The Fall River School Committee Facilities and Operations Subcommittee met on July 26, 2022, at the Fonseca Elementary School community room. The committee discussed and voted to refer several key items to the full committee. First, they approved the referral of a proposal to upgrade the camera and card access system at Morton Middle School to a new cloud-based Verkada system, replacing an outdated, proprietary system. This upgrade, which includes over 70 cameras, is aimed for completion by the start of the school year and will serve as a model for future school upgrades. Second, the subcommittee referred an updated School Resource Officer (SRO) Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), which clarifies SRO roles and responsibilities in line with recent police reform legislation. Both referrals passed unanimously. The committee also discussed ongoing traffic concerns at Letourneau Elementary School, with plans for a public meeting on August 10th to gather community input on making Anthony Street a one-way street. Finally, a preliminary reorganization plan for the Facilities and Operations Department was presented, aiming to create more focused director roles for maintenance, custodial services, transportation, campus services, and security. This item was tabled to allow for the development of detailed job descriptions, growth potential analysis, and financial implications before being brought back for further discussion. Additionally, plans were outlined to address traffic congestion at Durfee High School for the upcoming school year, including permanent turning lanes and new traffic dispersal routes.
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good evening uh this today is tuesday july 26 2022 at the fonseca elementary school community room and this is the facilities and operations subcommittee do you have a roll call please mr harper here miss laramie forever here salute to the flag i pledge allegiance to the united states under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all pursuant to the open meeting law any person making video or audio or video
0:37recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible uh no citizens input tonight okay so we're here for uh a few items the first one uh we'll deal with is the 3.03 discussion and vote to refer camera
1:03installation mr cabral good evening everyone um morton middle school had a new system put in when it was built it's a proprietary system um mr carrera is in the audience since we put that system in there have been nothing but problems and only one vendor in the state of massachusetts can service that system we're at the point now where the system is out of life it has what's called on
1:25there an archiving system uh we can no longer get parts and or hard drives for it anytime a camera goes down we could be out of a camera in that building anywhere from seven to 21 days because there's one person that can work on that system from the company so this company came in they installed this system they're the only ones that can service it but the mother the sister company that built
1:49this system no longer exists so what we have before you is a proposal to bring the cameras up into year 2022 and beyond cloud-based cameras just like we have at our other buildings but at the same time upgrade the card access and the door access and the whole facility to the new system bracata which we're using and we're slowly starting to add to all the buildings by doing this there'll be one card so
2:16maybe you would have one card you could get into any building and we could also turn off we could turn on different schedules so if there was a basketball thing and you're a coach you would have access to that building after hours this just brings us into year 2022 and beyond right now this this proposal that's in front of you to go to full committee is only replacing camera for camera in the
2:40building currently and it's going to replace card reader for card reader if we decide to add any cameras in the future it would be something that we would do internally but this is a giant lift there's over 70 cameras in that building uh roughly 18 of them are powered and run by fiber optic cable to the outside of the building so this is something that we would subcontract out and depending
3:05the vote at the full committee the company has told us that they would be able to get us upgraded and retrofitted for the opening of school this year are there any questions yes thank you um yeah a couple questions is morton the only school that needs this upgrade no so we have a number of schools more in right now in terms of dire need is is that one because middle school you know there's more that
3:31happens in the middle schools than there are the elementary schools that would be the first one we look at and then we'll be coming back piece by piece over the course of this school year to try to upgrade some of those other buildings i can say cuss is in better shape cuss will be coming to you to just replace card access and then internally we can add more cameras because once the cameras are in there a
3:51cloud-based system it's open architecture our team can then install the cameras right i'm glad you mentioned because because that's what i'm kind of referring to i know we had instead last year where we needed to look at the cameras and uh we were unable to get anything off them because they were that was that cloudy let's say so this is something we're going to be prepared to move forward with updating
4:12yes but and we're doing it kind of slowly because to have those many major projects going at the same time you have to technically take the system down in order to replace it so if we were to do this in multiple buildings at the same time we'd have no eyes on the buildings so we're picking one project starting from a to z make sure all our eyes are dotted t's across the system will be
4:32running and then we'll come back to the committee the subcommittee and the full committee to start doing more buildings um in speaking with mr pacheco we'd like to try to get most of the buildings done this fiscal year all right my next question is are all the cameras when need the cameras are they able to move positions or they stay where they so back 10 years ago they had ptz cameras
