4.28.2025 Community Preservation Committee

Uh welcome to the community preservation uh meeting being held at the city council hearing room one government center fall river. Uh it's Monday, April 28, 2025. It's 6:30.

Um pursuant to the open meeting law, any person who make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium.

Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible. Uh we'll start with roll call to my left. Michael Far is here. Chris Benovites here.

Alexander Silva here. Kristen Canara Oliver here. John Brand here. James Hornby here. Rick Mancini here. BJ McDonald here. And we're missing Joanne Bentley. And we also have Sandy Dennis, administrative assistance here. Uh, citizen input. We do have uh, Mr.

Jeffrey Source. It's actually pertaining to an extension. So, I'm not sure if we Oh, you don't have to sign in then.

You'll be called up when you're called in. All righty. Uh, first going to have a approval of the minutes from February 24th. Motion to approve. Second. Roll call. Michael Ferris. Yes. Chris Benvites. Yes. Alexander Silva. Yes.

Kristen Canter Oliver, yes. John Brandt, yes. James, yes. Rick Mancini, yes. BJ McDonald, yes. And then we also have a March 24th meeting that needs to be approved. Motion to approve.

Second. Roll call. Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Benvites, yes. Alex Silva, yes.

Chris Oliver, yes. John Brandt, yes.

James Hornsby, yes. Rick Mansi, yes. DJ McDonald yes.

All righty. Next on the agenda is extensions. Um, just since we don't have anyone on Zoom, do we have to do roll call? No. Right. Roll call vote. Oh, yeah. No, we don't have to. We have no one on Zoom, so we could probably just do normal votes. Did we do roll call?

Yeah, we were just doing it. Yeah, we don't really have to say our names actually because we're not on Zoom. I thought we did roll call though. No, for the votes. No, the votes. We don't have to say our names. We can just say yes.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

Um, all right. First on the extension uh we have the private side we have um form B's. Anybody here for form B's

is that a project? again. That's Oops. No, it was him and uh I mean uh Oh, it Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I'll I'll represent um um this project.

Uh Michael Boss here. Um the city's forester. I work out at 2929 Blossom Road. And this was the project. I'm going to call it the Al Lima legacy project because he passed away a couple years ago. But he had in mind um doing this project um not only identifying a lot of the houses in Steep Brook, but also um as many as 90 historic um sites out in the bio reserve, which was a

project that I really appreciated because we have loads of um uh you know, cemeteries, mill sites, uh found home foundations, mill foundations uh and the like. So, um, PL got the contract, but let me let me just say I'm working with Rick Mancini on the project and particularly his expertise in Steep Brook has been helpful. Um, so the project really is divided into the uh the Steep Brook uh historic homes and um

the bio reserve. So, PA is public archaeological labs. They have recently finished the first draft of all the all the work that they've been working on.

It comes with a locus map um which uh uh it identifies where the sites are and um each site is individually described GPS located photographs uh significance and the form B's. Um so right now we're reviewing that and the project will be completed I think in June and they've promised to uh be ready at the completion of the project to do a presentation to the committee. So that's where that stands. Okay.

Uh that you had a lot of this volunteer work coming in too, right? Yeah. So there there were sites that were familiar to us and so um we kind of like you know data dumped on on a on a big map of our own making and um assisted them in uh identifying which really helped uh to uh hasten their hasten their project. You might want to address the Roger Williams contribution that was

all volunteer contribution. Yeah. So, actually, we've had two different uh two different um uh um I guess uh projects with Roger Williams University uh and their historic preservation group. Uh they did one last year. Did I I can't recall if they did the presentation here or not. Did they They did one last year and the other one will be presented shortly. Perfect. It was to the historical commission though, the

presentation. Okay. Yeah, that's right.

Sure.

Um, so yeah, so things are things are getting close to wrapping up. Okay. On that project.

So an extension, one-year extension, you could be finished wrap this up. Um, if it if it ends in September, um, I I think it'll be wrapped up in September.

If you want if you want to be safe and and extend it, that's probably wise.

Yes. But I think you'll see the uh the final deliverables by de by September by June. Okay.

All right. I guess we really don't have to. Do Sorry, I don't see it. Do you know how much has been expended so far or it says it's like 80%? Um, do you have an Yeah, there was one invoice that took a while to pay and I'm trying to think if that was in the 30,000 range.

So, that would have been, you know, in the 50%. Uh, but I I I'm I'm not actually doing the bookkeeping on this, so I'm just I was just wondering. Thanks.

Okay.

Uh well, can I have a motion on that?

Stand to abstain. Okay.

Move it. Move it. Move. Move approval.

Okay. Second. I'll second the motion.

Okay. All in favor? I I We second that.

Okay.

Thank you, Mike. Next, we have U Forward Historical Society. the roof.

Uh May 15th this year, oh two uh two years. So it's Michael Martins's Fall River Historical Society and Caroline Aubin Fall River Historical Society. So, uh, finally we're we're getting at the point where we can progress on the exterior restoration on the building and on the roof project.

And so, we are requesting an extension through the end of the calendar year 2025. And as it stands, work is scheduled to commence on the project in June of this year.

So I did send um along with the letter that we sent to this this committee um an outline of the work that's been going on over the past year and a half to two years which has really been the most productive period in the 104 year history of the historical society actually has been extraordinary. So the HVAC project which was funded by a grant from a private foundation that was slightly over 1.4 4 million that came

out of New York. That project has finally been completed. And the reason we had to put this CPC project on hold was because of the number of penetrations that had to be made through the roof. It made no sense to commence this project and then have to put punctures through it. So that work is has is now done and we're ready to commence um next well two months in in June of 25.

Okay.

Uh does the board have any questions?

What's the time frame associated with uh the construction or re construction of the roof of of this project? So so it looks like they will be able to complete the first phase of it in 25. Mhm. So the reality of the situation now is that since the initial funds were awarded, things have deteriorated considerably.

Of course, costs have gone up considerably. Just the staging rental alone is extraordinary. So, we're now looking at a project that's coming in around $700,000. So, we're about $350,000 short. However, we can um take a phased approach to the project and and start now and get as much of it as we can get done with the funds that have been awarded and then go on from there. Okay.

So, they're they're confident that they can accomplish that in 2025.

Okay.

And will it will any work now um be detrimental in the sense of we've got a similar project for Christ the Rock Church um where they started the project knowing that it's a much bigger project but then two now that you know what's happening with tariffs and everything else the cost of materials are going up the labor is going up um there's going to there's definitely going to be a

short I would assume a short fall of funds based on what you have now which was granted. Yes. Um has any type of um proposal or um contract been looked at in the sense of what the additional costs are going to be? Well, we know the numbers currently. So the grant from the CPC was 38943. The total cost is now 752440. So it's a difference of 363,000.

Now, normally we would have other funding sources to go to for those funds because the most ideal scenario would be to accomplish the entire thing. Now, it would be the most economical stage the entire building and do it. But because of the 2.4 million that we've raised, I cannot go back to those funding sources.

Gotcha. So, we have to either try to selfund or fund locally. So, we can adopt a phase a phased approach to the project, use the the 383 that has been awarded and then go on from there. Okay.

But I expect that the difference of you know the the 363 will increase of course. So all right. Any other questions? So the um the extent be the end of the year, right? Yeah.

So um hi. Uh just uh kind of taking it back a little bit to the emergency application project for the HVAC system.

Um uh I think my understanding was that there would be some coverage for the units on the ground level. Do you I don't think it's up that like that any shrubbery or anything is so so that those units were not part of the emergency funding but actually part of the um are you talking about the units in the back on the back lot? Yeah, in the front on the corner the one that you

needed the electrical upgrade for going to be screened is going to be screened out but because they're going to have to stage the building. So you're waiting for that waiting until Right. It it just makes more sense to stage the building first, get that project finished. Okay.

Before Yeah. My understanding was that that was um you were planning on doing that that kind of coverage. Um we were planning on getting it done, but it it made no sense based on that makes sense.

Um regarding uh the extension request, I probably wouldn't do anything less than a year just to make it kind of consistent and to be safe. We typically do just um either one or two-year extensions. I think putting it to the end of the year would be nice if everything goes according to plan, but I think we should just do the year extension. Um in regards to the phased approach, um do you what do you what are

you planning on doing in phase one? Is it just making the building weather tight? Is it um FA phase one would would encompass removing all of the exterior crest railing? So all of the iron crest railing has to come off. So that would all be taken off the building. It would be restored and then stored until it can be reinstalled with be the complete restoration of the coupler, the fabrication of some of the

exterior shutters and the beginning process of the fabrication on the of the materials that necessary for the roof.

Okay. Um so not like any leaks or anything like you have water intrusion.

Fortunately there are fortunately there is not much water intrusion building.

So, so we're we're very fortunate in that respect.

Okay. Definitely some issues with the gutters, but fortunately there's there's such a a wide overhang and those sophets are so wide that they do not penetrate the building at all. So, Okay. Okay. Um, thank you. I uh I'm supportive of the extension. Um, and I might suggest in terms of like the phased approach, um, perhaps you consider submitting application for this upcoming upcoming

funding cycle and the timing might kind of work where you could flow in seamlessly and you can even maybe structure it where you don't have to double up on costs for like assemblage of scaffolding or anything like that.

Perhaps try to plan it like that to minimize costs as much as possible. Um, I appreciate like the upfrontness about the overages um and like you know the increases uh from the time delay, but I think all of your reasoning was logical. So, thank you.

All right. I I agree with the one-year extension. I I think that's I would second that. But one of the questions I don't think How about the mortar on the granite? Is that also been looked at? Is that It has It has been looked at. So, so the way this whole project started is we started with a um a study to determine what state the building was in and then everything was

prioritized as far as which projects had to be addressed first beginning with HBAC which was necessary for the preservation of the interior interiors of the building. And so we were able to address that and then next came the rewiring of the entire building. Of course, we had the the issue with the three-phase power, which fortunately this committee helped us rectify. So, we've been able to chip

away at that list and it's a prioritized list. So, um fortunately, the mortar in the exterior of the building is in extraordinary condition. What's so interesting about it is that when you look at the mortar, there are still areas where there's a wine a line of white lead evident. So originally that building between every mortar joint which is about 3/4 of an inch there was a heavy white line of

lead so that when the sun hit the granite it bounced off that white and must have looked incredible. So the plan of course is eventually when we get to the stone to have that restored. So it's amazing but so much of it is still intact actually. Good. Second.

So, can I have a motion for a one-year extension? Motion to approve. Second.

Roll call. I mean, everyone in favor?

I opposed. All right. Uh, let's see. Thank you, guys.

Thank you. Good luck with this summer.

Yes. Thank you. We're getting there.

Take care. Next we have uh project uh request first time extensions for the for Artists Association. We have one extension from FY23 for 283,140 and one for FY24 was 253,000 and we spent 8,500 so far. So where do we stand? Hi, I'm Dana Barnes. I'm the treasurer, director of finance, whatever, past president um of the Greater Fall River Art Association.

So, where we stand right now is we have completed the uh the granite, the uh mortar is complete. Um and that is all signed off on. We've been um the contractors been paid for for that.

We've also had the lead lines all taken out, so now we can drink the water.

Thank you, Jesus.

Um, and we have had, um, all of the drawings are now finally done. Um, one of the things that has been a challenge is, um, and I'm not going to lie, is to find a contractor capable of doing the job given that it's I have been told by multiple people that it is literally a nothing burger. I mean, half a million dollars worth of of work is nothing when there are very few people that will

quote this job. We did have one person quote the job and it was going to come in at almost $700,000. I said, "Well, thank you." No, but um we do have someone that um Mike Keen has referred us to. We've met with them. We met with them back in November. They happen to be the people working on the Isaac Fisk House page contracting up in Stoton. met with them in November and their plan is

to come and send a crew to us um when they're back down here in this area.

When we met with them in November, the thought was they would be here in um April. Um but they have not yet come back. Um we have been desperately trying to, you know, to find a plan B. Um but there are there are so few contractors who will even think about quoting this job. We have um diminished the scope of these of both of these jobs because we're never going to get get it to come

in on time on um on budget and you know we can't you know fund you know another 200 $300,000 to make to to come up with it with it. So between these two projects, what we have been able to get someone to quote Paige to quote on is the um porch, including the spindles and the columns because now they all have to be replaced. There was never going to be

an opportunity to um save any of these columns. That's just not feasible. And and I'll be perfectly honest, these are not exterior columns. There was no cement in the middle of any of these columns when these I don't know um when they first put the columns in if there was anything structural in there, but there was nothing. They're hollow.

They're they look like interior columns to me. I know nothing about that. Um so that's that would that combined with the lift because of the pricing we have triggered that um ADA compliance issue.

So the lift and then the interior bathroom that is all that is going to come out of both of these grants.

