The meeting provided an update on the South Watuppa Pond Water Quality Initiative, a collaborative research project involving UMass Dartmouth, the City of Fall River, Westport, and Tiverton, Rhode Island. Ram Bala, Provost of UMass Dartmouth, opened the meeting, acknowledging key supporters including Baikos Bank, Representative Paul Schmid, Senator Michael Rodrigues, and Mayor Paul Coogan. Paul Farland, Fall River's Administrator of Community Utilities, highlighted the immense size of the pond and the long-term nature of its restoration. Zach Henderson of Woodward & Curran presented findings on the watershed, which spans approximately 9,000 acres (14 square miles) and includes areas in Fall River, Westport, and Tiverton. Key external nutrient sources identified were stormwater runoff, septic systems (predominantly in Tiverton and Westport), and agricultural inputs. Professor Brian Howes from UMass Dartmouth detailed the internal pond chemistry, revealing that phosphorus is the primary nutrient driving harmful algal blooms. He explained that during July and August, the pond stratifies, leading to low dissolved oxygen levels at the bottom, which in turn causes a significant release of phosphorus from the sediments, resulting in massive algal blooms, with chlorophyll levels reaching 47 units, 24 times higher than a healthy pond. Future plans include continued water sampling for three years, detailed sediment sampling, continuous oxygen monitoring, and flow monitoring of incoming streams. Funding pursuits include state earmarks, Municipal Vulnerability Preparedness (MVP) grants, Southeast New England Programs (SNEP) grants, ARPA funds, and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Proposed mitigation projects include stormwater retrofits at the boat ramp and a wetland restoration project at Sucker Brook near the Atlantic Charter School. Residents were encouraged to adopt best management practices such as limiting fertilizer use, proper disposal of leaf litter and pet waste, maintaining septic systems, and using phosphorus-free detergents. The swimming advisory, in effect since 2017/2018, remains in place.
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good evening everyone uh it's great to be here with you for an update on this important community research collaboration and welcome to the center for innovation and entrepreneurship where technology driven companies come to build their exciting ideas my name is ram bala i'm the provost and vice chancellor for academic affairs at umass dartmouth while chancellor fuller is unable to join us tonight i know he's excited
0:27about this project and the impact the university can make when working collaboratively with our community partners i want to thank the generosity of baco's bank and representative schmidt and senator rodriguez thank you on all of whom have been great supporters of the university i also want to thank mayor coogan so i'm here thank you and the city of four river officials including civil engineering alum paul farland
0:58the administrator of community utilities who put this project together the university is honored to work with all of you i want to finally thank my colleague professor brian house they're your brian and all the students he supports and mentors they showcase the best that s mast and umass dartmouth have to offer umass dartmouth and its students faculty and staff are committed to improving our
1:23neighboring communities through research and engagement this not only benefits the community but also benefits our students they have the opportunity to apply what they learn in the classroom towards addressing real challenges facing our region but the pond is largest south port pepper that that has so many benefits to so many regions including those in massachusetts and rhode island having the science informed
1:50solutions will provide a much greater impact for all of us thank you again and i look forward to future collaborations with all of you i will hand it over to paul ferlin thank you very much good evening everybody thank you very much for coming um you know i know it's been a long time it's a little bit uh later than uh we've all expected but uh you know we wanted
2:20to make sure we were able to get all the information that we could from all the all the research that we did last year and bring it together so what i want to do what we're going to do tonight is go over all the studying that we've done so far uh this past year and then we'll talk about uh you know the different stuff that umass has done what would have current it's done and then how
2:40we're going to move forward so just a little information about southwater pond right behind us so five gallon bucket here and a shot glass so if you took this shot glass and if this was an olympic sized swimming pool and you filled up this five gallon bucket with olympic size swimming pools you'd have to fill up 24 of these 5 gallon buckets to make the same amount of water that's out there so
3:11if you have a pool in your backyard it would be 14 000 1430 gallon buckets filled up from your backyard pool to equal the amount of water that's out there that's just goes to show you how big of an area that we're actually dealing with it's not something that we're going to be able to fix overnight it's taken a long time to get where we're going to go so without
3:34further further ado i want to uh first off thank you mass dartmouth for providing us this space and also assisting us with all the studying that they've done first off i'd like to bring up representative excuse me senator rodriguez to say a couple words
3:57good afternoon everyone we'll all come up together because we're going to be very very brief because we we really want to hear on what they uh and the folks that have done this study have to say but uh we're happy that we're at this point um and i'm happy to have joined representative schmidt a little over a year ago in securing uh some earmark grant funding in the state budget in order to support the work uh
4:20that was initially seed funded by baikos bank and as many of you know and i see so many friends in the audience that i've lived my entire life on or around uh southward tupper pond and i used to give ski water skiing lessons on the pond god 50 years ago um so i've seen the uh yeah i'm old you know i can't water ski anymore but i could at the time and i and i didn't own
4:42the boat so i had to be in the water to help the kids while my buddy who owned the boat he got to drive uh drive the boat um but i've seen uh the pond change so much uh over the years and although it's you know relatively speaking it's probably better than it was 50 years ago when all the mills were dumping who know what with you know right here it is better right here
5:04kermills who knew what kerr mills used to dump uh into the pond um but we still have a ways to go in all you know in 50 years ago all the cottages around the pond would discharge their waste directly into the pond they've all for the most part have been cleaned up um and even though their title v systems though we do know that nitrogen and other uh other chemicals are you know
5:27infiltrating uh the pond so but we're we're not gonna we're not gonna stop here we're gonna continue going and i want to thank umass for hosting us today and being part of this and look forward to look forward to hearing what everyone has to say uh thanks senator and uh i uh i just want to point out that uh westport selectman steve willett is in the audience and westport town administrator jim hartnett is here and
5:55uh bob daler who's on the westport planning committee and i just see a lot of people from westport from from fall river and from tiberton that's the amazing thing about this project it's actually three communities and two states coming together that don't happen every day but it is happening in this case uh bake host bank threw in 100 000 to get us going senator and i got an earmark nobody likes earmarks except
6:29when they benefit our community we got an earmark of 50 000 for westport's contribution and uh we got our friend jay edwards over in tiverton the state rep over there uh to get tiffard in on this so that's what it's all about it's all about people working together and a great partner in all of this has been mayor coogan i guess i'm supposed to say something i will acknowledge also we have
6:55one of our city councils here linda pereira oh jesus i forgot her yeah there you are no um another great partner that's worked closely with us on all these projects um we all want a clean software topper i believe these are steps along the ladder to get there and i'm sure umass dartmouth and all their people are going to be able to assist us along with these two partners of uh mining government they never say no
7:25they always step up to help us and i know going forward this is going to be one heck of a great lake coming up down the road it is now let's get it cleaner so everybody can use it thank you for coming out tonight really appreciate it
