3.5.2024 City Council - Public Works and Transportation

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hey will convene the clerk will take the role please coun counos here here um I'd like to just mention that uh Council Pony couldn't be here because he's out of town working um so that's why he's not here this evening pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that

such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible thank you uh first on our agenda is Citizens input I don't believe we have any second of the minutes from October 16th 2023 motion to approve second all in favor I motion I motion passes uh number three is an email communication regarding a water bill and a request for

review referred February 15 2024 I'm happy to say that this matter has already been resolved uh with actually a happy ending which made it even better uh so with that I will accept motion grants leave to withdraw second all in favor I motion passes motion to take items four and five together second all in favor I I motion to lift items four and five from the table second all in favor I I both all motions

pass uh number four is a resolution administrator of community utilities be invited to Committee on Public Works and transportation meeting to discuss solutions to the flooding issues on Anderson Street uh number five the Committee on Public Works Transportation discuss flooding issues at 50 Anderson Street specifically um so the U resolution is very short uh councelor lee um had put in this originally

whereas for River has been making attempts to address flooding issues and whereas a constituent recently report orted to several City councils his flooding concerns on Anderson Street now therefore be it resolved that the administrator of community utilities be invited to a future meeting of the Committee on Public Works and transportation to discuss solutions to the flooding issues in that

area and the second resolution was put in by uh Council Kamara be it resolved that the city council Committee on Public Works and transportation convened to discuss flooding issues at 50 Anderson Street so with that will invite Mr furland Mr Ballo if you can e both each state your name address position for the record Richard B 50 Anderson Street for taxpayer good evening Paul furland the administrator of community

utilities Council reposal Mr ferland uh I know you have a PowerPoint here so I mean I guess the basic question is where do we stand with the flooding issues in that area um what has been done to this point and maybe you can shed some light on the whole situation for us yeah if you want what I'll do I'll take a run through my PowerPoint presentation uh it's about South South wer Pond which uh sucker

Brook uh is what we're talking about and that directly feeds uh into uh the southw Tupper Pond it starts up in Stafford pond in TI Rhode Island uh which the city of full River owns uh comes down through tivan crosses underneath Route 24 uh in uh Rhode Island William canning Boulevard uh continues heading down uh passes by the end of uh Lark Street uh Anderson Street and a couple other streets heads uh into

the Wetland area next to the 994 Jefferson Street complex underneath some of those Mill buildings and then eventually makes its way into St into southw on so what I'm going to do I'm going to run through um start off you know I've done a couple of presentations on the work we've been doing on South wupa Pond uh public presentations um and that's where a lot of this work that

we've been able to get done uh has been generated so I'm going to run a little bit through the partners that we have on the project some of the work that we've done on the project some of the stuff specific to the sucker Brook uh which is what causes the flooding over uh in the Anderson Street area and then we can uh go on from there so some of the partners that we

have on the project we've been working with UMass dmouth B Coast Bank was the or initial originator that provided fundings for the South withon study uh we're working with Westport and Idan uh city of Fall River in the council have uh also been great the council uh allocated ARA funds towards this uh project and we always get support from our uh State Rep um and uh the center is

as well as well as uh representative in Rhode Island uh some of the new partners that we brought on recently uh Liberty Utilities has worked with us uh Municipal vulnerability preparedness program which I'll talk a little bit about later which paid for uh the most recent study and we have uh the next steps hopefully involve them as well uh We've partnered with Atlantis Charter School uh and they're going to be

hopefully part of this solution with their students uh making this an educational experience as well uh and then we also used groundwork South Coast in some of the past work that we've done so a little bit about I'll talk about what we've done uh where it's going uh and how it's going so if you look at the uh bottom left there uh that little circle that's kind of the whole entire Watershed uh for South with uper

Pond you have Stafford Pond that goes into it uh Deval Pond feeds into Sai Pond which feeds into South witha Pond but what we'll be talking about is the left-and side there staff at P coming around into South witha Pond um so you know it it's tough to talk about the uh flooding on Addison Street in the sucker Brook and sucker Brook drainage area uh without looking at uh the whole entire thing you know we

have the flooding just at the end of Anderson Street uh but it involves everything Upstream from there and everything Downstream any restrictions um um and all of this again uh we're trying to make the best ecological outcome with this whole entire project to help uh improve water quality within South wither Pond which is another issue that we have so just a brief overview um and I'll take my point to go up here just

uh can can we get a microphone for him Paul if we just get a microphone for you so the public can hear you thank you all right first up I've used the remote mic here so um this whole entire area is the uh sucker Brook um Wetland area so sucker Brook starts over in Stafford Pond over in tiet and Rhode Island comes down through uh crosses Stafford Road here uh crosses I believe this is uh

