The Special Charter Review Committee convened on Monday, June 12th, 2023, at 5:00 p.m. at One Government Center in Fall River, Massachusetts. The meeting began with Vice Chair Dan Robillard reciting the open meeting law statement, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Committee members present included Rena Brown (Chair), Laura Washington, Tim Campos, Kathy Namkovich, and Tracy Almeida. The minutes from the May 22nd, 2023 meeting were unanimously approved.
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special Charter review committee meeting today is Monday June 12th it's 2023 5 p.m we are located in the hearing room at one government center Fall River Mass before we start our vice chair Dan robillard will will recite the open meeting law statement refluence of the open meeting wanted any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium
0:26attendees will therefore advise that such recordings or Transmissions are being made with a perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible thank you Mr robillard can we have the Pledge of Allegiance please
0:46stand up and just the other hand stand up put this in right there I pledge allegiance yeah one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you attendance please starting from my right then Rubble on problem Rena Brown Laura Washington Tim Campos Kathy namkovich Tracy Almeida thank you everybody not in attendance uh Alan Rumsey John Mitchell had a prior committee meeting Mimi Larrabee right
1:35public comment seeing none moving on to the May 22nd 2023 minutes which were first emotional acceptance I'm on Washington all in favor all in favor aye anybody opposed seeing none thank you the only thing on the agenda is a discussion and review of the charter in the sections anybody wants to bring up that's why it's so big so um uh can we go to the election section three radical seven absolutely
2:17would you like to read it uh no someone read the uh section please oh if you could identify yourself one particular one particular section yeah the signature requirements could you read that section please Kathy seven section seven yeah I I don't have the exactly oh for Section seven to preliminary election procedures yeah signature requirements the number of signatures of do you want me to read
2:55it as it stands read it as it stands please the number of signatures of Voters required to place the name of a candidate on the official ballot to be used at a preliminary election shall be as follows for the office of Mayor now less than 300 certified signatures for counselor at large or School Committee Member now less than 150 certified signatures signatures of Voters should be made on a form prescribed at the
3:20board of election Commissioners and shall be made available not earlier than April 2nd in each preliminary election year and those forms shall be submitted to the board of election Commissioners for certification of the names honored before the 14th day preceding the date fixed for a submission to the city clerk the form shall be submitted to the city clerk honor before five o'clock in the
3:39afternoon on the 45th day prior to the declared date of the preliminary election an individual may appear on ballot for only one office at any preliminary regular or special city election thank you Kathy I'm making a motion that we reduce the number of signages for the office of math from 300 down to 50 for the office of city council from 150 down to 50 and from the school committee from
4:09150 down to 50. uh I'll second that motion about what access should be easy campaigning and putting your message out before voters is the real work of a campaign and voters get to decide uh once the campaign is rolling whether or not you're qualified and worthy of their vote and worthy of being elected those signature requirements should have never been increased to these numbers they
4:42were at 50 for every municipal office prior to the adoption of this Abomination China that we're dealing with right now uh all of this stuff was done at the the behalf the majority of it was done at the behalf of the consultant and uh uh one uh got Duke by the Consultants I won't be duped it's a disaster we are having a 50 and we ought to open up elections to with many people
5:20and want to run if I get about how many ballots you're gonna have but yeah the price of democracy is not free but democracy is what makes this country great the more candidates we have the better it is that's it I yield we had a prior meeting we had already voted on that yeah both at 100 and we had discussed this we had discussed that because when uh attorney Ramsey was here we were trying
5:59to keep that in line with how it stand all at the state level correct yep so I mean we all voted for that so are we looking to change that yeah I believe there was already a motion there was to reduce it did not accept that that's correct there's a motion made and it was seconded any further discussion we're going to do a roll call vote please all in favor
6:30go ahead we'll stop from the right yes no yes yes no no no motion fails does not pass it that's fine okay so that leaves though I just went for a Clarity it leaves it at 100 as we would recommend okay correct I agree that 300 and 150 are way too high but I thought 100 was in the middle of the road approach after just after the discussion we had
