2.6.2024 Community Preservation Committee

uh welcome to the community preservation committee meeting tonight being held at uh one government uh Center City Council hearing room at 6:05 Tuesday February 6 2024 uh pursu to the open meeting laws any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are

being made whether perceived or received by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible uh we'll start with a roll call we'll start on Zoom Joan Bentley to left Alexander Silva present Kristen can Olivera present John brand pres Rick man pres your name's up there their names up there we also have an attendance uh Sandy Dennis the uh our Administrative Assistant we have Craig from frgtv we

are missing Victor Ferris and we're missing uh pointies from the mayor's office city council and planning board before we start Craig can you mute the other uh Zoom guest please thanks did we have any City uh citizen

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okay and uh on the roll call we have uh Jo and Bentley on Zoom just in case for the record uh can I have a motion for approval of the minutes from January 17th I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from January 17th I'll second uh roll call vote Joan Bentley yes Alexander Silva yes Kristen can Oliver yes John Brandt Yes Rick manen yes okay next we're on to the funding round funding

hearing uh first up is the uh house George H house yep just come right up here and uh state your name and address then Eric hillstead uh 57 SE Drive uh Cranston Rhode Island 02905 okay um so we're uh seeking funding to redo the outside of the exterior of this building um we have a lot of the original parts that were taken off by prior owners that were stored in the

basement we want to try to bring that back to the original pieces that were there uh front and back porches and uh we've gotten quotes from many uh different contractors in the area uh seeking funding for it's we're looking at somewh where in the area of about 200,000 in uh total repairs uh trying to bring back the original pieces uh we have a lot of them like I said but

uh uh it's a lot of labor intensive uh to bring it back um so okay I've never done one of these before so you know I don't know if you have questions or uh as far as the work that you're going to do Under the CPC money what would that be uh mainly with the exterior the front porch Side Porch uh the whole exterior um a lot of the original is all there um

but you know it's had years of neglect and uh the prior owner had kind of Let It Go for many many years um but fortunately he was able to bring pieces and put them away they didn't just toss them to the wind so we have original rails and things like that but there are they they're in need of a lot of uh 10 to 11 care so this is an owner occupied

then it is not owner occupied okay and how long have you owned this property we've had it for about four years now four years y did you the original I guess one side which would be the South Side was painted right so we we started last year uh we had one contractor that we thought could uh he had done work in the area uh so we started to use him

before we were even thinking of this and then uh he did one side we weren't happy with the work he had done um so we just kind of let him go was that last year or a couple years I think two summers ago two summers ago now not this past summer the summer before and and U I noticed in the application that there was free cash sorry there was a contribution matching contribution that you were

going to support correct yeah matching 50% yeah correct is is that cash on hand or is that something we have a lot of it cash on hand or lines of credit okay okay there we have all right cuz that wasn't designated it just had a notation cash okay the notation was cash so I'm saying well we do have some cash and then we have other reserves is is there any reason why uh over the past four

years something hasn't been done with the with the siding uh maybe a little correction you know some of the stairs are pretty bad maybe the back we had an ongoing thing we had met with minimum housing several times uh on different things we were just trying to figure our way through because we knew it was historical we own other properties in the area and we just didn't want to do

the wrong thing you know so and then we were kind of advised I had spoken with Jim Soul uh who's in the area and I guess he's part of that preservation he kind of guided us uh to this point yeah so yeah is there any just you're coming in and you look we have to be very uh cautious we're dealing with with citizens money here with taxpayers money and it should be allocated to the best

interest of of the citizenry and uh my question would be if if you had 105,000 and in your uh application you also stated that you were going to be using rental you had $5,000 per year appropriated from rental to what's in the application okay all right to be placed towards the maintenance of the building y so I'm just wondering there's been other maintenance issues that have gone inside uh through through the

course of things um you know here not just sitting there for that um you know so I mean we've been maintaining the inside which is in very good shape uh you know it was preserved I guess originally there was a funeral home that took pretty good care of the inside um but you know they uh you know they've been gone since the 70s I guess um so I mean we we attempted to do some things

but like I said we wanted to do the the right thing we were debating on whether to vinyl it put it back and I we me and my brother were having an on conversation I said it's a beautiful building and we could put it back finally it would have been simple and it would have been done and but it would have taken away from the outside of the house um you know on a maintenance

perspective it would be great you know clapboards and paint it's an ongoing thing and uh you know we just we were hoping to put it back to the original versus vinyling you know the existing columns that are there and throwing up just uh your basic handrail uh type of thing so which would have been fine but we wanted to try to keep it as historical as possible okay I I guess it just brings

me to another question I'm full I'm full of questions I'm sorry but uh if you had that5 if that's on hand now wouldn't it have been just to assist us in and saying yes this is a good project let's contribute the the the money if your 105 would have been utilize the summer or in the future to I maybe this isn't the right term but good faith effort yeah in restoring the property and then when you

but then you would come before the board and say well look we put $100,000 into this building here it is here's what we've got but we need another 105,000 to support the completion U as it is now as we were reading through it it said that you know we couldn't go back and start work according to what we are reading in the applications that you know we shouldn't do work before this process

was done uh you know there were things we could do but we were told that we probably shouldn't do it until you know we had a whole package together so I don't know maybe that that was wrong on our part uh you know we could have done some things yes but we're also told if you're applying for this historical money you can't go back you know and say well we've done this you know type of

thing so I I'm I'm very concerned in that you've got a property that's been deteriorating over the course of a number of years and nothing's being done it's just deteriorating the rails are coming down it's the rails have been down for many years yes it's it's you know and and there some bricks and rubbish and tires and things still on the property that should be made get cleared up doesn't

seem that there's a an effort being made on my opinion and and that's only me speaking out that does not appear to be a really good effort being made to try to restore this property um and it it troubles me if I was to vote Yes that we should appropriate this funding when we have no reason to think that another fund of money would be brought in to supplement it or that you would just utilize that

sum and stop and that has happened in the past so it it makes me very reluctant you know how could how does that how does my mind get changed um I don't know how to change it as far as you know like I said we we stopped when we started the process of uh asking for this money um um you know only because you know like I said we could have done it simple but you know

we were getting a lot of feedback from Neighbors that are historical people that really you know knew the value of what was there and uh you know they they didn't want to see it become just a vinyl job did you approach the historic commission for questions and answers and some of guidance or assistance uh we had gotten uh I had met with uh Jason buard uh he met me at the property we walked

the property together I told him our vision of what we were hoping to do um he gave uh with the letter of support um hoping that you know it would go forward um showed them everything we kind of had um I like I said I've met with other neighbors that have either been on the some of the boards over the years they're older people that uh you know

the uh one was uh I guess uh Sir Charles he lives down on Rock Street he's got a beautiful house down there uh and he knew the property very well um I don't know so okay any other questions hi um it's a beautiful property I think a lot of people would love to see it restored properly um you mentioned uh you've done a lot of work on the inside could you just kind of

detail some of the Investments that you've made so far uh since taking ownership and there's just a lot been a lot of we had a couple couple people that were very long-term tenants that are no longer there uh one was a hoarder so we had a long issue with getting him out so uh the city had come in with minimum housing uh so that was an ongoing uh kind of a battle not a real

battle you know we're trying to gently ask him to to leave before we could clean up his property and uh he was fine living in squalor but a lot of the other apartments are been beautiful and they're there and uh you know other than refin ing floors and redoing some of the apartments that are there um you know it's just been you know keeping it how it was you know okay so so like like in

terms of capital projects like resurfacing and and a lot of resurfacing uh you know uh we just recently had a sewer backup you know it's a over a 100 year old house the sewer was backing up into the basement that you know that was just an ongoing maintenance thing that uh just happened two weekends ago you know never saw it coming and never had an issue in the couple years that we

owned it but I guess apparently there were roots and things like that and uh cleaning that up so you know like any building you know there's always maintenance issues that are popping up so um the prior owner had done a newer roof um I don't know if he got approval for that or what the situation was but it was there when we bought it it looks like a very nice job it looks like it's

slate though it's metal um you know it looks pretty much with the the keeping of the the you know the time period of the house MH uh and regarding the already painted South Side is it your intention with this project to redo that work or to continue it um it probably it's done but just the way he painted it he he said it was more he didn't prime it and uh we were encouraging him to

