5 15 2023 Fall River School Committee

Like to call to order the public meeting from Monday, May 15th for the public hearing in accordance with mass general laws related to the budget.

Dad, would you please call the roll? Mister Agil. Here. Mister Bailey. Mister Harp. Here.

Mister Harvey. Here. Mister Pereira. Miss Rodericks. Here.

Mayor Coogan. Here. Uh salute to the flag.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to his level with liberty against justice for all.

Pursuant to the open meeting law, any person who make an audio or video recording of this public meeting are may transmit the meeting to any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings of transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible. Uh Deb, do we have any citizen's input? We do not, ma Would anyone wish to speak

on the proposed fiscal 20 twenty-four budget for the Faller Public Schools?

I think I'm supposed to say it three times. Yes, honey. Yeah.

Again, would anyone like to comment or speak on the proposed 20 twenty-four Annual Budget of the Fall River Public Schools?

And again, the 20twenty-fourth Annual Budget of the Fall River Public Schools, would anybody like to comment? Hearing none, I would obtain a motion to adjourn. So move. I get a second. Second. Deb, would you please call the roll? Mister Agev. Yes. Mister Bailey.

Mister Harp. Yes. Miss Laravie.

Yes. Miss Pereira. Miss Rogers.

Yes.

Like to call to order the Monday, May 15th, regular meeting of the Forever School Committee. Uh Deb, would you please call the roll?

Here. Mister Bailey. Mister Hart. Here. Miss Laravie. Here.

Miss Pereira. Here. Miss Rodricks. Here. Mary Coogan.

Here. Uh salute to the flag.

And to the republic which stands, one nation under god, an invisible with liber pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio and or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting to any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and

permissible. Deb, do we have any citizen's input? No, we do not, mayor. Thank you. There are no recognition awards at this time. Uh, sub committee up dates. We have one. Yup. Um miss Laravie. Thank you, mayor.

Uh the instructional subcommittee was held on May 1st this past two one days ago, I believe, 2023, all subcommittee members were present, mister Aguia, myself, and miss Pereira. There were four items on the agenda. Uh an update of health curriculum, a discussion to vote, and referred a full committee, the MLL, Corrective Ac plan, a discussion to vote, and refer to full committee, the ELA Middle School curriculum,

adoption, and a discussion to vote and refer to full committee, the teacher, the new teacher project partnership.

Miss Sharp from the health department discussed the elementary, middle, and high school curriculums and made us aware of some recent challenges regarding scheduling issues that have affected some of our middle school population. This was discussed in length and is being addressed. Um miss Zegra discussed the associate associated cause with both. The Wonders ML, K through five curriculum in the WIDA, the

Wita model, computer-based test for first through 12th grade MLL students. It will be administered two times a year to provide teachers with current data across four language domains and monitor students progress. The sub committee voted to refer to the full committee. Miss Kennedy presented a timeline and process summary of how two ELA piloted programs amplify and springboard were used across

grade levels and at every school since twenty twenty-two.

This process was in depth that included both student and faculty surveys. Amplify was the curriculum that seventy-two point seven percent of teachers recommended. This past March, the ELA's department was awarded the Gleam Grant to support this new curriculum, the sub Committee voted to refer to the full committee.

Doctor Curley discussed the new teacher project which will include professional development capacity building, and three identified areas. A new teacher support, teacher leadership, school instructional leadership teams, the sub committee voted to refer to the full committee.

Thank you.

Next item 5 is the superintendent's report. Um miss Ponce. Thank you mister chair. I have a couple of updates for the committee. Um the first being SkillsUSA State Competition update. Um Chef Geller and Chef Michaels who serve as the adviser in Chaperone. Um had the pleasure of bringing 2-1 students to the SkillsUSA State Conference.

This conference includes a variety of opportunities for our students which includes professional development, leadership training, and skills competitions. Um I'm proud report that Durfee High School brought home quite a few medals. Eslyn Rivera placed first in culinary arts and received a gold medal. Layla Cardozo and Caden James placed first in aesthetics and received gold medals. Abdul

Basit Basit placed first in the state T shirt competition and received the gold medal.

Thousands of students who attended there competed in the states and all received one of Abdul's T shirts. Um that was his recognition Morgan Herman Gildo and Alexandria Lapointe placed second in nail care and received silver medals and Bruno Lobo, Darwin Herrera, and Millionette Barrios placed third in community service competition and received bronze medals. Congratulations to all.

These students have all put in countless hours of hard work and dedication and their hard work has paid off.

Additionally, their instructors have taken the extra time and care to prepare their students for such a journey and we them.

We can now proudly boast that Durfee has the best culinary arts, best nail care, aesthetics, and T shirt design students in the state. The gold medalists will be headed to nationals in Atlanta, Georgia in June to compete to be the first in the country, the best in the country. Each state sends a representative. Um the gold medalist for each category to compete. Durfay High School happens to have two students

representing the state and competing for nationals. To say we are proud our Hilltoppers would would be an understatement. Durfee is well represented by these fine hilltoppers. So, congratulations to all. Also, in your binders, you will find end of the year activities calendar as we approach the end of the year. Um we have created a master list of some of the end of the year activities occurring throughout the

district for your information.

They're listed by date and by school. Um these are the major events. There are lots of things going on throughout the district we invite you all to attend as many as your schedules allow. And Durfee Fields usage. I know that there was some questions regarding that. Uh if you notice, I know that there have been pictures that have been posted on social media. Um the practice football, soccer fields,

hockey softball baseball diamond field is now complete.

Gorgeous. Uh the varsity baseball field is now 80% complete. The football stadium is now 60% complete and will be delivered by May 31st. Just in time for graduation and field five, the J softball, baseball field is in design. Um we will not be renting the fields to go outside to outside vendors for the remainder of this calendar year so that we can allow our Durfee students to be the first group to use the new turf

fields. We'll resume the rental program in 20twenty-four with all vendors. It is important to note that facilities and operations we were going to look at the fee structure and offerings and hopefully bring to the facilities subcommittee and then hopefully to the full committee to look at to see if any adjustments need to be made now that we have these new fields up and running. And finally a hiring update for

this year. This is a very very busy time for us. Since our last school committee meeting, we have had fifty-one hires through this past Friday, 51 teacher 15 teachers I'm sorry.

I wish. 15 teachers. Three administrative positions. 16 paraprofessionals. 7 occasional support positions and 10 operational support positions.

Conversely, we have had 18 resignations and four, we anticipating four retirements.

In regards to recruitment, we previously shared with the committee that we had two recruitment events in the last month. One local that attracted over 50 people. We also attended the Bridgewater State University recruitment event which had over 90 attendees. Uh we have also contracted with some outside advertising including an electronic billboard at the Brockton exit on Route twenty-four. We're

hoping to bring some people on board as we try to attract some people from that area. So, we are in the midst of the hiring season and hopefully, we're going to be bringing people into our district within the next few months and that's it.

Thank you, superintendent. Any discussion? Mister Aguila.

Yeah, just related to the fields. I think one of the things that I do think they look great so that's you know we're getting I think a good bank for our dollar. One of the things that I questioned in my head and we haven't spoken about this but I think it's a real issue is the decision to make them not available to anybody in the community. Um for the year so that our students could start there.

Haven't worked in the field and worked for nonprofits and baseball leagues throughout the time. They do a service to the kids in Forever as well. And I feel like I was never asked I don't think anybody in the committee was asked. But if the feels of ready to go, they're safe, they're, you know, done.

I don't see why we wouldn't allow some of our non-profit groups that use the facility to use the facility. Some of the money came from the city on a bond for the baseball field.

But other funds came from the school department. But regardless at the end of the day, the city of Fall River feels. And I, for one, feel that decision should be looked at. Um we need to get either more facts on what happened. I don't know how it happened.

When did we tell people how whatever the the facts are but I'll speak for myself as one member of the committee. I'm not in favor of leaving perfectly good fields just for the sake of letting the deputy students play on it. We have non-profit groups and I think we should support them as well if they traditionally have always used our fields. I think it's you know sort of just inappropriate to tell them.

Sorry these fields are beautiful. Paid for by the taxpayers but we can't you can't use it for a year. Go find somewhere else. It's not as easy. Running a non-profit, baseball, basketball, soccer league, or whatever, a football league. So, I for one just want to voice my displeasure with that decision, with that I yield. Thank you. Um, next up, student comment, student delegate report, we don't have

one tonight. Um, next we have approval of minutes, items number seven. I'd like to hear a motion on approval of minutes for the special meeting of the four of a school committee on three twenty-nine, twenty-three. So moved. Second, I have a motion in second. Any discussion on three twenty-nine twenty-three. Deb, would you please call the roll? Mister I give. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes.

Mister Hart? Yes. Miss Laravie?

Yes. Miss Pereira? Yes. Mister Roderick? Yes. Mayor Coogan?

Yes. Um I'd like to have an approval in a motion on the minutes of four, three, a special meeting of the four of a school committee from April 3rd. Can I get a motion in a second? Motion to accept.

Second. I have a motion second discussion. Deb, please call the roll. Mister Agya. Yes.

Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Larvey? Yes.

Miss Carrera? Yes. Miss Rodricks? Yes. Mayor Couvin?

Yes. Mayor. Um I'll make a motion to approve seven point 3, seven point four, and seven point five. Approval of minutes. Second. I'm going to take em all at once. Okay. I got a motion. A second on the other remaining. That I. Okay.

Yeah. Is that okay? Yes. I know. Is it okay, Bruce? Yes.

Just naming the May 15th regular I'm sorry the four three regular meeting 4 ten regular regular meeting As well as the meeting and With a special meeting on four twenty-four. Alright, we have them all bundled. I have a motion and a second. Deb, could you please call the roll?

Mister Akin. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes.

Miss Laravie. Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Roberts.

Yes. Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes.

Item number eight is approval of travel requests. We have a number of travel requests. We can approve travel requests as stated. Second. A motion is second on all travel requests.

Any discussion on travel requests? Deb, would you please call the roll? Mister again.

Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Laraby. Yes.

Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Roderick. Yes. Mayor Coogan.

Yes. Mister Mayor, one question. Mister Aguilar. Just when I see the things like Canopy Lake Park and like I recall at one point there being a policy saying that all trips needed to be educational. Do we still have that? Such a policy we'll have to we have to look but at the end of the year we have people going to the zoo or to. They tie it in but we'll

we'll look at it. Yeah I just I mean I'm listen they work hard all year. I'm not trying to be a poster but I want to say we had a debate a few years back about the so if that's the case and it's violating a policy. I want the kids that fund. They earned it. They work hard but if we're violating a policy we should either switch the policy or not do the trip. Without our

yields. Item number nine is the acceptance of donations. We only have a couple of them. Um actually, we have one, two, two. Uh can I get a motion second on donations? Motion to accept. Second. I have a motion to second. On donations. Deb, would you please call the roll?

Mister Agya. Yes. Mister Bailey? Yes. Mister Hart? Yes.

Miss Laraby? Yes. Miss Pereira?

Yes. Miss Rodricks? Yes. Mayor Cougar? Yes. Um. Superintendent Ponce. On behalf of Laterno School, Principal Sean Simpson accepts donation from the Dover Church of $5, 000 to be used for classroom libraries and also on behalf of early childhood pre K. Director Kristen Farius accepts the donation of five hundred dollars from PC Plus. We thank both donors. Thank you. Item number 10 is 10. 1 is the

approval of contracts. I have one to keep. Now, if we'll do the ones that are left. If anybody has any, you let me know and I'll star them. Which one? Uh missus Harvey. The Brightview Landscapes. Okay, we'll hold Brightview Landscapes. Anybody have another one? Question? Mister.

Are these contracts for approval? As I've asked before or are these already done? Or the ones going which which ones do you have any specifically mister Aga? So what I'm what I'm asking is that. Do we already. Two, three months ago, I mentioned this that it shouldn't nothing should show up on here for our vote that has already been signed, agreed to, whatever. So, that we know what would, is it a permission

to pay? Or is it a permission to buy? To buy it or provide the service. And I think that we really, we should have done this already, but it should be very clear. These are, these are the ones who are just asking for the payment. This is these are the ones for the permission. So, I don't want to say, yes, we'll go through all these if I had a question but These are markers new. These

are all marked as new. So, none of these are agreed to. So, this committee one at one point said, we don't want to approve this contract. We don't lose anything. Right? Everybody wants to agree to that? Okay?

Would you, anybody else got any other holds? Can we hold John Guilfoy Public Relations? Which is on page two. Uh it's under grants. I don't know if we're doing them all at once but I'm assuming. That's a contractor.

These are contracts. First, I'm going to say, yeah. What's the nuance of? Uh new ones are at the top. I don't think so. The contract is not a Gwen. Which one must I get? He said, John Guilfoy. John Guilfoy. That's a country. Is that that's under great contracts? Yeah, it's underneath one, two, three.

It's like fifth one down. Yup.

Right under Explorer Learning.

Uh huh. So, question, are we doing new? Are we doing? We'll do em all but I want anybody to have a say on whatever one they want to talk about. And we were just these are all new. Right.

Which we were told two months ago and it wasn't the case. So I'm just trying to be a little cautious that don't just say it's all they're all new if we don't know that they're all new but I brought up a contract that was supposed to be able to be spoken to and we we approved the payment for it to service from three months earlier. So that's why I just asked these

are new. All new. Okay. So we have two holes right now.

Brightview landscape and John Guilfoy. Any other holes?

Alright, I'll I'll entertain a motion in a second on the rest.

Motion made. Second. I have a motion second. Deb, would you please call the roll? Mister again. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes.

Mister Harp? Yes. Miss Laravie?

Yes. Miss Pereira? Yes. Miss Rodricks? Yes. Mayor Coogan?

Yes. First one on hold is Brightview Landscapes, Miss Laraby. Thank you, mister mayor.

Hi, Ken. I just have a couple questions. So. Sure. After going through the Riog situation with facilities. Yes.

Uh we've the committee agreed to add for, I mean, four more groundskeepers and a supervisor but I'm I am aware that all those positions are not full but what kind of concerns me is a a little is this is a one-year contract. So, if we're pushing, want to try to through getting filling these positions, why would we dial into a one-year contract with a landscaping company if we want to have the the staff in

position as this, you know, groundskeeping Sure.

Department, I should say. Okay.

So, when we did bring up the additional four people in grounds. Um we had our our spirited debate and some on said to me, is that enough? Is four going to be enough? And I said at the time, I won't know that. Obviously, I don't, you know, I'm using parameters of what I see as the workload. So, we're taking on all the schools that we do nothing with now.

So, they're not. I mean, we do a little bit of Henry Lord but Henry Lord because custodians still do work. We do a little bit of cost but there are cost custodians who still do cutting. So, the idea is to take away all of that work.

From the custodians so that custodians can just take care of their buildings. That's one piece of this. The second piece is the Durfee campus. So, the Jeffrey campus is got a lot of curb appeal. We got a lot of good comments. But it didn't take long this year before everything started growing and to try and keep up with that with the four people and do the work that they were already doing. Not touching the schools

that haven't been touched yet.

Just keeping up with Lord Cuss not much of Talbot that's being taken care of. And trying to stay on top of those and then take care of Durfee lining the field. North Park for baseball.

Uh Sylvia, soccer, and a softball field. It's a lot. And then a wet month. Um gave us a little bit more headaches. So what I'm asking why I'm asking for this? Is I can't gauge how much time it's going to take me to do the remaining work. The new work. So let's forget about Durfee for one second. I can't gauge how much time it's going to take me to do 12 buildings of work that I don't

do now. Because the intent was is that we wanted to bring those buildings back to the way they were when they were turned over. By me. To the school side at the construction. They were landscaped. They had mulch.

They were edged. Plenty of shrubberies Um the grass was growing, Pristine. And if you go through the schools now, that's not happening. It's not the fault of the custodians who are taking care of it but that was a side deal for them. That wasn't their main job.

