4.15.2025 Historical Commission

All right. Um, good evening everyone and I'd like to call tonight's meeting of the Fall River Historical Commission uh to begin. Um, the this meeting tonight is hybrid, both in person and virtual uh via Zoom. Um, it is Tuesday, April 15th, 2025. It is 6:00 p.m. Uh, pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the

meeting through any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those present and are sorry are deemed acknowledged and permissible. Um all right uh and as I mentioned this is hybrid both in person and via Zoom virtually and which will be available on the Fall River Government Television's YouTube page. Um may I get a roll call?

Um Jonathan Lima present. Jason Bashard and Iraqi present. Rick Mancini present.

Joyce. Joyce, we're doing roll call. I'm sorry.

We're doing roll call. Yes. Present.

Thank you. Um and Ashley, can you state Ashley Dunia present via Zoom? Thank you. Um, we are missing Elizabeth Del and Connie Su this

evening.

Um, item number one under uh minutes, we do have um this was tabled on March 18th, 20 uh 25 um to review and approve the minutes from January 28th, 2025. I did send those around an email over the weekend. Um, did everyone have a chance to review those?

Yeah. Very well done. I would make a motion to approve the January 28th. I'll second that. Okay. I have a motion by Rick, seconded by John to approve the minutes from January 28th, 2025. Uh, roll call. John, yes. Rick, yes. Joyce, yes.

Ashley. Ashley, can you repeat that?

Yes. Thank you. And Jason Buchard and Iraqi.

Yes. Um item number two to review and approve the minutes from March 5th, 2025. That was a special meeting. It was tabled on March 18th, 2025. And I did send those around this weekend as well.

Motion to approve. Second. Okay, John and Rick. Seconded by Rick. Um, I got a roll call. John, yes. Rick, Rick Mancini. Yes. Joyce. Joyce Rodri. Yes.

Ashley. Ashley.

Ashley, we are we just did a roll call vote. What is your uh vote on the minutes item number two from March 5th?

Yes. Thank you. And Jason Bousardi. Yes.

Thank you. I do apologize for the audio difficulties that we're having. for uh between the Zoom and the uh cameras. Um item number three is to review and approve the minutes for March 18th, 2025. Uh those are not ready yet. Um so we'll need to table make it a motion to table this for April. Motion to table.

Second Rick. Motion by I'm sorry. Motion by John. Seconded by Rick to table approving the minutes from March 18th.

Roll call. John. Yes. Rick. Rick Manceni. Yes. Joyce Joyce Rodri. Yes.

Ashley. Yes. And Jason Buchardi. Yes.

Thank you. Um, do we have any citizens input this evening? No. Okay.

Um uh under items four, notice of intent to demolish, I received an inquiry regarding 27 Woodbine Place, um to demolish the existing structure, which is a workshop. I did inform Carrie in the licensing office that the property is not listed on the Fall River register of significant structures.

Um any questions on that one at all? No.

Um, item number five regarding 22 Queen Street, uh, a request to demo a garage.

Um, I received the notice from Carrie in the licensing office. I did inform her that the property is not listed on the Fall River register of significant structures. Um, under correspondences, uh, I received an inquiry regarding 764 High Street. This was received on March 26th, 2025. uh regarding replacing existing vinyl siding and roofing material. Um I did inform Carrie the property is outside of the boundaries of

the um Highlands local historic district. It is in the Highlands National Registered District. There are no design guidelines or restrictions in the National Register District.

Um, regarding 503 Highland, um, I did receive an inquiry on April 9th, 2025 regarding if there's any restrictions on the property, uh, that would come under review of the historical commission. Um, uh, this is the, uh, Nathan Dery House.

It is the large stone house on Highland Avenue. Um, there are no design restrictions on the exterior. I did inform Carrie that it is a contributing resource to the Highlands National Registered District.