prime it and he said he didn't need to and then once he was done I was just kind of very disappointed with it and uh you know the the look of it and I didn't want him to go further he could have done the whole job that summer and i' been through it and you know it probably would have looked all right but it you know it just wasn't if you look at it

it's uh I didn't think the quality was there so so it's your intent to redo it probably have to redo it again you prime it same color is what we were hoping for unless you know I don't know if uh there's other homes in the area that have those similar colors um I don't know if uh the Historic Society would prefer something else we just thought it at the time when we started it we

thought it would look pretty good well I'll say this for you and for every far resident but one of the recently completed Community preservation act projects was a set of design guidelines for historic houses and it actually suggests things that would help you in preserving it in you know the more historically Accurate Way including like paint colors and stuff yes that's on like the city's website our website um

so I bring up the painting just because I think it stems from your confusion with the not uh applying for funds of an already started project yeah um essentially like if you were trying to finish the painting of the house that would be us uh funding an already like started project and that's what the language and the applications are generally referring to okay um kind of stemming from Rick's

questions it does not preclude you from say you know doing the roof as a separate project and applying for you know painting the house and doing the front porch That's just to clear up the confusion in regards to that that's that's what that language is intended for okay um and then the estimate uh for the paint I noticed it didn't have a date was that the original when we started

this application we had met with other contractors uh and that gentleman that gave us that one that we submitted uh we felt we' seen some of his other work you know here again the guy that did do the work had done work in the area we saw his work thought it looked fairly good good you know he did a nice job other work on Winter Street uh uh that we had

seen him doing we just weren't that happy with what he did for us okay so it's not the painter who did same different painter different contractor right that's all well anything else yeah I would just I'm just going to move forward a little bit yeah uh I certainly uh I'm I'm actually I think I'm I'm going to put this in the form of of a motion I'm only one vote

but I would like to lift this from the funding and see your monies your 105,000 matching go into that building the summer or the spring okay and then come back next year because the building by all means is certainly worth preserving it it's a it's a showcase home it's in a wonderful location highly trafficked you know people buy there all the time you you've known it since it was all

overgrown all that stuff know I've known that house for let's see well I'm 82 but I've known that house for 65 years I mean you know it's a beautiful home I knew the cins very well so that they own that property his dad did was that the funeral home or exactly yes uh but what I would do is I would like to make a motion that we lift excuse me we're not

voting tonight so we can't we're just going to hear them and then it'll go to deliberation okay yeah only the applicant can withdraw yeah all right I I I would really like to see a good faith effort into that property so by doing work we're not compromising what we're looking for absolutely you come back and what didn't get finished you would put in for as long as it's a separate project yeah and and sit with

the historic you're using terms there's there's a difference between the preservation Society the Historic Society and the historic commission okay so the historic commission is the city body yeah so and that's where Jason Abad is the the chair okay so if you sat down with the with the commission you could get all the guidelines you'll ever need yeah okay and then put in a good faith

effort on the property you know and I mean by all means then it's it's well worth maintaining that it really I I I really then would tend to agree all right at this point I'm a little apprehensive okay okay but like I said the reason we didn't move forward was we saw the language like not going backwards we could have been moving ahead but we thought this is the route we were supposed to go

so just it takes months to get through this well thank you for coming in we're going to be deliberating these on one other thing um sure feel free this goes for anyone during the application process feel free to reach out with questions about the application to shouldn't be anyes you know up until the the hearing date um and then I would just say if you are going to you know

apply in the future um I would really enjoy uh reading the letters of support from some of the neighbors that you said you spoke with already that were you know encouraging you to preserve it in a historically accurate way I think that would be a strengthening factor for your application okay thanks for coming in thank you all right thank you very much thank you next we have the Antioch

school and you got a letter from the historical commission uh before you start on this one it's part one a uh Diane carer from the Antioch School 618 Rock Street um part a um will be beginning in May so um finally uh so what we've been doing in preparation for that um we've actually we wanted to um insulate before they actually started putting up the shingles so we wouldn't ruin the shingles U but before that they

said we can't do that because we still had tuin not so what we did is uh we have six-year plan for fundraising um so we're using line of credit so we've done the tuban knob removal that was finished the 1 of January um and that's been inspected in Ade and now installation is coming in for of third week of February so they're going to do the insulation loan insulation the week of uh February

vacation so there's no disruption with the classes so um just to take a a quick step back uh for a second so what we're asking for is $1 16,27 to finish the work that was originally uh requested the scope that was originally requested as part of last year's um Grant application so uh the previous application was to restore the uh wood shingle siding for the school the Dormers and the masonry chimneys um and

all of the trim perimeter trim as well uh however the funds were insufficient to address all of that work so um as Dan just mentioned um they've entered into a contract for 234,000 to do all of the work below the ridge line or the roof line um as part of that what we're calling now phase one a scope so the request now is to finish that original scope of work

160,000 which would be to do the nine Dormers uh remove the um the the shingle siding that's there on those dorm which is not original to the building uh restore the original wood trim that is there that's original to the building um and uh remove any vinyl siding that's on the Dormers uh and to repoint for of the brook masonry chimneys and do some restoration on those chimneys and flashing that needs to be done

so that's part of what this what we're calling the 1B phase scope of work so okay now you mentioned the uh tubing the electrician you guys uh we paid for that right so that was 41,000 and then we're the installations so it's 40 41,000 for to remove the knob and tube um you know again all of that work had to be done it wasn't part of the original request and it wasn't asked

for um the school took it on themselves to do that through fundraisers uh quite a bit of fundraising that the school did uh to support that so St said that that work is done now the electrical inspector signed off on that um and so the next piece of it is to do the Bown insulation that's $14,000 to get that work done is also being funded by the school the last time

I was in there you were working on a project not quite sure what it was it might have been been getting estimates for the insulation oh yeah because they had to do the Mass Save had to come in and check the what was being left out or or what what heat we were losing out of the building um but we couldn't do it we couldn't do the attic because they first

told us to try the attic at least we couldn't because the tub knob was exposed so we said we just have to bite the bullet you know why shingle the whole place look great and then 5 years down the road punch holes into the shingles again so we said we might as well do it now now we can um so that will be our investment right now next couple years of paying that off that

type of thing um so our goal is is anything above the Dormers would be this part B that we're calling phase okay um sounds good uh questions from the board no good good faith we're trying there I know a tough one in between we had them night shifts because so they wouldn't disturb the classrooms CU you know for the kids everything looks entertaining to watch them do the stuff so they've

been doing night shift since uh Thanksgiving I think WR Thanksgiving so quite a few months yeah we're done yeah I drive by there almost daily oh well Joan I forgot you last time do you have any questions for him nope okay Alex uh hi um so I was looking through the you know the profit uh expense reports that you saw and I was happy to see that there was like more fundraising last

year than previous years especially during covid and then you said you had just started a capital campaign so that's good to hear uh could you detail those efforts how they're going what they everything from we've done uh quite a few of the silent auction items um whether they be parents are donating things uh We've also had capital in the sense of they know that they're building

we've informed families they know that the building is going to be restored and fixed um so they've been a little more generous in the sense uh We've also for this upcoming year uh we've raised the uh they have goals that they have to meet every year so we've raised those goal points to help cover the upcoming you know financial situation that we have so that's our goal but in all

