6 1 2022 Park Board

thank you that's right regular meeting of the park board of commissioners agenda in order of business wednesday june 1st 2022 hearing room beginning at 5 42 p.m at government center pursuit into the open meeting law any person may make an audio or record a video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions

are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledgeable and permissible okay roll call of commissioners jeffrey solia amber burns big defarious helen regal joseph acceptance of minutes from the may 4 2022 minute meeting may 4th second commissioner varys made that motion seconded by commissioner burns all in favor say aye all right thank you have every uh our vice chair

and everybody rise please for the sermon i pledge allegiance to the flag of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all before we go on i would also like to have two moments of silence uh one for all the veterans in memorial of this past weekend for memorial day

and the second if we can do one for the victims of uh the tragic shooting down in texas

thank you citizen input

okay all righty citizen input uh we have a couple people uh signed up i have a nelson vast password vasquez i'm sorry uh believe it uh 210 sunset hill yeah okay and field at bottom of canada park okay you come up and uh set our address just uh state your name and address for the record please uh yeah you have three minutes can you hear me all right my name is nelson vazquez 210 sunset

hill uh before i start with my segment i'm going to read the mission statement from the park board just in case constituents don't know per se what they do um this is my first time here so i figure uh i could use this moment to let them know the park board is in charge of the maintenance control and regulation of the use of recreational facilities parks playgrounds cemeteries and trees that is on the website now

i live in the south end right and i was driving home the other day and the baseball field at the bottom of canyon park looks atrocious it's an outright embarrassment of how that that that baseball field looks uh i took pictures here as you can see you know the dirt is overgrown nothing is being attended to uh the fencing in the background is all bended um and uh i'm gonna give you guys this copy

so you guys all can take copies for yourself i just came out of work so i was only to get just one copy at least and if you see here it's just you have the grass going over the dirt on a baseball field which is not what it's supposed to look like and some more visualization visuals here this is the uh the visual from the looking at the home plate you know even the benching the bench

areas for the for opposing teams you have a seat that's cut in half grass overgrown i mean and the list goes on and then for this for the for the people to come to see this it's all broken down this this is just very unacceptable to me and i hope that this uh can be rectified as soon as possible because granted if someone you know is running on this field and uh falls and twists their ankle

you're looking at a lawsuit another lawsuit in the city of fall river lord knows there's penny lawsuits as it is um i'm gonna go to look at other parks to see what they look like um uh but i am definitely gonna give you guys this just to let you guys know it's public record and um i will hope that this can be rectified in the coming days because you know as a city your parks

are it's it's the first impression of your city and if you don't take pride in your parks and it looks like this it sends a bad name about us so i hope that uh you guys can get the uh get the word out too is responsible to overseeing this because this needs to be changed maybe all right so um so i'm gonna end my segment here uh and uh because

yeah i'm gonna turn it over to her and then uh thank you for your time thank you all right next person signed up is a jeffrey giroud i believe this guy girl i'm sorry that's all right and just state your name and address for the record please yes it's uh g-a-u-d-r-e-a-u and i believe you're here for the carnival uh yes um 229 palmer street forever mass i'm here to of support of the carnival

hopefully we can have one here again it's been a long time since we had something fun attractive for for all adults and kids i believe carlos caesar a while back had carnival when the previous administrations uh had one and of course things changed over the past few years you know because of covert we couldn't have any unfortunately couldn't have anything um but i know that there are some

state rules in the park board in the past that have some issues of not having one and i'm looking to see if we can actually try and work together and try to take responsibilities when it comes to um attractions and making responsible cleaning up making sure because people can do awesome events like we just had recently of here at the uh a couple days ago and of course we had one

at the kennedy park where the fire uh the skating rink is so i see no have no issues of having that available if we if that's been uh you know been used already so i'm just hoping we can uh just have a fun summer event for everyone to enjoy themselves so thank you thank you we also uh we had nobody else sign up we also had this letter stated uh for public record for the kennedy park

but unfortunately i cannot read it into record because it came in at 3 17 p.m today you have a deadline as of 12 o'clock noon for citizen input so it also doesn't state that it's citizen input so yeah it just it's just a letter i guess from the state representative assistant all right i think joey if you wanted to you can just say it's in support of that but that's as far as i think it's

as a board yeah it's just it's a letter from the state representative paul schmidt in support of a carnival for kennedy park okay close citizen input new business item a request from a spirit of santa school for a field day at father to fossils park baldwin street on june 8 and 9 2022 with rain dates being the 15th and 16th

um i don't see an issue with it okay okay so any other questions so i do have a motion motion or grant permission second advice uh commissioner uh sylvia made that motion for it's a yearly event seconded by commissioner regal all in favor say hi item b

it's a bid award for north park ice skating rink improvements on hood street

uh it's about ready to open tomorrow next date it's also told i make a motion to approve thank you commissioner burns made that motion to approve second by commissioner paris all in favor say

all right item c that's the demeanor you want to come back up here and uh just for the record i missed it to me can you just uh state who you are and the title that you're holding right now uh charlie deadmeat uh interim director department creating maintenance thank you item uh c is a bid award for kennedy park baseball field upgrades middle street uh i'm gonna ask mrs uh smith speak on this for a minute

because we had some correspondence going back and forth between uh the purchasing department and corporation council basically it's a matter of uh the low bidder will be contacted there's whether paperwork is was missing from the bid or mandated in the bid or if it's actually somewhere else in the bid stated so we will be most likely the architect purchasing agent myself mr denmead will meet with the low bidder

and provided everyone is you know satisfied with the paperwork and the process and everyone is under full understanding of what the project entails then it will be awarded to the low bidder um which is what we would suggest and uh like and then if not if the low bidder does not meet that then it goes to the second lowest bidder so basically that's what this is coming before the board for there is some um a

question of some paperwork so if that paperwork is worked out between purchasing legal and whoever else needs to review it then we will award to low bidder if not it will go to the second lowest bidder so that's basically what we're looking for the boards um commissioners hope you have a question you just have one question about the project yourself that feel has the fence the backstop has a cement base wall is like

staying that's coming out it's not going to be staying the s the post for that the poles for that backstop are in the actual sidewalk so the poles will either go back in that actual sidewalk we're not going to take that wall out of there it will be the footprint of what's there right now motion to uh i don't think you should make that motion for this okay any other questions just as a cautionary

if it does not work out then to the second one without spending on the paperwork commissioner burns made that motion seconded by commissioner uh rigo all in favor say hi hi item d request from mark conrad cookie row community dave griffin park july 4th from excuse me 4th street july 16th and 9 a.m to 5 pm this is an annual event 10 years now i have no qualms or questions any questions

concerns from any of the commissioners mr silvia have a question uh i think i'm trying to find it says grilled hot dog how are you going to do the hot dogs uh and hamburgers all right and we're going to use that giant grill you've seen it before that we use each year they get it inspected they use the same grill every year firefighters will be out there they'll inspect it we'll have a fire extinguisher there

you all started commissioner yeah okay you have that question that was my question that was your question all right no problem motion to approve commissioner burns or uh should i have a second second second by commissioner sylvia all in favor say hi all right all right thank you as always thank you commissioner you've waited longer for the camera to go on thank you guys for all you do

item e highland pediatrics request for use of highland park robinson street for a healthy living event date to be determined and i know someone's here hello just state your name and uh yeah i don't know who you're from i'm abe raposa i'm a nurse practitioner at highland pediatrics which is in the truesdale building right on president avenue so we've actually done a get healthy program at the office using space

indoors to promote healthy eating active living for our patients and our families all free of charge um so we're hoping especially in light of covid to do an outdoor activity for them to have more space and to see the resources and parks that are in their communities and we said highland park can't be any closer to our office so we were hoping to do a very simple walk with the dock type