Um, let's see. Item number 8, 762 Rock Street. Uh, another inquiry received on April 9th, 2025 regarding um, uh, exterior restrictions. The owner is replacing the existing asphalt shingle roof with slate. Um, I did inform Carrie the prop same as number uh, item number seven, the property is within the Highlands National Register District.

There are no design guidelines to for those properties. Um it is outside of the boundaries of the Highlands 40C.

Um let's see, item number nine, Deval School, 112 Flint Street. Uh this was an inquiry received March 27th, 2025. Uh this was from a professor from UMass Dartmouth. The um the program is uh and I did do have the email in here as well.

The program is the interior architecture and design program at UMass Dartmouth.

Um she is working with let me get the professor's name.

Um it is Rose Mary Body Salitzki. She is working with uh Mike uh Mike Dion and the mayor regarding um a student project regarding proposals on how to rehabilitate the property. Um, and so the I actually I met with the students yesterday. It was very last minute, but um they are preparing to do a full presentation with the mayor's office um at a date that has not yet been um agreed upon. Um they're still not

quite finished, but looking at the different proposals um that the students had. So these are students who are um they are sophomores sophomore year through um senior year. Uh one of which is working on her thesis. Um and so the pro um the programs that they had or proposals that they had so far were uh a mixture of affordable housing. Um, there was one proposal that had a uh kind of

like a like a community center, not a not I I don't want to use the phrase a homeless shelter, but um kind of like a temporary housing. It was actually very interesting. It's based off of a model in Boston. Um but um and so all of these would be likely utilizing um historic tax credits um because the building is on the National Register of Historic Places. Um and um yeah um so all the the proposals were

they're pretty fascinating but we will be so when they do a full presentation to the mayor's office um we will be invited to attend. It would be something I believe it it will be open to the public. Um regarding that um the origin of how they got to um work on this particular project. Um so the professor uh was reaching out to New Bedford and Fall River regarding any um potential

rehabilitation projects that either city had. Fall River responded the fastest.

Um I don't think New Bedford ever actually responded. um and a series of different properties were um proposed for the uh to the professor and they ultimately went with the Deval School.

Um so it's very it's it's fascinating.

Um so the building itself, it's a twin to the Connell School on Plymouth Avenue. Uh designed by Joseph Darling.

Um the Darling Firm, highly prolific uh very highly prolific firm in the city designing hundreds of houses, churches, schools, you name it. I mean it's it's endless what this firm has done. um very significant work and uh this particular building was done in 1892 originally the Flint Street School and then renamed after um uh forgot the gentleman's first name uh but the last name is Dval um but he was

I believe the former principal at the former Flint Street School um so but the proposals that they're working on will rehabilitate the structure and um yeah so Any questions on that at all?

Interesting. Yeah, it is. I I It was actually pretty uh neat to see the proposal. So, um but everything will be made public to the or at least be presented to the mayor's office. Um so, I think they're trying to figure out a date uh because they'll be wrapping up soon and beginning to work on their finals. So, um in the next couple of weeks. Um let's see. Um under new

business, uh number 10. So, we have Ryan LLC uh returning to request continued letters of support uh for following projects with historic tax credits. Um 10 A is 529 Eastern Avenue, the Notre Dame Rectory. 10B is 66 Troy Street, the Union Built, and 10 C is 206 Globe Mills Avenue, Sanford Spinning. And I believe we do have um Emily uh from Ryan. Emily, would you mind um just stating your name

and your affiliation and uh we'll proceed.

Sure. Um Emily Dominani with Ryan. Um and I am the historic consultant for those three projects.

Thank you. Um so regarding um I guess we can just go down the line as we've done in the past. We usually approve in in a bulk um because these are continued letters. Um, so if there's any updates for the projects, um, I do know and I just learned today, uh, for 10A 529 Eastern Avenue that the property will be going up for auction. I learned that today. Does that change the nature of the project?

Um, so that is not the case. Um, they h and I I talked to them today. So, okay.

um the there was the potential for that to happen, but they have worked it out with the bank. So, they're still moving forward with the project. Um and they are planning to start construction in June. June. Wow. Okay.