4:57where you could zoom in you could zoom out now what happens is they're fixed focal length cameras so you do everything behind the scenes on the cloud these new cameras you can zoom in and you can see a license plate if need be some of our older cameras even though they're fixed focal length once you zoom in to a certain point they're not clear they've kind of gone industry standard
5:164k resolution so a lot of the stuff is high def now just in the last four or five years from the meraki cameras that we're using to this new company vercada um that the difference in quality is night and day now do we have located in other schools absolutely we demoed five of those cameras with some of our card access systems in lieterno and then also we're gonna you guys just voted to approve full
5:42committee the administration building because there was no coverage there the piece that i like about the brickata system is the open architecture leads us to endless possibilities we could have a member of the team literally do facial recognition to that point so if we were looking for a perpetrator in the building or if the sergeant came to us and said we were looking for a student
6:02if we had an idea on the student's picture from our student information system we could find that student in the building so it it opens us up to the world of of possibilities meraki really hasn't so that's why we're going to we're going to give this a go at mooring now as far as the police station how are they able to access it is it at the police station or is it it's all
6:26cloud-based so what we're trying to do is we're going cloud-based and that's not something that would be an administration discussion some of our sros do have access inside the buildings um they don't have it outside the building but as we move forward that would be a discussion that we have with the sergeant with with the superintendent as to how we want to set up those views i mean we've had a very
6:46good relationship with you know the sergeant and with rsro so work together if there's something that needs to to they have to get information from the camera then we figure out how to get access i think that therapy was um and i i'm pretty sure um miss pereira also had spoken to me earlier we one of the things that we need to do is add cameras to the outside right if you
7:11recall some of that that issue so more important will be covered because when we built more and more and had cameras on the outside poles cuss however did not cuss is a different animal because we actually have to have a fiber optic contractor come in we may have to do some digging to get to some of those poles so we have a contractor lined up to do a site survey as soon as they do that site
7:32survey we're going to take care of that right out of our regular operating budget and get the infrastructure piece done that way we can come back to you guys in future months and say okay here's our plan this is what we need for cameras to cover those locations that was my my next question was do all our schools have cameras on the outside on the perimeter of the schools most do however there's probably four really
7:53need to get into which ones don't there's probably four buildings that are still using analog cameras that we have to replace that's something moving forward correct we are changing all out yep i yield thank you so luckily mimi asked most of the questions i was gonna ask but just to clarify the new system you're putting in more in is going to allow you in the future if we want for you guys to
8:17install our own cameras so we can put them wherever we choose correct correct correct okay and we are making sure that this is important very important to me right the safety of our kids and i want to make it easier for police officers to be able to do their job so going forward the goal then is to make sure that we have a sufficient amount of cameras outside so if we have
8:39somebody come into a parking lot do something wrong and leave we get a license plate so the police officers can follow up with that in a better fashion and um scott now i think you cut morton's kind of unique a little bit where um with most schools the parking lot is right there so the parking lots on hood street uh for warning how are we using are we gonna take oh is
9:04there already cameras there there are cameras there so more in the thing that there was a cost saving we're going to reuse all of the existing cabling um the cabling is not something that would change over time it's still the standard cabling we'll just be changing out the unit and then it'll be cloud-based we won't be using that archaic archiving system where if they called and they
9:24needed video and they've called before major crimes we can't help them because the video is just not there and it's going to be an upgrade oh it's like for the parking lot as well correct yeah how long is the video saved is it just forever no so it depends on internally how we decide to set them up at the high school right now they're set up for 43 days
9:43just because we do it at such a high quality but i could manipulate quality levels to still see plates and we could go as far as 60 days okay all right thank you you're welcome any other questions yeah just one once we said to we refer how long start to finish um do you ask me i've already had conversations with ian e they've been excellent with us they've done some of our other projects um once
10:06it's the will of the full committee and we get the approval i can call the next day we'll get the paperwork and contracts started on our end but they'll start to order product thank you any motion yes yes item 3.02 discussion and vote to refer the sro memorandum of understanding agreement good evening sir thank you for having me sure so the school resource officer memorandum of understanding 2022 it's been updated uh
10:44recently after the police reform bill there was an mou commission that was created to develop a model mou used across the state so what i've done is i've taken that model mou and i've tailored it to the florida public school system so that's the document that you have in front of you now it pretty much spells out um what what the expectations of an sro is how one is selected the training the certification
