The Fall River Conservation Commission held a meeting on July 17th at 5:37 PM at Cafeteria One Government Center to discuss and revise the city's conservation bylaws, which currently rely on state standards. The primary focus was on establishing local fee structures for various applications and reviewing buffer zone regulations. Commissioners Lewis Forever, James Winsby, and John Brandt were present, along with Nina Pavo from conservation and Pamela Nickerson from Fall River TV. Jim Cusick was noted as absent. Key discussions included the potential increase of the Board of Vegetative Wetlands buffer zone from 100 to 150 feet, with members debating the balance between environmental protection and economic development. A motion to increase the buffer to 150 feet did not receive a second, and the commission decided to table this decision for further research by Dan, who will prepare a report on the implications of 100-foot versus 150-foot buffers. The bulk of the meeting was dedicated to establishing a comprehensive fee schedule for Notice of Intent (NOI), Request for Determination of Applicability (RDA), Abbreviated Notice of Resource Area Delineation (ANRAD), Certificate of Compliance (COC), after-the-fact filings, extensions of order conditions, amended order conditions, and tabling fees. Fees were differentiated for residential and commercial projects, with specific amounts set for initial filings and refilings. For example, commercial NOIs were set at $450, residential COCs at $100, and after-the-fact filings at $500. A significant discussion also revolved around implementing refiling fees for COCs to encourage timely and complete submissions, and addressing a loophole that allows occupancy permits to be issued before COC completion. The commission agreed to move forward with drafting the proposed fee structure and to revisit the buffer zone discussion at their next meeting. They also decided that funds collected from these new fees would remain within the conservation department to support training, cleanups, exhibits, and potentially fund a conservation agent. The meeting concluded with a motion to adjourn, with future meetings planned to be 60-90 minutes to manage the extensive work on the bylaws.
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welcome to the conservation meeting held at uh cafeteria one government center Fall River Mass it's July 17th 5 37 tonight's agenda is uh the bylaws uh pursuant to the open Meeting those any person who make an audio or video recording of this public meeting I may transmit the meeting through any media attendants are therefore advised us such reports or Transmissions are being made weather perceived or unperceived by
0:29those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible I'll start with roll call we'll start a year in Lewis Forever James winsby John Brandt hello everyone and we're missing tonight uh Jim Cusick on vacation we have uh Nina Pavo from conservation and Pamela Nickerson from Fall River TV um I said tonight's meeting is on the uh the bylaws for uh Fall River right now we just use the state standard bylaws we
1:06do have some handouts from uh paint structures that uh from other communities we did leave uh uh Dartmouth which is the highest sea structure so I didn't think we wanted to be anywhere close to Dartmouth and then the worksheet from uh one of the areas that shows you how to work to come up with the the amount of feed which is one thing we don't have and be important for us to put that into the bylaws
1:40I knew last time we read every uh paragraph of this I don't know if that's the knife or we just want to read paragraphs and uh ourself and then discuss them how do you feel about that um I'm going back and forth on this we eliminated a lot of meat things that a lot of things so what you see in red uh what I would say is again this is boilerplate language from nacc and
2:25you know so what I would say is we just read it through but what we need to focus is anything that you see in red bracketed those are the decisions that we need to consider you know those who think we need to consider whether it be key structures and some of the language you'll notice there are instances where it said is should this be changed should this be changed uh 10 business days and
2:46those are those are the things that needed when we went through this we felt needed to be adapted see and the rest is pretty much right because you started with this with Caitlyn two years ago right two years yeah so we've been working on this for a while so we narrow it down to we got it down it ages because once you get into regulations and you get into definitions again that's all boilerplate but really
3:18um you know comes down to enforcement fee structures and things like that yeah okay right we discussed the uh items in red uh the riverfront 200 feet first 200 feet from the mean high water mark on a river is uh the riverfront resource and therefore just your additional no additional buffer exists I think that's how did you get it fine so how did you get it in red did you do it yourself uh
3:47you've got to have one in red Jim do you not have this cup yeah right there okay that's yours oh okay let me find this is the one I have
4:12yeah these are extended resource area buffer zones how far is different somewhat from this but these are pretty much through MACC and what's the name yeah my first impression I have no uh I have no objection or any interest to make any changes to those standards keeping 200 foot Riverfront 100 foot upon thank you for salt marsh everything else in place uh unless any other members
4:47well reason to change any of it yeah me too so one of the things you need to look at so perennial stream s room in front that's 200 feet uh violence problem we just have to look at what the impact is going to be so what I did was I looked at some of the some of the places we've been doing the site some of the projects some of the developments we've been dealing with
5:07and I thought you know or houses if this was in place now you know the changes how is that going to impact how many homes would have gone in this area versus how many homes are in this area no they can build a home on the on you can build a home according to the wetlands law yes yes and a place that is a hundred percent buffer zone yeah all we're asking correct when we with
5:35the buffers on what I'm saying Reverend is that we need to you know as we go through this I I'm as a frame of reference I'm looking at some of the projects that we've dealt with because we have to look at the real world implications of changes that we make so right in other words if we note to you know you can call it a no touch Zone whatever you want if you move that from
5:5225 to 50. how would that affect that's a different issue correct it is but that's my point this is the lens through which we need to look at these things I have no problem with any of these as well but I think that we do need to it's like well I agree with you that we absolutely need to consider the implications of what we're doing and look as you put it look through the lens
6:13right my lens I drove by this week I drove by glow Mills the globe whatever that street is the globe the uh the globe I really toured the globe a little bit and boy do I wish we'd had a bigger buffer zone to you know because that stuff is so close to cook Pond and so close to the so close to Laurel Laurel Brook and uh we just couldn't uh Phillips what you're talking about Phillips
6:50I'm not you know there's a Phillip there's the development there but there's also the uh there's also the houses that were built just a little more than a hundred feet away from the from the from the brook and uh um but that's on the other side of the the mill right what I'm saying is what I am saying is it's so simple that that our job is to protect any protect the
7:20the shore and these are all shores from bad stuff happening when they're built and also there may be some restrictions as to what you could actually put in there I know I don't think there are a lot I think that's a zoning issue rather than a a conservation issue but our job is to figure is to make sure that that the that as we've done for example with the the place up on the highlands the
7:58the Old Saint Vincent's property you know we spent a lot of time making sure that the construction there was safe adequate and didn't pollute and that's that's all we're asking that's all we're asking here yeah but what would your concern be at King Phillips King Philip oh it looks well I you know it's very hard to tell my concern is that oh I know there was some State guidelines but
8:32um you know you back up that's so close to cook Pond and we had a hundred feet did we have a hundred yeah well I would have loved to have gone even farther but even 100 we still had we were in charge of the runoff all that was okay I mean so everything within the hundred I wish it were 150 or you know or whatever this what is this one 200 a hundred
9:07you'd have 50 more feet of Zoom that you could um determine what's appropriate or not yeah well that's what we hear we could discuss all of these things yeah so is that the only change people see do we want to take a vote on that in terms of if we want to make the uh Board of vegetative Wetlands 150 instead of 100 I mean I think the 100 is acceptable of all the requirements were met there
9:45we go further I mean it's still going to be the same thing you know the house that's behind the house it's a hundred is going to have the same because it's going to flow the same way to water everything I mean so I think we're protected well the thing is if you move it another 50 feet now that puts more control in this commission I think is what the Reverend saying it's not so much that
10:12you're not going to protect whatever at 100 feet is if it's not 150 feet that just that gives us more safe as to what they do with that area I think that's yeah that's what I'm saying but you know I mean my house is well within 100 right so that would be a double put you know what I'm saying you'd have no I don't understand your point but even at a
10:33hundred it's going to be enforced the same as 150.
