6 22 2023 Historical Commission

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thank you uh good evening everyone and uh thank you for joining us for the um Fall River historical commission's meeting uh we are meeting uh virtually via Zoom uh today is Thursday June 22nd 2023 um and The Time Is Now 6 pm uh pursuant to the open meeting law any person who may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that

such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible this meeting is as well being recorded and broadcast on Fall River government television and will be available via YouTube Once the meeting is complete may I get a roll call please Connie's Soul present Rick Mancini present Joyce roderick's present Elizabeth president and Jason

bouchardner Rocky present uh via Zoom um and we do have two open seats um so the first up on the agenda um Elizabeth distributed the minutes um from April 18th to 2023 we did we did not meet in May um has everyone had a chance to review the minutes okay excellent um make a motion that we accept the minutes as written I'll second that motion thank you all right I have a motion by Rick and a

second by Connie uh may I get a roll call vote please uh Connie yes Rick yes Joyce yes Elizabeth you're muted yes sorry thank you and Jason Bouchard naraki yes all right so that is approved um so we have uh do we have any citizen input on items that are on the agenda no one okay um so we do have a few notice of intent to demolish um and I'll just go right down most of them

um other not on the registry um the second item on the agenda is 341 uh quikishan Street um which is not listed on the registry of significant structures um item number three is 508 Smith Street it's the detached garage on the property and that is also not listed on the registry of significant structures um item number four is 350 Rochester Street which is the detached garage again not listed on the registry

um item number five 677 Meridian Street which is again not listed on the registry and item number six is 63 Water Street it's the station of the Fall River Electric Company um I have the date built as 1922 and we do have uh Robert is it Bogan yes Robert Bogan um from Borden and Remington uh here to present regarding the demolition application um Robert if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself I had just on that

but if you want a minor Insurance yeah that's okay yeah um yeah uh Robert Logan uh we own the Ironworks complex which was the former tillisa complex which was the former Firestone which was the former uh four of Ironworks and also forever print work so um the building we're talking about is uh is an old Powerhouse that has been it hasn't operated in probably almost 80 years it's been a condemned building for

almost 20 years and so we have some safety concerns uh for the existing building and so it's it's definitely a need of to be taken down okay um is the the property is quite large um is it the brick structure that's kind of um I guess it's the closest one to the state Pier I think it is yes it's a big brick building um so it it's um right on the Northeast section of the property okay

um and um are there any plans what to replace or what's being put on no no not at this time no okay um so the applicant um just so everyone knows the applicant is Seeking a waiver of the six-month demolition delay um because the building is it's not listed on the national register it is listed on the cities registry of significant structures um does anyone have any questions yeah I'd just like to uh the Fall River

uh Waterfront Cultural District uh Bob that's all your property is part of that whole District now and that's been approved by the state that's a state designated District it runs from the Commonwealth landing at the Vietnam Memorial Park uh right up to Columbia Street takes all that Waterfront Tipsy Toboggan the the uh all of that that's all part of that and then also the Boston uh

study the Boston War study was done and what I did is uh uh I I brought this up to the last evening I brought this up to the Cultural District team management meeting and uh what I'd like to do is they want to do some some research and because this was new to them it's never been brought forward to that whole district and the the they don't know where it

falls or how it falls in any of this Urban Redevelopment plan and and the Cultural District plan and the Boston walk about a walk through plan so uh what I'd like to do is maybe just establish a motion to table this uh and we'll just have to we can uh get there we're talking about a condemned building that cannot be developed it cannot be used it is a safety hazard

yep and I the fire department won't even go in it yup and you did mention that it's been that way for 20 years I'm asking that these districts who have never been notified or informed just be given a chance uh to digest what's being what's happening down there uh it's only going to improve the site it's only going to improve the view down there it's uh it's just going to make it better

yep well I I don't disagree with you I'm just I'm one vote on that team I one vote on this board what I'm asking is I'd like to establish a motion at this point the table list for uh you know would be no more than a month probably just a couple of weeks and we could uh if we had to probably hold another quick meeting but I would like to establish a

motion to table out until it gets reviewed by the Cultural District committee Rick regarding the cultural districts and because the property is industrial um they really don't have authority over anything and on the property so it's if if um if we have a tenant that wants to come in and add buildings I don't need to go for their permission I got to go to the city for a building permit and all those