7:01at the last meeting where this was this was vote on any other sections that anybody wants to revisit we go to um article 3 in the original Channel I don't know what page it is on the coffee this is 32 or 33. it's the section where the mayor is a ex-officio member of every Borden Commission in the city of Fall River section 3-2 this this item was tabled at the meeting
7:37that I will uh chair at because chair Brown was absent what section is this it's section 3-2 3-2 it's the last uh last summer executive powers you want me to read the whole section or just the no section 3-2 uh if you could read the whole section please Kathy the executive powers of the city shall be vested solely in the mayor and may be exercised by the mayor either personally or
8:03through the several City agencies under the general Supervision in control of the office of the mayor the mayor shall cause the mayor shall cause the Charter's ordinances in other orders of the city government to be enforced and shall cause a record of all official acts of the executive branch of the city government to be kept the mayor shall exercise General supervision and Direction overall City agencies unless
8:25otherwise provided by law or by this Charter each City agency shall furnish to the mayor upon request any information or materials the mayor May request rest and as the needs of the office of Mayor and the interests of the city may require the mayor shall supervise direct and be responsible for the efficient administration of All City activities and functions placed under the control of the mayor by law or by
8:46this Charter the mayor shall be responsible for the efficient and effective coordination of the activities of all agencies of the city and may call together for consultation conference and discussion at reasonable times all persons serving the city whether elected directly by the voters chosen by persons elected directly by the voters or otherwise the mayor shall be by virtue of the office a member of each appointed
9:08multiple member body of the city the mayor may as such ex-officio member attend a meeting of an appointed multiple member body of the city at any time including executive sessions so-called to participate in the discussions of that body but shall not have the right to vote and that's the section I think this is uh this is a lousy provision because the mayor let me first say as I
9:37said six times before this was table my my method for doing this is not direct that I may have Paul Coogan I imagine for doing this is because I I think there should be a separation of of power to some degree although Boards of commissions are not technically legislative bodies they're not elected I I think it's somewhat of a conflict a marriage an appointing authority I don't believe that any man uh if some if some
10:15member of a border commission wants to invite the man to attend ask questions uh if he wants to sit in the audience and within to every board meeting that's fine I don't think any man should be an ex-official member of any board I think that a mayor appoints a majority of the members of most boards I think uh to me having a man have an ex-official member gives the mayor even more power I really
10:54believe that uh I understand he's not a voting member but he appoints the members he sits there right here uh you know and the thing it's a I guess technically he would be a member of this body if he chose to show up uh so I I just think that a man should not be an ex-official member of every single Warden commission within the city of Fall River when under our plan of
11:28government my mayor is already the appointing authority Miss Washington I respectfully have to disagree with you Dan I actually thought about this quite a lot and I went back and forth that first and I think looking at the city as a CEO model I think the CEO of the city should um be the S official should know exactly what's going on I think what's helping not having all that power whichever
11:55mayor is in place is that they're not a voting member but I do feel that a mayor should be able to know what's going on in all branches of um committees that are going on and uh you know if there was a committee that didn't like the sitting mayor at that time and wanted to go into executive session or wanted to to do things um and he wasn't privy to the stuff going on on
12:19committees under his authority I think that um for me it's just uh sits well the way that it's worded but I'm just one person um so I and the fact that the Safeguard in there is that he's not that's just where I feel I feel yeah I think this is the same discussion we had when this was brought up before I think the key there is that he does not have a
12:43right to vote but I I like the example that Laura gave when you think about this in terms of him being a CEO and yes he does appoint the people but that doesn't necessarily always mean that they're going to have the same opinion or that you know something's not I think it I think we need to keep this as is I agree I agree yeah I'm uh I I like the mayor being able to pop in
13:09or out from any I I think I think it has value it makes a more effective leadership if your ears are available uh to any committee or board whether he appoints the people or not and I think the check of balance there is he can't vote you know yeah if he could vote right right because then he would have influence it says he can participate in the discussions