Year's part of the fundraising we always set aside some of it to help because we know maintenance everything we you know our biggest knock on wood is always the worry of the boiler going cuz it's still the main the original boiler is still in the building so that's always in the back of our mind just in case so we always try to set aside you know this is what's going to go towards that so okay

it's better than pre-plan oh you know what especially with those building you know the building there's always something coming up so okay um and I was going to ask if you were still Comfort I saw that you have the the first phase of the project 18 scheduled to begin soon are you still comfortable with the budget that was originally rewarded in terms of any escalations in the contingency yeah this

is a contractor and we did put it out for to a few contractors but of course the ones that that I've worked with before so that was one of our you know um questions whether they could hold their pricing and that was mentioned several times that they would so um as I say we have a a signed you know AIA cont with now he could have started in September but because we had the

electrical that we wanted to do before him touching anything and doing this he says let's just do spring that way I'll give you enough time to do all of that upkeep before starting on the outside that type of thing so okay and you said you entered into a $234,000 contract already for the work is that what I heard no no sorry I I thought I heard that you were you already entered into a

contract for um 234,000 I I was trying to figure out if it 234 for the first for the first phase that was approved does that include B Phase 1 b as well I was that okay that's what I was wondering excludes the phase one b um and then in the application it mentions uh future work to the port cocher which you mentioned in the previous application is it your intention that

will be a CPA Grant as well or like tied to the capital campaign that you're running or comp that's that's always been the goal that would be the next project that we would undertake not knowing that we'd have to split this first phase out into two um but that would be the next project that the school the roofing is done you know fairly recently so there wouldn't be any work there the windows you knowed a

number of years ago so there's no work there that they'd be looking for so the next logical one I think would be generating or recreating that Fus share okay yeah just that General Outlook you know and once that's done you know Landscaping in the sense of you know removing the the cement that's that's another but to touch that you you kind of want to do the you in phases so the

not speak for you but the the intent would be to supplement the CPA money with additional fundraising for for that project too so it would be CPC relying solely on them for that work okay and then just last question question um I personally I'm always trying to see uh find ways to maximize the public benefit of these CPA grants um and I think one of the challenges with recurring projects is like for histor in the

historic preservation category is they already have the deed restriction on them after the first time uh so I was just wondering if you would be open to something uh maybe like a stacking deed restriction to kind of help enhance the protection for the community kind of going into the future even more long term than I think it was 15 years for you guys originally okay yeah just being if you're open to

it you know it's just my personal opinion no totally okay okay thanks CHR any questions all right well thanks for coming ink you thank

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on oh there it is just St your name and address then my name is e ehor sliki and I'm a trustee at St John the Baptist Church here in full River I live at uh 35 paway Drive in Portsmouth Rhode Island um we're applying for Grant um it's for uh the amount is for $55,000 and it's to replace the stained glass window that's over the front door of the church um this is a u Community

preservation committee application FY 25 003 um a little bit about the church itself it's located at 327 Center Street at the corner of South Beach Street in Globe Corners in FL River um the parish started roughly in the early 1900s um first ukrainians arrived in FL River to work in the textile mills um the church uh was organized in 1909 and 1914 the church is built on a lot on the

corner of Center Street and South Beach Street the building itself is is distinguished by an exterior shaped U it's a pear-shaped Dome uh and a wooden Byzantine cross and those are typical of Ukrainian or Eastern right churches throughout the the world really um the front of the church features a large stained glass window the design appears in all the windows that are used within the church now the interior space is

also reflects the Byzantine Eastern right tradition um the church is a center of the Ukrainian community in Fall River and in the greater region uh the Ukrainian Community gives back without active participation in this in the city's Civic and community activities and in uh 2016 the Fall River historical commission listed the church in the Fuller River her register of significant structures in July

2017 uh this is a a view of the church from the street to front view um the St glass window is over the front door um and the window style and the composition is reminiscent of stained glass windows that appear in churches in Western Ukraine on top of the building is the pear-shaped Dome and it's topped with the the Byzantine cross the pearshaped Dome is the only Exemplar of its kind in

the city of Fall River and in South Coastal New England and the Dome reflects the Byzantine Eastern right tradition uh the Dome is a top and eight Ed Bell Tower um this is a closeup view of the large stained glass window um so you can make out it's covered with plexiglass but you can also make out little pieces that are miscolored and those are pieces that are missing or broken in the window that's been up there

for uh quite a while so because it's on the Northern side of the building it gets exposed a lot to u to wind and rain and so it's it's actually um we at some point had to covered with plexiglass to protect what was what's there but even that is deteriorating um the interior of the church reflects the Eastern Byzantine right um the there's an icon iconostas and you can see um the interior stained glass windows are

similar design to the stained glass window over the front of the of the church which is a the design itself is really is a cross with four big panels around it and then on top of that is an arch with a a in our case four panels with a little um semicircle to fill in the space um this is another picture um as you can see in here the iconist also has

an archway so that that whole design um of of of a church of of the sort of a a rectangular shape and then a dome an arch across the top it gets reflected in a lot of the architecture and features inside the church itself um we've uh received a letter of eligibility from the community preservation committee that we we um can apply for historic preservation and we received letters of support from the FL

River historical Commission State Representative Carol Fiola state representative Alan Sylvia um most Reverend uh Bishop Akuna who's the bishop of Fall River and most Reverend Bishop Paul Chomsky who is the bishop of the eparchy of Stanford and that's um the eparchy that we belong to um we received a letter from the community preservation committee letter of Eligibility it states that the community

preservation committee has determine your application meets the historic preservation CPA eligibility criteria and then for a letter of support we got a letter of support from the Fuller River historical commission um um it says the grant award will Aid the restoration of the Center Street facade stained glass window at the St John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church the present church building was

constructed in 1914 and is distinguished by the large Central stained glass window above the main entrance typical of any window wooden window frame that is exposed to the elements there is considerable wood Rod that must be addressed sections of the stain glass panels have fallen out and have been replaced with colors that do not that with colors not part of the original design program uh the Fall River

historical commission enthusiastically supports this project being spearheaded by St John the Baptist Ukrainian Church Ukrainian Catholic Church restoration Will Repair missing elements of the window frame and return the original colors to the window and I think they um uh said very nicely what we're trying to do and and and and describe the the situation with the window especially the

wood rot um the some of the glass panels have broken and fallen out and previous Restorations have used either mismatching glass or in some cases um plastic panels and we'd like to bring the whole point of this project is to bring it back to what it originally was which is a solid wood frame and all the glass back in place in the original colors as far as we can tell um representative Carol fola from the sixth

Bristol District wrote as I'm writing to to you in support of the church and support of the St John the Baptist Church in Fall River and their application for the Fall River Community preservation committee for 55,000 for or historic preservation funds the funding will be used to repair and preserve the stained glass window over the front door of the church building and bring the

stained glass window back to the state it was when it was installed over 70 years ago um representative Alan Sylvia of the 7th Bristol District wrote a letter of support as well um he says I'm writing this letter in support of the application of the CPA fund for the St John the Baptist Church Ukrainian Catholic Church of f Riv for the preservation of one our City's historical structures the church is on a

difficult Crossroads with a building that is aged and the facade needs repairs requesting $55,000 for repairs this this request is made to restore and preserve the stained glass window and more importantly he says we have a duty to assist with historic buildings which have a history within our community and to be preserved for the use of the families of full River who worship and are proud of their Heritage I would

highly recommend and enthusiastically support the church in its effort to restore this historic structure uh Bishop kuna of Fall Rivers writes that it is uh with with it sincere pleasure that I right to offer support for the above referenced CPC application by St John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church is requesting funds to repair and preserve the stained glass window over the front door of the

church building the repair and preservation of the stained glass window will help restore this historically significant Church which features a unique Wen visit cross riding on top the small par shaped Dome and to its former Beauty so that it may continue to exemplify the cultural social and historical Heritage of the community um mishop Paul writes as well this is he says this letter is in support of the

application for CPA eligibility for the renewal and restoration of the staining glass window adorning the front of St John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church in full of River Massachusetts this church building is not only a a historical and Architectural Jewel which represents the unique ethnic diversity of Fall River it also provides it has also provide a spiritual home for generations of Ukrainian Catholics and

others living in full River in the vicinity uh the project summary uh the uh this is an exterior view of the window the window itself is approximately 60 in wide and 77 in high it has a wooden frame a wooden window frame and it consists of 19 panels of stained glass uh the window design reflects also the interior stained glass windows and other architectural features of the building especially because of

the shape U the style and composition of this window is reminiscent of the stained glass windows that appear in churches in Western Ukraine um this is the view of the window from the interior and gives you a better idea of the shape that it's in you can see pieces of wood there that are in place to support the window frame frame looks like there's some some tape on there there's piece of glass missing

and you can see some of the colors are mismatched all all together um and the wooden frame is is in very poor condition uh the project summary is to re replace the existing wooden window frame with a copy wooden w a copy wooden window frame uh we we plan to reuse as much of the existing stained glass as possible in the new window frame and we replace missing broken and or mismatched

color stained glass in the present window with new matching color stained glass window that matches the original stained glass colors and we plan to install a clear Plex glass sheet on the outside of the window to protect it from the elements the project work is going to adhere to the Secretary of interior standards for rehabilitation and we're not making any changes to the structure or the existing

paint schemes of colors I think originally when it we talked about that we had looked at the possibility using an an aluminum frame for the window rather than wood and we decided uh we want to go with with the wood which is what's with what's is the original to the building itself um this is a an example of stained glass windows in this is one Church in Ukraine very similar uh

