The Committee on Public Safety convened to address ongoing noise complaints from residents concerning the Fall River Coin Operated Car Wash located at 1225 Dwelly Street. Residents, including Vanessa Arruda of 1227 Dwelly Street and landlord Michelle Costa, detailed disturbances caused by loud music, individuals congregating, and the constant noise from vacuums, particularly one situated approximately 20.4 feet from a residential property. Ms. Arruda, who had recently recovered from cancer, described the noise as a significant disruption to her recovery and daily life, stating she had called the police numerous times, though records only showed three complaints over three years. Ms. Costa reported losing two tenants due to the noise. Councilor Peltier expressed strong concerns, advocating for the car wash to be closed and chained off between 10 PM and 7 AM. John Duff, the car wash manager, stated the business has been operating for 35 years without prior complaints from neighbors, attributing the current issues to a new resident. He mentioned having already implemented measures such as shutting off change machines at 8 PM, which resulted in a loss of income, and posting 'no loud music' signs. Building Commissioner Glenn Hathaway confirmed he had spoken with the manager and observed the site, while Captain Barton Castro of the Fall River Police Department reported that officers conducted 26 business checks at various hours between June 15th and June 24th, finding no problems at those specific times. Captain Castro also noted the police department does not possess decibel meters. Assistant Corporation Council Gary Howard clarified that the city's noise ordinance prohibits noises that menace health or disturb sleep between 10 PM and 7 AM, but does not specify decibel levels. Following extensive discussion, the car wash manager voluntarily agreed to shut off the two vacuums closest to the residential property between 10 PM and 7 AM. This agreement was reached as a trial measure to alleviate the noise issues. Councilor Peltier, however, expressed skepticism, calling it a "band-aid approach." Ultimately, the committee decided to withdraw the resolution, with the understanding that if the problems persist, the matter could be revisited. The minutes from August 24, 2021, and October 20, 2021, were also accepted.
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1:09present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible we have citizens input time anyone that would like to speak if they signed up or can just come down at this moment now is anyone here want to speak for three minutes on this public safety meeting if not we'll call you down if we need you no one okay we want to item number two is the minutes from august 24 2021 motion
1:53the second third item on the agenda is minutes from the october 20th 2021 motion to accept second what you need to accept and second it on favor and thirdly fourthly we have a resolution discussion regarding complaints from residents regarding noise generated from four river coin operated car wash located at 1225 dwelling street is the owner of the premise here okay you raised your hand you want to come
2:30down and speak on this issue sir come on down we invited the manager he lives in colorado that's a long commute yeah it would be yeah gwen hathaway and lieutenant mountains
3:00so i don't think there's a need for you to i could if you'd like to but you're definitely against the place operating and the conditions operating right now all right i am totally again this this this number has got to go away all right that was mister yeah so basically do you generally have anything to say just here do you want do you want to speak on this before because he's already spoken out of the community
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3:45then no i'm not there i wish i was but can you just give your name uh john duff the uff guf john duff address uh 1225 dwelly okay all right do you want to tell us what your side of the story is if these people the complaints are not legitimate i've been there 35 years yeah speaking to microphone please 35 years never had a complaint never ever okay the 35 years i've been there they've owned it
4:13for at least 50 the oldest the wheelocks right uh this lady moved in three months ago or whatever it was she i've talked to the other tenants actually neighbors and stuff none of them got a problem right so for 35 years no one's ever complained but she's never been there for 35 years so she just moved in three months ago or whatever right and so the stuff that she's hearing and what it says is
4:34bothering her right well the thing is and i told her she come well the other day she comes 10 o'clock in the morning she's banging on my door okay so i open the door shield i want the number for the owner i go well that's not going to happen but if there's something i can help you with i thought i'd be sort of happy to help you okay so how do you plan on helping thomas what
4:51are you looking to do differently i got i got signs all over the place no loud music i mean the vacuums there's really nothing you can do they've been there for 50 years she should have thought of that before she rented the apartment i mean that there was vacuums there for 50 years i was like you know i don't know i don't know she should have thought of that that's
5:07what i'm trying to do okay what you didn't but she's well she's coming over to me and she's telling me she could have been a lawyer she wants me to move the whole car wash over 25 feet she says i know the laws okay well we're not going to get into she says she says i just want to see my question to you is very simple what are your intentions to do to satisfy some of