Landscaping, building a grounds, all together wasn't working. So, we asked to split that up. By splitting it up, that group can concentrate strictly on landscaping and working on the grounds of the buildings. I believe that I need enough time. I guess what I'm asking with this contract is to give me until this time next year to have my four people new, trained, that the four people who are going to

take care of the fields. That's all they're going to do. And at that point, I can come back here and give you that assessment that people is enough and that we can take Durfee back over At the expiration of the contract which will be June. And moving forward. But I can't do that right now. Because realizing how much work was done. By the landscaper. We haven't cut dirty grass since the building

was built. It was covered under the contract. And we still have two months left of contract on phase two. Which is around the tennis courts. And that area.

Come July we own it all. And between the inside courtyards, all of the landscaping in the front of the building. The other side of the building that that touches that area in the in the road behind the school, Mathia Road and then the extra two parking lots. All the islands in the in the north parking lot. It takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of work and to just cut grass and

eventually have that look not like it should for a brand-new building. Um wasn't what I thought we should do. As part of what mister Agyot asked me to do about a cost analysis on private hiring more people. As part of that, we got some numbers and I will deliver that report at the next meeting in full as to what I I think that that should look like. You'll see the numbers.

If Durfee High School is $168, 000, $165, 000 to do. I'm going to tell you that there is no way a private contractor is going to be able to bid low enough to take care of all the landscaping needs that we need to add on and couple of choices we have. We can have the custodians continue doing what they're doing. And not put those four bodies on. Or we can give me the the amount of time

from now until June or May meeting of next year so that I can figure out exactly what it's going to take to take care of Durfee proper. And then the rest of the buildings. And get those buildings slowly but surely up to where they were when they were built. With the landscaping. So that's my request. That's why this is here. Um I haven't hired anybody I'm not going to hire anybody until I have the

director in place because I feel that that director is going to have to live with whoever walks in the door and they may not be able to pick who they have but they will be able to pick all those new people who are going to be hired. Okay. And in that interview process so. So, we don't have the four new people.

So, the job description is a complete. Uh the jobs posted.

So, the job, the director's jobs are posted, they're all up right now. As soon as that person is hired, then, we will hire out. So, we're not even, we're not there yet. We're not for the other four. No, we're not there yet. Okay. Um did with their three bids for the for this So, this is a state contract. So, this. So, it's off of, it's off of combines on the landscaping. And that is,

that is the bid document. All the items that are on here have already been bid. It's a prevailing wage job. Because of who we are. Okay. Um, so it's all part of that contract. So, you think you need a year to figure out? Well, understanding that we're going to, so we're going to have two cleanups at the end of the year from this company. Of the dead trees that are still under warranty will

be replaced by this company, not in this contract but outside the contract. So, we do have probably half a dozen trees that didn't make it through the winter. Some will windburn. We were hoping they were going to come back. They didn't and some of them were you know, we just didn't make it and we then there's flowers that need to be added. Um just a few more shrubs within the the confines and then the the

all of the mulching. Cutting the edges of the beds and that's what so this contract includes weekly cuts. So that group will be here weekly taking care of everything including the courtyards.

Justin Durfee. Justin Durfee.

It just they won't go into the so in the in some of our fields. The artificial turf fields even the not the new one but the two older ones. There is grass to cut. We still have field five up on the hill to cut at Durfee. And we will still have some grass to cut at the upper parking lot. So, this covers, it's easy to say the new construction. That's what this contract covers. So, We

wouldn't be interested in maybe doing this. Can we do a six-month contract? Would that be an option? And because what if we do hire these these next four grounds people in a month?

Mm hmm. And you're able to train them in 2 months. And then we're paying a 163, 000 for a year of of landscaping where maybe our groundskeepers can, you know, fulfill the the duties. Like, what do we do?

You know, we're paying a lot of money. I understand and and if that's what the committee would like to do, then, I can go back to them and ask them for a six-month contract Um. I mean, it's just fine. I mean, maybe a suggestion is what I'm. I don't know if I don't know if I'm if in six months from now, that we're going to have those four people up and running like a

finely-two machine. Um I don't have equipment yet form. So, we have a few pieces but. Right.

It's not like we're set up to have eight people working at the same time. We have equipment for different kinds of jobs but we don't have everything ready. For the formal If that's the if that's the will of the committee, then I can, I mean, I'm going to live with if the answer was no, then I have to make do. I I can tell you that Durfee is not going to look like it looks,

like it looked last year.

Because I don't have the manpower to do that. Just that.

They come down with 8 people.

They go right through the building and they're done in a day. We were not going to be be equipped to do that that quick.

With everything else they have to do. Thank you Mister. I yield for now. Any other questions for Mister Pacheco?

Mister are there projects that you have to do Mister Pachika like within the next couple of months that if you didn't have these guys would cause an issue? We've just got Like as far as making. We're doing things. Yeah, we're doing probably a week and a half project that Henry Lord for the Chiller, the new Chiller.

Billy, we gotta put a retaining wall up, cut some area there.

We've got some demolition to do on the old chiller outside that property. I'm trying to keep that out of the project to save money on the construction project. Um so, we're going to do that in house. Uh there isn't a lot of other items. I I think that what sometimes what gets lost with the groundskeepers is the fact that they put up the scrim, they put up the netting, they take down

the scrim, they take down the netting. It's a couple of days where just putting up the stuff for the basketball for the tennis courts. The scrim for the tennis courts. So, there's a lot of other stuff that they end up doing besides that doesn't quite fit into anywhere else For the athletic department. And then the striping of the fields is part of their work. So it's not just cutting the grass but projects,

projects, just that warning hit me, lord. And the and the estimated time in hiring these four groundsmen and training them and getting their equipment. I'm hoping to have everybody ready for July one.

Okay. Okay, thank you. Anything further for mister Pacheco?

Mister Agya? So, you had said something about two months that the current like what is this building project paying for?

For the services of this company. You said they were, this is the company that did the original So, this is the contract of record, yes. When did that contract run out? So, the contract is going to run out. Sure. In August for phase two.

Phase one work is all of the work around Durfee all the way down through the parking lot in the north end. The Ring Road and the road heading up towards Spencer Board and that's phase two. So that's what they're taking care of. The trees that are on the trees that are in the area leading up to the hill near the pace. That's phase two. And a couple of trees in the back. Of

the building near the gymnasium of phase two. So, so they own that for 2 months, two to 3 months more. But in addition to that, they have been doing all of this work that you just mentioned. No, they haven't.

So, who's been doing that? So, that work has been done up to date. Not to today. So, the so I had them come in on Saturday.

For a flat fee to catch up Durfee. So, that I can have that work ready for graduation.

Cuz I don't want the school to look the way it does right now.

This company. Yes. And we brought our guys into? I'm what? I'm sorry. Yeah. In-house guys who are overtime too? The in-house guys didn't work overtime at Durfee. They cut other grass on all the time.

Alright. So, I'm just a little confused on who actually did this work once the derby opened. This company, on the warrant, on the contract, we bought two years of contract 18 months worth of contract is what we bought. And how much was that? Contract and you're looking at it This contract here that you're seeing was the work that they had to do on the contract for us. As part of a building contract on the

Suffolks contract. So, when I look at it, it says, April 1, it has $20, 000 a month. So, this is. $20, 000 a month, 21.

So, the on April one, just a little bit before April 1 is when I started having the conversation with Brightview looking for the information for your request. So, I said, could you send me a document that would show what it would cost to cut Durfee and take care of Durfee just as you're doing during construction? Cuz that's exactly what we need to do.

With the mulching edging and all of that. So, that's what this document is. This is exactly what was done during all the construction phases with them. So, the one 68 or whatever the is that what it is? Yes. One sixty-eight, one sixty-six. That's the middle year of this on this. No, that's the first year. This is this document belongs to us.

This is, I don't have the contract from Suffolk. That's none of my business. That's on the Suffolk side. What this is is everything they did for Suffolk. As part of the track when they built the building.

Right, but wouldn't that be relative to why we what we should be looking at? That's what it is. See, this contract here is all the work. If you go into the into the description of the work, that's exactly what was in ours bid. Yeah, but you just mentioned something about trees. Like they were going to. So dead trees. So dead trees get replaced. But they would have to plant the trees as part of the contract.

Like, if they're responsible now to fix the dead tree, they're ready. For fixing the dead trees in phase two. But theoretically, they were paid to fix the dead children. And we're not paying for that.

That's not in here. But it's the same amount of money you're saying. So, in the current phase two, you're saying they did the trees. Whatever the areas were, in. It's the landscaping. It's not the planting of the trees. What this is is a replacement. So they own all of the work in phase two. For another few months. If there dead trees, they have to replace them at no cost to the district. When that

phase ends, Rightview is not on site anymore. When they were originally hired, the whole landscaping package was a million bucks, 2 million, maybe more. And you're telling me they're saying that this was the amount that they were charging. So this is what.

Exactly. So this is what the work is. So the dollar amount, I'm guessing, they have to pay prevailing wage no matter when they're coming to Fall River.

So, Working for Suffolk, they still have to pay prevailing wage. It's it's state money.

So, they would have had to pay prevailing wage to do exactly this. What happens is every company buys Like Suffolk, once warranties. So, they buy an extra year of warranty and that's because a lot of trees fail. A lot of vegetation fails during construction. For a variety of reasons. So, they buy the extra year which is what they did and they did exactly what they were doing in that extra year is what we're

looking to have done at Durfing. So, you're saying, you just want to make a continuation for a year from what they. Exactly. But the what's presented to us here in this package? Yes. Does it it contradicts that? Because it says here it's $20, 000 a month. Yes. In here. So $20, 000 dollars a month times twelve is not a hundred and sixty-eight. They don't work 12 months. But we're having the contract I guess what I'm

asking. I'm cutting period. The cutting period and the cleanup period are not 12 months. We don't they don't work in February. They're not doing snow removal. So they're not working in January. They're not working in February. They come in late in March. They're not working in December. They're not working in November. They probably do their last cleanup mid October to late October.

So, it's three to 4 months. So, it's an eight-month contract but there's still work that needs to be done in the in the year round of some we're not just we're not asking them to but that's not the contract.

What I'm asking them to do is landscaping. They're not picking papers. That's still going to be done in-house.

They're not going to do any snow removal whatsoever. And in the spring, they'll change the mulch, clean the beds, replant.

In the fall, they'll be picking leaves, making the final cuts.

That's what the contract is.

So, it's eight, eight and a half month more or less. Is what they would do as landscape service. No different than home landscape service. Runs just about the same. They don't do year round unless you're asking them to be your snow removal to. But it just says, I'm reading it. It says, policing and collecting litter from lawns and beds, disposed in the dumpster. To me, that's it's cleaning up some. Well, I'm I'm

sure that they're not going to cut grass and leave papers and cut cut em up with the lawn mower and leave them all over the place. My guess is, is that statement is they going to pick stuff up and whatever they pick up, they're going to dispose of on site. Yup. And we have this already paid for by the Building Committee to through August. And phase 2 only.

There's a couple of spots in phase 2 only. It's not the whole thing. The the lease ended. I mean, the two years ended for the building project.

For all of phase one ended last cutting season. So, coming into this new cutting season, Brightview has not been on site except for Saturday when I asked them to come down and get started on graduation prep.

Right. So, I personally would like to see that before I agreed anything with them to know what have we been doing each month of time. Nothing. We haven't been doing anything.

So, we just let it, we got, we pay a grounds crew and we just let it go. That's what you're telling us? We just said, you know, what I'm telling you is, is that up until this year, we haven't done anything on Durfy proper. But this year, so it's May. It's May say we did nothing. And in April, and in April, we were picking papers.

We haven't added any mulch. We have no mulch anywhere. We haven't mulching anywhere. We have a current grounds group.

And, and, having a hard time just hearing that we, oh we had a grounds crew but we didn't do some of these things. We didn't do anything at Durfee other than cut grass when it got too high. That's the only thing we did this year. We cut the the grass inside the two courtyards. Because we wanted to be sure that early childcare didn't have an issue with high grass. And that we do have a

couple of events that will use the courtyards as an area for that event. So, we did take care of those two items. We did cut the grass in different areas but just cut it. But we didn't touch the beds. We haven't edged the beds. We haven't done anything with the flower beds. Nor we done anything with trimming shrubs.

Replanting stuff. We haven't done any of that work. Right.

And I guess we just probably just going to agree to disagree. But when we have a grounds crew and we have a school whether it's a brand new school or an old school. I don't feel comfortable when somebody says, we haven't done any of that work. We need to do that work. We need to make sure that they're doing that work. I don't understand how we can say. That's not what I'm,

that's not what I said, mister Agia. What I said was Durfee proper. The Durfee High School.

Yeah. Okay. They were 16 other buildings that I take care of.

But we had a Durfee before, mister Pacheco. And and it looked nothing like this one, believe me. When I walked here and walked into this job, Durfee, Grass was just grass.

Yep There was no shrubs. How many groundskeepers did we have when you walked in here? Three.

I beg to differ. We've added doubled the groundskeepers. And so. Since I've been back on the committee. So we only had two is what you're saying. To cut all the grass. Whatever. I can understand why it looked the way it did. But we doubled it.

And I'm just saying all I'm saying is is that we have to do something with it. We just can't have or just go out and hire. Like I told you before. I think that the higher and more people all the work that's in here is not necessarily something that we can't hire people from Fall River to do.

Cutting beds, we don't have people that are qualified and and companies. As long as they're willing to pay prevailing wage to their health, as long as they will document that they're going to do that. Cuz every single person who works for the city, school department, have to pay prevailing wage. Right. So we can't just hire anybody to do this work. Right. When did it go out to bid? It did. So that

anybody could actually say, hey, you know what? This might be something I'd look at. It didn't go out a bit. Not saying it was illegal because you have a right to go to the state contract but it at the same time as we got people here that could've bid on a a project. If these people wanted a bid, then so be it. If you bid, you have to say I'm going to pay

prevailing wage but with going to an outside company without asking our in-house people but we'll probably just agree to disagree. But when you say that the custodians are not going to cut the grass anymore. Has that been removed from the contract?

It hasn't been removed from the contract. What I'd like them to do is more of their work. So I can cut down on some of the overtime that we have to pay when it comes time to do that work in the summer. They have a terrible their summers are absolutely awful. With the amount of use that our buildings get, they clean a room and it's occupied the next day and teachers are not coming

into a building that looks pristine. Because we use them all summer. So, the custodians are working twice as hard trying to keep those buildings in good shape. And we're not them by having them go outside and cut grass. They shouldn't have to go outside and cut grass. But I don't have the amount of people to do that at 16 other buildings. But I agree with you. And you know I agree with you. Even before the

negotiations that that should have been taken out. But it wasn't. I voted against the contract. It didn't get out of the contract. I'm going to tell you I'd be very surprised if I have custodians who are going to argue about cutting grass. We put it. We kept it in a contract. That says their responsibility is to cut grass.

Did we or did we not Yes. So now we're saying but it isn't our responsibility to give out overtime willy nilly. So that's what we do in the summertime.

Is we give out over time in order to cover. Well when they're cutting the grass they're not clean in the building. So when we fall behind, I I get I can prove that. When we fall behind all of that work it's put on overtime. I don't disagree with the the custodians shouldn't have that in their contract.

But with all due respect it was kept in the contract via negotiations. So, now, we're told we pay, we gotta pay this contract so that we don't have to do that which is in the contract. To me, I don't, I don't, I just don't see it. I think we need to take a much stronger look at what we're doing. Um how we're doing it.

I'd like to request a a weekly schedule, a detailed weekly schedule for all of our groundskeepers. Because what you're saying is that they're doing all of these things which that would prove it to show here's all the places that they have to go, what they gotta do to see if it's actually something that is overly clear or is it not? What do they do every day so that we know, okay, here's what it is.

I have this school to do, I have that school to do. I'm sure that there's gotta be a schedule of what they do and where they go and some sort of record of what the current groundskeepers do all day, every day. I would assume.

Missus Ponce, would you agree?

That should be a. So, so what you're saying is is that you want F and O to provide you with weekly work schedules. Is there any other department in the school department that's going to do that? Are you satisfied what everyone else is wearing. I I apologize but I feel right now that F and O is under fire. And if it is, then by all means. I'd like the committee to vote on that. So

that I can make sure that I'm following every single rule.

Cuz I think it's excessive.