design there's a cross in the middle surrounded by four big panels and then there's an array with uh with glass inset in that I think in their example they have three pieces of glass we we have four across the top in the archway in this on here looks like it's kind of a red I'm sorry it's it's probably like a dark yellow color but doesn't come across very well in the

photographs um and again so replace the stained glass window or the front door will result in a neat and well-maintained building that looks good looks good means that it's inviting to members and to the public to come to the church and is also a safety Factor we won't have to worry about glass falling out either um you know coming to to church and seeing glass on on the walkway or God forbid hitting somebody

as a fell while they standing there um we've received a uh uh we requested quotes and estimates for the wooden window frame and stained glass we asked several some companies and contractors in Fall River nearby area the goal is to have the project done by Fall River based businesses um stain glass window repair and replacement is a specialized Activity The Wooden window frame adds to the complexity of the project we

received a variety of responses um these are some of these are the uh companies and that we asked for quotes and the ones that we we received um from Egan Church Restorations their total uh bid was was 50,000 50,7 and they broke that down into $44,900 for the wooden frame and a reuse of existing glass and 5,000 $125 for the wall area around the window and that's to make sure that um there isn't any

damage to the the wall around the walls and supports for the window so so we know that that it's in it's in place and it's it's going to stay in place um Horner we also asked for quotes from Horna mill work specialty mill work clear mill work they not did not respond Atlantic milw did mill work did respond however they could only do the window frame they were not

uh would not be able to do the glass so that would have left us with basically looking for another company who do just the glass and we're trying to get one one company to do everything Northeast mil work also not did not respond serpentino stained glass and Le glass they responded and they are engaged in a two-year project so they canot accept new work so it's great for them not so

good for us um because that was one of the companies that we were hoping to get uh designers stained glass did not respond Nancy cats at wilmark Studios they responded but the the project this s was beyond their scope New England stained glass did not respond and Newport window Restoration in Newport Rhode Island responded and they do not do stain glass windows um so we're we're including a

10% contingency in in this the quotes we're estimating the project to be $55,000 and I think that with the quote that we received Plus % we just we just meet that and we would um like I said we asked for many quotes we receive few few response I think it's just because of the complexity and in some cases it's it's a unique project I'm sure if you had to replace a window you could go to

Home Depot contract to go to Home Depot and get some windows and put them in in this case it's it's it's pretty much a custom job to do this kind of work uh fundraising we've uh we've had we funded several uh re Capital Improvements including a new roof and a boiler we've applied for a CPC Grant we we we will be applying for Community Support grants with local institutions and we have a

GoFundMe page set up um and we're going to also be pursuing fundraising at the church Community levels um asking um some of the other churches in the area if they can help us um St John the Baptist has already funded a number of Capital Improvements uh between these are sort of the major projects that we've covered on uh between October of 2020 and November of 2023 in October 2020 we replaced the

church roof at a cost of $3,460 um in August uh of 2022 in September we did garage door opener installed LED lights new telephone system in November we updated the electrical system at a cost of uh, 148 $7 um and November and December of 20 2022 we uh had some boiler repairs we we had more repairs in August through March and August of 2023 and then in September 2023 we had to install a new boiler uh

the cost was $5,673 and then after that in order to make sure that it meets the um uh inspection we put in a CO2 sensor and and we upgraded the boiler room and events so in the past three years we've spent uh $ 35,000 99 out of our own funds to to maintain the the church and so these are not specifically for this project but they demonstrate that St John the

Baptist Church has a commitment to be to the Future so why should St John the Baptist receive the grant one the answer is that it's a significant structure um in 16 it was listed in the full River historical commission um full River register of of significant structures for July 2017 and um that document states that St John the Baptist Ukrainian Church uh built 1914 is a wooden W wooden

Byzantine cross arising over the small pear-shaped Dome and it exemplifies the cultural political economic social or historical Heritage of the community uh who benefits from in this project a well-maintained building show the pride and investment that residents have in their Community conserving of St John the Baptist church building will exemplify the continued commitment of the that the Ukrainian Community has to

Fall River those who will benefit from the project completion include the Ukrainian Community those needing a Southend Community Outreach Center the globe Corners neighborhood the full River register of significant structures and students um we listen we because for them uh because of the unique architectural features of the building it's it's really a a good in place example for them to

visit and and and and learn about it rather than having to go who know who knows where to to see this so they they have one right here in their own home or in their own neighborhood if you will um how does the project contribute to the fulfilling the city of full River Master Plan 2009 it contributes to the following goal neighborhood stabilization we improve the existing housing and streetscapes we preserve historic

buildings and Landscapes meets the goal of City character and identity we preserve and enhance natural and historic resources and promote the appreciation appreciation of cultural and historic Heritage and historic cultural resources preserve the city's historic architecture which this is a a very good example of a unique of the unique architecture in that makes full River um a rich city in that from that aspect and

broaden the inclusion of Arts cultural and historic resources in F's public charter and Paro parochial schools at all levels K through 12 um we had um last year we had an event at the church um this is a photograph of the group that that attended they were members of church women United uh the Greater Community and parishioners of Fall River parishioners of St John the Baptist in Fall River at the event was

called the St John the Baptist Church shares Ukrainian Christianity with us and that was held on June 4th of 2023 um the event U ended up we had not very nice turnout we ended up talking um a little bit both about the uh the Eastern right tradition the interior architecture architectural features of the building and then after that we had this a sort of a cof hour downstairs and

again continue talking about the church history and we ended up singing some Ukrainian songs in Ukrainian and translated into English to get the whole group singing together so turn turn was a very nice event and we are um we're planning to have more events in the future I think this year we want to do um one about Ukrainian traditions in embroidery specifically in the embroidery I think that's going to be an

interesting uh project um in May of uh of 2022 St John the Baptist was the focal destination of the Interfaith solidarity walk for Ukraine um speakers from the Flor River Community spoke from the front steps of St John the Baptist Church to walk participants in a photograph here we can see that's Bishop kuna from um who's the bishop full reverend in the background his father M who's sitting here and then

that's part of the crowd that was the and of the Walk in front of the church here's Bishop this is Bishop kuner and father viilo inside the church on that day uh we received the proclamation from um from this the house of Massachusetts House of Representatives and I'm from the city of Fall River and that's sort of a closing of a picture from the uh from the walk um can I answer any

questions for you now on the uh stained glass so they they're going to use the existing glass as much as possible if if there are pieces that are missing then we yeah we're going to have to replace those with matching colors so they're going to do the I guess that's what they put lead around it and in this case it's it's it's wood it's a wooden frame so there's no lead in it it's all it's all

wood so there so they're going to when when the new when the new window frame is made all the as much of the existing glass as is there it's going to get put in and then we're going to put in matching colors for what's missing or broken okay now you have the 5,000 for the wall area what why so much for that now they um they were worried that the wall because of the the the wooden

window frame is rotted they're worried that maybe there there may be some damage to the wall to the the framing of in the window framing that's part of of the wall as well and so so so that's what that that's what that um money is for is to to you know open once they once they open up the window and take out the existing window if there's damage in there that may be just

something that's putting in two you know new 2x4s or new framing inside to hold the new window but that's that's uh to take care of that part so that's something you might not need so there might be yeah hopefully it would be nice it if it isn't but it's it's really a um a contingency for us it's better yeah we want to be a little safer and I think it was I think when they when I

