The Community Preservation Committee of Fall River, Massachusetts, held a deliberation meeting on March 24, 2022, to discuss 17 projects submitted for funding. The committee approved the minutes from their February 24, 2022 meeting by a unanimous roll call vote. Members reviewed project proposals, keeping in mind a total of $1,953,403 available after allocating $198,596 to housing. Key discussions included the Quicker Shan River Rail Trail Westport Extension, the Tupac the Tougher Part project, and the restoration of the City Hall bells, which was noted to be significantly more expensive than the requested $69,000, potentially costing around $350,000. Significant debate occurred regarding the Central Fire Station Exterior Restoration, a $644,474 request. Committee members discussed options for bonding the project, requiring a matching grant from the city, and the importance of preserving the historic building. The Historic Saint Anne's Church Exterior Restoration, requesting $150,000, also generated extensive discussion, particularly concerning the precedent of using CPA funds for religious structures and the critical importance of securing a preservation deed restriction. Other projects reviewed included the Father Kelly Park Poles, the Fall River Fire Museum, the Dr. Fisk House, and the Greater Fall River Arts Association. The committee decided that score sheets for project funding would be due by Monday afternoon, with a focus on fully funding selected projects to ensure completion and public visibility. The meeting concluded with a unanimous vote to adjourn.
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cable channel 18 and fall river are the following websites fall river government television uh facebook you can live stream at uh dot com in case meeting conflict you can view on channel nine uh today's uh thursday march 24th 2022 6 pm uh pursuant to the open meeting laws any person they make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium
0:32attendants are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present are deemed knowledge and permissible um we'll do roll call i will call out the name and then you can just uh say here uh alex silvia here carolyn auburn here richard cardone calderon here alderaan okay uh paul machado here uh chris oliveira here and we're missing uh john ferreira
1:12and vic i mean john uh john ferrer and victor ferris and jason burns will be joining us shortly um let's see uh do we have any citizen input tonight uh sandy no okay no citizen input uh can i have a motion for approval of the uh minutes the meeting uh february 24th 2022.
1:44yeah i'll make a motion for today's meeting march 24th second a second then okay roll call vote uh alex yes carolyn yes uh richard yes paul yes uh chris yes and john brent yes okay now uh the next portion of the meeting is uh is for deliberation on the projects uh presented to us uh before we get started on that everyone got their score sheet the 17 projects listed so tonight when we're going over deliberation
2:37kind of keep in mind how you want to do your scoring you have to have uh six number ones six number twos and five number threes and then we have to make sure we spend uh 10 allocated in open space historic recreation and housing with housing um not on this year uh we'll be putting into housing uh 198 596.
3:05uh you got your funding um uh budget uh earlier today which taking that out would leave us with uh 1.9 one million nine hundred and fifty three thousand four hundred three dollars um um let's see the only thing that uh existing funds and stuff are administration i would uh like a motion to uh just put an extra 10 000 in there for next year due to the fact we want to make want to
3:37do some promoting more filming uh we were looking at uh putting permanent signs on some of the buildings that we uh fully funded already so um just in case we need our 10th anniversary so uh if i could have a motion for an additional 10 000 to administration john why don't you do that next week when you do your scoring this way when you are allocating your funds you can just allocate that amount to administration
4:07okay all right okay let's see um all right yeah john just uh fyi huh you know i said that was a great idea okay thanks uh well first on the um like i said we've gone through these uh twice uh first approving them and then uh this uh this year we've uh went over them and we still have time to make some calls if you want to talk to the individuals uh by yourself but first on
4:39the list is the uh quicker shan river rail trail westport extension they're looking for 297 000 to finish off the trail that will connect with westport uh do we have any questions any discussion can it just be noted that jason burns joined us yes how's it going good sorry guys okay no questions on this one it's pretty self-explanatory we'll move on to the next one which is with tupac the tougher part for 150 000
5:31is there any questions any thing we want to go over on this one
5:47so just um so this is do we know if any progress was made yet on turning it over from the state to the city because i never it was in the process but i know that uh they said they were going to be doing that i'm not sure i haven't heard anything on that yet uh we can make a call we'll see if the state all right any other questions on that one all righty
6:29next one is the sorry just this little slow on unmute there um maybe when you we also inquire if there's been any uh developments on what city body will mean we'll have ownership of it i think it was floated that it would be the parks department but just if they know it would be good for us to know okay
6:56all right what i can do is give a call and then i'll send an email to sandy and she can send that out to everybody the next one is the restoration of uh the city hall bells this one is a kind of uh blown out of the water because uh the 69 000 wouldn't cover uh talking with caitlyn young from uh the planning department it looks more like the project's going to be around 350.