event with that park the the trail that kind of goes through the park it would be a free event for our patients and families we were thinking maybe like a midweek night once school is done like a wednesday night maybe after six o'clock or so just for a few hours we would love it to be a recurring event if you would allow us to do so and i'd like to bring in community

resources just to set up tables have mass in motion there boys and girls club whoever would like to come and just share their resources with our patients and families we had visions of maybe raffling off some prizes like grocery gift cards just to help promote healthy eating maybe bubbles and popsicles we want to imagine grilling or cooking anything but it would be at no cost to them it's

no financial benefit to the office it's really just for our current patients and families and welcoming it to them i had a question any other commissioners first uh question you said it was for your patients and their families if someone the general public wanted to go yeah of course we wouldn't stop them we wouldn't know even really who was if people were in the park and using the

park at the time yes of course all right uh do you know the date yet we don't it we said maybe a wednesday night if if that's doable or a week night preferably yeah i'm sure if it's approved you can work with mrs smith and then she'll fill us in what day you pick time and everything uh do we have any questions how many nights uh did you doing it one night oh

just one i i mean if it was successful and you'd allow us we'd love to maybe have it as like a monthly offering if possible and we weren't sure if we were able to use the basketball courts too if a few of the staff wanted to shoot hoops with the kids while others were walking around if that would be just kind of utilizing what the park has to offer

i know i know there's a very active uh kids are always playing on that but right i'm sure if you have a pimento user then you let them join in of course yeah we wouldn't be kicking anyone else that out that was there they made the motion to approve uh commissioner rio made that motion second second second date to be determined and she'll work with mrs smith okay all in favor say aye aye aye um amy

i'm going to send you um an email because there's other events i can give you their contact information if you guys wanted to join in on other events too just because i feel like that's something that this community needs definitely wouldn't necessarily be at highland but if it's something you're interested in i can um i can give you some context yeah we really are trying to get more involved with the community

i've been on the heel committee before and stuff so trying to do more so i'd appreciate it you brought up uh about food and everything commissioner here runs the food pantry down on niagara yeah yeah united way food pantries anything that we could have she can reach out to have her set up there great thank you so much for your time i appreciate it okay item f request from the latin christian

festival at griffin park 4th street on august 13th 8 am to six pm just state your name and uh addresses uh you know where you're here from michelle burgos 372 mulberry street for massachusetts 027 220 johnson street thank you all right just let us know what you want to know so we wanted to do an activity if you allow us to as a christian latin festival it's the same

thing mark is doing mark is going to be there with us we're going to be um it's going to be gospel music we're going to be preaching and we're also going to be giving out like quotes and things like that for people that are in need we're also going to be serving free food we're going to have tables from different latin countries just to show the culture um and we are going to be

it's our first time so mark is going to help us the salvation army and we're going to be using his large grill with him helping us and observing us no uh question i had was it says potlock event he's singing about grill now potluck is usually people just bringing food and everything is that the board of health is going to have to check all of that so that's what we

wanted to do a potluck but because we understand that someone has to be there to monitor the safety of the handling of the food then we wanted to see what you guys thought about that instead of doing a pop up it's still going to be free food basically but we also wanted to comply with the law so that's why we also said potluck but if we have to use the grill

and have someone watching us we don't have a problem with that was probably just grill grill let's see if about yeah have his grill doing that and that way it's safe for it and he's already doing it your experience that way and also these spanish dishes yeah yeah it's spanish it's just the same thing that he's doing basically about spanish i would check with just with the health department and what you

know what um regulations you have because i know there's different regulations as far as preparing food or bringing food on site or whatever so the that would be the first thing that i would check to see if that's it's something that you're going to be able to make your event what you want it to be or whether it's going to have to completely change because the health department is going to dictate that

policy no matter what the park board says because that like like we said there are regulations that they stringently have to follow both state and and city regulations so right and that's what she was discussing letting you guys know because we understood due to the regulations we're now changing it so just having everything grilled right even like the food that you're bringing there to prepare

check check with them like if you if you want to do this the spanish thing there may be a way to do the latin thing but i i would check with them first not that it's going to affect anything that this board does but they're going to have to sign off on your permit so they're going to need to know exactly what you're doing because they need to sign off to

us there's a few restaurants in the city if they wanted to donate and set up a table there and donate food to the public and that yeah it's the same way they are certified they're using his uh surf safe and everything so it's their license so the board of health could probably work with them if they wanted to give a dish or something as a sample because it's business for them too right something like that might

be able to be done well have them have work with the water health first okay so as soon as we get the permits from the board of health then we come back to you no no they can give you permission health approves that way if not we'll approve the grill okay okay well if they wanted to do little flattened dishes and that work with the water health if they give you the green light then go okay

just so everyone knows when this board gives a permit now they're giving the permit for you to use the land under your feet everything else has the the building department has their regulations the health department has their regulations and basically the park board's permit is for to use the land under your fee everyone else has other regulations and you have to get that paper signed by them so we know

that you visited because the paper that you bring around to them says if these regulations from other departments are not met then the park department's permit is null and void it does not it's not valid anymore until every one of those other people sign off our permit is null and void it's just a piece of paper all right okay so what we're trying to do is just thank you you know making making everybody aware that

these other departments it's extremely important more important than this or just as important as this permission that you get their their permissions and under that um that request that we made that's the only department that we need authorization you'll have to go and mr conrad is very familiar with the police um and you have to sign off whether even if they have nothing to do with your event

like you're not getting water from anyone you just need to tell them so that they know that that's events happening there even like the police and fire even people that don't have grills they need to go to the fire department because if there's a fire and you're having a large event in a park now they know they can't go up that street they got their best to go a different direction so the form that we

put online is basically a safeguard for everyone whether it has anything to do with your particular event or not it may indirectly affect that department so um and that that form is online it's called the civic events form but i can send one print one out and send it to you without a problem either so but that's that's a very important thing because without that being returned to me

i won't release the permit and you won't have a comment so what is the deadline for that um usually it all depends before we used to have them notified and approved now we just have you notified so you can do it be any time before your event just letting these departments know but if your event changes you've got to go back to them because they need to know exactly what

you're doing so i wouldn't do it too far ahead like a couple of weeks ahead of time okay but you you can have that paper right away and see what needs to be done and i mean your event is august so you you have some time okay thank you and just like not to bring up that uh you know past stuff and that last year we had an event come before us

and unfortunately we had to pull the plug at the 11th hour because when the that was presented to this board it wasn't presented to what it ended up turning out to be it was going to be an all-out concert in that in griffin park that police were not going to be able to man that that whole neighborhood was going to be shut down god forbid something went down there there's no way nobody was getting there

into that so you know that's why we have that form for that reason for you guys to go to each department head especially the chief of police and that especially this year they just had that event at kennedy park the other day and then cd rec had another event at the same time and there is there's the that's what we're trying to say is to make sure that events are not all

duplicating on the same day because now with the police reform there's no more auxiliary police they did away with them now with special operations street crimes and the housing unit that are covering all these events i know me and commissioner burns work for house internet we're paying a salary for them to be patrolling the house and sites and then on them same days they're patrolling all these events that's not

fair they're also not our either well there is another event just so you know at lafayette park on this date would that be an issue another church event because i had made that yes you did so i mean i don't know how the board feels about that it's not interrupting any other yeah so that's the only thing i will say with that with the date that it's going to be hard because i feel

like there is literally something going on every single week and i had explained when michelle first came to me that like you had said at the last meeting august has the feast it has something else in kennedy park it has this august event in um uh lafayette park and i asked if even a september thing could be done i know a lot of times they want to give away backpacks and send the kids back to

