matter obviously emotions are high and again i do agree we don't necessarily want to hold the applicant for the sins of the past business owners
58:34but everybody's entitled here to an ex expedited decision i understand it's been lingering since november i'm hoping at the march meeting one way or another we can come to a finality uh here so anything else can i get a motion then to yeah i i will make a motion to table this to the next meeting which is march 23rd i'll second the motion yeah you can meet with the building inspector building one secretary and
59:06conduct the proper right site visit uh so motion has been made by mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye the eyes have it motion passes we'll see everybody can get in mind we'll actually see everybody at the site visit which should be before the 23rd neighbors i'll get a date yeah okay what's up everyone
59:46um folks old and new business i don't know if we have anyone here um i should put my glasses on so again we've dealt with item a i didn't see item b is the approval and i believe kerry has said signature of the minutes from the december 15th licensing board meeting 2021.
1:00:10um can i get a motion card i'll make a
1:00:32and item c ratify the one day permit of the spirit of saints sure 219 22. make a motion to gratify the one day permit to the espirito central church which was held on the second february 19th 22 2022.
1:00:51i'll second them so motion made to ratify the day permit by uh mrs esposito seconded by miss cadero all in favor aye and the eyes have it um can i get a motion to adjourn i'll make a motion to adjourn and i'll say all in favor aye motion adjourned thanks everybody