7:29so even if we did the 69 the bells would just be put in storage at dpw so just keep that in mind on that project is there any questions on that one yes alex i did also have a few concerns um in the application uh with the contractor it said that the city would have to decide on a time to do the project and if for any reason any reason the timeline was
7:58extended that the city would incur any costs overrun costs for a lot of things so that was one of my big concerns with this one as well since they had floated the idea for you know arpa funding or they didn't know how their city was going to pay for some of the aspects of it so i was kind of cautious about the delays yeah she also said the tower would probably be somewhere around 225 250 so
8:22that's so it's way above the 69 000. uh of course you had a question yeah so just i i think in order to really be able to vote on that we we do need a definitive uh amount for what it is that we're going to be voting on because i know we had all these you know okay this is going to be this much that much i i think we need
8:44to know what the actual amount is before we can make that decision yeah i think she's still i like it's just snowballing uh getting figures and then picking the bell up and everything that's the estimates and requests i guess aren't coming in as quick as she would like so um but if they'd i'll give her a call and ask her on the bells if she has any final total i actually had another follow-up
9:12question um if uh if where are we possible to go forward with this to just like you said take the bells off and restore them and put them in storage or is a lot of the extra costs that they were sending over also related to remove just removing the bells or is it in total i was a little confused on that that the total is mainly the uh building the uh
9:36the stand to hold the bells is going to be the the big factor in the cost uh when i was talking to her i said i suggested that they uh preserve the bells and maybe put them in the atrium of city hall till they decide what to do so that's an option they had too but i'm not quite sure what she decided to do so in inherent i mean it's a little concerning so
10:06in the municipal world um if it's not budgeted for for this fiscal year how will they obtain any additional funds to cover the difference if we were to approve the 69 000 that that would be my question um you know the city just doesn't sit on money um everything's appropriated in a new fiscal year which the fiscal year will end in uh june 30th of this year will they appropriate the funds for for next fiscal year
10:35that i'm not sure if i can ask that's one of the questions i would be asking because yeah again to everyone's point i mean it's just you how can we really find something we don't know if soldiers think they haven't gotten any figures how would you know exactly what the project will be and what what's really with the 69 000 was it even worthwhile to even entertain it right that's what that's what i'm
10:57thinking because if we give the 69 000 we end up somewhere in storage who knows what's going to happen to them you know i mean they're going to fall in a black hole yeah so that's i mean 10 years from now we'll find these bells somewhere but you know i just think there's a lot of a lot going on with that project so but i'll make a call to caitlin and find out what's going on
11:22uh the next one is the interlock and cultural resource stabilization project you're looking for 30 39 560.
11:37um any questions on this i think this is mainly just a study does anyone have any questions any input no okay we'll move on next one is the barnabas blossom workshop restoration they're looking for 147 640 um this is the reason yes they'll they're actually looking for 137 570 but the amount you quoted is their total project cost oh okay all right yeah okay yeah 137.