13:40you know good for him if he has the time to go to every single board meeting I mean the other thing is um there's the time factor and you know even if he has an opinion um he would be able to express his opinion like any ex-officio member but that doesn't mean he would influence the vote because he can't vote right um but this doesn't stop him from attending he can attend any public
14:07meeting that he chooses to attend uh well he wouldn't be able to go on Executive sessions though I I don't except for the Zone I don't even know if the zoning board of appeals goes on Executive sessions uh most boards that I'm aware of I won't say everyone because someone will find one but I would say the majority of boards in the city don't go in executive session the only body that I know that the city
14:41council doesn't even go an executive session they could they could they could they haven't in the last 40 years so I I mean I I could walk out of here tonight and get hit by a truck too uh the only body that I'm aware of that goes in executive session regularly is the form of a school committee so uh as a matter of fact uh there was much discussion in the original China
15:15commission about whether the man should be the chairman of the school committee and after a lot of discussion uh it was decided that he would remain as chair of the school committee but that was that I would say that was probably one of the most contentious topics of discussion in the in the original China Commission I did I don't think no motion made no I know you directed us to it Kathy Reddit
15:57we started discussing it after you made your comment so you didn't make a motion do you want to make a motion still I mean yeah motion do you want to like take that whole part out or just the section about ex-officio nope
16:19slope so the sentence the mayor shall be by virtue of the office a member of every multi-body yeah and the mayor may as an ex-official member attend oh you want to leave that in just take out ex-official members that's correct okay so there's a motion made to take out this sentence that starts the mayor shall be by virtue of the office a member of every appointed multi-member body of the city and the
16:47motion includes taking out as such ex-official member of the next sentence is there a second to that motion seeing none motion fails that's it motion that was about a second I'll get a question um dozen from there up here at the city council By Invitation Only yes yeah but that's at a point he doesn't appoint city council this Deals Only with appointed multimeters but you're right always does appear
17:25there mainly for the state of the City address which in this document is required to be given yearly yeah this deals with a point every appointed multiple member body of the city any other areas anybody want anyone did you have any other areas you want to address yes sure go ahead you know public comment opened the whole meeting a definition for extracision into the uh there was a lot of definitions sections
18:02even the um we had glyph given the clerks The Authority uh we had given them artistic license to work on the definition section so yes we can I believe that that could be added to it absolutely thank you Adam Chad yes you can just cancel that in with your artistic license uh article 6 Financial procedures this would be completely new language not anything that's in the existing Charter right now
18:46so it wouldn't go in the end be a new section however the two courts would want to put it in if it makes it in this is the finance and fiscal position but it's not anything that's in there right now what is it uh oh it's in it's a new section yep okay go ahead I I propose and move that once every 10 years the city of Fall River on the go a full forensic audit
19:16I thought there was something in the audiences already I think you better check on that uh we we have a checkbook audit basically uh Higgin sahadi did it for years did you you dropped this thank you yes sir sorry about that yeah um there's nothing in the city ordinances that talk that there is a that financial statements are ordered in everything I just want to interrupt section 6.6 independent audit
19:55city council shall annually provide for an outside audit of the books and accounts of the city to be conducted by a certified public accountant of certified public accountants which has no personal interest director and Direct in the fiscal Affair of the city or any of its officers the mayor shall annually provide to the city council funds sufficient to satisfy the estimated cost of conducting the order
20:20as presented to the mayor in writing by the city council the award of the contract to conduct the audit shall be made by the city council on a before September 15th of each year the report of the audit shall be filed in final form with the city council not later than March 1st in the year following its award within 30 days of filing the auto report the city council shall call a joint meeting with the
20:46administration and the independent auditor to discuss the findings of the independent audit at least every five years the city council shall conduct a competitive procurement process to retain those auditing services so there's one every year this is this is a total we completely different type of order what you just read is a fancy language for a checkbook audit the the ordered is just appeared before the city