Lock Street uh that comes off of here here Progress Street uh continues down uh 50 Anderson Street is right over here right in this corner uh the actual Brook the channelized brook comes through this area crosses comes into this Wetland area has a channelized area there with a uh Culver in this area uh continues through this um mshi uh unproductive uh Wetland area comes down into the 994 Jefferson Street complex uh

so this is where Spectrum Lighting is uh the rowing Center is down over here uh continues through this complex by the rowing Center out into South wupa pond so what we really started with in the last project that we did in relation to uh South wupa Pond was we took and we took a look at a couple of different uh drainage areas that come down into it this being the primary one which we did

a hydraulic analys is and study of this whole entire sucker Brook and how it comes through because one of the things that we tasked our consultant with was not only looking at being able to do the ecological benefits for South with tuaan but also being able to uh improve the flooding that does occur within these areas um so they identified a couple of different spots along here uh that are

restrictions and we'll go over those uh in in a minute so you have the crossing through Lock Street that comes down uh and then comes down there's a Culver here 36 uh 4T burm with a 36in Culver um as you come down through here it crosses underneath the foundation some of those buildings uh and uh you know there's a 10x3 covet area that uh is shown as a slight restriction uh down in this area

where we put the new bridge in uh that Crossing is good and doesn't have much restrictions so this whole Wetland area also get gets water uh from this unnamed area that comes through so this is New Hall street Wood Street down in this area uh there's drainage from this area the low spot that comes through the center of the cemetery uh comes into uh this Wetland area uh some of it goes

into bleachery pond then from bleachery pond it's dumped into the Wetland area sucker Brook and makes its way out so this whole entire drainage area here talking about Stafford Pond and everything that feeds from Stafford Pond you're talking about everything that comes from uh comes from the casino comes from uh South Coast Marketplace comes from any of those areas eventually all comes down and comes through this

area Mr ferland if I could while while you're on that point so in that Anderson Street area and and the obviously the cause of that flooding I think we've identified but what has what particularly has changed in the mass last number of years to try to reduce that flooding what improvements have been made so over here we went out there uh it was probably seven years ago there

was a uh there was an old swell that ran down uh the side from the end of andon Street went out and uh dumped out into the marsh area uh that was that was filled in uh there was a burm at the end of it uh we went in there and cleared that out with with our own internal staff I think that helped some of the isolating flooding that comes down the

street uh and and would push out um wouldn't be able to push out so I think that helped that uh other than that a lot of the flooding and speaking with Mr Balo uh comes in from the back here comes down so sucker Brook comes down through here uh starts to fill up these wetlands and that's where the property is affected you can see how close those Wetland area and those bmed areas are to

the 50 Anderson Street as well as some of the other properties again and 50 Anderson Street is the low property within that uh that entire area Mr ferland yes so as I look at this if I'm I mean I'm a distance away so even though I have my glasses on but is it is is it at all possible or feasible to put in an additional culvert so that you would be uh directing more water

away from that area yep so we'll talk about some of the resolutions well the next slide talks about some of the restrictions and then we'll go into uh some of the potential resolutions so this right here is just showing uh suckerbrook uh some of the areas um if you look at the bottom picture the bottom picture there that's the 36 6 in covet that is on the uh that is uh in the BM that crosses

underneath um and then on the uh right hand side that's where sucker Brook starts to enter uh the mill complex and some of the foundation uh archways there that have been uh that have been closed up or possibly uh you know filled in with sediment over time so this is shown sucker Brook Restoration in existing conditions again this is showing uh a picture of uh the areas blue being the wetted areas uh

with some channelized uh with some channelized locations uh this is part of the hydraulic analysis and hydraulic study that's done to be able to show uh based on elevation where some of those areas are uh how water crosses and and moves down uh we took a look at it so you look at the precipitation um you know 1 in is essentially uh a one-ear storm uh and then it goes up from there