school with that so that's but if this is not a backpack thing you may be better and i mentioned this like a fall thing a fall festival or a september date because again as we're saying there are about you know every weekend in august from the 10th on there's a few there's something going on so if that's not anything that you have set in stone it may even be better for your

attendance to to pick a date that someone else doesn't already have something and i had mentioned that to michelle when she first brought this request but i think it was something where you guys wanted yes this statement that's why and if there's no issues with that we will continue to appreciate that day yeah so i i mean in my eyes i feel like i'm fine with this date as long as you guys know there

is another event but if you do go to get the form filled out and they say that they're if they want to put police presence and there isn't enough or of whoever it is then you'll have to move the date unfortunately just because like she said and we can say yes but if somebody else says no right um but like i said i don't know is that gonna be an issue but just as you know

just in case if that does happen that no one's surprised okay all right we'll be fine with that um and then if that does happen which i hope it doesn't then i'm fine with approving the motion and if they need to change the date then they don't have to come back to us they can just work with with mrs smith if that's okay with everyone else on the board that's fine any other questions

okay so i make a question make a motion to approve if for some reason something goes awry with the date then they can just work directly with mrs smith on a new date instead of having to come all the way back for pre-approval seconded by commissioner rio commissioner birds made that motion second by commissioner regal all favor say hi thank you thank you welcome item g request from the uh four river

community tennis to use the maple wood courts stafford road from june 1st to july 31st um i'm a little confused so we have a letter here in our packet they're all the same letter they're all the three of them are the same group yeah wait so was that was this letter having to do with that motion no it can't be because this let the letter is not the bench yeah that's oh no

yeah that's wrong that doesn't do that the bench yes after that kid they got killed kids yeah i got it right here oh all right this one here yeah well this has come before the board before no i know but i don't see it it's not on our agenda i that's my mistake because they were all in one packet when they came in okay but um the board had already approved you don't have to make

a motion or whatever just so it's just well it's in your packet it's not listed on the agenda um that's my mistake because i thought it was one um so i'm not sure whether you can act on the letter however this is something that the board doesn't even have to this can almost be an fyi for the board yeah because it even mentions that we already said we didn't

have an issue with this so i don't know who this letter was to but it's obviously not to us yes it is probably to you yeah because the board when they first came here when this group first came here they wanted to name courts and parks and whatever and this board said you can name you can install a bench in his memory or a tree in his memory so i i will clarify it but if

and and i can probably do this based on past issues uh past actions of the board explain the procedure but if this group wants to have a bench or a tree put in this board has already approved that okay so i will work with the group so if you want to you know disregard this because it's not anything that's my mistake um but it's kind of an fyi from me to you

um sounds good but that was my mistake so work with mrs smith on the convention

item g four of attendance off so it's not just to clarify this is not going to be a um a monument no no no this is a bench or a tree yep if it's a monument then it's going to have to come back before again but i don't think this board the board has already said they're not approving a monument question on behalf of that because i asked who went my son

well it's not really on the gender but you can ask me the question um me the question not them yeah you i wanted to execute yeah i'm sorry to interrupt um there's a tree already decorated there would it be too much tax to just get that tree granted to me and a bench right next to it that we would pay for it we're not asking the city for the money for the for anything

we will fund everything yeah we just want the permission to build it there okay i will work with you with that yes i'm not saying yes i will work with you with that because it's something that this board has approved the bench i will work with you with the location okay okay so i'm sorry i i thought that this was part of their request because all the three letters all together came in

all at once on one email so i just put it all together thinking i had to do it the festival it kind of does because you want to do it at that festival not really but the situation that my son went through is what brought us all oh no yeah no yes it's the reason why we're doing all these activities yeah okay yes i understand so i will work with you i

will look at this and and i will call you tomorrow that's this was my mistake but this is something that the board has already you were the lady that called me too for today right yes okay so you already have my number yes i do yes perfect thank you so much and i i excuse myself oh yeah i'm sorry uh can i answer one question no no it's the bench tonight can it be like what

was with uh kennedy with the little plaque yes yeah yeah so we can put they can put it near the tree but i will i will they have to buy the bench in the back and it says in dedication to whatever yes yes just to touch on that so we already approved that so we are i don't want you to feel like we're not we are you're good to go and then children to make

sure i was clear oh yeah absolutely no this yeah this was my this was my like i said this was my mistake i thought that it was part of the other festival information that's why i ended up calling you about the festival but yes the benches cleared and they had said if you did that you would work with me anyway so i will work with you i'll give you a call um and meet you there

either if not this week next week to see where you're talking very much you're welcome god bless you thank you all right item g request from the florida community tennis uh association the use of maplewood courts stafford from jalaha june 1st to july 31st from 6 pm to dog anybody else already using the tennis courts this group has used one question it says maple wood but on tuesday nights

it's bicentenally they want both okay but it doesn't say that on here uh i think monday wednesday monday and wednesday i'm saying in the letter it doesn't say it on the agenda oh all right i'm just let's not just want to make for the record we can only put so much on the agenda

as long as you have the location the days are up to us it says tuesday nights it says bicentennial tuesday nights but the agenda but the the posting doesn't say it as long as they're fine with media coming and getting my serena on all right uh do i have uh commissioner i want to make a comment about your request nice to see all the paperwork and goddess requests with things we usually have to baseball lean

classes and and i just want to make that clear and this is a group that started before right yes yes this is everything i know i'm just being smart all right do i have any other questions or concerns no commissioners motion event permission second commissioner sylvia made that motion second by commissioner burns all in favor say aye all right all right just uh i gotta make one comment quick on

while it reflects this uh so commissioners i put these agendas together especially this past weekend was a short week because uh the agenda has to be together by the monday of this meeting uh by what is it two o'clock it has to be posted so the latest diving i looked at this agenda together last friday i believe it was thursday oh last thursday excuse me and the thing is we

we're going to put this all to the public when you guys are holding events or not if i don't have it by that thursday of that day we did it before oh actually was it 10 days before 10 days at least minimum 10 days before because it's not going to happen it's going to go on the following agenda because what's happening is we're i'm putting this agenda together then i'm signing it and then after she's calling

me another one came in now i gotta go back do it again and it's not fair to us no we see that we do it we do it nancy's doing a great job of dragging us in as quickly as possible so but yeah from now on that's going to be on the record that attendees if it's not in before 10 days before basically i have to say good we're going to cut it

off our website says 30 days yes our website says 30 days in advance and based on the type of event 30 to 60 days so if it's a big event we we want like two months notice i mean it's not something that we can just turn around because as you see we have them going to different departments we have them so i mean i i've been really trying to turn these things over so people don't

have to wait but it seems like when okay 30 days became 20 days 20 days became 10 days 10 days became five days you know so it is something that we're gonna have to be a little bit more strict on and it's just gonna have to go over to the next meeting and unfortunately sometimes it doesn't allow for it because they want to have it within that 30 days so we're sticking with two months

and unfortunately what it is it is a public park i'm not going to say that that i want you to go do that but if you go do it then what's going to happen is you're at your own risk because if someone calls and you don't have a permit the police officers can throw you out of there you're protecting us from ourselves it's a public pocket so you have thousands of people then it becomes an event

all righty item h request from the journey christian church summer in the park event at abacor burke street or lafayette eastern avenue july 27 28 and 29 9 a.m to noon that's me how are you doing hi how are you just that your name and address my name is sarah pudlow um my address do you want the the church address or my dream that's fine the church address is 657 quarry street in fall river

so i'm here on behalf of journey church and highland city church which meets at one of the local schools and we are looking to form kind of a community of churches coming together to put on this event however headed up by journey in highland city it's just a community event for the kids in the community to come out it's games activities um crafts the theme of our uh summer in the park uh