5:25the complaints that the neighbors have brought to the council's attention well they're the only neighbors everybody else i've talked to don't have a problem they're in the back don't have a problem the two houses across the street don't have a problem i've talked to them okay so they're the only ones complaining well she's really the only one complaining because she's the most piece so she
5:41yeah she's trying to be polite to categorize anyone she has legitimate right to complain that she feels really complained about and the city council's format here is if someone has something that's a concern in the city-wide they come before us she brought it to our attention accounts will put a new resolution to see what we can do if it was happening to you you'd probably want
5:57to do this you don't say nothing with it two little pikes are running in my car was climbing on my vacuums i'm on top of the vacuums and stuff and the parents have nowhere to be found what i'm saying and they could get run over i'm worried about these little kids yeah you know she's not going to be found so my question is again what do you plan on doing today
6:14signs up i shut the car wash the changes down at eight o'clock now so nobody can get changed to vacuum or wash the car so i'm losing money so you hit a car yep nothing's going on no well if some you know i can't stop somebody coming in if some somebody comes off the street and they're not a customer and they just want to come in and i don't know what they'll play loud
6:34music or drink or whatever they're doing you know i can't have no lighting signs up there i got them up and they've been up so we can do something about that there's nobody well i've talked to a police officer and actually he's been coming by for like a week now and i just talked to him today actually and he says he documents every time he comes in he documents it he said if you
6:51guys want to look at it you can look at it he says i've never had a problem he's i've been coming in for a dozen at least a dozen times he sits in the yard hangs around so you're saying it's closing eight o'clock no one's i shut the changes off you can't get quarters to wash your car no you can't get your car but can you still watch the
7:06car if you have your own quarters well i guess if you have your one quarters yeah you could i mean it's not a guess question it's pretty simple if you have your own quarters yeah you gotta shut down the clock well i shut the changes off and i'm losing money i got customers coming in saying hey we can't get quarters what time do you turn it back on then
7:21it's time when i come in in the morning seven o'clock in the morning okay so it starts at seven and yeah yep eight o'clock they can't get changed but if they have their own change they're fine they could get more time to what time what can they use the car wash i have since i've been there 50 35 years it's 24 hours it's always 24 hours every car wash in the city is 24 hours okay
7:40all right and vacuum as well yep my colleagues have any questions okay the owners you were saying they live in colorado do they own other car washes nope yes this is just their own one okay yeah i was gonna see if they had similar complaints at their other car wash no but i've talked to other cow cows like sonny's and they got problems too but it's the element you know i mean it's
8:02kind of tough that 24-hour surveil you know surveillance on the place thank you thank you all right michelle costa in terms of um the volume the loudness of the vacuums right do we know because i think i think the only thing we really honestly have any jurisdiction on would be if the decibels exceed the um sound ordinance in which case the the vacuums would have to be shut down at
8:31even i don't it's either nine or ten o'clock the right right the ordinance right i couldn't i couldn't i don't know the decibels now we have the uh ability to measure the decibels we'll ask the chief and we'll ask the um stathwing when it comes down but i'm sure we do i would like to think that we are able to do that yeah i can go check that out and see now i don't remember
8:56and i know i can't address this to you this would be the two complaints whether they had an issue also with the car wash itself with cars going through the car wash at night as if somebody were just to pull in yeah go to the car wash not hang out just go in wash the wash the wash itself right the wash itself don't make any noise so that one so basically i'm sorry guys
9:18so so essentially i guess their complaints are loud music people hanging around and the vacuums again which is right which is annoying right right i guess that would yeah okay with that i yield for now yeah all right do you have anything else to answer i do now okay do you want to come down the dresser now some of the days will brought up you can come here mr chairperson question counselor well i put the
9:47resolution i apologize you can speak first come on could you hold on before you take the floor i'm gonna have council pellets and file a resolution and say a few words ask a couple of questions i apologize thank you thank you uh i live at the south end as well and we did have problems there a little bit it got fixed up but uh the problem now is uh you know you can wash your car
10:1515 hours a day there's no need uh to be open at midnight you know you should close that early at the earlier time now you say you're not going to put the quarters in they'll bring their own quarters right and i suggest it to you if you close that you chain it off that'll be a better way to change this off you're saying yeah chain the chain piece of chain they're gonna wow you think it's crazy