11:10um and you know that we're a resource for the schools um and it's all spelled out there so that's if you have any questions about it i'd be glad we're glad to answer yes um yes thank you for being here um we got the 2021 one in in our docs and going through that what in here is different from the 20 i just don't have time to read this
11:36right um i think it just it goes more in depth as to what the expectations of sro is it really goes into that they're not to be used as a disciplinarian in the schools the selection some of the information sharing is spelled out in the mo in the mou and that uh chief at the field at the end of the day has the ultimate discretion as to who the sro is but it
12:00really goes into expectations and the role of an sro in the school system and you're on board with all everything in the end absolutely it's much more specific and i i will say i was sergeant galveo and i had had a discussion about this and i actually took the mou that he um produced for us and i went through the deci model mlu word for word to compare and and he followed
12:25exactly the same process all he did was customize him to follow public schools and have that information i think that that this one is a little more general um and this one spells the new one spells everything out the duties of the the sro uh what lies in the police department what lies in our responsibility and how we communicate with one another how we share information we share information
12:48with etc so it you know it's it's pretty it's a very good document because it's very specific can we get can we get this one over to the other committee members before the meeting it's already posted okay great thanks but we can get a hard copy to them also yes any other questions motion questions uh second second roll call mr car yes irony yes yes the next uh item on the agenda is 3.01
13:23yep thank you sir the uh traffic concerns at the turnover elementary school
13:37how you doing good good evening go right ahead um so we uh as uh following up from last time our next steps it are to have a meeting at the laterno elementary school to welcome the public um our neighbors and representatives of our school community to discuss the proposal of making anthony street a one-way so we want to have some input on there's different possibilities different options you know
14:07one being going from stafford one way all the way to the boulevard or going one way and stopping at either lamp 4 or carl street which are two crossroads so we want to have an opportunity for the public to come in person we have some aerial footage that we shot with the drone so this is a way for the public to be able to see also sort of the traffic patterns um i actually emailed
14:36the footage to you as well so you can take a look at it so goal is to build consensus from the community on august 10th at the school and then followed up with a meeting at the the traffic board okay so you've got the notice out to the to the parents we're gonna uh send it uh the the notice out uh asap out to the community the letter though yeah letter
15:07yeah so we i've been emailing the school community consistently about the process we've gained a lot of i think interest and support for this including residents on anthony street i can't speak for all of them but i know parents of students that also live on in three street um are excited about the capacity of just making things safer and then just move uh more effectively for everyone both the
15:35residents and the people that are coming in for drop off and have they so they haven't been contacted yet normally we haven't sent a letter yet no okay so that's that's next step and that's going to be for august 10th at 6 00 p.m and we're encouraging everyone to come to have input on you know uh making this decision okay any other questions yeah outside of the letter being sent will there be any robo calls or
16:02maybe notices on their doors yeah some people don't use email there maybe some elderly i mean absolutely so you know we can we're going to leverage our new parent square system to make sure that everyone in the community and then i can work with canada to talk about what are some other ways to communicate um maybe outside of phone right i think i'm specifically talking about the neighborhood yeah so much as students
16:25yep you know they're not on anything so how are we going to reach out to them is my my question absolutely at some level um both male 1 both the snail mail and also leaflets so we'll be dropping off to every resident on anthony street top to bottom okay and then we will also do the formal letter more than apple time before the tip correct it'll be out before the end of this week perfect i
17:00yield thank you so when i'm reading the letter that was in the board dogs it looked like you were saying you're the change you wanted to make was just leaving the parking lot to go right on anthony but then you just said talking about the whole street being a one-way so if you could just clarify that yeah so i think originally um and we were thinking going right turn only on anthony to stafford however after
17:23seeing the aerial footage um we feel that proposing to go left one way towards the boulevard would actually be more effective for the flow of traffic just because there's just more space from the school to the boulevard versus the school to stafford i don't we don't want to cause more traffic issues by making you know uh one decision i guess so who's going to be responsible for making sure that this is
17:53being followed because obviously it's going to be a big change and you can put up signs all you want sometimes people are just creatures of habit and you can put up a one-way sign i do not enter sign sometimes they just so who's going to be responsible for making sure we don't have people going the wrong way down in one way yeah i think you know you know one of the things that we want
