3.21.2023 Historical Commission

rivers on YouTube as well today is Tuesday March 21st 2023 it is 602 pm pursuant to the open meeting law any any person may make an audio or a video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible may

I get a roll call please Connie Saul here via Zoom um Joyce roderick's present who is the black president and Jason Bouchard naraki present uh via Zoom all right um let's see um first up is the review and approval of the minutes from February 21st 2023 uh did everyone get a chance to take a look at those yes excellent I'll make a motion that we accept the minutes of the meeting the

past meeting I'll second that motion all right I have a motion Barry Rick and a second by Connie um to approve the minutes from February 21st uh may get a roll call vote please Elizabeth the block yes okay yeah Joyce roderick's accepts the minutes Rick Mancini yes and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes okay thank you all right um do we have any citizen inputs okay um the next item we had a notice of

intent to demolish um the address was uh is 181 Bell Rock Road um it's a city on property that's not on the register of significant structures for the city I did indicate to carry um that um it's not listed so I'm not sure what I looked it up on the map and it looked like it was just uh like an old power grid station I'm not 100 sure but um so that was that um

next uh we had some correspondence um the first one I received uh was from Sandra uh melanston she's the owner of 710 Rock Street um she was requesting requesting permission to repair um the roof on her front porch from storm damage she had sent over um a photo through um through email um I'm not sure if I sent that over but it was a strip of the rolled asphalt roof that was a section of it was

missing um and she was just looking to get that patched um so because we there is the exclusion in the ordinance um indicating um we we don't have purview on any replace any repairs to storm damage unless there's a change to the material um and the scale and the shape and so forth of it um that she she was allowed to go through and repair that section of the roof so I did indicate that to her

um and I think she will be coming before us um as a side note uh in the future to have the porch on the side uh repaired so that's so that's just as an adjunct I believe that roof has been repaired I was by there two days ago and I it looked like a new road roof on there okay yeah it was um I think it was just it was a very

small section that was just peeled off that looked like so excellent okay um next item um we had a excuse me could we move uh item seven and that will free Ken if we have to I'd like to make a motion that we move jump from three to seven so we can discuss and get the school department squared away sure um so that will be changing uh item number seven item number four um may I get

so there's a motion by Rick Connie Seoul seconds the motion okay all right so I have a motion by Rick uh and a second by Connie to move item number four uh to I'm sorry item number seven to item number four um second that motion oh Connie already uh seconded it sorry um can I get a roll call vote please Connie Soul yes yeah Elizabeth the black yes all right Rick Mancini yes

yes okay um so we have uh Ken pachico um Ken do you mind um just introducing yourself and who you you are representing sure my name is Ken Pacheco the Chief Operating Officer for Fall River Public Schools I reside at 417 my office is 417 Rock Street in Fall River thank you um we have two requests um for um our CPA eligibility application funding application um two separate projects one project is a window replacement

um of 74.

um Windows I'm sorry 78 Windows uh at the um Administration Building at 417 Rock Street um the um the design work um is all in place um it was work that was done um by uh RGB uh they are looking to match the windows um to what we have to be sure that the exterior look is um maintained is maintained the window is um I would say extremely the wind the building itself is extremely drafty it

is uh rattling Windows um we have we have them um stuffed with insulation just to keep them from you know from uh falling in but uh we can uh we can detect the windy day in here like uh Michael's standing outside sometimes but it's it's uh we've done a lot of work in the building a lot of work was done um through uh CPA funding new roof which uh was the first thing we wanted to get

done to preserve the building and um we've done the chimney the restoration of the chimneys on the on the on the building and on the next step um is uh you know the windows we've done a lot of painting in the building um many repairs uh and upkeep in the building a new um ramp to make the first floor accessible um we do have meetings in this building um that we can accommodate size-wise uh

in our um in the main room the school committee room on the first floor um and um we are we intend on continuing uh the work in this building to bring it up to um to where it should be and there's some work that we'll be planning this summer outside of um the CPA funding to um take care of the parapet wall on the roof area uh clean it up make it look nice and then um

