The Special Charter Review Committee convened on April 8, 2024, chaired by Reena Brown. The meeting began with attendance, noting the absence of Laura Washington, John Mitchell, and Mimi Larvey. The minutes from March 25, 2024, were accepted unanimously. The primary focus of the meeting was a detailed review of the April 2024 charter draft, particularly concerning prohibition clauses, enforcement mechanisms, and committee qualifications. Key discussions revolved around restructuring and clarifying prohibition language in the charter. The committee voted unanimously to reinstate Section 2-3B (interference with administration) and to add a specific reference to Mass General Law 268A (conduct of public officials and employees) to this section. A similar motion was unanimously passed to create Section 4-3B for the School Committee, mirroring the language and MGL 268A reference. Additionally, Section 4-7 was struck, and the subsequent section was renumbered. The committee also debated the language for Section 9-5 regarding the qualifications for special committee members, ultimately passing a motion 5-1 to specify "City residents and registered voters" for such roles. A proposal by Dan Rad to reduce the required signatures for elected office from 100 to 50 failed with a vote of 2 in favor and 4 opposed. Significant changes were made to Section 9-14 concerning the enforcement of charter provisions. The committee voted 5-1 to include "and all elected officials" alongside the Mayor in the duty to enforce the charter. Further motions, all passed unanimously, refined the notification process for charter violations and changed the wording from "personally following" to "adhering to" the charter. A new Section 9-14D was unanimously approved, mandating that all charter grievances become public records maintained by the city clerk. The committee also unanimously adopted comprehensive language for a new Section 9-14B, establishing a three-member Charter Grievance Committee with specific appointment, qualification, meeting, and reporting procedures. The discussion on potential penalties for charter violations (Section 9-14C) was tabled for further research and consultation with Corporation Council. The next meeting is scheduled for April 22nd, with an agenda limited to the penalty portion of the grievance committee.
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hi everybody Welcome to the April 8th 2024 meeting of the special Charter Review Committee it is 5 PM we are at one government center in the hearing room my name is Reena Brown I'm the chairperson in the open meeting law statement pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any media attendees are therefore advised
0:28that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible if you could join me in the Pledge of Allegiance please I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all thank you if we could
1:00take attendance starting to my far right Rob Reena Brown Kathy nich Tim Campos and absent today uh Laura Washington is ill and John Mitchell and Mimi larvey have previous commitments moving on any public comment seeing none moving on March 25th 2024 minutes motion will accept second motion to accept seconded by Kathy nich am I saying it right nich movich Dan rad seconded by Kathy movich
1:42any discussion all in favor I motion I motion passes unanimously discussion of the charter review draft and report in your last emails uh the clerk sent the special report to everybody did everybody have a chance to see that yes any comments do I have a motion make a motion to accept it okay motion made by Kathy to accept the report um my only comment is there'll be additional additions to it right and in
2:24thate Mad do we accept this or do we wait I think we wait you're right I'm sorry can we backtrack I don't know we didn't even vote we didn't vote rewind the table motion table that's good there we go seconded seconded and all in favor all right motion to table the acceptance of the report because it still is an ongoing document motion made by Dan seconded by Kathy and unanimously
3:03approved and then everybody should have received the most updated version of the charter uh prior to the meeting our other clerk uh Tim Campos indicated he has his laptop with a Word document version of it so he can uh go along and if there's changes or something different that we need he can do it contemporaneously the one we're referencing though is dated from when to January April 2024
3:33version your very last email from Paul it was titled report but the charter was also attached I call it the April 2024 version I think I have it okay um I will I went through it earlier I had a question section 2-3 prohibitions B interference with Administration if if everybody could read it is that the changed prohibition remember we had discussion about if they were having a conversation with them and
4:17said to a department had hey can you provide me a breakdown on the cost of the new bulldozer was that an order or remember we were we had that discussion about uh if it's in the course of their business like if a city council member called a department head and said can you give me or can you email me a list of your employees is that an order or directive that's in violation of that
4:43prohibition I don't think so I think it's that's part of their due of their Reed position I but we talked about putting some language in there that kind of referenced um um can you read what does it read what does 2 d3b read now it reads interference with Administration except for employ employees appointed in accordance with 28 which is subject to appropriation the city council May employ staff as it deems
5:19necessary the city council or any member of the city council shall not give orders or directions to any employee of the city either publicly or private L reest information based on their eled position right that's my opinion two attorneys in the room it out I mean to me I don't see that as a if I if somebody said hey go down there and pick up we pel's crash now an right as a non-legal person that's
6:05the difference I see whether you guys would agree I don't have a jurist doctor so but do do we add something like this does not include a request for information or something like that last to because that was the problem with the other Charter was kind of the vagueness think you can also over clarify and end up weaving out if you don't name everything you're going to weave out something look any document I'm sure
6:41this document will end up being challenged somewhere down the road any document right I just don't think that it uh it over qualifies it by adding something like this does not include a request for information or you could put like request for information sh all right I have in my notes I don't know maybe I'm I have created a new section prohibition to include language from two3 3-1 D 4-3 and
7:114-7 right because there's prohibitions in all of there's one in there for the mayor the city council and the school committee there is a Prohibition section in all of those the same language is in each one it says you can't give orders or directives yeah so I had on my original document to remove moove that I have created a new section prohibition to include language from all of those sections 2-3 3-1 d right we
7:37would combine the prohibition into one section yeah that's that was the discussion we were going to have one prohibition section that addressed mayor city council school committee right with all the same language with all the same language versus three yeah but that's not in the new one no we never voted on that I don't because we were still tossing around the language did we ever come up with
8:17concrete language I don't
8:28remember
8:55find my old Charter with with all my notes I'm glad yours is Handy hang
9:12on yeah our last draft was January right and here it is reena's notes on prohibition we were also going to reference the code of ethics the Mass general laws uh Mass General law 268a conduct of public officials and employees we were going to add that to reference the guidelines on
9:58prohibitions
10:07right
10:14right right so is there a motion or we can have more discussion something like um what's our last see our last section is 10 but we could in nine section nine is titled uh uniform procedures governing multi-member bodies I no that's 97 what's theis General Provisions so in article nine we were going to add a a Prohibition section that was all encompassing 920 yep to 19 so 9-20 would be titled prohibitions right
11:25and would tentatively say except for employees appointed in accordance with article 2-8 the city council members the school committee members the mayor's office or any member well the mayor's office has to give some orders and directives right is this coming from somewhere yeah my notes oh okay I can type fast but not that fast the problem with combining them is that 28 is specific to the city