18:14to propose and see what the neighborhood feels is making it an all the time situation yeah because of that reason it's actually a little bit challenging to oh nine nine and ten no i agree so that is a proposal that we want to try to make if that's something that we feel like the community is supportive of we'd make that the case another option could be two ways on weekends holidays i mean many
18:39large cities have that as an option as well we don't want to make it so complex that right people can't drive their car down the road obviously so um but i think you know considering one way all the time maybe not the whole length but maybe a section of it to the crossroad of either landfor or or carl street so then it's you just know you can get it in your routine you're not
19:00going to violate anything i tend to agree with you i think having it for one hour a day could be really challenging for people to remember what it is and what have you yeah um so i would support that 100 percent i think the community wants safety fragile yeah yeah i think too you're probably on the right track with uh turning in from stafford yeah um because i think if i could be because most of
19:32the uh my guesses anyway most of the residents that are going to the laterno are off stafford up from a little bit of stafford down towards stafford so for them to circle all the way up to the uh um yeah yeah they keep getting those names on the streets so i think that's probably my guess is that's if the uh neighbors are good with with any with with this pride with this
19:55project they're going to be in favor of going from coming in from uh stafford that's right that's my punch back to the meeting the neighborhood meeting is that could be run by youtube is it going to be mr pachinko okay yeah so okay and also it would be six o'clock yeah and um laura sent you also yeah i'll probably show it to you okay if i can just comment on it sure
20:25whatever process we come up with whatever route uh we'll be in full support we'll be there you know the first two weeks of school to make sure that people are following the rules so you know how it works it takes a while to get to get it under their belt to know okay this is the traffic pattern and the police are here to ensure that it's being followed so we'll be there to
20:43support whatever traffic pattern we come up thank you with you very much thank you appreciate it next up is the discussion and vote to refer the reorganization of the facilities and operations department mr pacheco thank you if i could just go back with just one thing that i should have mentioned earlier on the last item this is not the first time we've looked at traffic patterns after the fact so
21:18we did it at bavaris we made louis street and it took quite a few years since that school opened 2008 just like this one to make those adjustments we didn't make that adjustment to too long ago so um when that school closed it's been built since 2008 but before it closed was a tiny you know that building was a small you know one unit or two unit school and the traffic was
21:45nothing compared to what we have now so you've triple the size of the school put in the same exact spot in the same neighborhood and we cross our fingers and hope everything works and unfortunately it didn't you know um the pandemic allowed people to forget about how bad the traffic was and then when we came back to school we started getting you know that rumbling again so um i think the meeting will be um
22:11will be very well attended and we hope that we can find something um that will help this school unlike others that anthony street has a lot of outlets so you've got three or four outlets so you never have to go all the way down to the avenue if you don't want to just turn around go back up and go up the next street and you're back on stafford road where you may want to be
22:31but i think that it'll be the best way dumping out into stafford road is a very difficult thing to do it only makes the situation worse it doesn't really help right make stafford right so yeah i would um also just now that i'm thinking about it we'd recommend as well inviting the uh maplewood neighborhood meeting group to that meeting okay i think that's mr um it wasn't yes yes mr gaudette and uh mrs bigni i believe
22:59that they would absolutely want to be at that meeting um but also too kenny now we just talked more about the traffic i wanted to i know it's not on the agenda but are we doing anything uh leading up to the opening of durfee where we had that the you know the huh oh okay i'll bring it up at the new business that's fine okay so um what what you have before you is a a
23:26a preliminary look at um what we feel would be a good or a reorg of the facilities and operations group um there's a few extra pieces here that are not currently um within us uh in the group right now um the what's underneath this main heading those were all here but they were stuffed into other piles so what we're trying to do is is make these individual groups manageable or focused for the individual directors and
24:06you know under under the current system one director is doing yeoman's work with a ton of different departments and trying to manage those departments as if only one happened at a time and that's not that's not realistic they all happen at the same time all the issues happen at the same time and you know that person is trying to deal with that so this breaks it up into more manageable groups and individually
24:34as you can see we broke this down so you could take a look at the individual groups in no particular order so the maintenance group is just maintenance now so it doesn't include the buildings and grounds buildings and grounds will be held separate and the reason for that is is that that building and grounds group um is going to have a little bit more work than they currently have with the
25:01artificial surface we've got a 10 million dollar investment in the next year or so with all of our all of our groups and that the fields are going to be a major undertaking to take care of the artificial turf fields they require regular maintenance every so many hundred hours and then the daily stuff and also um putting that under maintenance just puts a tax on the current director so what what we did