12:30uh any questions any input on this one this was before us last year which was a pretty good project it almost made it so uh it's a good one to take a look at i think this is actually isn't this the third time it could be yeah i think there was another time that it came too as well and i agree it's a good project yeah alrighty we'll move on to the next one is the uh
13:08northwater pond seawall condition assessment and restoration plan um again this one is a study which i'm not too myself fond on studies but does anyone have any questions on this one yes alex i know we've had uh some reluctance in the past with studies but i i would just note that this study in particular could serve the community in a more manifest way such as like the improvement of the protection
13:50of the water quality so it might might bear a little more thought in that regard just that being a study okay anyone else moving on
14:13the next one is the copper cut reservoir water supply acquisition this is for funding to buy 18 acres which we have done in the past before this is a good location for our water supply does anyone have any questions any input yes alex i would just say for the public that we like that did apply for the matching grant so we will be waiting on that it was a 50 matching grant and we
14:52heard from the city that that was uh successfully applied for so it might not be the full total in the end yeah that is one good thing that uh the water department they do uh seek other funding so that would be nice all right any other input all right uh next one is the father kelly uh park polls folks did a nice job in putting their presentation together this is for new lighting light poles for the
15:31father kelly park any questions any input
15:45yes chris just um my own thought one of the things that i really take into consideration a lot when deciding what should be funded is how many people actually benefit from it how many people in the city it's actually going to reach or benefit and i think a project like this is one of those projects that really has a huge reach because so many people use the parks um you know throughout years and years so um
16:17you know just just something i wanted to say that's that's probably my biggest consideration when i when i decide what i'm going to vote for as far as funding they do maintain the ballpark pretty good too so it's a good organization and it kind of goes with our theme of doing uh maplewood park last year i mean our ballparks are gonna they're gonna look good i mean people want to play ball here in fall river so
16:42um anything else piggyback off of what chris has said it is very important i mean i drove by by that park for years um and come spring summer it's always packed um i think the community will be very appreciative because you know you have folks not just from from our city but other you know cities and towns that come here to also use the park as well so yeah okay uh next up then is uh
17:16oh alex go ahead um just i didn't have one thing to say since this is the second uh park of like ballpark with lights uh applicant in two years in a row um i would just maybe encourage the city like the park board or the park department to perhaps be a little bit more proactive and applying for these grants themselves rather than relying on the leaks themselves to do it um it's all volunteer work for them
17:41and if the park in the city the park board or the park department itself starts taking a little bit more initiative or helping with the guiding hand it could even kind of dictate the development of our parks that we think is best for the city's future a little bit too i agree on that yeah thank you uh next is the uh oh central fire station exterior and restoration this one i think is a really nice
18:13project they put together in front of us it's our main fire station it's on a busy street um it is six hundred thousand dollars uh 644 but i think when if this was finished it's going to really stand out um do we have any questions any input on this plus the city is also putting money in the inside of the new fire station so they are putting money into it too so chris
18:47so i think this is another one of those projects that it's hard to even gauge how many people it affects but it affects so many people in the city not only just because you're looking at it as you drive by it's an iconic building it's a historic building but it's a fire station and these are the people that are working in our community to save our community to save lives they put their
19:09lives on the line and i think not only do they deserve a safe building to work in but a good looking building i agree it gives them a sense of privacy one of those things i think people think oh it's a fire station but it really affects everybody in the city i agree any other questions input uh paul yes when when i first saw this application i was thinking that um maybe it would be helpful
19:40if we if we were to grant some funds toward this project that we require a matching grant from the city to encourage the city because they have a responsibility to preserve some of their historic buildings now it may not be a 50-50 match but i think i would like to encourage the city to preserve the historic buildings we remember that the cpa had to ail out the library to restore the roof
20:15because the city didn't pay any attention to it so i would like to see the city i i think it would be appropriate for us to encourage the city to pay some attention to preserving historic structures yeah i agree that's a good point else it's a good point but it's difficult to do because the historical commission fights this fight every day and we've seen city buildings just you know