21:16council within the last month it was Hagan sahadi for years there's a new firm that does it over the last three or four years and and that audit is required by state law every city in town in Massachusetts all 352 have to do an audit of their books but it's nothing more than a uh like a Reconciliation of financial statement well I beg to differ I think section 6.6 talks about an independent Financial
21:54audit and I don't want I don't particularly feel that the charter needs duplicate sections ordering an audit if you don't like the audit that they're conducting take it up at the city council in the mayor's office when they do it but there this has language that says every year there's an outside audit of the books all right well I'm telling you it's a different type of wanted but
22:17then if the if the quality of the audit isn't sufficient I have nothing to do with the quality of the audit that they're retained to provide I'm saying a forensic audit is a much different more in-depth more detailed type on it uh you're not going to get me to sit here and say that the audit that's conducted that's required by law is wrong I'm not saying that at all I'm saying a forensic audit is
22:52um much different much more detailed a very different type of water if it's not the will of the body to get it in it doesn't go in it's that simple but then it's like night and day all right it's like uh is there a motion motion for uh the city of Fall River to undergo a forensic audit of all accounts and departments every 10 years is there a second can you ask yeah
23:32no no go for it can I ask counselor Washington question I'm sure you've seen these audits yes so describe them to us so it is a much more in-depth order that he's talking about it's longer and lengthier I would say I mean I I have never seen a forensic order of a municipality but a forensic audit is a very detailed you want to know where this paper clip chop the Halloween it would be in
23:59everybody's books so um so there is an audit that happens on the books every year um they did just come before us um I think a forensic order but I don't to say what I know what a forensic audit on a municipality level is I don't know okay I would say no that's what I was going to ask I don't think it's a bad idea I don't know what the
24:20cost is are we talking about Millions I don't know what the cost of something like that would be every every 10 years I'm not a almost to an in-depth look but I don't really know what the cost is and how much regular audit in the private World in a forensic audit and a minute a forensic audit I think maybe that is a way to look at it because they're already getting independent audits there's got to be
24:44something I can tell you on a private sector yeah it costs anywhere from two to ten Grand depending on for a business yeah it's gonna be a lot so you know there's got to be something to prompts that otherwise and he had a million dollar business we did a forensic audit and it was about five grand yeah for uh one business that had a million in assets let alone all the Departments
25:11and so yeah I mean I I don't they don't and they take um they would never finish a forensic article in a year oh my God I'm not suggesting that they'd be required to finish I thought the motion was yeah which I'm not against but there's got to be some there's going to be some prompt to it you know it has to be based off something like if these audits come back
25:44and everything looks good why are we going to spend all and I understand where you're coming from but why would we spend taxpayer money why would you so you'd know where all the money is yeah but freedom information requests will get you to learn where all the money gets spent all you have to do is send that amount all you do is send them to each department head and ask for their
26:04books you can get those by a freedom of information request if you are so fortunate Madam chair to be elected to the school committee uh we will see how you feel about the budget and procedures and and and and finance methods of this city uh once you're I've requested financials and and actually discovered some funds spent that I wasn't happy with I mean they never delayed in sending them remember no I remember very
26:36clearly a grand on a trip to New York for a continuing legal ad yeah that didn't take place so you request him to get them but
26:52for 25 years uh there was a case in the 80s where uh Hagen sahadi said on the roof that they did a recreation of the city's books I'm sorry again if it's not the will of this board to get it in that's fine I lost many many votes on the first China commission my shoulders are very broad I say and do what I feel if I win a vote I win it if I don't win
27:25it I don't win it it doesn't change where I stand I'm gonna say exactly how I feel about every proposal at any time if it passes it passes if it doesn't it doesn't there's a there's an example of this question I just found online of of in Columbus Ohio from 2021 when they were calling for similar kind of audit and we were just talking about costs and this is a news Outlet so we don't know
27:54how we imagine it's credible but who knows in light of news these days but um it said the a proposed the proposed audit which is a forensic audit of would cost anywhere between 23 and 275 000 for the audit and so it was voted down multiple times and the reason why they they suggested it is because there was a 1.5 million dollar shortfall yeah there was something and so it triggered there