Excellent. That's good. Um have any plans changed with the designs?

Nope. No plans of change with the design and they they're moving forward with the same architect and everything they are. Okay.

Is is that an is that official that it has been renegotiated because it was just out in the press today that it's going Yeah. Yes.

Um it has been I know he was trying to um get in touch with them because it wasn't supposed to be going out but because this was all just maybe even an hour ago um where this was all happening um he he's trying to confirm what what that why that went out today. Um but in he said that they've talked to everything and they've secured the loan.

So I think everything's okay. It's just um they there might be some logistical things that had to be done in the process. Okay.

Any questions on that? No, that's it's reassuring because the u when I saw that on um on social media this afternoon um because it is a very it is a very significant building um architecturally and socially and religiously. Um, so it does have a very important place in the Flint neighborhood and um, uh, I mean, yeah. So that's So, so the he that you mentioned is the same organization

that's been working on this for the past what year, year and a half, a couple longer. Yep. Still been. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Excellent. And June construction date. That's excellent. Thank you. Um, any other questions regarding 10A? No.

Okay. Uh 10B66 Troy Street. Um that one's very visible. That one's uh well under construction. I see. Um any changes or any updates to that plan?

No updates to the plan. Just that um they are probably estimated 60 to 70% done with a summer finishing date. There was a new staircase that was approved and everything that's going in. The fourth, third, and fourth floor are framed and drywalled. Second floor is framed. Windows are in. I think the windows were in last time I was here, but windows um and the rooftop condensing units are in. So, definitely

moving along.

Great. Um any questions for Emily on 10B? No. Okay, it's moving fine. Um and 10 C um 206 Globe Mills Avenue. I believe you said that they were beginning construction that the last time that we met.

No. Um so the last time we met, I believe I had said in the spring they're closing on their finances um on their loan, which still which hasn't happened yet. Um that hasn't really changed. is just um still in in process. Um and I don't know if we had expected it to be done by this April point anyway. Um yeah, but things are going going well there. Just they're um I know they're anxious to get

to construction, but it's just challenging with a project this size to finalize all the all the numbers. Okay.

So, no construction, nothing's being done. How about that fire they had? How damaging was that?

They had a fire. Yeah, they had a small fire in there. I didn't know that. Okay.

He didn't mention that when I asked him for an update, so I I can't comment on that. I apologize. I can um follow up with you on that for sure, though. Yeah, it was a few months ago. Number of months ago, five, six months ago. Anyway, it's fine.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Um, any other questions for Emily regarding 10 C? Um, so in the past we've done, as I mentioned, the bulk approval. Um, so this would be approving uh continued letters of support for items 10 A, B, and C. All right. I'll make a motion that we supply letters of support for uh east 529 Eastern Avenue, 66 Troy Street, and 206 Globe Mills Avenue. I'll second.

I will second that. Let her go, Ashley.

Okay. All right. Thank you. I have a motion by Rick, seconded by Ashley, to approve letters of support for 10 uh items 10 A, B, and C. Uh may I get a roll call vote? John. Yes. Rick. Rick Mancini, yes. Joyce, Joyce Rogers, yes.

Ashley, yes. And Jason Buchard and Iraqi. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Emily.

I will um What is the filing deadline? I think the 30th. The 30th. Yep. You'll have those by the end of this week. So, I will have those out to you. Thank you.

My pleasure. Thank you. Have a good one.

Have a nice Easter.

You too.

Um, next on the agenda, um, item items 11, uh, A, B, and C, uh, we have Heritage Consulting Group, uh, regarding, um, continued letters of support for the following projects with applications for tax credits. Um, 11 A is 80 to 84 North Main Street, the BMC Dery Trust Building. 11B is 110 Chase Street, the Wyoming Mills. and 11C is 135 Alden Street, the Flint Mills. Um, I believe we have a representative from

Heritage. Um, if you wouldn't mind stating your name and your affiliation, please.