12:05council and the mayor obviously has different abilities TOS say that again say say the numbers again y yep ad didn't includ May May right those right included those right because it was the city council the school committee right 43 and 47 is what was it3 four to S is a repeat of school committee for some reason it's an interference with Administration it kind of goes a little further than
13:0043 oh I know what it is 43 is about having a job that would have to stay in see 43 says no former member of the school committee shall hold any compensated appointed City officer City employment until one year we were keeping that right so it wouldn't be 43 it would just be 23 and 47 I don't think it was a matter of keeping it I think it was if we're
13:29keeping it putting it all into one section well we were going to strike 2 three and 47 and and make it 920 and just put the language would then be except for employees appointed in in accordance with article 2-8 the city council comma the city council or any member of the city council comma Andor school committee shall not give orders or directions to any employee of the city publicly or
14:03privately that would be 920 2-8 applies way to the city council I oh see my copy doesn't have 28 what does 28 say subject subject to appropriation the city council right they're employees because like they have a clerk they have their own staff that's why it exempts 28 okay so was 23 we're GNA well 23 includes other City positions and interfer administra but in section they're broken up sectionals City positions
14:51Andals interfer Administration so the the language and the structure is not repeated from section to section right the city council they put it both under the same prohibition for the school committee they do 43 and 47 right they broke it up for whatever reason why not mimic the language so we would take 23 keep a right we would just keep a we would strike B and then we would keep 43 we would strike 47
15:30and 920 would just be they can't give orders or directives for the city council and the school committee follow me yes m one second okay one second yeah no problem so 2 three has two sections regarding the city council holding other positions is a b is interference when you go to the school committee 43 is holding any position we're keeping it 47 is the interference instead of doing 43 A and B they did 43 and then
16:0747 and they don't seem all that so I don't know why they made them separate together in the first because that 40 Grand that they spent no I'm only kidding I don't want to get Dan going I'm going to get going before the night's overs there are three options here around some other options the option would be section and then mimic it in section right have the holding other City positions as a and
16:43the interference with Administration as B replicated and then just strike four7 right isn't that the easiest that seems like the easiest that's option one the option number two that you just put forward would be which is complicated keeping the positions piece in for section two and section four and then just moving the interference with Administration to 920 to 920 that what we discussed on 129 was taking both
17:14sections out of section two and section four and moving them both into 920 Under A and B like a 920 A and B yeah that's what my not say anyway so that's three options three options that we have us I like the easier one I would say keep it I mean we have one we have an article for school committee if you want have another prohibition category then um we
17:39can do that and then whatever the what is it two so keep no then we won't need keep two three A and B and then we we strike 47 and we make 43 A and B yes that's is the simplest version committe versus city council right there's no need to create section 920 right because it would be in there but in in 23b and in and in 43b we add the code of conduct from Mass
18:12General law right and that's referenced here TOA should be refed in those of the right sorry Dan go ahead thank you madam uh the reason the school committee is reference is they follow a whole different set of procedures the city council oversees the general budgetary purpos budget issues and things within their jurisdiction for the whole city the school committee is but one department
18:50they follow their own they follow their own code of conduct they follow uh there's a whole different procedures the Bible for it's totally different yeah but the language in the charter for the prohibitions is exactly the same they just broke it up differently they're we're not changing the language the language for the city council on prohibitions and the language for the school committee in the charter are
19:23identical and that code of ethics are identical for the city council as it is for the school committee because they still have to adhere to MH General law 268a and all the other code of ethics established by the state I know what you're saying about that their procedures and ethics they're different because school committee deals with a lot of privacy issues as well they can't just come out and talk in regular
19:50session that they do in executive we're just talking about where they're positioned in here should be combined to make it user
20:09friendly right and that's where they live to a so I would make a motion go ahead a but so um you want to W to W to um can I put it yeah so before we do that I just want to I've got I'm gonna mimic section two let me go back here I'm going to mimic section 2.3 prohibitions in section 4.3 yes but change the city council to school
20:44committee yes and sub and take out the reference to 28 because that only applies to the the school it only applies 28 only applies to the city council we're not even talking about 28 yeah right and we're striking 47 okay so we struck 47 we're obviously not adding a 920 right um and then 28 we haven't talked about U no that applies to the city council that applies to the city
21:11council it has to stay that's in the legislative branch section so we don't need to touch it correct isn't included in the school committee prohibitions because as far as I know they don't have any so that can stay as right and four 23 and 43 don't deal with 28 at all right so 2 three stays as it is a and b only adding to b a reference to Mass General law yeah we
21:43w we refer in in two in 23b and in 43b we would reference Mass General law 268 big a conduct of public officials and employees what is it conduct uh mgl small C 268 big a conduct of public officials and employees how you reference it so you know a and or abide by or adhere to is that laying out what that prohibited from doing no why are we putting that in because because it doesn't reference it
22:31in the original charter in their Mass general laws that govern how they're supposed to behave an act um and when somebody says well they can do that or they can't do that the charter is referencing what they can and can't by telling the reader you before you make a big Ruckus about that go read 268a instead of writing 268a all out it's a like you know how we reference the declaration of rights in the
23:03Massachusetts instead of I got it yeah in it it'll be you know what I mean the reader will or whoever wants to challenge a behavior they'll know so do we want to have do we just want to put reference that and that's it or do you want to say that the count City councilors are to abide by and school committee how do you want to word that we can't tell them must abide by any
23:30yeah well I think um except for employee
23:43interference interference Administration maybe this includes um any statutory requirements in mgl 268a or something like that see 268a has everything like from taking bribes or you know or the same thing or you know having a DPW worker come cut your lawn I mean it it really does delineate remember the ethics class we took that's kind of the stuff under 268a um so interference with this includes I
24:19don't know like when did we take an ethic before we started before we started this we did on oh that that's that's yeah okay Paul I mean how do you how do you add that in there is it like this includes any statutory regulations prolongated in 268a I'm looking at the notes from the last meeting and I think that um I'm sorry the January 29th meeting and I think that what we've discussed today
24:57would probably require new motions and vote what did that say because we eliminated sections 47 and 23b and I believe based on the discussion we're keeping those sections making some changes well we're we're getting rid of 47 we're keeping 23 A and B but I think Tracy you were getting ready to make a motion but we wanted Clarity yeah I wanted to clarify what we were doing with those sections because
25:26there's if we remove four s which is fine then we're going to have to either Reen numerate 48 to 47 no it it becomes 43b no no no we're removing a section 47 that means there will be no 47 yeah that moves everything up well you change you just changed the numbers well we can either say that 48 we're going to have to say 48 is now 47 or we're going to leave 47 as intentionally