There's nothing else available because there were windows a there were windows that were supposed to be done and a back staircase. The price of everything has just rocketed out of control here and there's just not a way for us to do all of those things. But we need to do the necessary things. I am more than more than a little concerned about the front porch of that house. I am more than a

little concerned. So everybody knows my my concerns. Um Mike and um the uh general contractor are very well very aware of how concerned I am about this.

The columns are deteriorating pretty ugly and um so that was part of it. One thing that we have been able to do is secure um we've been in conversation with Aaron Tatrol who owns the the Princess Anne style or Queen Anne style house next to us. Um, one of the concerns was on the lift was to have a variance. Um, talked to the building inspectors here in the city. I've talked

to two of them and a variance is not needed. It's a right of way because the property lines are are so close together. It becomes a it becomes a right-of-way situation. He has a second egress to an existing apartment that the only way to get out of the building is to be on our property. Um, and part of um the when the property was surveyed, part of that property line is actually

um over close. I mean, it's literally at his um bay window on the on the front.

It's it's crazy. Um, come to find out they were best friends, Mr. Cole and Mr.

Sears. So, that's how come the houses are so close together. Mhm. So, um the goal is to um get a contractor and um Ron Gagnen and I are going to execute plan B and try to find somebody. If these guys don't come through soon, um we're going to we're just going to try to find somebody else. The hard part is there's lots of contractors and you go and you look for their licenses and I do

this due diligence all the time. Um and they don't have the right license. They don't have the one that they can pull a structural permit. There are very few people. There's lots of people running around with license numbers on their little vans and things, but I write these down, call, look at the state.

They're not they're not they can do home repairs, but they can't do the structural piece that I need to hold up the the building. So, and to and to put a structural lift in. So, we're working on it. Um, I am confident that we're going to find somebody. It's just going to be a matter of, you know, this terrible narrowing of the scope and but there's nothing that I there's nothing

we can even do about that. the scope has to be become more narrow than this nice broad scope that we had. We can do things to um seal windows and you know we we're king and queens of plastic and and um adhesive to make it as airtight as we can but there's not much right now that we can do to do that. So those are the big things that we're that we need

to have done and that porch has got to get done. It has got to get done.

My my only question is like when you came before us to to get the grant.

Yeah. It project should have been shovel ready to go and now we're two years in and we haven't done anything. I agree with that. We have done nothing but look for a contractor who was able to do this. And as I said, nobody wants to quote a job that small. That's the problem. I I can't tell you the number of people who said I I I I don't have enough I don't have enough people that I

can send to a c to a project like this um with with this little to be blunt with this little money. I mean, we've had to we've had to take away so much of this just to be able to to to come up with this. We were a little delayed in to be honest in getting um architectural drawings. It took a long time. took a lot longer than I think it ever should

have. But, you know, now that we've got them and then we had to, you know, because of the because of the pricing, we had to come with come with an ADA compliant um thing. I mean, that was not something that I ever would have thought about needing. But, you know, willing to do those things, too. It's just been to try to find a contractor has not been the easiest thing. And

and as I always say, if anybody knows one, I would I would love a name because there have I have called no less than 25 killing me. I've got a couple of questions. I'm in this uh industry as well and I understand the pains and trials and tribulations you're going through especially after co and then the the shipping uh debacle and now all of a sudden the tariffs and prices are going

up and labor is a very uh difficult one.

I I'm wondering if it would be advantageous if you approach this what you originally had and come up with an actual real budget and just say we're going to phase this. That way a contractor might look at it say it's a hypothetical $750,000 to do what you were originally talking about and you actually go through and just say we're going to do phase one, two, and three. It's I I understand where you're going. I I'm I'm

a neighbor. we know each other and it's tough to find anybody who's qualified to do this. And for the structural component of it too is that you might have to outsource that just to an engineer that could do u oversight and the contractor uh getting a licensed contractor that can install based on somebody else's input to this. So that that's just my like we've seen the same things. Projects that were

$250,000 two three years ago are not that anymore, right? And you have to come up with a realistic this is what it's going to cost. This is what people are going to bid on it. And if it's not a competitive bid, they can ask whatever they want, right? And it is what it is.

But you might want to do that, approach it, write it, and and if the number is a million dollars to do the project, you have to phase it in, right, of what's the priority, what's the most important thing that needs to get done for the structural integrity of say the porch or the the stairs or whatever it might be.

So that's just a thought process there.

One of the challenges for that porch is that where the where the lift has to go on the porch. Um it has to it has to be it has to raise off the side and literally become even with the front porch with the we're literally building like a step to get into the into the front door because that is the only way for anybody with a wheelchair to be

honest to get in that door. So, um, the thought process was, let's combine it all because we're working on the porch, we're working on the columns, we're doing all the things, and then instead of having a nice finished porch and then coming in with a lift and and having to do something with the porch with the decking for the porch to get some to get that to be even with the front door, it

was to do it all at the same time. Mhm.

Um I am more than, you know, happy to to put together numbers to just do the porch and see what happens with the with the ADA stuff, but the problem is because of the dollar that that's the thing that triggered this ADA compliance that we have to do. So I'm my concern is and I'm not I'm not an ADA lawyer or anything. My concern is that I do we do

this de we do the porch and it's at $250,000 and I think that's the threshold roughly.

Um the ADA piece of it is going to have to get done as well because I you know I can't do one without I was I I've been told I can't do one without the other.

It has to kind of go together because of the triggering of the dollar pieces.

Like I said, that's that's the advice I have been given, you know, by people who know more than I do. Yeah. I'm only giving you a to, you know, this is going back two and three years from now. It's not going to get better. Nope. And so maybe your numbers need to be regenerated or your or your proposal for this to say this is what it would cost to do it. This is

what's going to attract several bids and then perhaps phase it in. again, you're working on old numbers and it's not going to it's not going to all of a sudden magically uh meet your your objective in a year from now even if we give you an extension to this. So that's why we're trying to figure out what's a solution for you. Right. That would be what I would recommend to everybody

whether it's this or any other type of project. Okay. So do you think it'd be so as far as work getting done this year? We can probably say no. I don't know. I I I I've been in I'm going to be honest. I've been in contact with the people that I've needed to be in contact with and and I haven't gotten a response yet. I don't know what what's going on with that.

I we've relied on some outside contracting people. I mean, um the architect I I've been trying to get somebody to help with the numbers. What do I need to do here? What exactly am I looking at? Um I'm not an architect. Um, but I'm a numbers person and I can certainly agree that the, you know, looking at at numbers from two years ago and looking at where we're trying to go

now, I I I know that most of the other things that we had allocated on both of these grants are just not going to happen. And I'm hoping that I can get at least the deck done because that's a that's a real solid concern for me. It's the entrance to the building. Yeah. Um I mean that's the if I had to look at anything that needed to get done, that

deck has to get done. If there's a way to push the um uh lift off for the time being, I have no issue making that happen. But one of the things that was advised to me by the folks who are, you know, by Paige was combine them both together. It makes it more attractive because it's a bigger ticket um project. But, you know, this is the same folks that tell me that this

is like a this is like a nothing. You know, we're gonna we're going to send the the folks when they're when they're not busy on this other construction site over to do it. So, it'll take a week. I just have to get them there. And that's that's the hard part. I I I don't know how to get I don't I don't have um I don't have I don't have a way to do

that. I I don't have enough clout to tell somebody, look, I want this done yesterday. I It's just not that way. And you can't anyway.

So, do you think it would be beneficial to you to maybe withdraw these two grants, come in in September with more solid ready to information with somebody that's going to do the project when you get okayed than just to sit back and wonder what the costs are going to be and because we're sitting on the money.

So, I don't know cuz my biggest worry is that I go home tonight and there's a message from this guy saying, "Hey, we're going to start next week." You know, it's it's one of those I don't and and I'm I'm sorry I've I've come before this this this organiz this board here.

I don't have a handle as to when I'm supposed to get when this guy is supposed to get back to me. I'm feeling a little bit like I'm running a little blind because I've we've had to rely on other people to help us get these people in here. And some somehow I think there's a disconnect there. And I'm not sure what I would hate to withdraw this because

like I said, if if if he happens to be down here in the month of June, I I I could he could come and and be done and I could have a a deck anyway. I just I just don't know. I I I I can't I can't answer that. I don't know. Okay. What has been the communication cadence so far?

Um it's been a challenge to get um the right people in the right place doing the right jobs at the right time.

Um we had a contractor originally, but he wasn't licensed to do that kind of work. I mean, he came in and and was right on target with the project. was not licensed in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to do the job. I went and checked his license. I said, "Oh, God."

What about more specifically the person that you're referring to, the the the individual that you might get a phone call from? What has been the communication cadence there? We had we talked in no in November and he gave us a a quote for the deck, the the uh spindles, the columns, and the lift. And he was able to then gut the inside to put the handicapped accessible bathroom in. And that was going to come in within

the like half literally the half a million dollar roughly um dollar figure combined for both of those projects.

That was in November. And we said, "Okay." And he they said we would be they would be back here more than likely in April. I said, "Okay, great. Well, April has come and gone. I know that we have sent messages to him. We've had nothing nothing in return." So then we reached out to our architect because he was the one who sort of put us in contact here and I have I heard the

beginning of March um that it was it was still a go. Um but he didn't have any more information than that. So I'm I'm I'm I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to answer that question. That's the last communications I've had and I've I reached out again um last week. I have to go before the the CPC. What am I What am I doing? But I don't have anything. For the sake for the sake of

being annoying, I would I'd be calling him every day. I'd be emailing every single day. That That's just my advice.

Yeah. Yep. And and I did I wouldn't care two two ways if he found me annoying. In fact, I would I would apologetically say, "Well, I have to be because we're I'm in a tight spot." So, and I and I feel like I feel like I'm being I'm backed into a corner now and and I'm not sure how to fight my way out because I think I think that's your answer. You

got to you got to fight your way out of it. And so I I personally, again, I don't know what the right move is here, but just personally to you, I would just keep I would talk to the assistant, talk to the Yeah, you and I know you know.

Oh, I can I can be a pit a pitbull when I need to. You can ask BJ to sit at the other end here. That's right. But I will. And and and I I think that um I'll be honest, I've tried to play nice with the people that I need to play nice with, but I'm thinking I I I've I've lost my nice piece of me here, and that

bothers me a lot. I never want to I never want to be that crazy person calling every day. But I do have to I and I and I I recognize that. I recognize that today. I was hoping I'd have a phone call today because everybody knows, you know, we meet tonight. So, well, you can use it as leverage, you know. So, Dana, I I'm listening, you know, and I've I've

spoken with you and Bob and thanks, and we talk about the decking and the columns and the spindles, but how about the footing for that porch? Is that included in the contract? It is included in the contract. We've done a little bit of digging underneath it. I know it's been Frankenstein Franken um Stein together. There's lots of parts of that.

It's all included with that. And that was part of what they um we had dug a hole a a a taken out a piece of the deck and people crawled around and looked underneath it and checked out the footing of that and um it's part of what has to be replaced. Okay. But um and and we've even like gone instead of solid wood decking, we've gone to composite.

And that's that's been a helpful thing to try to get that price down because the $600,000 almost $700,000 quote was last year and it was all wood. And that was what was I mean that was, you know, part of what we were trying to can we do all wood? We can't do all wood. Can't do all wood anymore. Um because this and the and the spindles and the columns and

the and the decking and the footing and all of that. Um it's all it it's it's all part of what that deck is all about.

Um I just think that I know that we we have um approved a a quote to cover both of these. I just have to, I guess, be a lot more aggressive to get this person to either commit or not commit. And if he doesn't commit, then I write a letter to y'all saying, "Hey, look, this guy's not going to commit, you know. Um, I'll I'll withdraw the I'll withdraw my my request for

everything." And it it sh it bothers me more to do that because I am truly concerned about my deck. Yeah. Yeah. It is in rough shape. It's in tough shape, you know, and the and the and the floor the decking. I mean, to I I was just saying to Ron tonight before I came in here before I came in, I said, you know, if I didn't have to have a bloody permit, I'd

rip the damn thing out myself and put it down because I can certainly take I can certainly do that. Been there, done that. I I I mean, I can certainly do that. But it's the same thing. It's like I'm between a rock and a hard place trying to work around this. Yeah. So, you might want to have Mike just check the drawings and the proposal, make sure that it is complete because I would hate

to have you get half a job done and they come back and say, "Oh, well, we didn't Yeah.

assume correctly. I'll talk with Mike again. Make sure that that's correct so you don't get caught up especially with all these prices existly expanding. It's absolutely nuts.

It's and it's frustrating."

Alex. Hello. Hi, Alex. Hi. Um, so the line in your letter, we anticipate the contractor to be able to start in June 2025. That is no longer the case.

Correct. I don't know. That's the contractor you're waiting that I'm waiting to call for. I Which is why I pushed it out to then because when I was looking at this, I was thinking there's not a chance in the world he's going to be here in April. Okay. But, um, I would anticip I mean, if if he's going to show up, it'll be in June. And if he's not, then I'll know long before then that he

won't be. Um, so just a couple thoughts.