5year storm 4 uh 4.10 uh 10e storm 4.85 25 uh 6.7 um and again when we look at this uh and when we look at the solutions of this project you know and I I've said this on most all the drainage projects that we do um are we going to be able to build something big enough to say that it's never going to flood again no because you know the next rainstorm that

we get may be a higher intensity than we've ever seen in the past uh we all see what's going on you know everybody remembers the beginning of this this past summer all those high-intensity rainstorms that we got and that's what really hurts these areas when we get the slow moderate rains uh locations uh like this um yeah there's going to be you know that's a wetland area there's going

to be water that's moving through there and going through there but we don't get the extensive flooding that impacts the residents you know like we do when we get the high-intensity rainstorms yeah and it also should it also depends on the level of the water table at the time as well yeah I mean if if if your water table is at maximum that takes nothing for it to right uh settle on top right

exactly you know you look at just the storm that we got uh on Sunday that was about an inch and a half inch and 3/4 of rain depending on where it was me measured in the city uh typically we say that an inch of rain will bring in 3 in raise the southw up upon 3 in uh this past rainstorm brought it up almost five and a half in um that's just because the

whole entire Watershed is so saturated uh that we're that it just runs right off and comes right down so so how large of a rainstorm do we have to have for it to affect their property so looking we never really did an analysis looking specifically at that property and and the problem is it's such a big Watershed it's such a big um Wetland area that that you know kind of

goes into it's tough to say that you know the storm on this day it would flood the intensity and again it's a lot about intensity so we can say an inch and a half of rain if we're getting that over a 10 12h hour period evenly probably wouldn't affect their property but if we're talking an inch and a half of rain in an hour or half hour then they're probably going to be

affected SL um so Alternatives analysis what we looked at for this area and again um couple of things we're looking at uh repairing the flooding within the Anderson Street and other areas that are affected by this whole entire water shed uh as well as we're looking for uh improvements uh to the uh water quality in the southw UPA Pond And to clarify Mr fand have any of these Alternatives been decided on acted

on or would these just ideas that could possibly happen no none of these have been decided on there is not funding in place for any of these at this time uh again uh we did kind of uh based on um based on our study and based on our cost benefit analysis that we've done now with the limited uh design that we have done we're leaning towards uh towards alternative uh Solutions and again that

would be in the next step in the design we'd see what works best what's most cost effective to be able to uh to do that and we'll talk about that in a slide in just a little bit um but some of these uh this area over here to be able to get the water that comes in sucker Brook and move move it into the uh what we're calling the northern Marsh

um increase the capacity of the uh culet through the BM from a 36 in pipe to a 3ot uh tall by 8T wide Culver uh and then you could also instead of doing that you could do a box conduit through there 3 foot by 16t uh so those those are two options through there um up through this area as it runs underneath the buildings is to restore the arch arches that we saw just a couple of

slides ago uh and make it where it's a 10 foot wide by 3 foot high conduit now make it so it's 10t wide by roughly about 6 feet high uh which would allow additional water to be able to move out of the northern Marsh towards South with tu uh when you get into this area restore open channel uh so down through this area you're going to be taking and pushing the water faster through here

from here to here and then you're pushing it faster from here to here then that means that you need to open these up and be able to push more water through there so you can open up open up the open channels through here uh and restore the open channels um Within These Wetland areas what really should be done if you've looked at those they're they're Wetland areas but the uh vegetation in there isn't uh isn't very

conducive to be able to take phosphorus or nutrients out of the water um doesn't filter it properly uh so we'd really like to restore those Wetlands back to a more ecological beneficial Wetland area which also does help the flow of water moving through there as well if I could ask I don't know if I'm going to cut you off but here but as far as the AL these Alternatives you

mentioned that kind of in a very early phase so in a perfect world timeline wise when do you think that your department would look at maybe Poss moving forward with some of these Alternatives so again so we're looking to uh apply for a grant for the design uh that Grant uh I expect out within a couple of weeks for the application process uh I've already uh you know we did a uh pre- uh application conference

with the grant people and um they seem to their feedback was great about this project they were excited about it you know it hits a bunch of uh a bunch of the check boxes that they're looking for ecological benefits uh infrastructure benefits reduce flooding and impact into residents um those those are huge things as part of the MVP program um the expectation if if a grant is awarded

usually in the June time frame of this year uh then the design process to be able to get this stuff up to 100% design I would expect would take about a year through that process there's a lot of P public Outreach too um you know we'd be partnering with Atlantis cha School uh and some local Grassroots organizations to be able to uh uh do some focus groups with the business communities out there

