5.31.2022 Sewer Commission

welcome to the uh four river civil commission meeting of march of may 31st pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meetings or any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible okay

we all have our agendas i believe if you can just uh state for the record who's present and who's um at this point i guess we're going to do attendance anyways right yep roll call coach president here uh remember susan here uh remember how yak uh president uh you are remote by zoom correct okay thank you um all right first item on january citizen input is there any citizen input i don't believe anybody signed up for

citizen input everybody that's here is on the agenda underneath item number three okay this takes us excuse me to item number three stormwater fee appeals assessment appeals number two i'm sorry number 12.

um minnesota previous meeting uh i believe uh the minutes are in our packet uh i believe we've all had the opportunity to check it out and see if you can if there's any additions or corrections if you don't have any um i'll detain a motion to uh to approve the minutes of previous meeting held on march 2nd make a motion to accept second all in favor aye aye okay i'm sorry now this takes us to item

number three stormwater fair p assessment appeals we have can i just make since we do have a uh one member you know participating remotely we may just want to do roll call votes for all the individual votes okay um i feel like i'll solve the rule for that before uh remember how we act yes remember yes yes okay this takes us to um to the uh appeals we have four individuals who are appealing their

stormwater phase it's my understanding that these fees the fees that we are charging them just recently went into effect for them correct yes correct well that only when you got your water bill you found you had a stormwater fee and you said oh my god and you call down here and so forth and you've been in touch with mr furling and i believe mr furland and the process in which we go through um

i think believe put it in writing the reasons the reasons why what you were being in charge of stormwater female for the most part is due to the fact that you basically were off the books so something that started back in 2008 had a revision done in 2010 or i believe 2010 or 11.

at which point modifications were made to the ordinance and fortunately enough for you people you are still off the books and we i guess have to fix our books and make everything right and we found that few people unfortunately for us are not being charged the stormwater thing and that's the primary reason why you now are being in charge that you've had probably for the most part an 11 year um i guess you could say

a free ride so that's basically why we're charging you that now if there's any questions in your mind as to do we have a right to do that the answer of course we have that right to do it we have an ordinance in place that spells out what what we can do what we look at in terms of your property that helps us decide whether you're charged or not so um

i guess you can we can you can stop first with if you want mr you're at the top of the list mr cadero i'm just what's the purpose of the rainwater for you what have you guys done differently did you add a sewer that i don't know of or sugar go ahead paul yeah so if you want uh you know so stormwater fee has been charged uh went into effect it's

president el media said in 2008. um all the neighbors around you uh were uh charged stormwater fee at that point um we were going through and uh looking at some things on properties in that area and we've noticed that there was a number of properties that weren't being charged stormwater not all of them uh a very small number so uh we saw there was impervious area on those lots so that's

when we implemented this stormwater fee that's when we started billing you i sent out a letter initially kind of explaining the basis of it um by ordinance you know again as president omita said the storm water fee could have been charged since it was modified in 2010.

so the ordinance states that we have the right to charge any person or anything that benefits from our utilities management of waterways so it says of stormwater facilities as it's explained a storm water and facility includes combined sewer catch basins storm drain drainage pipes culverts streams swales wetlands detention ponds and ponds that have control structures such as dams or gate houses so what we do

in relation to your particular property actually if you want i think i can probably admit can you bring it up laura washington as well ocean yeah she's just joining now so you may want to announce that um so in relation to your particular property um which is this one uh 879 dickinson street correct yes yeah so looking at the topography this is a overview of the topography of the whole entire area

around your house the topography generally flows down towards dickinson street uh eventually up down dixon street and then into the south with tupper pond there is there is some drainage up up in this area um so eventually all of the water that's included that comes down onto all the properties within the city makes makes its way somewhere uh whether it's infiltrated through the ground whether it uh flows

over land or anything like that um all the water goes from the southwest upper pond as you can see in the bottom right corner of this map uh the southward tupper pond it goes through the quickest shan river underneath all the highways through all those culverts eventually makes its way directly across the street from city city hall here to the 4th street gate house that 4th street day house

is how we control the water level of the southwest upper pond that continuous maintenance by our staff there was over 650 000 improvements made on that gatehouse back in 2017. because the gates needed to be updated at that point uh eventually from that point the fourth street gate house makes its way through a pipe uh down to the number seven ironworks complex which is where work out world is

down there we just had to rebuild the sluice gates that are there uh as well as when they did the route 79 project they put it they did over four million dollars in investment of improving all the waterways through there cleaning out some of the uh some of the built up culverts with sediment to be able to allow the water to be able to flow and move um so again it's it's in overall

the audience the ordinance is any property states any property that has an impervious area or has been altered from its original state we have the ability to be able to charge a stormwater fee to so overall that's why the stormwater fee was implemented on your property and and that explanation uh basically applies to just about all these no it doesn't i don't agree with that in 2008 my name is

pierre messier yeah in 2008 when we started that i went here to the city hall and showed them the pictures of where you thought the world was going it's not going that way if you want to put a picture back up i'll show you exactly where it is okay so which where you can put where what's the uh address 900 dickerson 900 right he's he's right next door i believe too

okay and what happens is it comes right down the street goes right there's my bond it goes right through here and it goes right through here right through my my yard okay to the fact that when i came down here in 2008 i said what do you want me to do you flood because you put a road in there it used to be a dirt road when it was a dirt

road the water went through a drainage and it went right to the pond now your engineers said i said you're going to keep that drainage ditch matter of fact an old man named buchanan dug that drainage i've been there since i was four years old and they said don't worry we're engineers we know what we're doing okay but they didn't they todd the whole thing over now the water goes right across

right towards the pond and it goes right towards the pond the only problem is it happens to have my house which i don't have uh i don't have water on my house but it goes right through there so i had to take care of that my other my 900 dickerson street is another house i own and water went right through that too and the bond matter factor water went right through there and i can show you

with a picture this is what it looks like there's the road right here there is no bump or anything to stop the water going through that so what they did is made a beautiful access for the water to run right down the street right through the yard i ended up having to put because when i came up here i said what do you want me to do are you guys going to fix it the answer was

yes we're going to put uh culverts in the road don't worry we're going to take care of it that didn't happen except up to dale street there is a culvert at dale street it doesn't do a dawn thing for dickenson i understand you do have gates for the pond okay right and so i had to put right this is right across my garage door because i was flooding out my garage door

this is on both sides i had to put french drains on both sides of the house because what ended up happening was i was getting water i don't have a basement i have a crawl space and so on both sides find my finger but i have to put french drains and that goes all the way down to my land down by the water okay now i have no problem with if somebody came

down and said hey look we're going to help you out but after paying for all this even the uh the deck i have over here it rotted away we just had to replace the whole thing and put a cement slab in there so the water wouldn't continually undermine the house i have okay good you're doing a great job but guess what i paid for all of this i ended up having to invest all my money

and i'm working on my houses to keep i have the same thing on the other house to stop the water from undermining my my uh houses right the property now okay we're paying a storm water fee the storm water fee just happens to be if you add look at what i feel is now i'm retired i take care of my son erin i'm the disabled vet we're paying 20 and 94 cents for water