25:53omitted 48 doesn't have anything to do with them though no no I understand oh the number yes there's going to be a section that is no longer so go from 46 to 48 so just make section 48 section 47 we can just we have to be by motion it's not a clerical thing no okay no I thought it was clerical no it's just do we want to do that or do we want to
26:14leave it as intentionally omitted but what Paul's saying is we made a motion and it passed that we eliminated 23b and 47 so the first motion has to be to reinstitute 23b correct right and and leave that motion from January at eliminating 47 as it's written and making 4748 language right yeah so I make a motion to reinstate 23b uh with a reference to 268a um and um do we I'll stop stop there I'll stop there
27:02okay a motion is made second made by Paul seconded by Dan all in favor I I motion passes unanimously so 2 three a is fine B is back adds a reference yeah to 268a I think the language that this includes uh the statutory um framework promulgated in Mass General Law chapter 268a does that sound like some like it has to be in a sentence not just hey reference it has to be in a
27:45sentence why is it there and all I'm saying is that it can be after publicly or privately all actions shall comply with the requirement of general laws chapter 268 a there you go there's a motion to add all actions say it again I forgot all actions shall comply with Mass General law 268a conduct of public officials and employees yes there's a motion to add on TW 2 d3b the sentence all actions shall comply with Mass
28:22General law 268a and we're also going to make a motion to add that to can we one motion at a time we'll do it one at a time so there's a motion who made the motion I made the motion I'll second it okay so motion is made that the sentence be added all actions shall comply with Mass General law 268 code of conduct what the man the official title of that conduct
28:47of public officials conduct of public officials and employees has been made by Reena seconded by Kathy all in favor I motion passes unanimously now there's a another motion to add to section 43 as it stands to make that a and then section B will be the language will be the language except for article 2-8 so section 4 through 3B there's a motion that the language in 43b interference with
29:35administration because right now 43b the title of it the a should be holding other City positions right and then there's a motion for B to be interference with Administration and it would read the school committee or any member thereof shall not give orders or directions to any employee of the school department Department appointed by the superintendent either private publicly or privately all actions shall comply
30:05with mgl 268a this motion only refers to the school committee correct okay there's a motion to make 43b read the school committee or any member thereof shall not give orders a directions to any employee of the school department appointed by the superintendent either publicly or privately period all actions shall comply with mgl 268a made by Reena is there a second all in favor motion
30:43passes so now 47 has an a that reads holding other City positions no yes 43 has 43 43 prohibitions a reads holding other City positions and B is interference with admin ation okay and that motion passes and then there is a motion previously voted on in past that we strike 47 do you think we need to do that again by its own motion I that would be EAS cleaner
31:13so I make a motion to strike the current 47 and replace filling of vacancies that's the new 47 second any more discussion all in favor motion passes unanimously all right so eight is out and 48 is 47 and and there's no more 48 on and 43 is A and B all righty all right thank you we're hang on I'm talking to myself uhoh I just did something to my something happened to my Charter
32:15here there's the front of it oh here it is all right um that was one of my questions um the other thing was on section 21 filling of vacancies um if a vacancy shall occur on the city council vacancy filled descending order votes received blah blah blah blah blah I'm going to Second sentence the candidate will have 72 hours to decide did we change that number no or did we kept it
32:4972 we voted to make it 72 oh okay all right thank you it didn't have it didn't have okay I just it was a question I had I wasn't sure and then I'll go down the line um and then I'll shut up I'll go through where I made notes and then I promise I won't say another word I put question marks where I had a question um on on Section 9-5 periodic review of
33:26ordinances no lat than August 1st at 5year interviews in each year ending in a three and an eight did we ever even um did we change that my because here's my my issue when they do stuff like that it's so confusing why can't it just say every five years or something I I didn't understand no later than August 1 at fivey year intervals in each year ending in three and eight it it could be that
33:56they did that people might not know where it starts like where does the fiveyear Mark start so if by identifying the years then it can't be Mis cont when that five years starts so in 2023 they would have supposed to have done it and then again five years later in 2028 and then five years later in 2023 5 years later in 20 38 38 thank you I agree with you it five years every five years sounds
34:30better but when you think about it and you got a whole new task of people coming in's the five years start and end then documents where this clearly outlines what years it is okay all righty it was just kind of a and then the second paragraph um when we went through the whole um Charter we made it a point uh this review shall be made by a special committee to consist of seven members
34:58all of whom should be voters in the city remember how we changed it to um like City resident voters like we we changed it because remember it was like oh there could be voters from everywhere and this says voters in the city that shouldn't it say that reside in the city you can't vote in the city if you don't reside in the city well what if I'm uh what if I'm
35:19a uh I don't know I I just know that in other sections we clear change it to Residents and City voters what section is this um 95 second paragraph second paragraph it just says all of whom shall be voters in the city um all of them shall be City residents and registered voters right that's what I wanted to say because we made it a point to change it when we were talking about um uh qualifying for
35:53elected office remember it just said any voter could run and we made a point to add a city resident registered voter um so if we could just make that change there too so I make a motion that it say what what is it going to say City residents and and registered voters right so this would be this review shall be made by a special committee that consists of seven members all of whom
36:19shall be City residents and registered voters in the city correct that's my motion is there a second I'll second uh any further discussion all in favor so one second okay so that means in order to F on a board or commission or some special committee which this would be as I take it this is just the ordinance committee to review the ordinances you're saying that in order maybe I'm going too technical but
36:54I look at that as a special committee or a board or commission you're saying that you would have to be a registered voter to sit on a committee like that yes that's what it says now I just want to clarify the language that they are City residents and registered voters because it reads now all of whom shall be voters in the city because we we changed the language I'll show you where we changed
37:23it when we were reviewing um uh what qualifications why should you have to be a registered voter in order to sit on that Committee of M question well that's already in here that language was in here that doesn't mean I voted for it I like it being registered voters that are City residents um I make a motion to keep the phrase um resident and regist second any further discussion all in favor I no all
38:10opposed so one two three four five in favor one opposed motion passes and to confirm it I'll say all of whom shall be residents and registered voters in the yes okay um hang on special that's for that special review of the they they started when the first CH commission was still going through it so I had section 96 periodic review of the charter the problem with this is this special Charter committee
38:59was not selected by this time frame we um we did not even get appointed until six months after that may date but right we should have been appointed by that time by that time frame so right and so I you know I I certainly think there should be a time frame but you know do we do we fix this to I don't know do we make it more vague do we give