kind of things so what we're doing part of the process for it to demolition permit as you know is this is um uh basically a waiver from the historical commission that this building at this point it serves no purpose so um that's this is what is required by the city so but the cultural district has no authority over any of the properties in that area it's it uh and I'm only

no one no no one has been notified no one was aware they're all in the dark they would but they don't need to be notified the city needs to be notified okay and that's the rules of the city yep the Cultural District does not have authority and they do not need to be notified nothing in there uh their bylaws do they restrict or uh control what goes on down there

well I'm one vote Bob and what I'm doing is uh if it gets shot down then that's fine but I'm one vote and what I'm doing is I'm asking that we put this on the table until it gets reviewed and we get some input from the Cultural District at this point what what will they do with it what what what's their input gonna do you can't save the building you cannot

the roof is falling in you cannot save the building it's a safety hazard I won't allow anybody to go and and inspect it because it's a dangerous building to walk in yep and it's taken as you said 20 years to get there well it's not it's not in the building get in this condition it has not been used it's it uh was probably the last operational might have been in the late 30s

uh it was part of it was built by uh American Printworks in 1918.

and uh it used to provide energy and power for the the entire site and then they shut it down and once they they got utilities from the city how long have you owned it since 2005 but we've been on site since 1973.

um in terms of the so that particular prop our building is on is it's on the city register um yep and so that was um on our uh registry of significant structures it looked like it was added in onto the registry in 2015.

um and what there hasn't been it wasn't used for storage or anything like that it can't so there was a fire on site in 1941 it was the only building standing because it's all brick concrete and it has a concrete roof so nothing uh was gonna catch fire that way so amazingly it was the only building standing okay um and I just for my own knowledge I had gone on to uh just quickly the um

the Waterfront um District Master Plan that's on the city's website just I wanted to make sure it was included um and or at least the boundary lines it is um so that's part of the urban renewal um uh District or are there plans to um down the line are there plans to develop part port or I guess redevelop part of the property or uh for us it's always going to be an industrial site it's

going to be uh we'd love to see people come in and work in Fall River as well uh forward is a good City to work and there's a lot of great companies here so uh we would if anything for a developer would be an industrial we're not I'm not interested in any um Housing Development on site so uh we would it's a 30 Acre Site we have tenants and obviously it's not a first

demolition that we've done we've done uh three different uh projects over the years since 2008. and you did say I think in your um in the request there was uh you've already started um environmental remediation on the property we've done a remediation on the bottom area yes okay the company that's still that's the doing the demolition also does remediation as well okay so is your plans just to keep it as open space

right now yes uh right now with this if you've seen it driven by it you know there's a lot of broken windows there there's a lot of it so it would just clean it up it would it would make the site a lot a safer and uh make it a lot neater um all right uh any other questions um yeah I I would just ask Mr President what's on the floor right now uh a request for

so the the applicants requesting a wave uh requesting um to waive the six-month demolition delay right and in our guidelines and our ordinance has this situation presented itself before where there's an issue of safety and um rather than um maintaining it in the condition that's been described what do we have as president uh just recently we had um the applicant from the Union Mill uh came before us

because of a smoke stack that was to be pulled down out of safety concerns the incidentally enough that property it's an exception had preservation deed restrictions on the property but the smokestack ultimately was taken down um by an emergency uh demo uh issued by the city so that's the most recent precedent that we have um and that was I think within the last six months I believe um

but aside from that I I don't know I don't know if we've had any other so the president for the city to issue guidelines the the Precedence for the city to um authorize the demolition of that building and somehow or rather is there yeah there has there has to be um you know a list of criteria that that would warrant the city issuing an emergency permit uh or a request

um so you know and the reason why we have the six month demolition delay is to have the property owners meet with us um to go over any type of um if there's any tax credits that were sought for the Redevelopment of the property or Alternatives and um and that's what the delay one of the primary reasons for the delay um and this property as is on this uh the city register it's not on the national

register um so it's just individually listed on this on the city register so it's the city of Fall River that needs to issue the guideline the demolition not right the cultural groups that are overlapping correct all right that's that's my comment no but the the uh emergency would have to be assessed and evaluated and made by the building department correct when when did this uh request come