20:44crumbling and and nothing gets done and what we hear is well we don't have the money to do it or it's just been gone so long and so long and so long that now it's it's too late i mean we saw it happen with the bank street armory um it just it happens all the time it's it's one of those things that no matter how much we can ask that it happened you really need to
21:06have the entire administration as well as city council on board for something like that but kristin the difference there is that we would actually be assuming we vote for it we would actually be funding a certain amount of money um so the city would have to be willing to turn down the amount awarded to avoid having to pay the matching grant and i'm not suggesting it be 50 percent
21:36yeah i'm not sure the total amount that they're investing in the inside of the building so it's uh it's a good point all right anything else alex uh yeah so just this being the largest request that we have i did want to kind of ask and float the idea of bonding uh or just for projects in general and if any special considerations or deliberations need to be had in terms of
22:03if we wanted to bond a project i don't know what the rest of the committee's feelings or appetite is for that but this is it's 644 thousand 474 it's the largest grain item so um if any one would be one of the larger ones i think you would bond for that's a good question we did talk to uh city hall about this in the uh we we thought about maybe taking the uh
22:30central fire station and the museum and bonding them both together and they would be split out they'd be paid separate um so if we did that we'd be borrowing roughly about a million bucks so with interest about a 1.1 then we could decide on whatever the terms five years or whatever we do on um bonding out but that's a good uh we do have that available to us to do yes paul i just want considering the
23:02size of the amount requested um for example if the committee were to uh grant five hundred thousand dollars uh on condition of the city coming up with a matching grant of 150 000 that would i think suggest that the city would have a difficult time to turn down five hundred thousand dollars might encourage them to uh you know i'm not talking about a 50-50 match but large enough amount so that it's hard to turn down
23:37all right yeah that's a possibility i mean we could say we'll give five and the rest that city has to come up with i mean yeah another another thought in in that line um i don't know how how possible this would be but uh paul thinking about a matching grant if we were to vote for this and grant the full amount perhaps a matching grant could be given towards extra payments on the bond to shorten
24:04the life of it too which has you know other benefits to the city and the committee as well and it results in us still funding the whole project without you know them scrambling for funding to to fit it in the timeline uh richard yes so i mean although it's a great idea i think if we were to partially fund it again i go back to you know what money has been allocated for any
24:33any projects you know i mean i don't think the city has any extra funds or we'll just say hey you match you know this percent will match the other i i think we're doing a disservice by doing that um it's just just just my thought um again i mean it i know in municipals you know towns and in cities you know you have capital improvement programs so so what is that
24:57so basically the focus is is just kind of you know investing back in all the municipal buildings that they own um and it takes years to do that right so in order for the city to get money obviously they go out for bonds and it takes years just to get a few bonds approved just for a few projects um so it's just if the committee will take that into consideration because let's say if we do
25:19fund the portion how long would it take for for this um for the city to come up with the difference yeah good point considering you know we just just have a new high school you know and it might be vocational as well so just keep that back in your mind if we were to come up with we were to come up with a matching grant for example we could put a time limit on it so
25:44within two years oh okay okay take them enough time all right and then they they choose whether they accept the initial reward or not right makes sense chris i hear um i hear what paul's saying and i i do think in theory it's a good idea i just don't know if this is the building to make that stand on because it's the fire station it's a vital building i think it's a really good idea for
26:24other municipal projects i think that's something we really should seriously consider but i just don't know that this is the right project to do it for i think for me this is a really important project it's it's a very historic building it's an important building it's it's say it it's the safety of people in the city it's the safety of our our firefighters so um i think on this one
26:53i i think alex's idea of bonding is a great idea um but like i said i i like paul's idea i just don't know that i want to do it for this particular project i think there's lots of other things that the city applies for that we can say if you're willing to you know um make this this uh this much of a grant or something than we could just
27:16i feel like this isn't the one to do it on yeah like i agree it is a they are putting money into it that's in the inside jay i don't put you on the spot but do you know any kind of budget that they have for doing inside have you heard anything so um i appreciate the uh question um we we have recently put on a roof i'll tell you the building was um largely ignored for
27:41quite a while and probably about uh i guess three or four years ago they started with the planning of the capital plan and the center has been a focus of it they have worked on the the roof um i believe there's some plans for um in place for the inside i don't know the number i can easily get that and email it to you guys um but i will tell you
