5 24 2023 Redevelopment Authority

like to welcome everybody to the Wednesday May 24th 2023 meeting of the Fall River is open to the public to attend in person and at the lover from State recording the Open Session can be viewed at Fall River government television fww.f.frgtv.us first item is called to order an open meeting statement person went to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording this public

meeting or to be transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised at such recording a transmission or being made with a procedure unperceived by those present and are deemed you start out with a roll call also participating tonight or Sarah page our executive director John Coughlin Council Kenwood Hall administrative services consultant Karen Martin a project coordinator John Erickson here

Joan Medeiros here Ron Russen here and Keem here okay um are there any comments on the meeting uh minutes from the Open session from uh 426.

um so move second John Erickson yes Joan Medeiros yes Ron rouson yes chair makes a finding that open session would have a detrimental effect on negotiating and litigating the position of the public body the purpose of the executive session is to improve the executive session minutes from 4 26-23 I'll discuss strategy with respect to potential potential litigation regarding City Pier project

real estate transactions in a recent way 2501 South Main Street possibly requiring real estate on the downtown urban renewal plan a new roll call to enter into executive session and return to open session at the conclusion of the executive session John Erickson yes Joan Medeiros yes Ron Newson yes

um first item on our agenda here is uh I need a motion to authorize the chair to execute an amendment to the Hudson Holdings land disposition agreement in the so moving second all in favor yes okay next item is um yeah I need a motion to authorize the chair to execute documents to award the RFP 2307 to contractors Landing LLC for the docs 2302 okay yeah yeah I had I had corrected that run it

was a type so this is the this is the um contract for the South Main Street Building okay yeah well oh I'm sorry that's the name of the company right sorry uh so do I have a motion approved John Erickson Wisconsin I um in tandem with that I also need a motion to authorize the chair to execute the purchase and sale of the same property motion to approve second John Erickson night

John maderasai Ron Russ and I um I need a entertain a motion to authorize the chair to execute a lease agreement with the forward school department for the forms attached that we've discussed so we'll move second second John Erickson yes where was condos yes John maderasius Ron Russen yes okay we have the uh tomorrow any questions on the warrant is like 20 24 items good without exactly you okay with us yes um

I'm just looking at the numbers yeah motion approved the warrants second John Erickson yes yes okay I see here so the requisition 10 um is the other thing we discussed with the warrant I just need a motion to approve the approve payment of that number 10. what's the payment we're doing uh 127.

1270.78.

motion to approve to authorized payment Mis record requisition number 10 for 127 0.78 second second John Erickson yes Wisconsin yes okay next next item on Deck is the intermunicipal agreement revision and renewal um definitely so the Redevelopment Authority had a three-year um agreement called in an intermunicipal agreement between the city and the Redevelopment Authority talking about um

you know roles the Redevelopment Authority plays and roles the city will play to support the Redevelopment authorities work so it includes um our uh having our Personnel you know our salaries and our benefits all Personnel issues running through the city's Personnel Department um it includes our having an office in the city building um it includes uh you know the we have access to the custodians in the building

and it included a lot of other items so we it runs out in the end of June I've talked with uh Seth the city administrator he said that we definitely should renew that but we don't want to renew it as is because we're three years later things are different so he encouraged us to have John work with us on a revised proposed agreement and take it to him and start talking

about it so I would like to have were a member of the board work with us on this agreement because now we have issues around CD peer there are things that we should think about in terms of services that we provide to the city and things that we would like the city to continue to provide and potentially pay for so um that's where we are we'd like to start really working on that and

we're looking for help with that great that's super so 37 days until June 30th right I think we'll have it done by then yeah if not we can continue the other one month a month okay all right perfect thanks John no problem yeah because there's a section of the statute that creates the Redevelopment Authority 121b as a section that encourages cities to provide provide services to the Redevelopment

staff provide so it's a it's kind of a mechanism to let them help out in lieu of contributions okay we should take them up um so on steep here we've had a few meetings um with uh Patty pat patty Rigo Patrick from The Narrows Samantha L Elena Samantha just discussing different activities you know do you want to speak to it sure so um yeah the other members are Samantha Barbosa who's the brand new uh