before us because I know the agenda was updated it came in uh yesterday yesterday I wanted to get onto the meeting so um he uh Mr plugin had emailed uh or at least sorry um I got a request from Carrie um I believe it was the date what's today Thursday on Tuesday I got the request from Carrie um and I had asked uh that the applicant contact uh contact me because we had the

we had tonight's meeting coming up um so I was able because we're within the 48 hours or the sorry the 24 hours of the meeting I was able to update the agenda so regarding Rick's motion um I'm not sure how quick we wanted to demo the building but can it wait a month uh I do have a contractor lined up and to mobilize the equipment it uh they're ready to go

you know outside of you know uh obviously there are some other things we need to do for the demo permit we're working with the water departments Sewer Department uh building inspector so there's a lot of a lot of different things we're coordinating so um but we've been ready the contract is ready when we're ready um If This Were to get tabled we can we can schedule a special meeting for

for this so um because I know Rick uh you wanted to just touch base with the Waterfront just um with the committee for the water Waterfront District correct correct and what what kind of term what timeline do you need or what kind of time do you need on that I I don't know I I placed a call uh he spoke with Sandy and David today and they said well let's let's

look at it they're going to notify the team and and go from there so I have not gotten any responses this is very quick it's so it's it's it's happening you know we get notification yesterday um and you know we're running with the ball in 24 hours making a decision the building and Bob I understand I'm not being critical I'm trying to look at this from a from a a

open eyes and and look at all the circumstances and look at the the things that the cultural people are trying to do the Boston uh is it's got this Boston walkabout and through that whole district and up and you know this is the state historic commission they're doing Main Street so I just want to give them a chance so there is I don't know of us of a State Historical agency that wants to

to uh save a condent building which is what it is yeah well you might be correct there's nothing that can be done for it and again this the the Cultural District does not have authority whether or not we keep the building or not yep they're there for more for marketing I'm very aware they had a meeting last night um so we were there as well so it was you know they're doing a lot of good

things and they're out to promote the city which is great but as opposed for buildings and those kind of things this is for your committee not them my my proposal is still on the table I would like it's been by your own admission Bob it's been 20 years in this deteriorated State and now we have to react in 24 hours I I think a couple of weeks would be adequate to let the other

parties involved including the state and their historic staff to look at this and and making you know the I don't know what the outcome is I'm just making a statement that I think all parties should be involved and at least get a chance to look at it and with that I would like to see this tabled and I'm making a motion I'm only one vote Bob there's five of us here

um before we go on to the boat Rick um uh Bob can so if we were to table it for two weeks is that is that adequate is that well you're dealing with a July 4th week so you know that's um that doesn't exactly help anybody's call us you know but if you know that's what you're gonna do but right again it's this is for the four of a historic commission and it's not for any

other outside entity to deal with this is for this is for you guys because that's where I gotta get the permit it doesn't say anything the cultural uh district has it has a say in it so I'm just this is what the city permit requires and it's you guys not anybody else coming in I get that and honestly the short notice is a little unnerving for me too because I

didn't get an opportunity to even go by there because I'm not local right now and uh and so if finding out that the agenda changed yesterday and when I looked to see where it was um it was concerning to me um so I'd have to agree with Rick just to and we we're flexible as far as meeting we tend to pull together a meeting really quick especially when it's just

one item on the agenda so I I would second his motion so let's see if we can get um uh Rick if you can just so we so our committee has a chance to go through and cover our bases and at least to end um uh between next week and you know the the week after I know it is Fourth of July but the good thing about having remote meetings

is that we can you know as long as I have adequate notice I can schedule it fairly quickly um and there's there's no conflicting other meetings um so um Rick if you think like ideally before the holiday that would be good um if we can get that going and then is that all right well I I will I will speak to them and and have them uh you know respond as quickly as possible

we'll tell them about the tight restraints and constraints and uh you know I can't make any promises I'm one vote over there also I'm 14 yeah I'm one vote there you know so um Bob is that so the is how accessible is the property at least it works with me and and I'll make sure I'm available okay okay um we have 24-hour security so it's not just for people walking up the street

and come here yeah yeah I know the property wasn't accessible with the the the gate and so forth but um okay all right um so we have Emotion by Rick to table and a second by Connie to table the position of waiving the six-month demolition delay um I don't know where Joyce went but we do have a quorum um so uh may I get a motion to table uh Connie yes Rick yes Elizabeth