Yep. And you know very well that the amount that this department has suffered over the last ten 12 months with shortages in leadership is half of the issue. What is that have to do with? It's got everything to do with it. Well, I beg to differ.

So, I think disagree. I think that the FNL department needs a very close look and a number of things. Yes. I'll say that as a committee member. Yes. And I'll tell the superintendent like I've already told her that I'm concerned about some of the decisions that have been made in those departments. Yes, I have said that. So, when I asked something very basic like a work schedule I think everybody in the committee

would benefit from seeing that.

No. So we have. I wouldn't. So, we have crowdskeepers? No. No.

Sorry Wait, can we get back to this? Yes. This this it is definitely related to the Brightview contract because this is a contract when we're that we're going to make a decision to pay $20, 000 a month and I'm trying to get to the bottom of when does it stop? What do we do? Whether.

On the contract. Go ahead. So, that's it's pertinent because.

No, you're counting for work for the regular four of them.

How can any member understand whether this is they're just overly worked totally. It's totally relevant to the fact of whether we need to hire four more, five more, three more, a private contractor. It's totally relevant. It's absolutely relevant to know what they do every day. Yeah, I know. I never heard of that in the committee though. I don't know any like it. I do, I do agree with mister Pacheco. I

don't get any teacher's schedule. I don't get any cafeteria worker schedule. I don't get any administrative school. Do we have any, do we have any teacher schedules? Of course, we do. Teachers accountable to every day. What they have to do. So, we we wouldn't say, well, is everybody have a full caseload of classes? That's a very simple discussion. Of course.

Yeah, okay. You don't think that that's something that that is very basic? Of course you do. But I don't know what they're doing on their prep time, what they're doing for work for the district, what they do? I'm not asking mister Pacheco to tell me when they're on break. I didn't say on break. I said during the prep time, which is not a break. So we have contraction. So we have four groundskeepers. Do you

think that it's that big a deal to say to them, okay, let's look at the last week. Where were you on Monday? Where were you on Tuesday? Where were you on Wednesday? We do it for all the counselors. We do it for the workers when we apply for Medicaid reimbursement for the state. When we when we ask people what they do with servicing kids on each and every day, we ask people for

that but all of a sudden now because we're asking a few questions about the facilities and operations. Now, all of a sudden, whoa, we can't do that.

As far as I'm concerned, I ask you for the question and I'd like to get, I'd like to get that answer, madam superintendent. If we could please get that. So, we can actually see what it is. I can't make this without without having this and. Okay. Anybody else wants to make a decision without the information, that's so be it. But I truly think that we need to take a look at

it. Okay. When we look at what they do everyday, I'd be curious to see what happens on the school. I drive by a school in the off Bedford Street and there's a tree growing on the side of that building. There's a tree growing on the side of the building for 2 years. I would I would like to I'm curious as to when a groundskeep is assigned to go check that out that they left

the tree on that school for 2 years. I think that's a valid question to ask. I can't see it unless I can see what they do each day. And when we going to add you know doing a bunch of time I'll have more questions about whether we how many we had. But relative to this contract I think it's definitely begging some more information including the backstory of how it was paid, what Suffolk paid, how much

Suffolk paid. Because I I do think that it's an issue. And lastly I 100% agree that this contract should have gone out so that other people in the community can look at bidding on a job like this whether it's this year or going forward. We have many people that could have bid on a job like this but they never even got a chance to bid because it wasn't advertised like that. Without a

yield. It's largely? Yes. Thank you, ma'am. Mayor. Um mister Aggie, I respectfully disagree.

I don't think that we should have any day-to-day information on any personnel. I think that's between Mr. Pacheco and and the superintendent and if the superintendent wants to share that with us moving forward as we do discuss this contract moving forward, I think that's adequate and acceptable. Um What I do recommend, I know I would like to maybe table this just for tonight and maybe discuss a

six-month, maybe contract because if you are saying that we have them till August and then, they're done what November? You said? Maybe the end of October, November said, so then they're stalled until the end of March. So, if there's something that you can work out with them and come back and and just give us some information. I mean, that would be my recommendation. Second, the motion to table. So, if I

can just. Yes. So, after graduation. Mister mayor. Is when we will come back here for a meeting. To vote on the 6 months. You can't. So I just.

Yeah. I know it's in a motion to table so we can't discuss anymore. Somebody made a motion in a second. I must want to vote it down. We can't discuss it anymore. Deb. Imagine something to say about that.

That's okay. Wanna call the role, Deb? Mister Arguet? Yes.

Mister Bailey? Yes. Mister Hart? No. Miss Laravie?

Miss Pereira? No. Miss Rodricks? Yes. Mayor Coogan?

No. So we're still discussing it. Um. So yeah I just. Who is Mister Pacheco? I'm sorry to make you stand back up. Is it are you done this virus? Go ahead. Miss Prayer. Goodbye.

You want to go back? You want to talk? Okay. Okay. So, Hey, world. This is only technically an eight-month contract. We're paying for eight months of services. So, we're asking to leave to negotiate two months down but we have work that needs to get done right now that we're currently paying this company to do and get ready for graduation and such. I'm assuming, I don't know much about gardening or landscaping.

Awesome. But I'm assuming that this is a busy time to get dirty ready so we don't fall behind. Is that accurate? The issue is graduate Okay. So, three, 4000 people Two graduations back to back. It would be nice to have a the best curb appeal we possibly could. We've got probably 2500 to 3, 000 diamond family coming here. So, Okay. 8000 people in in in a week. We'll look at Durfee at two 63 million dollar

project and it would be nice that it looks as good as it did the day we built it.

Absolutely. And we can't do that without outside help. I definitely would not buy a million dollar house and then say I couldn't afford a housekeeper if I couldn't do all the work. Just doesn't make sense. Um Yash, it has to do with taxpayers dollars but they built a beautiful school. I think they want us to keep it that way. Obviously, we're shot staff, hence why you're hiring more people. Right, so I'm

assuming that's why Durf is falling behind and hasn't been getting tended to because you were very used to this company taking care of it because it was already in a contract with us. And just picture, right?

Derek, he was out of the picture and all the rest of the world. It was sort of off your plate so to speak. These people are taking care of it. That that reason, that portion of them taking care of it. I'm just trying to make sure I got this in my head. That portion of them taking care of it recently ended. Now, they're only doing the end of phase two, which doesn't have to do

with all the landscaping we're talking about. Right. So now we're in a situation where whoa it was off the plate. Now it's back on the plate but my plate's already full. Kinda situation. Okay. I mean as far as the contract goes that was something we already voted on.

I believe that that's a union situation if they negotiate it that way. That's fine. Perhaps the reason that they kept cutting grass on there was to make sure they were able to then do it if in need. They had the time or we needed it.

That's something that the custodian could do. It's in their contract. If you're asking them to do something out of their contract. That's a whole different am I accurate there? Yup. Absolutely. Okay.

Um what else? I had one else to say. Oh, yeah. I mean, the only reason I say I don't want to see the schedule is because quite frankly, it's not that I'm not invested in making the right decision. It's because I don't know what I would make of that. I mean, I don't cut my grass. So, if you told me, you know, Sam was cutting the grass at whatever school and it took

him 2 hours. I don't know. Is that appropriate or should he or Sam have got that done in 20 minutes? I don't know. Lucky. I have two lawn cutters, Gary and Lou. I don't have to do it. So, that wouldn't be useful information to me and I also think it is slightly micromanaging and also kind of digging in and I know that's not the intention. Of my colleague but if I was one of

the custodians, I'd be at home watching this. I'd be thinking, what? He doesn't think I'm doing my job and I just don't think it's the right form to do that. I think that's what you're supposed to do. Um and yes, we do know the teacher's schedules but we pretty much ask principles. Do they have a full load? Yes. Yes. Okay.

That's what we're asking you. I don't know that we need documentation of it. Um so, I have no issue with voting on this today because I don't think changing six months to eight months then we get back here. I mean, if we need it now, we need it now. We have a school that we just spent so much money on. It's beautiful.

We are still going to be having people use it. By the way, what mister Dora Aguil said earlier, I think we should let nonprofits use it. I'm not really sure why we don't but we can't let them do that if we don't upkeep it and make sure everything is pretty. Um so, I would be happy to vote on this today. I don't think it makes it eight eight months to six months makes a difference. I

think we're pushing something back. We're going to have to pay these people anyway to do all the work that needs to get done before the graduation. So, I don't know. That's my opinion. But that's all I wanted to say. Now, if you all want to table it to have mister Pacheco try to get it down to 6 months. That's my only name. We already made the motion. Oh, we already started. I'm looking

for a motion to approve in here. Well, mister Hart. Miss Mayor, yeah, I I mean, I was going to pretty much say what miss Pereira has said but I'll make a motion to approve the contract from Brightview Landscapes. I have a motion.

Second. A motion is second. Any further discussion, mister Agya? Yeah, just a couple things. So, you had mentioned that the contract just anonymous pro that the contract just ran out to do this work and then earlier, you told me that the contract ran out eight months ago to do the work phase two was the. Phase 2 ended.

When? At the end of cutting season last year. Which was when? Let's call it. Cutting and cleaning. Let's call it October, November. Right. So we haven't had anyone in place since then. So, all we've been doing is picking papers and keeping it clean. Which is what that season is. Yeah, no, I I understand. But it's now the middle of May and the season is upon us as you know. Yes. And when you were talking about,

well, you had to bring them in.

How did you bring in to do the cleanup Saturday And the what budget item and what mechanism.

It would be just under facilities and operations. It was a small chunk of money. It wasn't anything close to this.

Yep. All they did was clean up.

So they went they didn't do any edging. They didn't do any of the work. All they did was cut the grass that was overgrown.

Trimmed around the trees.

Trimmed along the building.

Cleaned up the islands. Great to get it ready. All all of that work some of that work can't be done during the day because the parking lot islands can't be cut during the day because people are there. So those are all after hours things or a Saturday. So, when you think. Think about whether it's them, you know, whether it's whether it's that company.

So, I mean, just having a hard time figuring this out. We hired a private company to pay somebody prevailing wage to come in on a Saturday, to cut around the trees, to do the, basically, to do landscaping work. That we could've offered that same work to one of the 200 custodians that we have, because it's in their contract to do. So, we hired almost a specialty company is what I'm hearing to do basic cleanup at

the high school on a Saturday which I'm sure our custodians would have, at least somebody would have probably said, sure, I'll do it. I, I can't get them to do the custodian work on overtime. So, I just putting that out. Yeah, I hear you. You get my point that we're hiring a specialty company to do cleanup. Because it's specialty work. Cutting the grass is a specialty work. I mean, this is landscaping. This is not

cutting your grass and just letting things fly. It is not.

They have the right equipment.

They're doing landscaping work.

Yeah. And it and you you don't, missus Ponce, I would ask you.

Because I don't want to ask for things that seem excessive.

But, do you think that it's appropriate to, for us to see what we paid this company to do this work? On a Saturday? How is that not relevant to whether we decide how we pay going forward? Well, we certainly can provide that information. Sure.

And the reason why would be when we're talking about the graduation in 2 weeks, three weeks, I understand that we have to make this place look presentable. Sure. Wanna make it look great but I would recommend then, instead of doing this contract, if this got tabled to get more information, whatever we want to do long term, that we hire a couple of more times if it's short money as you said to

come in, come in and get this place looking spiffy for June third. That's 2 weeks away I would rather do that than actually say, well, let's pay for this long-term contract and I'd also like to ask the superintendent's thoughts on whether she feels that this should go out to bid to give any local people an opportunity to bid on this work. That's a question directly to the superintendent.

Um it's mister Pacheco's ex area of expertise. He's saying he needed the company. So, and that's what we did. So, moving forward, certainly, if this committee fails differently, we'll do it differently. So, that's not a valid question that I asked. Just being honest. I think she answered it. Yeah. no. Listen, there's no reason for everybody else to defend somebody. I asked a legitimate question. Contract,

we're going to vote on it. We got a motion a second. We're waiting to vote til you get done with your questions. So, when I asked the superintendent before the meeting because I had a question on this today when we talked before the meeting. One of my concerns to the superintendent, I had two concerns. One was the money and I asked the superintendent, is this all inclusive including the new field with the Zangoni

machine to do it all. At the time, she indicated yes. So, I look the contract. I went to the superintendent before the meeting and said, this didn't include that. So, she said, oh no, it didn't. I she checked with mister Pacheco. It did not. I then said to the superintendent, was this bid?

Oh and she said it was a state contract. So, I said back, well, why wouldn't we give it an opportunity for some people in the community to bid on this work and she said, that's a valid question. Before the meeting. So, I'm asking that same question now in public and the answer that I got from the superintendent was that it's mister Pachico's calling out hers. Right and and we did not.

I told you we did not. I know but all I ask you do you think that it's a valid thing to do?

To just do the right thing and put it out to bid. Mm hmm.

That's what I asked before.

That's what I asked now. The answers are two different answers. That's not something that I can I can comprehend how that is the case. Uh when I look at the rationale for the this contract versus adding more people. We ask every other department the same thing.

Mister Almeida asked for more people based on the workload, how many payrolls they do, how many work or whatever like some rationale for what these people do all day. But I I the sagg I haven't I told you I would bring you that cough benefit analysis. I will bring it to you and you'll see the dollars and cents. Okay. There's nothing to hide. I I'm not saying that you do. All I ask

the reason why some members getting upset was when I asked for a weekly schedule of what they do which I didn't think is a big deal. I don't think that's a big deal. Especially when we are being asked to add four more. I don't think that's a big deal. That's what I was referring to. Not the piece that you're working on. Getting a cost benefit analysis. I think that's a good cost benefit ana cannot hurt

anybody. But part of the cost benefit analysis is to see what it costs. Now, we're going to lock ourselves into an eight-month contract at a hundred and 1sixtythousand. You might not see that information to say, well, it's not going to match up. We don't have anything yet. I asked last month for it. I didn't get it yet. I understand things take time but now we're being asked to pass a contract for 1

160000. Can you understand why I would ask that? I do but I what I'm telling you is is that Apples and oranges. It is apples and oranges. You wanted to compare the old dirty to the new. There is no comparison ever that's going to make that work. Because the it's a totally different look. The old Durfee did not have landscaping. The old derby was cut and run. That's all it was.

And all those fields were just cut and run. I'm not saying they weren't in playable shape and I'm not saying they weren't. When they weren't underwater, they were playable It is totally different and adding those four people is my hope that I can take care of those fields, take care of Murphy Proppa, and take care of all the rest of the buildings.

Because as I said, it's very difficult to get people to work overtime. They're not lining up. And if I can take away some of the need, in those other buildings by having the custodians just to custodial work, and allowing groundskeepers to do the groundskeeping work. And I think district is better off. I think that cost benefit analysis will play out every day. Because it's on straight time and not necessarily on

overtime. And they're not going out in the middle of the day to cut grass. Or even if they're doing it on overtime. Why? When that's not their work. It isn't their contract. And it wasn't their contract since the days of schools that had no grass.

How much grass was there at the Coughlin School? How much grass was there at the Dubuque? Not lots of grass. So, the custodian went out there. Most of them hand mowers. Very few of them had riders. And they would cut that in an hour, an hour and a half. Once a week.

Yeah. That's not what we have today. We have mega schools that have landscaping. That we've let deteriorate to a point that you don't even know what was there. And can go by his pictures. I I agree with you that we need to do a better job of maintaining our schools.

In order for me to to be able to agree to that and support that to the to the amount that you're asking. All I've asked for is what did people do that are currently doing the job on a weekly basis. So we can know what it is. They have to have a schedule. They just have to do it. But it would be after the fact. So you'd get a schedule from the week that just passed.

Because predicting schedules in this district with the amount of people have is very difficult. So, we know what we want to get done in the week.

One rainy day that stops that process and now everything gets compounded and pushed down the fat. Yeah, all I'm looking for is any information that would help make a decision because I want to make sure that all of our departments are lean, doing what they need to do, and working a full 40-hour week to do that. That's all I want to do. That's all I'm checking on.

I think that's all that the superintendent would want or anybody that runs an organization, a business, or any. You want to make sure that you're getting a full week's work out of your people and making sure we're doing things intelligently. I agree. How we schedule That's all I'm asking.