it's it's the pain and is is really in rough shape it's an expensive abatement um it's all lead paint so um the containment the abatement and then the paint job is is um is what we plan on doing hopefully uh late summer of this year uh no matter what kind of um work that the CPA you know has planned it'll be quite a ways out because when those for this project

would probably be 15 to 20 weeks once the date that we ordered them uh my best guess so we wanted to have a template window in place um before we went we got to the funding round with the CPA but um they just couldn't deliver it um boy expecting it probably in three to five weeks and we ordered that a late uh November um so it's uh it's been quite quite the ordeal with uh with waiting

for items not just for this project for most of the construction projects that we do um but that's what we live with and uh so that's our expectations um the window project is probably um outside of Labor uh probably 165 000 worth of of product we're gonna buy all the product at one time all the windows because of this ordering ordeal and then we will um do some of the work that we have

funding for and then we will um either slowly do the work outside of CPA or go for another round depending on you know what it looks like at that time so that's one project um and then the second project is to work on the patio in the main entrance so um the building has a rock street address it faces Walnut Street um so the the side of the building the

west side of the building is where this patio sits in the um the spindles of the ballasts or all of the rail work in the front is been slowly deteriorating um for the last 100 years and we are we're looking to to have that work done we are um working in in collaboration with diamond um they are extremely talented I I taught there for 16 years in the plumbing program and have always enjoyed

doing projects in the city and the towns um because it's a great learning experience for the kids and this project here in particular um had a um this railing project we can't buy the product um to make it look exactly what it looks like now so um we're going to have them fabricate it um out of out of the um the species that we feel will be um uh probably most robust uh in in the

weather they'll be making every piece of the of the rail the the upper and lower Rail and the balusters and the um and that product again um is either going to be installed by a contractor or my my goal would be to see if Diamond wanted to take it on as a project completely um both the the uh fabrication of it and then the installation um front entrance the main entrance

which we don't use anymore because of the stairs um and we use the handicap accessible entrance on a daily basis um we'd like to take care of the columns and all of that work that really nice trim work that's on the front of the building again um when we do the upper part of the building we would like to keep coming down taking care of that um and um you know removing the paint

the lead paint and then redoing that work and replacing whatever Uh Wood is damaged um so that's the two the two main pieces of the project um we feel the railing piece of the project is a will be a faster or it'll move quicker than the window project just because of the ordering but um we have not visited Diamond yet so we've called them they've put up put this project on a list of their projects

they've accepted it the school committee has accepted it and um we will be moving ahead with this project um and I will say that we'll probably move ahead with this project will the CPA gets involved or not uh with the CPC gets involved we will we will do this project because it's on their list and we think it has some value on that side and they've been gracious enough to

um to accommodate us and want to be involved in the project so um our architect will go to the school we'll we'll turn it into a true uh lesson um with with the uh the picking of the species with the the design work um we'll ask you know the the instructors if they can do some field measurements all that kind of stuff that would make this project a full Year's lesson um and um

and on that topic but not part of it they're also doing some wrought iron rails uh Rhode Island fence bars to match the fence small pieces that we have left on the property so the hope is is to eventually have all of that fence work and the rest of the building um looking great from the outside and then we will have the plumbing is still 100 years old and all that stuff inside

um but we will uh slowly but surely upgrade that but the Aesthetics of the building is what we're really concerned great um good job um sorry go ahead no no go go right ahead um Ken um are the the windows going to be um uh I guess replicating what's there I I think there's are they six over six they are yes okay I just had to look I'm sorry

um and all right um is there still a plan for um uh are they I'm assuming they're going to be operable Windows double hung um and okay yes right the only place that we probably won't have operable is in the staircase it's a good sized window um mob probably in the vicinity of about 10 12 feet tall um and it has a storm window on the outside of it

um our hope with that one is is that we will have it operable but it'll never uh we'll never open that window um there's no need to on that side the rest of the windows we would like them to open we are slowly but surely putting um heat pumps mini split air conditioning into the building so that we can get rid of all of the window air conditioners because I definitely we