events person for the city and Elena's been involved but Elena's last day was yesterday and so um she's been enormously helpful we're proceeding now with Samantha and um so we have a whole group of plans set up um Patty and Patrick are willing to organize them the mayor has funding to pay for them the new information is that the mayor really wants us to open CD Pier for the 4th of July which we had

expected it to be open but he would like us to have one to two Food Trucks Troy City Brewery providing um Refreshments an ice cream vendor and a DJ or a small acoustic band and what Karen and I want to raise is that rather than having a nice soft opening of City Pier events this is a really Dynamic opening for City Pier events and we're still learning about permits needed for serving beer on the

the pier and you know we're still in a real learning curve and we just want to run this by the board and see what you think the other piece of this is Karen has to be she already had a commitment I can be there but we're going to need a number of people there watching crowds watching issues that could arise so we would need to find volunteers we might want to hire some

some folks from a security company I you know last year we were worried we had it all closed off because we weren't done with construction and we had let the police know that we wanted them kind of monitoring the pier and we tried to get a policeman to a police person to um you know we use a that we would pay them and they would use their free time to

come over and work on the pier and we couldn't find anyone who wanted to volunteer to do that on Fourth of July and most of the police department is hugely committed um for all the activities on the fourth so we ended up feeling like you know nothing happened there were no problems but we didn't feel like we could really rely on the police department to be monitoring things because they're way

too busy so we would need to figure out how we're going to staff CD Pierce so that we can manage the crowds and the activity is a Tuesday right it's already going to be crazy down there because of the fireworks right I mean don't you think maybe do it July 2nd so it's not double busy well there's more people down on the weekend the mayor wants this happening when on the

night of the fireworks so they have bands down there they have all kinds of Fourth of July so he's envisioning it all happens when the fireworks are happening When the Crowds go down there is there other food down there July there is the result it's very vibrant down there it's crazy and I think part of it is that with Duval Street all ripped up um the food that might have been along

Duval Street uh are not necessarily going to have spaces so it makes City Pier even more valuable as a place to have food and music but we're sure that the fireworks are on the fourth yes yes as long as it doesn't rain because the next day is a work day right yep who is paying for this who is are we looking to get donations I mean I'm just just for especially when

we get police details and man yeah they get expensive and you know people are going to be sitting there because the fireworks is right behind it it's going to be a mob there right there is no doubt so we're just uh serving Refreshments to a mob that we know is going to be there wait a minute let's back up for a second we're not serving anything no we're going to have vendors

right yeah so so Refreshments would be served on the pier by food trucks right so so we're going to have vendors who are going to be providing right the refreshments to folks I guess my big question mark is the liquor license issue right who has to deal with that is it us it typically right typically the vendor gets a one-day liquor license it's big enough to do a licensing board if you're a licensing board they also

provide indemnifications and insurance and so Troy City is is typically doing that for events that the city is organizing so we would follow that that example or follow that but we would we would want some kind of basic license or permit then everybody sign say they agreed to mature us indemnify us I've got sample forms but we need something that everybody signs but then who's going to do security and

stuff whether right Troy City may have to get a police detail licensing board may require them to do they may require the you know the the secure so the whether you have Tri-City or no food trucks at all you're still going to have a ton of people yeah exactly yeah right yeah so it's you know it's just people are just going to naturally rightfully so gravitate because there because it's

the best location to see the fireworks like Bicentennial Park or anything like Bicentennial Park Heritage Spock and not a city pan right so you know the the crowd size is not going to be determined by the activity level as much as it is by the location and we have another meeting on it tomorrow sir two o'clock yes yes do we have a meeting between now and the fourth six days before so we probably

one meeting sorry 42 42 days until July 4th the next meeting six days later July 4th so if we're I'm just so decided if we're going to do this we should probably authorize the chair to sign some kind of license or permit with these because you're gonna have to sign these things in advance if we're going to do it yeah I thought we were going to use the form that um the city is developing well they've

been developing a form but it's not fully in place yet so I think we can look at what their form is but this indemnification form I think I think it's on there it is but they ask in the Redevelopment already to sign that who's signing it so basically they it's a form and it tells you what require what they're kind of what their requirements are and we're supposed to respond to let Sam uh Samantha like know

what we want for our criteria the kind of this this that we're putting in place but we're not going to have that in place I don't think by July 4th and we're not really asking people to respond to us in that way the mayor's trying to decide on a couple of food trucks and he's going to pay for the musician and and it's not I don't think anyone's applying through that process but I know

that process has a form for indemnification and we'll want John to look at it and see if he thinks it's yeah and if not I've got a standard license agreement that I've used all over the place I mean it's not it's very I think the Redevelopment story wants its own yeah we want somebody else which is mine that we just have to get that to Sam because the initial applications cognizant of us this is a Redevelopment