39:31him more time did should you give him Leroy Le I don't know well what happened when they violated the provisions with this committee nothing right there's going to be some teeth who's going to be reinfor no but I mean it's it's you know and if you say within 2023 as the charter reads within 2023 yeah just six months later because the report was supposed to be submitted by August 11 months later I
40:07mean if so it said no later than May 1 in the fifth year following this we were not we came in we came in in January right was our first meeting which means that uh right June July August September October November December January we were eight months later eight month months that this already should have been done which means we can't comply with the um and then it says file its
40:35Report with the city clerk no later than August 1st in the year following so we we might be able to comply with that process is supposed to conclude must conclude by August 1 to be in compliance correct and it's supposed to be on the agenda before August 15th in that this year so I think TimeWise we're still okay I'm just like so if we were supposed to be appointed in May of
41:022020 two we should have had the report in by August of 2023 we didn't get appointed till January of 2023 our report is going in but by the charter in August of 2024 because it's the following year right the committee shall shall no later than the August 1st of the following year so we'll be in compliance but we're not in compliance with the charter right now but not our
41:36fault am am are you following me yeah we can our so why does that I say that we should change this language in the future there should be a review every five years right and this describes what that review is and hopefully it'll be in compliance I'm just like like maybe not by May 1 I mean if if a mayor takes office in in January you have to you have to remember
42:10too though that that language was based on the passage of the original Chada in November of 2017 so isn't it just easier every five years and leave about this May August thing well give some structure and there's also going to be the difference is there's going to be an ordinance um a charter committee right and they can certainly send a reminder that hey you need to start appointing the special
42:45Charter committee people all right so just leave it I would and hopefully in the future becomes comply with itut all right and then here's my last question enforcement section 914 enforcement of the charter Provisions we were going to fix that so far we have a three member committee right yeah but it that it didn't make it in here because we didn't make a motion we talked about having a
43:20three member grievance committee right we didn't even motion to put the three we didn't because we we were going to like think about it and come back with language I know there was going to be language as the as to some possible penalties but I thought I thought we created the committee itself yeah because here's my problem with this looking at how things happened in the city before one of my issues was
43:50I thought the mayor himself was violating the charter and it the first line is it shall be to the duty of the mayor to see that the charter is Faithfully followed and that all City agencies and city employees comply with it I I don't think it's just up to the mayor I think every I have a no yeah we said the mayor and all elected officials okay did we pass that by motion I don't
44:14think so I had that's the notes I have written on mine I don't the mayor is the chief executive officer responsible for the entire running and elected as such the entire city no I I know that but the president of the United States doesn't file every civil rights violation when somebody violates the Constitution any elected official any citizen people can move forward yeah I have the same note that we were going to
44:42add and all elected officials I think it's up to all elected officials to make sure that the charter is Faithfully followed we we certainly discussed a charter grievance committee that any Resident can can file a complaint alleging it but I think we should add that any elected official should also make sure that we're abiding by the charter I mean the city council itself when it started screaming for the
45:08superintendent to come down I thought was kind of a charter violation looking back at our minutes I believe that we did vote to establish grievance committee but I don't think we defined it further than that yeah we just said that if we added and all elected officials after the mayor in that first sentence see my notes I don't have that I just have that we estab may 15th we voted unanimously to establish a charter
45:41grievance committee that committee would hear Grievances and file a report on any alleged violations right I my notes from that have on the N section 914 um I put we need update and we need new words and I knew that that meant that but we never took a vote on adding all elected officials so I make a motion that after mayor that we add and all elected officials that's my motion right now I'll second that I'm
46:16gonna yeah we can talk yeah um why wouldn't we oh okay it does say city employees have to comply yes Dan go ahead if you if you work at if you have heard the old for elected officials it says that they have to uphold the Constitution the ordinances of the city of for River to me that would include the the chat so I I don't think that language is needed in there because it's in there
46:52o I do yeah I agree I think it needs to be in there because that is precisely the problem with this Charter it makes it sound like it it's just the duty of the mayor and they take an oath but if it's in the charter it's all their duties the man takes the same off right and he's the only one mentioned so the motion is to add in all elected officials just after mayor I you
47:17know but then what do you do in the next sentence where it says whenever it appears to the mayor that a city agency or city employee so you're saying it's their Duty so I think throughout that paragraph then do you need to add that wherever it states mayor because then you're saying whenever it appears to the mayor or any elected official or any elected official I think it I think so then it would be
47:40and whenever it appears to the mayor or any other elected official that a city agency or city employees is failing to follow this Charter the mayor or any elected official shall in writing cause notice to be given to such City agency or city employee directing compliance with the charter if it shall appear to the city council that the mayor is not personally following the charter the
48:01city council shall by resolution direct the attention of the mayor to those areas that they believes there's a failure to comply the procedures made available in 231a of the general laws that should be Mass general laws may be used to determine the rights duties status or other legal relations arising under this Charter including any question of construction or validity which may be involved in such deter
48:26mintion and I mean we're talking about you know adding a charter grievance committee this might just be a and then B will be that you know or we create a new section with the Charter One one issue yeah with this provision um it says the mayor shall give written notice if he believes the charter is vied if you include and any other City employee that means a city counselor could give notice to someone in the park
49:01Department I think that the procedure should be that another city elected official gives the mayor notice notice of the what they perceive to be the violation right yeah that I can yeah it needs to be sort of it needs to be streamlined to one person that reporting structure should be going to person right to the mayor right so then it should it shall be the duty of the mayor or and or any other elected
49:35official to see that the charter is Faithfully followed and that all City agencies and city employees comply with it whenever it appears to the mayor that a city agency well no there you could put whenever it appears to the mayor or and any other elected official is fail that a city agency or the employees is failing to follow this Charter just the mayor gives the notice right is what you're saying
50:06yes the written notice should come from the mayor just from the mayor right so whenever it accept except when it's the city council saying that the mayor corre not file the but and you know what they do too though they give a procedure they have to do a resolution so they going to get together we're going to send we're going to send notice to the mayor's foll in the charter because that
50:28third third sentence does that so the first one could read it shall be the duty of the mayor or any elected official to see that the charter is Faithfully followed and that all City agencies and city employees comply whenever it appears to the mayor can I can I just stop you there can we leave it though I don't think in that first sense it should be the mayor or it should be the mayor and all