14 cents for a base fee then 30 then 47 for a storm water fee that's a 134 percent increase i mean guys i don't know i appreciate where you're coming from but i'm going to tell you something where i'm coming from stuff is going up already but that's kind of expensive when i had to put the bill to fix the problem that you guys created and not you personally but the city created this problem it

worked fine before you put your knickers into it pardon my french and now you're saying to me well you got a free ride for the last since 2008. no i didn't get a free ride as a matter of fact me and him but the guy on the side of me who's not here down the street he has the same dawn problem and he's he just said hey um what am i going to do now

that's what i have a problem with because you are not coming over saying mr messier we're going to put a drain in front of your house and we're gonna run it like they had years ago are you i don't see that happening and if you did i'd say okay 47 bucks i'll pay you gentlemen okay ladies the fact from what you i'm hearing is and well you can correct me on this

you still have you have storm water that is making its way to the pond it's making a way through my land and it's and i have to constantly listen i agree right listen you're kind of you know presenting the fact that the water that gets on your land which you are trying to direct so it don't ruin your property is is heading towards the pond of course it is and we're and

that's and that's the premise in which we are billing you for the stormwater fee because it's listen to me it's going into the pond okay and there's terry i'm sorry as paul just recently said what we have to deal with down the road down from where the pond water goes go through all different gates and so forth that we have to maintain and have to rebuild and have to modify

which we're in the process of doing now that's where the money for the stormwater fee ends up going to so i can appreciate you know the problems you've had in the past and everything else and what you're having now but the fact remains you got water storm water going into the pond that we need to control and that's that's basically the premise behind the whole thing in the ordinance

anybody who has anybody who has any flow of water coming off their property whether it's underground water impervious surfaces and so forth if it's going for it right it's on your property sir but i'm saying when it comes out because my son my son-in-law was going to build next door and when he got the permit and when he went to get the permit to build they said any water that goes through here

you're responsible for it okay that's what they told them at the billing inspector so he was you know the way it goes over there right where the bond yard is he said how the hell am i gonna stop this how could i possibly stop this water there's there is no way unless i put a five foot brick wall or something and and where am i going to get it to where am i going to

diverge this water to to my next-door neighbor's house you know there is just no way so he said it's not worth it it's well this is what i'm telling you so you're saying to me okay i understand the pond okay the pawn is you're controlling the pawn level but what i'm what i'm saying is you're charging me for something that i'm i paid over ten thousand dollars to

to work on to try and save what i had and i didn't have to do this before because nobody thought about hey where's this water going did some when they put the road in and no one said gee do we think this there's a big hill here this water's going to come down and and even on the top of the hill on the top of the hill this springs i told the

guy this springs that's why the guy dug the ditch this is in the winter what happens the road freezes like ice because the springs you're not going to stop it okay but okay so now miss namaste i'm sorry anna and mr amino i understand your point but what i'm saying is we fear pay our fair share is wonderful i pay an enormous amount of taxes well you just sit there and in socked

and said okay well septic system yeah you know i have to pay my own septic i have to and i pump it every year just to make sure and i do it every year to make sure there's no hazard to that pond okay religiously but how much i mean is it to the point where we're going to kick everybody out because you don't have enough money i'm sorry you're not rich enough to live there anymore

that's what we're getting to that's what i'm saying you're retired hey it's time for you to leave you need to to get somebody who's uh makes more money and sell your house and get somebody who makes more money in here is that what we're looking for no look listen i admire the work you've done to your property you've you've done that to protect your property to protect the house you got there

to you know so you're not you're not up against the wall of flooding getting into your into your house or underneath your house or or channeling in a way where it's going to be detrimental to the way you live on your property i guess what we what this is all about is it's too bad we didn't make this argument back in 2010 because that's where we were now they've got lines all over that road

i see lines so are they planning on doing something with dickerson street do you guys know no i can tell you water and sewer doesn't have any projects because i see i mean i look down the road and there is lines all over the road where they've isolated they painted you know you can see where the suit where the uh the drains are and everything else is so i'm saying okay maybe they're going to

dig the road up maybe they're going to repave it are they going to do that if they are maybe we need to put a damn drain going all the way down you know maybe we need to talk to whoever's putting the damn lines in and saying it's about time we sit there and look they put the drains in right the water won't go through right it'll go straight to the end of the street into the box

right just like everybody else at the top of the street goes into the pipes and goes down the street right right and it ends up down our house that's that's really what the point was the drain stop it and like i said i've been there since i was four years old i joined the navy i left and and i said and it was still dirt road when i came

back and i said oh this works but uh you know how you had a you had a culvert that's what the guy did he put alongside the road and he went right into the pond and when they covered it up and i said this doesn't i mean come on come on i get where you're coming from okay okay i'm done i appreciate it i don't want to kill it um but the fact remains you've got

you have storm water that flows through your property and goes to the pond much like yourself to get uh i think mr tusham you live on the corner correct she gets it before me you live uh um she's just before yeah she's

right there yeah right and it's all heading down yeah right towards the point and that's where it goes are you across this are you across the street i'm across the street all right so you're going you're you're sitting outside you've got stuff flying out of your uh property out of your driveway comes down whatever it's going to go somewhere yeah no i know it but it all goes to the pond

and that's the point we're making and that's the reason why that's the reason for having denied your report should be directed that's what we're trying to say because you're paying the fee right you you pay the fee to also right okay let me just say you have connections a lot of people in your neighborhood pay the fee and have the same issues but they pay the fee okay okay you people were off the books okay but

that means somebody did not do their job for 11 years and you guys haven't done nothing since 11 years just to correct the problem and that's that's really the point you're trying to make it's not the fact that we were off the books it the fact is we're on our own and we were taking care of the problem ourselves that's really what the situation understood and it's not like okay hey give me 47 a month

i'll tell you what that's a lot cheaper than paying a contractor to come in and dig up that whole land and then stop putting storm water basically a french drain is nothing but a drain all the way around the house if you know know anything about it right so you've got to dig everything up cut the concrete dig everything around and you've got a backhoe and everything else in there so