28:24was a trigger to it so that after the proposed audit then it became a question on the ballot right where they were trying to get this additional audit as a result of something they found from the traditional audit if we put it in the charter it's a given even if it's not necessary you know I don't I would say I think there's got to be if I mean I'm
28:46all I'm totally for it but there has to be a trigger like there's too much money and and I understand what you're saying but like and you think about the process of trying to prepare for said audits yeah like the the all the operations for the city would have to change if that was now required now you're talking about the documentation requirements for something like that would not it would
29:07the excess money that you would spend would go far beyond the actual audit because you would have to put a lot of operational pieces in play I would not be in support of spending taxpayer money on that no I'm assuming though there's something somewhere that like if city council city council requests the audit if the audit comes back with red flags I'm sure city council doesn't just like
29:29thank you for the audit and let's move on like there has to be something there that right and they also have the initiative yeah Flags come up during the audit I'm sure somewhere there's that would eventually potentially be a forensic yeah to trigger particularly if you're missing that kind of a yeah and so I kind of understand in the circumstance why they called for it and it was a one-time deal
29:55they didn't propose adding it to the Charter and they wouldn't even allow it because of the cost under those conditions these um independent audits are available on the city website too 610 public access to financial documents can correct me if I'm wrong uh but I'm gonna estimate that the current city budget is about 365 million dollars yes so I you know I I am I don't think a forensic audit is bad I
30:30think they're they're they're good I think it keeps people accountable I don't know enough on the municipality side right now but I'd like to talk to like uh the auditor and ask what's the what like it would be triggers but I I do want to respect what he's saying because I I do I I feel that we've not had a forensic audit so it would be nice to have a forensic audit uh you know to see
30:56but does that need to be in 10 years what are the costs associated with that I think I have too many questions right now to vote for it um but I I and to make it a regularized part of the of city government yeah then you can correct me if I'm wrong I don't believe we have a city on it right now a city ordered her right now no no no we don't I'm saying
31:19I have to interrupt one second um absolutely thank you so much thank you and next meeting June 26th where is that going to be right here 226 right here absolutely thank you thank you so much yep thanks everybody I think though too if you're putting it in for every 10 years does that then preclude what if we had a we did one to 10 years and then after two years after that of course
31:54there's a there's an audit that raises the red flag do they come back and say well we can't do another forensic guided until 10 years from now right like we had so many what happens when you find something can I motion to table this because I I think there are some things that we need to do a little research on between now and the next meeting because I I'm not against what you're saying I
32:14think but just like uh Miss Washington she has concerns and we have questions and we can't before I accept a motion to table I'd like to make one more Point uh the the way I'm proposing this it would be at least every 10 years now if there's an independent audit which I'm going to say and I've seen these audits come before councils for the last 20 years I don't and this is no respect to anybody
32:47but no disrespect driver but I'm just going to ask how many of you go to City Council meetings and see the process of what goes on there every two weeks okay so the way I'm looking at this I want a forensic audit at least every 10 years if there's one of these checkbook audits as I'll kindly refer to them because that's what I believe they are they're nothing more than a balance of the books
33:18to make sure that everything and what's bequeathed the audit that is done now is done because the state of Massachusetts demands that it's done the city is not doing this of its own free will every city in town in Massachusetts is required to have an audit of their books on it just like no City in town in Massachusetts except for certain Provisions like snow removal and a few other things no city or town it is
34:01you have to have a balanced budget so uh if one of these checkbook audits just like we'd all ordered our checkbooks at the end of the month if one of these audits comes back with a red flag nothing that I'm proposing uh prohibits uh any auditing firm or the city council from requesting a full for under Garden what I'm saying at a minimum every 10 years this should be done for the financial