28:02from my perspective when i've been on the job for 16 years they talked a lot about putting money into the fire stations and it never happened and then it has started to come in recently i'm saying over the last two two or three years not only plans but funding for execution thanks so much yeah if you can understand um i have one question is it appropriate i'm sorry um as far as i think mr machado suggested
28:30that maybe they come up with a payment and i'm new to this so bear with me like they met within two years uh whatever product uh project that is wouldn't that impact their ability to get a project done or does that mean that this commission would put the money up front to complete it and they kind of send it back to us i mean if if they're trying to get the work done in
28:57the x amount of time and we're telling them get a payment in within two years does that screw up the timeline do you get what i'm asking i'm not sure if i'm articulating it correctly no i guess if they did agree to the matching grant we probably fund the full mouth and then they would reimburse us it would be a reimbursement okay all right that's how that would work if we did it that way
29:20any other thank you chris so would that be wouldn't that be neat um wouldn't that need to be written up legally like we have to have more of you know lawyer involvement in writing up something like that because it's different than any of the other um the other documents that we've done in the past so yeah i don't know how we worked that out um john john i would i would check with stuart
29:51too on reimbursing if you if you fund the full amount i would ask stuart about someone else's reim that's because that's like gifting the cpa more money so i would i would just just crush your teeth dot your eyes and i would check to see if that's ever been done before and one more point i just want to make to what alex said about bonding um great idea um why don't you check john with the
30:21treasurer on the extra payments on the bond if once it's bonded because i believe he said that if the cpc bonds when they go out to bond that time of year they'll clump all the bonds together including us for the best rate so ask him if if we can make extra payments on that bond uh and then hopefully we'll have an answer alex um at the actually the voting meeting okay okay all righty
30:52anything else on yes alex i did have one other point to make so this project is only for the front facade of the building and they have expressed intention for you know the other side i think detroit street side um so you know if we were wanting to pursue a matching grant route it might it might be more uh beneficial to do it in a future application where we could actually
31:16discuss it with them in the preliminary phases as well um and not have any hang ups and stuff too so that's not saying that they are applying for i have no idea if they would eventually a good point yeah okay um alrighty we'll move on to the next one then is uh 3656 water street uh for window replacement and uh masonry work uh they're looking for 137 000 um any questions on this one um
31:54anybody have any yes i would just say that i know it's a private project and we generally try to keep it more in the public or non-profit realm but i was just impressed with their application and the feedback that we gave them last year uh for their their grant application and i think they did a good job of showing that the community and the neighborhood around them would support a project like
32:18this even if it's private so i just wanted to say that i mean it is only i mean 137 000 i mean it is private but uh yeah maybe this year i mean she's been in front of us before um the waterfront is on the rise so something to take into consideration anyone else have any christine yeah the other thing to take into consideration it's it's sitting in the newly created um waterfront
32:50cultural district as well and tourism in that area is is heavy you've got the battleship right there and with the other plans so um and and the building has a great history that the the uh presentation that they showed i thought was pretty amazing and um it would be it would be kind of neat if they could find a way to somehow get that story out to the public which i'm sure they would if they had
33:16the opportunity but it really is a lot more of a significant building than even i realized yeah okay all righty uh next one if there's no other questions uh couple cut woods the uh nature play and trail and property improvements
33:43does anybody have any questions on this one any input yes i'll just speak personally i am not as much a fan of the nature playstations as i am for the regular part of the for the rest of the apple that rep sorry for the rest of the application but the improvements and accessibility to the trail in the parking lot on the bridge um so i was happy that they sent the the cost breakdown so
34:1313 650 is earmarked for the play structures um i was just kind of taking to heart more so what green futures was saying about the the need for it i guess in terms of introducing you know children and stuff to nature and the environment um especially when we have so many other good projects this year but i do think that the accessibility is it's approved by the state so it wouldn't uh impact any of the
34:40conservation requirements or anything with that on the land um and the bridge and the parking especially i think would be welcomed by the community too yeah you're saying if we knocked out the the equipment part it would uh what's that 16.50 is the budget uh it's 13 650 year earmarked for the play structures and they did say that they were applying for other grants and i think they were
35:06planning on other grants to fund some of the play structures so i think in the plan they presented there still would be some play structures if we didn't fund the 13 650.