Authority processary property right so you can have your own forms you can mirror the cities forms or whatever but you know this is not something that the city necessarily controls it's the reason right right right right so we're going to have our own process and process our own applications line if somebody wants to use off property I don't think a permit from the city gets you there because they don't

own it no no no no but the initial all that initial stuff because the problem is is that they can screen out who is a real application and by the time you get to somebody who's coming on our land then they would need to sign something say yeah we authorize them to come on our land they indemnify us tourists and we can do that so yeah so I think we're jumping ahead from where this committee

is and what what might happen but what the city is saying we they would do for us if we want is they're going to have this process on their website where people can apply to go to this park in that park and if we want we can have the application go through this process that says we want to use City Pier and Samantha will do some work to figure out who they are

what they are and then bring it to us and we will decide if we want to have that group use City Pier and then we would take over they would sign our forms what's the need for the important notification right but it would so it's not that we're handing over to this city approvals or anything but we would decide if we want to go through this public process that kind of screens things out and

um gives people a whole checklist that rather than are developing that checklist which we expected ourselves to do the city has developed one that's generic for lots of locations in the city and so it isn't done yet so we haven't brought it to you I hope we can bring this option to you and we can decide if we want to do it or not but in the meantime we need to have documents

to deal with the Fourth of July because I don't think this is all going to be in place by the 4th of July so um should I should I get a motion if you're going to allow vendors on the 4th of July we should have emotionally right they need to have some just authorizing that she had to sign a license agreement with and I'll give you the draft that we can use so I just need emotions

drop a need for a license in 40p on July 4th okay yeah second John Erickson yes Joan Medeiros yes whatever it is you know now what about this whole security issue um does the board want to authorize us to find volunteers find security talk with the mayor about it how do you want you should ask the mayor what they currently do because they've been running fireworks down there forever right so we just happen to be an

additional piece now that has not been open previously but I've been there for fireworks for years I can't set me on police I can't say that I've ever noticed additionally if the city is wanting to use the pier for this purpose and to enhance the activity levels and they should be required to provide whatever security is necessary I mean they Patrol food right they're gonna have they're going to have that

centennials they're going to have to have walking beats yeah from Bicentennial up through I don't know we're in the middle is the alcohol or beer

you know about that right liberates America right so it was like the huge festive Texas tennis were full yeah so whatever they did back then I assume the licensing board will ask for a police detail but I don't know the answer to that for at least we're towards cities license board will recommend everything any venue of police officers and then Troy City would have to pay that cost

and we should also talk with me about the cleanup of it after yeah we did talk about that didn't we yeah and we just got to notify the Joe and D Cam and he will make sure I told him I would be letting him know when our events are and that he would plan his cleanup accordingly the next day likely well just a little aside where we're talking about the pier there's going to

be some punch lists going on and Karen has talked with the contractors about you know cordoning off the area where they're working so no one's walking through wet uh clocking or anything like that um so we had a meeting um a kind of a kickoff meeting last week with the contractors for the coastal uh it's a Coastal Construction yeah before we get to the dock can we talk about the peer access the peer access with the

relation to Public Access um well that's what I was just saying is that what you're talking about yeah there's more to it more to it yeah we also want to get the um towards opinion and view of us keeping those Gates unlocked so that we can have like handicap the handicap parking and access and just having them open yeah because it's been mentioned that people would bring somebody there that's

handicapped but they have to park on the street and then Welcome Way and Gates aren't always open so we we were we wanted to talk about just leaving them open and trying it out which kids are we talking about to drive into the driveway oh yeah yeah circular Park okay yeah so it's it's worrisome that we well especially with Duval Street all ripped up you know we had envisioned that people who had a you