7:44excellent thank you very much um again um senator mike rodricks representative paul smith uh representative john edwards from rhode island i'd also like to thank him uh mayor coogan who has been excellent support uh for this project as well uh the other partners as mentioned base coach bank uh we wouldn't have been able to do get all the information that we got up to this date without them so i'd really like to thank
8:08uh nick chris nicole almeida paul clutier who have all been part of that as well as umass dartmouth and then our partners in in westport um and tibetan so we do have an intermunicipal agreement between the three communities that we're all going to work together to try to clean up the pond so without further ado i'm going to uh turn it over to some of the uh some of the people that really get into the
8:35science of this we're going to start start off with zach henderson uh he's from woodward curran one of the consultants that we're using on this project and he'll go into some of the uh the watershed uh what we found out about the watershed okay i feel like we should open the blind so we can see this while we're uh thanks paul and uh thank you all for being here again nice to see some of you
8:58again after um i think that was a pretty hot day last time we met it was a pretty sweaty moment but um i appreciate the senator's remarks one thing to to remind you before i get into this is we're in the 50th anniversary of the clean water act this year and and that's been pretty meaningful legislation in this country and has made a huge difference i look out in the room
9:18and i know many of you 50 years ago probably knew what our waters looked like and you know it sometimes we need to stop for a minute and celebrate the progress that we really have made we've made a lot of progress as a country on clean water and it's made a difference for our economy and for children and for the people that use and want to be on the water and the environment as well so
9:37it's it's a good point from the senator i appreciate those comments been a lot of progress still work to do though so i can't be all positive news here probably but i'm going to start with this slide and really what we're going to do i'm going to share this the podium with brian house from umass dartmouth he's going to talk about some of the more detailed internal chemistry i'm going to
9:58talk about some of the work that we did to evaluate and understand the watershed itself and then we'll talk about some of our implementation strategies and steps towards restoration so that's kind of how we'll close it out and then uh some finishing remarks so we put this relatively simplistic slide up the first time we got together and it's it's really quite simple um but the the problems that we have in a
10:21pond related to harmful algal blooms are driven by nutrients excessive nutrients right this this uh either phosphorus or in some cases nitrogen or combination of the two and those are things you all know related to lawn fertilizer and taking care of your lawns right these are important nutrients and they come in in these ways these are the ways that these nutrients can get into this water body they can come in
10:44from watershed runoff so when it rains in the watershed things that wash off organic debris sediments other things carry those nutrients with them can come directly from the atmosphere and precipitation wildlife and agricultural inputs groundwater related to maybe septic or natural sources through groundwater and then this other one on the far right the discharges that's related to those
11:06industrial or wastewater discharges but we don't have any of those that we know of in the watershed so we put a little x on that and then the other big source of nutrients in any given water body are related to that internal recycling piece so once this stuff washes off and settles in and settles down on the bottom of the pond it can become available again and brian's going to get
11:26into details of this but it can become available every summer so once it's in the pond it's really sometimes very hard to do anything about it if you already have it there so this was an important slide i think for everybody the first time and i just wanted to reiterate it again this is the these are the mechanisms by which things nutrients get into the pond and if we're going to address
11:48those issues then we have to address these and that some of these are more meaningful than others right so that's that's an important piece as well so one of the big things that we spent um the last several months doing is really getting a better understanding of this watershed and so the watershed boundary is shown in yellow here and this is refined from the last time we met with you to include some other areas
12:11we didn't know about so for us to understand the watershed we have to look at topography and we also have to look at the storm water drainage system so the pipe network and that's built infrastructure that humans have created and so sometimes that deviates from the topography but what we know now is that we have about a close to 9 000 acre watershed which is a fairly significant sized watershed 14 square miles
12:34and it includes the areas that are shown here it also includes a portion of fall river that most folks wouldn't know would be part of this watershed in and along north watapa so there's a diversion channel that carries some storm water into this pond to protect that pond right because it's a primary drinking water supply and i'll point out a few things in the color scheme that ben johnson brought up um in a previous
13:00conversation that's really kind of important to note so this is kind of what we know about the watershed area we've looked at the streams the land cover the land use the soils the utility infrastructure in these areas and in our report that we've been working on kind of summarizes all of that in in you know far more detail but you can see the primary land uses you guys live here you know
13:22how these communities look but you know fall river is a little more built out uh westport a little less and in tiverton you know the primary land use in timberton in this watershed is forest with a little bit of agriculture the highest agriculture that we have and we'll point that out in a second so this is kind of what we understand about the watershed and we understand how water moves into and arrives in
13:44south watapa and many of you probably knew this already and say why did we hire consultants to tell us but some of this work with the with the utility infrastructure very important for us moving forward related to management so here's some of the key findings and again pretty high level but land use and impervious area and impervious areas are the built things roof tops pavement other things that won't allow water to
14:08infiltrate into the ground these are very important for understanding how nutrients get into the pond they influence the nutrient load and we can do the math on that we've done that in the report to study where we think there are higher loads per unit of area and there are definitely some things that influence that density of development influences how storm water washes off right can't
14:29go into the ground it's got to run off it runs out through drainage systems into the into the receiving waters and so some of these areas that we highlighted on the on the figure here are kind of our areas of interest if you will to attend to some of the storm water inputs and this is just a little graphic to remind everybody about how the stormwater drainage system works one thing we've discovered over many
14:51many years of doing this work is that in most communities one out of every two people have ever even thought about this right so half of the people in the room might not ever even have thought about how the storm water drainage system functions but when water falls on your rooftop driveway street or roadway it usually ends up kind of untreated washing off into the nearest receiving
15:12water and that water that comes out of the end of that pipe is not highly uh is not uh very polluted but there's a lot of volume of it right every time it rains it rains an inch a couple inches three inches thousands and hundreds of thousands of gallons can come out of one little pipeline we've got a call for umass dartmouth here i don't know if anybody needs to take that
15:37so it's a little bit about the stormwater system and the stormwater findings and again more details in the report but one thing about this particular image i wanted to point out that i don't i don't know if ben's in here but he wanted us to to note this and i thought it was a really good point is if you look at the southward tupper pond here and the northwood of a pond you
15:54notice the difference in color pretty significant difference in color and you guys know this you live here there's a reason for that and this all comes down to the watershed area northwood tapas drinking water supply has a number of protections in conservation land and there's been efforts over many years really a century to protect that drinking water supply from inputs of nutrients
16:18and because of that that pond doesn't typically have the same issues that south with tupper has so it's really about this watershed impact but again we want to balance out what we know about the watershed and what we want to address internal to the pond and brian will talk about more of that in a minute so i'll keep on kind of trucking a little bit there we go so again another input of nutrients may