And I don't think it's that big a deal to ask. Um I don't know when this contract would go into effect because we don't have the contract. So is it going to go in effect tomorrow morning? I would like this contract to go into effect tomorrow morning. Absolutely.

And then they're going to just they'll show up. They just talk to me, find up a will wind up a schedule and we'll get started.

And we don't have a contract yet. Nope. Currently. But we're going to vote on this today as a contract but we don't have a contract. Yeah. This is the contract that's in front of you. It's not signed. There is no promise to a signature.

There's no nothing. This is the contract. It just doesn't say when the time. When I was it was almost hinted that this was like a generic document of what they do. It doesn't necessarily the contract for us. Well I would think that most of their contracts would. Because I think that the work that they do at universities, at the colleges, at private businesses is what you see in here. All of the pictures, all of that

detail, of the edging, the cutting, the pruning, the I don't remember the last name. I think it's and you think at 21, 000 is a good deal? Have you done an analysis of what that means for hours and whatever to make sure? Well, I think when eight people show up with two or three truckloads of equipment and spend a day trying to pound it out. I think that's. What I'm saying when

you add all that up, you you've done that analysis to say that you think that's. I'm in the process of doing it now. Well, we're voting on it today. To go into effect tomorrow. We're voting on Duffy High School.

We're not voting on the district. That's all I'm voting for. It's Durfee High School. I don't have the ability to do Durfee High School right now with 4 people. That's what I'm talking about. The Duffy High School contract. This yes. 20, 000 a month. You've done the analysis is what I'm asking to say that we're going to get $21, 000 worth of service out of this company like X amount prevailing wage. We're going to

have X amount of hours for this. Like you've done that.

Vailing wages worth about sixty-five thousand dollars to that project. Of that dollar amount. About 65, 000. Prevail age. So, just just as a number so you understand what. Yeah.

Public procurement is. 65, 000 is prevailing wage. And how many hours would that be? To my point. That's all I was asking.

8 people, 8 hours a day, couple of days a week. I'm not looking for it right here on the spot.

What I'm suggesting is that that would have helped to make the this determination for me.

Without our yield. Anything further, mister Pereira. So in your experience? Yes. Is this first time you've hired landscapers? Mister Pacheco.

This is the first time I'm trying to hire a landscaper to work to do the finished work.

We've hired in, I've been involved in seven construction projects. We've had a landscape on every single one of them. So what are they have never had this kind of? Of work. Of work but also we have never had this kind of two year opportunity to see what it looks like. It's all been out the door the first year, you get one year of a growing period. All of that stuff, the warranty is there.

Two years down the road, you got trees dying, there's no more warranty. I think mister I think what mister Pachico, I think what mister Aguia is getting at is, is this a reasonable price that they're charging us? Absolutely a reasonable price. So, we're not. It's the lowest, it's, it's one of the lowest prices on state contract. In order to get on state contract, it's a bid. Okay. So, the Commonwealth

does work for all the communities so that they don't get bogged down in procurement and I don't disagree that maybe it should have but went out to bid to other but if we're in a situation that we need it now, then we need it now. So, let's just do it now, I think. Right?

We already have a motion in a second? Yes. Um Mister Agya? No. Uh. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart? Yes.

Miss Laravi? Yes. Miss Pereira?

Yes. Miss Roderick? No. Mayor Coogan? Yes. Mister Agia, the next hold was mister Guilfoyle?

Yeah, if I could just get an explanation of what that is.

Yes, that's Guilfoyle is public relations company. They do a lot of work with school districts, lot of professional developments, just last about two months ago, we sent some administrators to Taunton that they were using them to do some training. Um I done some work meeting with them. Uh we got some good feedback. Um I would like to bring them on in August for our admin institute. Um they will break up the day into

two four-hour sessions. One on training all of our administrators on crisis management and the other four-hour session will be on conducting investigations and additionally, that's for the full day and we also, the membership involves a bank of on-demand trainings that we could have access to for throughout the year You know, courses such as social media use, filing fifty-one A's, bullying. So, these are

trainings that we would have on demand that we could be using.

We need to have some consistent trainings where our goal is to have everybody trained the same way and the admin institute in August is a good way. Everybody will be there and everybody will receive the training. When it says investigations, we're talking harassment or anything.

Yeah, it it it will it will run the gamut. So, one question I've always asked and maybe you know it now but I would ask it again. When is it an investigate? Somebody files a complaint. When is the investigation over? And how do the person get notified? Is that something that's like we need this training for or?

Well, I I think that that probably will be included in that but typically when investigation is conducted by our HR department or that they should be receiving in written form that what the outcome of that investigation is. Right.

So, it just wouldn't have food for thought. Um. Uh huh. I think it's something that we we clearly need someone to be supporting it. Thank you, I yield. Yeah. Any further discussion, Mr. Guilford? Miss Rodricks? Um when you say crisis management, what is that going to entail? That that will include crisises that occur in schools throughout the year, throughout the day. So, some of it could be in regards to

threats working with some our administrators or when to do a lockdown as opposed to a shelter in place all all and everything in between. I was thinking like CPI type of crisis management versus like the physical crisis management so it's I just wanted clarification that I yield.

Anything further? Uh can I get a motion on a second on this to go for him? Emotional proof?

Second. I got a motion in second. Deb, would you please call the ball?

Mister I guess. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes.

Miss Larry. Yes. Miss Pereira.

Yes. Miss Rodricks. Yes. Mayor Cooley. Yes. Item number eleven approval of grants. We have one grant tonight. It's a title three grant for immigrant children and youth. Any discussion on that grant?

Motion to approve? I have a motion to approve. Second. I have a motion second. Any discussion? Deb, please call the roll. Mister Aguil. Yes.

Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart? Yes. Miss Larry? Yes.

Herrera? Yes. Miss Rodericks?

Yes. Mayor Coogan? Yes.

Committee of the Whole, 12. 1 is discussion and vote to approve the proposed fiscal year twenty twenty-four Annual Operating Budget of the Fall Public Schools as presented by Maria Ponce, superintendent of schools. Miss Ponce. Mister chair. Chairman mayor, address the committee prior to the.

Sure. Mister, mister Assad.

Okay. With respect to the 12.

1, which is a discussion and vote to approve the fiscal 2000 twenty-four Annual Operating Budget. Uh I'd like to discuss this with the committee and just address the committee for a couple of minutes. Um I'd like to recommend that prior to voting on the Annual Operating budget that we first review, discuss, and vote on specific of specific items in the budget. The reason is that certain members of the

committee have family members who are employed by the school district and contribute to line items in the proposed annual budget. This is a very common occur occurrence throughout the state. Uh and it has been for many, many, many years. Um fortunately, the ethics commission has instituted some common sense and well-established state protocols to address this. So that majority, if not all of

the members who are elected and vote on a budget will be able to participate and vote. Uh in the instant case that we have for the Forever School Department, there are two individuals who are members of the school department, school committee that do have conflicts on couple of the specific items. One is Chairman Paul Coogan whose brother Tom, Thomas Coogan is employed by the school department and

Committeewoman Chair Mimi Laravis, brothers Matt Damaris, and Michael Laravi are employed by the school department. Under the law, if an immediate family member of a public official has a financial interest in a particular matter, such as an approval of the budget, the public official must abstain from participating of voting on this matter. However, in accordance with the Ethics Commission of the Law, the

Public Official may vote on any other line item in the budget.

That do not affect the financial interest of a family member. In other words, eliminating any potential conflict of interest. In addition, the public official can vote on the entire budget, the bottom line budget, including salaries. Once the Committee of Board follow a certain procedure that's been established once again by the Ectors Commission and they've done this because of the fact that this is a very common

occurrence. Uh when you have especially the school committee, hundreds and thousand people that are working in the school department many times what happens is there's a conflict and the one thing that that the Ethics Commission and what we all should be trying to do is to make sure that the as many people participate in the discussion and vote on the such an important matter as the budget for the school

department. The procedure that's followed and laid out by the Ethics Commission is that number one, the School Committee identifies the budget line item that includes member's salary and votes on it separately. The line item procedure also includes the direct supervisor of that individual. Thereby eliminating any potential conflict of interest on a particular vote.

The individual family member who's family member is a member of the committee. Obviously, abstains from such a vote. Uh once that is done, all conflicts dealt with through the line on the procedure. The committee, the school committee, may then vote on the budget as a whole. and at that point in time, even the individuals and this is pursuing to the Ethics Commission, the individuals who have conflicts on certain

members of their family being employees of the department are also allowed to to vote. In compliance with the rules, regulations, and opinions of the ethics commission, it's recommended that with respect to Chairman Coogan, the following line items be addressed by the School Committee prior to a discussion and vote with respect to the entire annual budget for two thousand and twenty-four and

that would be with respect to Tom Coogan charged whose Illini was charged to the human resources professional salaries and also to Maria Ponce because Maria Ponce is his immediate direct supervisor. So, thereby eliminating any potential conflict because Chairman Coogan would not be voting on this particular matter. This will be done by the individuals on this committee that have absolutely no conflict just

about up or down or just to table it. The second is with respect to Vice Chair Mimi Laravie. Uh and the following line line items would be something that should be voted on and discussed prior to miss Laravie voting on the budget and she would have to abstain.

One would be with respect to the brother Matt Damaris who was charged whose salary is charged to the deputy administration professional salaries. As well as to Michael Laravie who's charged to line twenty-seven, 17, 1000 custodial salaries which is part of the the union contract for the custodians and it's over a five million dollars in that particular line item in addition to which also would be

a vote with respect to Maria Borges because miss Borges happens to be the direct supervisor of Michael Laravie.

With this hours. This procedure does. It followed by the committee and is to number one, eliminate any conflict of interest and it also allows the officers who have been elected by the citizens of Fall River to be able to participate in voting with respect to the annual budget for the Four River School Committee. My I would secondly recommend that since the chair and the vice chair have conflicts on

specific items. If the committee is is follows the the recommendation that perhaps the the former chairperson mister Hart would be able to cheer that end of it because in the way that the Ethics Commission is established it's a very limited situation where they have to abstain. Um Chad Coogan could vote with respect to any issue in the budget including any conflict that miss Laravi has and vice versa. So, that

would be my recommendation.

Number one, to have mister Hot as the vice chair, former vice chair to basically have the gavel with respect to this particular matter and also have the individuals abstain from voting on their personal matters with family members and that this would allow everyone on on this diet to be able to vote on the ultimate budget.

That would be my recommendation to the committee.

Question. Mister Aguil. Just that's a lot to be said all at once but. Do we have this in writing? When did we find out that this was an issue? Well, this was an issue last year too. Yeah. Right? So that and basically the we I think the committee last year voted not to to do the specific line items. Uh however, this is something that the the ethics commission has put out in terms

of their advisories so that elected officials will be able to participate and vote on a on an ultimate contract on an ultimate budget. So, Mike, the reason why I'm asking that is in the document that we have here, none of what you just said attorney Assad is even listed. In our budget presentation. So, as you were talking, I'm thinking to myself like, what are we going to vote on? What, like, is this for

real? So, we don't even have in writing what you just said which we knew last year was an issue to prepare for this year.

So, now, as we go forward, we're going to take, well, don't vote on that line, Adams.

You can't vote on this line item. Well, that one is here. I don't think it's a good look. I I don't. Are you, are you finished? I'm just, I'm just wondering why we didn't get anything. Are you finished? Why would we not get something with the agenda? Is the question.

It's not part of the agenda.

This is my recommendation to the Committee as your attorney.

So you never talk to Superintendent, the vice chair, or the chair about this during the meeting to talk about the agenda. This subject didn't come up. When you're planning this meeting? The actually the subject matter came up, I believe it was today. Uh in terms of my recommendation to the committee. Uh would be and I I actually prepared it today.

That's not and also you know something, it it it is not a complicated issue. This is not something that you would need 16 days to to review or even one day to review. All this does is number one, eliminate any conflict that any member would have in terms of a vote and allowing elected members, members of this committee to be able to vote on a full contract. You can vote yes, you

can vote no to that. It's up to you. But the bottom line is, it it's it's pretty clear. If in fact, you'd follow a very simple procedure which is voting on a couple of matters ahead of times. The chair and vice chair, this committee will be able to vote on the on the budget. If the committee elects not to do so, then the chair and the vice chair will not be allowed to vote on the bottom

line of this annual budget.

Very clear, very, very easy to understand. You don't need a lot of preparation. You certainly don't need it in writing. So, when you look at this, I don't mean to offend you, sir, but. You're not offended, you know. But it's it's so, I just want to make sure everybody understands how clear this particular issue is.

Uh huh. And and I'm just trying to be clear on what the rules are. So, when we look at a budget, we're going to have this budget presented to today with a one pager to describe what it is. So, if what you're saying is accurate, all I'm asking for is on the document that come from missus Ponce that says, I'm recommending a vote of 10 million dollars blah blah blah. It should say, for

the following three, four, five line items for the following reasons, I make a motion, we need to make a motion that this is for, that's all I'm asking.

There's nothing listed here. So then, we come to the meeting and then, I don't know what, I don't know what you just said.

So, all I'm asking for is I think it would be much cleaner.

The budget's a pass in my opinion anyway. Last year, we made it easy. They just stepped out if they had a conflict but that's not even here to know what the options are. So, that's all I'm saying is we got a one pager. It doesn't mention anything about this. So, I guess we'll go forward and you know, talk about the budget then vote on on these only white items but just proceed, bro. I just don't understand

why I wouldn't come in ahead of time. I yield. Mr. Hype. Yep.

Thank you, mister mayor. Um the first motion is to approve the salary line item. Uh two eight four eight four zero zero five, dash five one, one, two, zero, zero. Charge to human resources, professional salaries, and the in the amount of one hundred twenty-six thousand 7 hundred six for Thomas Googan. Need a second.

Second. Second. Roll call, Deborah. Question. Go ahead.

Can I ask what you're reading from? Oh, prepared sheet.

Where's that prepared from?

From mister Assad. When did you get it? When did you receive it if I might ask? Tonight. Does anybody else have that? I'm thinking I'm the only one speaking on it so I don't think. But we're voting on it.

So that I'm just saying you're making them I'm making that's making the point that there's no reason why that document wouldn't have been here so that we could all know exactly what it is. That's the only point that I'm making. With that I yield. My guess excuse me. My guess is that Attorney Assad made his recommendation today.

Part of the recommendation was to have Mister Hop vi which I'm not sure why because Mimi's here and then the mayor's coming back but whatever. I could care less who has the gavel. Nobody ever uses it. Um but so I'm assuming that's why he prepared that ahead of time.

Correct. It's back and forth for no reason. Please. Let's just have a meeting. I would really appreciate it. I know.

Second. I need a second. Oh Shelly's the second day. Sorry.

Miss Dragon? Yes. Mister Bailey? Yes. Mister Hart? Yes.

Miss Laramie? Yes Miss Pereira?

Yes. Miss Roderick? Yes. Mayor Coogan. Uh second motion is to approve the salary line item of two eight four eight four zero zero dash five one one two zero zero charged to superintendent professional salaries in the amount of two hundred twenty thousand 300 for Maria Ponce.

Is there a second? Second. Roll call Deborah. Question. Mister I got. I'm just trying to follow. Now this is the superintendent's contract And miss Larry can't participate because of what reason?

The reason, I can address that.

Yeah, that's all. I'll tell you. The reason is, is that with respect to Matt Damaris, who is the brother of miss Laravie's her brother. She is.

I understand. The writers ask him to clarity. That's all.

Thank you. Mister Agya. Yes.

Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Laherty. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodericks.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Next motion is to approve the salary line item of 2zero1 five eight zero dash five one 1 2 hundred, charged to Durfee administration, professional salaries, and the amount of one hundred fifty-four thousand five hundred for Matt Damaris, is there a second? Second. Pro call.

Miss Dragon? Yes. Mister Bailey? Yes. Mister Hart? Yes.

Miss Laravic? Miss Pereira?