10:42he's just trying to create the buffer a little bit you know bigger between the resource area and what we control I understand what you're saying but I think what he's saying is with that 50 foot that additional 50 foot that gives us more control over the the buffer zone you know what I mean instead of fine I know that whatever we decided to do with the buffer zone doesn't matter if it's
11:03100 150 we're going to decide what's best there but I think what he's saying is with the 15 feet it's going to look more control I understand well I mean that's you know that's what I'm getting from him okay uh so do we want to take a vote on that to uh so I'll move 150 feet okay made a motion second 10 seconds so see just so we can put this in the appropriate context okay so
11:33Coastal Dunes postal name Coastal Beach highly sensitive areas okay so they've set those at 100 again I have no problem with 150 we're going to increase our jurisdiction control but established yeah at 100 feet yeah and especially in a city like this too I mean you gotta you know you've got a it's a game where if somebody's coming to hear a business or residential you've got to let them build somewhere you know
12:17what I mean you gotta it's just you know it makes it an urban environment it makes it a little tougher too to go 150 200 feet I think why I mean you've got to let them build somewhere over and it's but they can go the they can go there's no restriction on it but now they have to come to us you know it yeah two yeah they're right next they're right next to and I guess
12:41what you're saying you want more control over these situation if they're right next to Laurel Brook this stuff goes the stuff can go right in the brook end of the Bay and out the other bay and into the ocean yeah well we still got the hundred foot well it's well right but I'm just saying that this is a this is this is really important well let's put it to a vote
13:06and if it passes it passes I wish we would I'm so I'm trying to convince you get a second
13:18why do we do this I think that perhaps this we maybe need to take some time in all of us and and do some research with this before it's an important decision and I'm not disagreeing with anyone but perhaps this is pretty big to take on right away let's maybe move on to products and fees filing deadlines those are all hanging fruit and maybe we'll all take some time to review this okay
13:46and how these how these buffer zones were established some of the researchers search on that okay and what we I think if we come in understanding that we may be able to have a better discussion with respect to this because it's a big this is probably the biggest decision we have to make yeah um and the greatest impact that we will have
14:14we have to make as a whole body and talk about either way I mean if we not talk about this today we'll talk about the next meeting I mean what's I mean what are we doing well I think it'll give everyone time I mean it's been already to research it and because we see a lot of information and research that we receive from other municipalities on fee structure but we don't know necessarily what they're
14:37doing with respect to this so it right by the way we're going to have the same kinds of issues when we talk about the 25 feet or 50 feet or how much is a no Built Well we won't because but that's a different issue but it's the same kind of issue correct and uh you know let's think about it I'm not we're not discussing that right now but it's going to come up and uh um
15:11what I'll do is I'll ask Dan to uh write up something on the 100 foot versus 150. so yeah I would like to know a little more of the science of it but you know I just worry about yeah I think at least it benefits us it doesn't change anything yeah there's no decision made it all make a better decision okay so we'll have him type up something for us that's my thing if everyone every
15:47municipality in the state realize this okay and we go to 150. are we on a disadvantage well actually yeah there's only 160 communities that have additional bylaws so most people follow this so if we're doing this and we increase it to 150 you know we can protect Common Sense conservation requests having some negative impacts economics this is a big decision okay next in red is permits and Associated fees
16:40which uh need to send us all the uh ones from New Bedford we have Westport and Swansea Swansea being the lowest uh um just a quick comment on that I do I don't have a copy though I support but uh I do favor the structure of the Westport fees can be broken down into residential commercial applications so uh but even that aside um I just had to taste it again with would be great so um
17:18I'm not against one one set of Standards or another yeah I mean we don't even have to follow those we didn't come up with something in the middle or so we can establish a baseline we can revisit this we can revisit this and if necessary after years we can always change that be structure yeah I just because we go from certificate of compliance from 250 to 175.
17:53it might be somewhere right file and it's in and it benefits them to continue to do that yes yeah I think it would be if it cost them every time they refiled yeah they might get it right the first time rather than asking for a COC warming and seating isn't completed then they come back again well maybe they should maybe it doesn't have to be the original amount but a lesser amount they may have to come
18:23in well one has extension uh conditions is 55.
18:34uh when one has 200.