uh with the residents uh in that area that may be affected uh to be able to uh to get the whole entire design and tonight I'm talking a lot about the the infrastructure portion and the ecological benefit um there's a third portion to the design of this whole entire project uh and that is to um to make uh to use it as an educational area um one of the concepts that we looked at

originally uh a while ago had a had an elevated platform that went through the Wetland with different educational stops along the way uh that could be used by school groups or just people uh going out to that area uh there's talk of a of a Spur from the bike rail coming down to this area so it would connect uh directly in with that as well is it at all possible

to raise the height of the BM so that there would be less uh flooding from the Overflow so the BM So speaking specifically about Anderson Street uh 50 and Street which is right over here essentially sucker Brook comes down comes through a channelized area uh the problem is once start to get a rainstorm uh the channel comes up the flow comes up uh as you can see this area it flows into here in this area

here as well um once this channel starts to come up this is all a reran area over here which means essentially it's a flood plane um so it's designed once the channel comes out it spreads out and moves um so what ends up happening is the water comes down and enters this Wetland area as as well and that carries some of this water down through here through this whole entire area um you

know the real fix we're not really able to build up a burm um in this area because eventually then it's just going to find its way around the burm uh one way or the other uh this burm over here it's not that water is coming back from this way we need to figure out to get the water out that way

quicker did this to me yesterday

too okay so again overview so this is a look at at some of the different Alternatives uh and how to do it alternate one and two flood mitigation by increasing the mosh berm um covet capacity so that's being able to open up that covet to be able to get the the water through faster uh alternate three and four uh by restoring the open Channel Downstream and uh alternate five uh improve

improving the water quality by improving the Wetland um the graphs on the right show some of the different uh uh studies that that some of the things that were done when they looked at the study the flood elevations and the height of the water during different storms and different alternates and then the lower one shows uh how that would change if those alternates were uh were implemented so Implement alternative to

uh to mitigate the flood flooding replace the um the kelv cross Crossing that was the uh what we saw at the point to be the most economical uh to be able to do what that's going to do that's going to take the flooding on Anderson Street uh in a 25-year storm currently uh model shows that it floods at 1.7 feet uh that would take it so that it would only be 7 feet uh which again

would definitely help the property um at 50 Anderson Street um implementing uh alternative five uh will help all of the ecological benefits it'll help uh help filter out all of the uh some of the things coming down from Dickenson Street coming down from uh Upstream it'll take a lot of that out so again just on this slide it talks about the future uh Public Access and education uh during the

project so this is just uh some real rough cost cost estimates that we did during the initial uh stage of studies so the flood M mitigation alternative cost um 840 uh for the first part and then uh to do the downstream area uh we were at 1.8 uh to be able to uh to carry that through total those those those two added together so we're get a 2.6 yes yeah and

and the grant you're the grant you're applying for at this point covers what part of these costs um very early stage of it yeah so so we we currently we looking to apply for it's we haven't decided on the final number yet depends on what we need for public Outreach in uh you know continued full study but we're looking 4 to 600,000 so again just on the south with up of pond one thing that that we're

working on is the nutrient inactivation or potentially doing something in the pond um but it it means a lot from The Watershed that comes down uh all that water that comes down uh into southw Tupper Pond uh through sucker Brook through the Interceptor drains uh through all the runoff that comes from all the properties uh all has phosphorus nutrients uh trying to reduce that um is

is one thing that we need to look at too for the ecological benefit uh so future Pursuits what we're doing we always is doing is advancing gor water maps and drainage uh we want to make sure that we do Outreach and use this for a learning experience uh and you know this this is going to involve permitting through conservation um and possibly meepa review so there's going to be Wildlife uh studies that are going

to need to be done out there as well as plant studies and other things as we move forward um this goes through some of the partners that we've uh that we've brought on and funding that we've been able to to get again a number of uh different agencies uh have provided funding uh for this project as well as uh the additional work we did on southa um again what people individual

people can do to help drainage issues like this help water quality in general uh just a couple of five different steps uh build healthy soils so you want to be able to um you know L have your grass so that it use that so that it soaks up water um you don't want to over fertilize that's one thing that uh that everybody you loves ferti fertilizer to make the grass nice and green go with an

allnatural type fertilizer uh not something that's a chemical phosphorus based about that me I have three dogs natural fertilizer amen that's um mow your grass pick up your grass clippings dispose of them through uh through the proper disposal means for River we have the collections and also available uh to be dropped off um so smart watering you don't want to overwater stuff so that things uh soak