50:55elected officials right I'm sorry did I say I meant and so it shall be the duty of the mayor and all elected officials to see but then the second sentence should be whenever it appears to the mayor or or any any other elected official then I think then the rest is okay the mayor shallon
51:23writing it should be notice should be provided to the mayor May and the mayor sends it in writing that's need that second sentence needs to be two separate sentences right sense yeah so be it shall be the duty of the mayor and any elected officials to see that the charters Faithfully followed and that all City agencies and cities comply whenever it appears to the mayor or any elected official that a city
51:50agency or city employee is failing to follow the charter the mayor should be notified period and the mayor shall in writing cause notice to be given right yes it's two sentences so it clearly delineates the reporting stru right elected officials and the mayor the elected officials let the mayor know the mayor is the only one that sends something in writing right okay so I have whenever it appears to the mayor or
52:23any elected official that a city agency or a city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor shall be notified in period in writing right y the mayor shall shall in writing CA cause notice to be given to such City agency or city employee directing compliance with the charter correct that's the motion it doesn't sound right though you're telling the mayor to notify the mayor in
52:47writing no it's a this Comm is there okay whenever it appears to read that again Tim um whenever it appears to the mayor or any elected official that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor shall be notified in writing period period no comma in between shall and in writing it just means that the city official if they become aware of it lets the mayor know
53:12in writing but we're saying whenever it appears to the mayor or an elected official the mayor shall in writing no we're take we're you're just we're adding notify the mayor in writing yeah but if it's the mayor he has to notify himself there's a new one there's another one down there that talks about the city council supp it's the maying there's a sentence if it if it appears to the city council the mayor is
53:38not following it the city council shall by resolution it's a different procedure to put the mayor on notice saying whenever it appears okay take out the way we're changing whenever it appears to the mayor or or an elected official that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this charge then what do we say the mayor shall be notified in writing okay so whenever it appears to the mayor we're saying the
54:03mayor shall be notified if the city council thinks somebody's violating Charter they send notice to the mayor and it's only the mayor that puts on writing two separate sentences though we should say whenever we are making it two separate sentences the first sentence is going to be it shall be the duty of the mayor in any elected official to see that the charter is Faithfully followed and that
54:24all City agencies and city employees comply with its Provisions right period that part whenever it appears to the mayor or an elected official that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor shall be notified in writing period the mayor then shall in writing cause notice to be given to such City or city employee directing compliance with the charter I I mean I I get what you're
54:54saying like grammatically but I we're just saying whenever it appears to the mayor that he has to then he has to submit to the mayor in writing that's what I'm saying could we just say whenever it appears to the mayor that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor shall in writing cause no leave that sentences is but then add a sentence that says whenever it appears
55:15to an elected official that a city agency he shall notify the mayor in writing and the mayor shall submit it I mean but but then where do they go from there then we're making two sentences because we only want the mayor to give notice to the person whenever it appears to the mayor or an elected official that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor
55:38shall be noticed I I I mean oh I hear what you're saying it it doesn't really um so yeah but at the same time even if the mayor were to write something to himself or herself it's really not if it Chang leave it no I just don't know if we need to add and then what happens once they once the May gives the notice like we're going to do the grievance committee and the and the um
56:08penalties but um I don't we um what I would suggest maybe is a final sentence in this section before we get to the Rens committee is that all notices of violations shall be public records maintained by the city cler oh yeah absolutely okay let's that's a motion well wait a minute we we we are still on these first sentences yeah so there's a motion to add and elected officials after the
56:51first sentence in the mayor that motion has been seconded any further discussion about adding and all elected officials after mayor in the first sentence no all in favor add any or add all add it shall be the duty of the mayor and all elected officials all right any further discussion no all in favor no uh Kathy we're just talking about the first sentence we're just adding the motion is just the duty of
57:24the mayor and all elected officials tra yes okay five in favor one opposed so motion passes first sentence is going to read it shall be the duty of the mayor and all elected officials to see that the charter is Faithfully followed and that all City agencies and city employees comply with the provisions period how about if we just put whenever it appears take out to the mayor that
57:56whenever it appears that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter may be mayor shall the mayor or shall be notified in writing how about this the mayor or or if notified or if whenever it appears that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor shall be notified in writing period yeah that's enough right there's a motion on the table for the second
58:26second sentence to read whenever it appears that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor shall be notified in writing period motion made yeah second seconded by Tim on any further discussion all in favor I I Dan I uh motion passes unanimously that the second sentence reads whenever it appears that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow his
58:53Charter the mayor shall be notified in writing all right yeah okay third sentence one quick question yeah who who notify the mayor V whoever thinks that somebody's violating anybody can any elected any elected official well we're going to let no but anybody can file an alleged Charter violation anybody who lives in Fall River should be able to make a charter violation complaint okay
59:23but that's but those are going to go to the Charter grief and yes yes not directly to the mayor so and then the mayor shall in writing cause notice to be given to each City agency or city employee directing compliance with the charter that's the third sentence so the motion is that the third sentence shall read the mayor shall uh provide written notice to such City agency or city employee directing
1:00:02compliance right or some version of that yeah for the third sentence say it back the mayor shall in writing caus notice to be given to such City agency or city employee directing compliance with the charter period That's a motion right yeah Dan second all in favor I motion passes unanimously for the third sentence to read the mayor shall in writing cause notice to be given to such
1:00:27City agency or city employee Direct in compliance with the charter okay and then the fourth sentence stays yep the fifth sentence stays we I had a note on the fourth sentence I'm finally it just says if it shall appear to the city council that the mayor we had changed it to is not adhering to the Char instead of following well we it did say that the mayor personally is not
1:00:56following the charter and I think I have a note that we changed that to that the mayor is not adhering to the Charter is that a motion I guess I don't know why I can't remember one word no we're taking out personally not following and and replacing with is not adhering it sounds a little bit more professional I think I think so not following if it shall appear to the city council that the
1:01:23mayor is not adhering to the Charter yeah yes second any further discussion that the fourth sentence shall read if it shall appear to the city council that the mayor is not adhering to the Charter the city council by resolution direct the attention of the mayor to those areas in which it believes there's a failure to comply motion made by Kathy seconded by Reena any further discussion all in favor I motion
1:01:52passes for the fourth sentence to read sorry if it shall okay do I have to read it again does everybody know I mean I'll read want to read it if it shall uh if it shall appear to the city council that the mayor is not adhering to the Charter the city council shall by resolution direct the attention of the mayor to those areas in which it believes there is a failure to comply with the charter
