The Community Preservation Committee (CPC) held a virtual meeting on February 24, 2022, to review several funding applications for historic preservation projects. The meeting began with the approval of the minutes from February 10, 2022, by a unanimous roll call vote. The committee then adjusted its agenda to hear the application for the Historic Saint Anne's Church Exterior Restoration first, due to a presenter's scheduling conflict. Brad Paul and Robert Goblin presented a request for $150,000 for the church's slate roof restoration, part of a larger $935,000 project, emphasizing its historical significance, community support, and economic benefits. Discussions included the project timeline, the required 30-year facade easement, and the church's role as a navigational aid and community hub, including a food pantry. The committee then reverted to its original agenda to hear three other applications. Michael LePage and architect Mike Keane presented for the Fall River Fire Museum, requesting $391,690 for window and vestibule restoration to enable the museum's public opening. They detailed the phased approach for windows, the critical need for vestibule repair, and other ongoing upgrades. Diane Carrere, Vice Principal of Antioch School, along with Mike Keane, sought $234,780 for Phase One of their exterior restoration, focusing on siding, chimney, and window sills, with a future goal of recreating the school's historic portico. Lastly, Dana, President of the Greater Fall River Art Association, and Mike Keane requested $283,140 for the east elevation restoration of the Charles Mariner Cole House, including the front porch and relocation of a fire escape, highlighting the building's role as an arts center and home to WPA artwork. Jim Sewell presented for the Fall River Preservation Society, requesting $190,000 for the Dr. Fisk House, noting this application covered all remaining CPA-appropriate projects for the property, primarily focusing on a faux slate roof and west elevation clapboard replacement. Alex Sylvia recused himself from this discussion due to his board membership with the Preservation Society. In new business, Administrative Aid Sandy Dennis announced deliberation and voting meeting dates for March 24th and March 31st, respectively, and discussed the possibility of bundling projects for bonding to secure better rates. The meeting concluded with a unanimous vote to adjourn.
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alrighty welcome to tonight's uh community preservation committee meeting virtual meeting through comcast cable channel 18 and fall river you can follow by the following forward government television at wwf rgtv facebook live or you can live stream in case of meeting conflicts for you on channel nine uh pursuant to the open meeting laws any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may
0:34transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible can i start with roll call uh john freyr here paul machado president chris oliveira here alex sylvia here carolyn auburn here uh john ferreira uh richard colton uh here uh jay burns here
1:19so tonight on zoom meeting is john grant john ferrer paul machado chris oliveira alex sylvia carolyn auburn richard cauldron jay burns and we're missing victor ferris from the park board and we also have sandy dennis administrative aid to the community preservation um do we have any citizen input tonight no no no no citizen input tonight okay can i have a motion for approval of the minutes from february 10 2022.
1:53i'll make a motion to approve the minutes from february 10th 2022.
1:58uh second i'll second okay uh roll call vote on that uh john yes paul yes uh chris yes alex yes uh carolyn yeah uh richard yes and jay you were missing so john brent yes okay when it's approved uh then we'll move on to the funding hearing um john yes can i make a motion to take one of them out of order okay is it possible to move up the um the restoration for cenian's church
2:46first because i know that one of the people that are presenting has a conflict tonight so it would be helpful to move that up first can we have a second on that one second that okay uh roll call vote on that uh john yes paul yes chris yes alex yes carolyn yes richard yes jay yes all right so first on his agenda is the historic uh saint anne's church exterior restoration uh historic for 150 000.
3:32i think we have brad paul here tonight uh it's located on south main street uh paul would you like to tell us a little about this project sure can you hear me okay all right thank you um and thanks for accommodating my schedule i was the primary author for the application i believe we're joined by mr robert goblin who's the preservation society's financial secretary the feinanz preservation society a 501c3
4:04nonprofit is the applicant just as a way of background i was born and raised in fall river and swansea and as a kid i remember driving across the bragger bridge with my family from somerset to fall river and my my visual impression of fall river was framed by on the left the towers of notre dame before it burned in the 80s just to the left of the bridge you had
4:26the old derpy high school and then you had the smokestacks of downtown and to the right the two towers of saint anne's that to me said fall river and i um i think you know that uh let me just finish and say that i moved to san francisco after college but my whole family still lives in fall over somerset in swansea and i get back there very often uh and i also in the 1970s and 80s
4:51worked for the national trust for historic preservation in their san francisco office for a number of years and i've been involved in historic preservation projects since then i think as you know saint anne's was placed on the national register of historic places in washington d.c in 1983 and there's a quote from the application i'd just like to briefly cite it says quote magnificent magnificently located
5:12facing kennedy park saint anne stands proudly as a masterpiece of architecture and a lasting tribute to generations of immigrants from french canada who built it end of quote and saint andre's is also as you know in the state registered historic places repairing restoring the exterior of the church primarily the slate roof is what we're talking about because right now leaks are compromising the
5:36structural integrity of the building and if not fixed soon could threaten its future and in proceeding with this we have three goals first is to preserve one of fall river's most architecturally and historically significant buildings one that's been a source of pride for the city since it opened 107 years ago second we want to recognize the contributions of generations of hard-working french-canadian families
5:59and mill workers immigrants who not only built saint anne's themselves but also contributed to the rapid rise of fall river as an economic and industrial powerhouse in the early 20th century and finally we believe that preserving saint ann's will contribute to flora's economic recovery by attracting thousands of visitors each year to saint anne's people who spend money in nearby restaurants hotels
6:21stores and places like battleship cove the lizzie borden bed and breakfast the foreign historical society and narrow center for the arts one of the questions in the application has to do with community support and i'd like to address that since saint anne's reopened hundreds of local volunteers have staffed the shrine before cobit it was seven days a week they've held fundraisers mopped up after
6:44floods design brochures and a capital campaign and they have donated over three hundred thousand dollars since then to preserve this unique landmark that means so much to so many people in fall river and it means that regardless of their religion or lack of it the neighborhood they grow up in or their political affiliation this is a project that really brings the people of fall river together
7:07you may have read in 2018 cnn came to fall river to do a story at the misum restaurant on the history of the fall river chow mein sandwich and hopefully a few of you saw that the owner of me some offered to donate all the proceeds from the sale of sandwiches that day to saint ants and the others to restore it when cnn's crew finished the story they stayed and volunteered for hours and one
7:30day we raised ten thousand dollars that's the kind of heartfelt support saint anses generated since the outset in terms of the budget it's 935 000 and that includes the required 10 reserved to date saint anne's preservation society itself has pledged 150 000 we've been invited to apply in about two weeks for a 250 000 grant from the national sacred places fund of the national trust for historic preservation
7:59we are hoping for 150 000 capital cpa grant from fall river these sources alone together with total 550 000 of the 935 000 we need the remaining money would come from local individuals families and businesses that have already contributed over three hundred thousand dollars to st anne's as well as going to larger donors from greater boston from northern california and elsewhere saint anne's preservation society has
8:26been responsible for the maintenance and operations of the building since signing a 10-year lease for the diocese in 2018.