18:37yeah so I mean and there's simply municipality and yeah so I mean I don't know if we want to be 200 but but again how many times John do things come before this commission over and all right we should be getting something over again that that right I mean not to pick on Highland Farms I think I'm right now right I mean what would we need to put a late filing fee in place today as well
19:04yeah you can file it consistently the Friday before in the meeting so that's where we we're going to get the deadlines and we need at least particularly with a complicated runoff you know runoff study those are 70 80 90 Pages we need time to go through them right do go through and you know particularly with like um King Philip King filter at one point they were doubling the runoff into the
19:37pond so you got to get you got to get into the you know you got to get granular with this stuff and I think that you know that we need time to through that as an option exactly exactly yeah and I think Friday before oh yeah well I know when we uh you're revised here in the bylaws it's five days before five business days has to be in the
20:04office before which is a week I mean so you need at least that it should be 10 days it should be 10 business days 10 might be a little push now Nina to get to you 10 business days well I mean how many times have they brought this for breaking out and have they brought the Stonewall right off report it's been updated how many times now three four so they
20:29they can submit something to us but if it's not appropriate it's not adequate then they resubmitted again you know get it right the first time so how would the late fee come into play here if they're gonna let's say it's Friday and well I think we should establish time to get some of these significant stormwater with stormwater studies that they're they're very detailed I think we need time as a permission
20:57words to to really sit down and go through these I don't know what I'm saying is one of the late fear they commented at Friday afternoon with whatever information they're listening and they pay the late fee does that mean that we hear it but then the next Monday or a question I mean that could be I I think you should establish a caught up cut off time correct I do too and
21:20that's that because this lately it's just not going to do any I mean it's going to create anything for the city but if you if what you're saying is there's not enough time and I I believe there isn't enough time somebody brings in on a Friday afternoon they're going to pay the latent fee and then you've got a table of the matter anyways so which is we consistently do right what
21:39I'm saying you need to cut off correct that's very important I think that's one of the most important things and I think what Chris said too another thing that I think I believe is very important is the refining fee we keep like Chris is saying you know people trying to file press COC you table it table it we should they should get a charge associated with that so I think those are things go hang a
22:02fruit that if not one time if not every time one time so they're filing for cocs because can't get an occupancy permit until they get a sequence and it costs them nothing which they're probably getting anyway but you know so get it right the first time don't come to us and and think that we're not going to go out and check the site we're not going to go out and see final warming and
22:27seating we're not going to go out to see that everything's done appropriately and we need to we need to do something to enforce that because I know I tried to be diligent and get out I know what do people get out to see some of these places and I know Dan has to get out every week just to follow up and they're not they're requesting these when they haven't obviously they haven't done
22:48they obviously know they have to comply and they know it doesn't cost them anything to keep doing it right we're getting asked Bill plans a year after the house is finished I mean yeah you know this is no they're updating their aspects so the very final fees would be first of completion and what else is well I think we need to take each one at a time so I think that for
23:11in noises I think it's just you know what do you think 10 business days prior to the meeting is that fair no but initially
23:28about 12 days but that's not 10 business so if we did 10 business days that would give actually that would be 14 14 days that's what I'm asking you because you know you know well they have 14 days to get it in to get filed but then when they do a last minute thing right unless you get charged for that they should be a fee structure 25 of the initial 500 fee and that's up to Monday
23:57I would say five days five days yeah because so it's 85 10 business days and then if they come in Monday which is not five days it's less than five days what do you expect me before right then there should be a 24 year 15 Edition you know those are the little stuff that we have to decide right because I think that I think some people try to game the system by doing
24:21that thinking that we're going to get the storm water report we're going to have 40 hours to look at it and we're not going to give it and how can you with this 75 pages with a lot of technical information right yeah but I have had you know several times when I get the information and just simply couldn't didn't have time to to digest it unfortunately I don't think I think most of the time
24:53the stuff gets cabled anyway but you don't know going into the meeting we'll see if you had feed structures you wouldn't be getting cabled because they wouldn't put it on the internet that's correct so that's my point exactly so let's look at nois for instance stop but you know eyes you can break that down so let's um well let's look at another one final FIFA so bedford's uh 200 200 westport's 175 and then
25:30Swansea is just way too low 75. okay so what do we challenge where's that yeah well the thing swansea's breaks down by categories is that different well it should be commercial residential yeah and not a non-profit foreign's broken down into two categories residential and Commercial where Swansea has uh docks um but that would fall into commercial it's not a lot of difference I mean
26:14we I mean besides the marina we haven't had anyone put docks in and last one was a City Pier well we've got my project yeah it's there but he would fall under the commercial totally I think residential and Commercial um everybody you do 175 or 200 uh it's it's a little more than West uh what's some current base fee for being for the president you get no fees we get just what the state gives us
27:04so we get uh 50 bucks yeah so we don't really have half of whatever the state right so just outside we don't do a flat fee conditions based basic site so I think it's classy would be beneficial s
27:47Bedford all these are getting from the state too right and from there
28:05we go from zero to 200 all that stuff I mean that's a big jump um just it is but been structured for residential and Commercial I don't think 200 is probably going to be for a commercial development is that job but for residential reps that's right that's right residential I mean for new house or it would be a new house yeah they want to build a shed they you know yeah yeah so
28:43um you know some somebody building a ship like that next to a resource Saturday nights plus the application fee that you have to go to City Hall um and get to the building permit so you know you're going to take that into account I think going from zero to 200 in my opinion is too much for residential yes not for not for commercial I don't think it's an issue
29:02no I don't have I don't have a problem with commercial a little bit million dollar products yeah I don't have a problem with commercial I'm saying for presidential I think that's way too high I mean if we're getting 50 bucks right now from the state you know so charge them another 1500 bucks 150 100 bucks yeah all right it's a starting point so 100 100 that's foreign dude uh
29:35do you want to take that as a vote or put commercial and take them both okay commercial 450 I I think that's reasonable well some of the projects we've looked at are massive project s yeah you also know that somebody's had some a small company that's considered a commercial that they I don't know happen to try to open something next to a resource area to build it so we're not we're asking for
30:13very little so what what's on the commercial side what are you looking at uh 450.
30:18which puts us in line correct am I correct uh other municipalities yeah would be uh tremendous to lower than uh investment because they do apply square footage so and we're doing flat fees yeah and uh swansea's uh no uh westport's 350. westport's 350. yeah but I mean commercial out there is a lot smaller than Industrial Park as you look at the most of their most of the development right in line with that yeah
31:07450. yeah for an amendment on commercials yeah yeah okay yeah yeah we need to because we a lot of our time is taken up with continued visiting these issues we can't get them off the agenda we don't know what six nine months and that's the way the refine fees come in correct I don't have I don't have a problem with those yeah I mean so is there a way to Commercial and refinement fee is
31:39350. this is that would be westport's um current structure correct filing substitution so we don't have that restructure presidency correct all right so it wants to stop anyone from amending over and over and that's why we're getting these as built plans a year after the house is constructed because technically I knew as built is is an amendment to the original right right yeah we're getting
32:10whacked with these things right I mean these big developments yeah I mean she definitely captured that fee I mean is that going to be separate from like a table t but I definitely think for for amending would that be demanding in our noi yeah conditions or we've got to take them separately yeah it's going to fall later down right Okay so let's talk about that so we're talking about nois right now residential is 100
32:43fair enough residents do you know what I mean 450s any more than we do commercial looking at the commercial developments
32:58so let's do 75 for Resident does that work 75 for residential Amendment right 75 and yeah that'd be in favor of that yeah okay because typically amendment's not going to happen that often in residential anyway immersion it's the big development I keep commercial at 350 that they have yeah all righty so on uh and rats next uh well uh I'm sorry the uh the commercial FIFA noi was what 450 450 for
33:51commercial 100 for residential well they had one and Rad's uh residentials 300 that's two and a half acres then fifty dollars per acre after that
34:13now we don't have too many lots that are two and a half acres a minimum size 5 000 square feet so unless we get out to the bordering areas um a lot of jurisdiction is home before yeah I mean once you get two and a half acres you're out where where you live okay so in this generation they're all yeah no I agree because there are some projects coming online up there yeah
34:47but let's face it if you put in a house on Two and a Half feet yeah wrong blue no sorry you know we want to keep that at 300.