Yes. Miss Rodricks? Yes. Mayor Coogan. Next motion is to prove the salary line item of two eight four eight dash four zero zero 5 1 1 2 hundred. Charge the superintendent and professional salaries and the amount of two hundred twenty thousand for Maria Ponds. Is there a second? Can we just vote for that? That was for the mail. Gonna go again to go to No. Thank you. You said two twenty. Like the hell of this

one. Yeah. I saw it. It was there. Twice my fault. I apologize. Uh next motion is to approve line item two seven one seven one zero zero dash five one one two four zero. Charge to custodial salaries with aggregate salaries for all employees in that line item totaling five million ninety-two thousand 3 60 dollars in line item. Two seven one seven one zero zero dash five one nine three zero zero

charge to custodial uniform allowances with the aggregate salaries for all employees in that light item totaling $90, 000 from Michael Laravie. Is there a second? Second. Roll call. Question. Question, mister Agav. I knew it was saying the beginning of that.

Was that like the whole custodial lineup? Yes. So, any person that works in custodial?

Yes. And that was just for this so that's for stuff that already happened With this legal opinion go for it. Past stuff as well. What do you mean? What do you mean? If whoever you're saying can't participate based on the entire custodian piece then they obviously can't vote on anything related to any people in the custodian line forever.

Well, as long as the weather's still working. Yeah. I'll tell you what, the when the issue comes up, I will address it, look at it, and and see if in fact, an individual would be able to vote or not. Uh but just because of on this particular one item here, I was just thinking in the past, that's all. Yeah, well. So, if they're saying it now and two months ago, we voted for something for a custodian

supervisor. Technically, that shouldn't have happened either.

That's if what you're saying now is true. That I yield. Roll call. Mister Aguilar. Yes.

Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes. Miss Laravie. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Roderick.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. And the final motion to approve line item two seven one 7, one, zero, zero, zero, dash five, one one two four zero charged to custodial, salaries with sellers for all employees in that line item totaling 5 million ninety-two thousand three hundred sixty for Maria Borges. Zero second. Second.

That's not the same one $5 million. Yeah, same figure.

Different place. Same figure.

Same. Came out of the same wine item.

Mister I guess. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart? Yes.

Miss Laravie? Miss Pereira?

Yes. Miss Rodricks? Yes. Mayor Coogan. Okay, that's it. Please motion. Again. Jessica, I can ask you a question, Bruce?

Sure. Just for clarification.

So, and I could be wrong but I was on the assumption the reason you know they had to step out was because we were voting on something that had to do with financial issues. So it had to do with salary. If we were voting on like a piece of equipment or something like that that wouldn't make a difference. No. But with that being said, you did pull Maria Borges out because she was a

supervisor, you said. Right. Of Mike. So, would that then apply for the hiring of supervisors?

Is that something you could look into for us? Yes, it was.

Just so we don't. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

It's always it's always the individual plus on a vote on a vote for for the the budget. It would also be the direct supervisor. Okay. Thank you.

Question. Mister Agil. Along with that same logic, I do believe that I didn't hear but maybe I missed it that we also should be voting on Joe Correa who's the boss of custodians in Ken Pacheco who's the boss of those bosses. Mister Assad. In terms of the budget. Yeah. They all get paid. So, if the logic is that we, based on the custodian, having work that we, that we can't have Angel Vorges

vote, then therefore, that same logic should say that Joe Correa, who's Angel Borges's boss, and Ken Pacheco, who's the ultimate boss? No. No. No.

The this is, this is strictly with respect to Michael Laravi and who is direct supervisor is. And his direct supervisor is Maria Borges. Uh, and that's the only reason why her name was there. Only reason. Never watched the joke career?

There's nothing on that.

There's a this this has nothing to do with mister Carrera.

Mister Carrera is is not a relative of anyone voting on this particular town. But the boss, I don't I thought you had mentioned about a boss. That's why I was saying. No. No.

Direct supervisor of the individual who is a family member of someone on this board. Okay. Thank you.

Okay, back to the budget, 12.

1. Um superintendent. Okay. So, since the March twentieth twenty twenty-three, when mister Almeider and I presented the initial proposed budget to this committee and as a result of feedback received, we've made some several adjustments to the original presentation.

Uh huh. Um although the bottom line was not impacted because we moved some funds around to account for the changes. There are some changes

that are the result of of the hearings as well as feedback that we received at meetings here. So additional, we are proposing an additional vice principal for Henry Lord Community School. Uh Henry Lord has the highest student enrollment and we are making it the a comparable model to the middle schools also. Uh we are also proposing an additional special education administrator to support assistant superintendent

chain and Durfee High School has requested two additional positions and our position and the CTE for early childhood.

These are due to course over enrollments and as you know, at the last meeting, we adjusted the circuit break of funds and the difference there, we added one special education supervisor proposed to speech language pathologist, one evaluation team chair, and one special education cle those are changes that were made and are not reflected in the original budget that we proposed. Um as a result, I am

recommending the approval of the FI twenty-four Annual Budget for the Fall River Public Schools totaling one hundred and sixty-three million, 920, 000, $197 Motion approved with the question.

Mister Aguia. Oh, I'm sorry.

Second after. I got some discussing points myself. Go ahead. Mister Aguirre, please.

Mister, a motion in a second.

The they said move money around and then I think I'm seeing it from the security maintenance.

Do you have a little more detail on what that is? Uh we had set aside funds in the building, rentals, and leases account in the budget. Yeah.

And we were able to shift some of those funds to cover these positions that we're asking for. And then we don't need this we don't need those storage facilities or? It it is

we're okay with doing that. I I'm very I'm being very broad because of other discussions we have tonight.

Alright, it just and I'm not sure what that means but the the rationale is minus 374 in security and maintenance. So, there had to be line items.

Right. In the proposed budget.

There is. That were reduced by that amount. We are looking at, we are looking at additional site to to release and potentially purchase and we set aside funds in the budget to be able to pay it off, potentially pay it off in a shorter of time. Okay, I, I, I get it. I, I don't, I think you know what you're doing. I think superintendent knows what they're doing. It just, it beg the question basically. So, I'm

sure afterwards, we'll know more about it. My question on the overall budget is I had looked at, I kept quoting the groundskeeper just because that's one that I kept on quoting. At 59 thousand. When I went back to look at the contract, I don't think that they make 59, 000 Is each line like higher than what the real salary is across the whole. So.

Budget. So, it's based. So, the salary is based on whatever the percentage increase is for next year. So, at this point, the salaries have been adjusted Um in some cases, it potentially is different with some contracts that were not negotiated prior to the budget being developed. So, But to your knowledge, it's the it's not everyone that's over. No.

There's just what you know at the time and then it's going to be real money. So, when I'm, when I quoted 59, 000 from the budget, I'm not way off. No. Or 72 for a whatever. Correct.

It's pretty much what it is.

Yes, it is. Uh I I just think that Some of the stuff that's in here is very good suggestions that superintendent took. Things that I 1 00% support and I look forward to working with you guys in the future. Thank you. Um miss miss Larry. Thank you mister chair.

Um I just have a question for miss Ovichon.

Hi, it's just regarding the request that was added into the the budget. Um last meeting you came in front of us and I I believe the question was asked maybe this call. Recommended that you you get another administrator, somebody to help you and you stated no not at this time and I I respected that because you are fairly new, right? You haven't had your feet wet for too long and I appreciate that transparency

saying, I'm just going to hold off and I'll come to you when it's necessary. So, what I'm asking you is why the three three-week change? Sure. Okay.

So, yes. So, I think that recommendation came a couple times to me, right? So, initially, when I'm before this committee, I hadn't really thought about it and prepared a reasonable response. Since then, since our last meeting on the 20th of March or whatever when we met about this I've had several conversations with my own leadership team and done some serious reflecting on what this district needs to be able

to support the students and the staff. Special education has two huge components to it. One is compliance and the other is service delivery. And until you're in the trenches with the compliance piece, you can't even imagine how big the lift is. So, In talking to my leadership team on why special education has fallen behind in the service delivery piece.

They feel very strongly and I have made the same observation that it's because we are spending hours and hours on compliance issues. What is compliance with the with the Jesse? It is paperwork. It is keeping them out of buildings.

It is keeping them in offices.

Just since January alone. We have had to prepare our TFM self assessment for the Department of Education which stands for tiered focus monitoring. That has probably taking me personally at least 20 hours outside of my time to even compile the information.

Not to mention all the time that I spend with the team doing it here. We have 35 PRS complaints this year. So far.

The next closest district to us is New Bedford at thirty-four.

Brockton, twenty-three.

Framingham, 20 something. If we don't get our compliance in check, we are going to again be spending more money on compensatory services. We're going to spend more money on going to hearings and being having to spend more money on attorney fees. That takes my education supervisors away from the work that needs to be done.

Um we met with our programming special education programming task force and they talk about the professional development that's needed for special education staff. If I don't have supervisors in buildings, how can I do that? If I don't have someone who can build, so for example, when pace enrolls a student. I get Emails two and three times about the same student. Where is the student going to be placed? When can

they start? The parent has called a few times. I don't students to have to wait. But again, when you spread supervisors too thin because they're the one that have to review the IEP, there's the ones that have to say they can go to inclusion in their neighborhood school or not, they have to go to a substantially separate program in another school. Again, these are all the tasks that when I step back and I reflect are

things that prevent the work in the buildings. That's just a few things, right? We have a DOJ investigation pending. Our attorney has is informed us that it's going to be a big lift when this report comes back. I'm one person so I pull my team who is fantastic in doing whatever they need to do but that's at the expense of being in buildings with students and staff. Right and I absolutely agree with

everything you're saying. I say compliance is huge right now especially the circumstances.

We put a self in, right? But I think my question was that happened quick, right? Well, it went from not yet to. Oh yes.

Yes. This is exactly what I need. I think what I'm what I'm saying is, do you need a little more time to to come to the terms? Is it an administrator or a leadership role that you mentioned three times? or is it something else? You know, you you just made the decision quick after coming in front of us saying, no, that's not what I need right now. And that was partly due because it was kind

of brought up in this forum without me anytime to reflect on it, right? So, then it was brought up in this forum but since that time, whether it's three weeks, 6 weeks, the data doesn't lie, right? The data there. So, I needed to take the time to be able to reflect on it. It doesn't mean it wasn't there three weeks ago, right?

It's just that I hadn't thought about it with all the other things I'm doing in Fall River.

To come up here and confidently ask for something but now, I can confidently ask and it's budget season. Now is the time.

I'm not trying to do things later on and appear non transparent. Being in transparent, this need was there three weeks ago. I needed the time to be able to all this data, talk with my team, think about it, and think about what makes sense. That's why it's not, it's not a job description that's ready to come before you. This is just the need and where we're going to go. As if it's approved by the committee,

and that's really why. Right. I I don't see right now what we can approve. Um I mistaken, missus superintendent. Yup.

Because there's no job description. Right. So, I'm not really sure what we're supposed to. It's in the budget. It's embedded in the budget as an additional budget. Just like all these positions. You would be approved in the budget and this is a budgeted position.

Okay. I yield for now. Anything further? Mister Edgar? Yes, so I 100% support what you're bringing forward here. I've sat in meetings after meetings for years as the chairman of the Special Ed subcommittee. And we continually go round and around and a lot of things. The same way and nothing changes. So when you hide for this job, one of the things that I ask you to do as one member of the

committee was be bold and do what you need to do to turn this department around. And I can honestly say that you've done that with every single thing I've ever heard you say.

Your honesty in this was it's about optics. And I think it's time for all of us from the superintendent on down that work in this district. To stop worrying so much about optics.

And get down to the reality of what you're facing. So you were facing this a long time ago. As soon as you got the job. Didn't take you long to figure out.

Wow. This is a big job with a lot of responsibilities and things need to really be changed around a lot. So I appreciate you being on about that. The first sentence in your document that you clearly laid out for us in that thing was, as I consider the recommendation to add an additional leadership role to my team, I struggled to move past optics and instead focus on benefits to kids in the

district. To me, that's says it all. So, I appreciate what you said. I implore the superintendent and I've been pushing on her end for for similar things. Don't worry about the optics of well, I can't take the position because it's going to look like I'm, you know, padding my budget by the super Budget. We have a lot of problems here that need to be addressed. You know, a lot of departments and that takes

administrators, that takes assistant administrators, and that takes everybody to be working towards the same thing.

So, I firmly think this is important. The positions about the you added a team chair, you added a few other positions.

You need more of those too. If you are being honest about what we really need, you'd be coming for more and I told you we're going to have a subcommittee meeting which we will and I I'd ask you, come forward with what you need to make a difference to the kids here Don't let optics get in the way. Look at the benefits to the kids and to the into the system. So, with

that, I yield and I do appreciate your work. One lastly. I got like a oh I'm sorry, miss Perron. So, if we don't have a job description, what does the job entail? Um so, if I just think about the task, right? Yeah. Okay. So, I think that we need to do a lot of professional development on compliance. For administrators, for staff. So, it would be one piece would be professional development on specifically

related to compliance. Um like I said before. Someone who can work directly with pace to enroll our new students and make sure that they're getting into schools and into classrooms more quickly than they are currently. Who's doing that now? Um our supervisors do. Okay. But I have, you know, six different people doing six different things. So, the other thing is we have interruptions of service letters that we are

required to send out. Again, another compliance issue and compensatory letters that to go out when a teacher is a vacancy for a teacher which we've had a lot in Fall River, right? Yeah.

That the letter is supposed to go out within a certain timeline. Again, I need someone to oversee to make sure those letters are going out, to make sure we have an idea. I think we have 100 students that need speech and language compensatory services this summer alone. I need someone to be able to oversee that to make sure again, the students are getting what they deserve. Um the PRS complaints. Um a PRS

complaint, an easy PRS complaint will take a supervisor at least four hours to do. A lengthy one is an eight-hour task and that's eight hours on top of everything else they have to do, right? So, handling all our PRS complaints because the other thing about streamlining that, it's also looking for trends. Why do we have so many?

Is it, you know what I mean? Is it IEP timelines? Is it not certified staff providing services? Whatever it is. Mm hmm. I, oh, I'm I need someone to condense and that information to give it to me.

Um the we are going to be losing a very valuable clerk who is going to be retiring in January who does a ton of circuit breaker information for us with Kevin's team and I need someone to be able to again, oversee that circuit breaker.

So that I can work with the whole department on making sure the services, the compliance, everything, the training that's needed for staff, everything is aligned to move this district forward. Um, when I started here, you guys wanted, you said bold and I remember the mayor telling me to watch Braveheart, right? I mean, waiting to do these to make these changes does not benefit anyone except

like mister Aguiara said, is I felt like it was optics because the complaints were there before I got here. They're going to continue to be the same and it's not because people are working hard. They are working very hard but I don't want to lose good people because we're just spreading them too thin for too long so I think the two go hand in hand. The supervisor increases to get into the buildings with

staff, with students and staff and taking their caseloads down to something more manageable than 700 6 hundred. Mm hmm. And having some person to really oversee this compliance piece.

So that I know the trends and I can put processes and procedures and compliance officer. Um working out of in a sense of things. And then like you know we're developing process and procedures throughout the department. So, someone to help me, again, oversee those. You know, being one person, I can't oversee them all myself. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. I I have a couple questions. How how big

is your administrative team right now? So, right now, I have 4 supervisors that are like full time. The Derby supervisor is a department head doesn't, she, she's awesome but she's at Darfy, right? So, she does special education piece up there but not the other stuff in other buildings like the other supervisors do. So, it's really a point five, right? So, 4. 5 and then, you know, mister miss Farius with early

childhood but that's its own animal. So, she's really just overseeing that. So, realistically, it's you know, four and a half for the entire district of special education programming is and oversight.

And and down below, we're going to add to make it five and a half. I'm sorry. Special and supervisor we're adding makes it five and a half? No, you had already approved two.

So, we added the third one. I had asked for three brings their caseloads down to around 400. We are up to thirty 3 thousand one hundred and thirtyfive special education students. Last time I was in power school. So, that's gone up. Last year, I think it was somewhere around 2-700, something like that. So, this with the additional three supervisors, it brings the caseload again because Durfee

supervisor just stays at Durfee and miss Farius supports early childhood. So, the remaining supervisors, their caseloads will be around 400.

No, I I am lost. So, you have, you're adding one also tonight.