8:33on average we raise about 12 000 a month from the sale of candles from gift shop sales on-site donations and fundraisers like the one i just mentioned it cost us about five thousand dollars a month to cover the ongoing operations costs operating costs and the retained maintenance costs finally you should have a letter dated january 14 and your packet from the diocese of fall river the owners of the
8:55building expressing their support for our application and their willingness to enter into a facade easement recorded with the city if we get this grant that concludes my my presentation i believe mr goblin is with us but he and i are here to answer any questions you might have it is nice to see that the 935 you really need 150 from us that's we always like to see that other grants and donations coming in
9:21uh and you're replacing with the slave roof right yes the way it works is you basically take the existing slate roof it turns out it's in much better shape than we thought so you remove it and where the valleys come together from two sides of the sloping roof is where most of the damage is so you go inside there and repair the woodwork that's been damaged you replace a new moisture
9:40barrier and you put the original slate back up there so we're not changing materials which if you're familiar with the secretary of interior standards for store preservation that's one of their key findings whenever you can use the original material replace it with the original take it off repair it and put it back that's what i'd like to do if any of the board members have a question just raise your hand and i'll
10:04call on you uh john um just a quick question as part of the repair on the valleys uh isn't that a copper flashing that's uh on top of the vapor barrier usually then the squig i believe so unless there's some uh other materials you won't see it from once it's done so i think copper is what they used to use i don't know if that's what they still suggest or if there's some better material now
10:33but that's my understanding when i've seen copper roofs when i've seen slate rips taken off this often that green copper and there's places along the v there the valley anyone else any questions alex hello um i see that uh in your the funding section of your application that you're anticipating on uh raising around three hundred thousand dollars to complete the roof project is that correct
11:07i mean in addition to the three grants yeah the money from the preservation society from the cpa grant from fall river and from the national grant that's correct okay and it says for your timeline that you're hoping to begin this fall 2022 is that also still correct actually the capital campaign sort of the local part of the capital campaign is going to begin very soon as a brand
11:30new brochure that's just been designed but in terms of the funding that comes from not only the cpa funds from fall river but also the national funds we can't spend the money or begin the work until until the grants have been approved so we're going to have about a six-month campaign uh and hopefully have all the money we need by the time we sign agreements for the cpa grant and for the national grant
11:54okay because i was just wondering how the timing would work because for our grants you can't start the work until the grant is awarded and finalized so i was just wondering how your timing would work with the fundraising and when you anticipated well the rule that you have is the same one the national fund has you cannot spend any money so we have scheduled so we're going to do the bulk of the
12:15fundraising between now and that point in time so when we um the national grant gives you half the money up front and half the money when you're done so we're going to have to time it so we have more than just the grants to get started okay um and for the i saw seeing the diocese uh letter of support that they meant they say they're willing to consider the facades and
12:41i just want to point out that it is a requirement so it has to be a little bit more than willing uh if the grant was awarded uh and i was just wondering what their understanding was on how long that would be and what they were what they were willing to accept i wrote a page and a half memo to them on what a facade easement involves and what it doesn't involve but it's really
13:01about the exterior of the church it's about preserving it so that people put money into it that the the building wouldn't be torn down in 10 years for a parking lot or radically changed they understood that i explained to them that it doesn't have anything to do with what happens on the interior of the church because that's not covered by this grant or the national grant and they are they what they said is
13:22they're willing to do it if we get the grant they don't want to spend a lot of time and have their lawyers draw things up unless they know we're gonna get the grant and uh what did they say what range uh time-wise they were willing to accept traditionally i think we've gone with 30 30-year uh restrictions is that that was that was the number i used i said at least 30 years
13:44okay because i know before your organization was formed when there was kind of speculation about the fate of scenic church a lot of people were worried about its potential destruction so i was just wondering uh what the diocese thoughts were you know 30 years out if they if they were willing to do that eason but it sounds like they're under they understand that 30 years is what we would be aiming part of it is
14:08they understand that if we do this quality restoration of the exterior of the building particularly the roof the building will stand for another 30 to 50 years without any more investment in that so i think that gives them the the comfort to be able to do that okay we called on 10 years from now to spend another quarter million dollars or a half a million dollars on the building once we complete this work
14:30the exterior of the building will be in really good shape for quite a while to come okay thank you any other questions oh thank you mr paul um i want to ask a couple of questions so that the record is clear um your organization has a 10-year lease yes yes okay what does that mean when they met with the bishop initially i think in 20 the end of 2017 they proposed taking over the running
15:10and operating of it the cost of the church to maintain it in perpetuity he didn't know whether to be able to succeed or not but he believed they were both sincere and they were well intentioned and they had a good chance of doing that so he said to begin with i'll give you a 10 year lease to see if you can do it my understanding is that if we're successful that lease could get extended
15:31without much trouble because from their point of view as the owner you've got somebody who's willing to operate it cover the operating costs do all the restoration work it's a win-win from the property owner's point of view okay during that period of time are there going to be any uh passes held at the church there they have occasionally masses now in order to maintain it as a church i
15:54believe there have to be two a year but the church was open pre-coveted seven days a week and people go in and out of there all the time and i just have to say um i my father grew up in corky row and i spent a lot of time in cork hero and i went into the church i'm not myself catholic i just believe it's a beautiful building it needs to be preserved but i used to
16:15work in the tenderloin in san francisco which is like imagine the corky road today ten times bigger and five times worse and that's what the tenderloin was like and i worked there day in and day out to make it a better neighborhood and i lived in the neighborhood and there were times when i was at my wit's end just physically emotionally whatever and i would go to a church around the corner saying church and i
16:36would sit in the quiet in that church it was just a beautiful space it was very quiet and i recharged my batteries it wasn't a religious thing it was just a beautiful place to sit in the quiet and i know people who are not catholic who go into saint anne's all the time for that they just like to experience the beauty of the architecture and i think that's the interior of the
16:54church again what we're talking about is preserving the exterior which is something that every person who lives in the city of fall river and everyone who drives by or passes by gets to enjoy you don't have to be in the church to enjoy the architecture and history of it um there's also an indication that you said you talked about the number of tourists that this building attracts could you explain that more