35:19yeah all right something to think about anyone else questions but already uh moving on to the next one is the uh four or five museum repair items required to open they're looking for 391 690.
35:41uh this has been a project we've been working on for a few years uh i guess they're there looks like they're going to be doing the roof soon um so that was last year's agreement so um any questions on this one chris so um they've been meeting and uh there's another meeting tomorrow i'm actually going to the meeting where they're going to be picking out the um the material that they're going to use
36:14on the roof and there's been input there's a group of people that are giving input because it's it was originally a slate roof but the idea of putting slate back up there is it's cost prohibit prohibitive plus it's also um yeah they have to take into consideration the weight of the slate on the actual eaves of the roof so it's not really a possibility but i they do have some really good um
36:41options right now so tomorrow's meeting is going to finalize that i believe uh because they have all the samples in and then from there they're actually going to be able to start working on the gutters so so their project is moving forward and it's nice to see because it's a great project and um it would be great for us to be able to fund it enough to where they could actually open and then once they
37:05open they'll be generating more income from them for themselves to do more of the work on the building yeah like i say this would be i think the finishing touches which would really be impressive when you drive by because a new roof new masonry i mean it would really pop and i think uh add to the public you know so yeah any other questions on alex i would just say too this city in
37:31particular has a very very it has a very important relationship with fire it's kind of forged the city over the years and i think a museum educating the community about that would have a lot of importance that uh hasn't been seen okay uh richard i i actually uh agree with alex um in working in another uh municipal government um we did fund the uh the city did you know fire museum and you know the
38:04turnout was great by the community so you know alex is right you know it would be a great project to fund so it would be um okay we'll move on to the next one is the antioch school exterior registration uh they're looking for 234 this is a nice nice historic building and it would be nice to see it come back to life a little bit does anybody have any questions on this one any input nope okay
38:50moving on uh next one is the greater fall river arts association um another nice project um uh great building they do great stuff uh looking to fix the the outside of the building up uh they're looking for 283 000 any questions input chris i i also think this is a great project and i think it probably will reach more people than people realize because they do a lot of public events they have gallery things
39:35they have classes there they have plans to do a lot of other things and for a small organization i think that they really do try and make a bigger impact and i the um the arts and culture community in the city seems to be rising and i think where we can put a little money into something that's going to promote art in the city is i think that's a good thing besides just
40:03the history of the building itself the building itself is spectacular it's just a beautiful building so i think for a lot of reasons this ties in with the master plan for the city and i just think it's a great project they do a good job of keeping the inside of the building looking great and it seems like they always have something going on in the weekend so it would benefit the public i think very well
40:30any other okay we'll move on to the dr fisk house this one uh we've done a few things already and i think this might be uh the last to finish it up the building's looking uh very nice they do a nice job down there alex you guys are doing a great job i'm just going to excuse myself sure i understand yep uh we did send in two estimates on the roof uh
41:01one was kind of a little crazy 135 and then the other one was uh local guy at 66 a thousand same same specs same everything um so he's looking for 190 for this one any uh questions input on this one i would just say get a third quote i think they've been trying to get a third quote and uh they're not coming in as easy as uh
41:37yeah i just got the two in right now so i don't know if we'll get another quote in uh before we decide does this now this will finish off the project that i think this will finish uh the doctor fist house yes okay so i i think considering we've funded the other things i personally think it would be a good thing to fund it especially if we can finish a project and the building is
42:06beautiful it really adds to that neighborhood it's nice to see you know it really just brings up everything around it in that neighborhood and hopefully it inspires other people to do the same thing i agree they do a nice job there and it would be nice to see like i say it's nice to see projects get finished off and the public can enjoy them so and they're also they're also very good
42:32at finding other sources of funding because i know they found funding to do other things in the house as well as other projects that they have in the future and i know they have big plans for historic preservation in the city and i think any way we can support that is a good thing yep i do too um all righty um any other questions i do think i i missed the uh
42:59uh madison at the number five fire and police station i don't know how i missed over that one um that's 497 thousand uh for more masonry work uh the only thing i have on this it's a good project it's private uh he still hasn't finished the uh the grant we awarded a few years ago so that's the only thing i keep in mind on that uh i kind of i think it's
43:30to give a grant and money's not used and to keep building up i think uh it's not too wise to our money giving it out i'd rather do it when he's ready to do it any questions input alex just on that note i would say that i did get a call from uh the jacobson's last night and they did receive three bids for the mason work for the previous project so it wasn't without trying and
43:56they are still moving forward anyone else have a question any input alrighty the last one is the uh historic saint anne's church the exterior uh restoration uh they're looking for 150.