We adjusted the circuit baker funds to add another special ed supervisor. Yes. That's going to take your number to what? That's going to take me to seven. 7. Okay. Cuz you, the first part of the budget had two in them. So, two additional. I think Boston has eight. You think Boston also probably has other layers.

Different layers. Yeah. Yeah, different like I'm sure Boston has multiple compliance officers. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm not going to support this at all because I don't I do want to see a job description for this.

I want to see if there's any overlap. Um I would make a motion to table this item to the next meeting and you bring us a job description so we know where we're going. I don't have a I don't have a problem with it. I just don't want to see the same thing on three or four job descriptions. Second. Um that that's that's what I think the big gap is here. You know I

know mister Aguilar was angry at the last one because he didn't get a one pager. I'd like to see a one pager on that job because I think that's a big job and it's a very very important job. I can't diminish it a bit but I do think we should have something in writing on what that job is also. I know I know that's what around you are supports. In most cases. Yeah, we have it.

We have the one pager here.

Where's the job description? Is it there? We don't have it but there. Well, that's what I want to see. Okay. Just stay consistent on your vote. I am.

Vocal. Consistent. Yeah. Relax.

You know what? Yeah. Once you make a motion to table and it's seconded, sir. I second. Rules apply for everybody. Alright.

The rules apply to everybody, yourself included. I appreciate it. Made a motion. The gentleman seconded it. So, therefore, as chairman, you take a roll call. That's all.

Thank you. Follow the same rules for yourself. Thank you.

Everybody helping me, mister Aggie. I know that's your concern. I appreciate help. Go ahead, Deb. Miss Dragon. No.

Mister Bailey. No. Mister Hart?

Yes. Miss Larry? Yes. Miss Pereira? Yes. Miss Rodericks?

No. Mayor Coogan? Yes. Alright.

So, wait, wait on that one.

Anything further on the app?

Question? Cuz everybody tables things so quick before. I voted yes to table it because like I have when other people have asked it. Somebody, my one of my colleagues needs more information. It's fine. I didn't particularly think I needed anymore but that's fine.

Um but this isn't going to prevent like a hiring. If we if we come back, she comes back with a job description. She gives us a job description. We can get this going. So, she's got something to work with pretty soon because I'd hate to table it and have her get into the school year and not be able to. Next meeting. Okay. Well, well, it was part of the budget though. Right, but we'll leave.

Because I do want to fill it. I just want to see a job description. That's right.

That's basically what I'm asking. Are we going to be able to fill this position even though we're voting on the budget today? If we get a job description and we all are happy with our answers, can we fill a position? How do we do that, Kevin? If we didn't put it in the budget, it's not in the budget. How do we do that?

Honestly, we can just leave the budget as is. Um and kind of just place a hold on that dollar amount. Position. Okay.

For that position and Go for it. When you approve the job description next month, then we can move forward with an hire for somebody. Thank you.

Question. Mister Aga. So, wouldn't that be the same thing what we just asked for? That was tabled? What we were asking for by this or the what the superintendent was asking for was to have an amount of money put as a placeholder until we get the job description. Yup.

That's basically what we were just asking for. Correct. So, you're saying now to just do the same thing that was just tabled and you know, Basically, you're saying it's not going to affect the budget which I agree with you. No, it's not. We weren't asking for it to fill the job because there's no job description. Correct. My question to the superintendent, to the chair, to the vice chair, who sits and goes over

the agenda. When this item came up at the agenda, because it's on the agenda. So, obviously, there must have been a discussion. There's somebody on that's in that meeting want to share what the discussion was about the need. Was anybody at that table tell the superintendent to tell miss Obinchain, come to us Monday a job description because she could have done that. I don't think anybody told her. Can

anybody counteract that? What was said at the at the meeting?

I I I'll speak for myself.

Sure. Um miss Sobinchein and I have had this discussion. We actually were going back and forth about bringing the job description at the same time but we felt that the the job needed to be the position needed to be approved first and then we needed to go back and make sure that it was specific to that job. So, that piece that we we talked about whether we bring it at the same time

but it we thought it was presumptuous to bring a description to a job, a position that has not even been approved. When you say we, you mean the mayor? And I have had this. My question is and I think this is getting to the bigger issue here. Wednesdays come, we get an Email to say, the mayor, the vice chair, attorney Assad, and the superintendent talk about what's going to go on the agenda for the next week.

That's a meeting that's supposed to happen. My question is, at that meeting. When this petition came up, did the mayor tell you, madam superintendent, I'm not going to vote for this unless there's a job description. Yes or no? No, he did not. Mister, this is the twelfth. I didn't get this paper. This was great. Yup.

You're The position is in the budget. The agenda. No, the agenda is the twelfth, the description. Correct. I didn't, that was the, that was after we did the agenda. I didn't see this. You approved the agendas.

I did, I said this paper. The backup. The backup. The backup.

Right. But you approved it on the agenda. This wasn't didn't have that the twelfth or that, the twelfths. We talked about it. We talked about the job.

What was that? And I said, I want to see what it is but I didn't have any backup information that day. But did you say to the superintendent in the meeting, do not put this unless you have the agenda and unless you have a job description. No, what we said is this, are you sure she wants to go forward with this? And she said she was going to get back to us, which I said, fine,

let's see what we got. But we didn't get a job description, and that's all it is. I have no idea. These these papers are dated the twelfth. I want to say we met tenth. Am I right?

Are they? D. Yeah. The eighth.

The eighth. But but when you meet. hm? Don't you go over the budget? I don't go. Don't you go over the agenda items? Not line by line. No, this is in the budget. Yeah, we go over the agenda. Right. So, the superintendent. But I have the agenda we went over. It doesn't have that on it. But when you.

In position. The position. Was on it. But when you sat with the superintendent to talk about her presentation for the budget. Right. Which is on here. That's what we're talking about. This subject never came up as my point. It did. May I?

Yeah. It it did miss Agia and what the conclusion was was the superintendent was supposed to our recommendation was to go back to miss Oberton see if this is something she really wants to move forward with in such a quick time, right? It was three, Mike, my concern was, it was 3 weeks, okay? Go back to Miss Obiton. It was supposedly taken going to be taken out, and then she would be getting back to us. The

superintendent. Yeah. And then I did call the mayor and told her. Yeah. And we were. But when did you or anybody say, Just get the job description.

No one did. That's my point.

Yeah. Okay. Nobody did, mister Aguile. I mean, otherwise, we would have had the thing done.

She would have had the thing done. The superintendent would have had the job description done but this is a budget discussion, not necessarily the positions. So, we have traditionally always put and there's probably other ones in here that are things in the budget that we don't have a job description for. We're still working on but we can approve some but not approve others. I think it's going to go through.

I appreciate you saying that you're you're in favor of it but with being said, what I would ask is in your department, can you give us a weekly summary of what your people do? So that we can know and have a like this, you know, like some rationale to say, why do you need X amount of stuff?

Thank you, yield.

Like again disagree. That's a personnel issue. And that is between again Miss Obiton and the superintendent. If she wants to give that information to the superintendent if the superintendent wants to share it. But that is not under our purview. To to deal with any of the personnel's situation. So I'm just going to leave it there. I disagree. Mister chairman. Mister Aguilar. Yeah So, every single time I'm

going to ask for something, the superintendent has a right to whether give it or not. I happen to know that the superintendent doesn't have a problem with doing this because it's the right thing to do. It just makes sense for us to justify the positions. If you choose to vote on things without having that justification, that's on you but I asked the superintendent to to present some information.

It's to try to make an informed decision in the best interest of this district and many times, I've asked the superintendent for information that low and behold, she becomes a better superintendent. The department becomes a little better. We glean information by the information I ask for. So, I don't think there's any offense here. If you choose not to give it, madam superintendent, feel free to just send me an Email

and say, no, I choose not to give you that information. I happen to think it's very. Can you send it to all of us?

Mister and of course. Madam, just ask you. Of course. Thank you. I mean, if I can, you know, question. Superintendent.

Hold on. Okay. Let's pray.

Please don't bother sending it to me. Because it's the same issue. It's not that I don't want to make sure what needs to get done but you just coming here and saying, we're overwhelmed. These are the caseloads. These are the compliance issues. We need more hands on deck.

Job making sure people are doing a good job. So you're saying, hey, I need more help to navigate this. So, I get it.

I say, I, it's the same way I feel about the custodians. I'm not a mental health expert. If you told me you had a worker doing, it took her a whole day to do one rapport. I would think, what? She take a long lunch but I've never done that report, right? So, that report that you're telling me takes eight hours is something I don't have experience in. So, you giving me a day-by-day list

of what everybody that works for you does. It it's does nothing for me. So, I'm looking at you. You were hired here.

You certainly seem to be very effective. We're getting good things done. Everybody has told you that we want to see big things happen with the special education department. So, kudos to you. Um I think it's going to be fine. Again, I just want to shuffle back to if we table this, are we still going to be able to add this? I want someone to tell me, we're still going to be able to add

this position later. Yup. Yes.

Okay thank you. Without a yield. Any further discussion?

Question? Related just to that.

Mister Adam. The only thing that I would say in in making that go another month is that now we get into when we approve it, it will be a month later into June and when you have experience working in schools and hiring and stuff, there's a window of time when you're going to be able to attract people to jobs and the more we back that up into July, whatever people have committed to other things for their

districts. So, that's the only question that I would make and I would ask the superintendent to weigh in if she feels that's going to be an issue but I personally think that that's an issue because the longer we wait for positions, the worse it's going to be for without a yield. Okay. Anything? Sorry.

So, if we get a job description in the next week or 2 weeks, if you got, you go hard on this.

Can we approve this? Via Email, via is that phone? No, no. No, we cannot. No, we cannot. The, we have to actually gratify.

Yeah.

Okay. So, discussion point 12.

1 is a vote to approve the budget final number of one six three nine two oh nine one nine seven. We have a motion and a second. Would you please call the roll? Mister Agu. Yes.

Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes. Miss Larry. Yes.

Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Roderick. Yes. Mayor Coogan.

Yes. 12. 2 is the discussion and vote approve the proposed fiscal year 20twenty-four Transportation Budget of the Forever Public Schools is presented by Maria Potts. What you have before you is just the transportation projected budget of 10 million 3 hundred and 4-2 thousand 5 hundred and four, Um I'm recommending that we approve this for FY twenty-four for transportation only. Any discussion in the

transportation budget? Mister Ag, yeah. Yeah, you asked in the past about legal issue going on with it's got nothing to do with this vote mister It's got nothing to do with this bubble.

Madam superintendent. So, I ask that the last public meeting, I ask via Email. I sent it to yourself. I sent it to the mayor. I sent it to the vice chair. Related to litigation that people that a bus vendor had against the city. I received no response from you or the mayor. The mayor at the last public meeting said that was taken care of before the meeting that we had. I sent

notice at that night to say it wasn't taken care of. Madam superintendent, I'm going to ask you what your response is.

And I my response will be the same miss Dagyard. This is the city is working through the litigation. I asked the mayor that I reminded him that you had sent that email. Said he was going to communicate and that it was all set. That's what I responded. 90 seconds going to communicate. That he would communicate. He's. I didn't get it. It's through.

No, I told you mister Aguyar.

It was all set. What does that mean? People call. Yeah. You did. What does that mean? That means they're waiting for a couple of signatures. It has been settled. It was settled the meeting that we'd last had a month ago. Yeah, it was. Even though when I sent you an Email that night to say it wasn't settled, you didn't respond to it. I was missed, I was misinformed by the corporation council's office. They told me

it was settled. Oh, it was since settled. No, no, no, it was settled but when I told you it was settled. Okay. Here's the bottom line. Here, it's got nothing to do with this book.

It does. It has. I'm going to justify whether I vote yes or no and I told you. Point blank, I will. No. I will. And I tell you that I think we should settle all the litigation that came from the bus vendors that that we know we owe money.

Mister Pacheco knew it. Missus Ponce knew it. Everybody knew that we owed them the money.

All I simply ask is a member of this committee was to for you to say whether we actually us, the school committee who signs the contract. Has a saying. You keep saying no. We don't have any say. We don't have any say.

We don't have any say. But when we sign a contract, we have a saying. And you said it was settled. It wasn't settled.

Since then I believe it has been settled. Something very simple like a one paragraph email to the superintendent or to us to say, yes, we settled.

The agreement was X dollars and have a nice day. It was settled when I told you it was settled, mister Aggie. That is absolute.

Well, going to call the bus company that night at the thing we're at but I had already told you it was settled. And it was not settled. When you were going to call the police continue to sit here and tell him it's truth for this committee. No, I'm not telling you right now. It wasn't settled and you know it. It was settled. I'm on a vote note.

Thank you. Is it settled now?

It's settled. I don't know if all the papers are signed. It's settled. I don't know because the man never actually answered the Email that I sent. Dwight.

I only know I asked the gentleman who was suing us and he said that they did settle.

Three weeks later after the meeting. That's all. That's all I'm saying. No. It's settled.

Okay. I'm going to try to tell you. Do we have a motion in a second? I need a motion in a second. I need a motion a second. Motion to approve.

Second. Deb, please call the roll. Mister Aguil. No. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp? Yes.

Mister Larvey. Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodricks.

Mayor Coogan. Yay Item 12. 3 is the fiscal year 20 twenty-four budget of the four of the schools to the mayor for approval. Motion to approve. Second. Discussion.

Deb, please call the roll.

Mister again. This is the combination of the two. Right.

Yeah. No. Mister Bailey? Yes.

Mister Hart? Yes. Miss Laravi?

Yes. Sorry. Forever? Yes. Miss Rodricks? Mayor Coogan? Yes.

12. 4 is a discussion and vote to approve the starting end times for school year twenty-three, twenty-four is presented by Maria Ponce. I have a question. Um you want her to go first? No, she can go first. Superintendent. Well, we we have before you is the starting end times for next school year, 2023 twenty-four and there are no changes to our start and end times. They will remain as they were this year.

Discussion, miss La just a quick question. Uh response.

The Letourneau and Fatska, the only two schools that are different. They're not 850 starts. Right. Can you just remind me of why that is?

That's transportation tearing issue. Yup. Transportation issue. Okay. Anything further on times mister. So, I'd assume if there's no changes that that means that there would be no additional tearing options to save money.

Trying to work within the parameters of the FREA contract doesn't allow us to do any more tearing than we currently have.

We had more tearing when we had the extended day because obviously some schools lend itself to the additional tearing. When we got rid of this extended day and a couple more schools, we eliminated some opportunities. And because of trying to fall into the parameters to us through the contract. We do not have any more options for tearing. So, I understand what you're saying.

Uh looking at the number that's pretty high and everyone was concerned about how high the transportation was. Just thinking proactively ahead whether it's in negotiations or whatever. I'd never heard that.

We needed any different times in order to do the extra tearing. But you're saying now that if had a if we had more flexibility with some of the start and end times, we might be able to save some money on transportation. So, the tearing, you need a certain amount of time in between. So, traffic issues, make sure the bus can get to the next pickup route and get started and and

finish at that time and when we got rid of those outliers, we eliminated three to four options for that tearing. So, it does matter and then, again, falling into the time that's the contract, negotiated in the contract for the for the start and end times of teachers at the window so to speak that we can start a day and end the day leaves us the tearing issue.

Now, there are other ways that not tearing but there are other ways that we can save with transportation money but we do have to affect families with distances and that will save us a lot more money than tearing.

Yeah, because I was just asking for internally like you guys are talking about ways to save and if that means that we have to either change a contract, do something. The time to do that would be sort of going forward for like a year ahead. So, so we don't necessarily do it now.

Parents are already locked in.

So, I'm assuming that those things are happening that we would know if that needs to be part of a negotiation to save money on the transportation. We could look at it and we could see what what the what the opportunity would be if those times are bumped one way or another. Yeah. Thank you. We can look at that. Thank you.

Yourself. Yep. Any more discussion? Deb, do you have a motion to second, Debbie? So moved. I have a motion. I have a second. Please call the wall depth. Mister Aguin. Yes.

Mister Bailey. Mister Hart.

Yes. Mister Laravi? Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodricks.