Rich talked with them they um I didn't even think of that and so they actually brought that up and realized that was a very very valid point said something to be so that we're we're we're ready for any Cas Joan do you have any questions I'm sorry no I don't I just I want to thank you for such a thorough um packet and presentation thank you any I well I just have a comment um and this

is it to everybody that's that's watching this I wish all presentations were this thorough and anybody that's applying for funding please use this as as a good reference because I mean you really you hit all the the marks I mean you really answer all the questions thoroughly you really put so much work into it and this is what we like to see hello hi um I was just wondering what

the status of the current Grant project was um we are waiting for warm weather we we signed with the contractor in late sept H I'm sorry October November and at that point because it's uh the project is is brick work um masonry and painting uh they decided or they brought up the point and we we agreed with them that it would be better to wait until Springtime to start doing that so we're waiting for

warmer weather I'm thinking maybe maybe April to start brick work and May June to to start the painting it's it also depends a bit on them but I think that's that those would be the good times to start that okay so we are we're we're we're going to make it happen we don't we don't want that to fall to fall behind and you said you had a signed contract already Yes and are you

comfortable with the money the award that was allocated the contract came in a little bit under that and so um hopefully that they will stick with with the amount that we signed for and if if we have to go over I think we have a little bit that we can go over um but we're going to try to keep them to to to to what they they signed up for okay and then

just similar to my question to the previous uh applicant would you be open to the possibility of like a stacking deed restrict or something since this is already a project with a deed restriction on it yeah yeah I mean it's just a question to think about you know you don't have to agree to anything right now no I think yeah I think I think that actually be good for us as well okay okay thank

you per anything no I'm I'm fine great presentation okay thank you thanks thank you very much all right

for all righty next uh Bristol Community

College if you can just uh state your name and then just describe the project uh my name is an Soro I am a resident of the city of Fall River and I I am an active member of the pickle ball community and we play at BCC there are a lot of us here on Zoom plus um in the audience and um I this is Ray so I will let him hi good evening chairman the

committee my name is Raymond Jackson um I'm a certified uh pickle ball coach with the professional pickle ball registry I'm here on the behalf of the community and the resident of Fall River regarding the pickle wall Tennis Courts at Bristol Community College um so we're here this evening uh basically seeking and requesting funding uh to have the tennis courts located at Bristol Community College uh resurfaced and

restored U and just to give you a little bit of background information regarding why we're seeking this uh we kind of started this journey in 2021 uh it was a small group of us to include an and a few other folks in the audience uh we stumbled across this location at Bristol Community College playing pickle ball once we got introduced to it um we were starting out fresh I'm not really

sure what we were doing um but we quickly figured it out um decided to try to manufacture some lines uh to get a game going um we were then fortunate enough uh to be presented with eight pickle ball courts that were then eventually painted um so over time when we first started playing pickle ball at this location it was just a small group of us it was about five 5 to 10 folks uh to

date uh we have about 600 or plus registered members um part of our group uh we average roughly anywhere between 15 to 20 people per day that play pickle ball Monday through Friday uh this includes the morning as well as the evening time and the weekend uh we do have folks that do play tennis uh but the numbers themselves nowhere near compared to the number of people that play pickle ball um but the objective

here is really not to draw a comparison between pickle ball and Tennis um because we kind of both coexist um and we have done so I would like to say beautifully um over the years our schedule does not conflict with people that play tennis uh nor does the tennis schedule conflict with us that play pickle ball um one of the known locations that you may be familiar with is uh Diamond Vocational High School they have a

tennis club they actually start playing tennis um in March they usually um stop playing right around June time frame I have been in communication with the tennis coach as well just to kind of get his input uh we didn't receive a letter from him but I did ask him some specific questions regarding the surface of the courts and how does it impact their ability to host tournaments as well as

play um because the Bristol Community College is really their home court um he has expressed some concerns regarding uh the cracks on the court and that's really what we're addressing uh there's significant cracks throughout the whole tennis courts uh they're five tennis courts um eight of the pickle ball courts actually are lined with two of the tennis Nets um but because of the

size of the cracks uh on the quarts we have weeds growing um and they've gotten as high as maybe 2 to three feet uh We've consulted with brista Community College regarding the use of landscaping material um unfortunately do not have the manpower to do it so we as a community um over the past couple of years have gone out on our own using our own equipment supplies um and manpower to pull up the

weeds to make it u a more presentable uh place to play um I would be remissed if I didn't bring up the fact that over the past three years we've had some mishaps so we've had some residents who've come to play whether they've been beginners or Avid players um they have sustained some Orthopedic injuries whether it be ankle sprains um a couple of head injuries people falling and tripping hitting

their heads um I don't know so much about concussions but the injuries were enough to where they couldn't return um so again as Citizens um we took it upon ourselves to mitigate the issue uh we came back with our own resources and supplies we filled in all of the cracks um with the assistance of diamond high school as well but again it still impedes play it impedes our ability to

play pickle ball but it also impedes um others as well as Diamond uh Vocational School their ability to play tennis safely so um we are specifically here seeking uh funding um if possible I've obtained three quotes um regarding the resurface of the courts one quote we did receive was upwards about $400,000 uh that was a complete restoration of the courts uh this same company provided us with another quote

uh in the amount of $200,000 which was a patch job um the the reliability and maintenance of those courts utilizing that patch job would only last anywhere from 3 to 5 years according to the the contract Factor uh the third quot I did get um was anywhere up to about $233,000 that was a complete restoration of the courts he would have to contract some of the work um only to ensure that

uh the lining the painting uh and the surface paint that's used for the tennis courts is appropriate for the use of tennis as well as pickle ball um but that particular quote is more attractive and more appealing uh because it's a it's a cheaper quote but I don't think it necessarily compromises the quality um of what can be done uh to help to have the courts resurface if you

will so um what I would like to just say basically I I I find this location um it's a beautiful location I mean we have people that come there all the time whether they're learning to play tennis uh whether you're learning to play pickle ball um or just to do it for fitness or camaraderie um over the years we've also held a number of fundraisers uh where we've donated to the Gloria gmer breast cancer research

um the pickleball Community has done that we've made I think anywhere from like $2,000 and donations to that organization uh We've also partnered with the Spectrum empowerment project here in Fall River um where they make t-shirts for us um and we've established a relationship with them as such to where every t-shirt sale that we get from them uh we also make a donation back to them as well so we do have a

funding source it's not as um robust um as it can be so the funding source that we do have were basically donations the T-shirt sales that I just mentioned but that really just kind of goes back into maintaining our equipment and supplies that we have um I would anticipate it would take us anywhere from 10 to 15 years at the rate that we're going to even match U what it would cost to have

the courts restored which is why we're here seeking approval for funding uh for this recreational request okay can you give a estimate of uh the general public uh versus the college people that uh use the course uh the number of plays like the average that didn't go to college yeah so I would say um I mean the break it down um like I described it it would say about I would

say about 25 people per day that's Monday through Friday um so that's 125 and then on the weekends we have about anywhere between 30 and 40 and that's even including in the winter months as well um because this is a Hardy group um so they have no problem playing outside um so I would say over a week's time roughly 200 folks averaging again about 25 people per day now is that mostly uh BCC alumni

or is that open to everybody Community people community folks most definitely this project this is open to the community and people come it is open play whatever level you are people we have um uh Rey has given lessons free lessons for beginners this is definitely a community used facility that is manned by volunteers there are leaders there's upwards of 20 leaders who will open um

set up nets close make sure things are tidy um it is really just kind of a wraparound for our community and unfortunately the courts need work they are actually dangerous um we have made it work people uh um members came in filled things but for our city and and surrounding communities it's just a worthwhile project for us to invest in what's the one I see the only funding source was us now the State the

college no support so we did so so I did reach out to uh Bristol Community College regarding um any assistance they could provide as far as funding U what I was informed was that their funding is strictly allocated to their payroll um in Academia at the college so there was no dedicated funding that I'm aware of um that could be allocated to assist with the the repair or restoration of the cour so how

do they pay for maintenance general maintenance they got to get something from the state there they got to have a budget yes sir um I would say respectfully um based Bas on my observations um we are the maintenance uh the citizens and the residents regarding um I mean and I'm speaking specifically to Landscaping of the weeds trash pickup um every year Earth Day we usually go out there we

pick up trash um just to keep the area clean um so I I really couldn't speak intelligently to if there is something that's available regarding Landscaping from the college okay uh opening up for questions yeah what is the percentage of City residents versus the surrounding community that are involved in the court is it half in half or I think it would be hard to measure that because we get people from all over

we get people from barington excuse me Lakeville uh Fair Haven Dartmouth River Somerset yeah they come from all over so if we use those terms the majority is out of City I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say we would I think it would be a split uh the word gets out um that it's a great place to play um it's welcoming it's open to all levels there are there are so many

courts that get dedicated for advanced players can only play um some of them are private this is only on donations so people will the word of mouth gets out from local and people we have gotten more people to come and play welcoming them um in they also provide some donations we just have a donation box but I would say probably it could be a it started as this community as a small

community and the word has just gotten out that it's a great place to play so but we have a strong population of local residents who play also at PCC we do have a core group of f folks from Fall River to include our leaders that assist with their volunteer efforts to keep keep this going as well are there any plans to develop a maintenance program or a maintenance funding source uh once