35:06sorry yeah not as frequently as we do the uh nois right no we've had three years we've had three and rats this year not many yeah you're right
35:34I'll stick it to 300 and then 50 every acre after that so are we not doing the flat fee anymore because that's what we did with the noi so now on the ad run you go and buy you want a sticker just in case something comes up well I mean I think we should uniform this into either flat fee or let's do a flat fee for residential but then because how many
35:59people are going to have you know more than two or three acres when they built right so let's keep it flat feet from residential all right and then do a combined feed or a progressive fee for commercials particularly you know they get out and walk the fly we have to get out yeah and then catch a lot of things I think you know they're not following the contour lines toward people things
36:30like that which we had with the zero Innovation Way we had to go back and looked at it and dance it on this you know yeah come back and do it again so if we do a thing again I think it would require them to do a little better job of due diligence anything does that make sense yeah even a minimal fee will make them do a better job the first time so
36:51we don't have to go and walk the flags right yeah no I I think sticking with the 300 and then just eliminating the Acres flat fee would be so 300 but if it's a commercial I think we should commercial is different so they have commercial 450 and two and a half acres plus 50 after that so who's this John this is so team so like the one down industrial park on
37:29Innovation Way they would be the 450 plus they have a 9.7 so they would have paid another zero Innovation 9.7 oh nine so that would be nice so they'd pay another uh 350.
37:47another 350 so their filing would be 700 800 800 yeah what was that project that's I mean they're putting four uh uh buildings up there it's a drop in the bucket million million you know projects I mean that's a dropping bucket but again we're paying that they're gonna you know because again with that delineation Dan picked up like I picked up once again there was a dancing building yeah
38:20I've never seen a wetland is a 90 perfect uh you know handle but yeah he checked and he was filing it but again sometimes these sometimes what happens is these buildings are designed prior to them doing the doing Nation that's my concern so yeah they know their square footage they know all of their areas and they're designed so sometimes when they do their delineation they kind of cut Corners a little bit because
38:48they want the building to fit you know what I'm saying so it should be the domination firsthand of the building but then they have to redo the building so I don't I think it's 50 and 50 per yeah I think that's the reason after that I mean it's perfect I agree when an rat is 450 plus 50 per acre over I mean if you want to compare it to uh New Bedford uh they're getting uh 1500.
39:23it's called where we're not uh you know we're killing them more friendly and they have a real well they put two but they have a pretty robust Industrial Park yeah they're not lacking for commissioning vote next is uh the RDA uh looking at like 125.
40:04and that's flat regardless yeah I really think that you should keep uh which is flat you know what I mean if we're going to raise anything I'd rather do we do that she'll the people that want to live here in this city and I think that that a lot of businesses coming into the city and I'd rather see the residential offset um what's that obviously without impacting economic development but I
40:36don't think any of these fees are going to impact any Economic Development has taken place in the city I really don't know so you want a particular 125 or I think that 40 RDA split it uh just in case you know it's uh rda's determination of accessibility uh thanks but yeah you just want to do 75.
41:11no I'm talking about with respect to commercial oh um yeah they don't even have commercial I actually listed yeah they don't have it at all no probably doesn't need it
41:38so we think about businesses like Crystal Springs the house residential phones in the city and stuff like that we should talk a little just a shade loader oh sorry that's okay thank you when we think about businesses like Crystal Springs will have residential homes is that considered commercial or is it residential are they a not-for-profit computer yeah they're non-profits they're non-profit we should I mean
42:02non-profits are non-profits we should have to my opinion we should have a significant reduce right to be structured agreed you know what I mean because we have to add like another category for non-profit yeah if we have I don't know if we ever had a non-profit could we not charge them the same as residential you're not charged at all well in 14 years I've never had a non-profit uh submit anything so I mean
42:33it's not a common thing but not that it wouldn't happen I mean if we wanted to put you leave the language out and what we have is residential and Commercial and they file and there's nothing that states anything about a nonprofit how does that work right that's why the fee structure We could decide residential person give them the residential rate that's what I was thinking which is relative
43:07that's what I was that's what I was thinking myself make it easier like I said on the residential we keep it flat feet that way it's easy to file easy you know yeah because if you did put something non-profit you could start to see a lot of 501 certain things people use that stuff yeah yeah I could see it uh oh yeah yeah so that could be tough discretion that if somebody comes in and
43:36they legitimate non-profit but he can say you know we would need language to that effect but at the very least we should charge them residential with you know with the language that we can make that determination yeah okay I don't know if that's too loose or to to what to Legal fee that's the way you can feel it yeah I think I I think if it's Crystal Springs if there were people Incorporated right
44:06right like they're out in industrial park where they want to be different churches churches churches they want to do so like they're not well when they bring their paperwork in they gotta pay and then we would have to vote to refund it before we even put this or we could put the language in it's document if you want to put anything in about non-profit being exempt because then I think you're going to open yeah okay
44:34then residential fee so at least the language to give us discretion to waive fees right yeah I would say have them pay and then when they come before us and it is totally non-profit we can take a vote and we see the project it's not you know 122 is that a opinions do you have any people a lot of different departments so right
45:11give us a copy okay so that they are and then just once right well they have to they should they would have to do that it would happen yeah we did have one it was Atlanta score yeah I think there were a few in the city I know but there were others I think the excellent to have a waiver process that discretion of the committee is just that's the way to handle it yeah if you're angry
45:50right yeah I don't know quite what you said she's gonna hold on to the check until they come yeah and it comes before the commission and we have the language okay I don't think it's going to happen very often and that way we don't have to because it isn't you've got it it's the only one I can think of in three years so so let me ask you a question then the language
46:18yeah so if she's gonna hold on to the check and a non-profit comes in and it's at a discretion are we going to say yes to this one no to that one I think it depends on the project so we have someone come for us that's a non-profit putting up a 80-pod videos that obviously not but they can be interested trees but I mean you started getting into an area
46:49where okay yeah I agree I think foreign
47:02set with an appropriate paperwork and it's not a but at that point instead of being a discretion of let me just leave the feeder instead of Covenant to us if they have the appropriate paperwork why make a big deal and why why talk about it if it's the city can establish that their legit non-profit why even have that conversation and just because non-profits can form a non-profit but they can
47:27they get form a nonprofit can they for instance form an LLC under the 501c3 I don't know I don't know
47:44and make sure everything is you know correct and what it you know I believe giving them the residential fee okay it's probably the most Equitable thing to do it's less work for them it's less investigating it's more consistent and we don't have to be all they're favoring that organization over that one don't leave it to have you know just the rules it's in the language okay yeah it takes it
48:11off up but you don't have to sounds good you can do it that way they need a 501c3 designation is that what you're saying yeah it's all right but the only comment I have on that is a lot of experience thinking of you know some church and school related projects can get very large but well very few of them are on are in land that right that we we're concerned with um you know we just built
48:54you know there's several Charter Schools built they've been that I can't think of any I can't think of anything going up the Taunton River uh but any church right now is not in uh I don't see any there in the uh Wetlands well again it could be a church for instance you have there's a church on uh Northeastern Avenue that was very cool that it brought steel origins of the crest Brook that all Partners there
49:26so technically yeah if they wanted to do something here coffee before but but I think given the residential rate yeah you should try to you know minimize the complexity of things all right thanks everybody yeah these forms of some of these filings it's already you know especially for residential right so what do we want to do with the RDA then 75 for residential okay and commercial the cities look like
50:15yeah Westport doesn't have any they just have flat 175.