I am open to one final extension, although I do not have high hopes for it. As you said, you've been uh dwindling and dwindling the scope while the c costs have been increasing. Um, and then I think you said that the only pieces you're confident that could be done within the grants are the lift and the bathroom, which in my opinion are the least historic preservation aspects of all of your projects. So I'm not the

deck too. the deck, the exterior, the exterior deck and porch. That's the that right there is the um the historical aspect of that building and that's the piece done. I'm not even convinced that you don't you can't get a variance from the state to have to make these ch changes and um I think that you should definitely explore that cuz if you could eliminate um any aspects of that it

might help you with your costs. Um, but kind of what where my thoughts are, and you don't have to agree, um, is I think it might be more advantageous for you.

Um, like if you get the extension, you want to play out this contractor, fine.

All the power to you. Um, I don't necessarily have high hopes for the work. Uh, um, you could say the decorum, I guess, of the relationship. Um, but so I'm wondering if perhaps it might be better to take a step back, reassess, withdraw the grants, and then kind of come back to the committee with a a more powerful scope um and updated prices where you could actually get everything you want

um more more accurately than kind of scaling down and and hoping for the best. Um, I think, you know, if you have a more uh, like you said, a larger project all at once with all the like, you know, the exterior facade pieces and and stuff that you want, you could get a team together that includes a structural engineer, includes a cost estimator, you know, and then you could kind of come at

it with a larger project with the, you know, the good faith of the committee having just turned back over over half a million dollars in grant funds. um I I don't think that would be lost in the application, you know, the the value the dollar value of your of your application or anything like that if you are going for a larger scope. Um so that's just kind of my thoughts. I don't I don't

really have high hopes that you'll get much of of the original scope um accomplished at this point with the delays and the cost overruns and that that is troubling to me cuz we all wanted these projects, you know, completed. Everyone you us like, you know, everyone wanted these projects completed. So now it's just kind of about how we get there. most efficiently and effectively and quickly. So I kind

of am trending in the opposite direction of you I think in terms of scaling down further. I think you might want to take a step back holistically combine and present a larger project that's more appealing to contractors. Okay. I have a question day now also on uh how many handicap clients do you have to serve or do you serve in the course of a year?

One. One. But because it, and this is the thing, because the triggering event for an ADA uh requirement was the fact that we had $260,000 or something in the first grant. That was the trigger that we had to have this ADA compliant bathroom um and a lift. And to the only place to put a lift was off the side of the of the porch to cuz their only door that's big

enough is for that. And that was why the person that's doing the um Isaac Fisk House um came in and said that they would do it provided it was the porch and the lift and that's the only reason they would do it. Um and the and the bathroom. Just point of information, they're not doing the Isaac Fisk House also. Who's Paige? Page contract. I don't know really. Yeah, we have no Mason projects and there's also it's

accommodations. So, it it there I'm not going to get into ADA or things of that nature, but the ADA states that you have accommodations. Yeah. So, that's the variance I think you might be open for.

Um, in which case, exactly. it would preserve the the historic facade more so than adding a lift for you know I guess my question would be I mean because I've gone over and over of all this because I've asked those same questions I I I can't put a ramp I can't do it this and I mean there people have you know Mike and his and his people and there was somebody um came in

with an ADA compliance um they did the ADA compliance study on this um I had to put a lift and I had to make accommodation for a for a bathroom. I I wasn't even given a shot at I mean I've got three steps to walk up the door.

There's no other way for someone who's coming with a wheelchair to be able to get in the building. But I don't have that many people anyway. I I don't and I and I've said this all along. People would come in if I have a person one person every year coming in in a wheelchair or if I had three or four people coming in with with crutches.

That's that's the extent of what what we have. The thought process was that, you know, if you are ADA compliant, would that encourage more people to come into the building? I I I got no I've got no way to know that. I I don't know. Could it be? Maybe. Um I don't know. Yeah. No, I'm not an attorney and as a board member, we cannot give you advice in the construction world, but I would

definitely look into meeting the requirements as long as you have an alternative method and you can meet the requirements. Okay, do your own investigation. Okay. Yeah, that might be why it might be best to take a step back and look because CPC on a whole does support ADA compliance because it's it's a federal regulation. So, uh you know, if you did take the time, get it rebided out and we do have do

earlier process this year because we did our final voting in March. So, if you get bids and stuff and you do get approved, you'd be ready to start in June. So, you wouldn't have to wait. But now, we don't know what's going to happen, right? I don't I I can't. And it would look better in your favor by, you know, turn it back in. And and honestly, I would personally be a little worried

about if they started when and where they will stop at that point. you know, like they might stop work when it's not complete and like you said, go to another job site and then you might be in a different situation entirely. So, that's another concern I might have.

Okay.

What's the board's wish? I just had one comment. Okay.

Um I'm also u the at St. Episcopal Church. We have some cement and mortar. Been through nothing like yours.

But um one piece be sure to keep at least if on the contacts. Be sure to I'm sure they're on on file in a phone or on a computer, but try to keep hard copy as well. I do. Okay, because my CPC file is the biggest file I have in the art association. Get rid of one essentially of one guy before who wouldn't do the work.

Okay. Okay, that's I have been to the association building a number of times. I appreciate what the association does.

Thank you.

Reasonable accommodations. Bear that in mind.

Well, we're not running on attorneys on that matter.

What's the board's recommendation for this?

I need to abstain on this one. Okay.

Do we wish to grant a one-year extension or uh Dana honestly to like to yourself how confident are you in this contractor that you're waiting for? Cuz I mean I would pin it all on your hopes on this person like and if you even want to work with them at this point which you don't have to answer obviously right now. I can I can absolutely answer. Um

as I said, if if um if I can get them here in June, they have they they've given me the scope of work that they're willing to do. And literally, it's the deck, the underpinning, okay, the lift and the bathroom. If they come in June, I'm I'm all happy with that. If they don't, then I'm I'm I'm more than willing to, like I said, to withdraw this. But my great concern is I've

waited this bloody long for these guys.

But I'm going to be a pitbull to try to find out what what the status is. And I may know like by before the end of the week what's going on here. Because if I go and start yelling and screaming, they may say, "No, we're not doing it." And I'm and then I'll walk away from all of that. And you know, we'll regroup and figure out what we need to do next. I

mean, we did get, like I said, I appreciate that we got the foundation done. It looks beautiful. I appreciate that we got the lead lines finished. And I appreciate that we've got a set of drawings and some structural work, you know. So, I know that there's lots of things that we've already um been um taken into account here, and I appreciate that, especially on an old building like this. And if I recall

correctly, in one of your previous applications, it was like some water infiltration at the higher elevations.

Has any of that been addressed yet or is that already cut? It's not it's it's really it's and it's not inside. Okay. cuz I I am concerned as well that the scope has been adjusted and the committee doesn't know the final scope that would be, you know, paid out to. So, I'm kind of leaning towards withdrawing and then having you reapply this next funding cycle. I mean, you're kind of already

have a leg up on the process. You have the architectural drawings, the lead pipes have been restored, so you can kind of come at it from a different perspective. Um, but I'll leave it up to the committee. That's just my final thought.

Just to maybe repeat it back as well, just so I understand it clearly, you mentioned being comfortable withdrawing if this individual, the contractor, essentially is kind of a let's call it a no-show come June. So, in other words, if we vote to not extend based on this information, you you know, you you'll restart the process in in that case. And and honestly, to Alex's point, like

you're going to be in a better spot come maybe the next funding round with better numbers.

Um, so I mean it kind it kind of sounds like we're we're just going to play it out for the rest of the next couple of months to see what's going to happen with this contractor anyways. Am I getting that right? Yeah. I I I I want to I my thought was I and and I'm honest about this. I just want to see if this guy really will show up and do what he

said he was going to do. Um he's a very wellrespected um contractor. I I I did a lot of research on this guy. Okay. Um, and I I would I would be shocked if he um did a no call no-show. I would really be surprised. I And if he didn't do that, you'd be in a good spot.

Absolutely. Yeah. And if he and if he did do that, I just like I said, I would withdraw the funding and and start the process all over how I thought I could.

I think we have our answer. So I know I said we usually only do a year like year extension but maybe perhaps this case we do like a quarter of a year four month extension bring us to August and then if this contractor has not started reach out to you we know the answer and you can you can you know the answer cuz I think committee you know before even my

time has been pretty uh generous with its extensions and there has to be a point where the numbers are just it just they aren't the numbers anymore you know so and I agree I agree 200% I I I Okay.

So, I'll make a motion for a fourmonth extension then. Um and then and then um please can you just provide an updated scope to the committee? Either way, thank you. I will do that. I second.

After it's seconded, I have a question.

Okay. All in favor? Well, he has a question. He has a question. After the motion is made, what are the dates here?

We talk about a four month. I wanted to to I'm just I want Well, we go from uh to have enough time to do exactly what you just said. I just want to check the dates. April 28th to September. So, we do September 2nd because that would be the that you wanted to get in for their I would just do four August 28th. Four months. Okay.

August 28th. If it's a Saturday, it's a Saturday. Okay. And she could come back and if things were tight and close, couldn't come back again and reapply.

Yeah, we want to give her time to get an application in. Fine. Yeah, but please do give that scope because it might impact the board's decision, you know, either either way. I think I will do that. I will do that. Fine. Call the question. Okay. All in favor of the four months? Yes. I I measurement passes. Thanks. Appreciate it very much. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. I'll be in touch. Uh next we have

the Antioch school.

Yeah.

Hi, my name is Diane Career. I'm the vice principal at the Antioch School. Um, so I'd say we're about 80% done.

Closer to you. Is it okay? Can you hear me now? Sorry.

Um, if you're standing in front of the building to the left, the dormers at that point, it started raining, the machine kept getting stuck in the mud on the side. We had some machine problems, too, so he couldn't finish the dormers on the left of the building. Um, the right is all set, the back is all set.

Um, the front doorway, the windows need to be cked and the wood has to be replaced. So, he hasn't done that either. And there's uh two windows on the side on the left that haven't been uh replaced yet. So, he told me he was supposed to come during this um our vacation week, but he wasn't able to because of the rain. So, he's telling me he's going to be here for May. And I

told him, you know, our cut off is June 1st. I need you here. Um, so for the fiscal 23, we have $22,000 left that hasn't been allocated to the contractor yet. And then we have that fiscal 25 uh which I think was 55 uh 57,000 left.

Sorry. How much did you say for uh FY23?

Uh we've used up 212,500.

Okay. So, we have 22,378 left for fiscal 23. And then for fiscal 25, we have 57,000 left um to finish off cuz that was the second fiscal 25 was because the rates are so high on the shingles and all that that we asked for an ext.

Well, you've been doing a nice job. It looks Oh, it's beautiful. We've had people actually stop and say, "Oh, it's M." And we've had so many people ask who the contractor was cuz everyone's looking for a contractor at this point.

Um, but he really did a phenomenal job.

Like it just our parents were like, "Wow." We should wrap it up probably in the next month or so, right? Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. That's what we're hoping by June 1st. Um, and then our goal would be hitting up again. Um, we want to do that whole portico um to kind of get it back to where it was. So, sounds good. Fingers crossed.

Um, I don't have any questions as the board. So, I do I just want to make clarification that her FY25 project isn't up for an extension still. It's just the 23. 23. Mhm. And did the invoice did we get the invoices? I I'm not showing on my report any invoices.

So, I need to connect with you. Yeah, we just had zero spent for that project.

So, that's probably where most of our questions last one we just received um the end of March was for like 24,000 um that was for I think the gutters replacing the gutters um which look really nice.

But no questions. Uh what's the board's I'm I I make a motion for a one-year extension just to make sure it should be done by then. I'll second that. I go by there on a daily basis watching them.

Yep. Uh all in favor I I thank you so much. It's looking good.

Keep it up. And I just have to recuse myself for the next one.

Dr. Fisk House. Um you Oh, you're here.

Hi everyone. My name is James Soua. I'm the vice president of the Preservation Society of Fall River. I'm here to ask for an extension of the FY24 CPA grant awarded to us for um extensive uh historic preservation of the windows of the west and the east side of the house. Um the last year for us has been extremely challenging.

um our president Jim Soul who um was the project manager of this he passed away last August of cancer and um so it's been a little challenging for us regrouping. We finally did and we um were trying to get back on track with the projects we have. Uh we contacted the contractor that we had were planning to work with several time. They've never contacted us back. So essentially they abandoned us. We looked for other

contractors. We wanted um someone who had good experience in historic window preservation. We found a company out of Warren Rhode Island, Scott Mat Scott's Doors and Windows and they were willing to do the project. tragedy again her passed and he passed away. So his business partner um Allison Ayes agreed to complete this project. She came to us last December, toured the building and said she would

complete the project and there's an attached um uh document of the cost of it. So um again I'm here to ask for an extension. She thinks we'll be able to start this in June of 2025. So, I'm just asking for an extension on this project.