a new court is in place it has to be maintained otherwise it's going to get into the same state of deterioration that you presently occupy so is there any plan to develop a maintenance program with with this uh if you get a new court or you get some funding do you have any plans so we don't have M it we don't have any written plans as of yet

um but I do have that um as a thought uh to convey and communicate it to the college um because it could be a partnership right I mean literally it can be a partnership between us as well as them we're willing to do whatever it takes uh to maintain uh the tennis courts in a condition that they should be maintained M um if the courts do get restored uh we shouldn't have to worry

about weeds um on tennis courts but right now because of the significant cracks that's an issue um but if the courts do get restored yes we will have a plan in place or to ensure that there is maintenance on the courts right and that's the next level to go to Diamond uh because the tenis team uses the courts as well and if with the restoration of these courts it would be behoove Bristol Community College to

start to look at the fastest growing sport in the United States is pickleball they could host tournaments it could be it this is like the ground level work that needs to start to get to the next level I I would certainly is there any way that you could get to us with a breakout of four of a citizenry and the surrounding communities what that would be the numbers um I think the way we can

capture that sir um I don't know what time frame you're looking at wanting to receive this information but I think the only way for really for us to be able to do that would be able to when people show up to play because we have a schedule um on a scheduling app called team reach but when people show up to play what we can do is have people sign in and then identify their their

resident location and then we can capture information that way okay and then maybe return something back around to you and that wouldn't be till spring or summer month yeah that' be tough to get numbers now we can capture some of that now like I said we do have people that you know that do come play now um the numbers obviously are a lot less because of the winter months in comparison to the spring and the summer

months but we we can um obtain that information and it is certainly open to all our residents and people have come without knowing how to play pickle ball just hearing that their neighbor has come down to the tennis to the cour that's very honorable my my thought process here is that we have citizens of Fall River taxpayer money only right and what we're trying to do is utilize that

in the best interest of the taxpayer and here we have a state project State Building State tennis court state school facility and we might have majority or at least half of the population from out of the community so I'm just mulling that around in my mind that's right mhm okay y Alex hi I couple questions it's probably going to bounce around um I didn't hear this number uh when you were

talking about the bids I in the application the low bid was 133 576 um is that to the temporary fix the 3 to 5e patching quote um I think you had quoted that at 200 plus th000 when you were speaking but I didn't know if it was an error or not yeah so the the the the the one p that we got for 133 that is the patch job that's JG coffee

and that's what you said would probably last 3 to five years with no maintenance I'm guessing and and that's kind of what he mentioned to me as well was that for this dollar amount um you would be looking at repairing the courts again in three to five years okay so that 233 quote is for the full reconstruction yes sir okay that's and that's a completely different company as well

okay that's what I just wanted to clear up um because in your application you put total project cost and you put the high quote but that's not really the total project cost unless you go with that bidder so I just wanted to make sure there wasn't alternate funding sources being used that weren't listed or anything like that um I too am a little kind of puzzled by BCC saying they don't have funds to allocate to

like maintenance of their facilities um in the letter that you're quoting from uh that they sent in uh where they talk about like payroll and such uh it doesn't mention like what they spent tuition on and stuff like that so I'd be curious um perhaps before deliberations if possible to get you know some kind of breakdown of how they like their maintenance budget or or something or

how because if if the community is going to invest in these courts I mean they one they would want to make sure that would be upkept and I don't think it you know should fall on you guys to be doing all of this you know out of the goodness of your hearts and just as a passion I would like to see BCC kind of take some commitment for this investment if it was

to go forward um so I I know that would be probably could be a hard ask in the time frame between deliberations but if there's just any way you can kind of get a letter or something kind of from BCC detailing what they do like how how they maintain this facility or their entire facility really I mean that letter that that sentence in that letter doesn't really satisfy me in terms of they don't

have the capacity to to do anything to these courts um so that's just where I'm coming at from that point of it uh when you go down there which I know you have but for those of you who haven't gone down there the sign in front of it like the first thing it says is BCC as priority use um you guys said that you didn't have any conflicts so far um I

was just wondering if in your experience who who does that sign uh describe for bcc's prior to use is that diamond or is that there like an alumni team or a student team who who would that priority use CU if we were going to fund the project you know for the community use and then all of a sudden they come in with a team and bump you guys out every time you start trying to play that's

kind of backwards to the intent of the application so who who is priority use according to that sign and your I I don't have factual information but my suspicion would be that it's an outdated sign okay I I mean I just want to know you know the side that the community will like see if they approach the facility um those estimates that you sent I think they're all dated to the summer are you confident that those

numbers would still hold up almost a year after because usually when city council approvals happen it's around June and then sometimes we've in the past seen um you know inflation and such change those costs and we have to see you know further funding requests I I just it might behoove you to kind of guarantee those numbers um before moving forward in general just so you kind of one step ahead of that uh does this

project also include the basketball court that's adjacent to it to the courts it does not include the basketball okay because that's in tough shape too so one would think that if you were doing partial it would be more cost savings to do the entirety um so that's just something I would possibly inquire about with BCC but I think we all probably would know the answer um yeah I think that's it thanks so I

did confirm one of the quotes um as of last week um and that's the one for two 28450 that is still confirmed but I would have to speak with JG coffee to verify that excellent okay anything oh and then sorry one last thing you probably might not have this answer off the top of your head um Diamond's use of that is I'm assuming BCC doesn't get funded for that use since it's a

facility that's open to the public like they just show up on a schedule they don't pay the BC okay just agreement um you have to have liability insurance um just like myself for doing lessons Okay because of the the the status of the court or the the conditions of the Court okay that's what I assumed with its open nature but I just wanted to make sure that thanks is is there a token charge for people to

play there no sir none at all none at all how about a a club or a group that comes to play and gets on on a a regular schedule uh is is there a fee for that organization at all no sir um so we as I mentioned we have U our schedules on what's called team reach um so we advertise that publicly um so the pickleball Community is pretty you know

robust so a lot of people know about the location um we cannot prevent people from going there so if somebody's there already playing we couldn't just show up and just say you got to go we have to kind of work with what we have um but the good thing about this is that our reputation is such that people recognize that we have a schedule and they don't encroach you know most of the time

people will call me uh as the manager and just say hey Ray can we do this can we do that um it doesn't prevent other people from just doing it on their own but again if somebody was there playing there there's absolutely nothing that we can do um to stop them from playing okay so there's there's no monetary fees at all through any of this okay no no even the lessons are free all

the lessons and everything that I do there are strictly free all right um so I just have a couple of questions as far as the the full resurfacing of the Court did they give you an idea of what the the expectancy is as far as the life before there really are any issues with cracking and where it would need to be repaired um as far as JG coffee's quote is concerned um the the only awareness

that I have about when the initial maintenance may occur would be within that three to five year time frame um for his quote for Mr Tim D Silva I don't really have that information but I can follow up with him to to get him to speak more intelligently to that okay do you know what the initial um maintenance is like what they consider initial maintenance the way he explained it to

me it would probably have to do with maybe patching certain areas um on the courts themselves because that area um as I understand it um is this wet land around the surrounding areas it is so that would have an impact on the courts so what he explained to me was that there may be a need to just do maybe do some patching um and and and the way he described it was almost like if you're

patching um a wall you know you may have to come in and put like some tape or something like that just to keep the seam intact and then paint that surface area over yeah you know something like that and are there any other pickle ball courts in the city that are utilized or either by your group or other groups there are there's brand new pickleball courts in Kennedy Park yes MH okay they take the Nets

down um so to preserve the Nets that the city does um we play year round using portable Nets just portable Nets okay so do you does your group ever utilize Kennedy Park as well or just BCC yeah I I would say people yeah they tra people travel all over and and play you know play all over so yeah so Kennedy Park our location other locations yes is it

BCC that gets the most use as far as so so what I would say ma'am yes um we're actually the original pickle ball location in Fall River um we kind of kept it a secret to ourselves um un bounced to uh other things that may have taken place but yes we we we get a lot of use yeah okay Joan any questions I need to recuse myself on this one all righty all right well I

thank you guys for coming in thank

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just uh say your names and Mr CH I came back from Disney my voice sleep two with a cold so I'm going defer C all right I'm going defer to architect David I as I mentioned I've been ined for two days and want to be here I think it's important that I'm here but I can ask any I can answer any questions you may have okay okay um good evening for record I'm Ken Fiola Executive Vice