1:02:14period okay will you restate your motion about the city wait a minute just one second just one second the procedure made by those areas in which it believes there's a failure to comply with the charter that that's all the procedures made available in chapter 231a of the Mass general laws I think it should say the Mass general laws it just says general laws may be used to determine the rights
1:02:41Duty status or other legal relations arising under this Charter including any question of construction or validity which may be involved in such determination I thought that that sentence should be incorporated in the grievance one or does it stay
1:03:13there like enforcement we just discussed it we decided who and how right then wouldn't the next section be the charter grievance committee and then that sentence lays out the procedures the membership and how they do it I just thought that the procedure part would go in that section with the charter grievance committee and then the part with and then that ends with all Grievances and complaints are public
1:03:44record maintained with the clerk right are you following me you had a separate I don't know what what section we talk about well so this is titled enforcement of Charter Provisions the first four senten just talk about enforcement right yes now we're moved to the discussion of the charter grievance compl committee right and the very last sentence is talking about the procedures I just thought that that sentence goes
1:04:10into the charter grievance committee because the charter grievance committee is really all about the procedure right so and that's the last sentence of the first paragraph it would be small B right 914 current provision that we just talked about that would be 914a a yes oh we're going to make an A and A B B and a c b is going to be the discussion of the grievance committee and C we move down the procedures made
1:04:44available would go to C would go to C that would be my suggestion okay what would so that the procedures of General law to 231a would apply to both the administration review Charter as well as the grievance committee committee see the last sentence talks about the procedures the procedures made available in chapter 3 to 31a of the general law Mass general laws we're talking about
1:05:15procedures now but we're going to go to the grievance committee and we close with these procedures this above stuff the procedures and that's our closing section so we want to move that to section c I have a note too and did we put it in here about the terms of office for the grievance committee we haven't done anything with the grievance committee The Proposal is to make what we just
1:05:43talked about is small a small B Charter grievance committee put it all in there b is that sentence the procedures made available is C because it closes out the enforcement in the charter grievance you know we could also do a d which would be um making all grievances Charter grievances Public public records so I make a motion that we include D that all griev Charter grievances become public records become
1:06:21public records maintained by the city second any further discussion making small D the grievance sentence public records all in favor I motion passes unanimously that small D is going to be read it all Charter grievances will become public record maintained by the city clerk thank you and once that public record some member of the public could access well and not only that I think it
1:06:51keeps it from frivolous stuff too you know because if you're going to file a complaint name and address has to be on there and if you start being crazy with stuff they going to be exposed right exactly anyway so B uh small b um look can we have some language for our Charter grievance committee well right now it's in order to promote enforcement right a three member agreement small a is small n N4
1:07:20small a is the stuff we've just done except for the last sentence all we said so far with three member committee right yeah no we have here one member the no we have where vot on it though we didn't vote on any of that so we need the language do how about some proposed language so wait what's in here we didn't vote on no we did not we did not vote by motion any final Charter
1:07:45grievance committee and I need a sentence small B how about in order to promote enforcement of the charter Provisions a three member agreement committee shall be established one member of this wait a minute wait a minute I'm not writing that fast in order to promote go ahead but it's in the thing where is it section 914 the paragraph there not a grievance committee in the what am I looking I don't
1:08:12know so in order to promote I have it as the second paragraph in section 914 we probably discussed it we never I don't have that I don't have it either the language you and everything all right so read it slowly in order to promote enforcement of the charter Provisions wait a minute wait a minute enforcement of the charter I can type it too if you want Provisions go ahead a thre member grievance
1:08:44committee shall be established nice how do I I keep going one member of this committee shall be appointed by the mayor yep one by the city council yep and one by minut and one by the school committee nice keep this is a motion by the way keep no but is that the same so there's one down in 9:15 similar to that right the review shall be made by special
1:09:15so no is that's nothing to do with this okay so so do you have the I don't have that so let's one member if you could go slow sure one member of this committee shall shall be appointed by the mayor yeah one by the city council and one by the school committee keep going and then um so this is what's in here and then I there's no you know what you have I'm
1:09:48GNA tell you what you have I don't know what I have this look at it's even in here this was the one I printed JZ I didn't get that in mine either special copy I thought maybe that was one of the public comments and then at each meeting so then it says at each meeting there will be an opportunity for public comment oh all right wait one second I just want to interrupt once can we add
1:10:16that they um the three the they have to be registered um residents registered voters and residents of Fall River I don't want somebody from Somerset coming over here and filing a charter VI they should well then I don't like I like Somerset like finish this but then let's at it because I think the other thing we said was missing was that um the terms of office so we could say they need to
1:10:47be resident City residents and serve the term of office of whatever so then the last sentence I had at each meeting there will be an opportunity for public comment and the committee will produce a written report concerning each alleged chart of violation and then I had a note it's not in copy add language around meeting within s to 14 days I and then I also had terms of office terms of oh wait a minute that's from
1:11:21the January Charter you're reading from the January Charter in order to promote enor yeah yeah yeah so did we take it out of the April one no what happened was that when I redid the charter um I lost oh okay I lost the I found it problem with the doctum yeah yeah all right so small B um and so uh small B there's a motion to start it out with in order to promote
1:12:01enforcement of the charter Provisions a three member grievance committee shall be established one member of the committee shall be appointed by the mayor one by the council one by the school committee all members shall be registered voters and residents of the city yes and Shall Serve for a term of two years right it goes in and out with the elections right for a two-year term right memb Shall Serve for a twoyear
1:12:36term yeah why why are we putting a ter of off uh you want the same grievance people sitting there for a 100 no I know I I don't know how long I just said two because of how the term limits that we have in there for everybody else we go long I mean does it doesn't matter to me I just did it because that was what we had for everybody I'm not necessarily I'm just I
1:13:03just pulled the number because that that was our limits so if we're putting a term on though do we have to put like a start date of when this grievance committee has to be established it should be established in January of the uh of a general election year right I wouldn't do we have elections every two years I wouldn't go that far yeah I wouldn't either I'd rather leave it out I'd rather leave that language
1:13:28out is there a general provision that a board member sits for a limited period of time depending on the board like I'm on the disability commission okay we're appointed by the mayor confirmed by the city council the first time you're ever appointed it uh and this is done by uh 40 section 8j of the Massachusetts General law that governs the terms for the uh disability Commission in in state