I have no problem with that. What does board have any questions? Uh, I guess my only question is on the in the packet it says 35,000 and then on our sheet says 79,000. So, right. Whatever whatever is not you I mean that's the quote she gave and whatever is not used it will just go back I mean to fair everything else has been going the other way. So, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Can you get out of the project?

So, does this board want to make a motion? Motion to approve. Second.

Second. All in favor? I. Thank you.

Thank you. Good to see you. Thank you.

Thank you. All righty. Next up, uh Tupper Rowing Club.

There we go. All right. Good evening everyone. How are we doing? Good.

So, uh my name is Paul Cludier, uh board chair, uh Jeffrey Sor, our director of rowing. Um we applied for a grant uh back in 2023 um for a um uh sixlane 200 meter racecourse uh along with some equipment to enable uh riatas uh to happen on the pond. Equipment basically being docks um which allow the um starting and finish lines to to happen so to speak. Um we do have some pictures

if you want me to give you a few pictures of the course. The course has been purchased. Um, it was put out in um, when was it originally put out? It's been in phases. Um, there's literally one installer in the country that does this. Um, talking on the microphone.

Sure. Certainly. Um, so it's been put out in phases because there's one installer and he goes around and the rowing season is really short. It basically is from March until June um, for the type of rowing that these courses facilitate. And uh so we started in October 2023 with laying the infrastructure that sits out there and then he came back this past year in March. Um and uh no, my apologies. It

was in October 2024. What year are we in now? Where we installed the infrastructure that lays in the pond to enable us to float the buoys for the race course. Then he came back this year, we installed the buoys um and we have been ready to host and had two riatas planned. Um, but it's just a phased process. You can't do everything at once because it's literally one dude

who goes out there with a boat and uh it takes a little while to get everything out there. All right. So, but ultimately our um so the pictures that are being sent out right now, it's it's a little um difficult to I guess comprehend without really seeing it, but ultimately these buoys are a little bit bigger than a softball and um they are 2,000 on a cable 2,000 m long and there's there's

six lanes and those um buoys are straight as an arrow and if you see it when you're on the water is is quite impressive and I wish it would translate into um a picture but it doesn't do it justice. Um, but I will tell you what is up and it is fantastic. It's been used multiple times. Um, we unfortunately due to weather uh in the last two weekends have had two riatas canled because of

weather, but for safety reasons it's the right thing to do. So, we've had to do that. Um but we've got a few more coming up in the season and then unfortunately we have to take it down for the voting season to be good neighbors before um you know Memorial Day weekend shows up and then we're going to get a lot of hate mail but we don't have it taken in

by then. So um go ahead. I was just going to add the reason for the extension is because as we mentioned we have to do it in a phased approach and so we haven't expended all of the money on the materials because it doesn't make sense for us to have them and just sit there when we can't install them all.

And so there are still additional needs that we have, including expanding our docks to be able to get more boats out on the water quickly. Um, you know, it's different when you're hosting our trying to get literally a couple hundred boats on the water in a very short period of time. We need much different infrastructure than what we need on a regular basis just to run our club. And

so we have a system which is modular and so we can expand it and then pull it back in. But again, with the limited manpower and and labor that we're able to to get to do this, you know, it it doesn't make sense for me to have 80 sections of dock sitting around in the woods that are not going to get used.

So, that's likely what a lot of the remaining budget would go to is increasing our dock capacity and also making sure that our docks are accessible because we do offer adaptive rowing at our facility. And so we um there are certain modifications and adapted uh uh equipment that we need to make sure that people can get to our docks. So it's going to be things like that. Um but again, we can't just we

just can't do it all at once. Yeah. All right. I I have no problem with the extension. Now, as far as uh when we uh did the grant, you uh had free for kids and stuff. Have you had any What's the involvement been in that? Is there Our programs are 100% free. We've Yeah, our year round's 100% free. We currently have about 26 kids in our year- round program. We have over 30 scheduled for

our summer program. We're partnering with three schools and potentially a fourth school this year from the Fall River Public School uh district who will we we partner with an organization called STEM to Stern, which is a national organization which facilitates STEM and rowing education. Um and so they work with the federal 21st century program um which provides outside of school hours um enrichment programs for

kids throughout both the school year but also then in in in non school calendar you know times. Um and uh so we'll work with that again this year to bring kids they bus kids over to us three days a week and then one day we go over to Derby High School and we do swim lessons and STEM lessons. Um and so yeah it's we're we we'll probably have we're hoping to have free kids. I just wanted

to ask that cuz everyone's always saying there's not not a lot of things for the kiddos. If you can get them to me, I will get them online. Here, you got something kids out there and get them down there. Good sport. So, the leans, how does that work? Once they're down for the year, they're down and then they put them back up in March. So, so what really happens there's a there's a um an

infrastructure that sits on the bottom of the pond and that infrastructure um that cabling system. We connect another cable to it and each one of those cables then has a basically a 3 m um attached cable with a buoy sitting on it. So, picture a structure that sits on the ground and then another structure that sits about 3 ft below the water with lanes that go all up and down it. And

each the buoys are what supports it. So, as soon as we take the lanes down with those buoys, the outside infrastructure sinks to the bottom of the pond. And then in the spring, well, not really the spring, it's March and really cold and not very nice out. Jeff goes out there and throws a line out like he's fishing, catches the cable and starts the process of laying the course again. And in terms

of the infrastructure, it's like an eighth inch, not even cable. Pardon?

Could you move your mic? Pardon? It's just a It's just a cable. So, it's just one little cable along the outside perimeter that is in there. So, we say infrastructure, but it's not like there's no structure. There's nothing fixed at the bottom. It's wire. Okay.

The board have any other questions or want to make a motion? I do. All right.

Um, I live on South Pond. Oh, your course is goes right by. I can tell the committee that it's there. It's beautiful. It works. I've even seen I've even seen a race and it was thoroughly exciting. We have one scheduled uh this weekend as well and then another one on May 17. That was one of my suggestions was somehow Oh, it would be nice to know when these things are happening.

So, we send out press releases and we post on Facebook and other stuff. How to do it, but I'm just saying that I'm trying to deal with the neighbor problem here. Um, I have no no trouble uh getting my boat out since it's a 15 ft canoe.

Um, but I understand that there have been some complaints and I I'm also the one of the two committee people that are charged with trying to follow up with you and and see how you're doing. And I haven't that's one of the reasons I've been. So, how would how would I best contact people? I mean, I'm happy to give you my phone number.

That's what I'd like. Okay. I I'll I'll write it down for you and I'll pass it to you after this. Okay. And um um other than that, I think um and how did you I had the same question about the kids that you had, John. Mhm.

Um who did you contact at Dery? Uh so we were previously working with um the former principal Matt Dearis. Um, and now we go through the athletics department. Um, and then also through the school board, uh, not the school board, apologies. The, uh, school administration, the department of, um, his name's, uh, Derek Fious, who I think administers the 21st century program.

So, yeah, just somebody in the administration, right? It seems to me the athletic director would be the would be quite logical and need that support from just having been on the school committee. Yeah.

They Yeah. We've we've done presentations. We've brought our boats over. I've I throw our singles on the top of my car and I'll drive over and we do demonstrations. We got a trailer a few years ago that allows us to put the rowing machines in the back of it. So, we go and do like gym class takeovers, we call them. So, we're out there as much as we can. The big thing for us is

transportation. you know, the schools won't help us with busing kids or getting kids to us unless it's a specific school program. Um, and so, you know, there's challenges, but we're working. And I I I think it's been extraordinarily windy.

Um, the committee should know that it's been just too windy to Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Anything over 10 miles an hour, we consider canceling our regatas. We haven't been canoeing yet. Yeah. It's been It's not been fun. I'm sure some folks saw some news a couple of weeks ago but So, what's the board's Are you looking for a one-year extension?

Is that sufficient? That's sufficient. I just have a a couple of questions. Um, regarding the infrastructure at the bottom of the pond, does that uh cabling recoil or like wind up or anything or it just sits loose at the It's not loose.

It's it's tension, right? So there's an anchoring system with which is cinder blocks at each corner. And so it retains its tension throughout the year. And then there's also a ratcheting system that's attached to some ropes. And so you kind of retention it, it sits down, you throw the line, you pull it up, you loosen those ratchets to give it the slack to allow it to be raised up closer

towards the surface. And it's still you can navigate through it completely. It's much deeper than any boat or any outboard would would hit. So you can wave right through the course, but it will float back up closer to the surface. And then you have a lead which holds each individual buoy which hooks up to that line. Okay. So, and and no issues uh regarding that with other stakeholders like fire department uh

like underwater rescues or any of the universities that do like undersea uh you know we had to communicate with um D. Okay. I just want to make sure. Yeah.

Um and then regarding the remaining funds and the docks you plan on purchasing them I believe and just correct me if I'm wrong that that was part of the initial scope of your grant, right? And and is it you're still planning on purchasing the same amount of docks or is there any I just cuz technically you're only supposed to go for the ones that you were approved for.

So I just wanted to make sure you knew that. Um if you tried to buy like an extra dock if you had like the money for it or anything. So So the the the docking the docking system itself um you know you could spend 50 grand or 250 grand on the docks. So it's a matter of the configuration of the docks that we want. Um, but as far to answer your

question, the money that we plan on spending is utilizing from the same do literally the same dock company. We haven't changed gears because they're certain types of docks that you can purchase that are designed for this type of Mhm. Um, sport. The other thing I'd add is is again it's a modular system.

So, we buy puzzle pieces. So it's not, you know, when you say one dock, it's really segments that are 80 by 120 in and you just slot them together and they literally just stack into one another.

Um, and so the challenge that we're starting to face is, as we were talking about earlier, um, we're right next to the Suckerbrook Inlet and that's silting up our area and so we need to consistently go out deeper um, because we need, you know, about at least 6 in of clearance for the SKGs on our boats and we're running out of that quickly.

So, we've needed to start sending our docks farther and farther out to allow boats to launch and be able to row out without damaging, you know, their holland and the the hardware. Um, so that's kind of what we're assessing is also um do we put them to the left, do we put them to the right, where's the silt coming in from, and all that kind of stuff that we're we're facing. Yeah.

Okay. Um, and you haven't had your first rigi yet because of the weather. Is that correct? Yeah, we had to cancel the one on uh the 7 19th, April 19th. It'll be it'll be fun um to see, you know, the community's reaction to it. I know a lot of people are excited about this. I would just recommend, you know, reaching out to local media and make sure it's a thing. We're going to live stream it by

drones. And don't forget to thank the CPA for the grant. Yes, of course. Of course. Thanks. That's it. Thanks. So, I'd make a motion to approve a one-year extension. I'll second.

Everyone in favor? I oppose. Passes. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Appreciate it. Have a good summer.

Uh let's see. Next, we have uh the water department. Hey, he's gonna get

uh we have uh the historic water department documents first. You want to Yeah. So, thank you very much.

originally, excuse me, my allergies have been uh killing me the past couple of days, but same.

Thank you. Uh so, uh this project uh was originally developed to take and be able to uh document and categorize a lot of our historic water department documents.

Uh we've been working through Mike's been uh building a catalog of those documents. Um, as with a lot of the projects with us, uh, you know, we've gone through some, uh, pretty, uh, substantial staff turnovers within, uh, community utilities, uh, which have delayed some of the projects that we've been working on. Uh, but this is still one that's near and dear to us to try to get all these, uh, historic documents

that date back to the, uh, late 1800s, some of the oldest records of property ownership, uh, and documentation within the city of Fall River.

um to uh get those to be able to be historically um and uh you know digitally uh transferred so that we have them for uh for the future. I don't know if you have anything to add. You know, if a one-year extension was granted uh for this project, we feel that we'd be able to uh complete that within that extension timeline. again pulling together some of these documents. There was a lot of different places whether it

be uh you know uh the old water maintenance building uh that we had.

Some of them came from there uh Mike's uh property up on Blossom Road documents that we have here at city hall within the vault uh at the water department and also in the basement. So just kind of gathering all those figuring out what we felt was the most valuable to be able to do uh was was uh has kind of been the target of this project so far. So feasible you could finish this by the

end of summer prefer a year extension. Okay.