10:43put a chain there no but i mean you can hook it up they're not going to go in private property don't come in you're close if the chain is not there they're going to go in and try to wash the cars you know the problem is it's 10 11 o'clock at night they played a boombox they don't care they'll play their music louder than the vacuum just to hear the music
11:04that's part of the problem then their friends come in you know they're swearing but if they but if they're not they're not customers excuse me
11:22no one's going to speak the council has the floor please don't do that again don't don't talk we will control the meeting only speak when you're asked to speak is that correct does that understand that because if not we will have you leave and we will solve the issue ourselves there you go thank you council peltier so i went over to talk to you he says we're putting signs here we're putting
11:39signs here right you're not gonna give them quarters anymore right all well then good but the problem's still there it's it's at ten o'clock this yeah the city ordinance from seven uh uh to ten uh uh there's no seven to ten ten or seven ten to seven ten to seven you're not supposed to be heavy equipment or anything else make a noise you do i i know you're 20 you are 24 hours
12:09but you're hurting the people around you that's that's the whole thing and to try to resolve this i know the police department did come up to chief some somebody up i'm sure they're going to be talking in a few a few minutes yep but again the people are getting aggravated uh the landlord is saying that he's losing uh tenants as well so we're just trying to get this squared away so everybody can have be happy
12:35but night shift it's no good there's no supervision there there's nobody there to watch anything going on you don't know what's going on you know you just hear the complaints and we hear the complaints so we hear the complaints from the lady and then we have the landlords come in with complaints we're not just gonna sit here and let it die we're gonna come up with a solution a resolution to make it work now you say
12:59you're gonna not put quarters in after eight well lock the doors at eight o'clock that's all you gotta do i mean you know uh or put somebody in there put somebody in the cover at night it probably not worth it to you how many people go up there and like i said you got 15 hours to wash the car you know if if one of the kids would go there say i decided listen i'm not going
13:22to go there i'm going to wash it uh at my mother's house and in the yard at 12 o'clock at night and i'm going to blast the radio and do this where do you think's gonna happen he's gonna do it too long well it's the same thing that's somebody's mother the landlord and everything else it's not right that's why i brought it up they brought it up and we gotta come out with
13:45a solution you gotta come out with a solution and that's it and and if we can do this and try to fix this up it'll be great but the chain is no big deal you think that's a big deal what the hell's chain cost nothing all the cotton ain't just putting a chain you gotta you gotta put poles on the ground you're gonna i mean it's not just put a chain
14:06over there i don't know there's no fence or nothing so you'd have to have you know try to invest a little money you've been there 40 years 50 years come to spend a little money to safeguard the people in the area that's all that's all we're trying to do what the hell is a piece of change and a few pipes you know i'll get you the price for nothing there you go i'll go
14:24to the gym there you go then all you're going to do is get the trolling chain we got a deal i said enough you know the idea i thought you were leaning towards trying to help the neighborhood but to me it's just not going to happen so we'll listen to these people and the report from the from the police department and the committee can decide what to do but uh from 10 to seven
14:49no good no good at all are you thank you counselor's time frame is 10 pm to 7 a.m right right yeah do you want to say anything come to what the council just said as far as chains go no thank you you want to add something ma'am respectfully speaking to the microphone please try to just focus on the subject yeah i'm going to focus on the subject so i never spoke with this gentleman because
15:12please talk about it give me a name and address first my name is vanessa arruda and i live at 1227 dwelling street on the first floor i moved in in june of last year he never saw or heard me before because i couldn't complain because i was bedridden because if you remember correctly from last time i said that i had a procedure done and i was in my bed until september so can you imagine
15:37listening recovering from cancer had your kidney removed and i'm bedridden with this going on all summer so yeah i'm even inside just thinking about it i'm shaking all over someone at the city council i mean someone at city hall recommended that i spoke with this gentleman and i was like uh he kind of has an attitude he doesn't know how to speak as you well very well displayed here this evening so one day
16:03seven o'clock in the morning and the music's playing there's two guys out there talking over the vacuum and he's just standing there so i went over there and i asked the two guys and then he tried to insult me and say um he didn't want to hear it it's been there for 50 years then our people have tried please please stick okay well i am sticking to it so then he had the whole car wash