50:20what about remember I'm in Bedford doesn't even happen
50:33you don't understand what that is explain what an RDA thing is I don't understand
50:48to request for the determination of affordability oh yeah oh let's see if they can build yeah okay fine I thought it meant something else isn't that because that would trigger thank you thank you what did that what is it it's okay I gave initials I gave it a difference which made no sense um this it's obviously going to be a flat fee for commercial as well right because this is just the initial I mean there's nothing
51:16so it'd be flat feet from a residential philosopher yeah because there's nothing I mean this is determined yeah 125 right well so this is something that would probably they pay for it anyway right now you know no right now you don't get any of these those things just the person applying yeah they do it to the state and then we take 50 of it right it's 12.50 yeah we pay money no no no we
51:52just get half of what they pay to state right that's what I thought yeah okay so a flat fee 125 for a commercial does that bring us in line with our realities well Westport gets 125 flat so we're favoring the residential and uh keeping it even with commercial Okay so it's 125. yeah yeah I'm sorry for the unread the residential look that you guys open this episode
52:39so for the RDA we have 75 residential 125 commercial flight and then oh okay yeah and then ugly because I don't have it here and then on the Android we talked about the commercial which is 150 and then 50 per acre additional acre 450. we don't want to we don't want to assist that to Residents though and what's the base uh plot size so it's what 450 up to what I mean there's 450
53:08two and a half acres after that is fifty dollars yeah what did we put for residential on that we didn't we didn't decide okay and we don't have any existing now right so I mean the noib you did 100. because even with our fees we're still going to get 50 from the state right yes I mean so residential you want to make it 100 right that's what I'm thinking
53:45like I said I'd rather raise well at a commercial rate than to offset this is peanuts see we do have to submit this to the city council so it's going to look good right I don't think this is going to make or break the field foreign
54:07next then we have a certificate of compliance they have residential at 175.
54:17who doesn't uh this is Westport um to bedford's 250 shoot existing house they have 150.
54:32presidential they have 1800 for certificate of compliances now on the uh Westport side they have residential 175 commercial 500.
54:53I mean Pacifica compliance you know you come in here that basically means okay and that on all the you know what was asking me I don't think we should be charging them 250 like whatever it is they have on existing houses that come back for it is 150.
55:14you had a refiling or just modifying an existing models yeah adding a shirt okay I mean my thing would be to do 100 on the residential for COC but you guys can discuss it in and maybe you want more of that but well where we can where we can come back is the refine them for a COC we can you do that in dramatic things free um you know because again I look at what
55:47the properties like Highland Farms as an example of what those houses are selling sell six hundred thousand dollars six and up yeah so we're asking for an order yeah I mean I mean but I you know so I mean yeah like I said if you have a charger for the COC I measurement and it is going to be a refining thing that we hope it does not be possibility that's why we want to make it
56:15that's additional you know Revenue that you know that that you don't have to pay in the city so this gets a little more granular so they have so if we if they file a COC and the work is not complete and we table that do they have to be fine yeah I'll say so yeah to some of these they've been tabled for six months six months so for residential that can add up filing fee so
57:00again it's often not the home homes fault we can't get Engineers out there for kids so maybe 100 bucks and 25 every time they but technically they'd be fine I I I don't disagree with that so residential yeah and then for commercial that needs to be something different because we get people for lack of a better news and sharing us around every month here with obviously several projects yeah
57:29particularly Bell Rock Road and how many times have they come before this commission yeah not presenting the appropriate plans not not appropriately ready to move forward and they just sit here and then they want to present but then a week a month later we get another presentation is their right to do but again we need to kind of force people into the commercial to do that on damages that's just my thought
57:56be residential you want to do 100 yeah and then 25 you filing yeah what about commercial commercially they have 500.
58:11Westport is about 1500 Bedford Westport yeah so let's think about the processes and the Departments that are in place here in the cities yeah these involve a lot of departments involved engineering you know planning it involves um basically a lot of Human Resources go into these big projects and they're not easy projects to evaluate right I mean yeah the warehouses they're putting up the electrical space
58:47and they're big projects in their time consuming yeah say what 750 so again we need to understand what I think this I think if we're in line with what other municipalities are doing yeah but will they know well that's part of the truck that's going to be part of the presentation job they have to understand we have to do we have to do a like City analysis for people to look at
59:17so if we charge a lesson in New Bedford that's more accountable so they're charging 1500 we charge a thousand they also I think keenly understand that with Oppo money drying out things like that these are not unreasonable fees and we've been kind of giving people it's a one-time fee I mean correctly and and we've been giving people the benefit of the doubt for years and not charging
59:43them for things that really are costing this city money because this is a win-win if they do these things right the first time every time we send someone out is costing the city money sorry so but I mean it is so to get it right the first time because Dan has to go out repeatedly to these projects that do these residential to be sure that they're compliances you see them all be
1:00:05not completed papers there when you know they didn't I mean that cost the city money and I thought that where it's actually costing us sometimes for example so a thousand yeah yeah I mean I think what we have here for fees and if it's presented well to the city council like Chris is saying I don't think they've done it this is something no I mean we could not uh approve you know make sure there's no
1:00:29money coming into the city there's a thousand dollars a thousand dollars for a COC going to impact that that commercial development no I don't think so all intentionally together of course yeah I mean uh like I said we don't you know this city we don't we don't sell a product the way we the city makes money through taxes and and and service fees and and stuff like this and I think this is something
1:00:54that you know like I said most of these things are going to be one-time fees like you're saying it's not going to be an ongoing not only called Water and Sewer rate every you know whatever so I don't think they're going to have a problem with this so are we filing fee for commercial we need to discuss that because again we some of these projects were on our third strong one before
1:01:13right those are again lengthy documents that take time to read then you probably should have done the test bits right from jumpstart where you're flying there's only one test pit that actually is usable I mean that should have been done prior to the start a project what was the percentage that we um use to do the first Hawaii so the nmoi was
1:01:51yeah so we didn't do a refinement fee on that no I don't have anything Westport has a after the fact file it was a hundred we have those quite a bit uh we should charge for that because I mean uh Bedford has uh uh single homes uh 200 then they have subdivisions commercial industrial projects foreign right yeah that's 40 extension well the Westport has 200 for the extension but I don't know what would the after fact
1:02:31file and wouldn't that be understood are we still not trying to be on the Inner Line no we were talking about like we filing fee for the COC so I was just saying that they have an extension and that's what they're getting so on on the COC as for the residential it should be 25 I think we said 25 residentials 100 residential 25 and then commercial should be I think at least 400 bucks
1:03:12I mean bedford's getting it so I mean yeah yeah I said yeah they'd be interested in not submitting 400 bucks on a monthly basis and yeah I mean you know you take not to mention names but they're filing they've been since January every month and we're still Ground Zero if they had to pay correct they would be like okay enough of this I'm tired of giving you five six hours that definitely would solve the problem
1:03:45absolutely yeah if you're not ready don't come before us you know and that's what's happening they know they can buy time absolutely by some respect s yeah people will get tired and go away so new bedford's children 1500 I want to be saying foreign
1:04:17they get 400.