Yep. Uh, Nate Kerwin here from Heritage Consulting Group and and the historic consultant on those three projects.

Great. Thank you. Um, so I regarding the uh any updates uh to the projects, um, we can just go down the line. So 11A 80 to 84 North Main Street. Um have there been any updates to the project?

Uh I do not believe since the last meeting uh from an application standpoint, design standpoint, everything has been approved and there aren't any more outstanding conditions.

And as far as I know, construction, I think mostly in the form of demolition is underway.

So that one is is in good standing right now. Great. Okay. Um and how um about how long is the interior demo to take?

Uh we don't have any jurisdiction over de um interior, but um for this particular project um like did that just recently start?

Uh I'm not sure how far along they are.

I just had a conversation last week uh regarding one of the vaults and the structure within just looking to retain that that structure within.

Oh. Mhm. As much as they've done, I'm not entirely sure, but I'm pretty sure they're they're pretty much on their way and almost ready to start Great.

Perfect. Studying out the other construction. Yeah. Well, and uh they did receive uh CPC. They received CPC funding and it was approved by the city council uh actually two weeks ago, Tuesday. So, they are receiving a, you know, a substantial amount of money to help offset some of the cost of the windows. So, they they'll be receiving they'll be getting that uh that check shortly. That funding will be rel. They

don't get the check. They just get the funding. I was wondering how that they'll get the funding uh authorization shortly if it isn't. Okay. They don't receive uh funds until the they like invoices are received. Okay. Exactly.

Okay, perfect. Thank you. Um, any other questions regarding 11A? No. Okay. Um, 11B is 110 Chase Street. Have there been any updates regarding that property?

Uh, and we can kind of lump this into to the next one, too. So, that's the same applicant. Um and I can say that both of them uh no work has has continued on since our last meeting and they're still working with an architectural team to finalize updates to the design in relation to the comments from MHC.

The comments from MHC you said? Yes.

Okay. Any drawings being developed at this point?

They they're currently being developed.

Uh haven't seen them yet, but hopefully here very soon. We we keep wondering where they are ourselves. Uh just because we want to keep this project moving along as well.

But from but from a a total design perspective, I mean from well from the apartment viewpoint and the amenities and such like that that is still consistent. Okay. So, so if you if you or when this next uh uh quarter comes around for refunding, uh if the drawings are available, would you be kind enough to come here, maybe make some sort of a presentation so we could get an update on what the construction looks like?

I can see about it in person. Uh I'm down in Philadelphia.

Um but I can I can most if they are available, I'm more than happy to provide them to you uh via PDF and then um a presentation prior to the meeting if that would be helpful. Yeah, sure. You know, even a representative of it, it could just show up here with the drawings just so we could get a glance of what the propertyy's looking like, what it's what it's coming to, you know, what kind of

fruition you're that it's coming to. Is Heritage based in Philadelphia?

That's correct. Yes, it is. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Um and so let's see. Um and no work, no demo or cleanup on the properties at all. Um I go by the Flint Mills on occasion, and I'm just not I'm not 100% sure, but I believe there's large bays in the back that are wide open. Is that I'm not even sure if that's exactly what I'm looking at, but um so I don't know if there's any cleanup going on on the property.

Not that I am aware of. Um if anything is it's basically just stabilization.

Okay. All right. Um any questions regarding So that was um 11B and C. Yes. Okay. Um actually before I do forget, so regarding 11B I and based on what we're talking about, it sounds like we still have a little ways to go. Um, but when part of the proposal was to partially demolish the newer sections of the the property, there are some modern additions to the back and um I believe there's also a modern smoke stack.

They're not um they're listed as non-contributing, I believe, on the um actually I believe the property was not officially listed on the National Register. I think that was also something that was in progress with um the Chase uh the Chase Street property that it was surveyed in the 70s or 80s, but it was omitted uh due to opposition from its previous owner. Um so I don't Is that process still ongoing to have it

listed on the National Register?

I believe that that has been resolved.