17:18sure there's uh there was a study done um there's been number studies done about tourism and why people come different places and as people learn about saint anne's and hear about it you may have seen the story in the boston globe about two years ago about the effort of residents of the city to preserve it and all the work that went into it and it's inspired people in san francisco where there was a church that
17:40had been closed and they went to the the archdiocese made a similar proposal and way to hear back on that so i think people love the architecture of saint anne's it's a part of the history of the city of how the city was built by immigrants from surrounding neighborhoods and people go on tours all the time i do it in cities whenever i go i go on a tour of the major landmarks downtown
18:03st anne's is one of them uh the academy building in downtown is another one and so as people walk around they get thirsty they get hungry they see something in a store window a sweater that they like and they spend money and usually if they're coming someplace for a couple of days hopefully people will come down for a tour of the city for a show at the narrow center for the arts
18:23maybe a tour of battleship cove and they'll be spending nights in a either a hotel or an airbnb and spending money in fall river and that money will circulate and benefit the city okay and uh when was the church built it was actually built between i believe it's 1893 and 1905 it was built over time the residents of the community and the members of the parish would put together as much money as they could they'd build
18:48as much until they ran out of money they raised money more and they built it and actually the french canadian immigrants were a number of the people who built the church were the french canadian immigrants who lived in the neighborhood or went to the church okay and um do you know of um you know any historic connections about who attended um were there any significant events held at the church that were
19:20personally i don't personally but if you go on the um saint anne's preservation society website they have an incredible like eight-part history of the neighborhood in the church and and i i wish i could remember the names in there but it's a very interesting history not just of saint anne's but the neighborhood around it and how the city developed during those period period of time and i recommend anyone going on
19:47it's on the saint anne's uh preservation society website and it's i think it's up to eight chapters now i just read the first seven a little while ago the other thing that people have told me and i've heard this from a number of people is that ever since the building was built those towers it's one of the highest points in fall river and the tops of those towers i believe are 160 feet high
20:09people in the uh on the taunton river and in mount hope bay have used it as a navigation aid and the most recent story i heard is that when helicopters are medevacing patients to saint anne's hospital their approach is they kind of fly in toward a point between the two steeples go just over that and then drop into kennedy park so that they can come out and take people out of the helicopters
20:31and take them to the hospital so it's been a major navigational aid for both water and air for a while now yeah can anybody hear me this is bob garvin yeah yeah hi yeah uh one one uh uh you know historic thing that happened was in 1911 when uh i played with president taft visited for the cotton uh centennial um president taft was on the steps of saint anne's at the beginning of the parade um
21:03um you know when that happened so uh you know president taft was because if you look at the stairs in front um it's a it's a great stage for uh you know having a lot of people and um so i i believe president there's pictures of president taft there on the on the stage any further questions i just want to make a comment i asked those questions because i because of the um
21:36past supreme judicial court's decision the acting case um so what i wanted to do was i wanted to make sure that we considered factors that the court has found appropriate in cpa funding of religious structures um i think it would make a good um it would make good sense for us to maybe download the um the website materials about the history and have that as part of our documentation okay good idea
22:13and i think i think you raised a good question about the the different court cases i checked the cpa website and there are a number of churches in the commonwealth i think the biggest one or the biggest grant was i believe it was newton's center there's an episcopal church where they gave them like a million one a million two and the way i understand how it's worked out over time is as long as it's part of
22:34a church that's only the exterior it's visible to everyone in the community that's part of the history of the community you don't have a problem it's when you cannot fund a restoration of the interior of an active church you just can't do that but if it's just the exterior and it's an historic and architectural landmark that seems to be the threshold that people look at there there are a number of uh grants
22:59that have been made to religious buildings um but you also know that there was litigation involving one fund uh one funding amount to the church in acting and that resulted in the sjc decision and they provide some guidance about what is necessary or appropriate for the cpa consider and that's why i ask the questions about the history um you know the navigational rules etc i just want to add uh we also there's
23:34also a food pantry here so every saturday morning uh from uh from 10 to 12 uh people line up and uh they give them you know bread and cereal and you know canned goods and things like that so that happens every every single week how many people do you have come to the uh food pantry it's it's usually 30 or 50.
24:00sorry how did you hear that he said it's only 30 to 50 people that go to the food pantry thank you thank you what is the rectory used for directory uh is not part of this uh it's actually uh a residence for you know all the directory was um uh i know that non-profit took it over um and they have low income housing there and things like that uh and it was
24:30redone uh for housing so it's really a housing unit and it's really uh has nothing to do with us anymore it's just right next door okay thank you any other further questions all right well brad and bob thanks for uh coming thank you thank you for having us all righty thanks let's see next on the agenda we're back to uh forward fire museum repair items required to open to the general public
25:02they're looking for a store for 391 690 i think michael page is here john we have to make a motion to go back to the original agenda oh okay can i have a motion to go back to the original i'll make the motion to go back to the original agenda and start with not number one the way we have it listed okay can i have a second on that okay we get a second john yes paul
25:34yes chris yes alex yes caroline yeah richard yes jay yes john yes okay so we go back to the original agenda which was the forward fire museum repair items required to open to the general public it was 391 690. we have michael lepage here and that's on uh located on north main street mike you want to tell us a little uh about your project sure uh good evening cpc members appreciate you taking the time to listen
26:14uh also i believe mike keane the architect is also with us so um i prepared this application hoping that we'll finally get this project open we looked at it in terms of what the what the museum's needs are to directly impact the opening of the fire museum and as you see in my application we have secured other funding and other projects through the years we've come a long way and we're pretty close now
26:49but one of the biggest hindrances right now is the windows i'm sort of working from the top down with a with a new roof and then you know the brick work was done and now the windows need to be done and i kind of split the project up into two pieces windows that directly impact the fire museum and then the windows that are the remaining windows that wrap the building and uh the the other
27:21tenant if you're aware is the uh form of animal control um they occupy the first floor on the police side the former police substation side so i'm obviously it's my hope to get the the full funding but if money is not going to allow that to happen i sort of broke it up on appendix 7.
