2.8.2024 Community Preservation Committee

okay welcome to the community preservation committee meeting held at uh one government center uh city council hearing room uh it's Thursday February 8th 6 o'clock uh you can uh view the meeting through uh for uh TV Facebook or live stream um pursuant to the open meeting laws any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit this meeting through any

medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings are Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible we'll start with roll call we'll start on Zoom sorry Joan Bentley present Alexander Silva present Kristen Cana Olivera present John brand present Rick manini present all righty um any citizen input okay

yeah you got to say we're missing Victor oh so yeah sorry that um also present with us tonight is Sandy Dennis or manra of assistant uh Craig from for TV and we're missing a mayor appointee a city council appointee and a planning board appointe and Victor Ferris from the park department is absent tonight all righty uh no citizen inut okay uh okay we'll move on to the um we didn't do the meeting uh minutes

minutes we don't we don't have four I had some edits I don't know if everyone else had a chance to look at them um you want me to go through them it's just some typos for names uh do you want me to go through them uh you want to just table to approve them on uh next meeting sure okay I'll make a motion to table the minutes until our next meeting on Monday

I'll second that motion okay roll call vote Jo Bentley yes Alexander Silva yes Kristen K yes John brt Yes Rick Mancini yes okay on to the funding round uh first uh project up is Christ the Rock uh Christ the Rock Church tower repair and repointing 500,000 Rock

Street the Mike Keen cotex Architects uh Robert canavan CHR so we are back before you for the funding round um with our application which has been updated since the initial application and requesting uh $500,000 for the uh stabilization and repointing of the Bel Tower of the church um we uh have a structural engineer under contract or the church has a structural engineer under contract um they have

retained us as well that's being funded separately from this funding request um so the engineer and architect are not being part of this this funding request um they're looking for funding for the project itself the restoration work itself so we had reached out to several masonry contractors um unfortunately we're not getting many responses uh there was um well there is a number in here a quote

from a masonary contractor I'll talk about that in in a minute um but one of the second Masons that we had reached out to said that they were interested in the project um and someone that we worked with on and off for the last 20 so or so years and they are qualified in historic masonry um but they um after several times of trying to reach out to them they were not taking on the project

or interest taking on the project so the one that we do have a quote for has looked at the building looked at the structure several times um it's a highly qualified Mason someone that we've also done work with over the last 20 to 25 years and this Mason um has done quite a bit of work for whale and New Bedford um you know going back to the 1980s so it's a very qualified Mason in historic

masonry so um he has been to the site as I mentioned several times and we've walked it with him uh there is quite a bit of work that needs to be down in this Bell Tower um and so what the main areas of concern are specifically the East Elevation which is the elevation that faces Rock Street um and also the South elevation which which is the elevation that runs along Walnut Street

uh those are the two sides that are in uh most need of repair there's been significant water infiltration into that Bell Tower uh which has led to the deterioration of the backup masonry which is a brick masonry um behind that stone veneer that you see from the exterior so um what we're proposing in conjunction with this Mason is to focus on a on a phase one restoration which would be the restoration of the East

Elevation which is again along Rock Street uh and so the proposed worth for that would be the $500,000 his estimate to do both elevations came in around 750 to I think 950 that number is in the in the packet that you've got um and I say probably between 30 to 40% of that cost alone is just in getting access to that Tower um you know it's as you probably read what

he put together um he's proposing an aerial lift before he can even set up some staging there so it's a pretty substantial cost for anything you'd have to do for scaffolding a stag and we're finding that of course industrywide it's a it's a large number so um that is essentially what we're proposing or requesting really from from the committee to start at least this phase one project so uh without actually having

the bids with the actual breakdowns you're saying 750 to 950 for one side no that would be for both elevations that would be the Rock Street elevation the East Elevation and the uh South elevation which would be along walmut Street those two which are in the most need of of restoration so it's hard to give um for a project like this a definitive final number because once you start to get into it I think you're

going to find that there's a lot more in terms of issues you know there's some work through no fault of the church um over many years where they've taken that's i' call it Band-Aid approaches to trying to stop the water infiltration by cocking the masonry joints and doing work that essentially would have to be undone uh so while that might have been a an appropriate I say I won't say

appropriate but a an attempt to do a temporary repair uh needs to be reversed so that's part of this project as well so especially this year when we're really don't have the the funds because the state didn't pass down additional funding so we're only looking like 1.1 for the entire our cycle understood so without being even able to break it down let's say one side what it would be one side would the

500,000 which would be the East Elevation so if we were to ask you for the full uh request which would really be for the South elevation East Elevation you're looking at the 750 to 900 which is not something we're requesting right now because it's knowing what your funding is so uh having discussed this further with a Mason Mason it is possible that uh we could take this on to the greatest

extent that we could would whatever funds are available uh it just wouldn't wouldn't mean that we' be able to do the entire El elevation on the east side so it's possible we could do it for less than that but once he gets to a stopping point you know um we'd have to be looking at doing future work to continue so okay so we would part of what we would do is we would monitor that we

would for lack of a better word police that in terms of managing how much time that Mason is putting in and the funds that are allocated for it so I think we'd have to come up with a a plan for that um but that was part of what we wanted to talk through you know talking with Pastor Rob that um you know if there is a way to accept a a lesser

value that could be possible there's work that could definitely still be done on that elevation okay all right now the ownership of the church is own it's own by the church by the membership of the church okay I thought that was okay all right I'll open it up uh Joan you have any questions um excuse me I think Mike actually answered my question and it was if um you know because of our funding this

year if we were only able to partially fund it could you partially repair one of the facades and then you know stop at that point and pick it up in next year in the future but I think you you answer that and the answer is yes you could right so I think I know also um you know we could get up to a certain point without having to bring in that aerial

lift and maybe it's a case of we do uh the South and the East elevations right up to a certain point um and not incur that cost um you know the lift is going to be a significant expense having to come back and remobilize at a later dat now you're just adding on to the cost you know substantially so it could be a case where we do you know two elevations