16:44be related to uh to septic systems and so we did some evaluation of septic and there's about 300 parcels um hopefully that's not an alarm that we need to address in some way i'm just glad it wasn't mine i do that too um so you know there's about 300 parcels in timberton and westport that are about within about 350 feet of the pond edge and and just with kind of rough
17:15calculations those are areas that may be more influential related to nutrient load right and we're not here to pick on any individual homeowners or anything else but these are part of what we need to do in the science of evaluation of watersheds what we do know fall river sends all their wastewater their treatment facility very few septic systems of the watershed but tiverton and westport
17:33mostly septic um if not entirely septic and so those those are evaluations that need we need to evaluate that a little more closely obviously the only thing to really do about that is to help people take care of manage and upgrade their septic systems when the time is right to do that not an easy thing to manage necessarily some agricultural inputs likely in this watershed mostly probably in timberton
17:58related to the land use we haven't calculated anything we're not picking on individual farmers my wife's a a grower and i know how important agriculture is to the to the community and to all of us um but agriculture inputs can be relatively high related to other land uses if not managed closely and and managed well so we have some recommendations in the report about collaborating and continuing to support our farm
18:22operations in in the watershed and so i think i'll turn it over brian to you we'll get into some of the internal stuff i kind of covered the watershed piece but brian will cover the internal piece all right thanks zach i'm brian howes i'm with the school of marine science and technology at umass dartmouth and we were approached by the city of fall river and others to try to help use
18:47our expertise in lake management to figure out some simple things what's why are there so many phytoplankton blooms in south watopa why are they dominated by cyanobacteria the blue-green algal bacteria what causes it specifically and what management techniques do have we already ex used in our expertise to solve those problems in other systems if they should be the problems in southwater they may not be
19:17so last year we very simply started off by looking at the pond itself zach the part of these types of projects zach looked at the watershed that's an essential part of any management plan because you need to know what's coming in for the watershed but you also have to know what's going on in the pond itself now we've heard tonight that that fall rivers wastewater is sewered and goes elsewhere which is excellent for
19:41what's up a pond and excellent for other things as well but also that that uh industrial waste over time historic waste since we have bedford where i'm located uh that that has been shut down pretty much the direct discharges are being shut down or have been shut down to the pond and that's really excellent those pollutants however pretty much are not what's causing the the algal blooms today necessarily those
20:08pollutants are historic pollutants we sort of know what they are they're sort of fading in time what's happening now is looking like it's a nutrient pollutant pollutant problem that will not fade with time that will only get worse and worse and worse until you do something it's taken many many years to get to the point where at now it doesn't have to take many many years to solve it
20:33it takes a couple years to figure out exactly what you have to do so last year we started relatively simply we we looked at the pond water quality itself and the nutrient related health we looked at water clarity because you know these blooms knock down the light and phytoplankton and plants need light so that it gets cloudy that affects them we looked at dissolved oxygen which has a very detrimental effect on fish
20:58populations there's small mouth large mouth baths in here it's a big fishery area but that oxygen also affects the the nutrients within the pond so we're we're most once they're in the pond they're pretty much in the ponds some get out so our job is to figure out how active what's in the pond is and is it is it as big or bigger than what comes in from the watershed each year
21:20in which case you should deal with the sediments or the watersheds not going to get you too far or is what's in the pond relatively small to what comes in in the watershed from the watershed each year in which case that's where you should put all of your energy is what's coming in and in reality since what's in the pond is still dribbling in each year it's still coming in then you also need to address things
21:43like storm water and other phosphorus mainly sources entering into the pond as well but what's the immediate problem what is causing these big blooms so we also had to look at temperature and chlorophyll temperature by the way isn't of itself a big problem there is you know some climate change going on but it hasn't really affected the temperatures here in the pond that much that it's going to be the big problem
22:05what temperature allows us to do is a tournament if the watercolumn is mixing from top to bottom with the wind this is a 1 500 acre pond that's a big surface area for wind to blow across the top and mix the water it's only really 20 feet deep but steepest part is uh 20 uh sorry it's only really 20 feet it's deepest parts 23 there's a little hole its average is about 15 feet
22:28so it's not very deep compared to some of the ponds that we work with in the region that are you know 50 60 100 feet deep but it's deep enough that we have to worry because if the water column does not mix and you have all of those phytoplankton all that organic matter in the water column it can draw down the oxygen in the pond which normally if it's being mixed
22:49it gets oxygen out of the atmosphere back into the pond and keeps those oxygen levels high so the fish in the bottom waters can can survive if that's cut off then all the oxygen gets used up in the water calm and it loses oxygen and that's a real problem so i'm going to now give you a little bit of data this just is the three spots the three circles are sw one two and three
23:14are the three places that we that we routinely monitored every every month or so one two three uh we want to see if there was a grading in the pond you never know i mean maybe the north parts worse than the south part or vice versa she wanted to feel what was going on there but we also looked at each different depths in the pond every time we went out so that we get an idea of
23:36this mixing is occurring and if there's problems for fish and shellfish freshwater mussels so the first thing we did was we looked at you can probably walk around a lot the the first thing we did is we looked at the depth that light penetrates into the pond and this is sick 1.6 meters which is about six feet or so and what we saw was early in the season in april when we started was actually early april
24:04that you see it's it's it's relatively deep but then in all of a sudden you get into july and august and the pond water clarity goes to nothing and if you're swimming you really want to see water like this you don't want to see water like this that's half the light penetration so that means that something's going on in those two months that was our first tip off then we looked at temperature and this
24:27is really kind of a simple graph when all of the lines fall on top of each other that means they're all the same temperature they're all the same temperature that means that the water column is being mixed and then you go into the season in april and may and june they're still mixed you can add your lie and you get this separation and you get into august and you get a lot of separation which means
24:48if you can dig through all this which i'm not going to let you do i'm just going to tell you that the bottom water is colder than the top water which means that it's not mixing i will tell you that we do not totally expect this this is you know science you go out you sort of play games in the lab of what you're expecting to see you don't in a shallow pond like this we
25:07didn't necessarily expect to see this strong stratification but it happened and it probably has to do with the situation around the pond the german mythology the pond the wind direction the winds all that stuff so we couldn't guess a priori but yeah it's clearly stratified and then by by this it's august by september it comes back together because you know in the fall you get storms and wind and all
25:29that stuff and it starts mixing again and then in the winter it's it's mixed all the time so if you went out to the pond and said well how's the pond and you looked out here and here you looked over here you say it's in great shape what's everybody worried about why am i reading these articles in the paper the pond's in great shape but you have to really look to this very