27:47you can see the numbers on the project page um phase one five side of the building with the 170 thousand dollars and the remaining of the windows on the police side is 160 000 and then there's architectural fees and contingency fees in that that's why i came out with the 393 690 and the flying museum is kicking in a couple thousand dollars of our own money into that i did recently you see in here
28:23where i also have vestibule restoration um that was only just step back it's been very difficult with the pandemic to try to get any kind of um estimates or quotes or anything it seems like people really sick or they don't have the manpower to come out look um very very difficult um i finally was able to secure uh heritage restoration gave me a quote for forty thousand dollars to restore the entrance vestibule on the
28:55west side of the museum you have the main entrance that services the fire museum and the animal control it's a wooden structure with a copper roof um and then there was also an additional amount in there for a side window but we've already restored that window so it would just be the 40 000.
29:13so no matter how the committee um would like to um look at this i'm looking at you know possibly um best case the 393 690 plus the 40 000 um or perhaps the 170 to address the fireside phase one plus the 40. um and uh and i can certainly do a revised budget i i had prepared one but i wasn't sure if i dropped it off if you would receive it in time i was going
29:49to do an updated appendix 7 and an updated application to reflect the numbers mike you can mike you can email that to me if you want okay thank you sandy so i don't know what the will of the committee would be but that that's sort of kind of how i'm looking at it and then um if we if there isn't any funding for the windows on the police side that
30:19would be a project in the future that we would tackle but we're trying to get an exterior envelope of the building secured and then along with other interior projects we already finished the second floor handcap bathroom work on the first floor handicap bathroom we've had a security system eight camera a six camera system donated to the museum we just had a 25 000 fire alarm system donated to the museum
30:46that's fully installed being fully installed um they're waiting on parts and um so i've secured about fire protection i'll have the bathroom upgrades be pretty close to getting the museum open at that point so so you're working right now you're working on a roof uh i think you're just looking at different types of uh slate to put on jingles uh we did repointing already right so the
31:15outside except for the windows you'd be complete right outside the brickwork we did um two sides complete top to bottom totally um we pointed and repaired replace uh bricks were needed the other remaining sides the south and the east side were just holes were filled and um it made it weather type but we didn't do a total restoration top to bottom but it's keeping the weather out so
31:46the east side that's uh on the park side the park side and the side facing the screen does the board have any questions raise your hand and i'll
32:05uh mike i was just wondering what the stat like with the current timeline or the statuses of the ongoing roof project from the previous grant um just if you have like a time table for that or um i could shoot that question over with the mike here because he's just had several meetings on that we've got another one coming up we've had we're gonna have tomorrow about the snowstorm coming
32:28i'm gonna put it off another week but um we're down to selecting materials um so i'm hoping that that project's gonna get moving this summer as soon as the weather warms up sure sure so um i could speak a little bit about that so we end up getting our approval um i want to say back in november to proceed um and so you know after the holidays we started in on it
32:54because we have a backlog of work so um we did complete our site survey and documenting existing conditions and uh a drone survey as well um we drafted the existing conditions we've also started our demolition drawings for the removal of the existing asphalt roof system um and some of the details so the next step is as mike just mentioned we met about two weeks ago um and so we're looking at roof materials now
33:31we're having a discussion about you know an appropriate roof material for the building so we're looking at various options and weighing multiple things um so as mike mentioned that the meeting we had scheduled for tomorrow to sort of uh look at these samples that have come into our office but that's going to be postponed until next friday so and once we have a consensus on the roof
33:55material um we'll start to move forward with our you know design documents but instead of on hold until we make a decision on what type of material or roof system we're all in agreement on now the windows you refurbishing them or are they going to be brand new so i did quite a bit of research on that and um there were two major companies there was one um out of providence which is the one
34:22that's quoted in the application and then there was another one that was um actually in swansea so the way both of those companies work they both are prevailing wages they are both um historic restoration contractors um the way it works is in both cases they have a general contractor who's also you know certified and he'll go in there with a lift and what he needs to do to remove the sash or sashes
34:55from the windows take them off site to the window restoration company that's doing the work and they will completely dismantle the window strip it down repair it give it two coats of primer new glazing replace put the glass back in replace any broken glass with sort of period-looking glass and two coats of top coat paint and then the sashes get delivered back to the museum in the meantime um the the
35:30general contractor that pulls the windows out would obviously have to plywood up the hole but in the meantime he would be responsible for painting and repairing the window frames that are in the building reinstalling the sash once they come back and make them operable you know with weights and cords and all that stuff so it's you got you got you know the general contractor doing some of the work and then you get the
35:58off-site work being done by a different source but they're both um qualified to do it so and we're really looking forward to it i think it's going to really make the brick pop because the brick if you've been by there it looks it looks really nice i mean the west facade in the north facade um i think once uh once the that trim those windows get done um we're thinking about like a dark
36:21green pink which just was original to the building it's to look nice any other further questions uh richard give me a great proposal by the way um i just have a question um so there's actually so you you broke it down into two phases um if we were to just do um partial funding with the two phases um there's also architectural fees and a contingency of ten percent uh any of those price incorporated
36:53already in phase one and phase two the architectural fees i believe mike can correct me i believe that's to do the whole thing into all of the windows and then the contingency is based on a percentage of the total amount so the ten percent if you do the right so um whatever the committee decides um i could certainly send the sandy and updated application for appendix 7 showing the vestibule and then if you
37:26want i can break the math down a little bit easier for you to look at so that you know i can i can break it out or if you want to do the windows and the vestibule on the fireside to get the museum open this is what it'll be and if you want to go the full thing do all the windows and the vestibule this is what it'll be
37:45okay i think that would be helpful if um if the committee was to receive what the architectural fees would be if it was in two phases because that that'll determine the exact number of funding so incorporating let's say with phase one it's 170 000 then it'll be more than 170.