Mayor Coogan. Yes. Twelve five is discussion and vote to approve the middle school ELA curriculum as approved. Second.

Motion. A second. Any discussion on the curriculum?

Deb, please call the roll.

Mister Ian. Yes. Mister Bailey.

Mister Harp. Yes. Miss Laravie?

Yes. Miss Pereira? Yes. Miss Rodricks? Mayor Cougar. Yes.

Mister chairman. Mister Aguilar. I just want to say that when we went through this at the instructional subcommittee, the team that worked on this for an entire year, I think did an excellent job. It was thoroughly done. It was vetted. It was trained. It was an example of how we should do things when we're going to create a curriculum or change something. So, I wanted to give credit to Mrs. Kennedy, missus

Ponson, Doctor Curley for what they did because this was how I would think that things go and it goes nice and smooth. So, good job. Thank you. Thank you.

Twelve six is a discussion and vote to approve a job description for the post-secondary. So moved.

Pathway Specialist, I have a motion. Do I have a second?

Second. I have a motion to second. Question. Mister Ragio.

Is it this going to be paid for from the foundation? From, I'm sorry, couldn't. The bow grant.

Barr Grant? Yes. Yes. Yeah, it just says it right in the front so. Yes. Gotcha. Any further discussion? Deb, call the roll.

Miss Dragon? Yes. Mister Bailey?

Mister Hart? Yes. Miss Laraby?

Yes. Miss Pereira? Yes. Miss Rodricks? Mayor Coogan. Yes. 12 seven is discussion and vote to approve the Director of technology services job description as presented by Scott Cabral, chief information officer. Motion to approve. Tom Coogan, human resource director. I have a motion to approve. Do I have a second?

Second. I have a motion. A second. Any discussion on this position? Queen, can we get a quick presentation? Mister Aguion. Mister all, please.

So, this position will basically oversee the technology services division of technology up until this point.

I as the CIO have been maintaining and doing a supervisory role on that side as well. Um when I came to you about a year ago with the Reorg, we had a similar position and we split it up into two. More technical positions and the need is there to provide supervision in the day-to-day operation. Something that I just I can't stretch myself that thin anymore. Um so, that's basically what this position will do. It will

oversee. It will also be another technical mind on that side to deal with some more of the complex networking, cyber security issues, as well as a liaison between the Sims and the instructional technology sides. Question. Mister Agya.

So, I know you it did seem familiar And some of my reservation and the positions is that a lot of times I said this at the last meeting as well. We get from one meeting we say we're not going to fill this position and we want to use that money to create a one another position, something else. So, I, for one, vote for that based on with eliminating one position to create two more or whatever it

is and and your department specifically, I think some of the things that are in here, we've been told were going to be by other people that we hired or some other way whatever it is and now, I feel like this is another one. Okay, we don't fill this. We'll fill that with a couple others an hour after the fact saying, let's fill it again. Yes. Some heartache over that. So, basically, you know, to take a

look at the department, a department that we didn't have at the time. We were, you know, there were three individuals doing the work across the 17 buildings. We've now built a department from the ground up.

My recommendation at that time was to split the two. You know, the position into two but the need now to move forward into, you know, run the millions of dollars in infrastructure improvements that we have planned. Um I need somebody in there day to day. I just, I, I personally cannot do it anymore. So, we're in the org chat with this now for like what is the. It's going to be right below myself and they

will oversee the technology services division. Basically, mimicking what the director of instructional technology does and then the Sims coordinator in those buckets of technology.

So, right now, I am overseeing the technology services division day-to-day operations.

And I'm not able to, you know.

And and when you, I think it says in his salary range, but So if you look at your org chat and you're going to have this position be equal to the director of instructional technology. That's what you're saying. Correct. That's a union position. No. It's just in the same the other person that's going to oversee that side of the department. Correct. But that's a union position. This is an S non position. But

they're going to be doing the same work as a union. No on a technical basis they're they're dealing with the technical side of the house. Yeah. Calling like like it is. This position is going to fall in your aug shot equal to a position that's a union position called director of instructional technology. That's what you just said. What I'm saying to you is if it's a $75, 000 to 90, 000 salary, the salary

doesn't match up to what you're even saying. So, the union comes forward and says, we think this is a union position.

I've said publicly that there's several positions in your department that should have been union positions already.

I've said that over and over.

So, now, this is going to be one and the same. So, we're going to say approve it. It's going to be 75 to 90. The union statement to say that they wanted to be in the union. I would agree. I think it should be. So, then, if it's equal to the other other position, the other position gets 125 grand.

Right. So, now, we're saying to us, let's vote for this at seventy-five ninety-two. Okay, yes. We vote yes. Within 2 months, the union's going to go see you. You're going to come back and then you're going to say, guess what? The position needs to be between 105 and one twenty-two because that's the level of where you're putting it. You're calling it a director. It's as if you're saying it's the same thing.

It's going to fall under the same thing I don't understand how many more times we gotta keep going over the same issues but your your the positions don't have to be. If the union is going to make a a request to have it be in the union, it's going to line up somewhere and you're just saying where it lines up. It doesn't match with the salary. And we were told that it was going to go away.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Um mister Aguilar, I I would need a little guidance from Attorney Assad on this. Um last year when this discussion came up about a number of positions that were potentially going to be in the union as as a committee mayor not be aware at this time. Uh there are number of considerations that would factor into that. Number of days in the work year, salary structure, type of employee

that they supervise, etcetera.

Those are some matters that we're going to be discussing in executive session a little later tonight. Uh we agreed to put a one year stop on that discussion and reevaluate at the end of this year. That's a matter for discussion with the union. We've already had that discussion going forward and we anticipate beginning those column negotiation but those those conversations shortly.

So, Right and we need to be the traditional structure that you're talking about. I get it but when you when the questions asked, we have an og shot.

Everybody knows what an og shot is. We have a person that's called director of instructional technology. They work here and they have six people working under em.

Whatever the number is. We're going to create a position that the CIO just said is going to be equal to that position with six or seven people working under them. What the heck do you think that they're going to say? No, please pay them seventy diagram. Even though the union would pay him more. I don't see it. I think a significant difference in in in the structure you're talking about. While there is a

supervisor or director in that point with several staff members down below. The director of instructional technology supervises certified teachers. So it's a little bit different type of position than the one we're talking about here. His this position would be supervising technicians with a range of approximately 40 to 60, 000. They're not certified.

They're not necessarily university degree holders etcetera. So, it's a little bit different structure but I do see the parallel between the two. Yeah. And I I'm sure you guys have worked this out. You must have talked about this several times in leadership meetings and HR meetings and the like. I'm sure that you've worked out what the what the call is, how to call it, what to do with the with the

potential pros and cons of how much the salary is going to be and then you you fell on director of technology services. After what you just explained, this is the thought that we all, you put your minds together and you come up with the call director of the same org chart as that. To me, that doesn't make any sense. So, I'm not going to be supporting this but I think we're going to

come, we're going to get this come back to us and we're going to have to pay more but I still don't feel comfortable and I and I'll say this again because it's it's a fact and mister Correll just admitted it. We were told, don't fill this position. So, we'll fill it with two others and now, within a year, we're coming back saying, let's fill another one. Without a sub-committee meeting, without anything,

let's just push it through the budget. So, I'm not going to be supporting it. If others do, then, so be it. With that, I yield. Anything further? Did this go to so this didn't go to the technology? Is that where it would go? Technology subcommittee? Yeah, I did not know. So, it didn't. We haven't had a meeting. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, sir. We haven't had a meeting. We haven't had a

meeting for it to go to. Okay.

Um. You referred to. Mimi.

Motion. Can we? So, oh. Oh, sorry. So, you're you're stating the difference in prices basically because this position you're asking for are supervis people with different duties. Is that accurate? It's it's more of a hands-on position. It's less of a strategic position than it is more of an operational position and we've had a number of discussions with the administrators union about adding some of those

operational technology type positions to their union. Uh huh. But it would not be in the same type of structure as the other administration who are typically master's degree certified hold of Desi license and they supervise educational or professional level in This is a different type of skill.

It's more of an operational position, supervising operation. So, this position doesn't require the same education level. Correct.

Traditional educational level is the position that pays more.

Correct and doesn't supervise licensed. And doesn't supervise licensed personnel. Correct.

Okay. Thank you.

I'll entertain a motion. The table has been referred to the technology subcommittee so we can work out these kinks right now. Sure. Second. Second.

Anybody have any further discussion? Deb call us all please. Mister I give? Yes.

Mister Bailey? Yes. Mister Hart? Yes. Miss Laravie? Yes.

Miss Pereira? Yes. Miss Rodericks? Yes. Mayor Coogan?

Yes. Um 12. 8 is a discussion and an update on power school as presented by Scott Cabral.

Do you want me to start it?

Okay, you want it? So, I'll start. Superintendent, please.

Yup. Okay. Um so, as you know, we have implemented Power School this year. Started off the year. Um migrated throughout the summer and have been working through it here we are at the end of approaching the end of the school year. Um it's been an investment. We have to make a decision as to okay so do we continue with this investment or does it still make sense for us to do

that or do we do what we need do and look elsewhere. Um we have been we surveyed our staff. We have had many many internal meetings in regards to this and weighed out the pros and the cons for both systems.

we looked at. Our previous system Aspen as well as the current system power school. We also have had multiple meetings with both vendors to discuss our concerns and really have been at a place where it's important for us to to make the responsible responsibly fiscal fiscal the right decision for the district. Um I will say that the easy decision would be to say, okay, let's leave it everything as is and we

continue to move forward but we have to decide whether we are getting our bank for a buck so to speak and and say, is this the right system for us at this point? Um and going forward with another year, is it going to resolve some of the issues that we're seeing? Is it going to improve are we is it time to to say? Uh I personally I don't think that we can I can

advocate to enter into another year of a a very expensive model and to continue to move forward and and say that all of our concerns will be addressed moving forward. So certainly mister Cabral can go into some details in regards to our thought process but my recommend would be that we don't enter into another contract with Power school and that we actually we never let go of our Aspen contract

because we had it working side by side as we went through year one of implementation. So, I would recommend that we revert back our recommendations that we revert back to Aspen. Mister Cabral. Um so basically, just building our superintendent has said, we've done some surveys internally, 68% of the staff do not feel power school is a good fit for day-to-day operations.

Um some bullet points. Um at the early stages, the system went down way too frequently.

Um many people feel that the system is not easy to navigate.

Um many folks feel that the time it takes to complete a simple task is too time consuming. Um we all have been speaking of the ongoing health module issues throughout the year. Um the IEP process time constraints and basically the bottom line from staff is 68 percent really like to see us go back to Xtwo. Um as we discussed throughout the year, we went with the base model of Power School and in year two,

we were going to start to discuss customizations. Um that's the Budget Buster in my opinion. Um in this current year, eight customizations will cost us just north of a 000.

The piece that I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is they will also charge us maintenance fees moving forward for each additional year and that could be upwards of $32, 000 for just the customizations that I had listed in this report and that's not going to end the customizations because we're just, we're not there. We're going to need further customizations. Um we had a long, lengthy discussion

regarding the health module with PowerSchool and up until right before this meeting, I received an Email from Power School and they recommend that we look at a third-party application they don't even want us to, you know, further there. Um relationship on their health module. I got that right before we started the meeting and I I'll be, you know, glad to share that with the superintendent and she can

share it with the committee. Um we have in the last 2 months, mister Michael Azik is here. Uh our support was much better and I just feel like all of a sudden, their support has been dwindling. They're circling around issues. Um they're not helping us. Um the relationship that was sold to us was they were going to help us through everything and as of the last thirty, 60 days, the support is not there. We're literally

circling around the same issues, having a hard time getting, you know, tickets resolved and then they resolved and close the tickets and we're not at a resolution. Um so, in that process, Maria and I and members of the senior staff reached back out to followed Xtwo. Um the first thing that we spoke about was how our relationship ended because we just felt like we were in drastic need of support and

there was no support given nor did they want to help us. Um their leadership team has changed. There was one individual at the meetings that was part of the original team and they fully wholeheartedly agreed that, you know, they dropped the ball. They should have helped us. Um they to reach across the table and and to to say that piece for me was huge. I was not part of the X2 world back then. Um we've had

multiple conversations with them. We've met their new leadership team. Um they're willing to still maintain the 550 per student cost. They've basically and it's all spelled out here. I can go into specifics if you like after questions. Um they will have us ready for the 23twenty-four school year because we still have the system right now. So, you all remember that we maintain Dex two so we could

get to some of that data. Um so mister Michael Azek and our Sims team have already put together a reentry plan if it's the will of the committee to go back. Um bottom line is it's our responsibility as central office members to be fiduciary you know responsible there and it's just not. It's the costs are going to rise with Power School as we continue. Um and the the cost with Xtwo because of that lifetime agreement.

Year one, this a bit of a lift because they're going to have to get us back up and running but then year two, it drops too. We'd be paying $88, 000 a year for a full SIS system. Um one that has been proven over the years other than some hiccups in the last two or three. Um one that my team knows inside and out. One that 75% of the district staff members know inside and out. Um

as miss Ponce stated, I just think in order for us to make the right decision, yeah, there's, you know, we tried a system It didn't work. We've tried many other systems in the past that didn't work. Um we need to do what's right for the district and support the superintendent's recommendation. Second. Any further discussion? Well, I think there could be a lot of discussion. I just want to say

that it takes, I think, guts and integrity to go back and say, hey, we did this. It was, it did not work out in our best interest and now we've gotta go to something different rather than just sticking around and and continue try to push forward with something. So, I just, I appreciate that. That's all. Thank you. Anything further? Just quick. Uh we have a motion a second. Yes. Miss Quick. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I'm

sorry. And I and I wanted to just hop on to what miss Roderick said and it just the district acknowledging the dis dissatisfactory part of it as far as the faculty goes. You know, a lot of upset people this past year and we've heard it. We've heard it from a lot of people just but I I commend the superintendent, your team for, it does. It takes guts and let's just move forward. Let's

figure out the next steps and how we're going to make X two.

You know, work for us. That's all. I yield. Anything further, mister Ag, yeah? Yeah, I just want to commend the superintendent for taking this on. Um I've been a vocal person saying that I didn't think this was the right move. I didn't like the way that it was handled when it first happened.

Let's just call it like it is.

This was Matt Malone with a personal vendetta to try to get a different system in because he didn't like the individual we had. Period. I applaud Super upon so making this decision and I know moving forward that this team is going to work together to make Xtwo the best system that we can. The only thing I would ask is that you implore upon them to continue the discounted rate which I think you're going to walk in.

Yeah. When I looked at the data, it said, for the next school year, but you want to in the fine, the power school one, we had a lot of fine print that people agreed to that never read it, but that needs to be continued, whatever that is, so that two years from now, you don't come back and say, oh, they raised it to a 150, that's all. With that and thank you for your consideration. Deb,

please call the roll. Mister Aguia. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes.

Mister Hart. Yes. Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodricks.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes. Twelve nine is a discussion in vote to approve the supervisor of utility services job description as presented by Ken Pacheco, chief operatings officer and Tom Klugan, Human Resource Director.

So, this job description is the last piece of that leadership team that was presented to you at the Riog. This individual will supervise the utility workers in all of the cafeterias. And part time both part time and full-time workers. This person will be responsible for us. As you can read in the in the job description of the training of all of those people in those particular positions. Um the

IMP, all of the different programs that are very necessary in the in the food industry and also for the rest of the district. On charge of the fleet, the this department has the more vehicles than any other department in the district. So, would be a full package that this person would be responsible for and they would answer to mister Cunning overall. Um with what he has now. So, currently, these

people are being led sometimes and depending on the building by a lead, one of the lead cooks in the building and very very rarely by the food supervisors. Um so, there's a there's a disconnect with who they should be answering to and this position will fill that gap.

How many people are talking, Ken? Talking five current, full timers, five, full timers that we're bringing in Um part timers between 15 and 20 individuals. Across the district.

Thank you. Anything further, mister Aguyar. This is a position that we already approved in the. Yes. This is part of the budget. There's a wine item. It it was approved in in the Riorg. Which is therefore was in the budget.