16:26laughing at me okay what you hear outside because keep in mind you're outside got cars going by you got the water going you got vacuums going you got radios going and two people talking over it might not sound that grievous outside but when you're in my bedroom it's like a bomb has gone off so he says i have pictures right here 12 30 at night because i take them from my
16:51bedroom window we don't need to see it we understand but there's cosby at 12 30 at night so when he's saying that they're not he's not denying it he's saying he's not saying he wasn't there he's been sitting there talking with his friend and 6 30 and people are vacuuming so he doesn't even get out of his car to say anything to the people the first time in a year that
17:12i saw this man say to something i was in my window it was already like seven o'clock in the morning and my window was way up because i'm screaming at the top of my lungs people still can't hear me so i do like this and then somebody can see from another vacuum and i go like this and they come over so all of that's going on but i want to play something for you
17:34okay so you guys can really hear this um let me look because he says it's no big deal but it is a very big deal while she's finding that do you have anything you want to answer this i'm laying in my bed but i'm in my house laying it in my bed you can shut it off now we understand we understand the noise right so i just feel like he makes light of the subject
18:04and it is very close and his whole thing is it's grandfathered in the police ain't going to do nothing and one of my big things is okay i was called by the police upon i called the police department because a lieutenant mom she might not have been lieutenant she called me to say that they were working on this then she told me that she looked it up herself and there's only been three
18:26complaints in three years and i said that's a lie that's a lie because i know i've called probably 30 days 30 times in the la i'm sorry this is see this state that i'm in yeah i understand we try to resolve it and we don't need to be accusing people of saying things that are not true so we're going to try to get there this is true because the police called me and she told me that
18:48there hasn't been complaints lodged in and i said that's not true because i personally called then when i called to speak to the chief myself because i want to know if i'm calling why am i wasting my time is there something going on that i i'm not aware of because people police don't show up if they do three hours four hours later i don't know because i don't see them and then i was told that
19:11there was only three calls logged in three years so a lieutenant called me back and he had the same question why is there only three because when i call and i think any citizen here in fall river when they call that emergency line and it says it's recorded you feel like your complaint is being locked correct do you think that that's just there saying that and that that's not logged because that's the thing
19:36well see i didn't know that and most people you talk to don't know that so if i'm calling i want to know what what are the avenues that i have to go through to have that documented i think it's a formal complaint you have to make a formal complaint for it so if i'm calling and i'm so what do i do i go to the police station every time to make a formal
19:54complaint we'll find out what the procedure is all right thank you so much you're getting a great job thank you do you have something you want to add
20:15i'm not surprised he's not him i'm you know i understand obviously he sent the representative no which is fine i i got something to say good about him okay he keeps basically i don't have things bad about the guy okay i just want the noise to go away that's my problem i'm not against him right because no one he's working that's his job i get it and he's afraid to tell
20:34them to shut it down because he might get it yeah no no it's not an easy family right too i have respect for this guy sure but i know he looks at me different because he sees someone complaining i'm not a complainer listen i lost two tenants last year honestly i did i lost the tenant two good tenants and you know i asked them was it me it wasn't my fault
20:54no it's just the noise yeah winston okay and that's that's really doing the job on me thank you sorry i thank all of you for doing this i appreciate it and i'm sorry if i offended him but you know i'm here i want that place you know i don't want to if if they wash their car like he said they're washing their cars on a regular time the music is not going crazy i'm
21:15not against it because the car washes a business correct i'm not against that yeah no no i'm against the noise i'm already sick and tired of losing my tenants okay i i don't want to lose tenants especially good tenants today is very hard to get some good tenants okay and uh and me and going outside in my mind i can't even put a picnic table outside because the music drives you nuts so you
21:35can even put your little music if you want your kids because you're afraid what's coming out of that music song or which is swearing especially you know so a lot of times he's there a lot of times he's not here and it doesn't happen all the time you know i can just say it's happening right now honestly this week has been you know because i think the office has been