25:47very narrow window of time maybe eight weeks ten weeks in that period at most where where it's bad now people that live around the pond know that july and august is a bad month i mean i know but this tells us management things not that we're going to measure monitor or manage temperature but it tells us stuff and i'm going to show you what it tells us first thing we find is
26:11this is the same kind of graph but it's oxygen so consider your fish down down living at 4 meters depth in the pond which is quite near the bottom saying about 4 or 5 meters deep and what we see is again when it's mixed you get all the options high it's still mixed it's drops a little bit but it's warming up too so that you lose a little action because just temperature
26:31changes it's really good and in june starts separate a little bit and then you get to july and there's no oxygen in the bottom at all and then in august it's still bad and one thing i have to tell you about this because this is going to be one of the things we're going to do this coming season when you're going out monthly you could have gone no oxygen at all for two weeks and
26:53you're sampling every three to four weeks could happen between your sampling so you don't know this just says and we've done this by the way in hundreds of lakes we monitor the university monitors 250 lakes in southeastern massachusetts every year okay we also monitor about about 70 estuaries every year and we do for westport and we've done some fall river as well so uh sorry it's the university of
27:17massachusetts we haven't done temporary have to get an agreement interstate agreement to do that but so the fact it happens is really bad because it's not like we're out there every day looking if you go out that seldom and you find it it means that it's really probably a much bigger duration and it's a much bigger problem than you would have thought so this coming season one of the things that the
27:43spoiler alert one of the things we're gonna do this season we have instruments we can put out which will measure every 15 months for those every 15 minutes for three months and then we're not going to miss any low oxygen we'll be able to then really determine what's really going on because this affects fisheries but also affects the total phosphorus in the pond phosphorus we've already
28:02determined through measurements last summer that phosphorus is the key nutrient causing those blooms in in estuaries in the taunton river and westport river it's nitrogen that's what you hear about nitrogen nitrogen septic tanks nitrogen groundwater nitrogen but in lakes it's phosphorous there's reasons for that i can explain later if you want bore you to death with it but that's what i do so it's phosphorus
28:27and so one of the things we want to really get a feel for is how much phosphorus in the pond because that's going to tell us a lot what we found was that when the pond was well mixed and oxygenated in april there was about forget the units there's 40 units of of total phosphorus in the pond water and then in june it's still pretty pretty mixed and oxygenated and it's still
28:48pretty mixed and then we get this really strong stratification in low oxygen and you see the phosphorus levels go up more than double in a month that could not be coming from rain it cannot be coming because you had a party in the in july 4th it's coming really the only place it could come from is off the sediments just can't come from it you can't get it in there off the bottom off the sediments so
29:19what we know because we've been studying this for decades and i'm always impressed about about the crazy things that people spend their life studying all right i mean you can always find somebody that studied something so we study this and what we've found is is that there's when you start getting rid of oxygen in a pond bottom yeah it kills the fish and you lose your cold water fisheries this will never be
29:41a cold water fishery but it's a warm water fishery but you lose your fisheries to some extent what happens is that the phosphorus has been dumping into that pond year after year after year decade after decade of decade is bound chemically bound to the sediments in the pond to the minerals it just gets bound chemically into that again i could bore you with that but basically that's what happens if you
30:03turn off the oxygen then usually within three to seven days those bonds are broken and the phosphorus is just released just chemically released off the bottom into the water column and it's very very fast and that release can continue for a month and if you look at this the only thing that we can come up with and i'm sure that they're smarter people than us but the only thing that we can
30:25come up with is that rapid release and that much mass release can only be because it's phosphorus it was bound in the sediments that's released and we've only observed this in about oh i don't know about maybe 20 other ponds in southeastern massachusetts we cut the oxygen off in ponds that it's dominated by watershed only or not only but mainly 90 watershed inputs if you shut the oxygen off you don't get that
30:47it doesn't happen so that tells us something it tells us we better really look at the sediments so what happens when this happens though i mean you know so what phosphorus went up i can't see it i can't taste it nothing well this is what happens this is the chlorophyll which is an indicator of the biomass the mass of algae phytoplankton in the water column at any one time and
31:09what you see early in the season it's quite low it's only you know less than five units and then you get into june it starts going up and then by the time you hit that big massive phosphorus release it's up almost to 50 units of chlorophyll two is what we're typically looking for as a healthy pond this hit 47 25 times higher than what we were typically or 24 times higher than what
31:33we typically are looking for to designate a healthy pond and then what happens that happened this is last august okay so it is such a rare thing i'm going to gloat on this one a bit all right forgive me i'm getting old maybe not as old as robert senator sorry but accept moulder the the reality is is that it's very seldom that you can go out and do monitoring program in the
32:00summer and find a direct link from the temperature stratification to the oxygen to the phosphorus huge bump off the bottom to the blooms that are the blooms that you don't want these are cyanobacteria so we haven't solved we haven't solved the problem okay we haven't solved the problem at all but we do know that the sediments are part of a big part of the problem that needs to be worked on
32:31but if you just solve the sediment problem you will not solve the watershed problem you'll still have stormwater and so you solve the sediment problem and what will happen is if you don't solve the watershed problem it'll slowly build up again over time but if you solve the sediment problem you'll get an instant boost of positivity and then you have to work on on the rest over time you buy yourself some time to
32:53work on these other things that that zach's talking about okay and so the typical thing is is that what we what we will do this summer is we'll be doing working on the sediments themselves because it's one thing to look at a thing in the water column you guys may i may be able to convince you if i have i've got a bridge outside i'll sell you but we need to go in and quantify what
33:18that sentiment releases it's a it's relatively straightforward thing to do it just takes work and science and answers all that stuff but that's what we do at the university it's not a problem so we look to find out how much do we really see coming off the sediments directly we will continue the water sampling because in order to really come up with with a management plan you need to have
33:36at least three years of water sampling in your pond of what's going on because from year to year things change you know that it's not huge blooms every year so we need to go from year to year to year get at least three years in before we can wrap that up and then we want to look at the oxygen levels in the bottom because if we can attack sometimes you can attack the
33:55sediments if you can just find a way to increase the the low oxygen if you make the oxygen higher in the for july and august you won't have that phosphorus bump that's one way to deal with that problem there's other ways to do it you can lock the phosphorus in there's a variety of things you can do and then then finally we will start doing some flow monitoring coming in with the
34:15phosphorus loads coming in because as i said the watershed is important too it's just that you have sort of immediate and a chronic problem you got to deal with both if you if you want to have this pond truly restored so typically what happens if the sediments are the big deal then we treat to bind the phosphorus in or as i said you also can try to treat and oxidize a little