that's not cheap and you're paying for that so guess what i would have said yeah 47 bucks a month i'd rather pay that than what i had to put up front and pay constantly and then when it happens again okay well let's see what else we can do to get this working and so we didn't do we didn't have a free right is what i'm saying okay that wasn't a free ride as a matter

of fact even and he can tell you i've got a backup i got a small backhoe and i do the road down there when there's ice and everything else because you ain't getting a guy down there to take care of that crap and i got to make a spot so that even when the ice water comes down because if you don't it's going to be nothing but slick and and you're going

to end up with accidents down there let's budget so what's the next thing you guys what charges what is it what is the answer to this like i said we just got it for me i got an increase of 134 how would you feel if you if you went if you went through for me if you were me how would you feel about this how would you sit there and say well what we're up

against the brick wall you're the city where the schmuck okay pay the damn thing i'm sorry life is good see you later that's really kind of not what the way this is supposed to work is the city is supposed to work for people correct i mean is it not the way it's about that's the plan okay so okay uh mr almeida what's the plan how are we going to fix it the plan is we

have a stormwater fee that's in effect okay right and so we pay for that so how are we going to fix the problem though that's something i think that has to go up to the engineering department and the planning people and and all those people we're not in that business we're in a business of trying to control our storage uh wastewater treatment and everything that feeds into it you know we we just finished

we've got a tunnel system in this city that that you you people don't even don't even tap into right right no i know we don't we don't have something right right you don't have septics no and we got we got people that are paying into that system because it's a right now a 222 million dollar system that we were told we had to do and we not only had to do that we had to pay

the the lawyers that suit us to the tune of over a half a million dollars to say for them to say see we told you so now you got to do it so that's that's what we deal with everything that goes into the system into the donate wastewater treatment plant gets controlled in many different places and some of which is that paul just identified brooks gates ponds all that stuff so that's

that's what this is what we live in and yeah we we were also mandated to have a stormwater fee put in to be put into effect by the environmental guys it's not something we you know we could turn around and say oh no we're not going to do that we had to do it because we have to comply to what they want and it all costs money now that's basically where we're coming from

you you say well what are we going to do we're going to uh are we going to start charging you from the air you're breathing yeah listen um the charging is for water that runs from natural rain comes down all these years that's been in the city never been charged we're like two cities in the whole united states that get charged rain water no there's multiple ones throughout the commonwealth that have a stormwater fee

um you know one of the other things that that we're also dealing with is uh new regulations that started five years ago it's um ms4 is referred to as a municipal small storm water sewer system all of these uh all of these outfalls so on dale there's there's drainage on dale street uh that intercepts any water not and not all the water but intercepts some of the water from continuing down

dickinson street to where your properties properties are so that system needs to be maintained underneath the ms4 permit and it's a general permit for the state of massachusetts then it's uh administered by dep and passed down to the local municipalities that has to do with stormwater in any areas uh that are not into a combined sewer system so you there's a step separate stormwater

drainage up above you uh your area where runs off the side of the street like that where there's no curbing or anything like that that's what's referred to as a as a country drainage style roadway so all of that needs to be permitted there are requirements within that ms4 permit that we need to do it includes everything from education in relation to leaf litter getting into runoff

because again that negatively impacts the pond um you know all the way from that to sampling that we need to do on all the outfalls yearly so i think we have 200 and something independent outfalls that we need to sample so not just your area but these are the these are the regulations that uh so it's not only we're not just you know the cso and all the wastewater treatment plant it's these other regulations and

like i said this was just implemented i believe it was four or five years ago was the start of the ms4 yeah actually they just extended it out for another year it's a four-year permit and they just extended the permit out for another year uh and you know there's we have a consultant that assists us with the yearly reporting that needs to be done so it's you know i understand that you're not on sewer

itself but even with just stormwater there's requirements and regulations that need to be followed from the federal government in relation to that so mr marchand do anything you want to say of course all those two and i did not get any of any of that 500 my understanding is that this would apply to property that abuts the pond and as this lettuce says properties that float upon streams and wetlands well

i'm 400 feet back from the pond i've got three houses in front of me yeah but you flow right down your street right down at the end of your street there's property that's right in front of the pond no but your your your contributing flow into that area that ultimately ends up getting into the pond so you've got the house at the top of stafford road and wood street just came the same thing yes okay

i'm sorry i'm just gonna go home you know there was just no winning no matter what that's right there is no answer no because you pay your taxes and and if you're right above the war i mean the water was just coming from the sky and it goes down the street and it doesn't go to the pond it just goes up through it before it ends up going down to the

pond yeah it all goes to the pond downhill it's going to the pond it's just directing it is one thing that's the problem if it was directed in you know i think that's what what gets my dander up the most is that it worked fine until somebody some wonderful engineer decided that this is how we're going to do it that's what really got my goat and especially when you tell somebody that

that you know i've lived here since i was a kid we used to drink water right off the side of the off the side of the road because the springs were filling all you have to do is move some leaves wait a few minutes it was running all year long in the heat of summer you could see the water coming down it was like a stream and i said guys did

you even the guy who built the house i said hey you're putting a foundation there guess what you're going to hit water well he started putting a foundation also and that cement started going i said hey you know what what the hell do i know only been happening for 60 years i don't know you know but you know i mean i i just i wish deposit b would do something to fix the

situation because at some point especially in the winter not so much in the winter at the end of the winter when you get slush and everything else i mean i go out there with my tractor i push it as far as i can to get it out of the way so there's a path for it to go because if you make a passport to go it'll follow the pack of least resistance so

that's the way it is but you know i'm not going to be around forever and guess what it's going to bite somebody in the ass and they're going to say hey why aren't you guys doing something about it i'm not going to be the only one you know somebody's going to figure out that the buck is eventually going to stop here someplace it's the hard part to swallow is just the guys up the

street or wherever and forward they're paying they have the pipes that leads and it's like you're owning a mercedes or i'm owning into mercedes you're owning a hyundai we're paying the same taxes is that is that right well listen to what you just said right they got a pipe you know they got me i'm assuming you're talking about rain water yeah yeah yeah right right yes it's right yes

it's a drain it goes into it it goes into some type of system if that's going into the city system right that's those people are being charged the same 47 bucks so we don't have to drain right no no but this is this is where this is where we've said in 2010 rainwater that's going into people's properties right that has direction to it would ultimately end up going to some type of holding

pond or something that nature all of which we need control of and we have to maintain that's all part of the deal as well do you want to maintain that's that's that's the business we're in okay all you people have a problem with the flow of the water where it's where it runs to where it's coming down to and what effect it's having on your lives while you're living on your property