34:40solvency and true stability to know where all our money is because I didn't look that's it I'm going to weave it right there okay I have a go ahead so would a forensic audit take place of the regular audit and if so is that legal so if every 10 years instead of a regular uh instead of a regular order that we have done as you call it the checkbook order would you in place say instead of
35:13that we would have a forensic audit instead of the checkbook and with that pass no no no no no no and I'll I'll respond as to the reason why okay the the reason why is what I said earlier on my remark that checkbook order that is done is required by the state of Massachusetts of every municipality so a forensic audit is something completely different it has nothing to do with the checkbook on it different firm that
35:50for example uh I believe it was in health care or pensions a number of years ago there was a forensic audit done just on those accounts those pots that was conducted by Ernst Young it was either in the 80s or sometime in the 90s when when Healthcare I'm not sure if it was health care or pensions but there was a forensic audit in one of those areas precipitated by the leaders of those areas absolutely
36:36original my memories hurt me right I believe you know there is serious discussions about friends regarded community I think Kathy annivers said that the forensic border would cost the city close to three million dollars now if you take care of numbers as you just said and you don't just do it for the 10th year you do it for all 10 years if you go 300 000 a year for 10 years then you get three million dollars
37:06a part of the reason that turned a lot of people off I do remember having a serious discussion I don't remember it ever coming up to evoke and I don't know I don't even remember a motion ever being made right and I don't remember the former city administrator uh Kathy Ann Rivera giving us a hard number I'm not I'm not sitting here I'm mad sitting here saying you're wrong I'm saying that's better than five years ago
37:40and as I sit here tonight I don't remember getting a from number I would be interested extremely interested to see how much it would cost uh for you uh for a Municipality of our site I I have no problem I want to table it and get some information I I'd accept the motion to staple this item yeah thank you thank you um in listening to Mr Rogue one and the other discussion I was thinking
38:20that maybe some reference to a forensic audit uh procedure in machata might be a useful thing I don't think it should be based on 10 years I think it should be in the event that there is a binding or some kind of finding yep and a petition can be filed you know we should outline that if we are going to recommend we should outline that process and who brings it who what the
38:54recommendations are because then it can we'll get might get lost in the procedure I think you should be a citizen one option is a the mayor the city council or the votes okay but there should be some requirements so in other words it's got to be in excess of yeah let's I think we got to do a little due diligence on this one but I don't think it I think there should be something added to this
39:21and if there was mention of it in the previous uh Charter meetings then obviously it's important there was definitely a lot of discussion there were no motions and to miss the venice's point I'm not disputing anything he said I do at this time as I sit here five years after that group uh coming in I don't remember being quoted Any number well if it's anything close to what you saw on that news
39:50um sorry yeah it's going to be Millions well once again the current operating budget for the city of Fall River is 365 million and Let Me Tell You Folks it doesn't go down budgets never go down they only go up you have a superintendent of schools alone that makes over two hundred thousand dollars a year and that that's one Department the head of one Department okay so rightly deserved yeah yeah
40:23exactly yeah yeah but your body underpaid yeah yeah your budget is never gonna go down but we also don't want to spend money for no reason and not to say that there is a reason for a forensic audit but there has to be a reason to have that audit right because if we're going to spend three million dollars or four million dollars based on nothing I mean there would be a lot of scrutiny on
40:47those who sat here or those who are in power at the time to say where's this money going I I assume that doesn't matter oh for sure for sure or a rough guess so
41:07you know yeah it's got to be a walk-through process about is it worth it who would ultimately who would ultimately improve would it be the city council well who does the well I think if put it in here it would be the voters that's why you have to have one when you read though Tracy that came that from the voters right but either one was needed yeah because this is
41:29not money going out to this I mean maybe maybe there's no requirement maybe there are different procedures mayor can recommend a forensic order and the city council he the council they approve it um or if it's over x amount of money then it has to be submitted to the voters right because I think if we could look at this couple of ways the mayor or citizen wants a forensic of the fire
41:54department as well so police departments like EMS or you know assessor's office whatever I think that or do you want a full City forensic audit and so I think that there's I think we just I think it's a good idea Dan I think we need to before we put it in front of the voters do our due diligence and finding out what that looks like that's cost wise we need to see how this