up the water when the rain comes uh and then compost any of your leaves as well leaves is also a big contributor not only to blocking drainage channels uh and issues of you know catch basins and things like that but then also the phosphorus from the leaves runs runs off so again I just wanted to kind of give you a broad overview it's you know I know we're here talking about the

flooding on Anderson Street and um you know Mr Balo has been impacted multiple times in the past uh due to the issues out there but it's the issue isn't isolated to just there it's a large scale issue uh that affects multiple things and it's you know hundreds and hundreds of Aces uh that come down and create this issue so I yield go

for that's when that foot was yeah but then we had another one another time and it was just a couple years ago Paul came down today then yep I got to say your Paul's been very uh Eon trying to do everything he can to help out with the

situation so money short and the list is long yeah uh but in so in reality is there anything at this point that that we can do to that's pretty bad it's so flooded that I thought the picture was upside down but it was the reflection in the water that um to alleviate some of their problems I mean they've been battling this for what 14 years yeah and every time they come down it's pretty much a

non-answer um and they just continue to go through this Havoc no again and it's and it's a very tough situation and um all of the flooding areas around the city we you know we discussed this on multiple different areas um you know but to fix there's no easy quick cheap way to fix these issues you know uh just the scale of it uh and the area that comes

down um if there was a cheap easy way to fix it that anybody saw I'm sure we'd be more than willing to to go that way way you know if I knew that I could apply for a grant and fix Mr Bow's problem tomorrow you know we would have we would have done it you know to then you know you you look we talk back to uh 2010 2010 uh South witha Pond was uh 36 in

above above full pond um during during that high high intensity rainstorm I think it was 36 we got uh over 30 Ines of rain uh in 30 days on that spring um there was multiple houses around South with tuap pan that were that were flooded or underwater um that year was an extreme event uh and um we have had multiple extreme events since then this spring we saw a a slew of high-intensity

rainstorms um you know and you have this the areas that that get affected uh uh Stafford Square um Bedford Street uh you know we have all of those flooding areas you look at some of the areas where we've where we've made improvements and it's a large costly improvements that we've done uh Garden Street uh in the bottom of all those streets off of New Boston Road occas uh Vincent that

flooded for years uh we invested um money in that drainage area and were able to make the improvements needed over there uh High Street the two areas over there but again uh what it takes is the design uh it takes the process to be able to go through to be able to uh properly design the project and then fund the project and construct the project so best case scenario at this point um they probably isn't anything

that's going to alleviate anything probably for at least a year and a half two years correct right again right now you know that would be if if you guys allocate if the council allocated an authorization tomorrow uh to be able to you know uh move forward and fix this whole entire problem uh that would be the time frame that we'd be looking at you know I would say that the design

to be able to fully design even fully straight through design this project uh you're probably looking at about a year uh with permitting uh a year to a year and a half actually cuz you have Conservation Commission you're going to have to do a full meeper review uh which is uh potentially Army Corp of Engineers uh which can definitely add some time onto your schedule of design designing

this isn't just uh you know being able to design a pipe going down the street and go out and construct it when when you're involved in the wetlands and the resource areas that are impacted with the construction that needs to be done to make this better um the permitting can take the most time on the design end well I think I feel like in the past we've come down here and we've heard o

sorry nothing we can do um but when you're still looking at years um I don't know that I could have tolerated it this long not to be honest it's getting tougher and tougher I mean it's you know I mean one of these days some attorney is going to see this stuff on and he's going to say I can make a boatload of money if this something happens to this individual's home that's that's what I

think will happen I think you know some attorne is going to be like I I want some money out of this deal because you know I know Paul's doing everything he can I mean you know I had that problem in front of my house there when you you know in the winter time it would rain out all the time because they they crowned the street then I talked to Paul

about it and he says I'll make sure it's taken care of when they when they did the gas lines sure enough they they fixed it up there but then up the street where they put the BM up the street they took it out so now all the water from Dick Street runs back down and indicot Street and right down Anderson Street instead of staying on Dickerson Street they took it out and I told the guy says

look you can see the BM going away across he says well there's nothing I could do about it and they just left it flat and there's no way we can get that BM replaced uh I did make it Mr Balo mentioned that that to me earlier um I'm going to take a look at it tomorrow uh and see uh see what can be done again if that was a gas company that went went