38:06yeah i i don't know that i would see you know uh to be quite honest a significant reduction in our fee and and i'll i'll say the reason why is that we are not doing the physical um you know repair work or installation work so as from a design standpoint when we draw you know typical window types and there are multiple window types um you know whether it's one or three it really doesn't matter
38:34for for our standpoint and as far as you know the bidding part of it and the construction administration part of it the ca piece of it construction administration that's probably where it might reduce uh slightly but um as far as the submittal reviews that we go through the process of you know interacting with the contractors that really doesn't change a whole lot so it may be some on the the ca or the
39:02construction administration side right because it's probably going to be fewer site visits if we're only doing you know one portion of the building versus the entire building so but we could look at that right i i understand i just wanted to just kind of just clarify it yeah that's it good point thank you uh any other further questions i just wanted to add the uh the vestibule um once that gets restored that's gonna
39:36have to be pulled apart basically and rebuilt um with historic appropriate materials where needed some of the wood is rotted um but that thing is in danger of collapsing right now so you can't just slap some paint on and call it you know done so um it's that's why that price is is pretty high on that one but uh again that's enough that's a a very historic feature for the front of that building
40:01uh the flint fire station on um pleasant street had one um and uh freedom street station also had one alex you had a question yeah i was just wondering i find your timeline for the project i know it's understandably kind of loose but i was just wondering if you were envisioning it this project would the should the grant be awarded uh progressing concurrently with the roof project are
40:28you kind of planning on that or if that happens would it impact one project adversely
40:44i don't think so um if you know if they were to happen separately i don't see that one would adversely affect you know one over the other quite honestly i understand that as the general contractor like i mentioned he'll he'll bring a lift on site and so he'll be pretty mobile to work around the roofing contractors um if need be he could work on the side there not on and things like that
41:17the actual repair work the majority of it is going to happen off site you know uh they're going to take it back to their shop and do the restoration there you know we'll do an inspection you know of the work before they bring it back to the site you know just as we would typically go to you know uh the the contractor's shop to inspection you know to do an inspection first um
41:41but no i don't see that would conflict with a schedule for the roof project uh any other further questions all right mike thanks for uh telling us about your project thanks committee members appreciate the time thank you all right next up is uh antioch school exterior restoration phase one for stors 23478 we have diane carrere uh vice principal with us tonight and that's located on rock street
42:21ryan would you like to tell us about the project hi uh nice to meet you all uh our project um we're doing in two phases um our main goal is to have our portico put back um it had to be um demolished uh it's a good 17 18 years ago uh termite damage uh electrical water damage so it was it was taken down um we are noticing when we started talking about putting the protocol back
42:52um we started noticing uh obviously we need our siding replaced or appeared uh but when mike came by with his drones he also noticed some um chimney damage um that needs to be replaced uh our window wood sidings are starting to rot especially on the third floor um so he kind of when we sat down and talked about it talked about um putting it in two phases first getting the building up
43:19to code uh in that sense and then um second phase being putting our portico in the school's been there since 1978 i've been there for 22 years now mr frost our principal who's also here has been at the school for 21 years we are a private non-denominational uh we are an advanced curriculum school um in our reputation has been we are located in the highlands and people know that or small home-like environment
43:55our students thrive with that we are our classroom sizes do not exceed 12.
44:05unfortunately the last couple of years covid our numbers have been down so we haven't been able to do any repairs whatsoever um but in the past what we do is we budget we put things together and we take it from there when we replace the backyard we did our fencing in the back we do a wall retainer in the back um electrical needed to be upgraded a few years back uh our roof things of that nature
44:31windows um so we're hoping to take the initiative and start on this project only because our fear is if we wait too long things start to deteriorate even more the more you touch the more you find um that type of thing um we did send pictures of the different locations of the chimney and the siding and the window sills and things of that nature and we did have old pictures of the
44:57particle before it was four down in the packet also i don't know if mike wanted to add anything else would i i would like to just say a few things um if i could would it be possible to share my screen as i did at the last meeting okay so to diane's point um this is a photo that was taking about what 20 years or so ago diane yeah about 20
45:33of that portico that we had talked about and we did talk about this at the last meeting the initial uh meeting the eligibility application so really the the first project that the school wanted to take on was to recreate this but my feeling was that the rest of the building is in a substantial need of restoration meeting the siding and some of the windows as well so um what we'd love to see happen is to sort
46:06of look at the building in its entirety first and then at a later date come back you know and look at recreating the portico they i gotta say i've got a few photographs here again some were included in the application but they have dozens of photos and a lot of close-up shots detail shots that i think we can do a fateful recreation but just to be clear this is not what we're submitting for uh right
46:33now at this time so you know a lot of the detail work um we can get some measurements um based off of these photos i think pretty accurately so uh and today anne's point the roof was replaced down say about five years or so ago is that correct five or six years ago maybe now 2018 yeah okay so it's it's recent so we're not looking to do anything with the roof um there is
47:05some minor repointing that would need to be done um a lot of the original details which by the way the the house was constructed in 1895 um it is on the fall river register of historic places as well as the nationals part of the uh the highlands historic district um so the details uh for the most part um some of them are still there and we want to make sure that they stay there uh
47:36so some of these can be restored through um a consolidation process which we've done before um and also there's some areas here on the south side which have been vinyled over we'd like to remove that and bring it back to you know a wood siding wood shingle siding type of a finish and so you know some additional details which i think we can replicate this is the east side so we think we can you
48:07know replicate replicate these pretty faithfully on the west side where it's deteriorated substantially so um and as far as the the rest of the building um as i see here this there's some repointing that needs to be done some of the vegetation that's within the mortar joints that will be removed the masonry cleaned and and repointed accordingly most of the brick units are in good
48:34shape so i don't think we really need to do much in the way of brick replacement um however you know if need be we can do that as uh again try to get as close a match as we can to the original so um fortunately some of the uh the granite areas where the porkochee were you can see the outline of uh of those and so we've got a good
