The Fall River School Committee held a special meeting on Monday, September 12th, to discuss goal setting with Superintendent Maria Ponce. Superintendent Ponce presented a draft of her goals, which included student learning goals, a professional practice goal, and four district improvement goals, structured to mirror the evaluation format for teachers and administrators. Key discussions revolved around the availability of data for student learning goals, with the Superintendent noting that state targets and comprehensive data would not be available until late September or early October. Committee members, particularly Mr. Hart, emphasized the need for clear timelines, solid end dates for goals, and regular updates on school-based assessments, suggesting quarterly reports during instructional subcommittee meetings. Mr. Hart also requested access to last year's school goals and a baseline assessment for the district's evaluation of all staff, highlighting concerns about inconsistent evaluation practices in some departments. Further discussions focused on the district improvement goals, including ensuring 100% staff evaluation, providing equitable access for all students, improving student attendance, and enhancing human capital through recruitment and retention efforts. Mr. Hart advocated for attendance officers to report directly to principals for better accountability and suggested legislative advocacy for issues like special education teacher licensing. Mr. Andrews praised the equitable access goal for its holistic approach to student support. The committee also discussed the Pre-K expansion goal, with Mr. Hart suggesting a clearer articulation of the plan beyond a minimum of five new classrooms. The meeting concluded with a unanimous vote to adjourn.
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i'd like to call to order this special meeting on the floor of a school committee for monday september 12th deb would you please call the role mr admiral here mr bailey here mr hart mrv yes ms pereira mr andrews here i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all isn't that all
0:35right now i want my kid to play right we have no citizenship input at this time the purpose of the meeting is goal setting with superintendent maria ponce so i will therefore turn it over to our superintendent response thanks mr mayor um so what you have before you you have a draft and i want to say draft because the purpose of this committee is if this meeting is to share the draft and to get feedback from
1:03you and then go back and refine those goals and you know hopefully present the second read and they get adopted in october one thing that i have learned from other superintendents is actually because if you notice the first goal we don't have our data yet and i was asking some superintendents about that and they were saying that they usually do their goal setting in october because the data
1:28usually comes in at the end of september or early october so that we can actually have some um uh concrete numbers certainly you know we will by the time we meet again we will i will share the numbers with you and add those numbers in there for you but at this time for the student learning goal and that we don't have the targets yet set by the state so um what
1:50you know the that goal isn't complete right that we're waiting for we have some data but not um it's embargoed and not the the data that we need for to to calculate the goals if you notice that the the format is a little bit different simply because last year's goals were we got some feedback from the committee some of those goals really belonged in departments um and we needed to take the
2:18the overarching piece of those goals and included into my goals and and that's what i tried to do this format mimics our teachers and administrators everybody has to submit a student learning goal a professional practice goal and some district improvement goals and in this case we have four district improvement goals so i try to um model what we're what we want to see and what we um do for our uh staff
2:46so i'm i'm going to if everybody is certainly we don't have concrete numbers but if people have any questions on student learning goals certainly can take some feedback from that or we can skip over to the professional practice school when is the um whether you can towards we we have been getting some data we will be getting the the goal is that um by the end of the month we'll
3:10have um data usually the data comes out the end of september uh early october that i will say the target uh accountability targets won't come out until later on but based on like our tenants data chronic absenteeism we'll get those numbers at the end of the month and we'll be able to set goals um you know that are related to to that that data is anything further on the student learning goals yeah
3:37when you look at these timings that you just explained so it says during the 2022-23 school year with the staff of usually i believe we used to use like by june of 2022 whatever so i'd like to see a date more of a solid date in there so that we can now know and it'll help us to know when we're gonna meet so this might be from october or november to november
4:04because it doesn't make sense to do it why you just articulated it but when i looked at the goals in the past as well as now i want to see in let's say it's november of next year how did we do with the goals did we meet them online and the cleaner we make this the easier it's going to be to determine that and i think sometimes even when i was working
4:25in the school system as an administrator that was very difficult if we weren't clear on the front end so for me i would want to see that actually makes a lot of sense because the superintendent's evaluation cycle is november to november so it probably makes sense to do it october to october to have the data so that um when the evaluation happens for november that you have everything and then we can do
4:48exactly what they're just saying says it's not like move it accordingly but so by october along that same line the schools when the schools come in i'll speak for myself sometimes i'm a little confused with their goals as well so that when we're trying to keep it in the same format and i think i mentioned this at the last time so that you would hold them accountable but like the attendance we had talked about
5:12so you can't make a goal personally that says the attendance is going to do x y and z if you don't hold them accountable to their piece so how that integrates to this like so next time we meet on this maybe if we could articulate each school's goals in a another page of this or something it'll help us to figure out so like i'd have to have my research to go
5:34back and say well all the schools are going to improve by ten percent and then if you give us this without that info now i'm like well you say five percent they might say ten percent one school might say greater percent you know just trying to put them all together um all schools have to have like uh their their goals are are you know related to my goals right to the district goals and district
5:59improvement plan and they all have to have and one of the things that we got back from last time is that attendance needed to be called out by itself because it's such an issue in our district and um every school that's one of the things that we did every school in their school improvement plan has to have an attendance too so that's a good thing we could actually do a one-pager for each school in regards
6:19to what their sip goals are so that we can bring it to you so that you can see how it aligns yeah and if you look at the uh i think i was reading through the evaluations around that section right yep yeah but to get back to this part when the schools i don't necessarily think are uniform in what they have to what you are private superintendents have mandated