So what's the status currently like percentage- wise? How far along are you or like what what phase like you've collected all the documents you just need to scan them or I'm just curious like Yeah. So, I'm I'm going to say we're almost done collating. Um we have waterboard record, reservoir committee commission records. Um there's maps, property um property maps, um photographs. Um and and interestingly,

uh we had the um the waterworks tour on Saturday and um second one we've done in in a couple years. And so, um, every time we do something like that, that gets us more excited obviously because people are seeing the, uh, you know, we'll we'll bring out a couple of the the old, uh, documents or the maps or whatever. There's a lot of lot of, uh, a lot of interest in that. So um I think

so we did u meet with the um uh Felicia from the from the library uh Felicia Dearis who gave me some good sort of intel on what to do in terms of u and I think there'll be a process of trying to just develop what do we what can we copy make a make a duplicate that we can actually have to look look through uh versus what are we going to digitize um

and then how we're going to store it um so that has not been you know implement mented yet, but that's the what we're working through right now. Okay. And I would suggest if you need to ask like another advice, second opinion, Farmer Historical Society has a lot of experience doing similar similar projects. So if you're looking for resource, the planning department did it too when they did the uh sandborn maps.

Oh yeah. Yeah. The sandborn map project was the other one.

Yeah. So George Garcia from uh my who's now with my department he was with engineering with the sand maps work on so and working with Mike as well pulling some of the stuff together. I just one question. So how many people are working on this project in the in the department? Well actually so in the department together on the I would say two right now. Um and some volunteer help. Oh good. Yeah. Okay. Any

other questions or motion from the board? I'll make I'll make a motion to extend for one year. I'll second. Um favor. I oppose. Okay, that one's done.

Thank you. Thank you.

Uh a couple more on here. Yeah. Well, is it them? I don't think you're not candidate over, right? But I can I make a motion to take them out of order?

Yeah. Because what what I did was the ones that have already had an extension.

Those are the top the bottom ones are your first time asking for an extension.

So, but instead of making them get up and down. So, I'm going to make a motion to take them out of order and we'll move right to the Barnabas Blossom and then No, use them the one list. This one here. Use We'll use Waterwork Pump House cuz it's the list of the Right. Okay.

All right. Cuz it's all of theirs right here. Okay. So, we will Okay. So, I make a motion first to go to move toward work pump house. Second. All in favor? I I Okay.

All right. So, thank you very much. Uh I know this uh project didn't make it in the agenda, but it was on the letter that we provided to the committee. Uh this project is one that is definitely near and dear to our hearts. Uh, as you all know, the 1873 pump station down at the bottom uh of Bedford Street, which as Mike mentioned, we did have uh the open house of that facility, the tower,

and uh our other uh waterworks facilities uh near that property uh this past weekend. Uh that's a project that uh we definitely want to move forward with, but given this time where we are right now, given how old this project has been uh out there for, uh we felt that the best thing was to be able to give that money back to CPC, allow you guys to use it for projects. When we're

ready to move forward, when we have the internal capacity to uh to progress that project, we'll come back to the committee to be able to move forward with that project. Okay. So all we need on that is for you to send Sandy a letter withdrawing project. Okay. So that one they provided me with that information. Okay.

Um we don't need So the only projects they're asking for an extension on now are the Barnabas Blossom workshop water land acquisition the bio reserve project one and the bio reserve bond. Those are the only four you're asking for. And the seaw walls. And the door on top of seaw walls and the seaw walls. Oh, the sea walls. Okay. Yep. And the seaw wall. Y So you withdraw the uh copout, right?

No, that was the uh waterworks water.

The pump house received the letter from them. Okay. So that's project one on this letter, the waterwork pump house, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We're just working off a couple different lists.

And did you That's 100,000. That'll go back to the committee you said. Okay.

Yes. Okay. Right.

Next, I'll take a motion I'll make a motion to take out of order um it's listed as promised land parcels acquisition FY21, but I think it's on is this bio reserve bond or bio reserve project one? Believe it's bio reserve project one.

If it says promised land, um that's not fire reserve project one. I I don't um are you working off the um the letter are there things on the letter that aren't on the agenda then? Yeah, they're different. That's what I got.

I'm like that's the bond. So if you're looking at your agenda, it's on there.

Okay. So it's just it should just be 78,000 that they're looking for. All right. Right. Right. Oh, so project one and bond are the same thing. Okay. Yeah.

And and to be a point of information, um we're not looking for anything because that project's completed. So that's just part of that 10-year bond. It just kind of shows up as a kind of matter of record.

So the only way you need to award an extension would be the Barnabas Blossom Workshop, the Copa Cup Water Land Acquisition, and the Waton Sea Wall.

Okay.

Okay, we'll start with the line. You don't have to take any action on that bump. So, we didn't we didn't talk about the promised land.

Um, did we ask for an extension of it?

Yeah. So, yes, I thought we did. Yeah.

So, I think the promised land we also did ask for an extension on as well.

Okay. Yeah, that's not on project.

Correct. That's not on this. That's not on this. That's So, I think we just need letter. Oh, okay. No wonder I can't. And so so the idea of the extension so actually well we need to put it on the agenda. I don't think we can talk about it until it's on the agenda. That's why I was trying to figure this out with the multiple names. Okay. Um next meeting I guess with this too.

We've been back and forth with this on what projects require.

Okay. So so many. So number three. So the promised lands parcel acquisition FY21 survey and conservation restrictions need to be completed. I mean, you were asking. So, okay. Okay.

So, we So, I'll make a motion to move that to the next meeting. Put that on the agenda. There's no motion. It's not.

They just It's not on the agenda. Put it on the letter. Okay. Sorry about that.

We'll All right. So, we're at the Barnabas Blossom. I'll make a motion to take out of order the Baron Barnabas Blossom Workshop Restoration Project.

Okay. All those in favor? I I Okay, that one's gone. The Copa Cut Waterland Acquisition. No, we need to That was just taking it out of order. I thought we made a motion to Okay, get me confused here now. Uh, all righty. So, just Yeah. So, Barber's Blossom. Um, we actually uh contracted with a with a New Bedford uh uh architect uh company to do two uh well we we presented two projects and we got

uh you know quotes to do both projects.

Uh one was the Barnabas Blossom Workshop which has been um you know u hanging there for a little bit and then the other was Aderondac Farm which has nothing to do with the CPC in terms of the the building project. um CPC actually funded the conservation uh the the conservation land but the house is a separate matter um in the priority of how we wanted to proceed we wanted to do aderondac farm

first so t the the company's name is T2 they are currently they have actually completed that work in terms of the uh construction plans and u landscape plans and things like that so um we uh we need to proceed then with the Barnabas blossom workshop so we've spent no money at this point other than um you know just uh getting getting a quote to do the work. So that's why we would seek an

extension to uh to get that underway and probably have something in the next couple of months. Yep. Okay. Any questions from the board? I guess my question just kind of goes with the next one. So the the seaw walls it doesn't look like either one of those have started. So would you have a preference as far as which one or if you kind of already prioritized, you know, you're looking for extensions on both, but if

we were to say we're only going to extend one, is there a priority between those two? So So we're kind of at the same point with both of those. We have uh we have uh quotes to do the work for both of them. We're planning to move forward with both of them kind of in a parallel uh on the two. That's that's our current plan right now. Uh, as I said within my office, uh, you know,

I've had turnover two project managers within the past year and stuff like that. So, that's held up some of these projects to want to get into something and then have to kind of turn it over uh, halfway through the project. So, that's one of been one of the delays that we've been dealing with on some of these.

So, when do you expect the work to start on Bonavous Blossom?

So this project was this was set up and originally granted as two separate phases. This was phase one with the second phase to move follow and be granted by the CPC. Uh we expect this phase one within the next couple of months to be under contract with the architect to be able to move forward with the work uh to start the design of the work and stuff like that. Uh and then we've uh Mike, you've had

discussions with the local vocational school, I believe, right, on this project to hopefully get them involved with some of the construction aspects within the next year.

Yeah, there's really not much more to add to that. So, um that would be in the fall. Um um you know, d the the vocational schools uh semester is just about over. So that's the one that you had said you were going to get the the diamond kids involved in learning some of the historical preservation work part of it.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's the Barnes Blossom. Yep.

Okay. Uh what's the board's um and you're asking for a two-year extension for both of these?

Yes. Okay. And you are um confident that the projects will be completed in those two years uh just because this may be the only extension they receive. Yep.

Okay. Yeah.

All right. I'll I'll second that motion.

All right. I'll make a motion to to extension to the Barnaby's Blossom Workshop project 23 for two years. Okay. Uh all in favor? I. Any oppose? that practice cop one. You're abandoning that you're Yeah. Um I'm a bit disappointed.

We We have to take it out of order, John. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. And and next Well, I'll make a motion um next to take the uh North Topon seaw walls out of order. I'll second. I could not hear the motion. We're taking the uh out of motion to Copa Cut Waterland. No, the seaw walls first. Seaw wall. Right.

Okay, that's what I wanted to be sure.

So okay.

And I'll second that.

Okay. Uh, all in favor? I I Okay.

Okay. Um, Seaw Walls. Um, we actually have a um a request into the same architectural company uh to uh give us a quote on that work as well. Um, so right now we we we have a queue that we're, you know, we're we're we're we're kind of competing with ourselves on. Um, but uh we've uh they've been in touch with uh at least one uh in uh civil engineer that could that could scope that out and

um haven't heard back from them yet, but that's that's in the last two or three weeks that we've had that. Yeah, that's a special so they feel they'll be able to complete it within the time frame within the budget. uh that's a specialty consultant that they're going to bring in with on those uh particular walls just due to the nature of them.

Okay. What's the boards? I would say um same thing. I would just make sure you understand that there's a good chance this will be the first and only extension for this project. Um and then is it correct to assume that this project requires very little uh from water uh from your department staff? Um it's going to be predominantly consultants. think handling this. Is that safe too soon? Uh, predominantly

we'll have staff out there that'll be with them since it's on the water supply when they're out there surveying and stuff like that. We'll probably have one of our staff members with them overseeing them. Uh, plus that also identify the locations and stuff like that. And you would attribute that staffing requirement to being part of the delay with the queue and necessary manpower to implement it. Yes. Okay. All

right. I I'd make a motion for the tier extension uh for the Wataba North Watupa pond seaw walls FY24 project. Okay, a motion and a second. Uh all in favor just question.

Is that mortalous when they're putting that back? Is that going to be a mortalous reconstruction?

No. No. So those those walls originally do do have do have a border. Again, the funding that's being provided is uh is to be able to evaluate the SEA seaw walls, identify all the seaw walls, and come up with a plan to be able to move forward uh with the stabilization and reconstruction of those seaw walls.

That's currently what's being funded by the CPC. There's no physical work attributed to this. Correct. This this project was the initial phase to figure out where we have them, how much we have, what condition they're in.

grade it and identify where we need to start and you know what could wait a little bit longer, what type of methods needs to be done to reconstruct them. Uh seeing the nature, how close they are to the pond and stuff like that to be able to lay out the road map for us to move forward with the uh stabilization and reconstruction because there's a lot of pollution that could be developed with

that reconstruction. So I was only concerned. Good. Thank you. Okay, we were taking the vote. We had the second.

Okay. All in favor? I. Any oppose? Okay.

That one passes. Uh motion to take Copa Cut Land out of order. I'll make a motion to take Copa Cut land waterland acquisition out of order. Second.

Second. Oh, all in favor? I Sorry, I have an ear infection in my ear. No worries. I'll be louder.

So, um I'll take this one. Uh we've had a really good track record open space projects. Uh this was one that was more difficult than any that we've done so far in that there was a a a wetland issue that needed to be uh worked out and um in the process of uh extended at least two years uh with the land owner.

Um, we as we did the due diligence, you know, in good faith, um, had had survey work done, had a a a 21E hazardous waste assessment, as we do on every project.

We don't want to buy a project, a property that has problems. Um, appraisal cost and um and some engineering because uh uh we had to identify the wetlands and uh develop some kind of a a rehabilitation plan. Um but the project fell through and so you'll see that we spent $11,460 um out of the 230. Um uh and like I said in and this you know project development costs are usually you know they're part

of the project and uh when we close on the project um you know it's it doesn't stand out. But in this particular case um the the the purchase and sale expired. we couldn't go any further with the land owner. So, we're hoping that um the committee would um uh allow us to uh uh you know, having spent that 460, we'd like to um um you know, just return the remainder, but um allow that 111,460

u to have been a part of a project cost that we incurred.

Yeah. again. So, this so this was due diligence, you know, uh as Mike said leading up uh one thing about this project and again uh it's not only the CPC that we're looking to give money back to, we also had another grant that matched this uh the CPC funding from the state. Uh and uh we lost that funding as well just because of the because of the land owner, the issues that we had

dealing with him uh the procrastination.

uh he's on the hook now for restoration of the wetlands, all the uh damage that he did to the wetlands and I would imagine uh conservation DP will be addressing that uh with the current land owner. So again uh this was something that we were trying to protect out in this area part of the Copa watershed uh would have been good for us uh to add to our open space out there uh for

recreational purposes. But again, uh, as we were going through the due diligence, it seemed like we kind of ran into one or, you know, one road black block after another with the property owner. It just didn't come through.