kind of a traditional vacation bible school if you will uh we're calling it a summer in the park uh is art and creativity so lots of really fun art activities there will be different stations where the kids will rotate around and we certainly hope to be able to do some giving back as far as school supplies so we hope to rally the churches in the area to collect all sorts of school

supplies to be able to donate and allow for kids in the community to pick up what they need and so it's a morning event we wouldn't take up the whole park but we would have you know good good section of it we're hoping for for lafayette uh and if that's not possible for abbott any questions just one question i know you have three dates are you planning on leaving stuff

there or bringing it back and for every day good question so we would break it down and likely store it in um in trailers and then we would bring it back every day okay off-site oh you're gonna leave in a trailer i think we'd take it off site okay um i'm just saying because of security yep okay any other questions uh are you planning on uh doing any food or anything

um there's potential for a snack station um but it would likely be closed pre-packaged pre-packaged snacks um it is a creativity style camp so potentially giving the students the pre-packaged items and then having them create with them um but i i've got a food license myself so we i understand all the you know the hesitancies that come with that so it's definitely something we're cautious

about i know this is only for your all the churches that you belong to so as if for the whole public it's for the it's for the entire city uh everyone's welcome to come uh journey christian church highland city are heading it up there will be other churches that are participating um and definitely open to the public there will be pre-registration required just because they'll be we'll need to know

how many kids are coming um so uh we actually have a website fallriverchurches.org that we're hoping to use as a launch pad where we're just uniting the churches and getting them together to do stuff in the city to do stuff publicly and the reason why i was asking is because commission like commissioner burns i don't know if you were here uh when she was speaking to the other young lady about highland

commissioner burns has a group of uh excuse me providers and everything from agencies and commissioner regal also runs the food pantry so we'd love to yeah we're going to say the same thing to you i was like i'll send you an email absolutely yeah we're really involved with a lot of work we know mark conrad he's part of our church and so we would like to be involved in the

community as much as we can with any community events or um yeah let us know i would also suggest that you reach out to grace girling because they have a summer lunch program in both of these parks that would be great so there you may have a lot more children than you um thought yeah with the summer lunch program from i can send it over to be great awesome so i

would contact her as well and possibly work with her because your event could be a little bit bigger than you yeah anticipate and maybe she can um yeah we had we had thought about how we could potentially provide lunches in a kind of a streamlined way if there was a certain organization that could come in with the food licenses to just provide that every day um so she would probably need to know like

just i know that every time she gets a certain account for certain locations um so i would definitely reach out to her when you do this because you you know i think they even take it indoors at some point if it's rainy and i don't know whether these activities that you're planning would be able to work you know you might be able to work in conjunction with her they take their lunch program indoors

yes if it rains it has to go inside systems okay that's that the lunch program is definitely served every weekday especially at lafayette yeah and apple it's great i know abbott doesn't have a lunch program they don't have it anymore it was moved to sunset hill now three years ago yeah if we could partner with them that'd be great yeah i'll send that all over to you great thank you so much yeah the other

thing too like she was saying he'll send it over uh it's just uh it says your event ends at noon i think she starts serving the luncheon 11 30 yeah i mean you could cap it off when they're leaving they can go over and grab their lunch it won't fully be 9 2 to noon it'll it'll probably be a two-hour program so likely like 9 30 to 11 30. um and we'd arrive somewhere earlier to set

up she sets up at lafayette she sets up right at the top okay great awesome okay thanks so much you're welcome uh do i have a motion make a motion segment okay commissioner faris made that motion to approve second by commissioner sylvia all in favor say aye aye thank you so much thank you uh just work with mr smith again we'll give you that civic events forum right liability policy that kind of thing that's necessary

it's okay if i'm excused yes else stays because they like us so much don't worry five o'clock they stop do they yeah

requesting the green school principal to use uh pulaski park for a field day on june 9th rain date the june 10th at 9 00 a.m to 3 p.m this is the annual event for the grand school what's the vice principal motion and grant permission second motion to grant permission is made by commissioner silvia seconded by commissioner rodrigo all in favor say hi item j request from rachel gospel

regarding the farmer's market at kennedy park bradford avenue for june 10th excuse me from june to november you see any questions in the end right yes motion

just so one thing just to let the rest of the board know uh so miss gossby is what is her title market master market master we deal with her mrs smith deals with her we're getting emails or calls from other farmers last year it was the same thing somebody trying to overthrow her and everything we don't get into the politics with that stuff they thought it's her rules she does it

we give her permission and she does it if they have a problem concerning that they need to take it up with her it's not going to keep coming to the park boy because she runs a good program and i don't see we're not going to be the police for that organization can do that i'm excited for it to open all right item k requests from the flint neighborhood carnival at kennedy park broadway

on july 5th to july 10th

just take your name and address for the second carlos caesar 367 frost street for river mess and you're also president i'm the president from the flint neighborhood association and just like the the latter explains our boards approved request again this is we tried every year and some years we we got lucky um some years we didn't i still have the opinion and i understand that the board is trying to

follow a rule that was dictated years ago the cars don't run the way the car was running 20 years ago rules change things that needs to be updated things need to be changed city for river it's not the city that was 20 years ago every time that i get denied i always say when i leave this table we need a board member to to bring this conversation back to the table a month

goes by a year goes by i come back nothing changed i i still think that we need to have a conversation we need to bring back we need to change rules we need to even if nothing changed but at least we have a conversation about a discussion about what why is not why is yes and um so what happened is about three years ago i was in front of the board and i said um

the reason that i'm bringing the carnivals number one is because the city could enjoy a carnival but number two is the money that we provide oh that we get provided by this carnival we always back put back into the community i didn't mention the organization that we would like to donate this year because i don't want them to expect something that probably is not going to happen so i kept it that uh for after a yes

vote we don't even do it for ourselves or to try to raise for our organization it's so many organizations out there that got impacted especially this year with covet that survived and volunteers survive in donations that they could not even leave the houses last year so um and we would like to to give back to those communities three years ago i was in here in front of this table and i said please

somebody else is trying to bring a carnival and i understand i'm not against what i asked was please this company this is the company this is the reason why we don't have carnivals in fall river because this carnival comes in destroys everything and leaves and that's exactly what happened they bought this carnival in anybody can contact the carnival i use but that's a it's a carnival that has responsibilities

that he already came in person in front of the sport and and he talked to the answer all the questions that the people have we have a big policy insurance um and they follow and he follows through and that's exactly what happened this company came in did some damages probably mrs smith still have a few bills that never got paid and leaves and that's the problem i have it's not from another person to bring the

carnival i would put them in touch anybody that wants to bring a carnival i would put them in touch i'm not i i don't do things just for myself this is my city it's my neighborhood yes but most important my neighborhood it's my city and i love my city so we keep trying and like i said i would like to have a conversation depending on on the vote i don't care how the vote goes

but i would like i and we have a new board members now that i will really like to get into a conversation and the discussion about this rule and if it's something that makes sense still on or not and then move on if it's not it's not but at least we had a conversation we had we put everything on the table 20 years after and that's the result but with that being said i always

respect every single person on this board for their votes that they're trying to do follow the rules and do everything by the law i never blamed nobody from for a no vote but on the same time in return what i ask is let's have a conversation up 20 years after okay um i have a question i commissioned burns um and i do not want anybody to get fired up by this

is the main reason why we stopped having carnivals is because of the damage that it caused is that the reason why we stopped i think there was a multitude i think there was a multitude of reasons why we stopped and um some of them have not changed being we don't have staff and our staff has decreased even less the board made that rule because it just was let me say this