44:16um this project's not bad uh i know it's a church but it's viewed by so many different things i mean architect uh that just falls in that plus they're coming up with the majority of the money on this project which also makes it look pretty good uh we're not putting as much in as what they're raising um so do we have any questions any input on that uh richard
44:41yes so when you say historic i mean when i transitioned here to fall river about 20 years ago i mean one of the first places i visited was actually saint ann's and and saint anthony's although it's a church it's a beautiful church and it's part of this community just when they were getting ready to shut it down i mean you i mean i'm sure a lot of the committee members or everyone seeing
45:03just the outcry from the community of such a historic place so i i mean if if anything i think this would be a great great great project and i think we'll receive a lot of feedback from the community for this project because saint ann's church is fall river so i agree yeah uh paul you're muted sorry if you go to the cpa database on what you see and i've checked it there are a
45:41number of communities that have supported religious structure so it's not unusual for cpa funds to be used to restore historic religious structures the one case that um one case that was involved the city of grafton or the town of grafton um and that was contested a 10 taxpayer suit was brought and that actually ended up being litigated it went up to the supreme judicial court and the decision in that case does not
46:21prohibit the use of funds necessarily use of taxpayer funds necessarily and they have criteria as to what makes it an appropriate appropriate source of funds they talk about the historic nature of the building itself is it significantly historic um if you remember at the meeting i asked about any historic context and i know that one of the responses was that president taft had visited uh had visited
47:00um we also have on record and you see in today's or last month's minutes uh that there is a food bank that is used there so it has other uses um and clearly in this case it's on there's a lease from the diocese so it's not even though they hold a couple of masses there um it's not a traditional church and one of the things that i noticed that i thought was very interesting
47:33was when they talked about the landmark status of those towers and how they're even used for navigation purposes so in looking at that i'm familiar with the decision of the sjc um i think that they're well i'm not going to give a legal opinion on that but i think if you look at the factors that they talk about in the sjc decision there are a number of those factors that exist in this particular case yeah thanks
48:10uh chris so one other thing to keep in mind here um if we agree to fund it and they accept the money there will be a deed restriction put on the property and in some cases it may not be you know the biggest deal because you know that in a lot of cases a building is going to be preserved regardless but i think this is one of those cases where
48:36if there's not a deed restriction put on it and something happens in the future and for whatever reason the preservation society they can't keep it running we don't know what the church would do with it we don't know if they would turn around and sell it to somebody that would demolish and the fact that there's no preservation restriction on it means that the building could be demolished and there really isn't
48:56anything that anybody could do so in some cases just having just giving funding to get a preservation restriction on a building is an important thing to consider and and even without the fact that like richard said it's just it's iconic it is fall river and so many other people support this ju beyond any of those factors just getting a preservation restriction on this building is a huge deal because
49:24in a short amount of time there have been quite a few churches that have been hit by the wrecking ball and uh it would be just un unimaginable to not see this building in the city i thought the testimony at the hearing was that this was registered in the national um registry of historic places it doesn't matter king philip mill was also on the national register of historic places and it still came down
49:55unless there's a deed restriction on a building the building can still come down regardless good point good point like i say they are only asking for 150 so to get a deed restriction on a building like that is worth looking into alex yeah and i would just say we could make it contingent upon them securing the other funding too to actually complete the project but much to rich in uh
50:22kristen's points this building is iconic to fall river and once you know years ago i think we all can remember that there was a lot of anxiety in the city when there were questions about its future um and as kristin was saying i personally think the greatest value would be the preservation deed restriction on this structure i'm very happy that the diocese would be even willing to accept