Yeah, we had problems that through conservation. So, yeah, I see your point on the drawing it. So, any questions? Hi. Uh, so is it your department? So, are you guys no longer pursuing this parcel like in the future or is this something you might come back to? Um, you know, I can tell you that it's something that we're, you know, if this uh property owner wanted to come back to the table and

wanted to come back to the table with the original negotiated cost that uh that he wanted for that parcel, we'd be open for discussions if we were able to secure the funding again. uh when we had uh the multiple funding sources set up uh there was no impact to uh you know border rate payers or the citizens of fall river um it was funded through CPC and state grants uh so we would again

have to and that could be a year or two process with the CPC funding and everything else to line up those funding sources again but it would definitely be something that we'd be interested doing uh if we were sure that it would go through. Okay. But in theory, the due diligence cost that you've sunk in already, it would still retain some value in that scenario. Yeah, I was going to add to that, Alex, because um

except for the appraisal, which we would have to update, but actually there's a lot of good information that would that would result in a reduced cost for a new appraisal, the 21E, the the engineering, all of that will uh u uh you know, will uh Okay. Yeah. will not will not really expire. Um, and so the the this is except for the fact that I I suspect there may be one more parcel in the Copa

Cut area that we might you might see in the next uh round, but um this this at the time was potentially the last privately owned undeveloped parcel uh in the bio reserve. It's 800 ft away from the uh I mean in the Copa Cut reservoir.

It's 800 feet away from the shore and it's within the uh buffer zone of uh two certified vertal pools that have marbled salamanders. So, it's got it's got a really high sort of conservation value.

So, which made it very exciting and to have the ability to work with with with a landowner under less than ideal situation. Um we we we thought we could get to the finish line but didn't work.

Right. Did you submit the law letter to withdraw this already or I think I don't know. I'll follow up. Yeah. Okay. I don't because we don't do we need a vote regarding returning the fund like the the spent balance. I don't think we usually need to do a vote for that. It's considered sunk cost. Um I don't think there was any repayment clause or anything cuz you it wasn't through any

fault of your own. The project just fell through. So great. I I'll coordinate with Sandy's if we need that. It's a matter of calm to take a vote. Okay. If and would you I mean Yeah. Okay. We can Yeah, we just we won't extend it, right?

That's the vote.

There was no vote. They're not asking to extend. I know, but it's listed for an extension. So, our vote would be not to extend it, right? Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I'll make a motion to not extend the Kofa Cut water land acquisition project from FY23. And I'll second that motion.

Okay. All in favor?

I in favor? Okay.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

All right.

Do we want to take Paul Fire Museum out of order for them? I think he's doing it with uh but we can do that first. Uh make Yeah. Make the motion to bring him fire museum up first so we can It's on headway.

Is he not here? I'll need to request an extension on project. Hold on. Sy's asking is is the representative from planning board attending tonight or or a planning department. Sorry. Do you want to just move those two extensions to the next meeting? Okay. Which ones are those? That's hope Mount Hope Bay.

You want to move those to the next meeting? Yeah, I'll make a motion. I mean, we don't have to do that. We could not do the extensions. Did he want I didn't think he wanted to extend those.

Those are the two. Yeah.

Well, through his through they already spent money on Father Kelly lights. No, that's different.

So, uh is Quick Shan the same as Mount Hope Bay bike path bond. So, so that's a different one not on the agenda. So, he just has the Mount Hope he just has Mount Hope Bay and Kennedy overlook. He He's the quickenian. All that money is coming back. That's not on here. That's coming back. No extension, nothing on that one. It's done. That project's done.

They So, he only has two projects.

Yeah. Okay. My suggestion would move those two to the next meeting just to hear his presentation. Yeah. I want to hear from Mount Hope Bay uh bike path if they want an extension because that's FY18. So, I never I I don't know anything about that. Because I think it's finished because we got uh Bill Kenny. Well, he's asking for an extension. I know. That's why we don't understand. Well, so you can't find the form uh

application and the application was just the study. So, we'll we'll move it to the next meeting. Um so, I'll make a motion to table the Kennedy Park Overlook FY17 project and the Mount Hope Bay bike path bond FY18 project extension request to the next meeting um with a request for planning to attend.

I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I. Any oppose? Passes. Okay. Um, can I have a motion to take the fire museum out of order? It's actually next now. Oh, next.

Yeah, now. Yeah. So, they're all kind of in order now. Yeah. Now, sorry.

Mike, you want guys want to come up?

Good evening committee members. Michael Leage, president for Prime Museum.

Good evening, members. Al Oliver, director of city operations.

So this project so um falls under the city city umbrella. Uh Mr. Leage was a um firefighter and he has now since retired. Uh we have put the project out to bid and um the results haven't been um as positive as we were looking for.

I'm going to let um Lieutenant, former Lieutenant Paige um give you the specifics. He's been overseeing that.

Yes. Um so to start, this was a 2021 project. We all know what happened in 2021. So the submitted application at the time was uh precoid numbers. So um we had that to contend with. Um we hired a civitech and um they prepared all the drawings. This is for the roof by the way. The roof, the downspouts, the gutters and masonry work above the roof line which includes the hose tower

and the chimney that penetrate the roof.

So obviously you want to do the masonry work first before you do any roof work.

And um so once they completed their drawings um they identified a few things that needed to happen. One was the structural issues in the attic they were concerned with. So, we had to hire a structural engineer and I came before the board about this some time ago and that took a long time to get that done and it was finished and then that's right around the time that director Oliva came on board and this project was

kind of thrown in his lap and I do appreciate his support over the years.

Um so we had to hire then hire a contractor to make the repairs uh per the engineers report which were done. Um and in the process we also identified some pigeon guano in the attic that could be disturbed during the work done to the roof, the structural work which had to be remediated. That work was done as well.

Um, we paid the architect a certain amount of money. I think it was one invoice and um, that pretty much left us with a balance of um, we originally awarded uh, $381,65 and currently in our account is 337,398 left. So, we've spent 43,667 so far. Um, the project went out to bid and as you know, uh, sadly, uh, actually put in an application. Um, I spoke to, um, Chairman Brandt about this. wanted me to

put in a an eligibility application and I guess there wasn't much of an appetite for it on the committee, but we were over budget by uh quite a bit. Um 480,815 is what yeah is what it's going to take to do the whole roof, gutters, downspouts, and masonry um above the roof line. So to be clear, that's in addition to the 3801. So the total is what over 800. Oh yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So the hard part about the type of work that we do, we have to deal with public procurement. Um prevailing wages, public procurement. So that's the uh that was the going rate at that time. Um when we put it out to bid and u when was that?

Was that recent? Um I think about six months ago. Yeah, it was fairly recent when we got the devastating news. Yeah.

So, uh that's why we we came came in front again. So, um and the appetite wasn't there and it's totally understood. Uh we did meet with the architect for a contingency plan um to try to get what we can with the funds that we have and we are uh we are going to proceed with looking at uh alternative uh ways of correcting the roof issues.

Um, some of those items are going to be uh related to masonry, some pointing and some uh major work on the rear of the uh the uh the roof the the roof that we have. So, it wouldn't be um everything that we really requested, but it's going to get us to make sure that we can get a a uh an envelope corrected. Right. And if I can expound on that. So um if you

know the building at all um it is a the building is two parts. It's the fire museum or fire station and a police substation back in 18 1800s. So um as part of the we're start we're like restoring the whole building as much as we can. So, we wanted to put a whole roof over the entire building, gutters and down spouts because over the years that roof is pushing 38 years old

now. So, it's leaking because there's no uh there's holes in the the gutters and there's no down spouts. Every time it rains, the basement floods. Um we've had some ceiling damage. We've had some brand new work that we had done. Averted damage averted.

um on the first floor. So went back to the architect and we said, "Listen, can we phase this out?" So um in the back of the fire station there's a small building. It's like a story and a half.

It's actually two stories, I suppose.

And um but you got to crouch on the second floor. It's kind of low, but that used to be where they stable horses. So I call it the horse stall building. And that's where the majority of the displays are going to be for the museum is in that back area, the apparatus bay. We don't if there are any leaks on the main roof, it doesn't affect it because it has to go travel a long way

to get to that point. Um, so what we wanted the architect to do is to look at this and for the remaining amount see how much of that work we can get done so it doesn't so we take that effect out of the museum equation and buy us more time and come back and get some more CPA funding to do the remaining roof. And it makes sense too because you can break

that that roof off against the masonry wall of the museum. So you can do that lower roof gutters and down spouts and the masonry, the tower and the chimney. I'm hoping that that will take care of and if there's any money left over, it'll go back in the CPC and then I'll reapply, which I'm probably going to do anyways, is reapply this fall for the remainder of the roof. So, there are sections of

the roof that have over the years have blown off, been patched by director Olivera's uh capable crew and there's another area that that I saw when I'm traveling north on the police side.

Looks like there's a section I could see boards. So, um he's going to send a worker up there in the bucket truck for the architect was trying to get an idea as to how much of the main roof is, you know, in compromise. So that would be part of the uh the the secondary plan would be u to make sure that if we can spot any leaks in in the other roof that

we would correct those as part of the project and then come back if if necessary. So, what you're saying is the 381 $381,65 from FY22, uh, that's not going just that won't cover the roof, the horsepower roof and chimney. You're going to need additional from that. the 463 we are anticipating that the the remainder of 337,000 398 which I did not include the remaindering of the architectural fee

because they have to go out and do some more work. We're hoping in that number that the architect's working out right now that it'll go out to bid and we'll be able to get those items done for the horse stall, secure the horse stall and the masonry above the roof line so that once the museum opens up, we don't have any water leaking in the museum proper and then we'll address the main roof at

a late later date. I think that makes sense. um instead of um not dealing with the problem. It this has been a long time and we need to deal with the problem. We need to get this thing fixed. Um it's been a it's been a every time we get a storm, we have more tiles blow off. So So you you'd be using FY22 money and FY23 the bond money? No. To

get this? No, they haven't they're not talking about FY23 money. They haven't mentioned two separate projects. It's a 381. Okay. Yep. Yep. Excuse me. The I said uh asphalt roofing. It's currently asphalt. It was origin Well, originally it was slate and it was removed when Chief um St. Martin just retired. He was a probationary firefighter. Was at that station when they were moving the slate

and putting the asphalt on there. So the um the state was fine with us per the guidelines, mass historical guidelines.

They were fine with us putting an asphalt roof back on there. We would love to do slate. Yeah. But it's No, I mean that number would be even crazier.

I mean the bid that we got the lowest bid we got to do the whole project was 724600 from a local company. Yeah. What about the alternative that the uh you could use the plastic that Well, we looked at that. um it's not conducive in the new in the the New England area with the um the frost cycles. Um they tend to curl up and so um I know Christian was

involved in this too. We looked at samples. They're all cost prohibitive. I mean that we just decided we settled on an asphalt looking slate uh no material.

Even the even the copper on the down spouts and the gutters. If you look at the north end burial ground, um it's like a simulated copper. It's not true copper. It's a tin that's plated to look like copper. And I think with the roof too, when we when you were looking at the alternative ones, there were companies that just weren't getting back to right anybody either. So it was Yeah,

it was very difficult. I mean during the co years it was just like trying to get anything done was like it just took forever. That just took so long. Okay. Very frustrating.

I guess my only question on it would be to the kind of the theme of earlier in the night. You you think right now it's easier or the the core the path of least resistance is to get the back part of the building secured, get the contractor, get that bidded out versus like one a withdrawal and then using that $724,000 bid and coming back and saying, "Hey, like we want to do this instead

and then oneot deal." Yes, sir. Because I think uh we'll basically wipe out your your budget with our roof project. Yeah.

And I still don't believe that um that rate in today is a the true uh value of the car the roof will be at this point.

Okay. We put that out to bid in the public procurement. It no one knows.

Okay. So you think it's less or more?

More. I think nothing's less anymore.

Nothing. Yeah. We we got two we got two bids. The highest bid was almost a million. It was $979,000.

What's the date on that? Those were about 6 months. April. Four. Six months ago. Yeah, it's just going to continue to increase. I mean, debate it's debatable. It could it could there are changes kind of happening where, you know, contractors are starting to lower their costs because it's a competitive atmosphere right now. So, it might be good to rebid currently. Um, I do have a

couple timing. Yeah. Questions. Um, I'm wondering if we could take out of order the Far Fire Museum bond extension request just cuz my I have questions that tie I think to this. Um, so I'll make a motion to take Forever Fire Museum uh FY23 out of order. I'll second. All in favor? I. Um, so just before I kind of get into my thoughts, what's the status of this FY23 the window project? Okay. So, um the Windows

project was done by a different architect. Um and uh that project's moving along pretty quickly. Tomorrow I am going to do a walk through uh with four prospective bidders that want to see the museum. So, I'm going to take the 10:00 and my vice president um Fred Bergs in the audience.

He'll be with me. Um, so we're hoping we're going to get some, you know, if we could get four bids, that'd be great.