It has. Okay. All right. Um so when it does come time for the demolition of the modern structures. Um we because that our demolition waiver has since expired a long time ago. So we will need to review that again um because there would be a six-month delay um on any structure that's on the national register or the um the city's uh register of significant structures. Um so we would need to

approve a waiver uh for any partial demolition of the property.

Okay. A waiver for that six months. Yes.

Yes. You you you said it was it was resolved in which direction as that it's listed. Yeah, it's listed.

Yeah, it would have to be. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. My bad. Okay.

Excellent. Um great. Um any other questions for Nate on these? No. Okay.

All right. Um so this is Thank you, Nate. So this would be uh an approval for um continued letters of support for items 11, A, B, and C.

Okay. Well, I'll uh I'll make a motion that we uh send a letter of approval for the 8084 North Main Street, the Dery property, and 110 Chase Street, the Wyoming Mills, and 135 Alden Street, the Flint Mills.

I'll second that. Thank you, John. All right. So, I have a motion by Rick, seconded by John, uh, to approve letters of support for items 11, A, B, and C.

Uh, roll call. John, yes. Rick, Rick Mancini, yes. Joyce, Joyce Rodri, yes.

Ashley, yes. And Jason Buchard. And Iraqi, yes. Uh, Nate, I will have those continued letters over to you by by the end of the week. Awesome. Appreciate it all. My pleasure. Thank you. Thank you.

Have a good night. Thank you. you too.

Um, let's see. Item 12, um, we have 37 Park Street, um, the St. Catherine's Convent Dominican Academy, uh, request from First Bristol Court regarding continued letter of support, uh, for their historic tax credit application.

Um, and may I, um, just have you state your name and your affiliation, please?

Jeff Carum, First Bristol Corporation developer.

Hi, Jeff. Sorry, I couldn't see the uh your name on the the screen is a little small. Um Jeff, has there been any updates to the projects?

Um status quo, we're still kind of officially under the office uh pathway, but we've been um pursuing apartments there as well. Uh we're going through drawings and trying to figure out and tie in with the historic um a lot of different areas in there that don't want to be touched, but trying to make them into units. So that that's where we've been working on. All right. Um I was

curious because uh the the um since the hospital uh was merged with Lifespan or now Brown Brown University Health um and how that changed. So um and and what the status was with the apartments. So um when do you think you'll have plans done or more like um we've been working through some programming plans. We got some light plans to get, you know, between 70 and 90 units, but again, uh

we're just trying to go through now a little fine-tune it to what we can really actually build and um you know, fire code and whatnot. And gets very challenging on, you know, it made a little better of a layout for office and still hoping that, you know, Brown Health maybe comes around. Still think it's a great opportunity for them and the near term hopefully they they come around and decide they still need it. Uh

but from an apartment standpoint, we're just going through with some of the MEPs where they can penetrate. There's a lot of doors throughout the property, you know, from classrooms that how we make that work from a safe life safety standpoint and and keep the historic. So that's where we're working on through right now. Okay. All right. Um thank you. Um are there any questions for Jeff

regarding No. Okay. Right. Um so this uh so the this will be for continued letter of support for this project. So, um, for those that might not be aware, um, when we, so the process for the historic tax credit program, they do need to maintain, uh, almost like their queue in line for historic tax credits. So, they don't have this, they're not receiving any funding. Um, but um, yeah, until the

project is, uh, right, complete. All right. Well, I'll make a motion that we approve a letter for 37 Park Street for the St. Catherine's Convent Dominican Academy.

I'll second that. Thank you, Ashley. All right. So, I have a motion by Rick, seconded by Ashley to approve letter support for um item number 12. Uh roll call. John, yes. Rick, Rick Manceni, yes. Joyce, Joyce Rodri, yes. Ashley, yes. Yes. And Jason Buchard and Iraqi.

Yes. Uh Jeff, thank you very much and I will have that continued letter of support over to you by the end of the week. Great. Thank you everyone.

Appreciate the time. My pleasure. Thank you. Have a good weekend. You too.