through there they should have replaced it as it was so it'll be looked at talked to Paul before he's one I had it done can you advise the have that yeah thank you he says no we we have bur put in there when they did the redid the street then they did that Birman place you know so yeah I like his idea you know with with you know trying to do educational stuff back there because I

walked back there a few times and it it's actually really nice back there you just can't walk back there cuz there so much you know brush and Bri like I said before you can't walk that stream though but it would be really really nice and like you said you know tied it into the bike path would' be really nice you know um people will uh you know probably take

the bike path and ride all the way out there and then you know go to Market Basket from you know the other side of the city how long ago did the gas company do that work uh that was sometime last year some so will we we should uh theoretically still be within that window of uh being able to get them to go back in and restore it to what it

was when they ripped it up yeah again the gas companies usually I've always found them to be a pretty decent partner if they did something uh incorrectly but it wasn't the gas company itself that did it was the T the company who came and tar it after you know the I forgot who it was that did it yeah the subcontractor working for the gas company but I I'll talk directly to the gas company because essentially they're

respons and this is just I just hit Paul this now so it's nothing I talked to him about before so right right I just hit him with it now that was part of the purpose of the you look into it but I do like you know the idea of you know you know really looking into like making it more educational you know be able to go back there yeah it's a beautiful area in in

the South End doesn't have uh you know a lot of the uh a lot spot like that um you have some of the businesses there that you know you know when this if that educational portion gets done uh you know to be able to have the people on their lunch breaks go for walks through there be able to have the school Atlantis is right there be able to take

the kids over uh the kids that go to the rowing Center Program be able to walk them through there for the educational experience but uh again uh I sometimes have high hopes and uh you know the uh the vision doesn't get made if uh somebody doesn't have the vision so and if we gave Paul all the oper money for he would affix a lot of the problems in the city I know you tried to get more

from but you know um it only go so far yeah yeah yeah if IID had my way he would have had a lot more but I think it's a lot of the restrictions that that water's not flowing is that's what's causing the biggest problems where it just doesn't flow fast enough and it's just backing up and it's it's flooding out my property it's just overcoming through sucker Brook where it got comp I

believe it got compromised back in 2010 because in those storms started in the 13th so 13th and 14th they had some severe flooding in the city then again on the 22nd and the 24th 22 22nd 23rd and 24th in 2010 and that property had no water problems whatsoever and there was some heavy rains during that storm it didn't happen until the 29th that's when and now ever since then it's just problems

with you know rain rainstorms it just floods right out cuz I think it's just so much water coming over now from that area you know from soccer Brook itself I I think I got compromised and I think it's just coming through yeah and the key is to you want to redirect it and get it out as quickly as it's coming in otherwise yeah and I know Paul do not the kind of guy who

wants to do Band-Aids on thing cost the tax payers more money he likes to get it fixed and fix it the right way yeah According to some of the articles I read because I've been doing a lot of research on a lot of stuff yeah no you know we can you can Band-Aid everything for so long and it it you know uh you know and we talked about this before here you know cost

more money in the long run yeah and even so you know B said well slow the water coming down but so you slow the water that's coming down Upstream somewhere and then you cause another issue Upstream you know so then you slow the water down more Upstream from there and you cause it you know then you're flooding the people off flooding people on Napoleon Street where sucker Brook goes through their backyards you know

then you push it up and you flooding out the uh the other side of Mariano Bishop should pull up on so you know it's you can't back it up much you got to be able to get it out faster out we should have got a lot of money from the casino cuz the casino dumps an awful lot of water into that stream an awful lot I mean all that property everything it just runs

down and into sucker Brook really the city dropped the ball back then I think that was before Paul time you know there's uh so there's nothing that can be done in terms of drainage for them you know again I don't know whether I talked to the council about it or whether it was one of the one of the Committees I was in front of but you know Fall River residence we have the storm water fee uh

but that's only within the corporate borders of the city we don't have the ability to uh fee anybody outside um you know now that we're in a partnership with Westport and Tibetan because all of their water sheds come down essentially into South witha Pond uh which we manage the water coming and out of South with tough upon how that partnership moves forward is something that we kind of

exploring yeah that would be nice if if they could have some responsibility and uh yeah you know one of the ways would be to that the state has available is to be able to create a dam District uh so every within the Watershed uh for a particular Dam that it flows into uh there could be uh feed to all those properties within the Watershed uh to create one of those it's