Now, this project, just so you know, um, again, because of the energy codes and because of the fact that there's so many windows that are blown off, blown away and gone, that's just plywood and the remaining windows are so deteriorated.

Um, and because of the issues, concerns the board have had about other buildings that you've done and then the windows get broken overnight, we tried to address all those issues. So, um, we've already been before the state historic commission and I'm pretty sure the city as well. Not sure, but we did get state approval um, with the architect to do new windows historically accurate to the building.

And they'll be double pane energy efficient windows with UV protection especially for the artifacts inside the museum and better heat retention. And the type of glass they're going to use is somewhat vandalproof. Mhm. What I understand. But in addition to that, we may consider going with a quarter inch screen which was on the building when I was in when it was an active fire station. It was like a quarter inch um I

want to say chicken wire, but it's called hardware cloth is what the name of it is. And it was painted green and the frame was wood and it kind of blended in. But at least when you throw a rock at it, it doesn't break the window. And so on the vulnerable sides, the North Park side, both east and north, we're seriously considering putting those panels in place.

So, so at this point to to summarize, the building's been designed. We have a architect. We're in a walkth through stage before we can get some bids and funds expended so far for that. FY231 has it I believe just a designer. Yeah, just a design invoice. So, you have actually there's a that's my fault.

There is a type of type uh typo error in Al's letter. I gave him the wrong numbers. So originally I told them it was awarded at $465 $465,80.

Okay. But the museum is putting in 2,000. So my formal request to the board was $463,80 which if you use that number and you take out the architect's invoice, it re there's a remainder of $427,170, okay, remaining in that account. So Sandy, that number on our agenda for this project, the 243 662, that's the full bond, but it's less than the amount they're giving for I know. I I don't I

can't I don't have an answer for that.

All right. So, we'll have to figure that out, I guess. Um I was just wondering what the discrepancy was there. Uh okay.

If I recall correctly, when you appeared before, uh, for your extension, um, or I think it was when you were talking about the pigeon guano, um, I think I had suggested the idea of holding off on the windows to do the roof. Um, and then I think we got a letter saying that you thought it would be better to proceed with the uh, windows cuz I think you were further along with that one. Uh, do

you still think that was the right decision um, going forward? Absolutely.

And the reason for that is um of course we are just so close to getting the doors open and what I don't want to have happen is the building department closed me down because I got flying glass. Okay. And you get the school nearby. The roof leaking is not going to When do you have a So I didn't know you had like a projected open date. Do what's your your goal? We would love to

be open by the fall. Um this fall. Yes.

Okay. That'd be great. Um it's going to depend on um these bids and getting this project these projects going. The just understand the roof project in my opinion is not going to have any effect on the museum opening to the public.

Okay. We're dealing with leaks and stuff like that. The museum being that back section growing. The museum is the whole fire station first floor. The two bays.

So the bays too. Okay. And the back horse, right? Okay. Um, the windows arguably, yes, could put a kink in us.

Um, we have since, if you don't mind, I just like to expound on a little bit outside of CPC. We had received $75,000 in and uh a state grant through um travel uh travel and tourism tourism board. And um that was like a year and a half or so ago. And what did that go towards? Oh, we did a ton of work in there. We did um we upgraded all the electrical. Okay. All the lighting to

LED. Uh we painted all the walls, historic colors, a three-tonone paint job. We restored the tin ceiling. We robbed some off the police side. I didn't tell you that. We fixed the big hole in the ceiling. The ceiling's painted silver and the walls are green and gray stark colors. Really nice looking. We installed e- lighting and exit signs, installed an ADA exit door, ADA parking pad in the back, updated and

uh our display cases. Um refinished the floor and horse stall. It's beautiful.

Um uh fire alarm wiring that we got that we didn't have as part of a 35k donation of a full fire alarm system and hardware that has yet to be installed. and uh an ADA bathroom and security cameras. We got two cameras per side. Okay. All monitored. That's all good to hear. Um is it correct to assume that those improvements were made um with the goal of getting the museum open versus

spending them towards like the roof? It was. And unfortunately, I made a slight error had I had a crystal ball.

I probably would have put lipstick on the pig on some of these things. That's what I was kind of I was wondering if anything was potentially at risk now with the roof leaking. So, it's outside of this the CPC, but um this $34,000 fire alarm system, that's the hardware.

We're required by the state. We went for a variance. They wanted us to put a sprinkler system in there. So, we have to put a fire alarm system. It's monitored. And of course, who am I to say we can't have that, right?

Obviously, we agree with that.

Um, but we had a local um, businessman, and I'm not going to mention his company or his name, uh, offer to install a system at about a $10,000 value. When he walked in there, he changed his mind.

Had I known that, I would have put it in the 75K and removed one of these items.

That's what's holding us up from opening the museum. I need $10,000 to open the museum. And I already have two grants or one once out right now. And I'm doing the second one.

And that's for the fire system. Yes.

Finish to install in the installation.

Okay. So, we've been we've been busy. I mean, we're right there. All right. So, I guess close my concern uh with your plan for the FY2 remaining funds. Uh and I pardon me. I think this might have just been before my time on the committee cuz I I don't remember the approved scope uh for the grant. So because technically and you're not supposed to use grant funds for different scope than it was approved

from. So where I'm concerned is that some of those kind of uh ad hoc repairs to the back section might not be in the scope. So that's kind of something I would want to check just to be this was a separate grant from the state. No, I'm talking about your plans to use the remaining FY22 funds to get the roof kind of weathertight of the back portion where you want the music. Is my Didn't I

hear you say that? It's part of the project as a whole. Okay. So, that was part of the school. Nothing different.

Okay. That's that's what I wanted to make. Okay. That's what I wanted to make sure. Um it's part of, you know, part of shutting the uh the water from going into the building. So, it's it's the envelope. Um Okay. I I had some ideas, but kind of hearing how you've approached things and like, you know, a few of the mistakes along the way, I like I was going to suggest perhaps uh abandoning the window project

temporarily to kind of focus on the roof like I did last time. Um but if the windows are indeed what would keep you from being opening, I can't really hold your logic against that. And if you're confident that the remaining grant funds can get the roof in the back where you want it to be, I think that will give you at least the opportunity to get the space open, get foot traffic, build

momentum, and then you could start your whole kind of own fundraising fundraising drives to finish off that roof and then perhaps come back to the committee with, you know, some other matching funds to make it more uh appealable to to everyone, I guess. Um, okay. So, yeah, I guess I don't have many more ideas. I just want to add too.

So the windows project, it's not just the windows, it's also restoring the vestibule, the main vestibule entryway.

Yeah. Which um is that the end? I'm kind of thinking that might be a nice diamond project. Okay. Yeah. All right. I don't have any uh further questions. Any other questions from the board? I just have one. Is there any reason why the city historic commission is not in this loop?

But I as far they were they they gave us letters back when it was approved but there's many many changes being done so yeah the and I apologize I should have researched it.

Um I'm pretty sure it went I know it went to the state. You're talking about the windows that went to the state but I thought it went to the local as well but I can get you that information. We we did have a letter on it from you did Jason. Yeah. Okay. I think it was before you were cuz that was FY.

Yeah, that was 23. Yeah, that was stock architect. We're talking about new windows being being designed right at this point being being purchased and procured, which was after the 23. Yeah.

Originally, my intention was to to stay, you know, restore the windows and it's just it's they're so far gone that it's just not practical. And for the reasons I described, the energy code, the the vandalism, the UV, I mean, the heating just So, Commissioner, are you saying that we before we move ahead with any of those modifications that we need to get approval from from the local? My it

appears you've been to the state. My question was that was there any particular reason why the city historic commission wasn't involved and this is city property addition. Uh so that was my question. Okay.

And and the letter was sent back if I can remember correctly it might have been a 21 or 22 uh request you know and this is something that's just recent. And you did go to the mass historic commission to get their sanction. I'm just wondering. Yeah, it was a question. It was I want to say it was July August cuz I remember I was I was away when that happened. Maybe if you get some details

maybe you can just email moral of the story loop this historic commission in I served on that board for a short time.

Is it possible to keep the our local historic commission informed in the future? Yes. Thank you. Okay. Um I just wanted to say because my concern um was that the window project wasn't really started at all because that was the one that we bonded for with the central fire station and just a general concern I have cuz we have a couple projects that were bonded for that didn't really move

and that does cost the city and the taxpayer money on the interest of the bond payments. Um, so that being said, since it's already going um and there's already a sunk cost into it, I would say to proceed and that's the only one you're asking for the extension or are you asking for the extension for the FY22 one that's both projects due in October? Okay.

Um, I do I have a question through the chair to the secretary. Um, I was noticing there's a date here of October 16th, 2025 on the existing extension for the roof project. Is that when that's going to expire? That's what I was just asking about. So, actually, we're still in compliance until October. So, you're not asking for an extension? We are because the civetch is concerned that we may run

out because she's looking at possibly September before it gets out the bid. So we put it on there so that they wouldn't have to come back. All right. To ask for the extension. They know they're going to need like another year. Figured maybe the committee could look at it tonight and say, "Okay." This way they don't have to come back to another meeting.

Okay.

Well, how about when the board takes a uh um a motion on the uh forward museum for the 381 extension? What's the board feeling? Correct.

That's the FY22. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, the project's going to move forward. I mean, we we we're committed to doing that and we are we are going to get a good product out of it.

Absolutely. Okay. I'll I'll make a motion uh for are you looking for a two-year one-year extension? I kind of would uh caution to one year just so we could get an update on things sooner rather than later. I would. Okay. So, I'd make a motion for a one-year extension for the FY22 Fall River Fire Museum project. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I. Any oppose? I reluctantly agree. Uh but I'm a little concerned

with the lack of communication with with the historic commission which is a vital commission to work with your project.

Right. And and and I and I apologize for that. But in with respect to the roof um there wasn't um any of I don't believe there was any um action needed for that.

You're referring to the window the windows project.

Yeah. That's the next one we're going to take. But just just to be clear and and it doesn't you giving the historic commission an update doesn't have to be like an approval uh process like request only. Um even if you give them an update like they could have given you advice on that $75,000 grant about not doing some of the interior stuff until it was weather tight. So it could be just like

you know an advice feedback kind of thing to make the project more successful overall. So right I think that's more so where like the concern kind of comes from just to make it better. It's a team. I get it.

Okay.

Okay. Uh so I'll make a motion to uh provide a one-year extension to the FY23 for Fire and Museum uh window project and investable project. Sorry.

Second. Okay. All in favor? I oppose.

All right.

Now, what is the date? What is the new date now on Sandy will get you projects?

Sandy will get you the dates that they voted on. So it's not fiscal, it's year from so one of them will be October and the other one will be April. They'll both be the same. They'll both will both be dated from tonight. Yeah. And then in the the letters that Sandy sends, they'll have the dates in them, too.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for the update. Good luck with that opening.

It'd be great for the community and have more time to spend.

It would be a very valuable learning resource I think for the city. Thank you. So, next is the school ad building.

The school ad building the um in conversation with the school department. Uh the the request is to utilize the uh the $12,300 that it's encumbered and then the 30,811 on miscellaneous um repairs associated with those chimneys and um uh Ken Pachu who I spoke with uh a few days ago regarding that he was concerned about making sure that that was um the motor joints were were all set, the any

of the flashing was all set. So this this is going to be more of a um making sure that the whole project is completed and we utilize the rest of those funds.

Now uh with this project we said uh he was putting in split minis cuz we didn't want to put air conditioners back in new windows. Correct. So he was doing that.

That's that's all all part of the project. Correct. Sounds good to me. Y just because this was before my time too. Those uh additional repairs that all falls within the original scope.

Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Does that does that take into the railing on on the deck? That was a separate That's a separate separate separate that was more recent.

Yeah. Um what's the board's wish?

I'll make a motion uh to provide a one-year extension uh for the school admin project from FY21. And I'll second that motion. All in favor? I. Any oppose? All righty. Done with that one.

Uh next is the Fore River Veterans Center. Yes, the Veteran Center. We have $43,900 on that.

Um, when I uh when I came on board, I noticed that we had some minor uh dilamination up on the roof area and I know I I looked back at some of the history and we had a roof repair done.

Um, but on the caps of that roof, there typically is a flashing that that mounds that. So, we had our roofers come on out. we we we get add prices and no one no one wanted to give us a price on that and the reason why they did that is because we have a concrete uh base cap over it so we it's been a while that we've been looking at I've been looking

into it we haven't gotten any prices so we are going to plan B to make sure that we have a concrete uh cap so we are moving on that it's be done this summer we already were entertaining uh bids right now and it's going to be within within that dollar amount. Portions of of that cap are in good good condition.