we can i and believe me i've got problems on my property i'm not you know you know you're not alone no there's a lot of people in this city that that have come and come in front of city council and so forth and complained about runoff on their property brand new homes that have been put up and everything else that's that's that's bad issues and i agree people have a lot of leg to stand on but

for the reason which word you have a fee for stormwater basically has nothing to do with that it's it's to deal with what we have to deal with on our end of it and so gentlemen well it's important for an organization it's important it's different it's important to us as a city because we have regulations that we're going to abide by just like you pay taxes right you pay taxes for

you know why you want firemen you want police you want water you want schools and everything else and yet he could turn around and say why should i pay for that i'm retired you know this lady i don't think she's young enough where she probably isn't and um yeah yeah but you know you could you could take you can take whatever excuse you know you we don't mind paying off your share

we don't you know we don't have a problem with that at all it's the problem and the lack of of fixing the problem okay i mean if you put a drain and stuff up we we we'd be happy to i haven't used my backhoe and help you for god's sakes then i'll show you where the hell the damn thing should go too because i know it used to work fine

before quite okay i know i don't know i know all right still going through the plan okay okay mr tucson anything you want to say no okay um okay that's i guess that's uh well um but uh mr martian you're standing you want to say something else i want to just say good night yeah i don't want to say good night all right mr chairman always good to see you all right you're welcome

okay well done thank you for coming so i guess that's that's the end yeah yeah yeah so i shouldn't even take time from work to come over here well you guys had your minds made up already yeah no it's an education it's not an education because you're not paying for something you're not getting everybody in the city is paying for these

is there a way that paul you can set somebody down and look at that area to see whether the city you know whether a culvert is needed in that area yes or has been recently done uh definitely so i do apologize the only resident that's left is mr mashian um well i will uh i will contact those homeowners and go down and take a look at it myself um the other question was um i don't

think there is but is there a process for residents to apply for abatement and circumstance of financial hardship uh no so we don't have any abatement for a financial hardship reason uh the only abatements that we have uh would be if the sewer commission deemed it uh deemed a property not eligible per the per the ordinance um and then on the uh we have a leak abatement policy in

relation to water and sewer but nothing for stormwater that was it the other thing too well final thing on the presentation it does have the um a copy of the ordinance do the residents get a copy of that when we give them a decision to understand and we don't have the discretion to not impose the fee we're just following the ordinance yeah if you would like i can uh what i can do i can uh

include that with with my response to them thank you that's all for me okay um do you just want to announce that member washington has joined oh yeah um we're i guess we have the pleasure now of having uh miss laura washington with us laura's a um a new addition to the sewer commission laura welcome thank you so much and she is attending via um zoom and we have to make that distinction so but um welcome

um i can't see your face that well but um hope you have um good luck and everything goes your way and um glad to have you thank you if you have any questions um with respect to what we just discussed also just feel free to you know bring it up and we'll do it um no i actually i think uh mrs howie back had it you know my only question i have could someone go and

check out that property for them and i think the best thing at this point i think um you know you're very clear that that's um what can happen so thank you i'm sorry i can't be very impressed i'm literally getting over covet so okay all right very good do we want to take a vote on the yeah i think we have to we have to deal with the appeals and

uh do we have to do these individually or can we um i think you can make the motion on all four yeah that's what the board feels yeah okay um instead of being redundant all right we all we've all heard a discussion i think we all as far as i think us as a group myself uh in particular um uh the realization is that the water that runs from their property goes down to the pond

and that's that's what we're interested in in terms of um being able to charge the stormwater fee to so on that basis there uh i'll entertain the motion to um i guess you could say deny the appeals for the uh stormwater field from mr ricardo cordeiro of 879 dickerson street mr pierre messier of 900 dickerson street miss joyce duchamp of 838 dickinson street and mr robert martian of 1131 wood street

would anybody want to make that motion make a motion we deny all all four streets anybody second that second all uh roll call uh president almeida yes remember yes remember yes remember washington yes okay thank you all right takes his item number four the rotary club of forever i guess is requesting permission from the commission to plant two trees on a vacant lot that's on hyacinth street which

this particular lot uh was taken i believe as ownership by the commission currently right the land itself um so i got no problem with it you know we can it's always good to add some beauty to the neighborhood and show that we're taking an interest in it and so forth so has anybody got any problems with this yeah i have a question yes in planning planning the tree is it going to

interfere with any access that we would need just in case an emergency no so i uh you know the rotary club contacted us about being able to plant those trees this is what we call the hyacinth street south block so this is the one that's closest to durfee my major concern is that we have some stormwater infrastructure on the lot uh being the two um the two uh infiltration areas up the top

as well as some underground piping and stuff like that they don't have a specific location uh so i will work with them to make sure that uh the planting of the trees doesn't interfere with any of our above ground or below ground infrastructure okay um i went by the i went by the area this afternoon um you know i think we're doing it keeping a good job of um keeping it clean keeping the grass cut

making it look presentable my question is who's doing that is it is it sewer commission personnel it's doing the upkeep so on hyacinth street south um the neighbors actually have taken it upon themselves to do a portion of it uh in the green crew that we set up above three years ago uh which is one employee from sewer one employee from uh excuse me two employees from water one which we

hope to be reimbursed from dcm as we're doing some uh some of their work too but that green crew that was developed uh they're the ones that maintain that property the hydrogen street north we always cut the grass and maintain that property the south sometimes the neighbors have uh the landscape is doing both well it's good overseas it's good it looks good thank you all right so um that's one thing i think

uh the commission knows my feeling that um you know we can't we can't invest all this money into this infrastructure and these projects and then let them go to the waste side we need to be able to have the support from our with our staff to be able to maintain these projects if not it's not worth doing the projects yeah um anybody make a motion to approve um the rotary club

planting two trees on the vacant lot that's between 147 and 107 hyacinth rate make the motion make a motion pretty second second roll call uh milbasa yes remember how we act yes remember washington yes yes okay item number five the request to haul septage to the wastewater treatment facility at the bay street plant we have two and two companies that are requesting uh travis plumbing and heating and united rentals um

paul as far as you know uh both of these companies legitimate in the sense of of having all the proper credentials to do this yeah without a doubt united rentals i believe is uh is more their portage they're you know their smaller truck for their portage on cleaning and rentals the travis plumbing is a uh a plumbing and heating company that's located i believe it's you think they have a good understanding