1:04:20well they don't really have it but they have an extension is uh tensionism well they have after the fact oh no no it's up here uh 400 but that's an extension so that's indefinite yeah yeah so they get 400 and they get 200 for the house uh single family we're getting 25. we don't presently have that fee structure and I think that we should keep it at 25 that's what we agree 25 for the residential residents
1:04:52I don't have a problem with the commercial will be saying what a thousand and 400 for the refund but that's each refund yeah because I'm thinking some of the projects that are still ongoing so on this free file how would that how would that be triggered so now when they come to us for a COC and table it is that what triggers the refund um good question so Louis yes that would that would be true
1:05:23if if we're requesting any changes to uh plans if any plans need to be changed I'll turn a degree if that needs to be because we could table it for a myriad of reasons but uh if we need to see something change to their plans um are the refile so that could be it could be a mirror just it doesn't need to be done right away maybe they wait another month before they refile and then
1:05:53submit it but to be filing fee or initially filed to make sure it's right yeah yeah but uh yeah so if if it's tabled I think more often than not that's gonna that'll be the trigger like I say to need a refiling fee but there could be that if it's table it could be for different reasons where refining thing may not be needed I just I can't think of an example
1:06:18well how about this for instance they don't have a they don't have a dep number right right yeah because then that's just uh we'll do it contingently and get us the number right so that might be an example of we wouldn't shot so but if it's substantive change or if well then we get into we can't do substantive because that gets into it so but if we have if we're requiring them
1:06:48to change the plans then that should be if they're missing a number well let's get into an easy one is it Island Farms same thing with the no grass no grass so is that a filing fee every time we file yes because they've been notified because if they know it's not going to be done okay but that's I'm just saying established what would be maybe better off let the grass
1:07:13grow and then putting it in late because nothing's going to change so they come to us they don't have the grass we say okay let's table it for the next meeting that gets automatically charged every phone you have to refile into 25 okay and then they're not going to be filed until the landscaper comes and does the grass right because that's what I want to establish so that's okay we won't see
1:07:32that Dan doesn't have to go back one six I don't have a problem with that that's yeah off the agenda until that's is that what we're doing well no we need to catalog the agenda because we need to know who they are okay we take them off the agenda then properties we don't know if they ever well do what they're supposed to do rack up if they don't so what they do is they
1:07:55wait they wait until it's done appropriate but Nina has a valid point though right then they come before so Nina hasn't done it yeah but if they came right now like in this month and next month it's not done they're not going to file so they wouldn't go on August September we'd put them back on the agenda but when you table it does it not automatically no they have to refile for the COC that's
1:08:18right but they wouldn't refile because they wouldn't need August because they know it's not correct they just need to know where these properties are yeah and so so I guess so that's what I'm saying that's something that if it's a refile and now it's at their discretion to be filed why would they be on the agenda right so right when you table something like that then there wouldn't be a table anymore
1:08:42because the table will be for you know to show up as old business on a new agenda so what would you do at that point if they don't have if they don't meet you know whatever uh the certificate compliance whatever it calls for and now you don't table it what do we say we do is it leads to withdrawal kind of thing can we have a the agenda and then on a say uh they don't
1:09:08make August meeting but keep them on uh for September like projects incompleted we just need to know because they could go on the back of our list so we would know that this hasn't come up yet yeah but what would that do if it's not if they haven't filed it it's not going to be an official agenda we'll be on the back of the agenda we need to know if they file right Paul if they filed
1:09:36and they did not meet the requirements of the COC and we don't have some way to track them they could just not file again and and they would never get this difficult compliance that would be that would never do there's a property out of me that hasn't had a coc for 22 so and he's been living there and the full family's there so the point is most people come here to
1:10:02get that COC so they you know they doing it the legit way if they want to sell the property and stuff like that I don't think if somebody's blast is not growing and then you table it and they have to be violent that they're never going to come before us to get that COC I just don't see that happening I mean one case or two okay people don't because if we put them on the agenda we
1:10:23have to re even if we put it under old business or new business we still have to read and vote on it so it's not really saving us any time well my my thing is is to get him off the agenda as quickly as possible obviously if they can do everything that um in the deserted COC they're involved in that but if they don't like we table it that now you're saying that's going
1:10:48to go ahead and Trigger that 25 refi fee okay I get that but now when we table it does that mean that they show up on on the old business see that's the problem it's going to keep piling up that's what I'm saying right so you don't want to do that because they're not going to file so that's why we need a separate so those properties need to be trashed that's
1:11:12right that's what I was saying keep a separate sheet that we agreed over like not on the agenda not on the agenda we could discuss it under new business saying like these three properties uh came before us last month uh here's where they stand one's not coming until three months because grass hasn't grown or whatever but that that refund feat is not a monthly thing no when he comes
1:11:35back in he has to refine right so we just need to keep the list of the properties that have filed for a COC right correct me if I'm wrong and that word green to the COC based on the exact conditions at the property and then we need to make sure at some point they do come before us right if they don't because technically right now they're not supposed to right they're
1:11:57not going to show up so yeah if we don't go after them they're not going to come because they're not supposed to get an occupancy permit until they have COC but yeah that never that's I mean well they can't but but the good thing is uh like see the house is finished in November well the final aluminum seating is not going to be done until April so if we keep it on the side say
1:12:21come back for your final approval you know or then we keep track of it we've sent them a letter saying you have to refile them in on that maybe follow me right yeah no that's this way we will keep track of it and we would take make a motion to send them a letter saying they have to come back expect someone to get a COC in January right for how's this finish because they can't
1:12:47do final home and seeing they can't do appropriate grading so so we would say when you get it come back and see us right and at that point you're saying it's going to be a list of those processes but then they're no longer going to be on the agenda you know they'll be on a separate list to be on a separate list so my question is how do you end that meeting
1:13:08for them to go on off the agenda do you can't just table it now can you no what we say is you need to you need to refile your certificate of compliance deleted the work yeah and then she was denied yeah when they finish the work it was just deny it there yes yeah that's what draw the night whatever it is and then that would take them off the agenda and then
1:13:31we just need to take off the agenda and then we keep a list of those properties so we can revisit those so that they can get a letter in the spring saying okay you didn't have to find fine you didn't I mean whatever it may be the reason we're at the decline all the time and then tell them once you complete these activities please file a 25 fee and Company for the commission
1:13:50so the main thing that we're trying to get is we're not going to continue to table this no no no I wouldn't ask you that that's not fair if they can't do a Jane why should they pay 25 bucks a month I think yeah how does that work when you deny it though
1:14:12and they refile for 25 bucks when they feel they can meet the um certificate the compliance yeah measures whether that be a resubmitting an act built or or doing what they need to do would there be a difference between is that going to impact them like a denial like she's saying on a phone or leave it to a drawer or something like that less they're giving them occupancy permits without cocs foreign so they don't get
1:14:42but we shouldn't give them one right unless they unless they've had can you put incomplete or is that that's okay I I think I could probably speak to it yeah more than any of uh any of us but I think the loophole is that if you submit the application for COC that is all the requirement needed you can still get accuracy permit right just by submitting right uh presently the advantage presently you can
1:15:09I thought that's that's exactly what's happening is pretty much I think that's what Sam was doing the other day every do it we Grant it anyway but who was the city uh Innovation agent oh right um can you put that in that you can not get enough which how fair is that January February and March right you can't finish final grading while we can see I get why he's doing it I ended and that but
1:15:45that but yeah they come before us they get incomplete or declined they refiled when everything's done 25 bucks and we track them down if they don't well they want to sell the house they'll come back if yeah someone checks that yeah if someone checks out that's that's yeah sooner or later David don't come back they will come up already all right so we're good with that then we'll go with the 350 already
1:16:17uh after the fact file uh New Bedford 500.