and maybe even you know the west elevation without the lift but just to get it up to as far as we can you know and and look at um in the future just continuing it you know beyond that so okay so it is possible all right Alex anything um you answered my questions about the differences in the with the estimates for the masonry so thanks for that uh I think I heard your answer in your

presentation so the plans for phase two that was kind of as mentioned in the application it seems like it just kind of marked before my very eyes almost so uh you in your professional opinion I guess I would ask you what kind of value would there be into going up to the elevation without needing the lift uh from a structural standpoint I guess uh well that I'd let the structural engineer speak to that so I

know that it would be possible getting it up to sort of that that elevation whatever we say that it's going to be um but I wouldn't let it go for too long too much longer beyond that um because the walls are Bo out and you know there is some uh deterioration that you see that's uh coming off the mortar is coming off in the building so um there's a definite concern there

so uh and then could you just detail some of the types of community activities that the church is host to I thought that was very insightful for the application and then also kind of temper that answer with how the building and its state deficiencies are affecting those operations and how might this project improve your community service well I think the number one thank you good question and I I came prepared for

that question um thanks to Mike um this is our first time doing this type of uh so I appreciate Sandy and everybody else's communication and helping us through this um I think the number one benefit uh to all these things I'll mention is safety uh CU you know I I moved to the city about seven years ago and I know the church down the street was all roped off and uh caution taped

up because their Tower was going to fall or whatever so um you know I want to make sure it doesn't get to that point uh for you know Chuck lives next door people live behind us uh there was a church in New London Connecticut that the thing fell in it was a friend of mine's church so that's pretty scary that those are the possibilities so our church um I just took on lead pastor

about a year ago prior to that they really didn't put a little money into this so we're trying to make up for lost time we know this will take many years to do so if we got 100,000 this year we'd put 100,000 next year we'll pray that you guys get two or three4 million for the whole city and uh you never know what can happen but so safety is the number one thing because we have

homeless people coming in and out to uh stay warm stay cool uh to eat uh we have a food pantry that uh we get food out uh pretty much all the time um we have a community art class where the um the senior citizens in the city can come out and get taught and these are all non-religious activities um just because we're a church doesn't mean we're we're uh prizing every single person we you

know for me I'm a Christian I believe we're supposed to love everybody so I love everybody that comes to our church so uh we provide hygiene we provide um clothes warm clothes um go through my list uh warm and cooling center when the city we work with Mike Dion and the mayor as far as when there's a storm we'll work in conjunction with the Tomato Center we'll open up sometimes the uh First Baptist

Church we'll we'll do stuff with them too uh we collect shoes clothes we clean them and then give them back to those in need uh shoes hygiene cleaning products uh we just started this year with RPA resiliency Preparatory Academy where we host a class where the students come up uh they make bags of food to give to uh kids in the community families that don't have food as well there's a lot of

people that fall through the crack so the new uh mayor U not the new mayor the uh the new principal there Kyle I think uh came up with this program with a couple of the teachers to teach them Community Pride they come up they make the bags um and we feed them lunch and stuff so we do that on a regular basis as well um we also host a lot of

community service so the people that go to court the kids that go to court and need place to do community service we we have them come and hang out and we do stuff with them as well so we do stuff with the homeless the addicted the hurting um and sometimes those that are just lost in the city and need something to need something we try to help them in some way shape or form so hopefully that

answered some of your questions all right um is the condition of the building prohibiting you from expanding your services like is there spaces that you're not able to use because of the leaks and stuff that's a great question uh because it starts at the tower comes all the way down into the basement of the church and then uh we have a youth room in the basement we call it kind of

the dungeon area that just all the water ends up down there and this last couple storms we had a couple inches so that's where we wanted to do stuff for the RPA students to teach them computers audio engineering stuff like that cuz we have some equipment that we could use for that so we have vision of what else we can do with the building but we're kind of handicapped with that right now um

just a couple more questions I'll be quick uh so how are all those initiatives funded that you kind of mentioned uh self-funded pretty much from the church uh we um for our food pantry we've applied several times for the Boston food bank but because we're a religious organization they frown on that um so usually just donation Shaws gives us a lot of food um people in our church have a big heart we probably have

about 100 120 people between English and Portuguese and they don't donate money so that so that we can do these type of initiatives and and the city has helped us too I once know while Mike di will give us a check and uh do you have any numbers on how many people you've helped this year or like this past year anything like that oh that's a good question um I know we gave out almost a

thousand bags of food last year uh because we just had an annual business meeting I should have brought that with me um I know we've done that we've done 52 transportations uh back and forth the people in need uh um I don't remember how many uh warming centers we did last year um so I know we've probably you know between RPA and then the regular people probably about a thousand families a year we probably

impact um and then my last question uh Mike would it be possible to as fast as you can I guess before Monday's deliberation meeting or or maybe in the week after get a letter from the structural engineer kind of offering their opinion on the revamp uh plan starting from the ground up um specifically I wonder if the drippage would undo work that the grant would do depending on funding funding timeline uh

so if it would actually be advantageous to just do a single side to kind of minimize dripping and you know affecting the mortar and stuff like that kind of all over again I would just be curious and I think it'd be valuable to know yeah sure absolutely thanks I'm all it okay good um yeah just so I know in the application it said you've applied and or denied a grant from the old and

little church foundation and you were looking for other funding sources so what what kind of sources are out there that you would be able to utilize just say we can't fund the whole thing and it's something that you know obviously you need for the building so what are the other options for you so I applied for Grant station which is a place that's supposed to give you a lot of the the people that are applying um

accepting grants a lot of them right away because you're religious they they they say no which I understand the other ones um we've applied for a few other ones we just haven't heard back yet so um my hope is uh to continue to go through the booklet that Sandy gave us a couple meetings ago too and just kind of blank it shotgun approach try to apply to as many as we can um and hope for the

best but yeah I mean we do have money set aside like Mike said we're paying for his Services out of the church pocket the structural engineer so we're not just trying to take money we have skin in the game as well we just don't have hundreds of thousands and so what's the the amount of people more or less at your church um uh English we've been averaging 75 to 100 or 90 uh Portuguese