as to what um they're financial commitments up yup um i've spoken with uh i've spoken with the uh the owner of travis plumbing and eating um he does not have uh he sounds like he will not have an issue uh with paying bills timely uh united rentals with the company the size of the company that they are imagine that they would be able to maintain their financial commitment to uh pay the bills

do you think they um are they they're gonna have trucks that are the size of the normal normal knights oil wallets which which would any of these your understanding of the size of the trucks i always say uh yeah so my understanding is travis plumbing and heating has a couple of nine thousand gallon you know so the standard honey okay the standard size and then they also from my understanding they also

have two trailers as well okay so they got some quite a bit of equipment there yeah uh united rentals as i said from my understanding it would be a smaller truck that primarily cleaned up porter john's cheap reference i have a question yep geographically where are they going to pick up their sewage because united rentals is all over massachusetts yeah so i'm not sure where uh where united rentals will

geographically be beholding but we don't have a limitation on where ceptage comes from okay yeah uh we'll we take it uh you know there is a uh there is a discount for any in town septic holes so anybody from in city so any septage hall that holds from somebody within the city of fall river uh they dump at our plant at a reduced rate uh if it's outside of the city of fall river uh

that it's a higher rate you think these two companies understand that yep so uh the our staff sent over the rules and regulations um as well as i believe i think travis has already been in contact with the board of health for uh inspections of the equipment and united rentals would have to go through the same process okay okay um anybody got a problem with this make a motion to accept

got a motion on the floor to accept um the request to uh for travis plumbing and hitting and united rentals to uh to haul uh septage to the treatment plant anybody want a second that second roll call from susan hey hi how are you yes washington yes i'll need a person yes so just to note on that i want to say that uh accepted hauling revenues have been up uh uh pretty high

uh we used to have a forty thousand gallons per day cap on septage holland that we received at the plant um that was just an administrative cap that we that we kept in place uh i've approved the plan to increase that cap up to i believe i went up to 60 000 gallons per day but it's a very good revenue stream for the city how much is um speaking of that acceptage yeah 450 thousand dollars is

just put in for our budget this year for our budget yeah as far as taking income at 450 000.

yeah up that from last year and there are a couple of other uh types of haulers that i'm talking to uh which may have uh a fair amount of quantity additional to bring in all right so let me say keep the place clean that's uh keep the place clean and no voters correct all right item number six the stafford square improvement project amendment number two um it's being uh awarded to we want you know we've got

uh requests we're awarded to wright pierce yep now i guess one of my one of the first questions i got is is this particular item on the on the 123 million dollar bond issue that we're not done with effect on 2016 yes so there was a portion of that bond issuance a very small portion i believe it's two to three hundred thousand dollars that was allocated to initial study of stafford square flooding within

stafford square the whole entire project uh funding is not within the 123 million dollar authorization i didn't think it was so we're looking at big money here i mean if we were going to go ahead and get the funds and what happened we're talking big money for 45 million dollars project uh that's what the initial study came up with for uh repair of the whole entire stafford square uh drainage basin flooding issues

you know again it's tough it's because the stafford square drainage area you know people think of staffordshire being that one spot uh you know we're talking as far back as the intersection of locusts and oak grove avenue locus and easton avenue um goes all the way down to stafford square so lafayette park that whole entire area all that drainage goes down to stafford square so it's a huge drainage area a lot of

impervious area some old quarries that collect water and have drainage culverts that come out of the bottom of the quarries so it's a very very interesting drainage area but the more interesting they get the more falsely they get to solve okay um so one thing that we are doing included within this is we are looking for grant funding through the has administration program with fema

we're looking to apply for a grant to possibly do phase one and phase two um of this of this work within the stafford square area there are some requirements uh to be able to submit the application uh within this work that we're asking ray pearce to assist us with is going to uh include that network so we'll be able to submit the application um i write through some of their proposal on this

is this a 75 000 increase to an existing fee yes that's in other words this 75 000 will increase it to approximately a half a million dollars right this is what this is about correct correct so it's my it's not my understanding then that this is something that they're starting from fresh and they need seventy five thousand dollars because to get started or something this is something that's

already in the works yeah yeah so so we have the initial study that they've completed we have that that's that's been done they've gone through the whole entire drainage area estimated all the costs done a lot of hydraulic modeling and stuff like that within that drainage area uh this this is continuing a continuation a lot of it's going to going to be again stuff that's required

for the grant submission um for our uh fema uh well it's mima uh to fema but the hazard mitigation uh grant application it's the original 425 that's that's in the process of being spent or will be spent again that's not part of the 123 million yes it is possible yeah so all this so all this funding is coming from the hundred and twenty three million all right so that was part of it okay yeah

but this kind of this kind of caps off the spending that without any grants without the spending that was allocated within the hundred and twenty three million dollars this change on it kind of caps that off okay because if you know if if we were to move forward on this project quickly i'm sure we need a referendum from from the voters on it just on the premise it's going to be a huge money

without a doubt without a doubt okay so um you're looking for an approval of two of amendment number two to write peers for an additional 75 thousand dollars to complete their survey anybody want to make that motion i made a motion we accept the uh we've provided them with 75 000 to continue this project before before anybody seconds uh does any uh renee or laurie uh do you have any

questions or would you expect to this i i didn't have a question actually i just i knew you were asking for grant funding for phases one and two how many phases is that stafford square project so the way that it was developed in the uh in the design report that we got it was broken into three phases the three phases was a lot of uh so phase one and two will really

hammer down the majority of the flooding within the stafford square area phase three gets into the higher end of the drainage system of the uh of the drainage basin uh as well as it implements a lot more green infrastructure um again you know things that would be nice but on uh needed to fix the actual flooding problem in stafford square thank you okay we have a does anybody want to second that motion

i'll second that motion okay roll call room yes howard yes washington yes president yes thank you item number seven the ferry street pumping station project amendment number eight i got i gotta say i was taken by surprise as just to where this pumping station was because i tried finding it at least twice and i i had to finally call paul to find out just exactly where it was and it was

just where he said it was and i was totally surprised by just the makeup of it um it's a uh it's what about more interesting locations yes yes um for the benefit of of you you if you have if you don't know where it is it's right at the when you go down ferry street and you get right to the end where you're going to go into the property of where the um yacht club is

or the what they call it boredom light boarding light marina just before you enter that premise to the right is a driveway that enters into where there is another restaurant and just as you just as you enter into that right this thing that stands above the ground is this is the ferry street pumping station and i was like wow yeah just for reference this is ferry street as you head uh west uh this is the

entrance to borden lake marina the arena is right over here this is south almond street that that remembers and comes down from williams down to ferry street so south almond straight across right in this very small location here is our pumping station made up of an underground can as well as an above-ground rounded structure as well as a uh square building that that houses our generator no is