34:38bit more that's harder to do in a 1500 acre pond hence the shot glasses and but also if it's primarily ends up it still could be a huge phosphorus input from the water in which case you'd have to do that too and then if watershed is a big deal then obviously you're going to deal with that but there shouldn't be stormwater going large volumes of stormwater going into our ponds and estuaries anyway
35:01because yeah they carry phosphorus they're really great for phosphorus but they also carry bacteria and metals and oils and grease so over time the commonwealth of massachusetts has slowly been knocking down and getting rid of its stormwater discharges anyway so it's very likely that that will continue to the benefit of the health of whatever pond and i hope to be back here next year to say well we were
35:25i'm going to say now i'm not going to say i was going to say we're right but i doubt it thank you i don't remember getting a clap from uh last time i was up late no what's that what the night is now the night show i can still get something no that's those findings are really important um so i hope people got that that um you know this first year of data is really
35:52indicating that internal cycling piece that um and the strategies for management are are pretty well understood and certainly less expensive than trying to fix the watershed right you can imagine when you have the watershed of the size we have 14 square miles fixing that is not easy because that's where we all live and that's the challenges here is that stormwater runoff septic inputs agriculture those are part of us
36:15right and it's hard for us to to get a handle on that so we've outlined some um ideas in the um in the study you know implementation strategies we want this not to be just a study for the shelf we want it to be about things that we can do um we put this together for all of you i mean these are things that we all need to do this is something that you know
36:35um is part of our responsibility in the in the in a watershed in any watershed doesn't matter where we live best management of our own property uh our own roadways the the cities and the towns have taken on ownership of um some of the pollution prevention activities and they've been ramping those up over the last several years under some of the clean water act requirements that they have
36:56so pollution prevention activities are underway there's smart ways to do that there's probably better ways to do that and the communities are committed to that some of the regulatory requirements related to land use planning and development those are those are very important as development happens and redevelopment happens we want to make sure that we can reduce that storm water input right to brian's point over time
37:19the commonwealth and the local communities have made requirements for land redevelopment stricter costs somebody money to manage that but it does reduce impacts to the receiving water so we've outlined some strategies for storm water on the non-structural side pollution prevention type activities and those are always the best and cheapest solutions if you don't have the pollution in the
37:41watershed it doesn't wash off when it rains but that's easier said than done right because pollution in this case could even just be organic debris things like leaves in the fall when they fall on pavement they become a source of nutrients and they actually are pretty significant source and so street sweeping operations uh and and cleaning up leaf litter debris is very important activity particularly
38:02in developed zones so we've outlined a number of locations paul had asked us to identify opportunities to mitigate stormwater runoff and to go find some opportunities good opportunities to mitigate stormwater runoff we've identified several of those and these would be these are not going to solve the problem in a 14 square mile watershed right but these are going to be demonstration
38:24towards the solution and so one of those locations would be a retrofit for example at the boat ramp um do some educational signage people can see that people can understand that what we're doing with our runoff at the boat ramp is going through some kind of filtration or infiltration system similar to a septic system to help reduce the the impact of that piece of pavement of those pavements on on the pond so we've
38:47identified several locations for opportunities and these were kind of equal opportunity we wanted to identify some in each of the communities and again it's not going to solve maybe all of the stormwater inputs or even maybe even a very small it's a shot glass portion of this uh we got some big areas that we probably need to solve um but there are some funding programs out there and um the teams the the city of
39:11fall river has already started to explore some significant funding opportunities to address some of these so we'll be able to get boots on the ground and start to actually make a difference for some of these and this is one of the locations that we've outlined in in the evaluation this is right over here by the atlantic charter school and there's a series of wetlands in that area that have been um maybe
39:35under-managed over the years to to say the least there's also been some flood problems and so one of the one of the concepts that we've laid out here is to to take a look at this area look at its hydrology it's right online on sucker brook this is a very important tributary environment and would there be an opportunity to kind of create some management opportunities here for stormwater and also while doing that
39:58create some park amenities some access some educational opportunities for the nearby schools so this is one of the design concepts very much a concept at this point in time but we will be exploring the opportunities to do some mitigation work and maybe some regional management here and provide some opportunities for us to to get at a bigger area for stormwater control and then on the wastewater septic side
40:23we'd still have a little bit of science to do here related to the septic nutrient input so there's some math we were just talking about it that we need to do to really understand that again we're hopeful that most of it's in the sediments already and we can address those but it's important for us to continue good septic practices good septic management programs maybe some incentives westport has a nice incentive
40:45program low interest loan program for people to fix up their septic systems so continue that kind of thing find opportunities and incentivize best management of septic and then on the agricultural front again very important to our communities and the idea here is just to advance cooperation and bring some other people to the table here related to the nrcs and related to the state conservation
41:08folks and other people that are already doing good work my guess is that a lot of the agriculture already has been implementing bmps representative schmidt and i were talking about that before most farmers have something going on already so this is the idea of to to continue to use this plan as a way to help fund what they need to do or what they want to do and then i think i'm going to turn it
41:31over to paul to talk a little bit about the uh the funding pursuits and where we're going to go find more money to help all right thank you very much both brian and zach excellent information this is information that's needed within the watershed everything that we talked about you know you heard both of them mention that uh you know we need this data to actually figure out what's what's going on so um
41:55a couple of the future funding uh opportunities that we're looking at again it was mentioned earlier again the amok that was provided by uh senator rodricks in rep smith that's going to start us off right here in the spring to be able to continue out the sampling that's needed for this year so that we won't have a gap you need that continued sampling you heard brian speak about the
42:16three years that you need within the pond to be able to get permitting and uh different types of solutions in place so that's something that would was great and it's going to get us jump start on this season to be able to keep all this moving the other things that we're looking at is something called the municipal vulnerability preparedness grant fund so fall river other communities i
42:40believe westport we are all certified uh through the municipal vulnerability preparedness program and certified as those communities so we're eligible for action grants um i've we've already i've met with uh with on a pre-rfi meeting with the uh organization uh explain the project to them uh we're looking to prepare an application that application is going to allow us this summer to get
43:06into uh a lot of the sediment sampling that brian talked about as well as some of those other hot infrastructure projects that were talked about so looking at doing a uh infrastructure project on cherry lane which is a drainage that comes in from dividend a infrastructure project in westport probably the tickle road area one of their drainage areas that come down as well as uh the boat ramp in