1:16:28westport's 100. well we consider we India has builts doesn't have to after the factory yeah oh yeah that should be the variance is x amount of dollars plus an additional and it should be now it should be after the fact a lot of these had a couple of after the fact was a bit high in France right so yeah if you do something on a building permit without appropriate yeah I mean
1:17:06but who puts in a pool and doesn't think you need a building permit I mean yeah right so that's trying to sneaking I mean that one I think we should be that should be Hefty 100 is I think too cheap oh absolutely I mean you do have cases where people do file after the fact that they're gentleman they're like hey I didn't know but twenty thousand dollars in a pool not a pool but there is
1:17:30um but I mean I I think most of the people most of the after effect findings that we get I needed to private tested this is people that call the city because the homeowner was not going to do it or you know somebody Drives By so they intentionally did it is what I'm saying so I mean it has to be I just think of Highland Farms how many after the facts should we have out there we've
1:17:48got pizza ovens we've got outdoor kitchens we've got pools we've got clearing 5 000 square feet of wetland for like no this you know type of thing that has to stop because a guy at the pool and the uh the deck got no fines and the guy that applied to have his shed did it the right way and he paid right and then the pavers no I think the after the fact should be a way
1:18:13to tell you know people hey you have to do this the right way if you don't it's I mean I think at least 250 should be a oh yeah
1:18:31regardless of the remediation and how many people are actually replicating the plants that were there how is it actually happening so is it typically what they're doing is they're just moving their operations off and letting it go back to the way it was is there actual replication is there actual remediation and I gotta think probably not yeah I mean I've seen some replications and I've
1:18:56seen some remediations and it's a joke you can't scratch a hole in the ground filled with water well we had uh you know I mean which is what I've seen it all over the city of they've said forget the address but it was where the uh Geico uh back in 2015 they applied it was on forever um they had uh rare salamander yeah we had to put a cease and desist and uh
1:19:28but he took out like 15 75 square feet and then he never he didn't have the money to redo it So eventually sold so but it was on the agenda forever and uh so yeah some people just don't replace it so 500 bucks is a drop oh I think that sends a warning sign to other people don't do it with the right leg go to the right Channel so I don't feel really bad about that I
1:19:55mean I've had people ask me about things not in this city but I mean it's going to make I said no you shouldn't have been doing anything anyway yeah knowing the full implications of what they're doing in a BBW I said absolutely not should you ever be done yeah I think if your neighbor tells you they got like 500 for the pizza oven the other guy's gonna think about doing this well and that's what's happening right
1:20:16you're right I Highland Farms that's what's happening all of a sudden people stop and we're starting to see you know analyze and things like that for things that we would never have seen before yeah if we hadn't kind of because one guy put an offense up in Thailand I I went out to see him and uh he goes oh what do you think about I go whatever you do yeah come to conservation first yeah don't
1:20:38don't do it and then ask for forgiveness correct correct come and make sure it's okay well now it's going to cost them 500 because we have three after the fact filings that are having fun so and once the damage is done it's done yeah exactly alrighty uh enforcement orders um
1:21:12that's another thing the enforcement orders that um enforcement if you've been telling me we've sent some projects for five enforcement orders right over three years and they continue to just do whatever they want you know you know that's got stuff yeah we know we all know the projects right so what are these some of these uh fatalities I think that's what I don't see anything for an enforcement alone
1:21:50okay the rest is legal ads and uh okay no problem thank you no I don't be sedative right so like an noi someone comes in hand the house charge residential no one's coming and saying Hey I want to force however yeah right yeah how do we collect such fun becomes a question yeah because we put the Horseman order in um there's really no legal right so this means 1262 can go on forever because I mean we
1:22:38put an enforcement order on them no fines no nothing but eventually we're going to have to step up and stop doing if you're right law enforcement now because you can put enforcement order property they remove those soul right yeah and then they bring more materials back on that's right that's the stop particularly where these things are taking place in riparian zones it's so the way it stands
1:23:05around the enforcement order enforcement letter I mean what gets uh I mean what's what are what are they doing I mean there's not really much power that we that's later on that's later on because there are if you read through this there are ways you know to go for like in some instances is 300 a day but apply with an enforcement order so I think you know what I mean that comes
1:23:34later on in this is if memory serves me through it I think that comes later on but technically if it's a fine we can't assess it like that
1:23:53yeah it would be good yeah so maybe we should correct so I think that means we need to avoid ing that might be one but we do have a we have to have quite a few enforcement orders that just gets registered these right that gets yeah so that's that impacts them well we could table that to the next meeting rdas cocs after the fact because here's the thing I think we going forward
1:24:34tonight and we believe we should probably decide on a duration for the meeting or at the time and we need to decide on what things will tackle in each meeting to make it manageable so we can come in for an hour hour and a half yeah well we have uh three things left on uh the uh fees that's a heck to believe and that's a heck of a stop yeah I mean we've got a lot accomplished
1:25:05legal ads they have 75 Westport 200
1:25:25I think it asked me more than so there was actually uh fundamental correctly um it was two meetings ago one of the nois didn't have a file number because of the green cards right that's something that uh right so you need to notify the abundance yeah so is that so the green cards as far as the green cards that's up to the person filing right now to pay for you so one thing that we threw around
1:25:56was if we paid for those if we file that they we can't do it well here's the thing I'm looking at your Bedford it says legal ad fee 250. it says he's set by local newspaper subject to market price right so a legalization is different than those yeah but they do we do have to notify them it was but it's their discretion right now well how about we don't have a
1:26:31yeah we have I mean no no no proof that we don't have a charge for legal ads right we let them continue to do that and we just okay and the green cards too that's their discretion but is that something like I said is that something that we could take on and then charge them a premium on top of the if you're doing it the green card is just to demonstrate the
1:26:59fact that they've sent the mails and registers yeah and you actually have to send yeah but then she would have to go to the Post Office have them somehow so it's a lot of work well I'm saying obviously charge your fee I think Dan is the one who threw this idea because I know there was one about the legal athletic programs yeah okay I'd say that's let them take care of them and see how they add
1:27:29yeah the way yeah as far as yeah that's you're talking what's up 75 bucks maybe 100 bucks we're gonna charge and then I mean I should try to you know get more try again you're adding more work let's work Nina's schedule and really what are we going to come out in the end she's like no more next one is extension of order conditions uh we got 55 from Westport and uh uh extension water conditions uh the
1:28:05Bedford has 200 and 400 for uh Industrial um
1:28:19I know of yeah I can't think of them so extension of order residential 50.