as an older congregation probably 40 or 50 people that's bigger than I thought thank work anything no actually a lot of good questions a lot of good answers appreciate the questions I'm kind of uh set thank you yeah that would be good though if you could get us that information and cuz we deliberate on Monday we don't vote though till March 17th so okay whatever information you can give us to okay make it you know

thank you for that option yeah yeah okay okay thanks for the presentation thank you thank you show online I have sticky I don't think that's mine next is uh Corky row uh replace roof front windows and framing around the windows 55,000 it's from Third Street for River can you hear me yes okay um my name is Brad Paul I'm president of the Corky row uh club and I have a PowerPoint uh I think somebody in

the room has to advance it so I'll go to the second slide I can't see it on the screen right now so I'm not sure which slide you're on Brad you're on the second slide okay um so just second we have a problem with the screen hold on unplug unplugging there we go all said Brad okay so you're on the second slide so the quirky Road Club has long history in the city it was established in

1936 it's listed on local state and National Historic registers our uh St Patrick's Day celebration is an old Citywide tradition many of our club members served in World War II Korea Vietnam and Iraq and we are working closely with the Coro neighborhood association our projects in the neighborhood and the repairs that this grant will allow us to do will really help us Advance our programming and

Partnerships in the community next slide oh I can see the slides now great um so this is a slide of our St Patrick's Day which you're probably familiar with is probably the thing we're best known for many people don't know that until I think the late 1950s it was a dinner and a parade next slide this is a shot I believe from 1956 you can see the cork hero members and

very flashy uh coats bowler hats and Canes at the back is one of several floats that came down through the neighborhood as part of this parade uh all the local politicians showed up and when John F Kennedy was running for the US Senate he was a member or walked in the parade as well next Slide the tradition continues and we invite you to join us on Sunday March 17th for this year's St Patrick's Day dinner next

slide and I want to take a minute to tell you about my connection to both the Coran neighborhood and the club it's on both sides of my family on my dad's side my grandfather Pete was a member of the club my father who grew up on Fifth Street and one of the tenaments on Fifth Street with his brother and sister is a second generation member I'm a third generation member and my son Alec is now

a fourth generation member from our family of the Court Euro club and he's not alone there are other there quite a few third and fourth generation members on my mother's side my mother Lillian Paul grew up on Harwell street it's where she met my dad at dery high school they dated she was living there when they got married and her father was Nick fitt who owned fitt movers and he often

sponsored sports teams in Corky ow he would have uh his name fit and movers on the jack and it would say Corky r or corky R Club on it next Slide the club's connection to both Coro and fer veterans is is quite deep um on the left you see on the upper left is's a slide of our annual Memorial Day event it starts with a veterans breakfast at the club then we form up and there's a

parade down to Griffin Park with uh a police guard bagpiper uh flags and Veterans and at the park there's a memorial service and as you know Griffin Park was actually named after sergeant James T Griffin uh he was a a cork hero resident also one of the people who died in World War II I believe one of the first people that died and on the right is a picture of Mayor Coogan speaking about I think two

years ago he was announcing a new Citywide Council veterans Council and grants for veterans totally $100,000 and he chose to hold his press conference at the corki RO Club next slide as you've already stated our request is for $55,000 to replace the old leaking roof to uh replace the front window and do some repair work on the frame and the wall that's been damaged around it plus a 10% contingency and this will seal

completely seal the building and protect it for years going forward next slide and what this will allow us to do besides finished phase one of our billing repairs is Implement our business plan which will help us generate more revenue and also grow our membership and volum based to partner with our neighborhood uh other neighborhood groups to do things like create more neighborhood cleanups we

love to do three or four a year and contribute money toward that we'd like to provide scholarships to Coro residents going to BCC and UMass Dartmouth we'd also like to uh fund sports teams the youth sports teams the neighbor like my grandfather used to do we'd like to put up murals that celebrate the history culture and diversity of Corky row and provide stipend to Residents to fund tours

historic tours the neighborhood put on music events and pay tutors to tutor the kids in the neighborhood next slide uh one of our partners is a COR Corky Road neighborhood association you see them here doing work in the park doing street cleaning and neighborhood cleanups they also hold their monthly meetings at the club and their annual Christmas party where they provide Christmas presents to the children in

the neighborhood next slide we're also joined today by the president of the SAA and Shrine preservation Society you are kind enough a couple of years ago to give a grant to St ANS to replace their roof and they're doing a great job they're almost done with the first phase I'll let him say talk about that if he wants the last slide I have is how does this work contribute to improving Fall River

overall and I talked about this in my uh in my application pory Rose sits at the center of Fall River in the downtown both geographically and historically and in her book Jane Jacobs book the death and life of Great American cities an award-winning book she analyzed what made a neighborhood healthy what made it resilient what made it Thrive and she studied the Northend and Boston and her

conclusion was that the more activity there was the more merchants and residents were walking around the neighb talking to each other engaging with each other the more eyes on the street as she called it the better the chance of a neighborhood and the city around that neighborhood thriving and feeling safe and encouraging other people to go there so that's that's what we want to do with

uh the work we're doing is create a thriving Porky room neighborhood attract more people there and also work with our partners to really make people feel like it's a place to go and do things the downtown has a great restaurant scene a great art scene it has a lot of cultural activities going on we want to contribute to that and grow that so people from the region come to Fall River to spend their money spend their

time and improve the city last slide uh I don't see see you slide up but basically I just wanted to let you know that we have three other speakers Ray ha who's chair of the Corky Road Club board Mark Conrad president of the Coro neighbor Association and Bob Goin president of the St an Shrine preservation Society so I'll hand it off to Ry he's I don't know if he's on Zoom

or in person and after that we be happy to answer any questions all right I don't think Ray's here okay so are you there Ray yeah the only thing is I apologize I can't get the camera working for some reason on this so I'm the iPad uh icon there but um some of you probably recognize your voice so it is me and um good to see you all I can see you and um Mr chairman I'm