definitely don't want a window air conditioners into the new windows so that work is ongoing we've put two units in already um we've got about 12 to 14 more units to put in some of that stuff will be up on the roof where it's not seen others will be um in in areas either on the back of the building low or um uh into the attic space um where we have some exterior venting available

and now that was my main concern too was uh talking from from both CPC and and historic here is the windows you would want not want to see new windows installed and then have to fabricate some sort of a mounting frame form window hung air conditioning so that's that's really good that was a good answer I like that yeah preserves it how about the glass is that an insulated glass or it isn't it it is

yes it is an insulated glass um it's wood um wood on the inside and it's a clad on the outside um for weather protection but it is a wood window on the inside um and it'll match all of the um the uh framed uh the woodwork within the building whether it's in in rooms so half the building um has Stained windows on the um for lack of better turn on the help side

which is where my office is on the on the people who maintain this building for the family who lived here uh on that side of the building the woodwork is Stained on the rest of the building it's painted white um so all of those windows will match wherever they are um to match the room oops well great um and I had one other question oh um regarding uh the meeting last night

um with the CPC because I know there was an issue with the time was that did it go through um I received the letter about 10 minutes before um 10 minutes before the meeting started tonight I only got one letter and that was on the railing project um I don't know if there's a second one and that was just the one that was finished that was sent okay my

expectations are if it is it is I can't you know I mean it's my fault it's not a a situation um to doing anything other than that that it was uh a uh a misstep on my part and um when you sent me the email that that the uh letter will be good for a year um then we will you know make that decision on our side as far as moving forward

um where we will be okay I I can answer that being on the CPC uh neither one of the school department projects uh were were Incorporated in the decisions last evening because of the lack of the letters and it's it's very very uh pronounced and and in our CPC uh Forum that all the letters necessary have to be submitted before the vote and so I can answer the question is no on both

projects by the way I've reviewed the drawings and I've seen all of the recommendations from the architect and uh we've spoken to uh the yourself Ken on the railing uh and I both of those projects a good project so I'm I'm sure that when you reapply they'll they'll be voted on in in good conscience uh what the positive note uh the projects are well worth it the building is great uh

and and you know being involved from Diamond myself I have a little gentle spot there also with you getting them to do the railing uh that that'll be really quite an accomplishment for them because that that's intricate work trying to absolutely you know trying to turn those spindles and balusters and yeah that'll be really good absolutely and fantastic skill too for the students to learn and yeah so that's wonderful

um anyone have any other questions for Ken at all thank you okay um okay I'll make a motion that we uh get two letters of acceptance uh sent to uh Ken pachico on the two school department projects both the railing and the window replacements okay okay I'll second that motion Joyce second it okay so I have a motion by Rick and a second by Joyce to approve the two letters of support for the

window replacement project and the railing for the school department um I got a real call though uh Connie Connie Seoul yes Elizabeth yes sorry I was on mute sorry uh Rick Mancini yes Joyce uh Joyce I agree I accept thank you and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes um great Ken I will get those letters to you um ASAP so you have them thank you very much and I and I appreciate I appreciate

the board taking it up I know it was last minute on my part getting it to you but I really appreciate the support thank you thank you very much take care thank you okay um so we were jumbled out of order so that was um item seven that was moved to item number four um so we do need to I'll make a motion that we go back from seven go back to motion number four and

follow the order of Correspondence okay so I have a motion by Rick um I'll suck in that motion Connie's Soul okay uh motion by Rick and a second by Connie to move back into order so we'll be looking at item number five um see I may get a roll call vote please Connie yes okay Elizabeth Yes Rick Rick Mancini yes Joyce Joyce rodericks yes and Jason Rocky yes okay um so the next item number five I'm

sorry the original number four um so this would be number five is for 18 quikishan Street uh the wampanoak Mills um I received a notice or um an inquiry from Carrie um the owner is looking to replace 53 Windows um and I I looked it up it's very interesting the uh because it is attached to the curtain Lofts um so the curtain Lofts is owned by one entity and this particular uh section of