42:15whole new document is gonna actually get to the voters because speaking for myself I'm still on Queer as to the exact process of where this all goes when we're done my apologies it was the city council who voted not to move forward with it but it cites here that Columbus residents feel the same way so I think the city council was Voting based on their constituency that's but it wasn't actually didn't go to the
42:46ballot but it was the city council that voted on it which I guess it could go to the ballot well this will go to the ballot yeah but we got to be very careful I'm also not opposed to putting in uh triggers or or criteria that that set off well that's going to justify it being in there a whole lot more than it just I feel good about that Dan because
43:10then we're not waiting 10 years like what if something was triggered and I gotta wait 10 years for that so I think that we we could or just instead of spending money because we're gonna do a forensic order on this department in 10 years we've got to go spend more all we're doing is throwing money away good money right question for five million dollars it's three million to find five
43:36so can we make a motion can I make a motion to table this while we get some more information do you know what the what the cost of the annual audit is uh I'll call it back yeah the checkbook order I don't know off the top of my well and it's required so it's moved we have to spend that money this is extra money so the taxpayers have a right to say I mean you
44:01can't tell them we you know we can't do an independent audit because that's what we have to do but this is different now this is the voters saying okay yeah we're going to let you go spend three to four million dollars every so often to maybe find money well listen the way it stands right now everything over five million dollars is supposed to go to the voters okay but in government they have a very cutesy way
44:30of breaking things down into pieces and little pieces of the pie so it never gets to the 5 million so things don't go to voters so I it used to be when formal a former Council of John Mitchell was on the council that everything over a million that was was required to go to the voters some 10 or 15 years ago that was up from a million to five million so
45:00there's already a requirement that if if something any project over five million dollars if it's not split and spliced and broken down so it doesn't go to the voters anything over 5 million in total is supposed to go to the ballot right now it doesn't happen because they have a cutesy way of making things uh adjust so things don't go to the ballot that's an ideal well I made a motion I think I will
45:32second you know table this that uh there's a motion made the table discussion on a forensic audit which would be no language in article 6 Financial procedure there's a motion made there's been a second there's no discussion or debate once there's a motion to the table all those in favor I I opposed motion carries matter is table anyone else have any further discussion or review of any current section to the chat
46:13um I have something so I have a section from this is like our first meeting I think our second meeting um where we were consolidating a section which is section one it was section one three four and five no uh four one four one five and one six so I have it Consolidated I'm gonna put it in the next draft um and then we can go back and revisit it because I actually you know I brought
46:47it into Sharon a while ago and we just kind of left it hanging around so um I'll put that in the next video yes um basically what I did was I removed one five one six and you see that definition which it probably looks very similar to what I wrote so um you know we can have two options to just with all deference to my two colleagues I don't believe these exact
47:14changes are on the agenda so I want to be very careful okay and what we discussed yes uh the the agenda reads as I read it any discussions or modifications to the current chat or ads that exists okay well this was a modification to the current version not of his version the but I'm not sure that's on the agenda results okay well we don't have to talk about it uh the agenda's wide open yeah that's what
47:51Rena said it's wide open for discussion on any point tonight yeah I mean this is just we we were tasked with consolidating three sections of the original and we both have very similar did we did we vote on the modifications yeah that's did they pass yes so yeah if we voted on the modifications and they passed what that that's fine it'll go in the report it'll go in whatever draft you guys are
48:27making I I guess my question is how does that pertain to the current agenda the current language
48:42language did I have nothing to share anything further from any member I feel comfortable with the work that we've done here and the next meeting of our Channel Review Committee will be Monday June 26th at 5 00 PM in this hearing room can I have a motion to adjourn please there's a motion made to adjourn a second motion to adjourn is a non-debatable motion all those in favor opposed
49:24so voted this meeting is adjourned thank you all thank you