Right. What was the amount of money in the budget? Um because I'm looking at what we have and it says salary and benefits to be negotiated. And I'm pretty sure that it when you had sent it wasn't like a I want to say it was like between 60 and 70 or something like that. It wasn't ninety a hundred. No, no, no, no. It's going to go. It's not. Um I think that's something that. It

mimic, it mimics some of the second shift supervisors. The dollars should mimic. Yeah, yeah. It shouldn't be anywhere near what the director of maintenance. Absolutely not.

There's only sixteen close.

Right. But whatever it is. Yup.

You know my stance on the utility worker. I think they should have been eliminated and never created but that being said, they're here. So, when I'm looking at this, you just said that mister Cutting is going to, they're going to report to mister Cutting. Now, mister

cutting doesn't even work for us And that's. And reporting to Mister Cutting at on a day-to-day basis. However, they will answer They're not going to be part of the custodial supervision at all.

So, if we're looking for a place to put them and you would like them to answer to someone else and they'll answer to me.

Well, I think they, it's not what I would want. I'm just saying it has to. So, when we did the reorganized, I had asked some questions about who reports to who and what and where it was very confusing but one of the things that came out of that was that we can't our own people that are school department employees reporting to a person who doesn't actually work for the schools.

In my opinion. So, I think that's happening in other jobs in the nutrition department which I think we need to stop.

So, when we're adding a person as a director, I think we need to look at the whole nutrition department and see

Like missus Ponce, do you think that mister Cunning should be, they should be our people reporting to mister Cunning as a non-school department worker?

I think day-to-day operations that he is going to guide them and lead them in the work but I think that supervisory like let's say to evaluate has to be followed public school. It will be. Yes. So, there there needs to be other changes I guess in that nutrition department that are going to come up at some point I'm assuming because that's not the case now.

The the supervision of all of the workers is done by two individuals who are doing that work and they are our employees. And who supervised?

This would be the third person.

They would answer to Bob but ultimately because he's a non-fall River Public School employee, it would land to the next supervisor or Bob's technical supervisor would be me.

Right. So

it begs the question of we had talked about this earlier with this workers in there that don't report to or at least haven't in the past. So, I had asked a question of if somebody's got a conflict, where do they report? Your answer to me was that they were Bob Cutting and

I just think it's a it's probably just wording but it needs to be just clear. So, everybody knows who's. Yeah.

Who's the direct report of who's your boss for evaluation, supervision, whatever. So, however you have to do, I think it it just needs to be clear but in this job description, it it says in the end, number 12, maintain all IPMs for food service and IPMs for the district. Yup. And I I'm assuming that means preventive maintenance? It's pest control.

Pest control. So, they would go to the school like.

You know, it says. So, this person would be, whatever contract that we have doing our pest control, this person would be that person who monitors them showing up, who looks at the invoices from that particular company to see what work is being done and where those phone calls came in. If there was an issue in a school, that would go to this person.

Yep, I I don't disagree and you know I I've thought we needed that but the title being nutrition is only reason why I asked that. Mm hmm. That's like a district thing but the title is cafeteria services. So, I don't know if it's a big deal but it it just I just think that. Put somebody in charge of it. Yeah, I would just think that to have two people a person on the school side and

and a person on the nutrition side going to the same vendor doesn't make a lot of sense.

So, one person handling all of that documentation to me makes more sense. And they would just obviously work with the man.

They would work with the director. Manager. Exactly.

They would work with maintenance. They would work with the custodial director.

Like I said, I'm going to

this but I don't necessarily support the overall. I think that still needs to be looked at by the superintendent because I don't think it's working as intended. Without a yield. Um do I have a motion a second on that one, Deb? Motion approved. I got a motion. Do I have a second? I'm second, Bailey. Call the roll, please, Deb. Mister I give. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes.

Miss Laravie. Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Roderick.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes. 1210 is discussion and vote to approve the finance specialist job description is presented by Kevin Almeida, chief financial officer and Tom Cooper. Motion approved. I have a motion to approve. I have a second.

Second. Do I have a second? Any discussion on this one? Mister Aguyar. Who's the current chief procurement officer? Is that you? It it would be me right now, yes. The the only suggestion that I would make is that looking at the job description, a good chunk of it is procurement. Yes. And as we had talked about before, like, when we add positions, there should be a rationale for why and you've done that with the

other like payroll was more

payroll. The the rationale I believe is behind the one page of Miss Ranger. There is. Oh, behind the job description. Not the rationale for the position but I think in the rationale, it talks about one of the main pieces is to make sure that procurement is a big piece of it. Yeah. And I think adding procurement to the job description, title, proposition title, will help to truth an advertising of what it is.

Okay. Because you might not believe this but every time we vote for things and people come to me and say, well, you added another position for that or whatever. When I'm reading this

it really speaks of taking the procurement piece and having a specialist on that pieces. It is. 80% of the job. It is. So, I would just recommend that we add procurement specialist or something because I think it's going to explain what it is.

You don't need another finance specialist. You need a procurement specialist. So, I'd like to make that. Okay. We have a motion to change the name to procurement specialist and I'd like to make that as a motion and emotional proof. I have a motion from mister idea to amend it to a procurement specialist. A motion second Deb called the role.

On procurement specialists.

Mister Aguila? Yes. Mister Bailey? Yes. Mister Harp? Yes.

Miss Larry? Yes. Mister Pereira? Yes. Miss Roderick?

Yes. Mayor Coogan? Yes. Now, on the original motion, do I have a motion, a second on that one?

So moved. Second. I have a motion second. Deb, would you please call the role on the approval of the position?

Miss Dragon? Yes. Mister Bailey? Yes. Mister Hart? Yes.

Miss Larry? Yes. Miss Burr?

Yes. Miss Roderick? Yes. Mayor Coogan? Yes. Okay, 1211 is discussion a vote to approve the prepaid tuitions as presented by Kevin Almeda, chief financial officer. So, I'm coming ahead. Motional proof. I have a motion. Can I pull two of those please?

There's two contracts in there that I can't go on. One, I sit on a board. Okay. Let's let it that way. Um miss Rodericks, which tour, which tour out? Um Judge Rotenberg Center and Smack Southeastern Massachusetts Educational Collaborative. Okay, so we have a hold from miss Rodricks on her two the Rotenberg Center.

Which number are they? Um it's all it's all part of the whole package. Okay. So, it's part of the $2. 1 million. So, it's part of the whole package. If I need to abstain from the whole thing, that's fine. No, it might not. But I just to be clear about both of those.

Okay. Thank you. Yeah and I'm going to. motion to approve with the acceptance exception of those two. Second. Nope. I have a motion to second on the on those and we also have one more abstention over here. Um Deb, would you please call the roll? Mister Aguin. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes.

Miss Laravi? Yes. Yes. Oh no, it happens to us. Huh? I thought the motion was to approve Except for those. Right. So.

So, Hold on. We gotta confuse him. Hold on. I thought thought we you moved quick. I said I had a question. So, number four. As premier. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I have to abstain from that. I see. And number seven.

So, you're going to abstain from four and seven? So, Mark Curve is standing on four and seven on the description and and miss Rogers, what. Can you say the name? Uh People Inc and number seven was the Durfee Car Center. Is that the one you're concerned about? So, number four is. People Inc. We're we're on the one with the 2. 1 million a lot of district trans prepaids and I don't see numbers. Yeah, we're in the

prepaid tradition. I apologize.

Yeah, I moved up. What the wrong thing? My apologies. We both moved up. My apologies.

Yeah. Alright, let's look at the prepaid. I'm sorry, miss Rodericks. Do you have anything on the prepaid? Yes, you mentioned the two. So, I made the two. Everything except the Judge Rottenberg and the Smek.

Thank you. Yeah. Second.

Alright. So, we got everything but Judge Rottenberg and the Smack. So, I'll vote on those.

Can we get a vote on that, Deb?

And then we'll go. I know.

Everything but those two. Miss Dragon? Yes. Mister Bailey.

Yes. Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Laravee. Yes. Miss Pereira.

Yes. Miss Rodericks. Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes. Now, those are the two that we have to vote on separately. Can I get a motion a second on Rotenberg and the Smack? Well, those are two separate votes. Motion approved Smack. Motion to vote Smack. I have a second on Smack. Second.

Call the roll please Deb. Let's drag you. Yes. Mister Bailey.

Yes. Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Laravie. Yes. Miss Pereira.

Yes. Miss Roderick. Abstain.

Mayor Cougar. Yes. Now, on the Judge Rottenberg. Motion to approve. Second. Deb, please call the roll. Mister Agu. No.

Mister Bailey. Yes Mister Hart?

Yes. Miss Laherty? Yes. Miss Pereira? Yes. Miss Rodericks?

No. Mayor Coogan? Yes. Alright.

So, now we're going to twelve.

12 is a discussion. And vote to approve the third quarter budget transfers as presented by Kevin Almeda. Motion approved. I have a motion a second. Do I have a second?

Second. I have a motion to second. Anybody have to hold off on these votes? Number four. Okay, so this is where miss Laravie has to hold on number four. And I believe number seven. And number seven.

Committee, I don't see numbers.

Are we? It's in the it's in the document that I prepared the the it's the first page of that section. Oh, sorry, sorry.

Yeah. People link. Question.

JRI is there. Katie Brown.

Mister Agia. And what was the other one? Yeah. So. 7. She's got four and seven that she's abstaining on. Okay. When we get there, she can't vote miss louder. Mister Agia. So, when you look at these we've always funded these organizations. Mm hmm. And at the beginning, we funded them for a certain reason or whatever. So, I would like to have backup of what we've been spending the money on. Okay. And recommendation

from the superintendent on what, why, and how. So, rather than just rolling it over. Yup.

Um some of these I I personally like better than others but it comes from the administration and we've been just kind of rolling them rather than have enough not just a presentation.

I want the superintendent and her team to come before and say, I think we should spend X dollars on this, this, and here's what we're going to get for that money. So, that is a little clearer than what we have had in the past. Any information that you have related to the past, if you intended that. What are you?

How many persons? How many years are you looking for? I think we've only been funding them for 2 years. It's been a while. I'm talking about all the nonprofits. Yeah. We used to do them in one. It's been a while. It's been a while. I did a I had been want to say why don't we spend it out of the extra money? Uh huh. So that it would be paying for next year.

But that was last year. So, I'd like to look at it in a little bit of a more thorough. Sure.

Example of what it's for. Okay.

Thank you. Thank you. No problem. Okay. Uh do I have a motion second Deb? You do. I do. Alright, so we're going to call the role on all except for. Keep a link. Four and seven. Four and seven. Mister I give. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes.

Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Laravee.

Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Mister Rodricks. Yes. Mayor Coogan.

Yes. Item number four, I'm looking for a a motion and a second on the School Committee Cost Center. So move. Covers a number of things. I got a motion. Second. And a second.

Item four. Deb, would you please question? Mister Agia, sorry. Just not along the same thing. Just we're looking at the wording of a placeholder. I would just like it be very clear that with the committee's going to vote on each of those individually. They are, yes.

Before they get implemented, even if it takes a little longer. Yup. Absolutely. Thank you. I yield. Let's try again.

Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes. Miss Laravie.

Upstate. Miss Pereira? Yes.

Miss Rodericks? Yes. Yes. Item seven is the Durfee Cost Center. I'm looking for a motion in a second on that one also. Motional proof. I have a motion to second. Deb, would you please call the roll?

Mister I guess. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes.

Mister Irving. Stand. Mister Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodricks.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes.

I have a number of retirements, resignation. To approve 13. 1, book point2, point 3, and point four. I have a motion to approve all of the informational part of the packet. Can I get a second, please? Second. Have a motion.

Second, Deb, would you call the roll? Miss Dragon. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes.

Miss Laravee. Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodericks.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes. Uh item number new business. Do we have any new business to come before the committee tonight? Hearing none. We have a request for executive session. Want to read the reasons before? Sure. Sure.

Master General Lawrence chapter thirty-eight section twenty-one A seven to review and approve the executive session minutes for April 10th, 2023 regular meeting of the school committee. Um National Laws Chapter 3-eight section twenty-one A three to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining relative to all administrators and employees represented by the former administrators

association as the chair of the term of the local session mayor with detrimental impact on a boggling position of the committee. National Laws chapter 38 section 2183 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining relative to all teaching employees, the former school system, including coaches, title one teachers, nurses, occupational, physical therapists, specialists, the teaching profession represented

by the former educators association as the chair is determined that no possession may have a detrimental impact on the bargaining position of the committee. National Law Chapter thirty-eight section twenty-one eight three discussed strategy with respect to collective bogging relative to all civil clerical employees of Forever School System represented by the Forever Department of Civil Service,

clerical employees Association, the chair of the that the no possession may have a detrimental impact on a bonding position of the committee. Uh thirty-eight section 2-1 A 6 to consider the purchase exchange, lease, or value of real property located at twenty-five oh one. South Main Street, Forward and Massa, the chair is declared an open meeting may have detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the

School Committee. National Laws chapter thirty-eight section 21 A two to conduct strategy session in preparation for negotiation with non-union personnel and to conduct a contract, negotiate, and or conduct contract negotiation with non-union personnel including Grace Koster, administrative assistant, Paula Saws, executive assistant to the superintendent. Sandra Silva, payroll manager, community facilitators,

instructional support liaisons, Early childhoods support staff.

Jesse Gonzos, Guzman, Darlene Hanson, Hassan, and Kelly Pereira.

Technically, technology department, computer technician Steven paint tilt Paul Tukowski, Jason Oliveira, Jason Reese, Chad Alves, Devin Costa, Brittany Estrella, and Patrick Tavares. School information system staff including Brian Michael Azak, Sims coordinator, Melissa Pereira, data specialist, and data technician. Fred TV, staff including Renee Kochman, director of operations and media, Pauline McGrath, General

Manager, Pamela Nickerson, media editor, instructor Craig Salvador, production technician, and Kevin Varrow, community field coordinator, Bruce Assad, Bruce Assad Legal Council, the School Committee, Doctor Amy Brownhard, assistant superintendent of Student Services and Strategic Integration. We would reconvene the main may not be statements at that time. Can I get a motion in a second to go in the

second? Second. I have motion second. Dev, would you please call the roll? Mister I give.

Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes. Mister Laramie. Yes Is Pereira? Yes. Miss Rogers?

Yes. Mayor Coogan? Yes.

We're back in order. Deb, could you please call him in Miss Dragon? Here. Mister Bailey.

Here. Mister Carr. Here. Miss Laravie. Miss Laramie. Miss Laramie. Here. Miss Pereira.

Here. Miss Rodricks, still here. Mayor Coogan. Here. Um anything further to come before the committee? Committee.

Mister Hart. A motion to approve the executive session minutes for April 10th, 2023.

Regular School Committee Meeting. Second. I have a motion in second. Any discussion? Deb, please call the roll. Mister Agya. Yes.

Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Laramie. Yes.

Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodericks. Yes. Mayor Coogan.

Yes. Um mayor motion to approve a contract of Amy Bronhud as negotiated. Second. Any discussion on the contract?

Deb, would you please call the roll? Mister Agya. Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Harp. Yes.

Miss Laravie. Yes. Miss Pereira. Yes. Miss Rodricks.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes. Uh mister mayor motion to approve the contract of Bruce Assad as negotiated. Check it. Any discussion on the contract?

Dad, would you please call the roll? Mister Ag, Yes. Mister Bailey. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes.

Mister Larvey. Yes. Mister Pereva. Yes. Mister Roderick.

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes. And one more mister mayor. Mister Hart.

Motion to approve the value of real property located at 2501 South Main Street. Uh the lease has negotiated. Second. I have a a motion a second. Any discussion? Dad would you please call the roll? Mister Agham. Yes. Mister Ben. Yes.

Mister Hart. Yes. Mister Laravi. Yes. Mister Pereira.

Yes. Mister Rodricks. Yes.

Mayor Coogan. Yes. Anything further to come before the committee? No. Motion to adjourn. I have a motion.

Second. Deb, would please call the roll? Miss Draghill. Yes.

Mister Baylor. Yes. Mister Hart. Yes. Miss Laravie? Yes.

Herrera? Yes. Miss Rodricks?

Yes. Mayor Coogan. Yes.

Adjourned.