here for the purpose of answering any historical questions anything you'd like to know um I was born in the coy Row in 1950 it's been a part of my life for my whole life and um other members of the family and uh we do have uh like uh Brad Paul said uh we have members that go back is probably now it's probably 1942 is the oldest we can go back but um

any questions that I could give you I did hear about the Christmas parties uh yeah they've been going on since 1936 there is an article you might want to read that um I think is on Facebook how Irish was it and would tell the story of the melon part of our country uh you know uh we had Gus Valen cour that cut our hair uh the first president of the club was uh James theola who

lived across the street um we've had uh way back as far as 1950s we had Portuguese presidents uh we had uh three uh Chinese restaurants in the neighborhood uh we had the iwans there that uh had the cor a store um my grandfather had a corner store there and lost it in the depression so I mean that's why I'm participating if you have any questions for the historical side i' be glad to answer

them I'm Mark Conrad I live on Fifth Street I'm the president of the Coro neighborhood association I'm more the modern uh element of the Coro club uh if you may not remember not too long ago the city went ahead and gave us a $300,000 renovation for Griffin Park it's helped Revitalize the community if you're not familiar also with uh how we're having helping the f r police not be so involved with us our um arrest

records have been cut by 2/3 and regularly now we we see very little crime activity on the levels we saw seven years ago uh that's a lot to do with the the work that we do with through through the Corky R club and in the uh Griffin in Griffin Park itself we have youth programs all summer long we do a community day we do all kinds of stuff and we have visions for the future

especially in the weather uh being able to do youth work inside the Coro Club so there's a a future that we're relying upon this building and the club itself as you heard they mentioned about the commitment the club has to trying to improve uh the life and um activities for the Youth in cor and so if anything you want to talk about the present and the future I'm here to answer your questions okay anyone

else okay yeah hi my name is uh Bob Gin from St an Shrine preservation society and uh I just wanted to thank you for the the grant that you given us in previous years and one of the things we found is that uh the once you start fixing the building and people seeing that you're taking care of it uh you tend to be able to raise a lot more money and that's

what we're seeing now the um very uh not too long ago a uh somebody passed away they left us half their estate because they saw the all the work that we were doing on on the shrine and uh the Providence College has come down and they've given us a pretty significant amount of money to fix uh the uh the CP where the Dominicans are are buried and uh you know we've we've uh put the uh

light if you come over the Braga bridge at night you can see St an with all the lights uh all lit up uh it looks beautiful and we've had people who have are not from this area come over the bragger bridge and have gone gone off the U the BR got off the bragger bridge and come to see us and say what is this we you know and uh you know they always

want to go upstairs but we can't take them up there right now so uh when we first started Brad told me he said when you first start raising money that's a tough part but once you you do raise some money and you stop putting the money and people see the improvements then it becomes easier and that that's become very really true and I think the same will be true with cocky

BR okay thank if you have any questions uh yeah I see that uh you didn't get a letter from the historic commission Brad a letter from the historic commission no I didn't know we were supposed to get one I just I assume since we're listed on the the city of Fall Rivers historic properties list the state and we're part of a national reg historic district that that satisfied the requirement but

I didn't ask them I I imagine if would have gotten one it's on the application when is the next historical commission uh well we should have it's it's still in a bance we not quite sure it should be next Tuesday uh if you could contact them we would allow you to get that done and put it in sounds great it's it's just part of the paperwork that we like to see

makes sense to me uh cuz I know you put in a re uh a letter from the Corky Road neighborhood association I did uh now is the the club open daily or it is not the hey days are the heydays are over yes they are so special events uh community activities obviously we just did our first clam boil of the year uh which was very successful and of course

the the next big one is uh St Patrick's Day okay um see you're do the roof and then uh you actually had uh you're picking up quite a bit of the kitchen remodeling the inside uh there there's a there are plans now to be able to expand that kitchen and make it more available okay and you're looking for the roof did you have a and to answer your first question to the extent that

we begin to improve the building and have more and more activities there and generate more Revenue we hope to have the building open more and more often that's our goal that's nice that's good uh I see you got the bid for the window roof now I I you folks sold the parking lot correct now there's always that rumor that you guys are putting it up for sale oh the building itself yeah

that's no longer being considered okay yeah no this is this is our commitment right now because if that was the case in two years you decid you'd have to pay us back correct absolutely and there would be a deed restriction that would go with this property so absolutely if I could Mr chairman and an answer to that question that's that's not being this is R um that's not being considered the

equity in the building is 90% we own we own 90% of the building we have a small mortgage which we we've been paying and uh we don't see a problem with that going forward uh we have this we have discussed if that building's sold we know the caveats on the on the restrictions where you would have to be paid back so I just like to let your board know there's plenty of equity

there to um cover anything if that should ever happen uh in the near future but it's not part of our plan okay um we did have a plan uh that you probably heard about with the uh veterans kitchen and it was a good plan but it never moved forward like some good plans never do and um we had to refocus and uh move forward but during that time the roof

keeps leaking now if you walk into the pub po it's like walking back into history because all the things that were there from the 1950s and so are still there all the trophies the pitches on the wall and in the back hall where that was added into the 1960s I believe uh there's a historic mural on the back wall I know many have been to the club and uh our plan is we'd like to save

that uh mural also um so that's the answer to the question about the sale of the building okay thanks R uh Joan we start with you first any questions no okay Alex hi hi um I saw that in your application under the funding section it said that the club has now committed uh $17,500 to phase one work is that in addition to the funding requested amount or is that for I I didn't know if you

meant phase two or not I know I'm the one sitting here but I'm really here represent it's okay Brad's right there that's primarily from phase two because we' like to complete it as soon as we can because then we could open the building up more often and generate more Revenue the more Reven we have the more we could do things like provide scholarships to kids in the neighborhood going to BCC or UMass Dartmouth or you

know do more murals get more involved in the neighborhood and really Spruce Place up which is what everybody would like to see happen Okay so that's for phase two okay um then I saw that uh Mr Paul you were Let Me Wait so again the projections we have for Revenue are based on all of our fundraisers over the next year and so by the end of this year we would between uh our St Patrick's Day