we have discussed this for a number of years and each year it comes back to the park year after year after year politicians city employees and carlos can attest to this park board members we say we're not going to have them in the park but we are going to find another location where we can have these events okay and it goes it does not ha what it doesn't say you can't have this

carnival if it's not in a park so everybody city councilors you name it everyone has said you're right it doesn't belong in a park but we we should have these kind of events and we need to find a place and carlos is right in the sense where month goes by two months go by no one talks about it anymore the problem is and i and i think that this is the case the parks we can't have

fireworks in the parks because they're very congested when you have these kind of because we're into neighborhoods so we everyone needs to quit spinning their wheels and quit making things sound good and not only this park board this park board is the one that's held that fault like oh we're holding carnivals hostage we're not holding carnivals hostage these are city-wide events and they should not be placed on

the back of this park board because the only place people want to put them is in a park there if everyone state representatives everybody wants to say yeah this is what we should do but mr caesar is right come to the table and find an alternative location then because it really shouldn't be in a park because there is a lot of destruction and regardless of whether how good the gentleman is i

know the gentleman's you know of good reputable company but you're not going to say that it doesn't have a detrimental effect on the property that it has we've said we need a fair ground we need a thing for i mean i've been around long enough to carlos has had rodeos he's had you name it and that's exactly what it was going to say was i scratch my head and i look

through maps and i sit down with planners to try to fund a location and it's no locations on this city to do a carnival outside city properties has to be in private properties i did use a mill 10 years ago because i got the crazy idea somebody came to me with an idea to bring a rodeo so i total change a parking lot uh a mill parking lot into a rodeo into a

arena what they have i have to be divided city had to bring i don't know how many trucks of dirt for for the for the animals and and all of that so i just make it possible things to happen things that people can enjoy themselves and and people that cannot afford to go to texas to see a rodeo they can see a ride on their backyard i i try my best to fund places

when i got denied i i was able to fund have a mall was closed i i worked with ken fiola he was happy enough to help me we found the place we contacted the owner we had it there i i try to get the carnival going even if it's not city parks but one thing that that it's one thing that i i disagreed with mrs smith all the time is the damage that the carnival

does in a park the damage that the carnival does in the park it's always that's why they have insurance they they will fix it whatever it is have insurance they want but it's like you said i'm still not collecting on my my damage so so the point of it is is you can have all the insurance you want but if you don't just like mr hackett if you don't go through your insurance company

the person who has the damage stays with the damaged property i just think regardless of what anybody says and this has been the ongoing situation it's difficult to put these things in parks and you're going to tell me that we've had school properties come up we sell them we've had other properties come up we sell them why wouldn't we have turned one of those into something this has not been going on yesterday

this has been going on as he said for 20 years and you're going to tell me there has not been a parcel in the city of fall river that came up for sale that couldn't be used i don't understand well we have this property and i talked to a couple of mayors about this this school across the street here it's right on top of the highway it's a perfect place for a fairground

because it's downtown has no houses around and it's sitting right there on top of the highway anybody driving on a highway will see an event there but nothing nothing happened well i have people and and she knows who who i'm talking about that are comparing the carnivals with the holy ghost feast so and i have them told me well if if you want to change the carnival into a feast you invite a priest

to the carnival to blast the rights now it's it's now it's it's a a it's a religion event it's not more carnival you know but this is not going to answer the question a wright still arrives and a procession still a procession okay so and i and i understand that but in the meantime i think it's not fair for our city to not to have a carnival just like all other towns and like mrs smith said

that goes into the politicians too that goes into the administration's tool we need a carnival here just like we need a new school we need a carnival so let's find a place to do it let's work together to find a place but that never happens and and and we we are again it's another year went by and the last time i heard from about the carnival was when i got a no two years ago

because last year i could not have it hey questions concerns commissioners i have a one opinion is you you're the president of the flint neighborhood you have a business that's right there what about u.s betting they just took over sam's club they don't use that whole parking lot i i tried uh with mrs fayola yep uh carol fiola i believe that they're good friends um and i did put a call and was negative

believe me i i i knocked at every door it is it is it's even in the area even the the old sims club where they are right now i said i just need half of the back yeah i don't even need the front i just need give me half of the back of the building it's enough for me to put a carnival there but yeah i i i knocked it every

door on the city that has a good size park that they could get their business going and in the meantime and i was lucky to get that mill um and then what happened i found out was after the rodeo uh they took a couple of days to come and pick up the trailers and with with the arena and everything and now it's monday morning and they have the trailers coming from new york

coming in to the factory so now i got the owner from new york said carlos you told me you were going to be out of there on monday morning prevent them from happening in parks the same thing we're going to be out by monday it's still there by thursday so and and they were that easy the carnival it's pretty good i don't know if you guys noticed uh remember two years ago i

got a par uh the parking lot behind the the four river shirt which now it's all fenced the the back the owner said okay you can have it there four days no problem so the carnival is starting to move again blocked the kit they were going to put the trailers with the toys all against the the the building the owner didn't told me that the back it's rented to a contra constructor company so now

they are opening the rights and here comes the trucks company trucks that rents the back of the the mill so this i said you can you open and they said well we're not going to be open and closing we're moving to the next town the shutdown and newspaper already announced everything was was a mess again trying to find a private place to to put it i i try i try my best no okay

so i don't want to like keep prolonging it so y'all already know how i feel about this because i love doing stuff for the city so in my eyes i feel like maybe there is a way that we can make it work and that's just me that's i'm only one person and i know helen's already shaking her head um so i know that the issues that we've had and then you had said that

do does the carnivals pay to have it here is that how do you make money off of it because you were saying you would get it don't you would be able to donate yourself so what he does is he shares the profit okay so and like i said everyone just hear me out what if there was a potential that a part of the profit comes like to us for potential damages or

like i said and i know that the week that they wanted this is you don't look at me this is the board's decision no and but okay but this is every so this is i'm saying this to everyone but um just because like i said i and i i'm also thinking of places like in and on the board's defense because i'm kind of in i'm switzerland in this way because typically when i see carnivals

like in other um cities it's not in parks typically they're in like mall so like dartmouth has one every year it's always in the dartmouth mall yeah i was going to say something that's what i'm saying so it's not always i've i don't think i've ever seen one in a plot it didn't have them all and that's so that was the other thing i'm like they've had it in harbor mall

why can't they have it there again and the reason they do build because not south coast plaza is they don't have enough parking for for them all right now it's like we can and south coast plaza will never allow the ride the rides have to bang into the concrete and bang into the they have to uh make holes what do you say uh spikes thank you thank you charlie you have to

anchor these rides they're big rides so the reason we stopped them in parks and in kennedy park is because they anchored into the waiting pond and that's what brought that out of that no more things in the waiting pond because the waiting pond now became porous cracked whatever so that was out of the question these parking lots many of them that they allow them to have them in are in pretty

bad conditions so it doesn't really matter what happens there and that's why if it were so easy and it wasn't an issue he would not have a problem with going to u.s mattress or sam's club or whatever these things somehow just snowball in and that's why they're in these parking lots or whatever like we're saying unfortunately i mean that's why i said you know some of these schools had parking areas the

school was was there and and to me it would have been a perfect thing and i mean i've said it a million times and a thousand times we've discussed with tupper heights we've discussed with tupper heights so long that you could have had 25 years ago already in the factory where they said it's not available well what are they doing with the land because it's been sitting there for whatever reason i mean

we have to yeah i mean i'm not asking no no no well i can it's not even it's it's not not even asking that how because of that i'm just asking there is a parcel of land that supposedly we would and carlos can attest to this oh we're going to look into that we're going to and then something has been going on with this parcel for this many years it's in