49:00sense of of where they were and the dimensions of those we've already taken so we could recreate those at a later date possibly so that's essentially the project it's a it's an exterior restoration of of the building and so that's sort of the level of the deterioration of the of the siding so i would like to mention too that school is a non-profit if i know that was mentioned in the
49:32application but just so everyone is aware of that as well this is the uh antioch they own the building i'm sorry john do they own the building yes the parents correct oh i'm sorry all right so a deed restriction need restriction would be no problem not at all okay all righty uh does the board have any questions i don't see everybody because the uh picture up on the screen so if anyone has any questions just go
50:21ahead and ask i've got a couple of questions john okay go ahead john mike any uh couple of things on the uh i noticed that you said the granite was missing is that uh part of what's going to be replicated or is that stored somewhere for the protocols it's not it's not stored somewhere um the the granite that is there okay would remain uh whatever's left over would remain so
50:50what we'd like to see happen is part of the phase 2 project is to is to recreate that poke with share which would be also the base of the foundation system so but i just want to make sure it's clear it's we didn't consider it as part of this phase i just really felt that or we really felt that uh the main building is really the priority and to do you know
51:12something as far as a recreation of that poor crochet while everything else is sort of deteriorating um you know that really is where the main priority should be you know while those original details are still there and still present um you know we thought those were it was best to save those as best we can and preserve them as any of the uh any portion of the building dormers or um the site uh either any side
51:41have they been uh re-shingled at all or is that all the original shingles because they're all look like white cedars yeah yeah they do and i know some areas have been vinyled over i don't know you know how old they are actually are um my guess is at some point they were you know they were removed in some sense yeah i believe when they painted they did replace some um that were either
52:05missing or totally deteriorated um but some of it is still some of the older i believe on the second floor not the third floor the dormers some of them um they had to replace a lot of the shingles because that was totally um there was no shingles at one point um but that was back in 2000 2001 when i first started um they were replaced trying to paint and replace gradually and that was all done through
52:34families um at that point um so it really hasn't been touched since michael is your intent to go back with white cedars red cedars what what are we looking at it would go back to a cedar shingle you know siding you know it's what the what the intent i think we need to go back to and look at some of the historic photos that we've been able to find the sum2 that we found
53:00that are on the scholarship calendar um that we were looking at as well so i think we need we need to spend some time actually doing some design work uh what we have done uh for for the school is we've done a complete survey of the building we've measured everything we've drafted all the exterior elevations so that piece of it we've done for them already so they're sort of a bit ahead in that sense so um
53:29have they have the windows been redone they were placed uh back in 2016.
53:40um it was like a two-year and they're not the original and you said you were gonna you're gonna survey the uh the brickwork because i know on your slide on a one chimney we had a little plant growing there i don't know yeah so some of that that that will have to come out and uh some repointing um we're not seeing any shifting in the masonry which is good we're not seeing
54:03any you know major brick replacement that's needed it's just some uh repointing that we're seeing uh but it's not significant at this point at least from what we could see from the drone survey so um yeah how about the foundation where the spread spray foam has been uh added yeah that's something we've got to look at as well so i don't know it was historical on that no right right thank you anyone else any questions
54:42all righty i'm diane thanks for uh presenting your project well thank you so much for having us thank you thank you uh next up is dr fisk house uh historic uh 190 000 we have jim sewell here and that's working from five street john the odd association's next sorry about that my eyesight here uh it's uh the greater art association on uh east elevation restoration for 283 140 we have die diana donna
55:21uh that's located on uh belmont street you'd like to tell us about your project you're muted dana you're muted am i okay now you're okay now okay thank you um i'm the president of the greater fall river art association and i have ronald gagnon with me and he is the chairman of the house committee um for this organization and i know mike keane is is on this call too um what we're what we're looking at
55:50doing um the charles mariner coal house is is home to the greater fall river art association um it's at 80 belmont and um the house was built in 1904 and charles mirror nicole was a south of his seaman and i have um included in the packet all of the history that his great-grandson has put together for you know as part of his um uh genealogy but he came up and gave a wonderful uh talk
56:19about his family and how he himself has ties to this community he's related to the hargraves who had the big mills here in town um he's also related to the mcleans and the coals um that are charles mariner coal are part of the coals associated with the coal um the coal river and the uh the coals over and twisted so he has he has a huge um connection to the city um and he
56:50presented us with a wonderful documentation of the history of this house um this house um what uh what we're looking to do is the front porch is in dire need of of of um renovation it's the main entrance to this building um the porch the columns the granite all are suffering from from from age there's a lot of water damage we had some some bug damage which we have um you know contracted out to have
57:19uh like the big blue bug comes and does their thing for us so we're we're looking to have the front porch done and have the front that's the that's the the that's what you first see when you walk into um into our building is this beautiful front porch we have beautiful art exhibits in the summertime out on the porch people come walking by come up and take a look then they go inside the historic building itself
57:45the other part that we'd like to do is to shift the fire escape from the front to the back or some other location on the house i know mike can probably talk a little more about where that might get shifted but you know it's it doesn't add any anything wonderful to the architecture of the house the art association has been in the city since 1957 we have owned this house it was gifted
58:12to us we own it outright um um in 1969 so we've been part of the community for a long time we not only have galleries inside the building that we show monthly art shows we are also home to 10 artists and residents we are a welcoming and open community that you know people can come and feel safe pursuing their passions of whatever their art happens to be we also conduct classes
58:43uh we have been filling our classes it seems that kovit has brought out all the artists in this city and in the surrounding communities so our our kids classes are filling rapidly our adult classes are filling rapidly and our our specialty classes are are taking off as well so we are we are in um so excited about all of that but that all gets housed inside this beautiful building
59:10the other thing that the city is is um that the organization is honored to have is we have 40 pieces of works progress art that are on permanent um display here in the building it's in our grand staircase uh the smithsonian institution has granted us permission to have these on permanent display hanging where people can see them and enjoy them and um they are a a a part of history that that