yes and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes uh this will be tabling item number six and we will we'll get um if we can I'll arrange with you to at least in the look of the the building and then Rick will be also reaching out to the waterfront to the committee for the Waterfront uh District um and we will get something scheduled um ideally ideally next week uh before the holiday

um you know worst case scenario is the week of Fourth of July but you know we have that Wednesday Thursday to kind of play with um so it would be a special meeting it would be um you know we can pull together an emergency meeting in this respect fairly quickly I appreciate that and thank you for your time oh my pleasure thank you very much for meeting with us thank you Bob thank you thank you

uh with uh where Joyce went but um so let's see item number seven um under correspondence um I received an email regarding uh restrictions to the property at 1658 Highland Avenue um they were looking to do a work to the exterior Newport ceiling exterior shingles columns um I did indicate the carry that the property is not listed on the registration significant structures there's no design restrictions I did I

did forward a copy of the um design guidelines to provide to the homeowner um so which I'll talk more about the design guidelines in a little bit um so there was that I actually just drove by there on my way home from work it looks like they've started work already like the back porch it was like and I believe it's all wood they're replacing the shingles with wood shingles and so forth yeah yeah

um that's good thank you um item number eight um the downtown Fall River National register historic district expansion um I did forward a copy uh in the packet of materials uh response from the Massachusetts historical commission um so they're we're not quite yet ready for public meetings um the state has responded with instead of expanding a whole entire District um as one um they're looking at two separate

districts um ideally primarily because um there are some um rather large non-contributing structures on South Main Street one of them being the courthouse and the other one is a the senior housing across the street from it so they're the state is recommending that the we create two separate downtown district tricks so that would cover most of the buildings that were included and then individually listing

um I think is the YMCA and the Elks Lodge on uh purchasing bank or purchasing yeah purchasing Bank Street um so we're I'm actually I'm meeting with the consultant next week to discuss the letter from the state and what that means going forward um so that's that now did anyone have any questions on it let me expansion no is is this part of the Boston walk is this part of the uh districting uh historic

districting of the North Main Street Properties no this is this is downtown so this is uh a standalone project that the city um in the Redevelopment Authority are spearheading um to expand the national register District primarily to allow the building owners to have access to um state and federal tax credits somehow South Main Street was completely omitted in the district's surveys in the 80s I'm not sure

how that happened but okay um and so next um just for discussion on under new business um local historic districts um so we have a few um we have the the highlands local historic district and I know in discussing uh with a few of the property owners in that neighborhood not in the 40c but budding it that there's interest in um adding their property onto the 40c um and but there's also a need to create

additional I think we have what I like to call at-risk neighborhoods um that are listed on the national register but they're not on a 46 or at least protected under the 40c um one of which being Highland Avenue from the stretch of uh Charlton Hospital up to North Park um that's one example um you know the neighborhoods around that uh Underwood Belmont Street um and there's a quite a few properties

on um Hanover Street that are on the national register but not in a 40c um so um in terms of creating new districts um I'm wondering if we can maybe think about what neighborhoods or areas that we should potentially look at the state frequently puts out applications for grants for studies I believe we could also apply for um uh the CPC uh through for CPC funding to have studies done in terms of uh what

neighborhoods are eligible for a local historic district um but it's just something to to think about what other areas of the city that we should be looking at that are on the on the for the 40c districts um and even National register for that matter um you know if it's something that if if it's a project that we can take up at this point um you know we might not want to uh

forget the South Bend also exactly and and and the fluent there's a lot of historic property up in the Flint area so yep we might want a little bit it's so funny that you mentioned the Flint because the Flint's not nothing's listed not even on the national register so forgotten child isn't it it is um and I think that's that's ripe for for getting a survey done getting uh the uh the the form B's done

you know meeting with the property owners and seeing what's going on in terms of uh you know any investment um you know plus if they're on the national register they're able to get tax credit or they're at least eligible for tax credits if they're non-profit they're eligible for CPC funding um yeah no that's that's it that's a good neighborhood and in parts of the South End too yeah okay

um so I don't know if maybe by if we could think of different neighborhoods around the city that for either local or national um like I said the state is always putting out uh applications for grants for this purpose um and I think it's you know we can should apply um and see what kind of work we can get done thank you chairman is there a deadline on that no these come out pretty regularly