know used a wheelchair and parked to their van they could get out on the sidewalk and come over to the pier but even then we're deny you know there's the question are we denying people access these beautiful wheelchair accessible parking spaces because we just keep the gate closed all the time and do we really need to keep the gate closed and that question came up many times as we've been planning the pier we

had decided at one point closed but with Duval Street ripped up it's now being questioned and people are saying they don't think there's going to be vandalism and a lot of problems if we leave them open well Heritage State Park has a pro as a process where they close their gates at night right well that that wire us to have someone closing our games right because it's been issues

there with loitering litter congregation and things of that nature so people on our committee have said that they think that that Heritage Park is different and that we wouldn't have that problem why is that yeah Centennial Bicentennial is open all the time yeah it's got a point What's the difference if bicentennials open they're open it is pretty well lit up at night yeah that was one of the arguments

it's really lit up really public cool no I'm saying that's a good Bridge every night right State Police really wow wow well the real question is are you under legal obligation to open that which area

and we don't have Gates that they go off right now that's just a big problem right just Vehicles yeah in the beginning we remember we were even talking about whether we even needed Yates remember in the very beginning when we decided Well yeah you can try it see how it works yeah try and see if it's an issue if it's an issue then you have to adjust it it's first time

exhibition I think we should try it yeah okay so we should start now and give it a try and bring it to the board at the next meeting yep that's nice one let's see if there's any incidents thank you notes can we request the city that I mean I know the police do the best they can but can that be part of their kind of normal driving by just

keep an eye on it no it's it's a change use right it's open and there's really no difference there than anywhere else along the Waterfront because Heritage State Park only closes the Water Street a lot it doesn't close that other lot that's right along the Wall Street right so you know I think I think you know we got to trust the public right if it becomes an issue you gotta deal with it

but let's let's look at it optimistically yeah and I think you know the issue of closing a gate on wheelchair accessible parking spaces we need to look into that if there's if there are more issues there that's what people are implying so so um what I started to talk about earlier was we had a kickoff meeting with the contractors for the for the docs and um

has some things to report on that um yeah so we did have a kickoff meeting pre-construction meeting we met the project superintendent um and um kind of project um uh executive I guess he called himself um and we've received their bond we received all their insurance documents we received there we have received um uh beta has it their schedule of values they're reviewing and a few other

documents they're reviewing and they've submitted to us um a schedule a tentative schedule which is really all triggered around the fabrication of the floats themselves so and it looks like they will um be within our specifications for the contract duration and it looks like they'll probably be a week and a half doing land work and probably a little over a week floating in on docs and getting that all

done so we're hope pretty optimistic that by the middle of August we will have um viable docks at the City Pier and then with that we did get a revised proposal from beta regarding their construction phase of the project and um they delineated out in much more detail what they would do on site with their um their residence rep and they did confirm that the gentleman that we had that did

the pile installation will be available and he was at our pre-construction meeting and he was actually pretty helpful at that meeting too he had some good information about the piles for the guys and stuff so um and then so basically they adjusted down their amount of time for the resident observation just to the roughly five weeks just give or take if there's any issues that do arise as as part of

the progression of the job and based on 40 hour work week so it cut it almost in half so with their other review and approval and close out that proposal dropped down to just under fifty thousand dollars so um I think what we'd like to do is see if we can get approval and move forward with that and um they are I I think we did mention this at the last meeting it looks like

they're using structural um structure from Marine for the fabrication of the dock so and that that will be um and they were well aware of the schedule and should be able to accommodate so there were aluminum with composite because is it ten thousand dollars a week what's that for what for beta no it's only um it's fifty thousand dollars five weeks at 40 hours a week times 150 hour 30 000

just for the on-site stuff so what's the other 24. there's review and Shop drawings and this project close out and then just miscellaneous expenses but this is all billed out at time and material this is not a lump sum contract so but it's certainly more than the five weeks they'll be out there for construction Administration I don't know five weeks that seems awfully short doesn't it no it seems a lot to be out

there well I mean it is the only the only complicated aspect of this project really is the land work yeah right that's so what were they schedule for that in your schedule roughly nine to like two weeks yeah two weeks right so then they bring the dogs in right but the the docs are just tying around the pilings right and then they have to drive the one pile yeah there's some one yeah we

went we went all through with them but again it's not that's just that I uh it's it's based on hours yeah okay I think they've shot a little high yeah I would just make sure that somebody's tracking potentially it was three weeks but from everything we've learned we don't really believe they'll be in and out and we got we know for a fact that we can drive that pile yes okay without any further approvals yeah yeah