25:32here was as you see there are no names attached to anything and it's easier for us to discuss role as opposed to person that'll come later but the maintenance group itself now is strictly maintenance and that's their focus so it'll be these employees under a director and come focusing strictly on building maintenance the next one is the director of custodial services so again the custodial services encompassed
26:03encompasses quite a few employees but it also has some other to it um that we don't necessarily think it had to be under this director and um under the current system we have so this would strictly be custodial services nothing more than custodial services it would however have a a lower level administrator taking care of most of our compliance as best as compliance and all of the that goes
26:36along with that all the reporting maintaining all of the booklets in the schools um it'll also do the pest control but that is all being done right now under one person this particular piece will allow that compliance person to know that all of these filings have to be done so many times a year and and take care of things like that and anything else that comes up in compliance
26:59as as part of the building part of this whole realm um the director of transportation so currently we have a coordinator of transportation and um two people that work into that department i'm not quite sure that that department is robust enough to handle the amount of apparatus that we have every day on the roads and the amount of work it takes to put those schedules together and we've
27:29got more students riding buses than we ever have lately as of the last couple of years so that department again would stand as alone as it does now but that leader of that department so to speak would end up in the director's role in managing both software and the personnel that lie under that particular heading the school resources self-explanatory sergeant galveon and um and all of his offices
28:00would be there we have the director of nutritional services so currently director of nutritional services is um outsourced and it'll remain that way but just for the sake of organization i wanted to see how that looks so you got a director which is the vendor we have an administrative assistant which is supplied by the vendor and then everyone below that two supervisors are our frps employees
28:29and then the rest of the management as you can see the numbers were creeping in the 150 175 range for employees in that one division this division is not going to change at all this is staying as it is under the same um operational uh heading we have director of campus services so this one here is is a newbie so this one here is grounds and grounds maintenance currently we're taking care of three artificial surfaces
29:06two with derpy and one at cuss we will have five at durfee and one at cuss so we're kind of doubling what we have for artificial surface so basically if you look at the organizational drop from that particular department it looks a little different than the others and basically basically breaking it up into two groups one would be artificial turf and grass and field maintenance and then the other one would be
29:37landscaping grounds maintenance the ultimate goal was is to take care of all the schools with this department so that i can keep the custodians in the buildings doing custodial work currently in the summer they spend quite a bit of time outside cutting grass trimming doing whatever they do in some buildings it's a huge endeavor but the grounds keep people currently helped them out with some of that
30:02ultimately i'd like to see it all go to this one group and they would be doing this work summer and winter custodians would still have snow removal on their plate but this would be a helping hand also on the winter time where they could bring in snow blowers help the bigger schools who need help or anybody who's struggling to clean up an area it would fall under this so this is brand new we
30:24currently have three employees and there'll be some employees adam and director of security and safety so under director of security and safety you would have two leads which they currently do to senior offices and currently 23 this 23 does not include the 12 that were just added with the budget so that's not reflective of that what and then the last piece on the uh chart is the uh derpy facility manager so this is
31:00a standalone position it's the person who operates all of the systems all of the mechanical electrical and plumbing systems at durfee and takes care of all the warranties that we have with the new building that position currently i think will stay as it is for next couple of years until we know that we've got durfee where we want it and then that may morph into a person that we can kind of lean on for
31:26other buildings if they have mechanical issues that we can do remotely and and would be under that control so again preliminary um look at the overall ethanol we're looking we're going to be looking for positions which we'll put together in another package my ass tonight um if you have questions you know i'm glad we answered my ass tonight would be not to refer it to table it here to allow me to bring back job
31:55descriptions that go along with everything here to allow me to take a look at what the growth potential is and what our life you know our liability financially is going to be in order to make this work we'll work those numbers and hopefully have another facilities meeting before the september meeting if we can and i have all of that ready and prepared and then um you know look at that point for a referral if we're
32:25all comfortable i think that's enough time ken so before september i'm going to try but if it isn't yeah i won't do it i'll i will let everyone if we're not ready we're not yeah we want it done right the first time obviously right now do you have a question yeah i do so what what you're looking to do is three job descriptions right so director of custodials i'm going to redo them all