um I believe there's the next one should be coming out in the fall usually in the fall and um with the um uh grants being awarded in in the winter uh sorry I say winter late winter um usually around February March well I just want to tie that in with one of the demolitions that we just um voted on and that was 341 quickashan Street that is an area that that building was the um Lebanese American

uh Association of 1911. and that's an area that had the original Lebanese Church which is now toned down and not there and um uh it occurred to me when I looked that up to consider the vote that that's an area that has a lot of history behind it and I for one would bring it up I I don't mind bringing it up to the Lebanese American society now which is the um

organization that is presently uh using that title as opposed to the one in 1911 so there is still a very strong neighborhood presence there um streets are named accordingly um I I someone would bring it up uh and I don't mind reporting that back to you where do I go with that information um that I'm not uh that I'm not sure maybe would perhaps the I mean for the building that at 341 quick Edition

well I don't know what maybe the preservation Society maybe Connie would I be able to um present that information to the preservation Society I mean you could um but that I I think what you're asking for Joyce is to talk to them and see if they want to become a 40c okay piece of property is that what you're asking yes I am the fact that oh there's so much history

there that is is being lost on a daily basis sure and that's that's very that's very good because I think that's the intent that we're ultimately trying to do here with the historic commission is to expand these areas and get more of this more of these properties protected and in the city confines but uh that we could work that out between uh the preservation society and our own okay

our own historic and with the state it looks like the state is actively pursuing a lot of this this point so between the between the the three parties we should be able to get a facility like that on board particularly when they're when and if they're willing it sounds like a no-brainer well and it's not just um the olden Street Lebanese Community it's also going to extend to the French American

and that's another area that's been lost considerably lost over the years sure thank you oh no thank you um so this is these are things that we should be talking about in other areas of the city that need attention um bring that up to the preservation society and we'll go from there um let's see oops so um on Old business um item number 10 regarding the design guidelines so those uh so it has been

posted to our website um I worked with somebody from it to actually update a bit on our website so the link is there uh for download um Carrie has printed up uh 50 copies color copies of the current I know there's some edits but she has printed up 50 copies of the corrected version um so I will be picking those up tomorrow from her at City Hall somehow we had to distribute them to the

homeowners in the 40c um not sure how we're going to do that um I will ask her tomorrow if if that's something that she can handle if a city hall can handle with Postage and things like that I'm not 100 sure um but I could Supply with only excuse me but with only 50 copies uh you've got almost that many property owners in the 40c district right and if if we start to distribute them

in my opinion an important piece of this would be to uh the CPA for instance should get some copies uh the the building department should get two or three copies the planning department uh some of the the engineering department uh and then we should get ourselves get you know get a copy when you start to whittle that down I don't know how many I can ask for more I have left

so I can ask for more she had initially printed up um about I think she printed up 75 before but the that had she did not see my email to Halt that because there were some edits and Grant grammatical Corrections that had to be made um so like I I'm happy taking a copy of that for myself just you know for example because it's just some grammatical errors um

so I I'm not sure what to do with those 75 copies to be honest um you know if we wanted to have copies of that it's most of it was a matter of the reference of the HDC not the HC um but I can ask for more copies um I want to start with the homeowners um and some of the properties too are owned by the same entity for example Deaconess has three properties

um in the 40c and then you know there's a few like um uh the Antioch School has uh two or three properties as well um am I pronouncing that right um so you know I could always ask for more copies um that's not a problem but she was able to turn around the 50 pretty pretty fast so I'm pretty happy with that um the uh what else is it Jason is it the

um printing Department that doesn't want to print more I I just don't understand this is like such a I know it should be like such a proud uh and something that they're like willing to do this this was very expensive city any money you know and it was um you know it's a big deal yeah I I I think they're because of the initial order that was accidentally printed I think that's where

they don't want to print anymore because of the other ones but I I will ask for additional if if it means I you know I can I can handle printing this is such a valuable assets um so I mean we should have some for the homeowners that's the primary that's the reason why we have them so if I ask for some more for to cover at least all the homeowners

um you know we'll go from there and then I I can handle that and then the um the copies for the respective departments um now I can ask for I can put a list together I know building needs a couple um planning um I mean even the heck even the tax assessor for that matter because um there's no way of looking on there's no way of looking on the zone