event our golf tournament our clam bakes our dues and individual contrib that businesses and indidual making we plan to be able to set that aside by the end of the year we really need to fix the roof as soon as possible because the longer we wait the more damage it does um okay and then Mr Paul I saw that you are going to be overseeing the project is that

correct uh yes um and then uh I saw in the application that it acknowledged that the work had to meet the national park services secretary for interior standards um but I didn't see the the contractor acknowledge that in his bid would it be possible to get the contractor to acknowledge that the work can and will be done uh to meet those uh historic preservation standards uh we we can get that we can

produce that for you if you'd like how soon do you need that um before voting so that would be the March meeting but I me the sooner the better 18th yeah or sooner okay just to make sure cuz if it's found you know down the line that the work didn't meet those standards the club would have to pay the grant amount back and you know no one would want to see

that and I just mentioned I many years ago I worked for the National Trust for historic preservation and I'm very familiar with the the standards you're talking about I also served on the California preservation Foundation board and I currently serve on the preservation commission or it's called San Frisco Heritage in San Francisco so okay ex one of my great loves and I'm very familiar with how you can qualy

with those secretary standards all right excellent that's great to hear um and then I saw in your Revenue projections or I think it was your your budget uh the club's budget that the rental Hall event the the fy2 24 Revenue Source I mean that was only kind of earmarked for a th000 to 2,000 a year and I'm guessing that is limited in that way because of the roof would that be

accurate yes and we do do some rental particularly for uh birthday parties kinsen era parties um events but it's hard if it's raining or there's a leak in the roof it just discourages people from doing that and we were we did a conservative estimate in that area because I try to be conservative in all those estimates um so we know what we will be facing but if we can get the

roof fixed fairly soon I think we can increase the amount of hall rentals as well all right that's kind of what I thought I just wanted to establish a correlation because seeing that item I thought that there was definitely room for improvement uh if the roof was fixed is what I was guessing so thank you that's it I'm all it Chris I no everybody's hit on my questions already

so the only thing I would like to ask is uh in this quote here it shows replacing a front window and yeah is that going to remain as original when it's completed or is you uh this you know we're gonna we're going to replace it with a similar window to meet the Secretary of interior standards that window is pretty much shot it's been there my time and it's been corroded right and if you're going

to attend the historic commission meeting uh I would probably bring that up we have uh through the CPC there have been drawings and and a document developed so that it would give you a little bit of resources to to research the window and its application thank you okay I guess that's it then thanks thank you very much thank you thank you thank you Ray okay see you bye thank you let's

see next is the uh FL School building uh it's aside uh patio railing and then uh you can take whichever one excuse me

you might want to excuse me right you might want to call Carrie at the planning department car I find out when the next historic commission meeting is going to be should be Tuesday not agenda yet yes record so you know that sounds and it's imperative that you get that letter absolutely you going to wake up it was yeah it was I don't know

why it's sleepy I like the presentations makes it then everybody else can see it

too computer's playing games sorry well we can start with the introductions yeah uh Ken Pico Chief Operating Officer for of the public schools I'm Andrew Barkley with RGB Architects and uh been working with Ken on uh the school administration building and I don't know why there it goes go I I put together a quick power point I was hoping to share uh but it's so Ken real quick did you get the

split minis put in already so we haven't we we have two put in so far we haven't done the whole building but we do have two sted uh in the building and um the plan is probably from now until August we'll be doing the air conditioners wouldn't be going back in the window no air conditioners be going back in those windows absolutely not no absolutely not when would it uh when would it be appropriate for us

to take a look at the sample windows that are in there so I have a sample window that we we actually had a window that um the exterior wasn't what we wanted okay okay we sent that one back so we had um a local vendor herner developed the window we wanted with the outside finish that we wanted um that window has just arrived okay and uh we will hopefully have that window at the

building within the next week I would say um I'm installed I'm not quite sure it's a it's a first floor installation it's in our main a new main entrance um and um the hope is is that we have a contract already lined up so um they will be ready as soon as the window hits to uh get that installed I'm not quite sure though um the window will be at our

site I'm just not sure it'll be installed in time for your uh decision that's the only concern okay does it meet secretary standards it does yeah would you notify John when the window comes in and we could probably go take a look and see what it's made of it's construction definitely take a photo yeah we we can take a photo and send it over we we also have uh in in

the packet is the uh design of that window the of actually all the windows uh and the specs for each of the windows we're coming we're getting there it's trying I don't know what's going on but show up there we go oh there it is sorry I had it up and then the computer shut off decided to go to sleep on me I guess all right there it is no

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but come on yeah yeah Cable's in it just seems to be kicking out and I don't know why but so are you seeing what we're seeing yeah we're seeing the whole thing up there behind you we're seeing it so okay all right let's see it should just go well I can go right through this it should may not be pretty not presentation but anyways all right sorry so um just real quickly want to go

through the the school um sort of scenario that we we the process we've been through um again the building's at 417 uh rock well Rock Street it's not working um it it actually was a a single family home and it's an original Construction in in uh 1900 uh for uh William Brighton but then uh school's been taken over and been used at the uh Public School Central Administration uh now for a number of

years uh three story masonry building um uh built in the style of a colonial revival I'm sure you all are aware of where it sits but right behind the historic uh commission uh uh building uh we've gone through a whole process of looking at uh the windows um for all all around excuse me for Demolition and then replacement um matching the profile the mutton withd um basically me the Secretary of interior

standards for replacement of the windows they are the original windows that are in the building uh and uh yet the renovation is not going to do anything to change the uh or the the look or the style and they're actually a wood clad or wooden window with an aluminum clad uh uh veneer on them so they are actually very uh should last I don't know another 80 years or more um I would

hope we've gone through the process of of C sorry I can't see that but categorizing all the windows defining the windows and uh the doors and we've also found in the basement uh number of the wooden shutters so we'd like to include that into the project to replace the windows and then uh potentially Salvage the hardware and put the original type of wood shutters back uh to really all the way around the