it's a bit complicated and needs to be approved by the M municipalities that would be included in that District so uh that's you know the tough thing to be able you're also talking about a a city a town in another state too which even more complicated oh yeah everyone trust me I I'm trying and exp exploring but it's it's sometimes difficult understood it's just so frustrating we come back

here Time After Time After Time and you walk out feeling like horrible because we we still have no remedy we still can't help them it it's correct it's so frustrating you know and some of these resolutions with 20 you know 22 um but 2022 we didn't have any of this information we didn't know where the restrictions were we didn't know what the problem was we didn't have the basic hydrology we didn't have the basic

survey for that area so you know even though I'm here explaining this and seems like we're getting nowhere we're making progress forward we're in a better spot than we were few years ago I think yeah based on the dates of the resolution were're talking 2018 what I do now is that that that side floods out so much so I got a 2-in pump and I pump it all the way to the other side so it

soaks into the ground much better and then if I didn't do that the other day I I probably would have been flooded right out so it's so in pretty good the other way and you get a heavy rain it's not like every big rainstorm it's you it's like Paul says if you get so much rain and it's so saturate like you were saying too that the water has no place

to go so we need is like a big Pump Station just to pump it right to bleach repond there's a thought put a pump station right there at the bottom there and pump it right across we don't want to talk what pump stations C if you go down the more there's there's um like on the right here well it's not theal but you know following my house all the way down into the wetlands there's two pipes

they're not very big well they're they're good siiz pipes that go that take all that water and bring it across yeah they're good size but not for the amount of water we're discussing amount of water that we're discussing it's just not handling it you know like I said to you when was that built you know and when's the last time it was updated it was I don't think it was designed to

have all this water dumped into that soccer Brook like it is now know back whenever it was constructed you and there wasn't houses that were you know I was just going to say that too you had a lot more land that could flood and it didn't bother anybody exactly any motions I mean I think we've we've discussed that there progress to be made the the best case scenario we're looking at an update like Paul said

within a year um just my fear now is that you know they're talking 1 to three inches of rain tomorrow night yeah so am I going to wake up tomorrow morning my house under water so I think the in the terms of the resolutions we've we've addressed and discussed the the purposes of both correct the question now is going to lie on in the future in your year and a half

timeline the you know the P going for your Grant what have you um we'll have to revisit this at a later date but I think as far as in terms of resolutions we've addressed them so I would agree um unfortunately just no solution to the problem tomorrow that's that's where we're at corre but clearly we've we can all agree that progress has been made since these are both filed and progress

will continue to be made it's just a matter of when we see that final day so I suppose we could um make a motion to either um for an update and in a certain length of time um we could probably withdraw these resolutions at this point where they have been addressed yeah um yeah I'll I'll make the motion uh to Grant leave to withdraw both four and five I'll second that all

in favor I I motion passes motion to adjourn uh well you want to make a motion to uh for an update yeah we file one we file a resolution to uh yeah the we make we will file a resolution on behalf of the committee to um review the status of Grant and the progress toward the alternative solutions to addressing the overall um flooding issues and you said your first timeline in terms of

uh seeing if the grant is going to go forward with be what uh historically MVP they've usually uh usually by June we hear about that Grant typically um but there is no set deadline that they have to award by or anything like that okay so we're probably looking at July yeah so may maybe we even do a a quarterly update on the progress of this and then we're looking at four quarters in the in

a matter over a year um and then we can keep not only Mr Barlo updated with what's going on in in the progress but also the public at large that progress is being made toward addressing these issues and where those steps have been um I think Mr F has did a good job in presenting the data which ionically the first quarter would be July there you go data for everything so I would I would

the committee could forward that put together that resolution to uh to monitor I'll make a I make that in the form of a motion I'll second that all in favor I I motion passes thank you gentlemen thank you I me I think his idea you know would like I said you know fixing that up back there would be you know great for the whole entire city really you know for

people to enjoy so I walk back then and you can't really walk back there but it's it's nice sometimes you see the deer run by and if you run fast you can out run the coyotes and I mean hey the educator and me will say that education uh attracts people to contribute to the overall success of the plan so I think you know when you look at the partners you have

involved in this project I mean and the charter school being one of them consider considering where they're located in the city um there there's a buy into that as well so I think that's that's great maybe someday we can get a beach down there maybe bring Dave's Beach back motion to adjourn second all in favor I Committee on Public Works and transation has been a j

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