President of Bristol County EDC and I'm acting as a um the representative of the applicant who is uh Mr cadiro and also representing uh 66 Troy Street LLC thank you Ken um David andreid vice president at Stark Architects um and as Mr gero mentioned I am the architect of record on the project so with uh we'll just jump into it if that's okay great thank you once again for having us here so tonight I

think everybody's had a chance to review the package that was sent out on this on this project I think uh for the most part it is um all inclusive uh we're here tonight seeking uh funding for window replacement um on 66 Troy Street um and that's part uh Falls within the category of uh historic preservation um this historic preservation project also is part of a larger project in which the whole

building will be rehabbed for residential purposes uh the overall um price projected estimated cost of that uh of that rehab is uh 10 million $ 7 35,36 to so this project the way it's um stacked from a capital standpoint you call it the capital stack is that there's going to be funding for many different sources for this project certainly there's going to be private financing which will um Encompass the L

The Lion Share of the overall funding for the project but there's uh recently the project also uh received uh part two approvals from both Mass historic and the National Park Service which now makes the pro project eligible for historic tax credits so between the combination of CPC funding the historic tax credits and the private funding itself uh we now have an opportunity to essentially save what I would consider

one of the most interesting uh historic properties um within within the uh downtown central B uh business district so the project itself um has been refer referred to as the Union Belt company project um this the Union Belt company represents a business that was located on 66 Troy Street uh in a building that was constructed back in 1861 by the Troy cotton and willing Mills and leas to the Union Belt company

for the manufacturer of lead the belts for the textile industry um the building pretty much remains intact uh from its initial construction back in uh 1861 um and the designed the settings the materials and the workmanship and it represents a rare surviving example of the 19th century uh brickmill construction that was prevalent throughout the downtown and it was also one of the few buildings that had

survived the fire that raged in that area so as we move forward with the project itself you know um and in accordance with your application uh as it pertains to the goal of the proposed project and you know how it accomplishes the goals of of the CPA we think it it does so in uh two different two different ways first the project helps to preserve restore rehab and upgrade a historically significant

building within the city as I said the buildings listed on the state and federal registers of historic places and has been determined uh by the Fall by the fall of a and is on the fall of a historic register of significant structures and is significance for its contribution to the historic Mill Narrative of the city uh whereas the proposed C PC investment of 53,000 will leverage more than 9.5

million of private investment and um historic tax credits the project will create a larger economic benefit than if these same dollars were spent directly by the CPA committee and non-private participation projects um the benefits of the project are also twofold first the city's able to preserve this very significant historic Mill that dates back to 1871 um as noted in the uh F historic

commission's December 2023 letter to a mass historic the property is one of the few remaining brick industrial Mill buildings of this area of the city especially given in fact that survived the Great Fire of 1928 and maintains many of its existing exterior architectural features secondly a secondary benefit of the project is that it's reused for commercial and residential purposes will provide more

options to individuals and family looking to lease Apartments here in fall currently there's a 1.9 vacancy rate for residential units within the city and the repurposing of this building helps to ease uh the overall supply and demand for housing in particular in the application you'll see um there's been letters of support issued by um various you at least one the mass cultural um I think it's Mass cultural Mass

preservation Society we've also received uh the approvals from the uh National Park Service in um Mass historic commission and the project is pretty much ready to go uh we anticipate that now that the um historic tax credits have been secured hopefully we get the CPC funding to move move this project forward so those those funding sources along with the uh financing uh letter that's contained within your

package also uh meet means that this project is is a go from that standpoint there's also three bids associated with the windows here that we requested as part the application and stock architect can uh can go into the differentiation of the different bids and why the 503 um price point was actually chosen amongst the bid procedures and lastly 66 Choice sheeders also received zba

approval for for the project itself so this is probably one of the most um ready to go projects I I think I've been involved within a long period of time and I think you know this in combination with Mr kido's track record of repurposing buildings throughout the city and preserving historic buildings I think speaks for itself and this would be another example of such a restoration

and a preservation effort so that we can uh continue to repurpose these historically valuable edifices and you know maintain the history of Fall River you know that's slowly slipping away so I think at this point we'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have now you used this before in one of your properties and I think you have what seven downtown we have we have nine

commercial nine commercial well we have one two three four historical that MH this yeah the benett building you did uh for housing uh 285 but now your total investment downtown is how much so I was going to bring today a binder of and I heard a lot what R rck said about preserving these properties after you build them so they don't fall apart I've proven over four decades my properties all look the

same we're all maintained we love the buildings we're we're a product of this city yeah Mr chair I was going to bring the policies that I've owned an insurance company for 40 four decades I've probably written in my life a handful maybe less than 10 blanket policies those blanket policies show 103 million and I can give you a copy of that about two big binders of everything that we have and you don't

get those policies by not maintaining your properties right so I would guess to say that inside I did a quick take of almost 60 million just on the preservation of existing that's not not counting to commercial B right or or the other or the Commonwealth Landing was 31 Milli was 31 million separately I asked that because it's good to have on public record because sometimes people think of

private side coming in uh Mr CH a little further I was so pumped up to talk I could talk forever know but you will see that there is debt on this deal yeah like there's debt there's a minimum of 6.8 million in debt and then no one gets the fact that there's 3 million in a bridge loan that 3 million is real debt that means that you got to deliver CPC

whether I get 503 I get 200 right that's real debt on that or whether or not the National Park Service not the National Park Service but the mass historical Chris you know every quarter we going to apply for our ground that's like a hit or miss yeah you know they say you're entitled to the same 20% as the FED but you never get there right Kristen every going appli so Mr chairman you never

know so people say to me oh it's free money no you do it yeah the other thing is you also have to hit certain benchmarks in order to be able to get that money and if you're not if you're not hitting the benchmarks if you're not following exactly to Interior standards you're not going to get it either right to your point at the end of the project the project itself has to go through an

independent certification process on all the expenditures to prove to the people that are buying the tax credits that you know that everything has been accounted for financially and constructed and implemented in accordance with NPS and the mass historic commission's uh standard so and you're right you know the the money comes in at the end in these projects so there's you know this is a $10 million

project all day long that up front that you got to bridge Finance yeah and then at the end you may get some money from the feds may get some money from the state hopefully get some money from the CPC to offset some of that cost but in addition to the actual Capital cost of the project you also have your financing cost associated with it so and these these things you know as as uh history I

guess that's a poor term in this case but as past practi has showed us these are not inexpensive projects the rehab of buildings are less costly than new construction but they also offer a lot more benefits than new construction itself but they are costly to do you did a nice job on the women's Union building I actually putting up the the the sign that was there the women's love it yeah adds to the

historic of the building so if I can I say one more thing and Dav you could talk a little bit more of it the number that I gave you the number of 503 why we chose Dave can go through that if you need to see the breakdown why we chose a Suson glass is because they've worked on my four projects and I know they're going to do the job I know

they're going to do the job where my tennis are not calling every other day like some of my partners who now have water issues one two that 53,000 Mr chairman is not the total cost of the windows I want you to know that yeah that 503 is simply if you can picture this I buy some of a glass he takes and goes and buys the windows and then he puts them in the hole but in the

meantime I got demo those windows 191 Windows that's not part of that number yeah I got to fit the casing that the window sits in that's not part of that number I got to have supervisors project managers everybody watching that that's not part of that number and then I get to dispose of 191 windows in dumpsters that's not part of that number but for me to come to you and ask for what I

think I really need I thought it would be a lot simpler just to say hey this is the best individual that I could get and his Colts were in line and the architect talked about that right but that was what I thought would be fair asking and it really reflects buying a Windows and him installing it but none of the other stuff that is being carried under another category in in general

conditions and and all the windows conform to the National Park Service Ms historic condition they're already approved so that's why he soell type of Windows that's being installed there have already got the blessing of the they would have to or you wouldn't get tax credit exactly so but that's but that adds a you know you could put cheaper windows in there you don't have to do it but if you want to do it right

to maintain the historical integrity and aesthetic look at the buildings you got to do it in accordance with the windows that were there replicate them right so you get a listen can I just say one other thing a lot of people may do this but this is a this is a journey to be able to play in your world you the historical rebuilds you can't dictate to them my first lesson was I'm going to

put want in and we did that then in N building we did that whole front of that building right David I said no we're going to do it okay we did it guess what happened took your money take them all out and get new ones and put them back in there you need to follow the script you don't dictate to the National Park Service right or the stor commission you don't even dictate to the local