59:42a lot of them have been have been lost um you know they're not these were not artists who actually saved for john uh jackson pollard or john singer john singer sergeant most of these artists were just working people working artists like we have in the building right now and they produced a lot of art franklin roosevelt thought that they should be paid for their art and that art should be displayed prominently in
1:00:06public buildings so that's that's how artists made their money during the depression so we we are a small organization but we have a lot of really wonderful volunteers who love this house and we recognize that we as a group of volunteers are limited as to what as to the things we can do i mean we can't to be honest we can't go out and put a a porch on but we can
1:00:33certainly maintain what we what we do and and we have done so our main galleries our main floor are all redone the wood the those um plaster walls the bookcases the the fireplaces the ceilings all done we finished the second floor the same way and now we're working on um on the third floor um we're we're working on the studios that uh doing renovations to them so that they can all
1:01:01be rented out we have a few empty studios at this time uh when when an artist moves out we do the renovation at that time so that we can make each studio a um something that somebody wants to come in and do and and we um we are we are looking for some help in order to maintain this beautiful home we also have some of the most amazing stained glass windows in this building which we are
1:01:28honored to have our window system itself in the building is all ropes and pulleys there are some exterior storm windows that have been done but for the interior they're all ropes and pulleys and some of those cathedral glasses are still the wavy glass of the of the time period um we have um we have in the building mrs mrs nelly makeol was an artist and we have in our building some of her artwork
1:01:59she painted the beautiful fireplace in one of our studios and she also painted the tiles in the bathroom so her work races are building too and um you know we um we're raising money to do these things we have a fundraiser that is an ongoing event um effort on our part called the spindles and columns um we've raised twenty five hundred dollars right excuse me three thousand dollars for that right now and we
1:02:24we just had an art auction to benefit this this uh our capital fund to the tune of twenty five hundred dollars so we're even in the middle of covid when everything is we're struggling mightily to get you know funding we're we're still finding ways to to raise the rate of money but we could certainly um use some of the help from the from the community preservation group mike do you want to add anything
1:02:52mike on the uh can i just ask the question uh when the fire escapes or is that going to make code when you move them i guess you're gonna check that out yeah do you mind if again uh if i just share my screen with you i can just call up a few photos just so everyone can see you know what what is it we're talking about um sure so the fire escape that dana mentioned
1:03:19again this is um what we're proposing is a restoration of the east facade which is really the public facade of the art association so yes john to answer your question um for for us um you know to fully restore the start with the east elevation uh and still have that fire escape there is is an eyesore um so we still we've got to look at code right and see where we might be
1:03:47able to relocate it but i will say that just a block or two away on highland avenue there was a historic house that we restored um maybe two or three years ago now and it was a complete restoration of the building and we relocated the fire escape which is on the public side the highland avenue side to one of the side elevations but it just means we need to look at the egress for that upper floor
1:04:16and find a suitable location and of course review with the uh with the city inspectors first so but that is the goal that's part of that we did include an allowance for relocating that based on the project that we did just a few blocks away
1:04:38and i can just cycle through some some other photos too feel free if anyone has any any questions i do know you've maintained the inside of the building uh it was very nice i've only been on the first floor in the stairway cases very pretty thank you for having me does the board have any questions john uh just a curious question was there a widow watch on there by any chance mike at one time no um
1:05:11i don't know that's a good question usually if you look at the red house on the side they're usually widow watchers up there right i don't think so are you offering to throw that in too john i know right now all right i just thought i'd ask um so no so what where we are right now with so so we put our proposal together but we've done uh you know and again these
1:05:41are all volunteer organizations the non-profit organizations you know the fire museum antioch and this you know non-profit so we were sensitive to that so we um we've gone in here as well and surveyed the existing conditions and we've drafted the existing conditions so the next step really for us is to really start to get into the historic um research of the of the property so um
1:06:07there could have been at one point but i think we just need to take a look at that and maybe that could be something you know as a as a future project right we're just looking up for just asking for the east elevation because that's the one that we feel is in in the most need of restoration so um but just to kind of cycle through a few photos that uh i think most are in
1:06:31you know the package or the application that went to you so there there would be a need for masonry restoration some repointing where some of the granite foundation has shifted a bit uh as dana mentioned the columns um as well so they've split they're deteriorating uh just kind of go quickly through this for you but this is i think this has even opened up quite a bit more since we took
1:07:00this photo this i think it was probably last summer sometime when we took it um but it's deteriorated even further so um so we're sort of looking for assistance with you know all the care that the association has taken with the interior and there's been a lot of you know hours that have been put into this uh to take care of the interior but if this is just something that's beyond their their
1:07:24capabilities to do and it's it's sad to see you know this this this be this way you know but i can tell you it's not for a lack of effort on their part or you know or trying to fundraise so i see you're going to try and save some of the spindles on the porch yeah yeah wherever we can you know it's going to be looking at trying to save
1:07:53what we can you know and some of it we won't be able to unfortunately but you know we'll we'll get as close as we can to a recreation of what's there you can use one on september so i'll close out of the photos if anyone else has any other questions any more questions
1:08:26yes my last name is barnes b-a-r-n-e-s thank you thank you ready well thank you for the presentation tonight thank you very much thank you everyone all right moving on to the next one uh is the doctor fist house uh historic for a hundred and ninety thousand dollars jim stools here from forward preservation society that's located on pine street jim you want to tell us what you're doing tonight we're out so you had a
1:08:58question can i just say i'm on the board of directors of the preservation site so i'm going to recuse myself i'll just shut off my computer screen for you okay i'm really glad that alex recused himself and shot his screen off because he's a big problem you know he's just so annoying he's a big problem um so uh most of you probably are very familiar with the building but in brief
1:09:24i want to say i i think you know about the historical background on the building uh cpa has been very supportive of our work on this house we have had uh extra monies for the projects including grants from bristol county savings bank at baycost bank we financed some of it ours self 100 000 or so uh and we've completed a lot of work uh this application what i did was um