50:44it um and if ignoring the fact that we'd be helped funding a new roof for it which would help secure its future and of itself i mean if you could go to the community and save the 30 years on the deep restriction for 150 000 it comes out to five thousand dollars a year and i think the city and the residents would be more than willing to pay that to ensure it's protected for 30 years
51:06yeah i agree ready anything else all right we went through that pretty quick um but uh next week is the uh the funding round if we could have the uh score sheets in by like monday afternoon so we could add them up uh so we can uh start working on them next week when we do go to start funding uh when you look at a project uh we have we're gonna make sure we did like last
51:37year where we we pick everything out like nine poles nine light bulbs whatever uh to the t and then if there's a deed restriction on the property we have to add the extra money for that um like last year we uh we totally we only funded seven projects but we uh funded 100 of the projects which i in my view it finishes a project and the uh citizens see completion they see movement on the cpc
52:11board so that's something i'd like to see us keep in mind uh any questions anything that we want to cover before we move on to new business can i just say a couple of things um if like john said if everyone could have their score sheets emailed to me by mid-monday that would be great then i can tally them and get them to you before the meeting thursday rather than getting them to you that morning
52:39and like he also said keep in mind that any new projects that are going to need a deed restriction you're going to automatically have to add five hundred dollars four hundred to pay the attorney and a hundred dollars to file that deed so keep that in mind as well when you're doing the projects and if you do bond just keep in mind that you need to add the interest to the total
53:01amount that you want to bond all right chris i don't um i don't know why i didn't didn't um bring this up at the time the west the extension on the quirkichand river rail trail project did they i i can't remember did they say if westport is working toward putting it on their side because i know that the whole project is to extend it another 500 feet but then it ends at westport so
53:39do we know if westport's doing anything on their side if we're just adding like 500 more feet to this and then it just ends and that's you know i'm not sure i've heard westport talking about it but nothing is i've solid i've heard yeah they said so it will be 500 more feet and ending at the western westport town line with nothing there uh and there i know there have been a lot of
54:05discussions with like local groups and volunteer groups and non-profits and such in the town to encourage the town to form to fund their portion of the trail and i think the hope is when they presented this they said that it'll further encourage them to connect it to farmers line because say if they were to build their component of it as of now it would end in the woods in fall river you know same
54:27thing could be said for them good point okay uh any new business yes paul uh yes while we're talking about we mentioned the feed restrictions i believe last year we voted to raise the attorney's fees to 500 and as you know uh last year i filed an emergency application uh for to pay for the registration please um that account has never been set up and that's not something that i'm volunteering time for
55:06okay uh maybe we could talk about that tomorrow uh the oh just enough the account set up it's got a purchase order and everything the money's in the account the city council did approve the appropriation order all that needs to happen now is for me to get an invoice and do the bill schedule and they'll get paid but everything's set up the account has been set up for months now um
55:35that are all ready to be recorded but we can't record them as soon as i get the invoice the deed registered deeds will get their check well i have just a quick question um so the attorney fees were as 500 and then it'll be another 100 this year for the filing so the committee should really keep 600 in mind when you're adding to the new projects correct okay all right thank you that's my
56:02memory that last year we raised the fees to 500. okay so keep in mind it would be 600 you need to add to any new projects because the existing projects already have those restrictions on them and i'll work with paul and we'll give you a list of any of the new projects okay paul and paul i'll give you a call tomorrow and we'll see what we can do to work this out with registered deeds
56:26and get it off the table um okay no more new business can i have a motion to adjourn i'll make a motion to adjourn i have a second second okay meeting adjourned we'll see you next uh you have to vote john oh vote uh alex yes caroline yes richard yes hi oh yes uh chris yes jay yes john yes meeting is adjourned thanks nine everyone