ABS piles all the way around the one more pile is no problem uh so I I need a um I have to entertain a motion to authorize the chair to sign this ready to hold approval to sign the proposal with beta for the construction Administration for the installations yes okay next thing up is Pleasant Street road map so we had a really good meeting Advisory Group we was attended by a number of people who

really expressed opinions and um we're looking for all of the input on the roadmap document and the urban renewal plan draft by Friday of this week so Karen sent out reminders to people there were some members of the committee who thought they could come and then weren't able to so we're really hoping that we'll get their input and we asked about public engagement and public input

because earlier in this process we had that big public meeting it was very hard to get people there we think people came from all over the city but we don't think that we fully uh that we got enough of the neighborhood there and so Andrew raposo the city councilor uh proposed that we go to the Festa event that happens the first weekend of June where time lots of people come out

and so Mike Dion thought that was a great idea and we pursued the idea of borrowing a tent from viva Fall River and being out there with survey documents that um Emily Innis will develop and Mike in the community development agency have agreed to pay for all these we're calling it swag but frisbees for kids little backpack things that's and we have a logo created that just says we vitalize the Flint in kind of

interesting lettering forms and um then a whole lot of stickers that we could give to the businesses along uh Pleasant Street to give out and you know we give out that day and we'd have a lot left over is Karen did a great job of going to the firm that Patty uses all the time and getting um things that we would have by next Friday for this event and um the really good thing about that is

we're not asking people to come to us we're going to them now the issue is that there's probably not all of the Flint neighborhood represented coming to this event so then we need to think about how are we reaching out to other people another really good idea that was put out at the meeting from Carlos Carlos Caesar was that when he walks up and down Pleasant Street business people

come out and say oh Carlos you know he's head of the Business Association so they you know reach out to him and talk with him about their issues so he suggested a few of us walk Pleasant Street letting the businesses know probably ahead that we're doing this and that we would go visit all the businesses bring them some of these materials and really ask for their input in a really structured way

then there's the potential of how do we get the rest of the neighborhood and one is we could work with um the many different apartment complexes both affordable and all the market rate apartment complexes which we're afraid we didn't reach out to enough in the first public meeting and do something like give them the surveys somehow get the surveys to everyone in their building with the Box in their Lobby so that

people could just drop their survey documents in the lobby and then we would go pick up the box at some point the other option that I want to ask you about is do we want to do um do we want to mail a mailing with a survey in it to the whole Target area that's that's something that I've done in a neighborhood when it was really hard to uh kind of go go door to door

and what we did was say if you send in your your survey we'll put your name into a drawing for a gift certificate and we we put a large amount I think we gave 250 or something and we got a really good response so that's another thought do we want to go that way and we make it affordable by asking one of the non-profits in our group to let us use their non-profit

mailing capacity so I would go first to um Julie on our commit and see if she would help us do that so that's um that's open for your input and how many people's attack in the area we have I we're not sure and so we don't have the numbers for you that was an idea that's kind of come much more recently the other ideas we're gonna go to Festa we're going to uh go

to all the businesses we're going to somehow get to the apartment complexes but the idea of what it will cost to do the mailing we still have to do the research on so do you have a survey ready to go well Emily's developing one and she's going to have to have it developed by next Friday and she she's working on it from what I understand we left the meeting saying

okay we're going to need a survey one of the ideas that we have for it is just to kind of try to get people thinking by saying if you had a million dollars to invest in revitalizing the Flint how would you use your million dollars and we think that that gets people thinking more creatively than just what do you think needs to be done have uh have you thought about doing the survey online

yeah we did that the first time and we got very little response and we've gotten a lot of criticism like who do you think in the Flint wants to really do it by a QR code lots of people don't you know the Flint has a lot of older people and a lot of people just felt like we weren't reaching people doing a combination like we can certainly at that um at that event you

can have a QR code hey skin that's what you think what you would like to see in the Flint that's how you beat him into it well we can certainly have