43:31fall river and then taking that wetland that sucker brook wetland that conceptual design and then taking and bringing that to a permitting stage so hopefully we'll be able to start the permitting process in the h the hydraulic study of that so that will be able to keep that moving forward that's going to be an extremely large project but we need to start somewhere to make sure we can get the
43:53permitting done so we're going to continue that forward the other one is the snap program southeast national southeast new england programs what this is this is a lot of grants that are put into different types of watersheds so we're planning to move this one forward this one's going to this one's going to talk you know go towards some more of the research that's needed so you heard
44:15brian talk about understanding what comes in from the different parts of the watershed what comes in the other stream so you have you have sucker brook you have stony brook that both come in from saudi pond and from stafford pond so understanding what the volume coming in on those streams are uh we're very lucky that we were able to find some older research about the discharge from southwater pond
44:39so with those different types of inputs and discharge that will give us a resilience time of how long the water stays within the pond how much is potentially flushed out or how much has time of that nutrients and phosphorus how much of time it has to be able to settle out and bind up with those uh with those sediments so that's just two of the grant programs that we're looking
45:00at there was other ones that have been mentioned 604 program the 319 but you know we're looking at all available options for different types of funding bay coast bank originally you know started us off this past year they've also committed to assist us with other funding moving forward uh there are other opportunities that we'll be looking at whether it be arpa or the b the bill the bipartisan infrastructure
45:27law which also talked about watersheds in uh ecological benefit programs that'll be coming out within the next couple of years so that right now we're in a really good place i believe to be able to reach out to some of these funding agencies uh get them excited about this project to be able to get funding moving forward so one thing that was mentioned is about you know the whole entire watershed the
45:54input from the watershed uh i would imagine each one of you most likely live within the watershed that's why you're here probably on the pond or very close to the pond it's going to take everybody on the pond to help to make the difference so it's not going to be just going out there you know binding up that phosphorus that sits in the sediment because as was said you'll just get the fuss another layer of
46:18phosphorus that will come right on top of it right on top of that binding agent and we'll be right back at the same point within 10 years so it's going to take everybody within the watershed and the sooner that we start that process the better off we are so everybody needs to play their part a couple of things that can be done is limit fertilizer use that's one thing you know everybody
46:39loves having the nice green lawns but there's different types of natural fertilizers that can be used again there's a cost to everything everybody wants to clean a pond a natural fertilizer may be a tad bit more than a you know a chemical fertilizer but to be able to help the watershed uh it's you know it's worth it um excessive lawn watering uh so it's you know you put that fertilizer on you cut
47:09your grass you water your lawn every single day that runoff will eventually come down into the pond and it affects some of the groundwater subsurface groundwater doesn't allow it to sit in the ground long enough to be able to get that phosphorus out sediment control during construction projects so to make sure that runoff you know if you if you're doing something make sure you follow local conservation guidelines um
47:33phosphorus free detergents so anybody with a septic system this kind of goes towards those people so there's two different types of the laundry deter whether it be laundry detergents just soap or anything like that larger detergents are largely based off of phosphorus for some of the cleaning agents to get a phosphorus free laundry detergent is something that that should be done um leaf litter as zach mentioned leaf
48:00litter as zach mentioned earlier in grass clippings um leaf litter that goes leafs that go into the street they get ground up into little bits they go into the storm water down into the catch basin run right off into the pond so that's a natural pretty much phosphorus little pill that's running right down into the pond to be able to bind up in the sediment so proper disposal of all
48:24the leaf litter around your yard grass clippings love to mulch them to let it go back in but that's actually a negative um for the pot that will actually eventually run off and when that organic breaks down if your grass doesn't use up all the all the nutrients that are provided from that breaking down the rest of it will run off right into the pond so picking up your glass grass clippings picking up your leaves
48:49disposing of them uh you know through the town while the cities are the best way to go pick up after your pets uh you know every little bit helps you know we've all mentioned the shot glass that we talked about in the very beginning you know think of 1400 5 gallon buckets here every little shot glass that we can take out of those buckets of an input going into that pond
49:14will help you know you may think that it doesn't but even just walking your dog picking up its uh picking up its waste is is a good help we have some bag dispensers over there feel free to help yourself um septic system maintenance uh that's uh something that everybody should should do you know constant pumping make sure that you're uh that you don't have any outbreak or leeching of the
49:43septic system coming up to the ground make sure that you're uh that your leaching field is working properly um the washing your car another one phosphorus free soap or even just use a commercial uh you know go to go to one of the commercial places to wash your car that's one thing that would help everybody washes in their driveway it runs down with that phosphorus based soap again one more shot glass out of that
50:12bucket so again just a couple of closure remarks um we talked today about some structural bmps best management practices that are going to need to be done in the watershed and then we talked about some non-structural that can be done by everybody here as well as uh anybody else within the watershed we talked about the difference between the sediment what gets built up in the sediment how it releases and then what
50:42comes in from the from the watershed and how it comes down we've talked about how uh our excellent partners being westport and tibetan we're all working together now to come to a solution you know we're all part of the problem we all need to work together um so that's a couple of things that uh that have that have brought us to where we are today you know i know everybody uh is wondering well
51:11when's the pond gonna be fixed when's it gonna be all better you know this is something again has taken us it's been a while that we've been working to this you know the way the pond is now it's going to take us a little bit to be able to get there we need the information of at least a couple years to be able to do some type of treatment luckily we have the support of
51:36of the state legislator uh in the communities to keep this moving forward as well as the private private partnerships that we have had um so again i think between those partnerships the partnerships of funding agencies that'll be able to help us move this forward we're at a really good point right now to keep this thing going and again it's going to take everybody to take their little shot
52:03glass out of those 1400 buckets to be able to keep the pawn moving in the right direction so that kind of concludes the overall presentation um you know the report was mentioned we are just finalizing that report that'll be made available uh we're working to uh to set up a uh website right now um from one of our previous uh projects we have what's called the watapa reserve dot org it's a website that was set up
52:35for uh the bio reserve and uh the um other side of the northwood tupper we're using that right now to put information on about this project and we'll continue to uh post stuff there so uh at this point again i would like to thank all of our partners uh the state delegation uh the private partners and everybody else and again all the partners you all that are here uh supporting this project so
53:06open it up to any questions thank you
53:20presentation up there within the next couple of days uh everybody i don't know if you're on the email list for this project or not we do have a large group email uh that we send information out just make sure that you sign up out on the table out front make sure we print legibly so we can get your email address and stuff like that but we do send up