1:14:05law the first time you were appointed it's uh your term is either one two or three years at the discretion of the appointing authority if you're appointed a second time regardless of what your term was for your original appointment what once you're appointed a second time all succeeding terms are for three years but every board and commission I think or most are governed by some general war in
1:14:45Massachusetts yeah I think I think that people have to be reappointed they do and and I thought it was a two-year ter yeah all right age so two-year term registered voter resident of Fall River um three term two-year term um I think that they should be able to to somewhat meet and and once they get the notice right like there should be a form at the city clerk that says Charter grievance form your name
1:15:25what you think they're violating and you send it in and then the city clerk says hey I got a complaint and but I mean I don't want I don't think all that needs to be there but I think there needs to be some kind of procedure for it I mean absolutely and then I think that the when that when they get together you know I I don't I mean well I would think that that
1:15:50committee grievance committee would establish the appropriate procceed appropriate procedures I think it would be inappropriate for us I I but they but we have to put in there that you know how are they getting their complaints right we we have to put something in there that upon receiving a written complaint they shall establish procedures right so maybe we should put in the after twoyear term they'll
1:16:16they'll they can they upon receiving their a written complaint of an alleged Charter violation within 7 to 10 days they should meet and greet well I think they should meet in to days is overing all right should within s to 14 days they should establish a date upon receiving the written violation would you not agree that all the the this Charter grievance committee all that meetings should be public right
1:16:48so upon re there's also there also an indication that there's public comment right so upon receiving a a written complaint um alleging a charter violation they should what was it again within seven to 10 days me seven to they should establish a meeting date seven to a meeting date shall be established within seven to 10 days I mean I suppose I could say well we it's August or rather
1:17:26I want to meet on August 8th I I I actually think that they if if we're talking about having a meeting with public comment I think they should have 30 days to do that I think once this committee gets their written complaint they're gonna have to call we're have to call each other and say hey what day are you good what day are you good hey city clerk we need a room when and where can
1:17:49we meet call everybody back we can only meet this day I just think it would take 30 days really to kind of do that days sounds because trust me the rooms fill up and um getting a quum becomes an issue although I I hope it wouldn't be an issue that much with three if you don't you only need two to me well um they're going to be able to decide what they want to
1:18:17do right right but a quum for a public meeting with three members a quum is two that's all say oh I hear what you're saying so it would only be two of them so upon re receiving a written complaint alleging a charter violation um a meeting date should be set within 30 days uh with that three member panel right so you want me to read what I yes and then we can kind of go from there
1:18:43okay so I have section B in order to promote enforcement of the charter Provisions a three member grievance committee shall be established one member of this committee shall be appointed by the mayor one by the city council and won by the school committee all appointed members Shall Serve for a two-year term and must be registered voters and residents of the city within 7 to 10 business days upon receiving a
1:19:03written complaint of an alleged Charter violation the committee shall schedule a meeting date not more than 30 days from receiving such complaint to discuss such violation at each meeting there shall be opportunity for public comment and the committee shall produce a written report concerning each alleged Charter violation beautiful sounds great to me is that a motion if I have to yes
1:19:26again Paul seconds it any further discussion all in favor motion passes and then is C the penalty part or does the grievance committee decide any penalties I think the committee on or do we just put in C penalties can be a public reprimand and up to th000 fine I mean don't you you have to give some kind of notice for a penalty so I think it has to be in the charter no I
1:20:00don't think we should put any penalties in the charter well we can't we can't not there has to be a notice provision trust me on that one there's got to be a notice provision penalties can range from a a public you know a written reprimand up to,000 fine you have to have notice in here of the violation is going to be going to deter I'm saying it all I'm saying is
1:20:27that if you are going to have a penalty that there has to be notice for the penalty right okay but what what is what are you relying on to say that you don't know it's a crime unless the law is written that the crime is this there's always notices because because it's a penalty it's either going to hit you in the pocket or you know publicly you know chastise you
1:20:58there should be a penalty and one of the number one public input grievances were there's no bite to this Charter where are the penalties for violating it and the answer always is there's none so so but there's got to be some statute or something that defines what penalties can be imposed because then you can just arbitrarily choose a penalty well someone can I don't know who that would so you do so
1:21:31let's say it's a city agency that's in violation how are you going to find them $ thousand dollar well the grievance committee I mean is doing it out all I'm saying is that we give them a big enough range they can do really what they want I I I think we may want to at some point establish a penalty but I think we need to do some research to determine whether not what penalties are are
1:21:57available or do we leave it open for the grievance committee you know to say penalties well because I think it needs to be in the charter that the penalty needs to be in in our city law because the charter are city law I'm just thinking that we need to do some research ask Corporation Council yeah all righty so I I would leave that leave C kind of open and then D is the uh
1:22:23public record record so we're fine we just have to research see the penalty portion of this right or do we add something about this grievance committee being able to establish their own operating procedures or do we leave that out well we can add that after we find out what what the penalty phase is law St because especially if they change every two years I mean like right you might get one that was
1:22:52all I had for notes is there anybody else that has notes on areas they want to review that was my uh that was my little note thing we talked about this all right I got to three or four time I'm going to try one more time in elections signatures for elected office we are at a 100 now I'm going to try one more time go ahead to go down to 50 reach
1:23:27office I'm going to Second your motion Dan we talked about this on the radio we did we talked about this a number of places I know and uh I'm with you I'm seconding it but no wait we already dropped it it was originally what 2 it was three it was it was different it was 301 location 150 it was in the former chter then with this new chter it
1:24:00went from 50 to 300 from there from 50 to 150 city council and from 50 to 150 for school committee we brought it down to 100 we did yep but for every office which is the same that's required for State office right yeah and so we did I think we based it on the state right yes we did I'm second in Dan's motion for 50 there been a lot of public discussion on
1:24:34radio I've gotten a lot of calls on this 50 worked well before the passage of the old CH yeah it was it used to be 50 used to be very low and the ballot was full of names and I liked that but and that's why I've changed my position on that because I voted for the 100 and I was part of that discussion to keep it across the board and then but what's the rationale for 50
1:24:59then it encourages 100 we can cited that we're we're aligning to the state there doesn't have to be a rationale for every thing that we do it's just like I just think it encourages more participation I I I I have reversed my position on it because I I think that it encourages more people people each nomination sheet has 20 spots on it and um when you get your signatures you've usually got to