1:09:58you know actually i talked to john brandt last year about how some of the projects like ours you know we come back year after year we're asking for some more money some more money um and so i kind of re-thought the way i set my application this year what i did this year was i put all the projects that i thought were cpa appropriate for this house there's a bunch of other work that this
1:10:29house wants and needs but this is the scope that i think uh there's nothing else i would be coming back to the cpa for what here is is everything and that way you know what we're looking at uh possibly from the cpa that being said uh i i did separate on the application into three phases and clearly definitely the priority for us is the roof um we had it surveyed
1:11:02they couldn't tell how old it was they figured it was more than 40 years old we do have active leaks uh although it looks amazingly good uh for 40 years old but it is leaking and what we want to do because the roof is part of the architectural style and historical component of the house we want to do it in a faux slate um we consulted with an area architect about what what the correct
1:11:35product was whether it would have been uh uh cedar or slate in the because of the age 1830s it really could have been either way uh the problem with going with real slate would be that would probably have to reinforce the rafters could be a much bigger project but the faux slate some of the good folk slates they definitely seem to qualify under secretary of interior standards um i have like a couple of the
1:12:10styles here they're they're really cool they have like a a rubber bendable and so they're not like the early plastic ones that break and uh and our biggest problem right now to be honest is we had two estimates and they were way far apart one was in the 60s and one was in the 90s and we are waiting for two more estimates to come in the guys i talked to one of the guys did
1:12:39uh has done a couple of preservation roofs for um for whale uh and so i just think that because our estimates are so far apart i would feel a lot better having some more estimates to make sure that we're in the uh right ballpark and everything is being considered including the products that we're looking for what's on the roof now jim just uh regular shingles regular
1:13:16asphalt you're gonna be placing some uh clapboard on the side yeah the uh the west elevation is weird i don't know what happened to it but anyone can drive by walk by and look and see that there was some type of damage at some point in time and somebody who was probably actively drinking slapped up new clapboard and they're all like um wibbly wobbly uh and it's they're in poor shape
1:13:49um the rest of the house is actually not bad it's gonna need to be painted soon but the west side is so bizarre it really needs to be replaced um does the board have any questions
1:14:08all right jim you explained everything pretty well you guys made my night easy thank you i'm glad you put everything in this year thank you i mean the buildings uh i mean to me that's what uh cpa is seeing that building done i mean it's gonna be like lafayette house and that's one of the reasons i like to see a complete project i know it really pops out yeah lafayette therapy looks fantastic so we
1:14:39would like to be look as good as that although it has come a long way and the portico which you guys paid for was completed uh last month and it came out fantastic yes the front windows and shutters are going to be installed within the next two months also and so uh please feel free to drive by they're gonna look uh phenomenal thanks thanks for the presentation thank you all righty
1:15:09uh do we have any new business john could i just can i just say a couple of things um just a couple of dates for the committee the deliberation meeting is going to be march 24th and then the meeting to vote to recommend to the council is march 31st okay those dates have been booked for these two meetings um if anybody needs any further information from any of the projects this is the time to get
1:15:43it so that you can bring it to the deliberation meetings so all the committee members can gather that same information just send it to me and i'll make sure that i get it out to everybody uh jim seeing that you're still on the call when you get your other two quotes just email them to me and then i'll fold them on to the committee as i get information from any of the
1:16:09projects i'll get the website and the boston globe article from brad paul i'll forward it to all of you and then anything else that you all think you need let me know and i'll try to get it from the projects and forward it to all of you but feel free to go and call your applicants and visit the sites and gather as much information as you can before the meeting for the 24th
1:16:36also we did have a meeting with uh ed the treasurer and seth uh the administrative assistant for the mayor which was pretty well pretty good uh we talked about uh bonding so if we have a few projects we want to look at that we can use that as our option they were up for that so uh other than that i think we're and just just one thing one just one thing john mentioned we did meet with
1:17:00the treasury and you can bundle you can bundle your bonding projects so if you have more than one projects this year and you want to bundle them in a bond i'm going to be working very very closely with the treasurer so that he'll know what projects the committee wants to bond if you decide you do want to bond this year it's time sensitive because they go out to bond a certain time every year to get
1:17:25the best rates so when you're deliberating and when you're voting this year um think about that okay so we want to try to get through our process by the end of april to try to get this to the city council so we can get the best rate for a bonding when the city goes out to bond as well again if you decide you want to bond and do remember you can bundle your projects for a bond
1:17:53now we have an estimate uh on the 24th how much we have to spend whoops hang on i just i just um okay can you hear me i don't know about tonight okay uh yes i will be tied to the auditor and the treasurer from now until you vote so when you come to your meeting the 31st i will know exactly what you have that day to spend um on your projects
1:18:24this year okay so i get update i'll be getting updates from her on a literally a weekly basis i'll i'll email her and get updates on how much money is in there okay sounds good okay oh and did we have any update on the account at the registry of deeds i need an invoice for them so that i can pay them i haven't gotten an invoice from them to pay them yet with someone from finance
1:18:57contacting them all they got to do is send me an invoice and i can do a bill schedule and get them a check and then they can just put those hundred dollars towards all those deeds that are getting recorded
1:19:19and over a year since i filed the emergency application i know and they've got to get me an invoice someone's got to contact them to send me an invoice so that i can give them that money
1:19:42all righty well i guess on new business too just to let you know i did talk to stuart about the uh bells uh i asked him about the question about the stands and hold the bells and uh his thing was that it's kind of left up to us he said if we restore the bells and we don't do the stand he goes what good is restoring the bells
1:20:07so he goes if that would be up to our local uh board to uh uh to okay that so that would could phone which i did uh call kristen and she's gonna um i mean caitlyn she's gonna give us an estimate uh to see how much to reconstruct the uh stages and then on the uh fire station i asked him about the uh avac system and uh he said to properly uh keep the building at a
1:20:39certain temperature and humidity that we could include that because of historic buildings so keep that in mind when we come to deliberation that's all i have can i just i just want to note that john just said my name correctly but only when he was referring to someone else it happens once in a while i know all righty so can i have a motion to adjourn i'll make a motion to adjourn second second
1:21:11uh roll call vote john yes uh paul yes uh chris yes caroline yes richard yes jade yes uh alex yes uh yes for me so meeting is adjourned thank you goodnight everyone