litigation so that's why so like i'm not allowed to say anything but like it's it's literally not even the housing it's literally with the state so we can even if the housing authority said right now like oh yes we want to it's literally not even right but i'm saying he has saying representative fiola he's saying representative schmidt these are people that are associated with the state maybe they can

and the reason that the board got a letter from uh paul schmidt was there because i contacted because of the watapa height i i called him because of the watapa heights and he thought he told me we cannot even touch that but i will support you on the carnival i said of course that they gave us for is when dcm snow removal they dump the snow there that's it that's the only thing that can

go there because it's an emergency so has anyone has anyone looked into bicentennial because like i mean fall over celebrates america used to be down there that's yeah i looked into it kind of was there anymore either no um then the parking lot where the carriage heritage state park yes i contact this state oh yeah that's my phone no the carousel the carousel the parking lot i contacted the stage no no she's

talking and they they just did it two years ago that's what the state taught me we just put a lot of money into the new parking lot near battleship yeah yeah yeah all right i'm i'm out those gates what they locked the gates down with that battle yeah state police come down and lock their games they put barriers there well they probably keep it open if there's a carnival there but uh i'm just kidding i'm sorry

yeah i mean we can stay here five hours trying to identify parcels and believe me probably 99 i knock on the doors already mr silva has a question commissioner sylvia i know mr caesar has heard me say this in the past being on this floor and everything i agree with the conversation going on we've done on this board over the years tried to work with mr cedar tried to work in the administration

tried to work with everybody to find a place mr smith is right we we had other places that we could have you know the city owned and got rid of or whatever um i'm not against carnival you've heard me say that in the past and i would love to support you but i just don't see where we can put it or anybody can put it for that matter not us we're not gonna put it anywhere but

um you know for the reasons that we discuss the damages and liability and insurance and and things of that nature so you know i wish it was easy and and the reason that we got carnivals oh i'm sorry i wish there was any easy solution and um but this conversation has been going on for years i've been on this board for a long time and we've had these conversations over and over and over

again when the board decided what what we're going to do and try and alleviate the problem and we instituted some rules and simulations everybody got involved nobody going to get involved to assist us and find a place but when when the board made rules now you know everybody wants to have their opinion and voice it but nobody's offered a solution either you know i'm willing to sit down and try and find a solution but

i'm not prepared to vote on this today um until we have those conversations what if there was a stipulation that like they couldn't have certain rides like i don't know what type like if they couldn't have a ferris wheel they couldn't have like big big rocks they can't do the big rides they don't make the money that's not what they don't they don't make i mean like how it goes is this is

how a carnival goes mr caesar you get us to come into your town we're gonna give you ten thousand your organization ten thousand dollars bottom line you get you get a fee like it or not rain or shine that's your fee then we're going to give you a certain percentage of the tickets that's how that works correct carlos no so well that's how it's always worked yeah no what happens is they

they don't just split the percentage of the ticket you get you give they know they what they do is this company the other companies don't work like this this company provides me 15 000 coupons for every kid in school goes home that weekend with a coupon that he can use during a specific day a few hours he's inside he can leave one one right and go straight to another and many times he wants it's free rides

with that with that then what he does is he gives me bracelets for families that really cannot afford i contact the schools the schools kind of give me some information and give me numbers and i call them and they pick up the free brass list for the kids okay then on the end when they pay the bills and everything that's what he tells me that's why some i got ten thousand dollars the first

year that we did two weekends i got ten thousand dollars was the cameras that we purchased for the police department every time that the carnival comes in and gives me a donation i put back into the community again okay that was the first year then the second year they only gave me six thousand dollars was just one weekend they just gave one so um that depends how much they make okay

and and sometimes they have a rainy day that they don't open that happen before two so all that impacts how much they give it to us okay i never know when they come in i never know how much they're gonna give me that's that's the difference so they're i'm trying and this is the last thing i'll say i promise because i'm just trying to make this work because i feel like i being on the park board

i don't like seeing which like it was in the paper or it was or online like oh it's about the park board the parkour's probably going to turn it down and it's and like you guys said like like it falls on us like like you had said the state representative oh i can't help you but i support you and it's like that really does nothing for anyone because anybody can say they can support you but

until they're there get in there like their elbows dirt like they're not there that does nothing for me like anyways um who's a volunteer for everyone steps back like i'm gonna like i'll volunteer to help you and then they don't show up the day of like that's not how it works like yeah your word is great but if you don't if there's no action behind it anybody can write a letter anybody can

give somebody's letterhead hey type this on here and send it to joe schmoe and it's oh yep i'm in support so and anybody can take that exactly how they want to take it bigger but problem is bigger than what is the park board gonna grant this permission the problem is bigger than that correct and i think that here's the other thing mr caesar has a carnival once you open that carnival door

he wants a carnival he wants a carnival he wants a carnival and he wants a carnival well it's not he's just one and don't no no no no no but here come that's what comes the rules okay so here all right no no the rule is if the rule should be then the city sponsors the carnival the city needs to be the one just hold the carnival find the carnival's place be

the carnival sponsor and then there's one carnival because the minute you say flint neighborhood association can have a carnival niagara neighborhood association is going to want to have a carnival and i'm just saying helen and this is no association and this is why it led to no carnivals and the only reason and the church and this and that and it's uh okay we've gotten these events to be a little bit more

low-key with cookouts and music and whatever because before everyone would have wanted a convo because the carnivals generate a lot more money but that we just had the thing about the police well the carnivals create a lot more issues for the police department as well so then why is is there a way that us as a board can send a letter to the city we have we've had the chairman of the past chairman of the board

offered to sit with uh and go out and look with other workers and and people that sponsor things in the city to go find well and and nobody does because when mr mr caesar's right when he leaves here oh we're sorry mr caesar the answer is that no but we're going to look for a place so no so that's not what i was going to say sorry so i was going to say so what

if it what if we as a board agree to allow one carnival just one carnival per season and it is something that the city has to take control over so it is a city so if the flint organization wants to pair up with the city but it is an event the city themselves plans they did this i'm going to tell you this is what they did one year did we not do this college

every time one year the flint neighborhood was going to sponsor it the next year natalie uh from bank street was going to be the one to benefit with the money the next year someone else was going to benefit tell let's be honest and show the so far the carnival that we've been allowed in the city was never approved by this park board never was always sponsored by the mayor i can

leave now here with a no and the mayor could get me on the phone and say carlos i'm sponsoring your carnival no no y'all cut me off because that's not what i'm trying to say like you guys aren't letting me finish okay okay so so what i'm saying is if it is a city driven fall river the city of fall river driven carnival whoever it is joe schmo association

if helen wants a whatever it can be this event anyone who wants to be included can be under this umbrella however they handled the entire thing we as the park board say you can take whatever whatever the park is we decide they can use that park but then they are liable for everything so the next day if there is still something there the city is responsible for if there is

if the city is responsible they can get like i work for the housing authority if we don't have enough people on staff we subcontract things out so the money that they get from this carnival we don't even know what they get because when we have people this is what we used to do when we had people have events in parks we used to say we want a cherry sheet back from your event you know how many

cherry sheets we got back from people's events to tell us what was their expenses and what were their revenue zero zero because after the event is done they owe us nothing they don't look back we're just they're just as guilty as we are as far as turning their backs on this is what we make this is what you do but before these these organizations used to have to give us this is what we

but now we can't even depend on them giving us the correct information it's the same thing as with the leaks how many kids are in your leagues we we we count on honesty and unfortunately that's not what happens like i said we can go on forever forever about this but i don't i have i have damages done by charter school by the charter school bus that used to be in in kennedy park that i have