for example if it's in the 40c it's um and I and that's the other thing too I did update the map on the city website so it's easy it's more easily readable um because I couldn't read it before anyways um so yeah I'll ask for more for some more copies but we have to figure out how to distribute them to the homeowners um I'll ask Carrie if that's something that can coordinate in City Hall

um provide the addresses and they can look up the homeowners and the mailing addresses for that matter yeah to go door to door I know um I mean we did print out I think was it Connie right did you go to City Hall with a color copies of the list of addresses to to hand out to each department um I have done that and I also we've also had um we've distributed um the preservation Society has

distributed different things for the homeowners so having the you know the names and addresses but it's important to update because homes have been sold and there's different um owners okay um so and I know um Alex from the preservation Society he and I are going to be meeting with Keith as a Tebow um to talk about it um on wsar uh fairly soon we haven't scheduled a date but we will be talking

about it and then the other uh thing will be uh he was traveling so and as was I trying to figure out uh or at least coordinate to present to city council um just so they're aware that we have this tool in place um that it's you know it's on the website it's ready to go um and it's available for homeowners so I will I so tomorrow I will ask Carrie for additional copies

um and figure out how we can mail these out to homeowners I'm hoping that they're double-sided because 100 and something Pages that's uh yeah all right um so that's that on the guidelines um I did receive a um email from the homeowner at seven to ten Rock Street um the update on the side porch so she's working with and I don't I forgot to jot down the name but the last name is cultural um

so she's working with him um and she just got finally she got clearance from her insurance company uh so they will cover the full rebuild of the the porch it's taken a bit um so she's working with cultural it did ask um you know uh because there's no she has no permit on it or at least it has expired if she does um that she will need to go through

the go through us once she has that to um rebuild and so forth right she knows she has to present the plans to us yeah um and uh that's all I have for now and then um or open discussion um just so I I didn't receive a phone call today um for open discussion at least um and I received a phone call today from the homeowner at 491 High Street um we met with her before

um Mrs DeCosta uh she has um she had applied for a permit today um for shingling that she's redoing on the side of the house she's just um it's in the 40c district but she has she's replacing some shingles that had rotted on one one side of the property um and she had gotten the permit today um so she is supposed to email me a letter um indicating what she's doing

um if it's just the shingles I think she's merely just replacing what was there because they're all rotted um but I don't think that would that consider would that be something that we would need to review if she's replacing with with the same material and it's just it's repair at this point which you need to present to us I didn't think so but I wasn't sure so she would only present to us

like if she if she was replacing vinyl siding then she couldn't just replace it with vinyl siding because it's in the 40c so if she's replacing flat board or shingles with what's appropriate then if it's just repair and I mean we should still know about it yeah right I did ask her to send uh send me an email with exactly what she's doing um you know if she is she replacing wood shingle with wood shingle

um if there's it I think that's just the scope of the work there's no windows or anything like that being affected um I did indicate that we don't look at paint color or anything like that she's merely just that whole side was I guess rotted when they started uh pulling some some of the shingles off they're just completely routed right through um no water infiltration in the house which is good but you know the the

shingles have not been yeah I I would I would tend to agree with Connie as long as we get documentation as to specifically what she's doing um I I think it's yeah it's got to be a little specific and a little detailed you know we're replacing a defective rotted shingles we're going to match in kind making no changes to the to the appearance or the structure or any of the associated members you know

be specific enough so that when we drive by and we look at it and we we see some building change you know I'd like to stand on yeah I've been kind of keeping an eye on this house for a while because I I Walk This Way along with my dogs and I know I think it was last summer they started repeating the house and they painted like two sides of

it and then this summer they started up again with the other side I assume they held off on repainting the other side because of the shingle rot it looked like they had started to replace some of the shingles already she said there's a delay in getting shingles yeah so I I mean from what I've seen it looks like it's in kind the same size and shape shingles all wood

um it looks like that I guess she had gradually while they're painting the house from my understandings as she had somebody I think Gene bored us from the building department uh went by the house today because there was a complaint from a neighbor that um they were doing work without notifying the historic historical commission um so she had she went down to City Hall applied for the permit but then she

called me uh immediately after I never it was pretty close to three three or four uh pretty close to three or four o'clock um that I didn't even receive an email from Carrie at that point um but she had applied for a permit Jean told her that as long as she's keeping it the same that um just to touch base with us first um so and I indicated I said you know we'll