building at at all floor levels and we have some uh we sort of subdivided some of the work um as alternates the way it's broken out but there's some iron Juliet balconies that we'd like to restore um they're not in bad shape other than they need to be uh say re sand blasted and repainted um and then there's a whole an additional ad uh in terms of uh a wooden ballustrade um on

the end of the porch uh that's really quite beautiful um that we're looking to uh it's actually gone too far or it can't be uh Salvage but it can be emulated or copied and Ken's even trying we're trying to get the high school students in the carpentry shop to help in um taking measurements and fabricating new components to match what's there and existing um so that's so Diamond has already agreed on that

portion yeah um it's been to the school committee um they are going to um to recreate the the ballister the the um the rail and hopefully even do the install if it hits in the right time of the year which would be really nice um a nice touch to to what we're doing and the hope is that when we finish that piece we will take those uh Rail and send that over to the school to be

refinished um and then installed um also so the the process um the school department is also doing some other investments in the building getting rid of the window air condition is is is one big piece for us um and also uh we are going to paint um the upper uh section of the building right um and that should happen this summer no matter what else we do that's on the docket to be done uh

this summer and then some other work um on the interior of the building the building is um home for the superintendent of schools um all of her senior staff and um probably about 15 support staff within that building 25 to 30 people um um make their home there uh just about uh every day um not the school year but U just about every day um as an Administration office and it does see an awful lot of

visitors from out of town um the uh Department of Ed is always in and out of our building and they're always just at awe with the stair well and and the different portions of that building they just they leave there and they're just looking around the the conference room downstairs um everything uh about the building um is is um is very much appreciated by those who appreciate that kind of uh uh building

and and the amount of work it took to to put that uh to put it together originally but what um what we're trying to do is is get as much of that building back to um to pristine condition that we possibly can um within the confines unfortunately that building doesn't um lend itself on our side to any kind of education money you know education money needs to have some students around and

um we just can't put a couple there just for show we really have to actually turn turn into an educational uh building and that's not what it's designed for it's gifted as the administration building in 1950 to the to the uh district and it will return to its rightful owner if we don't use it for that um and the building can't be sold or um it has restrictions so the goal is to keep

moving forward um as I said here uh my my ERA last year uh put us behind the whole year uh and um I uh I've gued this with my life but I I um we're going to do the school Department's committed to doing this project uh and you know whatever help we can get would appreciate um it's it's not a uh we're not going to walk away and not do anything you know no matter what happens

um but whatever help we can get we'll uh move the project uh forward to uh hopefully uh to uh uh a fruition and I will definitely whatever um whatever I can to get that at least a photo of the of the window as soon as we pick it up and have it in our building and then um with any luck the contractor is a local contractor and uh and she'll be ready to

install that as soon as uh as soon as we uh get it okay um the only question I had on person uh looking at the budget Personnel 30,000 what is this so we're going to do we're going to do all of the demo work you know completely um I would say that uh we're going to probably um do the Interior Carpentry on the windows so we're looking for someone to install the windows in place we will

do we have four Carpenters on staff um that will probably do whatever they can in this entire project to to uh move it forward um so that number um I'm going to say would fluctuate but some of that number would be just the hauling away we we're trying to let the contractor that we hired just install Windows to keep that cost down and then we will do as much as we possibly can

inhouse um with the clean up the demo and and so on well you know we're in a little bit of uh funding this year we didn't get the now if we were not to fund a 30 you could uh still do the project with the construction and absolutely okay all right we're just looking to save a little help you out help us out you know uh then we already went over the windows

so my questions are fine uh do we'll start with Joe Joanne any questions okay uh Alex no questions uh remember the presentation well from last year happy for the updates and the continued effort thank you thank you CH I'm good uh the only question uh is both of you the addition is this additional spindles and railing that you were talking about that's got to be repaired in addition to the porch this is the

porch this it is the POR so it's the front it's the Rock Street um about the patio as we call it the Rock Street patio right and then the because that's another project that's another project here so that's the one that were talking about the diamond is involved in okay you were talking about the second project yes okay good I was a little confused because I went over too fast

yeah we just we just shift the gears too quickly okay gotcha Could you actually just because we have it in front of us could you just kind of differentiate the two and the amounts for the public that are watching so if I'm not mistaken um memory I don't have and getting Diamond involved in this is you know this is a two and threefold advantage because we're using the diamond students we're giving them

uh hands-on experience with with uh you know I got it right here if you want me to just yeah so the the the separation is 60,000 for the patio and front entrance so the front entrance is basically a lead abatement project um and then you know repainting uh and then the railings will be replaced doing that um or refinished I should say not place and then the window project is

260 okay which would include on the back porch does that include the door there there's a wooden door the wooden doors were put in um as an alternate they side doors um under the window project but the front entry and the wooden rail guard rail it that's the 60,000 the separate project right so yeah so the main entrance right cover entrance will be an alternate I don't believe that we're going to do all of

this and not change that door that goes out to The Patio okay but it wasn't included in the original number right and on the ballad the spindles Diamond's going to turn those also for far I know they are they they they're looking um I think they've uh identified the species mhm um and I think that they are what I didn't do is I didn't want them again cuz I try to follow the rules

except for my mistake last time but I try to follow the rules I don't want to have them startop working on stuff so that it's done ahead of time I also want to be able to provide the school with the material um and I don't want to again don't want to do that because it's not a reimbursable kind of thing so to keep it on the up and up we're trying to

um they've already practiced it on on you know another piece of lumber um that they know they can do it it's whether or not um you know when we're ready they'll do that purchase and and do that good experience they're also working on the iron um the uh rod iron rail on the outside which is nothing to do with this committee but that's going to be replaced um all put back and they're

going to well and Bild the Roth iron uh railing yes that's actually your fence line used to be there the fence that used to be there they're going to replace oh really that's going to look amazing well yeah and there's some Granite work that we've salvaged from um the Watson School from the hey school and one other school that were demolished we went on the property um after the fact nobody wanted this but we

took a bunch of granite that we think we can uh trace the property the way it's traced in the front of the building on the Rock Street and half of Walnut we still have half of Walnut and High Street that we need to trace to property under the fence so that's so I think we have enough material to do that so we're going to do the granite piece inhouse with our labor and then the