53:40send out updates uh and i'll send a link to that page as well thank you okay i have a question everything that you showed as some suggestions and things that everyone could do individually to try to clean up is there going to be a mailing that would go around to all the homes around the pond because i'm sure that many people that are here live near the pond but how about the
54:06people that aren't here and what is the oversight going to be to making sure that people understand if they weren't here why we're requesting that certain things you know like fertilizer be a different grade etc how do we get that message out to people that's number one if we could do a mailing or something like that yep and um the other question what exactly did they do at staffordcon that they put a
54:32solution in that brought everything down is that something that can be done while you're doing testing so that we don't have those blooms in july and august as you're doing the testing or is that not those are my questions thank you so thank you very much so yeah definitely that's one thing that we've been talking about is putting together a pamphlet getting that out to uh to everybody within the communities uh so
54:55that everybody has the information uh and we'll work to to get something together to get to get that information out um brian i don't know if you want to talk a little bit about stafford pond and what was done uh in their uh yeah there was a inactivation in stafford pond but it is even though it's a big pond it's a significantly smaller pond and and once you get up above that on
55:18the costs start to skyrocket so what you try to do is you try to target the areas that need to be to be done and that's we hope to do figure out this year so that then you can you know you're not wasting money i mean we could go in we could treat the whole pond it's going to cost you gazillions of dollars or we can target those areas that need to be
55:39treated they'll get 80 of the way there for 40 of the month and so that's what we're doing now so if we said okay we can add it sure where and how much i think it was two hundred thousand that they made that's the money i thought that's where in the pond and the couple would be added i don't know and how much well that's what we're trying to figure out
56:10then we have an oxygen body in july and augustine in any case all this is really once you have the facts anybody should be able to figure it out this is not you know you know hide behind science this is common sense i'm trying to present you with the information your question is perfect your answer is also perfect and that's we're trying to figure it out yeah thank you when i was
56:35a kid i remember all the local boats and part of the top of yacht club in those days we would drag bags burlap bags full of copper sulfate back and forth you know on a certain sunday in the summer and that kind of got rid of a problem for a while is super toxic it's all invertebrates and to plants it's still used for algae control in some places yeah not in massachusetts because it's actually there's algae
57:06there in the end it'll turn them on black but then they settle out and there's a pond in rhode island we studied uh years ago that treated still without the cells so that was yeah and and well the problem with it is you're not addressing that source so if we can bind the phosphorus on the bottom and targeted that's going to help address the source as opposed to just treating the chlorophyll and the algae
57:31fluid so you can treat every year but it's going to come back i think you know it's going to go bad and in fact they had a treat every year yeah two questions so what we have now is that different from the algae we had 50 years ago we used to water if scandals saw it 50 years ago the question is you can see visually you don't know what
57:59the species is but you can tell if it's a different type of algae it looks like the squirrels looks like somebody poured green paint in the water yeah that's cyanobacteria it just is sort of green and it's not so it's up to you i wasn't i would trust me i was around 50 years ago the reason i asked you is what we have out there toxic they they did testing in the cupboard in
58:262018 they found tremendous numbers double the allowable limit for swimming they did not find uh toxins however the big problem with cyanobacteria is the same species one year can have tons of them no toxins a couple years later the same species tons of toxins so it's something that you test for but what the lag times are such that now they go on the counts of the cells just to be cautious
58:58so more than 70 000 cells per ml of cyanobacteria that close so we'll have the same warnings this summer if you haven't had them every year for the last five years then probably if you've had a couple years in there that you didn't have a warranty are there warnings based on testing like actually testing the water or are the warnings based on visually seeing the green swirls and is it a possibility
59:30that while we can't address what's going on in the pond until we have the correct data is it a possibility to test the level to let people know that safe to go in the pond or not so the sorting advisory has not been lifted since it's been put in effect uh 2018 2017 was when it originally went in effect it has not been listed it's always it's always been posted at the uh
1:00:01public place of access which is the boat ramp uh dave's boat ramp it's been posted straight through um so that advisory has not been lifted um that's posted by the board of health uh within the city of fall river as well as it was also sent to the surrounding community board of health health as well um so the board of health has not uh felt that they've gotten enough data to show that that can be lifted
1:00:32so again that will stay in place currently until there is a change within the watershed within the pond for the testing of that uh you know and it's tough we all need to live within within our means um to take the money that we have you know it's tough enough we're lucky enough that the senator and the rep have been able to provide us with this earmark it's one of
1:01:01two things we can either take and we can spend that to see whether we have toxins in in the pond all summer long which just tells us that summer whether we have toxins or not or we can take that money and spend it to be able to better the whole entire watershed and come up with a solution to fix the issue you know i think that's the bigger thing that we need to keep uh
1:01:24keep looking at here is you know these toxins and this algae has been around for uh you just heard it you know 50 years ago um it was here and has been here uh to make the watershed better and fix our problem we need to be able to get the information to be able to move forward with the fix so uh just just what just thought that there was testing available through the
1:01:52state is there not like a different testing program that could be utilized yeah so the state department of health does do testing but they only do it uh if there is a issue uh with upon a known issue with the pawn upon certain requests they don't do it statewide because all the problems with a lot of problems within the state have an issue like this um this very of it depends
1:02:21they don't the the state department of health does not provide testing to all the ponds um they did provide testing when the initial uh when the initial posting was put in place the recommendation for the posting came from the state department of health that's why the board of health posted that um and they have done some testing since then but it's not continuous modern monitoring of the pond and i think one
1:02:46thing that that was mentioned earlier in the study you know you can go out there they could take a sample today uh and then tomorrow you know the cyanobacteria could release its could release its toxins and that's you know maybe they're not taking example for another week or two so you know it's it's it's a lot about the timing there as well and to be able to get it where we're doing samples every day ever you
1:03:14know or a couple of times a week you know all that starts uh adding up in cost so just one thing that i did that i do want to mention one more question paul i got one quick one what was that um where the geese figurine call is because of all the runoff every one of us that sit around that pond um when these come up on our lawns which great animals
1:03:38people talking about waste i mean they don't just put a few droppings
1:03:49yeah we made a recommendation and we didn't do bird counts this year but there are programs that do bird counts and it may be something the community can engage in one of the recommendations is related to trying to get a handle on that and try to get a better understanding of the numbers of birds and then we can do math on it and be surprised but so they can do math on that and figure out the
1:04:09loading given the size of the watershed i mean they make a mess locally but i would think that they're probably not a massive source of nutrients for this particular but but they're they're untidy and there are management things that can be done for them they love lawn another question in the back i have a few questions uh first looking at uh the nutrient inflows has there been any considerations or analysis done on