we'll talk about it tonight but I don't think we as long as she's keeping or replacing it in kind and it's not yeah it's just a repair at this point that um you know doesn't warrant our review so okay yes Connie I was just gonna say as long as she gives you a heads up so like anyone in the district if they just give us a heads up so that uh we're aware and

also getting the heads up in case the building department does follow us exactly okay um so yeah that was literally this afternoon and um so just uh more falls under communication I guess um so that's that's all I have do I have anything else from anyone for open discussion no okay um so we are if you need any help with any of this no any of these things that you're doing just give me a call you

know I'm kind of free so okay well thank you um so um we are um meeting next on Tuesday July 18th 2023. oh yes uh just one question what was the resolution on the Reuben's property Emerald all regarding the roof wait no not anymore Ruben Oliveira yes Oliveira yeah I'm sorry regarding the roof um yeah I can't notice it from the street um he and so he uh was questioning uh if he can raise

the back end of the roof um have a slope because there was some uh I guess as he was replacing the membrane on the existing flat portion of the roof the whole structure underneath it was completely rotted um and water had been pulling up back into the house um you know all the work that they're doing Water started pulling back up with all the rain that we had um so he

had raised it enough that you can't really see you can't see the the slope from the street um basically he was correcting a just a design flaw with with the poor truth yeah but then actually if you go if you get back you can you can see that but I I actually think it adds I think I think it's nicer than the original flat roof on there it adds a little character to

it so yeah I was just wondering what the final resolution is like right he um and he did indicate he's going to replace all the um put all replace he's going to put the um all the trim back up and the the port had little corbels um so that will be put back onto the house I believe he's um you know there's a lot of trim work that he hasn't put back on to the house

yet but you know first thing first is the shingles I haven't gone by yet to see if he started the shingles yet um I don't believe so okay well but you did take um he did Salvage the porch columns um the posts so those are literally laying out in the side yard um so those will be put back in and um yeah and he's aware that you know the railing has to go back to the original

height I've spoken to the father to Manny about that the other day also uh he was he was working on the columns he was going to put him at 36 inches and I said no I don't think so I think you better go back to the original hike and use the windowsill as a gauge showed him the other buildings uh he liked that so uh yeah okay yeah and both at least

it's a lot of work tons of work um anything else no that's it all right so I will be in contact regarding um a meeting regarding item number six uh 63 Water Street so hopefully we can get something together uh relatively quickly I will place a call uh when I get done here I'll I'll speak to Sandy and uh ask her to either pull a team meeting together or to send out a memo to pool

everyone okay and and find out what what might or might not want to be changed or done or not done um it's a pretty active committee uh and there's a lot the the the uh the thought process is that that Cultural District along the Waterfront is going to be the new downtown uh and and that seems look look like it might it might be what the proposals with the Redevelopment I think so uh

you know it's it there are going to be changes and I I think all party in my opinion at this point that's why I brought it up I think all parties that are involved in that area should at least be able to give a comment you know so that everybody it's everybody knows what's going on and everybody's had a chance to to present some comments or concerns so okay the building's been a disaster I I drove

up right up to that building yesterday uh I had I had a four o'clock meeting and at 3 30 I drove right up to the building got out and looked and I mean there might be security but they certainly weren't stopping me it was all wide open and and the building is in bad shape so it's if you've gone to the property it's the one in the far back right side

the corner closest to the you know what boneheads is you know what boneheads is the restaurant the new Primo oh yes yes anawan Street there's an entrance right there to get into that book if when you go into that area there's a parking lot on the right hand side and there's a building back there that's the building yeah there's another brick building but it's newer like I'd say 30s 40s maybe maybe even later but

same thing it's like you know broken windows it's not being used it's relative the top part is small but the base of it is quite large but I mean I'm assuming they're just going through and doing you know building by building remediation of the property um so but okay um so I'll be in contact regarding a meeting um but we are scheduled otherwise to meet next on Tuesday July 18th um yep

um so the time is 6 54 p.m uh may I get a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn I'll second all right I have a motion by Connie and a second by Rick to adjourn the meeting at 6 54 PM uh real call about please Connie Yes Rick yes Joyce yes and Elizabeth yes and Jason Bouchard and Iraqi yes all right thank you very much we'll be um I'll be in

touch okay and everyone have a good Fourth of July if we don't talk till then take care as well thank you okay thank you very much