the land in which that sits does that include any of the roadway to enter in uh so no so we have access from the street uh currently the property owner allows us to enter uh through the gates uh if that access ever did become uh an issue we would remove that fence and we would be entering it right from there from the sidewalk yeah um so we don't have an easement no we have

the old deed for this pumpkin station uh is something that we're working to straighten out the deed location in the pumping station location as well as there is a temporary construction easement for use around the lot that we have but it is a very small tight lock uh and a very small tight construction easement area so this uh this project is going to be a little bit of a challenge given on constraints

so you don't so the modifications we're going to make to it you're not anticipating having to expand the footage of the property in which it sits no so the the modifications that we're making so this pump station we're looking at a rehabilitation of this pump station so not to fully reconstruct it uh we're looking to do a new generated housing building uh replace all the electrical inside of the

above ground uh electrical structure and put in new pumps into the underground structure so we won't be reconstructing the whole entire thing as we've done with some of our other pump stations uh this will be uh more of a uh more of a rehab of the existing station all right so this this amendment for wright pierce is what for design yeah so this will bring us through we already we have preliminary

uh done and going this will bring us up and through uh final design uh to 100 documents what's the uh what's the total cost of this thing so currently the cost of this project initially we had it slated uh as one million dollars uh we uh cost are currently running uh higher than that we're we're about three million dollars right now really um due to some of the supply chain issues over

over time that we've been having and stuff like that um just looking at uh different things we are looking we're going to be looking through the full design process to take and bring that cost back down okay um right now the competition is working adequately to do the job yep so it is working adequately our staff is excellent as keeping these things band-aided together you know we don't have the option of not

having a functioning pump station there so staff knows that and they do a good job but again there are um you know issues with the mechanicals of the generated is the electrical is dated it's well past its useful life uh and will be uh you know that's all the things that will be considered throughout the project and again it's this is a project that's on the 123 million dollar bond issue yes so the whole entire thing

was uh on the bond the the initial cost was on the bond issuance uh we are also looking at a couple of different grant options for this station as well because one of the things that we do have to do is flood proof the building uh since it is within the flood plain so i would imagine yeah whether there be uh mima money available for that uh mass works infrastructure grant

you know there is development in this area uh there's been announcements from uh as much as mayflower wind of doing work in the fort and remington developing that site so okay how high do we have to go to keep everything out of the floodplain so since we're rehabilitating the building um and we're going to flood proof it uh we don't have to elevate anything uh okay standing now at about what six feet

the top of it yeah i mean i mean the the part that's holding that around what do they call that wrong thing yeah yeah the wrong drum whatever electrical housing that's what i've been calling it but if we were if we were to fully rebuild this pump station to a new uh station we'd probably have to be 12 feet in the air with all of our mechanicals yeah i believe it

what would it cost to relocate it so it's not in the flood plain and all this extra well you've given given as a figure two million dollars to increase this with a two million dollars be able to be used in another location in the general area and do the same thing um you know again we didn't really look at that option just because uh we don't we don't have any

land uh to relocate it at um you know if we did that you'd be talking about having to redo all the gravity sewers that that oh i see yeah so you so yeah it's not it wouldn't just be let's build a new building here and put it there then you gotta redo all the sewers underneath the street and everything that that that flow to it so you know i would say that would probably be a

substantial cost um you look at what uh what the pump station at um uh which you'll see later on wilson road pump station uh bids came in at 5.2 million that's rebuilding the station at its current location but then there is redoing of a sewer line so if based off of past bids that we've done past projects that we've done in the wilson road i would say that would be in the

five to six million dollars plus whatever it costs to acquire apostle to put it on i have a question um pond street now where does that water come from angola pond street yeah right alongside the old firestone property come up yep so pond street are you talking about the connector that goes up to um no the one that comes right in front of the gates right right by right by the

gates goes goes from water street up to the gate to the gates uh up to broadway essentially broadway extension so that's all part of the quickest shan river um so that's at number seven ironworks uh which is where work out world is right below underneath yeah the quickest shannon river comes down there and it can split two separate ways um so it can head uh through the through uh through

the mill complex and then it goes down by where earnshaw's diner used to be i'm sure you remember that it used to be an open culvert behind there when it was earned shows and then runs down by the gates of the city and out to the firestone pond and then there's a pipe that goes from the firestone pond out to next to where the state pier is the other way that it can go we can open

the sluice gates at number seven ironworks it can go over the waterfall underneath the uh building behind and then it comes out over next to battleship cove okay okay so thank you sorry a little bit of a detour um okay just for my edification this 244 000 um is additional money for design right correct so this is an amendment to a pre-existing contract that we have the other amendments were for the other pump

stations that we've done okay all right i think you answered my question okay thank you they hadn't done this isn't because they've done some design work already on that pump station and they needed an additional 245 000.

no they're just starting now to do the design work with 244. right one of the amendments that we did was very small amount for them to stop the preliminary on ferry street just kind of get some ideas so we knew which direction to head um but that was a very small contract that we had i think it was yeah i think you had to post it on here yeah locations for the design i got that

answered my question anybody else have any questions about this if not i'll obtain a motion to approve amendment number eight in the amount of 244 thousand dollars to be awarded to wright pierce to um start the design work on the ferry street pump station project make a motion we accept motion made anybody roll call remember yes remember how yak yes washington yes president obita yes thank you item number eight

birch street sewer separation preliminary design agreement uh this is to if i were to go to cdm smith um just for my edification just can you just give me a brief outline as to what we're trying to do here yep because it keeps coming up and i keep losing track of yeah so birch street uh is something that was uh um it is going to be within the 123 million dollar authorization uh based

off of the uh changes that we had when we negotiated the consent order with uh conservation law foundation as well as our uh aco with epa so the birch street project was included within within both of those projects so the birch street area and i apologize uh for the members that can see where i'm pointing but i think you can see the area layout on the screen so this is kind of the whole entire

birch street drainage area so there's a couple of things with burke street drainage if you want to include the whole entire birch street drainage area that used to go to this cso outfall so this cso outfall is right at the bottom of burke street um you have the cobblestone road that goes down uh dead ends at the railroad tracks but then there's an outfall on the other side of the railroad tracks

but there's a large cso pipe that diverts at bay street and goes down this drainage area actually goes further back up almost to the cook pond when we did the tunnel that comes right through this area there was a drop shaft put on birch street that drop shaft took and reduced the amount of overflows from our birch street drainage area but it didn't take the whole entire thing through the