1:25:36get double that because if they can't read it it doesn't qualify some people from tivan will sign a Fall River one they're not don't even live like people see it you know and so you have to get double that and um so if you have to get 50 you really have to fill out um you got to get a 100 because half never qualify as valid and I like the idea
1:26:02of anybody being able to run quite frankly I'm with it the time for getting signatures it's and I'm not Su I'm not I don't even know if we have the ability to change that time frame I'm not suggesting we do that a lot of those election time frames are set by state war and election War that's fine but the time for getting signatures is relatively short so if you have to get a
1:26:30100 you should conceivably at least get three to 400 that's my opinion based on having run for office based on having been involved in different aspects of Elections you can't go in there with10 105 because you ain't getting on the B yeah it's it is time consuming I mean right now people there's two preliminaries today Somerset and Swansea right Westport yeah and so most people running for this November election are
1:27:08standing outside all those voting places getting their votes if you run for State office your campaign committees are much larger you're running for State meaning that you probably have 20 to 50 volunteers who are all going out and working for you local elections are not afforded volunteers like that you're lucky if you can get your mom your dad and your cousin to hold a sign for you
1:27:37sometimes right so I you know I really thought about it and local elections your volunteer committee to elect Dan is much smaller than your committee to elect a State Rep and so that means that personally you're out there getting all your signatures and it is time consuming if you've ever if you've ever tried to run it is I'm with you Dan you convinced me I seconded your motion any further
1:28:11discussion we'll put it to a vote all in favor of making the 100 signatures 50 I'll start from my left all in favor yes Dan andena all opposed opposed opposed I want to keep it at 100 opposed oo Trace yeah okay uh motion fails oppos opposed opposed four opposed two in favor yeah but I think 100 is a fa so well even then maybe this is an opportunity for the next review to if it
1:28:57it is something where see what happens with yeah this is a big reduction and not to say that it's not for the right reason but at least we can say that we did it to follow you know State the state you know how that's working now and then if the next committee decides that you know what it would be good to add to make it even easier um I that's yeah all right is there any other
1:29:28business I mean does anybody have any areas that they want to review um we have um two research penalties our meetings are scheduled um and that seems to be the only section we need to really um research and look at so if that that's all said and done do I have a motion to adjourn or I have a question okay sorry I'm sorry no no it's not a big one I didn't see you no sorry
1:30:01it's not it's not a big one either um I've been looking through this Charter and I've noticed some inconsistencies with capitalization on yeah and I know we had started the this whole Charter with discussions on that um and are we going to capitalize the mayor or is it going to be lower case I know that we left grammatical the city I know well but it's a little different with with this particular yeah one um so
1:30:34I don't or how it's being used in the charter um because mayor as the person and then mayor as the job a position the position I think are two very distinct things and should be showcased throughout the the charter one way or the other so I just don't want go in I think it's the same for city council and school committee person too I think there's I think capitalization is required when you're
1:31:01talking about the person well the thing with the city council is it's going to be a city councilor or a member of the city council and school committee would be school committee member or member of the school you know what I mean so the mayor is kind of an odd one because the mayor job and the mayor person are exactly the same wording um so I I don't
1:31:22I just want to make sure that as I go through and edit this a little bit that we're all clear on if mayor is going to be capitalized for the idea that it is the person and the job is lowercase or and we we did discuss we did having our final finish project reviewed by like an English or grammar person right didn't we discuss that in the beginning I mean
1:31:47we never asked for a dime if the last Charter review got 40 Grand what's a few hundred to have a grammar profession review it you know what I mean like you say you had grate stud professional yeah so I could but our time is running out because semester ends oh okay so I mean I could ask for names work in the summer yeah I I do I I think not that you guys wouldn't be able
1:32:19to do it but I I know that we discussed having it just reviewed for syntax grammar and that issue CU Who would know better where you call it mayor or mayor right well because I it's always in the context of the I don't think it's necessarily that I think it's just the way it is in here there's some sections where it is and it's not and it should be so if you guys if everyone's okay I
1:32:47will go through it and make those corrections I think that's perfect and certainly if we do want to have it reviewed later that is 100% fine but I just don't want to start making little changes and then it kind of throws them like I always thought city of Fall River should be all caps in all areas I mean uh but that that's just how I would use it but then again there's times where
1:33:09the city is not the city it's a city correct yes so I get it so I can I can definitely go through that I did notice it a few times and I just wanted to make sure if we want to now that we've gotten to this point it's a perfect time to go through it and start making these little so um you know and uh I'm but we gave you guys that artistic discretion yes we
1:33:29voted I just want to I just want very early it's been a long time you guys were going to have some artistic discretion okay with that stuff all right that's that's all I wanted to know when is the next meeting and what what is the uh that's a good question there does somebody have is it April 22nd so if we can meet April 22nd it'll just be on the Limited penalty portion of the
1:33:55grievance committee paragraph small C so in theory unless you going to raise that motion again about 50 versus 100 in theory we have three members absent today uh they may have something they want to review I'll check with them and I gave you my I'm not here on the 22nd right so I think I'll limit the agenda on the second just two penalties yeah because um why not right unless somebody emails me I
1:34:31like an email ago out I um Corporation Council said we don't have to publish in the newspaper public hearings for this um and that's why I reserve the room through July because all we have to do is I just do an agenda they post it like they post it and it's just really public com it's only public comment because the the finished document will be there and so that was my reasoning for for
1:34:56scheduling all the way out through July because I I just I wanted the room and it fills up quick all right now we have to post the full version of the CH for which the public yes which the public hearing is being created yes correct yes Corporation Council seems to think that we've already complied with that we which was my position early on we we have accept the document changes that every
1:35:32correct correct so what I'm saying is before we schedule before the public hearings we would have to post on the website somewhere I'm not saying the newspaper no I just have to pass in an agenda that's it that's all it is all I have to do is come up with an agenda for the public hearing give it to the clerk and it is gets posted no differently than the 25 previous
1:36:01meetings we've had oh right I get that but H how does the public know or see the same way they know about this that's it that's the only requirement we have I send it every version of this they have them all on the special Charter review uh on I I I don't go on our page so I don't know but I know that I send it to them regularly if we're asking people to come
1:36:32to a public hearing to comment on a on a document they got to be able to access it it's on the website and it'll be on the website next week is the is uh just on the penalty that's all next that's all that's on the agenda next week unless something pressing comes up the only thing on the agenda next week is going to be April 8 minutes will be you know the same thing
1:37:01April 8's minutes and penalty portion of the charter propos one of the three members that's not here wants to raise one they don't my understanding is everybody loves this new and improved they appre appreciate all the hard work we've done is there a motion to adjourn I make a motion to adjourn second second all in favor okay