32:46you're going to redo them all except so except for ones that are not changing at all so for instance you're right so the the maintenance one won't change actually it will because it carries grounds right now so that one will change there is no job description on the transportation because it's not a director it's a coordinator so that'll be a new job description also okay custodial services
33:09we already have a job description for the assistant but again it encompasses some of the other work that was happening so we've got to look at them all all right and take a look at any one that changed so that we we give you an accurate description we currently have people doing multiple jobs but we need to make sure we separate it because the department grows so much we need to make sure that we have each
33:37part of the department is overseen by someone and so that we can put efficiency and efficiencies in place across the department right so although it's impossible for one person to oversee every single piece of this department effectively with it it's just like scott bringing to the table okay the tech department grew so much right to make sure we put the right systems in place we are trying to put
34:03the right systems in place to make the department run efficient so i think this is a good stock this is a great start so i both got to refer motion to table thank you we don't have to make a most of the table do we no it's just a discussion no it was a discussion yeah i think it was discussion oh right okay
34:32yes yes forever yes for new business um ken i just wanted to talk to you real briefly about the uh leading up to the opening school of uh opening day of yes durfee last year when was surprisingly hectic chaotic are we doing anything tweaking anything this year the beginning of the year that we didn't do last year sure so um we've met with the city officials as far as trying to work on the traffic pattern
35:03and lighting you know the light control light at president apple we're looking to make a couple of turning lanes permanent so currently that was done by by details uh from the police department and it worked very well it kept the traffic moving we we went from 45 minutes late to right on time and traffic cleared up by 10 to 8 completely without adding any roads or anything else that we could this year we've
35:34we will be ready to open up all of the arteries that disperse traffic the opposite direction away from elsewhere street so they're going to be able to drive back up by spencer board and get on to on to race street wiedemo street will now be active so they're going to be able to leave the parking lot in the back of the building and drive up that way we're going to set up traffic patterns within the current
35:56patterns to force people away from elsewhere once they get on our property so that ellsbury will strictly be the big parking lot on the end about 350 400 cars the buses which we want them to be able to get to president avenue through ellsbury and then most of the parents who are picking up will come through the property if they so choose um near the field house but when they get to the end of that
36:23they'll be shot up the hill and go out on ray street chestnut street wiedema and get themselves away from the building so we're we're expecting that 35 percent of the parents who drop off are going to find this is a better method than what they were doing if they so choose to go into the end parking lot that's going to be a much slower way and they'll see that as they evolved all year long and got
36:50found better ways to drop off their family they they made it on their own they didn't have we need to direct them we're gonna have a lot more uh options for them this year that we didn't have last year if the lights are corrected then we won't need the detail um on our side and which will be good because it's you know be a cost saving measure for us and the
37:14uh amount of money that the city needs to um you know put towards the traffic is you know very very minuscule it's painting the traffic and a possible three thousand dollar engineering fee to put in the new controls on those lights so when you get to that light you'll have two options on both sides you'll go straight or you'll have a double turning lane and that'll be all day long
37:43um which will alleviate currently when you're coming from the rotary heading up you've got two lanes that squeeze into one that won't be there you'll have one lane now to go straight and the other two will always turn towards bcc and we'll put some signage up there also saying possibly bcc and bishop connolly traffic use the right lane there if you use the left lane okay because that'll get them all the way
38:09down and those those two traffic patterns will won't be mixing so that's what's that will be give us a much better start for this school year than last year yeah i mean like last year was i don't know if we were ready for it or expecting that kind of surge but it's it's definitely one of the worst areas traffic wise uh in the morning as long as you know when we when we made the right
38:36adjustments as well and we did get them out but the place was cleared by like 8 30. as long as that's it's because it's going to be busy from quarter 7 to eight thirty or eight fifteen whatever it is but as long as it's clear by that i think that that's the public can deal with that yeah and this this will quite i think would alleviate quite a bit of traffic off of elizabeth completely because
38:58when we the old school that traffic didn't exist on ellsbury right because of the west main entrance so we're giving what technically given the west main entrance back as far as students being able to get elsewhere they were kind of locked into that narrow path that we had given them and quite a few students took advantage of that but now students who are driving know that they can get up to that other
39:22parking lot we're also adding about 150 parking spaces to the two roads the ring roads that we have on the property that we currently don't have so that's more options whether it's teachers or whether it's students who use that parking lot either way it's going to help us with the congestion thanks karen motion to adjourn second emotions yes oh yes yes thank you everybody thank you very much thank you