21:55around there once in a while but you know officers make a lot of money the city ain't going to pay an officer to be there watching this car wash like i said pull it yes put a chain on it i don't want to get no more hours because they got quarters they can use that machines anytime they want that vacuum is too close to that greenhouse it is it is too close it's 20
22:1521 feet and if you take the car away when they park right next to the house because it comes like 16 feet that car wash is going nate music is going at the same time and sometimes you're talking along that's what i'm against you know i've been he's he said i've been there almost well i've been there too my what's been there over forty if i was in the house
22:34years ago yes we didn't have a problem with scholars because for some reason the people years ago weren't different i'm not saying they were better than them no i'm saying it was different i guess maybe the respect was different i don't know nobody cares anymore we understand and i can't go by that it is what it is i can't go by them sorry i don't live by that that symbol we get it concentrated as a question
22:56so just to put this in perspective your issue is the noise the vacuums the loud music yes if neither one of those two existed and only the car wash existed you wouldn't have an issue with the car wash being only 24 hours a day because it doesn't make noise because it doesn't make as much when they run into the wash it's it's not as noisy you know it's not not even but
23:20a car washes years ago when the 70s were you know everybody used to go hang at the car wash right you know it was the thing but that car wash it's that noise that music is killing that and that vacuum is going yeah she he can can he get a very clear vacuum i don't know well it's too long i guess so again my point is that i was trying
23:41to make before was we do have a noise ordinance from ten as council peltier said from 10 pm to 7 a.m there's a noise ordinance in effect if the music violates the ordinance the vacuums violate the ordinance we certainly can address the noise issue yeah but during the day the noise is extremely you know it's sometimes it's extremely loud i'm talking about loud it honestly you can feel if you're in the house i
24:07lived in that house that's why when my first apartment when she lives i lived there for a minute but that was years ago it was different he knows that we never complained okay so it's i could then complain i've been doing i've been what three four years ago i've been complaining but i don't know this is how to get around because i'm uh i'm i'm not educated sorry to say but i'm not educated i'm
24:27you know what i'm saying listen we're at a different point right now we're gonna try to get ourselves i just i just this it's the noise it's got it i know he's got to go in the vacuum no he's going to go away i'm sorry i don't want to hear this music anymore i know he can't stop he's going to have a gun to stop it all right well we certainly can't shut the to shut
24:44the um vacuums off during the day i'm not saying all of them it's basically because if you look at the other car where the street is you got the street you got the house then you got still a little bit on on this property and that vacuum is away from that property but that one is right where the house is that's where you know you that's what you got to look at and like i said it
25:07can be 11 o'clock it can be one o'clock it can be two o'clock that thing turns on the lady sleeps right there and any tenants can hear it and then they put the music along right it's crazy i'm not upset with anyone but we're going to do this response i understand this contention please don't say anything she has the floor she's asking him questions that's all i want peace with everybody i'm not saying
25:27i'm not so again anybody trying to sleep at 10 p.m or later certainly should not be woken up by vacuums i agree with that and that's something that we potentially can do something about vacuums during the day there's nothing you can do about vacuums during the day i mean a car wash is a car wash that people have to be able to vacuum their cars that the noise from the boom boxes
25:50that's a separate issue i get i believe me i get and understand that very loud music can ruin your day and and create havoc especially if it's all the time i understand that you know what uh what we can or can't do about that well at least i i think we're getting to the point of the subject it's the noise let's say one thing what would happen if i shut those
26:13vacuums off at night the ones near his house would that help any uh it's a possibility we wouldn't know what would happen until you did it right well i can yeah i could do that okay shut those two backs off of there because he's saying the other ones are not no it's totally it's the ones near his house right so there's two vacuums there so if i turn it on sure okay would that be something
26:35that you that yeah i want that shut off but if it's seven o'clock in the morning if he opens at seven o'clock in the morning it's seven o'clock where he opens in the morning not even dragging barrels in at 6 30 or 6 o'clock in the morning that wakes up to people too because how many ought to hear it the only thing i want to say is that one in particular it's one stand of
26:56vacuums with two vacuums attached there's other vacuums in the place those don't bother me that one in particular vacuum is 20.4 feet from my house i measured it from attach the measurement to my screen and went all the way to the mortar the brick mortar on his thing was 20.4 feet now if you put a six foot car just let's say the car six foot now you're talking it's 15 feet that's why that music's