right because people like you would much rather do it with a QR code of course I'm just gonna it's gonna be a big thing what would you like to see in your neighborhood scan this code scan the code yeah they're doing a survey I don't really know yeah you know you're not asking them hey would you please like to sign up and do this survey so we can you

know I mean yeah what would you like to see in your neighborhood you know I mean yeah that's an option and then other people can get a paper survey or talk you get a combination of it too I sent out a professionally made flya 22-50 people for three years every time the owner for a book I offered a Halal gift card on it had a nice picture had every condo sold every condom was on the

market had information about how condos are running different rules that are coming up I never got more than 11. yeah in three years so and I opened 100 gift card to a different restaurant every month never got more than 11. addition people who have jobs on house that a little bit probably higher income that dipped me into these not mentioned I don't know if you'd I don't know if a

because the meal is expensive they cost me 200 cost me like 1800 a month right I just think like maybe put them in stores yeah you know people can just scan it with their phone what would you like in your neighborhood it's all about the catch line you know right like well ask the businesses to hand them out will people go into the business in a business and you could have the QR code on them

on the form as well as well yeah yeah you know just what I'll give God just fill us out quickly who would you like to see in your neighborhood or something something they scan it boom they're sitting there waiting at the business make it simple too you know a couple questions not in like 10 questions right you know what I mean yeah simple and easy and dummy proof Survey Monkey and you're done

so do you think that we should add the incentive of everybody who fills out a survey will be put into a drawing for a gift card definitely yeah you've got to make it good yeah make it make it three people or something how many people win right

yeah I think you have to make it a high level for people to pay attention I'll sponsor for you if God don't allowed each I got plenty of gift cards in my house okay lots of three of them so we'll offer 300 gift cards now I have them between a restaurant group and two other places

Okay so I think we're all set with that Karen do you want to add anything to that you've been working hard on it no okay just that um can we go on to see then yeah that's that's a really quick update um the for the downtown historic district to the Consultants at the forms and information to that has State historic commission and they got back to him and said that they had numerous

staff revealing it and we should expect to have an answer this week or next week or responsive so that's good and should I go to D so uh I just sent the appraisal to you so you could uh see what came back for 191 Commerce Drive there's someone uh who's expressed a lot of interest I sent that firm the appraisal information on the wet ones and uh information about what you might be able to build there

and I sent that to Ron Ron do you have anybody still no they thought it was overpriced right they weren't looking for they would do I think it's somewhere in probably 225 250 range yep I do think the fall 480 is high I do I mean if somebody's going to start a company they I don't it's not like they can put a big building up here make it worth on 500

000 it's always only a record building that small area and they have to get to the area it's gonna be expensive too so I just think that my thing with prison I did talk to cannibal he thought that uh probably 10 I thought it was one I don't think it's 2.5 250 but I don't think it's 40.

should we be should we talk with the appraiser about that anybody should reach out to them I think you gotta be careful about manipulating appraisal right okay I know yeah right it just looks like we were looking at it quick before the meeting in Adam I'm not sure he really considered everything well how much how much how much um developable land is there it's a challenge yeah so but I'm just say how much is this

that's a complicated question there's an easy acre and a half and it used to be marketed that there was an acre and a half but in reality there are another couple of Acres of Upland but they're very hard to reach because of where the wetlands are and but they are reachable so I think he compared it to other properties that have a lot of wetland but this property is especially difficult because where exactly the

wetlands are and so that I think has been the Dilemma all along it said like so he's gonna eat and a half you've seen three hundred thousand dollars makeup it was only eight and a half as Uplands and then the cost of getting to the upper limbs that are Uplands to get over the wetlands is very expensive right you need a lot of approvals so he was not based using it on developable Acres he

was basing it on the number of Acres which is over five acres and so I think it's problematic because um you know information I gave him about um integration way was developable acres and he did translate that into numbers of Acres but it doesn't matter how many acres you're buying if only a couple are developable and I'm just not sure that that got factored the way we might expect and so

so now we have uh an appraisal that people may feel is high and um he said um Ron 10 10 000 square foot building with 20 parking spaces or a 15 000 square foot building with nine parking spaces which isn't really well those are just based on what the engineering firm suggested you could put on there without filling the Wetland in any way yeah without manipulate but there is access to that developable