The other ones are just almost disintegrating. So you can see some sandy components to it. So is that it's all part of is it a molded cap? It's almost a like a pre-cast that's on top of that cap and um it's just some parts are just weathering and some parts are in decent condition. My assessment is that when they pulled to do the parapit, they pulled those caps out and when they

put them back in, it was just in a rough condition. So, right. Any other questions from the board? Just the same original scope included. Um, this one's far. So, so to do the roof, they needed to remove those caps and it was just and then when they put those back, it was just wasn't in in good condition or some just deteriorated throughout the years.

But at the end of the day, you need to have some stability up on that roof.

Okay. And I'm just curious, are you going to Is this something you can purchase or something you have to fabricate yourself? So, we have concrete uh folks that are that are going to fabricate that to mirror what we have up there right now. Okay. Yeah.

Interesting. Okay. It's crazy. I mean, I when you see when you see concrete crumbling at the roof area, it's concerning. So, Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

Thank you for your due diligence cuz I remember when you first came on board and you asked for all the blanket extensions so you could actually see everything yourself before um you know closing things out. So this is a good reason for that. I mean the roof the roof is is a key key element to that project. I uh I remember initiating the uh the opening of that veterans veterans building. So, good. Um, I'll make I'll

make a motion. Okay. For one-year extension for the Veterans Center project. I'll second that motion. Okay.

All in favor? Any opposed? Okay.

Next, the Father Kelly lights. Father Kelly lights. Father Kelly lights. The lights are up. We have those programmed.

They're being uh they're we're able to utilize those under the Musco uh lighting system. Um the only thing that's really left is a scoreboard and um Mr. Hackett is doing a great job and um we're we've got pricing for a scoreboard and we're looking to purchase that very shortly. How about the landscaping? We just covered around the pole area. Is he doing that himself or So that was we we had a meeting with the

general contractor. Uh we had we added that to a punch list. Uh there were certain things that they did with some of the machinery. So they're covering all they're taking care of all that.

That's all part of the punch list at zero cost. Oh, good. Good. Uh any other questions? I'm happy they're up.

Looks good.

Looks good. And it will because that is a major savings from high pressure sodium lights to LEDs. Yeah, that well that was part of the alert. I remember in the grant application. Absolutely.

For that need an extension here tonight.

I'll make that motion that we uh allocate the extension. Okay. For how long? For a year. Okay. Second. Uh all in favor? I oppose. Okay. Let's see.

Next is uh North Barrel. Central Fire Station. Central Fire Station.

Oh, all right. That was in with the fire museum. Yep. Okay.

So, Sandy, can you just give me a quick history on that one? Um, that's the facade. Oh, the facade. It's the Bedford Street. It's Bedford Street facade. This one. So, this is I just just spoke with the architects again. Civetex. They're a local company. They're a small architectural firm. They were brought on before I I came on board and when I when I put my uh RF uh request for qualifications for architects, they

elected not to put in because they were so busy and it's taken a little bit of time. What they what's holding this project up is the molding for the lights. And I just spoke with them here in in city hall the other day and they told me that we're very close. were just trying to get um the ball rolling with the molding for the lights to make sure that they mirror the same same type of

of of lighting. We they brought companies in to assess what what's going on with the with the facade area and the logos that they have emblems. So those emblems we just have to because you're dealing with again some historical information as part of the building.

They need to mirror the same quality type of of setting. So that's why it's taken a little bit long besides, you know, them being a smaller firm. Um, I give them kudos for not applying for the uh for the architect on call that I put out and um I give them credit for that.

But they're they're a good firm and they just just all out right now. Yeah, because you have in that too is Split Minis. The split minis of the AC that that's on the front side of that that building. Absolutely. Okay.

All right. Board have any questions? So, in terms of uh like timeline benchmarks, what are you kind of thinking? Because this like this is one of the ones that have kind of been irking on me because it's a bonded one. There hasn't been as much progress. Um I know that there was like other work done to the facility.

So, I didn't know if it was like an order of operations sort of thing or Yeah. No, so we have another project that is we're converting some rest u some rooms for the EMS and fire. M it's female male just to make sure that we're in the same compliance area. So we have that that's a separate um agreement that we're working on the back side of the building. So that we just we just saw

the final product to that and the project's going to be out to bid very shortly on that. But that's a whole different part of the building. The other the facade is is a a se separate section. And so like benchmarks for the facade, what are you kind of aiming for?

So, I I we're going to be meeting shortly within the next week or so to put everything on paper and then push it through to a bidding process. So, that's why we definitely need to have an extension on this. Um I I mean, between you and I, I I'd love to say that it's going to be done within the year, but um I I can't I can't promise that one. So,

if we could get a two-year on that one, that would be ideal, but I'm we're shooting for a year. Yep. Um, just my thoughts. This is since this is the bonded one, it's I believe bonded for more than the two years. So, I I think it makes sense to do the two-year extension, especially since work is currently ongoing and there's been a sunken cost already. Um, and we're still kind of waiting for the that facade.

Yeah, it's disappointing. I I wanted to do that in 2010 before I left. I mean, once it's done, I think the community is going to like, you know, lose their minds, you know, every time they go by Bedford Street. Uh, okay. So, I'll make a motion for a two-year extension for the central fire station project from FY FY23. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I oppose. Okay, that passes. We'll have it

We'll actually have it paid off before it gets done. I was going to say like, you know, just the chairman. Uh next to North just on the side the the uh mounting I guess of the fixtures is that wood is that a wooden ornament? So yeah you're referring to the medallions. Yes.

Yeah the medallion. So there is there is a component that you can unscrew off that off that building. So they would take that and then just dye it and make a make another uh copy of it. That would be the medallion. Correct. But then the wooden portion, can that be done say by dining students to assist or There's not much wood in there's not much wood in that section. It's it's either a

concrete or a uh or um a a tin associated with that medallion. So, and then you have the copper which is the lighting and then the copper trims. Mhm. So it's it's everything is very very authentic and uh it's very precise and you have to get the right molds. Uh I remember talking to the person who was going to do that work and uh you you could spend an hour just talking to the guy because he

started talking about his fabrication methods and and uh it was pretty pretty intense but it just with us we're looking at it just give me the product will you but it it's a little more intense. Okay. Is that an opportunity?

Like I know uh Diamond has the CNC machines and all of those things could be scanned and digitized and then used as like a full faux instead of copper.

Something that would be either aluminum or something of that nature. But that's you know again living in the city here I've seen copper gutters go. I've seen copper plaques go. So, I don't know if it's an opportunity that if you want to try to go that direction with them because they do some brilliant work there. They do. They do a great job. I mean, I know um and you're right, there

is with the the CUS. I was part of the construction of the CUS middle school and when you drive up that's a that's a PVC um look, but it looks like copper, but it's PVC. So there is different ways I can I mean I can reach out the next time I talk to the architect about possibly doing that but we're so I think we're so deep into it at this point that

the uh the mold has been completed and so just a recommendation because when future historical projects like this do come up those are really the costly items that either make or break and again knowing you know uh the vandalism and such not you know there might be some alternative to make a project. Yeah, they'd have to climb up the whole outside of the building. So, I think they're probably

So, those medallions is the intent to recreate rather than restore them. I thought the original hope was to restore some. Well, I think that was part of what what we were trying to figure out with the architect because I mean, if you if you restore those, are they going to come back to what what they have at that point? So, okay. Right now, it's it was the combination. That's one of the

meetings that we have to finalize that.

Just wondering. Okay. And replication is fine. Correct. Correct. And if we can and and again, we have the in-house uh not we but the city has the in-house ability with Diamond to do a lot of that and we're very fortunate and I and they they architects know that very well. I mean they they know Diamond. Um they know that very well. So I'll I will make sure I bring that up to Okay, let's move

on to rough burial ground.

north burial ground. That's something that we're going to move heavy on very shortly. Um there is the uh the gate in the uh the wall uh component that we uh we need to restore and uh bring back to life. So that's one of the ones that we're looking at on the windows boarded up. What can we do there? Could we do that metal what do you call flesh screen? So

we we we're looking at that as well. Um but we need we need to de deboard that.

But it's just right now we have a temporary light just illuminating to make sure that we have um vandalism brought down to a minimum. We we're looking at potential cameras to to overload that site, but just the kids are just having a blast with the uh with the windows at this point. Okay.

any um plans for use of that structure next to the gate or not yet. I'm sure there's there's been conversation. It's just we haven't we haven't talked about that yet. Right now it's all voted up. And the delay for the gate, was that just a staffing thing priorities or pretty much priorities at this point? Yeah, we lost our uh uh Mr.

Our cemetery's director and now we're just bouncing back and trying to get all the work done. And will this gate secure the cemetery? Is this the only opening?

I can't remember if there's holes in the fence at the other There is. There is.

That's that's one of the other uh things that we want to do is make sure that we take care of that fencing. All right.

Cuz one of like one of the reasons I voted for this originally was to secure the cemetery. So, I mean, I would hope slashex expect the rest of the fence um if we were to grant the extension to be secured, you know, in tandem. That's the plan. Absolutely.

Okay. So, what's the board's wishes?

I'll make a motion to provide a one-year extension. One year one-year extension for the North Braille Ground FY24 project. Um yeah, I'll second. You did.

All in favor? I Any oppose? All right.

Done. And I guess you got the Bank Street Army. Well, don't I have the Bank Street Army?

So, we're requesting um assistance um from this board to um for m miscellaneous repairs to the armory. And um hopefully we can we can get that approved if possible.

It's a study and assessment I think of the armory. It's a feasibility study and structural assessment. Oh, that's the one. Yeah. Sorry.

So, this you're looking for 275. And then you got uh the state coming in to match the grant, which is good. and they're they're basically going to do a study on what needs to be fixed, feasibility, what can go in there and help out the historic commission if it comes to that time when they step in, they can have direction.

All right. Well, just to be to be clear, just for the public, this is an emergency application request we got in um from the city for a Bank Street Armory feasibility study and structural assessment. The city uh has previously applied for a grant from the state. Um and this is I believe the hope for as the matching funding source. Uh the total grant cost is 55,000. The CPA funding requested is

27,500. Um yeah. Any other thoughts or questions?

Any questions?

No, I got a comment. I think it's uh it this is emergency request and it should be uh given. It's a it's a good backup for us. Yeah. On on the building at this point. So uh I I just confer that yes and being a matching grant would be to our benefit. Go forward. Yeah. My vote.

Okay. Um so just like for I don't know how much the committee kind of follows like the news about the armory but um this is kind of like as Rick mentioned a backup plan for any um like there's currently I think some disposition uh discussions that might uh progress or not but this is kind of like the alternative just so the city has um some information to go forward on. Uh my one

kind of request maybe to the committee is uh so just the I I the total project cost is 55,000 and I almost would um advise the committee uh and the city to to apply for and and grant maybe the full amount um because if the city got that matching grant they could just uh release the remaining funds versus if they don't get the grant at least they can still progress without losing a year

and a year or a year and a So that would be my one thought um for this. I don't know how the committee feels about that.

So you're saying like tie a caveat to it like if you apply for the 55,000 if you get the full amount. Yeah, I mean it it's a it would it's a matching grant so it would it should happen anyway. I would think it would anyway. Um but yeah, that that would be the the thought. It's like just an in case so it just doesn't lose time. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. and the the

amount honestly compared to some of our other grant requests um it's probably one of the smaller ones that we'll see.

So would someone like to make a motion to fund the full 55,000 with stipulation that the 275 I'll make the motion that that we full fund the full 55,000 uh in the event that the matching grant does not come to fruition. Yes, I do. I I'm I'm fully in favor of this.

Okay. Second. Second. Uh, all in favor?

I I oppose. Okay, I still done.

Thank you, uh, let's see. Uh, next, uh, CPC committee assignments. Uh, thank you.

Let's see. We only have three.

Yeah, there's only a few to add on there. Yeah, we uh only had uh the last two. The last two. So what we did was uh BJ uh we put you and Rick on the cough school and then uh Dury block uh Chris and Mike we put you on those and I think that's the only update we're on, right? Coughlin school. Did you say that? Yeah. Coughlin schooly block.

Yeah. And like I say, I know Mike's new too. So, if you do have any questions when you're out there looking, call any of the board members. Uh, seriously, two blocks away.

All right. All righty. So, can I have a motion to adjurnn? Uh, new business. Oh, new business. So, we'll move. Um, new business first. Yeah, new business. I actually did I just saw today just um the Corki Row project, the roof project, I believe they began very recently this week. They posted some photos. So, that's just started. It's not my project, but just so the committee knows. Okay, sounds good. Do you want to

I'll give you a quick update. The update is uh the manager Ray Hey, is going to be dropping off the paperwork uh to me within the next day or two and then I will go over and look at the project. Corky row. Corky row. So that and it's only a portion of the work that's been done. Okay. And it's a portion of the roof that's that's been taken care of. So Sandy will get the

paperwork by the end of the week as soon as Ray Ray will be getting it to me within the next couple of days. Okay, great. Any other new business? Okay. Uh can I have a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I oppose. All righty.