Um item number 13A. Um we have um this is uh we have Elizabeth Warbertton um representing uh from public archaeological laboratory. Um, so Elizabeth was hired uh by the Fall River Preservation Society um regarding providing the surveys for the Highlands local historic district expansion. Um, Elizabeth, um, good evening. Um, if you can introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about Cal.

Hi, thanks for having me. Appreciate the introduction, Jason. Um, as Jason said, my name is Liz Werbertton. I am a senior architectural historian at the public archaeology laboratory commonly called PAL. Um we are one of the oldest and largest cultural resources management firms in the northeast and we have a team of archaeologists, architectural historians and preservation planners

that does both above ground and below ground documentation. Um so we know and love Fall River. We have completed um at least 80 by my count projects in Fall River over the years. Um and those include historic tax credit projects, um cultural resources and architectural surveys, archaeological investigations, national register nominations, you name it. Um so we are very excited to be the

consultant for the Highlands project and our scope of work will include the historical research on the development of um the neighborhood and individual properties. um preparing the updated MHC inventory forms that will include a technical building description and a historical overview of each um house or property um and then drafting the MHC preliminary study report um which will make recommendations for the LHD

expansion. So, we'll be working with the Preservation Society and supporting their efforts to expand the um local historic district. Um, and I wanted to just acknowledge my colleague Laura Klene um, from PAL who is unable to be here tonight but will be um, assisting me in managing this project. So, I'd be happy to answer any questions about PAL or the project. But, um, thanks for having us. We're very excited.

Thank you, Liz. Um, no, we're very excited about um, uh, getting this project. Um, this solid solidifies our our movement with with expanding the 40C and um, actually 2025 marks the 10th uh, anniversary of the creation of the city's first local historic district. Um and so while the initial historic district is modest with 40 well 48 properties um and uh there's several hundred more in the Highlands National

Register District um that are architecturally significant uh socially historically significant to the city. Um so this is this is excellent. Thank you.

Um, so I know that we will be working closely with the Preservation Society um, with regard to this project. Um, and so I know the next round of homeowner surveys will be um, they will be out in the mail beginning of next week. Um, there's a little delay in getting the language approved. Um, so once that is in the mail, um, and this will be a, um, Liz, just so you're aware, so the any

notifications for this project have to come from the historical commission, um, because ultimately we're the ones who will be, um, uh, finalizing or at least having, um, uh, presenting this to city council, uh, which I believe it it it needs, I think, 23 council vote. two.

Yes, two-thirds council vote. Um but um so the second round of surveys will be on a Google form. Um we did not have much success with the paper surveys that MH im MHC had uh recommended to us. Uh so we felt that if we did something with a QR code that would be a little bit more approachable. Um so it's a very basic letter with a QR code. It goes

right to the survey that was supplied to us from MHC uh with some links for any um to the design guidelines that we have published in Fall River to uh questions between the differences of a local historic district and a national registered district. Um so I can send a copy over over to you for uh so you can see what's being sent over. Um but we'll have um results pretty instant once they fill them out.

Yeah, that would be great. Um, and just also for the group's benefit, um, we are coordinating a kind of kickoff meeting, um, internally with Jason and Alex from the preservation society, I believe next week, um, just to sort of touch base about, um, where the survey stands, um, the interest that you've received so far, um, and to kind of get, um, you know, a list of properties at least in

mind before we start planning the fieldwork.

Thank you. Excellent. Any questions for Liz at all?

Not not at this point. No, I will say Ashley, do you have any questions for uh for Liz? Not right now. No, it's very exciting now. Yes. Yeah. Thank you.

We're available anytime, so just reach out if you have questions. Of course, we'll have many questions for you, Liz, once you get going on the project. I'm here for you. We'll be walking the streets with you. Yeah, that's good. I know. And hopefully we can get the surveys going fairly soon while the foliage is still fairly new. And uh because once the trees fill in, it's very hard to get photos of houses uh

from my own professional experience. Um but uh no, it's exciting because we have uh it's the Highlands is a very um as you're well aware, it's a very uh intact neighborhood in the city with um you know, excellent representation of styles and architects.