1:28:29Marshall 100 or 200.
1:28:38foreign
1:28:52amended order conditions uh westport's 55
1:29:06have it on the Westport I mean a new bedroom one Swansea doesn't have that either
1:29:22well once again that's where it falls on the city am I correct or like if we set an order of commitment it's up to us to to follow up on that to be sure that they're following the organized and then you know they have to appear before the commission again um again the way that one's commercial you want to break them up if they come I mean if they so it would be if they want
1:30:05to come before us to amend or someone right that Highland Farms wants to use fertilizer and it's nice to get
1:30:24so you know
1:30:35being the Bedford doesn't have it so I guess it's not one of those Big Ticket items or they'd have it on that we should just put Anonymous so residential 50.
1:30:46commercial 200 likely extension of water conditions yeah same thing basically I think the same but basically yes I mean you've been amend it by extending it I guess
1:31:07right because our last meeting was both of us like oh is that fine um
1:31:25oh yeah okay sure they went to the legal department so you know what they charge to be a matter of cost or convenience yeah because if you do we did take the time to run out to look at it and then we take it off I mean that's a project we they're the ones that are wrong oh I think we should transfer that oh yeah get get your ducks in a row
1:31:51before you come to the commission yeah students spinning them through the revolving door and they keep coming back we press the table obviously a commercial different fees you want to stick with the same uh 50 and 200.
1:32:07private table uh tabling fee for residential I'm I'm fine with 50 but for commercial
1:32:22Drive really let's get your doctor I mean it's harsh but I mean itchy ducks in a row how many times have we tabled Brayton yeah Bell Rock and these matters continue to come before us meanwhile every time it's tabled the damage is getting done I mean 500 might be excessive okay but they continue to do damage to those properties by not following enforcement orders at some point in time I'd say yeah
1:32:48we don't want to go and be uniform for the extension and Amendment because this is a total different matter now this is just wasting time we don't get paid we're volunteers again so cbh is five five six five hundred bucks
1:33:16uh how about on the fees instead of taking a vote we'll wait till we hear back from Dan on the enforcement order that would be a fine and I don't think we're in this commission as the jurisdiction that she finds okay well I think we do down the road when we get in but we don't have it presently existing okay a way to collect those things could set her up if she wants to um
1:33:49so you want to make a motion that we can move this forward to typing it up I make a motion that we we move forward to typing up top B structure right and then we'll revisit it and I think that we need to look at Future meetings because again I think Dan reinforces this is going to be a long process right and I think it's going to be more palatable if we take
1:34:14this in some chunks and set limits yeah this is really important work I mean it's you know there's a lot of things going on in the city's been taking my opinion the city's been taken advantage of a lot too long and and as a result it impacts the quality of life and Residences because everything we collect under fee stays in conservation so it's our money were not getting on for training or anything that happens
1:34:46you know I don't want it to be a profit Center that's not my goal is to be sure that that people again do their due diligence and don't continue to waste the commission's time table off the table at the table like I say we're leaving money on the table that other communities are getting not getting nothing maybe some good day okay could that money be used for other things besides training to
1:35:13yeah give back to community somehow like I don't know we don't have to stay kind of what you do with the uh well you have to stay in conservation so whatever so they have to be for conservation only right but we could use it to do a lot of different things I mean it could be cleanup or whatever I mean so that's what I'm saying so that that would be something that the money yeah
1:35:39conservation we can do an exhibit in the Discovery Center but that was my question so it doesn't necessarily have to be just for the staff or for training but we could do something like that right we could have well the staff thought it was getting volunteered volunteers yeah you want to see you want to see it be used yeah yeah absolutely yeah that's what training I mean you have to go back and
1:36:04add up one year to see what kind of figures you get right to uh I mean because technically we might make enough off of uh fees to have a conservation agent so okay so next meeting we structure now filing deadlines and um so along with that is a fee structure we've already addressed some of that but um so I think do we want to set up a time limit I don't know if we just keep
1:36:40working yeah just we want to I think we need to have a
1:36:51all day you just want to discuss the buffer zones next meeting uh we can do that that's going to be um that's a big issue I actually would like came here for that if that's possible I don't know if it'll he's happy with when he said this project is your project okay is it my project no yeah okay so but that doesn't mean no I mean if there's something yeah just send them an
1:37:20email because I'm going to email them on the reference to the 100 versus 150.
1:37:26I mean so fortunately uh DDP just did a great Workshop today you guys get the uh uh email from MACC that I do yeah follow yeah okay because they have like free luncheons well like free lunches um so let's so next time for the agenda I would just so you want to take on resource area buffers I mean we're gonna have to tackle that at certain point anyway might as well
1:38:10just get the ball rolling on that yeah now that we have someone yeah next month yeah okay yeah to it like you said this is going to be I think we need to understand it's going to be a long drawn out process we're not going to have something I mean it's going to be months and months oh this is going to be too um you know coming together and figuring out and then putting something together
1:38:31to present to it yeah so I mean we're not going to have to we don't have to rush through this because there's a lot of things that we need to okay talk about all right so can I have a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn so yes so we agree to take on buffer zone right yeah meetings should last how long uh one hour nine minutes yeah what do you think I was offering 90 minutes yeah
1:39:0590 minutes we'll never get to a gym meetings earlier sorry sorry for signing at 5 30 then 16 months okay yeah sure let's do 60 minutes and what we you know we'll continue to next meeting
1:39:32can we get a second seconded yes all right all right very good at least we've got some piece so when do we set the next