27:26like okay so let me ask you this so we're at a point i think we have one agreement perhaps this gentleman is willing to shut the vacuum that's causing the biggest problems down between 10 p.m and 7 a.m exactly yes are you willing to have him do that to see if that's going to help your issues and the ongoing problems yes is that something that i yes that's something but to go on even
27:51further than that because it's so close 15 feet some people i bet you in their home their walls are 15 feet apart never mind having a vacuum a vehicle and noise going because this is my bedroom in my house so when i ask customers why that vacuum in particular is the one used to the fullest is because they tell me that house provides them shade and shelter from the wind so that house
28:19there is why everybody goes to that one in particular um vacuum even though like he's got so much property they have so much property that one vacuum could potentially be moved somewhere else i understand it's grandfathering all the stuff all this stuff had not been built now especially with technology now that would never be allowed to be that close to somebody's house and you may be correct unfortunately
28:46it's one of those well true and what was that but again my question is if he's willing to do that and he does do that are you willing to give it the opportunity to see if it makes a significant difference and see if we can somehow also address the law of music yeah absolutely so the signs are on the side they need to be facing in the front like i was saying the only
29:09one time he did see me in my window and he went over and asked somebody to turn that's the only time in a whole year that i saw him do that and the people didn't turn it down okay we're gonna move this along because we only have ten minutes left and we have that we're coming down thank you councillor all right so you guys can go back to the seats you probably have to stay here for
29:24a second if you don't mind mr hatta you want to come down as to how we act you want to come down as well i'm sure you have this the licensing board members want to come down at this point you don't have to it's going to make life easy for everybody be nice i'm not blocking my chair you just slide down i just lay down okay all right i'm not sure who i want
29:55to begin with does anyone want to begin or has anyone you guys talked about this or name and address for the record please glenn hathaway one government center building commissioner for the city of fall river so you told me so i was informed by council of pelletier that there was a complaint at the car wash i have addressed it with this gentleman asking him to be considerate and if he hears any uh
30:26noise while people are vacuuming to address it and to stop it he's put signs up he has cooperated to my knowledge cooperated uh i drive by there on a regular basis i live not too far from there uh since this noise has been brought to my attention um i'm obviously monitoring it and i go by there quite frequently i haven't noticed anything but i'm not living there but if i do see it i will address it
30:55i'll be the first to call the police department i've spoken with officer chelsea um in regards to this and the police chief's office i'll let them explain what they're doing but we are monitoring it and we are addressing it thus far i'm not sure if it's helping because i'm not there on a regular basis but i'm there mr after it's the latest you've ever gone by there excuse me what's the latest you've ever gone by
31:22there at night 9 30 10 o'clock 10 o'clock due to my age i'm going home earlier but i hear you at 6.
31:36well uh gary howard assistant corporation council for the city of fall river i think i'm more here to answer questions that you may have so i'm going to let the people who really know what's going on and answer the question thank you sure i can jump in here i'm uh barton castro i'm a captain with the florida police department um seems like there's kind of two issues here one issue is the business itself
31:55for those vacuum cleaners and it seems that you might have worked out at least a solution and we'll see how that goes forward i think the other problem that we have is the patrons making noise loud radios um at inappropriate hours uh camp alone has been working on that and we put out to the uniform division to have cruisers go by there as they can to check the uh business um
32:21the property manager here has been uh cooperative he's put up some signs against lawyers trespassing so he's worked with us on that aspect of it i can tell you that from when we were notified um on june 15th until june 24th we've done 26 business checks there at various hours ranging from midnight i'm just looking at three in the morning um two in the morning seven at night eleven in the morning
32:46um three in the morning midnight again nine in the morning and we have not found the problem there at the times that we've gone by obviously we're not stationed there all the time but the sector cars in the area and the uh special operations division guys who go by there are checking in and keeping an eye on the noise level on people congregating and any other problems that might affect the quality of life for the
33:08residents over there just our curiosity do you have a meter machine with the decibel count we do not have a meter machine okay so we wouldn't have a chance of seeing what the decibel count would be if there was someone there doing very loud music while the vacuum was running it wouldn't be correct we wouldn't be able to measure that uh we did reach out to the state police my understanding is that they