Yeah, we're very excited. Mhm.

Excellent. Um so with that said, um well, thank you and um if we have any questions, we'll be be sure to reach out to you. Um so thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Have a good week.

You too.

Um item 14, we have a request from the city of Fall River. Um this is a letter of support for CPA grant funds um for the Bank Street Armory. So, we did approve a letter that was going over to uh from the um preservation societ uh yeah no it was from this it was the city requesting funds uh grant funds from the Massachusetts preservation projects fund. Um, so this is the

um the match. Um, so the CPA grant funds are the only approved municipal or um government funds that can be used to match um grants from the state uh for preservation projects. Um so I did in your packet there is the project um the application for that. Um so they are requesting uh $27,500. Um that's the match. Um the total project cost is $55,000. This is to in support of a feasibility uh an

updated feasibility study and arch uh structural assessment to the property.

Um so this will be um I know the preservation society has already submitted their letter. Um and so this will be given over to the state as they are they are requiring it. Um, so there's no changes to the project. It's um this in the event and we don't I don't know what the status is with that potential um organization that was looking at acquiring the structure. Um

but um this is more or less a plan B um if that project uh fails. So yeah, it's a little backup. Yes. Yes. which we do need. Um because as of now I don't know and I meant to ask some of the consultants earlier um what their general feeling is with the nature of the historic tax credit program. Um because I I don't know how what that's especially come July what that's going to look like. Um

if there's going to be any structural changes to the National Park Service that would alter the historic tax credit program which would also alter the funding. The funding. Yep. So, um but if we can get this in that would be that would be well if they if this can go through with the state this can be u of a benefit. Um any questions regarding that? Um is this and I didn't put it in

the uh um the agenda since you're on the CPA. Is that um is this considered emergency funds? this will be considered I would I one one vote but my opinion is that this would be considered emergency okay I wasn't sure about that um okay um so this could if we get this letter of support out soon enough uh we've our meeting is on the 20 the 22nd of this month okay which is

what next Tuesday Tuesday so if we get that letter Monday is a holiday. Yep. Yeah. Mhm.

Well, we'll have to get it out tomorrow.

Yep. I will be busy. Y I will make a motion um to provide a letter of support um for the Bank Street Armory for the CPC grant application. Thank you. Good.

I'll second that. Thank you. I have a motion by Ashley, seconded by John uh for a letter of support uh for the CPA grant application for the Bankser Armory. Uh, roll call vote. John, yes.

Rick, Rick Manseni, yes. Joyce, Joyce Rogers, yes. Ashley, yes. And Jason Buchard, yes. All right. Thank you everyone.

Um, uh, under register of significant structures, I have no updates. Uh, under old business, any updates from Dr. Styles for Steve Brookke the Bes Reserve? There's been some information that's just been sent to us.

I have not gotten to open it up and read it. Okay. Okay. I've had it. Yep. So, no. Well, we'll wait word from you. Yep.

All right. But by the next meeting, we should have a lot of definitive information for you. Okay.

Thank you. Um because that I think they I submitted the extension over to Sandy.

Um uh so I requested I believe September of 2025 um because it's near completion. I think that's what I had sent over to her. Um so um because I think we were told July approximate. Okay. All right. Um so she has that. All right. Um is that it for 15 for the steep broke bio reserve update?

That's that's all you have so far? Yes.

Okay. Okay. for at least for tonight.

Exact. Exactly. Yes. Okay. Um again, the the forms are they're they're all we we have they have palace completed all of the steep brook forms and they pulled all the data and forms together for the bio reserve. So what has to happen now is they have to be reviewed.