fence Diamond will uh work with us and we do have some columns for the driveway that came from the Hy school so nice nice it's great good all right thank you gentlemen thank you thank you you know what would be great is if if Diamond does get involved and they're able to do some of the kids get the hands on in historic preservation if maybe a couple of those kids go on and

decide hey I want to specialize in this and then we have our own little local store preservationist that would be great we will we will as we do with most of our stuff we will um have a teaching moment so to speak with the kids um as far as both diamond and the dery uh construction craft flavors program up are going to install that Granite on the outside they've done

some work for us with granite um not that we have a few pieces but we have a few pieces of granite um and uh they're installed they installed it at the tany school uh to to uh pull back uh a piece of property that was starting to dip down into our property so there's been quite a bit of work with the students so I think that this project will be nice with the two schools working together

they be a good experience thank you thanks thank you I hate it when I have technical diffic difficulty better

sorry yeah the whole wood rail is actually actually pretty interesting cuz it has these wooden Piers or pylons and then the rail the bottom and the top Rail and then I was trying to find something that could copy them and I'm like no they're they're short chunky chunky units yeah yeah they've got to be turned right right yeah and you can't go find those pieces anymore it's skill right right no good all right well the

next project is the forward Children's Museum you want uh they're looking for 385,000 for uh water repair uh uh let's see uh stop the water infation station uh locations uh in the building to and uh upgrade the window casings trim and uh roof roof drains and gutters associated with the area and this is located on North Main Street um state where your name and Tammy mutino I am the facility superintendent for Brisco

County again I'm Andrew Barkley with RGB Architects assisting Bristol County Commissioners on these project uh so our our project is for what now H is the Fall River Children's Museum it is the former um Superior courthouse on Main Street um we lease it out to the the Children's Museum uh so this uh this phase we've decided to phase phase our project at your request uh and I changed

up our application request a little bit uh took out all our interior um stuff as you requested as well and focus this time more so on the roof uh which we had you know someone take a look at so this phase one now is the focus will be on the immediate need for roof repairs there's you know more than you where we're starting but we're going to start with the three known worse

areas uh of water filtration and restoration and uh in addition to that we'd like to also move down into the mortar joint you know that are degraded or missing window case trimmings where the joints meet the stone some new copper flashing slate and masonry and I believe we're also we also intend to uh include some roof drains and gutters if we could if we can get our project you know to fall below the roof

yeah yeah so that's basically falling right up up on Tammy's you know the the building built in uh 1889 and uh beautiful uh pretty impressive uh of course and a real landmark building in Fall River and uh it's just needs uh some repair uh especially some of the high roof conditions slate roofs held really well for 150 plus years but um and the copper in many cases as well but it's just

showing age and uh the effects of time and weathering and so that's where we are really trying to stabilize the exterior um look at repairs for flashing uh copper roof repair some slate repair um and then some tuck pointing and some masonry stonework in in limited or kind of localized areas um that you can just visually see that uh is contributing to actually some water allowing the some

moisture to come into the building building actually into the walls and then it makes its way into the interior of the building so uh kind of a fascinating history um doing some research on this uh the original building was uh uh cost $180,000 that's fantastic right it cost that now but this that's that that's uh in$ 18889 but uh so again beautiful building need some exterior repair but we're

really focusing on the on the roof uh had um some contractors come and look at it um and see uh the condition wh up on top uh hopefully you can see some of those but missing parts of gutters missing parts of flashing or open flashing um significant uh it's just damage over time and so it needs uh some some repair so we did have some I think you you application you have some drone shots of

it to really see the sort of the magnitude of the roof but it's uh it is actually really beautiful too and that it's completely around the building has all the same level of uh detail or ornament and embellishment to it so but really this request is for uh like we said copper roof repair some localized masonry and U we have we didn't get into the windows yet you know start at the roof yes start at

the roof keep it secure stabilize it it um it's a contributing piece significant piece of architecture for Fall River um it's actually been uh a Civic building even though was constructed in 1890 but now it's even used as the museum for the children uh children's that's use every day yeah and then your package right in your package the phase one part is sort of to the front side what's marked as

the blue um in in that U we will of course follow historic be the last page protocols for that um and Bristol County has how many you have seven or eight buildings that there we Bristo County owns eight buildings seven of which are historical yeah so they're really looking that and we have projects going on at five five of the seven right right now so this would be six of the seven if we can get any

funding for it okay all right I see you got your letter of support from the Historical Society commission commission uh then I see you got a letter from uh Paul kitchen the chairman of the Bristol County Commissioners uh full support for the project uh my question here you have it broken down where it says roof slate gutter copper and flashing repair 195 882 that takes care of the

roof yes for the first phase yeah so the Mason are you could get away without doing that if we only had to fund yeah that's what we would do we' do the roof first and our second priority would be the masonry that is listed um we just put that off you know until we can uh figure out some more funding you fig the best thing would be to button up the building so it doesn't

leak it in correct you know start somewhere since it's been neglected for so long so this would be phase one would just be that's so we're aiming for you know is that the CH over the Children's Museum yes so we're looking at the the southwest corner and the west side right front which is front sou Southwest portion because that is also the portion that is affecting the interior as well

especially like the masonry piece all right and that's all secretary standards you be following yes sir all right okay oh that's why I was looking at it upside down this is North Main Street where the green is yes it's okay cuz I'm saying no that looks like the part over the registry but no yeah I I didn't put that picture in right the main so yeah it's kind of tricky because

the registry of deeds is to the to the north side yeah so I okay now it makes more sense have you looked into uh the Slate have you looked into different uh choices that the state what you do now of of types of slate yeah material no I don't know I mean in terms of replacement yeah cuz they have uh I compos composite oh yes looks like a slate yeah I'm aware of that I don't

know if that historically would be acceptable it it is there are some there are some types that are okay acceptable um there's some that you you would look at them huh and you would never know that they weren't slate and they're lighter they're actually lighter on the roof so it doesn't put as much pressure on the uh overall the roof is in generally good condition though so you might not want