initial cso studies they understood that we were going to have to have the drop shaft into the tunnel and we were going to have to have either a a storage unit down the bottom of the birch street drainage area or we would have to do sewer separation within that whole area through talks with epa and clf um they like the idea of separation um rather than storage or treatment or other options uh that's how this area

came up uh when we were discussing it with them so what it would be all this area that's reddit essentially we have to come up with a design plan of how to be able to convey the water down to you know get it out of our combined sewer system and convey it down to this outfall or other walls that we installed to get it down to the birch birch street area

you know this is a pretty complex design that needs to be done what's in front of you includes a lot of the survey hydraulic analysis and things like that there will be a subsequent full design once we get an idea of what's going to have to be done in this area but the problem is we're dealing we have the interceptor that comes down through here the main interceptor that conveys all the wastewater down to our

waste water treatment plant so all that needs to be modeled to see you know how much can still go in there how much needs to be pulled out uh you know we need to look at drainage areas below here and above here to see how those impact this drainage area uh on the main interceptor once that's done then we then we can really work to figure out how much water we need to

take out of the sewer system so that we meet that three-month storm which is within our federal court order so according to the federal court order our csos are not supposed to discharge at the three-month storm or less than four times per year so you really need to figure out within this drainage area that goes right down to this one cso how much storm water we need to pull out of that sewer area to

be able to do it you know again we don't we could go in here and just say well we're going to pull it all out but that adds cost onto the project you know we want to be able to work economically within our financial constraints to be able to to develop it so again will this will this one contract uh you know take the whole entire um whole entire thing most likely not um because

it's uh primarily the beginning design stages brings us up to who i think about a 30 design and then we'll be able to move forward from there but this is the overall uh drainage area and how it comes comes out so so right now all the flow that's coming from that area yeah it's going into the intercept it tries to work its way into the interceptor it comes that's coming down bay street

heading towards the plant yep and and with and and we're saying that's too much and it's causing an overflow going out into the river yup oh okay i got you so when it rains in this whole entire red area when it rains the water makes its way all the way down birch street uh right at birch and bay is actually where our chamber is where our interceptor chamber is so there's a pipe essentially that drops off

that goes over to uh interceptor so that pipe's smaller than the pipe that conveys everything down to this area so that's what regulates how much water can flow into the interceptor so once we fill up that pipe that goes to the interceptor you still have all the rest of the water that's coming down the sewer system at that point that's when it would jump the weir and go out the cso pipe gotcha okay

understood thank you um all right so this is a million dollars that that's uh we're looking at is uh is this preliminary work or is this uh this is what it says here preliminary design yep so there's going to be more to it yes there will be yeah again you know it's tough because it's pretty it's a pretty large um area you know we're talking 25 acres uh you think about that we need to get full

survey of that uh we need to do flow analysis upstream downstream and then also included everything within the drainage basin um you know and that's the problem with some of these uh these separation projects we've talked about them in the past a lot this will be one of the first uh major uh separation projects that we're going into um but uh there is a lot of work that's involved with with working with going through

yeah i can understand it um anybody have any questions about this this is going to be a big project um will anybody in somebody entertain a motion to award to cdm the amount of a million 16 276 dollars for preliminary design work on the birch street service separation project i'll make a motion phone call for remember yes

yes item number nine the wilson road sewer pump station replacement and wilson road booster pump station contract award uh we're now at the point where we after a certain amount of design and everything else we don't want to award the contract to do construction correct yes yep we've been through the design process procurement very good um and i guess the process was we all went out to bed there were three

companies that did bid and the fiscal contract incorporation came out came in a little better the only the only thing um i got a question about was uh all the bidders talked about one two and three alternatives yeah and i i think i asked this question last time but i can't remember what it was so i'll ask it again what do what what's the what's the is that supposed to be a potential additions

to the project in the event of something else so those are things that we put into the project um that we can include within the award um so uh you know it's something that potentially um may not be required but we want to get a price for it to see whether it fits within the budget of the project um so it's we can add those on so it's kind of like ends up being amendments well since

our recommendation is to award with the three alternates included um it'll be it'll be right in the right in the award amount okay so again those are things that we could say at this point no we don't want to do those or yeah the cost is reasonable we have the available budget we want to move forward and do those okay so it's your understanding that the 5 million two forty one includes the

alternatives the two the three alternates three all times yeah okay all right um i know this is pretty i get i think pretty straightforward we're at the point where you know this is something we've been waiting to get started up on wilson road um it's amazing how what's there has been doing the job when you look at it it's i mean things are sitting up on stilts and so forth and um yeah yeah it's

amazing how long it's lasted but yeah that is one of our pump stations if you want to just give an overview so people know where the pump station is what it is so this right here is our pump station location so this is actually wilson road highland avenue is down over here you come from highland avenue heading east and you cross over route 24 and the pump station is on the north

side of the road just after 24. behind behind gates old gates and yeah exactly exactly we have a fenced in uh currently there's a propane generator on the site a propane tank um so uh we'll be uh we'll be replacing that station uh with a newer style station uh almost like the same design and look that we've done at uh president and south end probably with the red bricks like we

have at south end just because uh president alva was made to match the building in front of it we uh we currently have enough land there yet to expand that yep so our parcel uh is is a pretty good sized parcel the other thing that this project does include is replacing this sewer line that comes out the back uh and runs up through this cross-country area up to sykes road um and we've had some issues

with the uh with the line over the sykes road area uh we've identified some ini through this line and stuff like that so through this project we felt that it would be best uh you know it's it's a cost savings measure the more i and i would pull out of the system the less the pumps have to run and less abuse on the equipment so this pump station too is is two

things just so the commission knows it's uh it's a standard sewer pump station but it also includes a water booster station um so the building's going to be kind of split into two sections uh you're going to have the one half of the building uh which will be related to uh the sewer so it'll house all of our vfds our electrical stuff and the generator will be on the sewer

side of the building uh in the middle we'll have the bathroom that's required by the mass plumbing code on the other side there'll be another room that will house a water booster pump station so that's just like what we have over at commerce drive so the whole entire area up in the industrial park and meridian street is what we call the water department a high service area so that is a

that's where we pump the water up to a higher elevation to give better pressure to those customers so we have one station right now on commerce drive in front of the commerce drive fire station this is another location where we have an isolation valve uh and we've always had it in the plans to do a water booster station here so we're gonna include that in the construction so this

contractor portion is gonna be paid by water and a porsche will will be paid by sewer now is it is a 5 million strictly the soil pot or is that combined for two nope so the sewer portion will be 3.406 million so it's actually 3406 848.