33:30have a machine and the kind of um the word that i got back from the person who called them it's tens of thousands of dollars i guess for these calibrated machines and there's quite the waiting list i've heard people talking about now i don't think i've ever seen one in the place so i'm just curious that's why we had one yeah i know if you purchased one last two years
33:47no but obviously i mean if an officer is there and it's allowed that officer and it's uh disrupting the uh what he feels disrupting the community he loses your citation uh summons or arrests depending on the circumstances okay thank you thank you so mr howiak what he the gentleman has agreed i think through councillor dion to shut off one of the vacuums okay so those two coats of the house now
34:14how long do you keep them up for indefinitely well i'll keep them walk from 10 at night till 7 in the morning right okay and they'll run during the day yeah governor dave right other than that what can this council do can we create a license for car washes and regulate the hours of operation and the future are um you may be able to to do that i just don't know if
34:37this one incident uh that might be rectified by the voluntary acts of the owner would warrant legislation on uh you know i i did look quickly up the noise ordinances uh i didn't actually see anything regarding decibel readings uh with regard to our ordinances so i don't think a decibel reader would necessarily be beneficial anyway but just so you know the noise ordnance says say old noises
35:11that menace the health or interrupt or disturb the sleep of the residents between those hours um you know you're talking about um one of the gentlemen was saying something like seven o'clock in the morning and still waking up people well in the technical sense we could run our lawn mowers at that hour i mean that's the way our ordinances read um so i hate to say it is what it is but that's kind
35:33of what you said about you know dealing with what it is um i i i would always approach the problem that you are doing right now with the um cooperation from the people exactly and i think that's exactly what you're doing okay thank you very much for the chat okay mr chairperson cosmopolitan just a little bit sure you know if you're willing to uh actually maybe shut the doors at eight o'clock
36:00and we're not looking for that the place the business i mean business that's a band-aid approach that you told us you're gonna shut it off well that's what they're complaining about they're complaining about the two vaccines about everything it's about swearing yeah they're talking too loud everything they just agreed they just agreed to it though what's that they just agreed to work for me ain't gonna
36:23work it ain't gonna work this just ain't gonna work gonna be back in two months again the best thing the easiest thing put the chain up and close up ten to seven everything's all squared away that's it that's it but i mean if you want to go on and go on they're going to go on they're not happy and they're going to complain all the time so you do something right to
36:47straighten out and that's the way to do it you tell your boss are you thank you counselor so i mean it's training how we act just instructors i don't think counselor i don't think we can do anything to force them to do that right now um that's my belief if we need to see that there's a need for that in the future then you're right we'll come back they will come back
37:09we'll come back and then we'll have to see what else we can do to you know make the neighborhood um a little bit less destructive i guess so i appreciate you monitoring it i would hope that you try to stay on top of it more and and yeah you know let's see what we can do to help these people give them some relief although maybe no one's complaining last four years they're complaining now might be
37:31different people different circumstance different time um but we have to as a body make sure we can do that okay so you're going to shut off those vacuums and then we'll go from there and see what happens thank you very much appreciate it anyone here want anything i'd like to say one more thing okay um because they keep talking about the noise ordinance that's allowed noise between 7 a.m and 10 p.m i'm talking
38:01about something in the war that's a little harsher than that it goes up and it's quoted by public health it's a public health it's in the noise audience he addressed it it's it comes to that level and the police officer uses that discretion what is considered a public health with the noise at that point of view that point in time but if someone can't have a normal conversation because they're in a heightened sense of
38:23disturbance um because they're aggravated all day every day i understand people go by and at times it is quiet and i will say since police have been coming by and people notice i noticed there is a lot less traffic at the car wash which he's losing money and that's what he's doing okay and now they're basically wrote about that
38:57thank you all right thank you very much for coming appreciate everyone thank you see how it works because if we're going to table it we might so both parties agree that those vacuums can be shut down we'll see how that affects things or doesn't if things get better so with that i would make the motion to withdraw and we'll move forward and if they feel they need to bring it back at some point we're here
39:36motion has been made to give at least withdrawal and seconded on favor
39:47thank you very much for your cooperation all right