the building is owned by another owner um and historically it's known as the weaving shed uh for the old Wampanoag Mills and um so they're looking to have 53 windows replaced um and uh I didn't indicate to carry that the building is on on the national register it's not uh as part of the 40c district and there's no preservation deed restrictions on the property that I that I noticed using um

the mattress website with a Massachusetts historical commission um I did indicate to her that the property is eligible for historic tax credits um as well as CPC uh funding um so she was to contact the owner um to see if they can if what they're looking for but there were no design regulations against replacing Windows um so that was that on item number on the 418 quickashin Street um the next item

so the former number five which is now number six is 222 Belmont Street the EP Charlton house uh the number one EP Charlton house um they were indicating they wanted to make repairs to the chimney and if there's any design restrictions on that um and I indicated to Carrie once again that the property is not located in the 40c it is in the National registered district for the highlands but

um aside from that there's no uh we have no review over the alteration alterations or repairs to the chimney and the next item I'm sorry were there any questions done any of these do do apologize on that no um and the next one um so the former number six now number seven um we have uh representative from Battleship Cove this is um the Fall River Maritime Museum uh they're looking for a letter of support

for CPA funds um at 70 Water Street hello um I have a um let's see I just ask that you introduce yourself and who you are representing please Chris Nardi Chief Operating Officer at Battleship Cove thank you how are you tonight good thank you welcome um so the project that you're doing at Maritime Museum correct um would you mind explaining or um uh describing what the the CPA request is for the um request was is for

the funding for to write up the specifications for an HVAC system in the maritime museum for both the archival storage space and for visitor Comfort um and the um in order you know to we need to put the um the project out to bid but we don't have specifications written yet okay did you have a preview you're going to include a study Chris how would you you would in order to do a

bid summary you really should know what you want to do with the with the AC you want to know the measure out the rooms nowhere cooling side is your north side is what you're going to need for sizing so all of that's going to be done they're going to do a study and then put out a bid well that's that's included in the cost by The Architects to to make sure that's produced in a proper fashion

that's part of the cost why don't you uh why don't you go into some depth and explain to us what's going on and out in the public also uh you know what do you what are you trying to achieve what are they going to be doing with this with this project okay so there's been a multi-phase project um CPC funded um the um first of all the the specifications for an upgraded electrical system then

they subsequently funded the cost to install the upgraded electrical system which is underway at the moment there was supply chain issues with that we have a utility room built on the first floor at this point the electrician is scheduled for the first week in other Sorry by the end of April to complete or start his his work which we which involves uh bringing the entire power system the interior power

system up to the first floor of the maritime museum is Presley in the basement and again this was all you know you know engineered through an architectural firm um and ultimately uh to provide as I mentioned um climate control for our archival storage room on the second floor and uh visitor Comfort elsewhere in the museum um what um was there a funding or a an amount that was requested by a firm the

cpea or the CPC sorry I was in excess I don't have that one in front of me because we had to update the um we had a quote when our original application was approaching seventy thousand no I don't have the current quote in front of me but it's a Nexus of that now with cost increases I might mention that the your commission that previously submitted a letter of endorsement on January 13 2021

for the same exact request okay yeah all right um um there any questions for Chris regarding the project um oh I'm uh Chris actually um when you anticipate getting the specs for or at least putting it out to bid and getting um the estimates and so forth well unfortunately as in the previous um Mr pachico's situation we missed the deadline uh we didn't we had an incomplete application uh not having this letter

that we're requesting of you so um you know we have to reapply or get funding elsewhere so I can't I can't exactly give you an answer to that at the moment okay are there any other questions for Crystal I have a quick question so um so we had given you a letter of support for the same project what happened back then with CPA with CBC I could not tell you I was it was uh we

did not qual we did not we're not the successful recipient of the funds I don't know the exact reason oh okay okay there there was no letter with the packet when the CPA received the packet for this project there was no letters attached to it and you require a letter from us so there was nothing attached at all talk about the present application the present application correct right right the letter that he