i have on my wall in my office okay get a price get a price get a price all i do is get prices and you know who fixes it nobody not the charter school not the city and then i have people coming in saying the parks look like a dump yeah they're right they do look like a dump because everybody gets permission to use them and when they don't fix them and the

city don't have money to fix them it doesn't get fixed um i i so i mean we can go on and on i just have one thing to say yeah you got all my reports every event that i put on the city park you got them all right but if you don't have it i will have copies i will drop it off to you i don't i carlos it doesn't i'm not

one way or another you know i don't care either way but that the guy that ends up having to chase everything is me i almost because in the end after it's done nobody cares everybody's happy everybody shook hands everybody went there and kissed babies and i'm the one stuck with the mess i do agree that the city should be the one sponsoring a carnival and it's up to the city

where they're going to donate i will i will able to do that i have no problem to do that somebody wants a carnival i will work i will work with them i don't even want the donation i just want the event here kyle's have you gone to the administration first asking about this no no no again because i don't know that i don't know how much like i said i just i feel like

i don't know if we want a table i don't know what we do with this and i know everything i'm pretty sure i feel like i'm the only person that would ever vote yes on this because i but i feel like if there if we go about it the correct way i think it definitely can be done if we if we make this city give the park department funds for any damage but they have

regardless we get a fee for the we we charge the city to use our park the city of fall river yes you can't who says who says that's what i'm saying who says that we can't that's if that's something that the city wants if that state representative if all of these people want to put it in the paper saying we won't do it give us a fee to be able to repair any damages that are happening

and then you can have it in our park well uh the owner was here the last time he was here he said i will drop off a check i have no problem paying for damages because he's confident that you you will fix what i'm saying the last the last event the last carnival that took place in lafayette park we moved the cheese when was the cheese move back uh they

never went back we voted two months ago and i called mr demean today the cheese finally got removed today but i was not there the last time i'm just saying but i'm not blaming you i'm just saying about the last one that i made that before exactly these promises were made by city organizations even

i'm the director of finance of housing authority you want something you have to pay for whether it's even though it's a city park right now i work for the housing authority we have executives that we charge out for all of our different sites for the entire housing authority so if sunset hell has something that i have to work on they have to pay a portion of my salary so just because we

all fall under the same umbrella of the city of fall river you want to use my park i need money to be able to repair it after you use it thank you that's the simplest 25 a day for park fee use do you think that that's going to fix anything we'll we'll up the fee i don't know i'm trying here

that this is the fee that's charged for this particular thing well we can have an ordinance for carnivals that could be a separate thing for carnivals and we can say only one carnival can happen in a year exactly all right i'm bowing out i'm hungry so i'm done i think i think um i think carlos that this is not going to happen in the next be able to happen in two months but again you've come here

and you've opened up the dialogue let's hope because i've said enough of things to probably anger a lot of people giving me both and for me and and to to finalize so we don't stay here all night yeah here comes and that was the perfect example commissioner burns just brought up that's a conversation that that could that's something that could be part of the conversation is that's going

to be even be possible do we need to change that the city councils need to be involved so let's get the city council's involved let's change the rules let's pull policies on and let's move on because what i feel is when i live here that's it you'll see me here next year again which i already know that i'm not going to go nowhere but i keep trying every year to see if i

if i don't burn that bridge bridge down and if we keep having conversations uh about the carnivals because the end of the day i still think that we deserve our kids deserve a city deserve just like other small towns around us it's towns that's around us and i think our kids deserve to have a carnival it's once a year it's once a year but i think they deserve let's keep going to the that conversation and

and and let's get it done in one way no i want to say a couple of things uh being patient letting everybody else talk on me my thing is the perfect scenario and like uh she said the former chairwoman i know i seen on social media her and mike diane going back and forth about land and i when i came on the sport i immediately called him and said you need to find

some land for this because it shouldn't just be for condos it should be for circuses yeah it should be right there a fairground it's preferably off a highway that way it's easy access and that it's not tying up a congested neighborhood because if we allow this to go in kennedy now you have the feast the following month you just had a car show you have another block party down there and

when does that neighborhood get a break then poor people like where do they park and everything yeah and the reason i moved to kennedy park uh this year was because the funds was gonna stay on that neighborhood so that's why i want to uh i bought it from my neighborhood up here because again doesn't matter where it goes it's our city it's my cities my life i grew up down a habit harris and i

helped out one day it was a circus down at tillerson rubber on that dirt area i helped put up the big with elephants and everything they pulled up today we were all teenagers and we and then they let us in they let us in the worst certainty that's the you know what i mean it's like a fair ground anything that wants to come into the city santa monica goes to that destination

the city the city could have electric already uh approved there everything just open up the doors hold up to your lecture what about the gates everything it's a fair one what about the gates it's too small it is too small how big you want it is just all right some of these right you need to be 50 feet away from electric my thing is like everybody says and i i brought this conversation up a

couple of weeks ago and you know i know they're the city pier they're fixing it all up and i had to do concerts and everything else there and that i tried that my thing is i love my whole carnival down there but my thing is why can't we be like atlantic city in myrtle beach tonight why don't we have a ferris wheel down there did you make money like that down here why can't we do that

we should be there that way you see that going over the highway and that you're trying to actually affect my memory yes um school department have you ever tried using air when you're there what comes to mind to me is henry lord they got a big green field yeah it's grass it's not avatar you want to get the city involved why can't your school department why not that's why that's good this isn't good i

even told them i the donation will go to the school what did they say wait and what did they say and what did the school department say the people that i talked to yeah they never made a decision um well maybe it's time they make a decision because we're looking for a couple of for the park boys we've been you've been coming to the park for 25 years maybe first of all

i don't even think henry lord is used now you're going to have a situation for parking but you don't have a situation for parking at kennedy park you have the same situation for parking there's no way to park so that's all tivitin uh shove up that way what's up what's up that way used to be all these all these things we they sell well if they're kind of all in my understanding is henry lord hasn't

been used for a long time in that field they use it for um what's it called that wouldn't be big enough right for falcons i have father travasco's field nothing's going on in there too yeah again you want to come to the park get out of the park go someplace else it's the park i would say is like you've mentioned about the school and that and they did the movie nights there that but

i don't know if you're going to be able to have a carnival at durfee's oh yeah that hill no i'm seeing that parking lot

uh okay what's up sylvia school there i just want to remind you we are doing a meeting yeah so we need to uh no we don't i don't want to wrap up you guys i never knew that we're trying to suggest we're trying to find a place now for now and what we're saying is these are we're also giving you ideas now because guess what i'm pretty sure the school committee meets

in a few days you can go and hit them up next the problem is same thing we've had with school sports leagues well we didn't have enough fields and we suggested oh go to jersey or go to a school that has a field let them use it and what happens they don't let us they don't let anybody use it unless they're going to pay for it but we give everything out like nancy

said earlier for nothing let's make those fees first it's not about the thief it's easier to come to the parks what i'm saying is we have to try and find somewhere other than the parks we've already determined that these things uh are not something that we want in parks and for 20 some years we haven't found that one other piece of property other than a park that we just put down

shame on us shame on the city perfect scenario that's why the parking damages that's all stone dust and that's it it doesn't get damaged stone does you pull anything okay you need to vote because it's not anything about the old henry i make a motion how much land do you actually need um i'm not i don't know yeah i think last time they he said 300 by 300 what's dave's beach doing these days no

they just did it oh i tried that too that's the problem that's that's that state but see this is what this is what kind of gets me davis beach says no school department says no this one says no that one says no but the only thing that makes the paper is poc department says no one yeah why why is it not everyone else said no what's the dimension that i feel like

i'll admit though i've seen them i know that was my thought but i don't think it hasn't got heated today nice and comfortable the field that the guy complained about basically it's not that big and i think you're near the railroad the railroad goes by there that's where they used