so what are we going to approve so if you want to approve the whole entire contract uh that way it's just fully awarded okay all right so that's that's not an issue as far as the contract no okay um so just another thing to mention about this we've uh we've received a mass works grant in the amount of 2.5 million dollars for this project wow in the uh governor's uh forward bill

that has been proposed there's an additional 2.4 million dollars which would bring it up to a total of 4.9 million dollars in grant funding uh and then also through the srf program uh they also had another 700 000 slated so this pump station may not cost us much very good we still have to allocate we still have to allocate we still have to approve the contract for that work you know the grants uh that we do

receive i'm going to give give uh you know a thank you to my staff uh olga k tom worked very hard on putting information together for those grants as well as our uh grant the city's grant writer uh jane diazio uh who was excellent at her job uh she uh she really gets these grants in and makes sure that we have everything for them yeah question is this uh pump

you said we have like a little pump station that's part of it is that going to feed the standpipe or is it going to feed back into the city uh sure so the water booster pump station um feeds into the system which eventually that what regulates the height in the airport road tank now does that have its own pumps no so the so the water system works a little bit differently it's all uh

gravity so we pump the water into the same pipe in the ground uh and then it goes and it eventually makes its way to bring the tank up or down depending on what the uh what the demand is in the system so there is pumps out of the standpipe there are other ones on commerce drive right now okay yep okay okay anybody have any other questions if it's not i'll attain a motion to award the contract

for the wilson road sewer pump station replacement uh to bisco contracting in the amount of five million two hundred and forty one thousand three hundred and five dollars big emotion second roll call member souza yes remember how are you yes i'm in washington yes president yes thank you item number 10 the mother's brook sewer project design contract award this is something we've been talking

about needing to do for a long time now this is this something that involves replacing about 22 22 000 feet of pipe yes yep shutting down the near innovation way and working its way towards various parts of yeah yeah this is a pretty substantial project this was something that was identified in the integrated plan uh as something that that should be done by the city uh up on the map here you can

see and this uh mother's brook sewer and innovation way uh takes a a fair portion of the north end of the city uh so all of the industrial parking this is the north end so right over here is a free town border um this is route 79 that comes up route 24 where they connect here and continue up into freetown at the top of the map this blue sewer that you see

is a sewer that's all going to be looked at primarily so this is the rigging back road area this is airport road airport roads in good condition uh innovation way is newer so we won't really be addressing much of that but right here is where it goes what we call cross country uh it goes off of a roadway and it's run you know follows some other contour it actually follows you can see

another light blue line underneath there that's mother's brook so osua goes through the center of the uh of the bfi landfill and then comes down out of in between pretty much amazon complex is where the white box is at the top comes down crosses route 24 pretty much right at the freetown line on north main street it picks up ips from freetown as well as stop and shop in freetown

then it continues down following pretty much the fall of a free town line all the way down to the railroad bed so with the railroad bed it then heads south coming all the way down uh eventually getting to the cove street pump station the area that we're going to be looking at is pretty much is rigging back innovation uh following mother's brook and then all the way down the railroad

bed now did i hear you say that parts of it goes under the landfill it goes through the landfill total landfill right so not underneath any of the capped landfills oh okay mother's mother's brook which is an old ancient brook from the city uh starts that innovation way uh it goes through the center of the landfill uh and our ossua made parallels there actually about five years ago

six years ago we had a collapse of the sewer line uh in the landfill in an area that paralleled mothersbrook at that time we contacted the landfill they came in and actually through that section they paid for replacing that section of pipe now um okay so so that's a close to about twenty three thousand square feet lydia millennials yes is it going to be a bigger size pipe yeah so the the overall we want to

upsize the pipe to make sure that we can carry any future capacity needs of the industrial park in that area and also any build-out that may occur within freetown uh freetown has some areas that may potentially be developed you know they have some plans that identify areas that to be developed that may need uh sure so uh all that in mind the overall uh scope of the project is

to upsize to be able to uh allow full development of all these different uh industrial parks and stuff like that um while you bring that up i'll directly relate this so majority of the funding for this project is coming from a grant from the eda the economic development agency so we're getting 1.056 million so just over a million dollars from the economic development agency uh federal government agency to be able to

do this project the design of this project our original grant application that we submitted uh included uh the construction of the project uh they didn't feel that uh the construction and the design could happen in the time frame required by that by their guidelines uh so they took and they phased the project off uh the design that we're doing here is phase one of the project then we'll be able to go

back and reapply for the phase two so but that's strictly money for design strictly money for design okay just over a million dollars a total project uh including uh all the other fees um so the grant was uh a hundred and thirty uh 1.32 million uh is a total estimated cost so we're paying just over 280 000 or so out of our pocket but we're getting again 1.2 million worth of work has anybody

you know worked up a ballpark number as to when this whole thing said and done what are we looking at so our original million yeah our original estimates that we were looking at for construction cost was uh 11 to 14 million um that was our original number uh with the volatility of the market right now i would expect that that has gone up but through the design process we'll identify that yeah okay

anybody have any questions if not i'll obtain a motion to award uh to woodward woodard and karen a million 279 thousand six hundred dollars forward uh design work for the mothers brook sword project make emotionally accepted second phone call member souza yes sorry yes remember washington yes president obama yes okay that get down to the end of the list here item number 11 updates on ongoing projects

we have in front of us i guess a couple of change orders with respect to two projects i guess that have that already completed i guess we're trying to clean the books up on these yep um we got a um change order in the amount of um a rebate of sixty thousand four hundred and eighty one dollars and eighty cents um from wright from wright pierce ray pierce was the design consultant the actual close-out

of that project came from uh heart construction okay so hot hot has given us the money back not right correct okay and again these are for these are these are updated projects for informational for the board okay no vote required on these okay um so just all right all right and then we have um an additional twenty two thousand dollars that is um is that time and material 23 000 for water then current

to do the um hazardous mitigation plan no sure so that wasn't the time of material that was a flat rate that right um so this is the opportunity so you've already you've already uh awarded them that yes okay okay um in that in the hazard mitigation plan just on that that requires updating every five years for the plan to stay current um because we had that plan in place we were able to get over five million

dollars for the middle street project uh and we also need that in place to be able to apply for anything for stafford square if we if we apply for that they did a lot of work on a scatter too didn't i uh woodward current does this scale program for us on wastewater yes okay um okay so that's for informational purposes unless anybody has any comments about it i'll move on to item number 12.

other potential matters does anybody have any other potential matters if not i'll maintain a motion to adjourn i think emotionally it's your second remember washington yes president albedo yes thank you everybody we managed to get through this thing