commission anymore there's reasons why these projects cost so much money because you're not taking them down and replacing them you're restoring and that takes time and money in the Builder building that building was vacant for 14 years no heat no nothing no he see the property gets destroyed concrete bunker I think Mr Man you took a tour I had three people take off the Crown Mings needed

to be saved they had to strip four layers of paint by hand wow six seven weeks stripping them all down putting them in the basement how much you think that cost then I wasn't 20 bucks an hour sorry yeah but that's the difference between someone that's going to do historical and then someone that's going to act historic contractor and secondly I heard it here over and over again it's a sin when you spend so much money

on a property and then you don't protect that property right that is an absolute sin and if I was sitting on your board I would not award anybody that didn't have a plan in place I'm stretching out to protect that because you are The Gatekeepers for the Public's money yeah right I think I heard that here today so I'm probably get out of school SC down but you know what I mean right yeah yeah

and and that is that is is you know the maintenance is is a vital issue and it's it's it's it's something that I hang on constantly uh and commitment good faith uh and and you're showing that just in your buildings and and absorbing a good portion of the cost as you just went through on you know the real cost and and and a lot of people don't fully understand the construction phase enough

to realize oh it's not just the window it's all of the ancillary uh items that fit into this to get that window installed we we know that you know and and and U and your historic preservation of the exterior is where you know your historic commission and the park service is really hanging their hat you go beyond that you maintain a tremendous amount of the original interior all good faith means a lot in in in the

presentation and in the acceptance of a presentation and lastly we bring good talent I mean kid and I go back 40 years he understands what I got to deal with because these are real debts Mr J they're not fake Deb right I mean you can get stuck with 10 million right there are 6.8 million minimum you can get stuck at 10 million if you don't deliver these things exactly they could

always get tripped up y right and you got to deliver them on time because there huge penalties un unbeknownst to you right and then you got to have a good architect that understands and I will tell Dave did not quite understand this project when he first started working with me he's become an expert in that he understands what it is where I may not get it yeah he says no you're

not reading it correctly it's not like you might want to do it no but you got to do it and that's why they're here it helps you sleep at night if you listen to them and you follow the rules I am glad that you mentioned about the building itself being one of the few surviving buildings from the Great fire because that's a that's a really big deal because we lost so much of that

area to the fire and the fact that we still have a few of these buildings and that somebody actually wants to you know preserve and and um put back out there is is a big deal could I say one other thing I wanted to talk so much that I I I may own these buildings but I really don't own them I mean I'm not going to pick them up and take them out of for River right

right I may own them right I hope to keep them for a long time bringing my girls to keep them I selling these right but I I think I think the building's for everybody it's for someone to drive by and see it for someone to walk in and see it if for someone to work there and see it and now as Ken mention it's maybe for someone to live there and see it

this building was a huge historical building because it powered all your other Mills the belts in this building were made here for over 60 years you some gentleman and um my mother-in-law went to that church John the Baptist real nice person remember him um he was talking about the stained glass about you know people seeing that here not having to travel and seeing that window or that sheap somewhere else I mean

isn't that what we're preserving right yep right then you add the the deed the deed restriction which will be on the building itself which giv you even more of preservation right that's there too so you never exactly you know and how many of our our Mills and buildings have we already lost in the city yeah well it's it's it's it's a challenge Julian do you have questions okay no I don't all right um

did you have more or D no I'm good uh yeah not really anything you answered my main question about the windows CU I saw that on the quote they hadn't verified National Park Service standards because I think they're waiting on the drawings one of those it was like two weeks after I saw the drawings dated so okay I'm happy to hear that uh I saw that the project expanded from 27 to 36 units I'm

guessing that's just to make sure it's financially stable and and also market demand for the types of unit yeah okay um and then uh I just for the public record and my kind of own understanding based off of the numbers in application it seems like you're aiming to make a 88.5% of the costs of investment that's the private investment I think is around over 88% of the total cost that we were

anticipating with like all the tax credits and no no it would be it would be less than that you got you got a minimum of 68 in debt yeah and then you got a you got you got a minimum of three less than three million Bridge so but I think he's saying private investment private yeah sorry in other words I think I thought you were saying all that no backwards so you're basically looking

for around 11 11 and a half% I think state and local aid for the total investment that's what I just wanted to clarify okay thanks yeah sorry about that no I understood it the same way I'm like yeah yeah I was just I was just doing the the math uh with the numbers given well it's just to show the amount the percentage wise of private investment versus you know public this a

heavy deed building but that's why you asked a great question why the increase in the number of units twofold 27 wouldn't get me there and secondly Market studies showing that for slightly less you get more people delivering a newer building you know newer digs I think that's what they use um but um yeah so you you hit you hit on and I just hope you guys really consider that my 53,000 for the

windows is not the total cost of those windows and I know you guys all have to work with a budget but it's like I said you know at the end of the day we're going to do the building just how much of this debt becomes real debt and how does it impact you know maybe create a dog park we want to do that that's not even on there another dog park it's huge

right and all these people living with these dogs they got to go somewhere you don't want to go in your neighbor's yard you have two dog parks now right two now I want to do a you really yeah oh wow yeah yeah so again it's like you know you're bringing things into the downtown area where when Ken and I first started this years ago was like oh you know everyone's in the city 5:00 they leave

you got a dark hole CME comes in right now I think the mayor said the other day I walk out City Hall I see all the lights on people moving in the windows people are watching their properties is that good I think it is and it's and there still two of the most um distressed census tracks in the city in terms of poverty rates you know I think each one of the in this particular uh

censor truck I think we're above certainly above 30% in poverty level so any investment in those distressed sensus tracks helps Revitalize the surrounding areas yeah and I think people forget that too um you know I I know everybody's always on about we need more low income housing and in that but I think they forget that sometimes the market rate housing brings in um people with disposable income that can actually

spend that money in businesses in the city so it it helps the city you're increasing the Taxas so it really does and then the city has more money to fund things for the people that that need them and I and I think sometimes there's that disconnect and they don't understand that and so when we have projects like this where you're getting more um people to come and live in the

city it actually benefits them in a way that they really don't see so right this this project as well as all of Mr Cero's projects have not displaced anyone they're rehab of properties that have been sitting sitting vacant for numbers of years or being used for different types of per pures so there's no displacement of anyone here and you know if we just adhere to basic economics if

you want to drive down the cost of rents you got to create more Supply with a 1.9 vacancy level in the city that means that people can charge higher rents if you create more Supply then is you're going to create more of a demand on the market and it's going to drive rents down so it's a basic premise and that plus given the fact that you know the state law says 10% of your housing stock

should be affordable for has 28% of private and public subsidized housing so in terms of equilibrium in a community it's nice to have a constituency of low income middle income and higher income and mocker rate meet some of that that equilibrium standards I think it's also important that to point out that these units um they don't add onto the the city's indebtedness the tax the tax burden with

being one-bedroom units Studio units you're not having to educate at a cost of 14 15 $166,000 a student as well so that's all of those factors go into playing out benefit there alsoo green they're all electric they're all heat pumps no fossil fuels right repurposing of the buildings most sustainable yeah right so there's a lot of environmental factors here that also add to the positive pict that's being created

good thank you thank you thank you for your presentation before you go can you just on the Union Belt no the uh dery block dery block yes uh did you speak to Mr Ferris I did uh yes uh Mr Ferris wanted to withdraw this year and put it in next year okay I mean I think it's a good project he just wasn't quite there yet with the numbers and estimates and all that

uh the only thing we need is if you could send in a letter saying withdrawing this year absolutely and then we'll start the process next year and I think we wanted to get that project a little bit more ripe you know cuz having the historic tax credits in hand having private financing it takes a lot to guess work you know you don't want to be putting money into projects

that you don't know are going to come to fruition so right and that's an amazing building I've been in like top to bottom of that building down in the vault and everything like you just don't haveu you don't that's going to be another nice addition to the downtown so yeah I'll get you out later tomorrow okay sounds good thanks you too much croaky singing down there oh I went down kids me I was Aid Disney

J we had Foundation G and then I've been in bed since okay uh I guess can I have a motion to ad new bu do we have new business I don't know it's it's on the agenda any new business any new business Joan I don't know she sees you looking okay did I miss anything else I um no new buiness all right so can I have a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to

adjourn I'll second uh roll call Joan Bentley yes Alexander Silva yes Christen can Oliver yes John Brent Yes Rick manen yes and that's a wrap all right