oh that would be good yeah i think there's plenty of places that's huge and we've had these conversations in the past yeah i'm tired of being pox poc my friend uh my friend ken uh uh ken pacheco what i might call tomorrow he's the uh the guy in charge right if anyone can do it if anyone can do what he can i have full faith in him though i'm gonna make emotions so i can abstain

all right any other questions what's the pleasure of the board call this talk not with silence mrs smith come here let me make a motion because i look i'll make a motion to deny unfortunately because we don't have a location to do it uh i'm not against carnival but i've been on this floor for a long time as long as this is season's becoming here and it's the same and he's right it's the

same talk over and over and over again so why would the rules change this year as opposed to last year or any other year so i i can't support this i'm sorry but i mean i would love to see stuff for kids and carnivals and if we had a place to do it that's not going to cause damage to the park or anywhere else and i think i think that henry law field

is the perfect place to stop his emotion mrs smith second do i have a second to deny come on victor you can do it i'll second but i just i under protest okay it's gonna be in that case i will draw my motion

all right i think we should have a meeting with other people to get something well either way whether you're going to have a meeting or not you need to either deny this because table in it isn't going to do them any good so if you're not going to award it then you need to deny it and make a point that you send a letter to the administration or somebody contact somebody

to put that in and i don't make motions and he withdrew his motion now if i can hold on one second hold on we're talking about emotions in it right now when i was gonna until you decided it was in a second i was gonna say to amend it almost what mr smith was saying is because commissioner burns was saying it to send something to the administration and put together a committee that finally if

they're really serious about doing this and getting around to sign get everybody together all city officials counselors because they're gonna have to change your ordinances and everything else it's not snap your fingers and gets done i see the audience committing me and it takes forever to get a simple thing done and uh i make that emotion to do that work with them to finally get something together

not just for carnivals for all of fairgrounds so they can do i go to all these different communities all these fares and everything i love that agricultural fairgrounds and it is it's just saying that we don't have this because we used to have four celebrates america and they miraculously they didn't make money on it but it used to be free and we had everything and then they didn't make

they started charging up to ten dollars but nobody made money on that well the business i don't understand that

so if you want a table i would suggest this if you want the table to get table because there's not enough time to get this no no that's what i'm saying so i can probably get a different date to push it down i wouldn't push any dates and to go with this guy's version date after day after date until you have somebody to move this along carlos i don't think you're going to have the

votes to put it in any city parks i think what the when i'm getting from the rest of these is they want the city to come up and everybody to work together and come up with a solution for this so i don't think even if you buy pushing dates and that i don't think you know it's just to have time to have that conversation the conversation's been taken 20 years you think it's gonna

happen in 20 days yeah no i'm being honest i'm being honest i agree i always speak the truth do you know that it hasn't happened in 20 years you think it's gonna happen in 20 days you guys are the people and you got a hold people accountable and say listen we want this get all year round neighborhoods together and say they want something a place to have this stuff

so well you can't just let the the items no no we can't make something so commissioner withdraw his i don't know if he wants to put it back or not commissioner rigo or somebody else i have no idea i would say is if you want to make that motion to deny and then put together that a letter goes to the administration counselors and everything to say that no i don't i think you need to just send

a letter to the administration you would like to see a committee put together rather than have it always come back to the park board to the committee comprised of the administration state representatives uh counselor whatever you know someone from each part of the city and state government that might be able to help move this and find a set place that's not in a park that's not going to

because we're talking about making a fairground we're not going to put a fair ground in kennedy park for the people of south maine and all those names for the thing to always go there by establishing this fairground in we used to have it out on airport road we had carnivals we had circuses i i know i'm dating myself but that's where they were they were off the beaten path so they were not in someone's

neighborhood with all the uh hullabaloo happening every night and i think that's what we need to do again it's not going to be in the neighborhood it's going to be off of the beaten path a little bit so that it's not going to disturb because if you do establish a fair ground it will be constantly used we we know that and that's a good thing we're not saying it's a bad thing but it

would be a bad thing in someone else's backyard so we need to take it a little bit off the beaten path so if no matter what you do you have to do something with this request tonight and i don't believe that we're going to come to any decision for a july 5th carnival or an august 5th carnival or a september 5th carnival i think what you're going to have to try and do is establish

a piece of property again we can't let it fall through the cracks again but the people that are going to stop that carlos from falling through the cracks are people like yourself that got to keep on these individuals wherever they may be because this board is not going to be we're going to be able to send the letter but it doesn't mean that we're going to get an immediate response we can do that in support of

ourselves so that the the blame gets taken from the board or the responsibility gets taken from the board and gets put city-wide statewide and like amber said people that are writing letters can now participate in finding the solution rather than just write a letter and we make one more suggestion uh because it's been brought up since last year and then they brought it against this year

council gadine wants a joint meeting between the city council and this park board to go in front of the city council to discuss the future of our parks what we want done and everything why can't we have a joint meeting with them and bring up this issue right there with the city council and everybody can attend the public and everything yeah i would suggest send a letter to them in

the administration let's have a joint meeting and let's finally get this either they don't want to have it in the city at all or let's get get a plan together and do something because it's just going to keep coming back every year and then no matter who's on this board they're always the bad guy i'm the only constant so you have your title already so nobody's going to steal that from you did i get a motion

yes let's see if we can set something up as a joint meeting or something with the administration and counselors and everybody and finally get this together i've been the bad guy before motion and i and we send a letter from the board to the administration or or the council or whoever to uh like you just said set up some kind of joint meeting or something i'll second that okay uh commissioner sylvia made that motion

seconded by commissioner farias all in favor say hi hi you guys have a nice summer thank you all right item l see you next year updated information uh so i know commissioner rigo was asking before item l ah in the uh the thing because when i first got this email i got a little nervous and then i read it quick when it said coyotes that father tavasso smack i'm like coyotes i'm like what

but it's the decoys that we bought for the gee so the i believe she's uh the secretary or something there that they take them in in and out every day and they're just showing that they put them on the field for us to make a motion to place on kyle second m update dog pop dispensers at bicentennial park the wall street been done yeah it's already been replaced tonight but the thing is that uh

i know it's been brought up at other meetings and everything if you guys can see what's happening we have to put these in here and then they're getting vandalized because people are just breaking them in to steal all the dog bags and that so just uh yeah there are a lot of them yeah so i'm saying is she's using her budget to do these and then after they're getting destroyed so i know

the veterans were asking for more to be placed around my thing is i know they have cameras down there at bicentenally i think they need to try to see if maybe put them in these dog pot things in a visible area where the cameras can pick up and hopefully we can catch somebody that's vandalizing it yeah i don't think we should be spending any more money i'm i was a dog owner and i always had

bags on me if i forgot one like it happens every now and then but if you're taking your dog for a walk you know you're gonna need to bring it back even hung bags on my fence so that they could use them if they needed them they're going to go they're going to go let's get all over it um yeah do i just make a motion place on file yeah make motion plays on fire you can

is that too handy grab it and just turn it inside out that's it but anyways uh commissioner requires any commissioner request please no joey my thing is just to wish everybody a happy fourth of july because we won't see each other until the life saves thank you oh really yes july 6th july july 6th falls on wednesday yes july 4th is monday yes so that's the first blockbuster of july

26th it means you better put your agenda together even earlier uh i wish the best for mrs smith and mr demi for the firework celebration yeah thanks yes yes i will be down at the waterfront i'll be there i'll get to see him for my new house really yeah all right uh any other commissioner requires new everybody have a safe summer and commission uh permission to adjourn wait uh i make a motion to adjourn it's like

second by commissioner sylvia all in favor say hi yeah