to start mixing and matching yeah no but if it well if you're going to do the whole roof but eventually but yeah yeah I didn't know that had been accepted I I'm on another historic review commission I've been a commissioner for 12 years and we're always saying composits aren't allowed and you know but I've have I'm aware of them I've seen them and they are really pretty convincing they're in the Fall River

fire Museum really okay oh they did end up using that all right I know they were in the process of looking at that when I was I guess it might be different when considering it might take you a few years to get yeah the end result I don't know how different that would look so yeah that's a much smaller room yeah you through the CPC here there was monies

funded to have a a study done and and a booklet put together and it shows a lot of various uh composits that can be you know utilized U so it might be something you want to look at it's being used in many many cities and it is approved so is your study available online U it is online on it's on it's on the CPC and the historical commission right you go

on our side it's the guidelines pres preservation guidelines okay cuz I was looking at the website that I where well should be under resources preservation design guidelines okay yes all right Joan any questions nope okay Alex question could you describe the impact on museum operations uh from the leakage I think you said it was the affected area the masonry piece yeah so the masonry what what would in studying all

the actually started looking at the interior walls all the plaster um we we know it's this heavy Granite block um with a masonry and uh backup um what's happening with the joints and any type of water infiltration into the wall because it's a solid bearing wall it it'll absorb water and then it will if you try and cool it or air condition it which through the window units it actually makes it worse because now

you're dehumidifying you're trying you're actually pulling water into the building so if it's an active leak they can deal with it but uh the way the older building was set up is that it would take some water um and then freeze and Tha it would it would transition the moisture would be allowed to dry in the summer and then maybe take on in the fall and what's happening now it seems

like we're getting the windows leaking and the flashing leaking and some of the joints that are the mortar's fallen out so we're getting pretty gross water into into the wall cavity and then the wall cavity is being pulled in into the plaster and the plaster absorbs that um the paint on the on the inside starts to Bubble or spall and uh so we have wood rod on the on the wood but we're getting

uh wood rod on the LA and then the plaster is starting to break down because of that efflorescence or the moisture Drive uh back and forth over the number of years that it's getting wet so if you can keep it dry and stabilize it it won't won't continue to get bad but um that's kind of where we are inside and you can see some of that interior damage in these pictures that I

exed out from my first phase of uh the application um and then you mentioned a commitment from bril County Commissioners uh to provide you know funding and stuff for maintenance could you just detail what that might be or is so we have um we have custodial staff um that are are interchangeable from throughout our buildings so I have 14 staff members and they're all um they're very handy in one

way shape or form I have one that or a couple actually that are very good at carpentry uh you know they're all good at maintenance and um and the county does keep up with as far as like Electrical Plumbing is you know H back as much as we can so we would definitely keep up with and last question has there been any uh past recent projects done by the Commissioners on the building in far

this particular building this particular one like what not to my knowledge so not a a while yeah it's it has to have been a while because I've I've only been in position for 10 months now so uh I have something going on all those other buildings that I've gotten in place you know in the 10 months that I'm here so I just plan on moving forward you know as much as I can while I'm around okay

thank you appreciate itome I think just to contribute to that Tammy wouldn't know I don't either but uh the exact date but there's an uh there's an attempt to cool to provide hvc to the building and so there's big uh which I I think this committee um funded some that many split project for the museum the museum came for them themselves that yeah I'm good now just uh the uh County budget is it similar to

the city budget when it comes to putting maintenance money in the budget for keeping up with buildings or is it I couldn't answer that because I am not to any of the financial information they have their own Financial people I just strictly do build you know maintaining the buildings and custodial stuff are you given like a capital reserve budget for projects I am not given a budget okay thank you it's

insightful she's in charge but has no control of yeah so I just the money I just go with the flow do what I have to do and uh present it to the commission you know as they as they come up with projects or you know their wants and needs so right now you know they're you know um trying to utilize arpa funds as much as they can which all have to be

committed this year so when I came on they pretty much already had everything kind of earmarked um for the little bit that they have their budget is nowhere near a city budget it's like that I can tell you okay it's it's important to to maybe get an idea if it has a working on these budget requests do you have a fixed budget for maintenance on a building like that they say look you've got

50,000 to continue maintenance on this building said I cannot say for sure I can assume that there is because as I am you know purchasing supplies and needs for each building each building I do know has its own budget how they budget that out I couldn't tell you but is there any there are line items evidently in there is there any way of getting that documentation to us just so we

could look and see what kind of sustaining maintenance is involved I mean like I haven't been provided it but technically if you're asking I'll ask on your behalf sure be nice to know you know maybe then you finally know yeah it might it would help yeah yeah yeah but I do know yeah so I know there is budgets for supplies I don't know how they budget out maintenance um throughout the counties

because they have all of Bristol County you know that they handle all the budgets for the county not just like for their buildings but um yeah it would be more than happy to ask cuz I mean this would be our second uh project for the building so it would be nice to know that it's being continued and maintained and so when you say second are you referring to the children's museum children museum

because when the Children's Museum came before you from my understanding that strictly Children's Museum they came as a nonprofit not as a county representative but we still consider in the same building so okay you know all right I would consider it first County project well we will consider that too that is that is we want to make sure the building you moving forward with more County projects okay well I don't

have any further anyone else okay thank you folks thanks for the adjustments you're welcome you need any more I have a whole box of these uh any new business you want just explain the next meeting for the public our next meeting is uh February 12th which will be deliberation which mainly means we sit down and we go over the 11 projects we just uh listen to and uh any questions

we might have how we feel about it something might be missing in this package that gets uh filled in that's what we'll be discussing on Monday uh then if or further as we go March 18th will be our voting uh um so a lot of our information will come from deliberation to help us determine our voting on March 18th um anything else and voting is done in a scoring system yeah which will

explain yeah okay uh can I have a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn I'll second uh roll call start with zoom Joan Bentley yes Alexander Silva yes CH K oliv yes John BR Yes Rick s yes and that's all right