received or that they received in the past was in 2021 um they and that was two years ago and can't re um cannot reuse the the letter um after a Year's worth uh time um so that's why they're coming back before us to get another letter exactly yep um Rick do you know when the next round is out of curiosity yeah actually it was just approved last evening uh so that

there will not be any more approval of monies unless there's some emergency situation uh until next march so what happens is in June you can start getting the paperwork and then uh it'll start getting reviewed the latter part of August into September uh and and then we review it make recommendations get very very in-depth into the projects and then the clients will go back and upgrade if necessary and uh then after

the first of the year we meet almost every week almost weekly to go through the different projects and again bring in the clients with more questions if we have that and then uh about this time of the year is one we award definitely funding all right so if we were if we issue a letter um now it'll be it'll be good for when they you know it's a exactly then they

would put it they would put it in a new packet when they developed the packet in June or July and it was would come it would be satisfactory yes okay great um any other questions no I make a motion to um give a letter of support have a motion I get a second please I'll second that motion this is Joyce thank you all right I have a motion by akani and a second by choice to approve

the letter of support for the maritime museum at Battleship Cove um I'm gonna get a roll call vote for Connie yes okay um Elizabeth yeah Joyce Yes Rick yes and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes um Chris I will send that over to you ASAP so you at least have that ready to go and um if there's any other questions that you may have um uh either your Christian um who I've been emailing back and forth

uh they can yeah you can reach out to me all right thank you very much thank you very much have a good night um all right so um is that it under correspondence yes um so new business um none um old business uh item number eight we have an update on the design guidelines um so Alex uh with the preservation Society went through combed through the whole entire document to look for any edits

um there's a lot of uh language um referencing the historic district commission which is now referred to as the historical commission so and then there's also some other wording that had to get edited so I'm going through all of his edits right now I'm about halfway through um so once I am finished with that I I'll also send over the um the copy that he sent over I'll send it to everyone so

they have it um if there's any anything that he may have missed um it's pretty darn thorough so um but once we have that um I will reach out to Dominique um and see she should be able to update that pretty I hope relatively quick as a sidebar he's an English major yes he's also a very intelligent young man and fixed he found a lot of errors here with

a lot of Errors oh yeah you know he but being an English major he was changing with the dot period should go and where the comments should go he was very he's very exacting if he had been using red ink this would have been bleeding so it was there's a lot of highlights so but like I said a lot of it was just um you know changing historic district to historical commission

um and then some other grammar here and there but um so I'll send over the copy that he sent over and um if there's any other questions or concerns that I should bring up to Dominique um you know I'll send that right over to her um and so that's it on that um anything for open discussion um anything to bring up for next the next meeting and then everyone see the um article in

The Herald news on the endangered properties yes it was put up today I think uh yeah a couple of days ago yes so that was it was very well written um you know there's a lot of concerns out there with I completely forgot about you know some of the properties like um Sacred Heart and I drive by it pretty regularly um and you know there's some exception uh like the Flint Mill

um there's concern over that as well um so but we have we have work to do but um and I did um let's see I did uh hear back from we were supposed to meet with Brian LLC regarding tax credits so they are still working on that um I think it's going to be more of like an informational session that will be um discussed I think next month regarding the whole tax credit process

since we've met with them a lot before uh a number of times before um and I it could be very good um to go through that whole session with them especially because now we're looking at um there's that project with the um uh expanding the downtown National register District to include buildings on properties on South Main Street between Bedford Street and I think Williams Street um and all those once they're as part of

the district will be eligible for tax credits um so and CPC I would imagine so there's um you know pretty important that we are brushed up at least with that whole process I agree um anything else for open discussion at all no okay um so our next meeting will be on Tuesday April 18th 2023.

um make an emotion to adjourn the meeting at a 6 39 pm I'll make a motion that we adjourn I'll second the motion right I have uh motion by Rick and uh second by Connie to adjourn um we'll call vote Connie yes Elizabeth yes