land without going over the wetlands it was very small it's like a little strip a little yeah but you can get there right yep I'll pass that rule to get to it I don't know but I know that you could do it on a motorcycle no no no you build a driveway yeah but you could drive it's contiguous yeah I think if you hug the property line on the left side the north side right it's

contiguous yeah and then you get to another big you so correctly if I'm wrong John but you could declare this land to be a hardship and petition dhcd uh with a request to sell it for less money because of the configuration yeah you could so if you could if you entered into a pns agreement and you you'd have to make it subject to dhcds right subject which would be subject which is anyway right because

they'd have to sign off on it but you'd have to make the argument as to why you'd be selling it off at less than the appraised value right so there is a mechanism to do that so that may be worth um maybe worth the exploring I know that when we did the um there was a Joan fabric building we actually reduced the appraised value of that property because there were site little premium site development cost

because it was all wedge and you couldn't put the building there unless you hammered all the ledge out so an appraisal is you don't know that when you're doing an appraisal obviously unless you do test borrowings but we were able to convince the hcd that there should be some cost savings because of the premium development cost you just have to make it clear when you marketed to buy us that's subject yeah

and they don't get too far down the road yeah yeah they want to get down they want to get that five dollar road to figure out what they can offer you have to I mean when it's Wetlands like this it's tough I think that road was I think I figured 450 feet you know 200 220 a foot you're talking over 100.

swim against that parcel is going to be used in that back piece using a bat piece yeah of course they'll be using it for storage they'll be using if they're doing something right so there is some value to that you know the fact that you have to put in a roadway there you know whoever the you know you're going to have to do that anyway you'd have to if you're buying a piece of property you'd

have to put asphalt down anyway right so is it is it a dirt road now what people no there's no way if you said a rock you want to hook them off and get to the back where it's dry it's about it's I think it's 650 or 670 feet 450 to get around to where you want to be yeah so this is how that's expensive room if they put asphalt if we're going over Wetlands they're not

going over Wetlands but you would hit 200 feet epw comes in all different rules you could put a crushed along yeah they've actually been better put crushed on because you wouldn't be paying the stormwater fee yeah because impervious surface if we looked at a hardship case and reduced the price I would I wouldn't I don't think you'd reduce it I would think if somebody makes an alarm

right then we will make an argument that it's a hardship and see what they say I would take the highest offering yeah and have them but the offer with the hardship yeah this is why I'm working at this price exactly then it could be site development costs it could be an overflow the amount of wetlands the configuration of wetlands whatever how are you going to Market this well we need to put a new sign up

because finally Mark Brown got his sign down and you need to put our own you know the phrase this is an urban renewal plan area so you don't have to Market it you can enter into direct negotiations no I mean but I do we have anybody who's that trail how are we even letting everybody knows yeah there's been at least two parties that have made inquiry right but one of

them came to us because they saw the old sign well so we need to get a sign up and um well at this point if you got two interested have a make an offer right right and you can still put your sign up but have a big deal and make it off it's kind of a squatter spot now yeah you got the trucks there yeah that's always been a concern because you know the other

thing is hopefully there's not oil in gas in the chapter 21 e issues there what's on what's on both sides parking lot is that was it Holden this is not homan's uh we got Atlantic Atlantic lighting and then you've got um it used to be Joan fabric so I figured whatever that is yeah right yeah something displays displays to go yeah yeah to go I was trying to think if somebody who bought that property worked

a deal with the neighborhood yeah I know other people have explored that feasibility with some land on the other side and it was at that point there was no interesting watch the landfill right in the back in the back yeah yeah which there are monitoring Wells that are checked quarterly to make sure there's no migration of any contamination if it's somebody who is creative could go to a neighbor and say

sell me a 10-foot strip they're not as close to the Wetland so I can make a watch lots of things you can do it's saying here that part of it was part of the runway from the whole it was a Runway yeah and uh those Wetlands I mean those are not true Wetlands because it was all Runway those are just Wetlands that was as dry Asic again there was a Wetlands

that appeared as a result of different drainage patterns because that was all that was the airport two runways in two different directions right there crisscrossed each other

does anybody have any other questions on anything or um I just do want to just mention that Ann Keane had to leave after the um executive executive session if anybody doesn't have anything else I just need a motion to adjourning to adjourn second John Erickson yes yes thanks everybody