So I'm going to look at the steep brook and Mike's going to be looking at the bio reserve. Uh and then we're going to get back to them with any questions or changes or anything. Okay. Given what we how we feel or what we think is going on with the forms. Okay. And that'll be just the culmination of the forms and presentation. Okay. Great. Thank you. Um item 16 uh AMB. So regarding the

Highlands Local Historic District expansion, um I did mention earlier so the forms are going out early next week.

um regarding an updated map that we can provide to Liz. Um I mean I'm sure she has the capabilities of doing something, but is there does any anyone have any like techsavviness that can assist with creating a updated map of properties that we we've received um surveys back from uh and what their feelings are on their level of support for the project.

That's not my an updated map. I need Give me more information. So, um, we have the GIS maps from the city's website with all the lot lines and, um, so I'm thinking we should have something where we have an idea where we have the most support um, and to represent that visually. Um because ultimately we will need to tighten the um especially when we send out the next round of surveys,

we need to tighten up the boundary lines a bit.

Um I think uh because the the target area that we sent the surveys out for uh what 149 surveys um not all 149 properties will be fully realized on the expanded district. Um, so if we have a visual that might help us to kind of bring in the boundary lines a bit. So something that can show um the properties where the people got back to us and are interested in participating.

I think so. Yes. Okay. So I could do that off of our existing GIS mapping and then kind of outline those properties.

Okay. Maybe even a a darker color or maybe a a color or something.

Yeah, I can you do it on one of my um projects I use for um construction like drawings and stuff. Okay. Um because we we have quite a few surveys back and the ones that we do have for the most part they're all pretty supportive. There's a few here and there um that are not. Um so and then we have some streets we just didn't receive anything back from. Um,

so that's what I'm I I think that would be helpful to us when we ultimately have when we work with um uh Liz to figure Elizabeth Warbertton anyways to figure out a more defined boundary area. Okay. Yeah. As long as we have um I can have access to those um addresses whether it's something easy where it's in a list fine. If I need to go through it, whatever. Um either way, as long as

I have access to that info, I can put that together. Sure. The the preservation society on the 24th, which is next Thursday, is going to be making a presentation. U and and actually Jason's going to be the keynote speaker.

But it would be nice if we had a table.

Yeah, it should it would be nice if we had a table there, the historic commission and if we had that all of the 40C new and existing and the new to show interested parties. So if if we had that presentation is that is it very difficult to pull that together? Um I don't think it will be.

So I I imagine I can turn it around in a week. Okay, I have um I have the mailing lists with the addresses and all the info there. So, I can what I can do is I can just put in um all the results from the survey uh right in there with each line and then I can color code it. You can see what we have. It's I mean the the list is long

but um I can make it um where it's easy to pull all the information out.

Okay. Okay. And if if we could get it maybe a day ahead of so so I could make some copies.

You're so needy.

The pressure is on. But yes, I can do that for you. Pressure is on. Um, how do you want cuz I can also print it for you if you wanted it on like a larger format. Mhm. I could do like an 18x4 or 24 by 36. Okay. For presentation purposes and then print smaller ones if you wanted to kind of Okay.

have it for others and that if if it's something that we can add to afterwards once we rece start receiving other surveys back and we can update those properties as we go along. Um yeah, I think that would be helpful. Yes. Okay.

Okay. Great. Thank you, Ashley. I will send you the list uh as soon as possible. Okay. Okay. Fantastic. Okay.

Um any other questions on that? Okay.

All right. So, with that said, um we are scheduled to meet next on hold one second.

Um Tuesday, May 20th. Um that is our next scheduled monthly meeting. Um so hopefully by then we will have some more information from uh homeowners in the Highlands in that target area. Um and yeah, we'll go from there. Um so with that said, may I get a motion to adjourn at 6:47?

I'll make a motion that we adjourn the meeting.

I'll second that. Thank you. Motion by Rick, second by Ashley to adjourn. Uh, recall. John. Yes. Rick. Rick Mancini.

Yes. Joyce.

Joyce.

Joyce. Joyce.

Joyce.

Yes. Thank you. And uh Ashley. Yes. And Jason Bushard. Iraqi. us. Thank you everyone. Okay.