1:04:38the amount of agriculture specifically my understanding is that every cow is 14 gallons per day per cow of effluent have we started considering how we can help our farming community by moving in something like a living machine or any of the any of these other best management practices that are being used successfully all over the world can we start focusing on actually solving the problems
1:05:05and addressing that rather than studying them at nauseam and it seems pretty basic yeah the recommendation is in the report is to cooperate with the with the agencies that are probably working right now on those farms in the watershed so to do the bmp work they don't want to study it we don't want to spend time and money studying it's about it's about finding the funding to help with
1:05:30implementation and the state has some pretty good programs that are helping farmers out on this so that's covered thank you also a quick question at have we also considered looking at other mitigation techniques we've had great success using floating treatment wetlands and deval pond uh you only have to get the phosphorus down the phosphorus level down a little bit and then cyanobacteria
1:05:57can't grow and so to the extent you can soak up some of the nutrients that are dissolved in the water column you can bring that overall content down and that helps both with the sedimentation and with any extra influence so while you're studying you know is it more the inflows or more of the segmentation have you started looking at how do we actually soak some of the nutrients up because we've had
1:06:22very successful results and it seems like doing something positive to reduce the overall concentration of the nutrients that are already in there could be a positive step forward yeah no without a doubt that's where some of the hot infrastructure um strategies have come into play you know um because again you have a short-term fix um either binding or using up the nutrients that
1:06:48are within the water column but then you have the longer plane that that we're going to have to look at which is stopping the future nutrients from coming in so right now some of that hot infrastructure is definitely uh the bmps that will help filter out some of those incoming nutrients is something that we're looking at again we need to i think we need to spend a little bit more
1:07:10time uh talking about we said you know figuring out what type of release is coming up from these sediments you know you saw in that slide when you lost the dissolved oxygen within the base um you know it was it's just like a large release of the phosphorus from those sediments um so the you know the algae has a huge food source has the sun beating down on it right in
1:07:34that time of the year so it's like putting a whole bag of miracle grow on your tomatoes you know right then they just they just shoot right up so again you know i i definitely know that using up the nutrients in the phosphorus with it within that i think there are multiple different type of solutions out there and we we're looking we're going to be looking at every single option available without another
1:07:58question paul uh this is first of all pointed out at the professor uh you've got some numbers up there 87 micrograms per liter could you explain what that action what that represents 87 micrograms per liter yeah so we understand what that vibe is yeah it's just an accounting method but again your programs please
1:08:49the reality is is that that's why i put up the two milligrams per liter and i also didn't talk about milligrams per liter because people go well that's not milligrams glutes micro arcade might progress it is but the point is i put up two in 87 and the point was that from all of these i also mentioned that we survey 200 250 lakes every summer we've done that for over 20 years we know
1:09:12the lakes that are down at two are in really pretty good shape by anybody in this room would look at that positive yeah that's in good shape and ponzi at 87 look like that photo of the greens stuff on the surface so what we do is we take numbers the units don't matter the numbers really don't matter it's just that that we need to tell you what good is
1:09:36and what not so good is and what bad is and that's what we try to do but we have to a scientist we have to put a number on it because we have to quantify we can't just say well you know it's green because your idea green and my degree might be too different but it's probably not is so we have to come up with numbers and the numbers that we have are used
1:09:55region-wide now for a lot of stuff if if for phosphorous if there's number 10 of these units the pond is impaired so for 20 it's really getting bad when you're up at 80 it's in very bad shape we do the same thing for estuaries you do the same thing for drinking water with different compounds and drinking water so we'll let's down at this number it's good we can drink it's right so
1:10:20is that good enough for now or that's fine my other point is as a as a resident right on the water i don't use fertilizer i pump water out of my out of the pot as you're saying it's great it's full of nutrients my garden and my grass is very green and during the summer months that july or late august when i do get in my beach i see the green forming i turn that hose on
1:10:49and i run it into the water i'm aerating the water i'm putting oxygen back in the water that clears out my beach and i feel comfortable going in the water at that time now we've mentioned about uh d.o changes in the little summer when we we don't have a lot of wind don't have a lot of activity in the car there are systems where they have solar pumps sprinklers i mean we see them in golf courses
1:11:17for those small ponds granted it's a small pond but that is a solution to put more oxygen back into the aquifer to help them stop that algae we have you know as they mentioned earlier we've done many many pond restorations and so we have a sweet laundromatous menu of in pond solutions versus watershed solutions versus innovative solutions universities developing to intercept things along the way
1:11:44and we've implemented those in various places so you can count that when we're going through the internal cycling thing that we'll go through it's not just aeration it's 20 different types of variation and what the rules would be for each one and also for the mind you can say alan it's with alum and it's possible it's calcium all these things you can add and they all have it they have
1:12:08proper sites that they work and sites that they don't so we go through that whole suite but we're not there and we have the tools they're all listed out there in the box there they are but we don't know which what the nut looks like um all i see it's quarter of seven people have been pretty good you're available after the meeting jack's available brian's available if anybody has any further questions
1:12:32when can we expect the next update a good question so we're gonna we're gonna be moving forward with uh you know with our stuff this year we'll probably be looking to get something out late summer get everybody together kind of talk to you about the different stuff that we did this year and uh how we're gonna what we're gonna be looking at this winter and uh how we'll be moving forward from there
1:12:53maybe september uh after kids back in school when summer's over something yeah one last question you kept mentioning yes so i've lived on this planet for 50 years where exactly is that on the northwest side of this lake so zuckerberg comes in right down next to jefferson street right next to the davis beach boat ramp that sucker broke so that's from staff defeat from stafford foundation
1:13:20right at the end of jefferson there was a big pond there years ago that's completely dried up now that was where suckerbook jumped into correct um
1:13:39where does the water come from to fill that pond so bleachery pond is up behind behind the old mills it's part of that whole entire wetland area that we talked about uh to do that wetland restoration uh so that whole entire area again has built up over the years with sediment and other things that don't help the water quality that comes down through there so that wetland restoration that was talked
1:14:02about earlier is uh that's one of the areas that that we'd like to do that will in restoration so that all comes from staffordshire propane
1:14:24river that flows out right so sucker brook comes in it comes in uh from stafford pond crosses eagleville road uh behind the uh behind the new casino uh and then comes in from that area so again we'll be available uh afterwards if you have any uh specific questions or anything like that we're gonna try to keep going with some updates uh again we're gonna get the website going and we're gonna try to
1:14:53work to keep uh keep information coming out you know just know that you know you may not see them out there sampling but these guys are out there sampling these guys are working to uh to keep this moving and get the information that's needed and i'm pushing them all to keep it moving so thank you very much