6:40so they're all over the place as well so i would say in the in the meantime they should all somewhat look similar so that where everybody wants to be whatever x amount per proficient or something if we get a very lower performing school then their goal might be just to make ten percent but ten percent isn't fair of his school because his school's already thriving right how does that all get relative uh
7:04you know at the end of the day so that's all i have on that thank you anything further on student learning goals all right can i ask one more so when we were talking about the data for the state sometimes we rely i think on too much of the state data and we spent hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars on things that we paid for so that schools could assess their children
7:30on a regular basis i'll speak again for myself i don't necessarily see the results of that throughout the year in any fashion at all except for when we push it like in a subcommittee meeting right but on a regular monthly basis or something to say where are all the schools out when they're doing their assessments so it shouldn't be a surprise at the end of the year so i know you're looking at that info
7:53but somehow if we could weave in regular regular updates on our own assessments that we can say well kids are making progress they're using the school-based data to create their goals because prince of principles can't use mcas data for their goals like not the principles but the staff because mcas data doesn't come in until after so they have to use benchmark data you know based on some of the curriculum that we
8:24have the the platforms that we've we've uh invested in so certainly um yep and we should have regular data updates is that something we could do well i mean maybe regular but maybe once in the middle of the school year and then at the end of the school year well i don't know like regular updates but yeah maybe like a quarterly right or half year and we're going to have instructional
8:47subcommittee meetings quarterly right so that that could be one of the pieces of the instructions so when we i can't say that every single quarter will have data points for every single piece but whatever data points we have we report out on that data does that make sense can we just get access to last year's goals for them because i know like for bobby and i we wouldn't like we don't have access we don't know
9:10what their goals were last year to be able to come to the school schools yeah yeah because we don't know history history when you mention the um well it's quarterly or whatever i think that it should be some regular pattern however that fits but i think there's a disconnect between all of the resources that we're putting in and what does the difference in that what is that making along the way the
9:38impact the impact that that's happening it really cares about what the mcat scores are or this is we should be seeing growth in the kids and if we're not or we see your school is really good growth yours is moderate yours is really low then we're going to hold you accountable to say what are you doing to make this school follow i think we missed that boat too sometimes so we
9:59have pockets of uh that person is doing great with this well why the hell isn't it being done in old schools but we don't see the data that that goes with that so that's for why something might not be able to be implemented in the same way or are they just missing the vote on something or depends on the school but i i will say that one of the things that we are creating
10:20or re-establishing we've had that in the past and then kind of it went by the wayside for many different reasons so we are creating data cycles with each school right now everybody's getting them cast data myself dr curley our office of instruction team we're going to go out to schools do a data dive with the principals and their instructional team to do a baseline you know let's look at the data
10:47what it what are our goals as a result of that data and we're going to do um we are tiering our schools high need schools the moderate schools you know and and meeting with them regularly to do exactly that okay so what are your short term goals what how does the data you know okay we just have um beta data from this benchmark how does that relate to
11:07the goal that you set do we need to make any adjustments so we weren't in that cycle and we're going back to that cycle of monitoring and supporting schools it's really about putting supports in school as well as putting accountability measures and what gets monitored gets done and we do need to do we need to model that as a district team so that our schools do it and it trickles down okay how about the professional
11:38so obviously i have a responsibility to model uh best practices and and and being a reflect reflective practitioner uh for all staff um i need to continue to grow and build my own capacity uh last year's as being a new superintendent i was part of the new superintendent's network i will be part of that year too um that that comes with coaching and mentoring i also will be participating here too in
12:06the lynch leadership um and um you know uh uh doing monthly learning walks at buildings giving principals feedback um everything we expect our principals and our building leaders to do uh we're gonna be doing as a district team and and i'm going to um to be growing as a you know as a leader so that i can model for our principals and our leaders what we expect and now we have our district improvement goals so
12:39mr aguiar just alluded to that supervision evaluation if you notice so certainly our district has grown we have added departments we are trying to put good systems in place systems of support systems of accountability so we do a pretty good job with evaluating administrators and teachers but we have to do a good job at evaluating everybody right and supporting everybody people if i don't uh evaluate you or give you
13:07feedback you don't know you think you're doing a great job because you haven't heard otherwise so our goal is to have all staff evaluated regardless of which department they work in we need to have a system we need to create goals and we need to give people regular feedback so that's one of the district improvement plans the improvement goals is to make sure that we have systems systems of support and
13:31accountability through evaluation and supervision the other one is equitable access the school year if you notice i didn't call out a specific last year we had a specific goal for special needs a specific specific goal for multilingual learners etc so if we are providing if we are a district that supports all students and gives all students access we need to make sure that we do that by creating the sense of
13:58belonging building by building relationships providing the appropriate scaffolds for students and expanding what we have already in place so we're going to expand our programs like dual language we're going to roll over we we rolled over to first grade next year to third grade we're going to continue that model we're going to continue to support all students who you know where they are right so
14:23i think that we're pretty good about intervening um to the kids that are at the bottom and then we forget to accelerate the kids at the top we need to make sure that we meet kids where they are and put systems in place that support all students who provide every single person access and and scaffold scaffolds happen for the students who are struggling as well as the students who are excelling and we need to make sure
14:45that we have those system tiered systems of support in place having a multi-tiered system of support was one of our goals last year that really didn't get off the ground the way it needed to so we need to make sure that we have that system in place so that we're making sure that we support all learners right so you know what happens in tier one what happens in tier two what
15:08happens in tier three but we need to have a district model and that needs to funnel down to all the schools does anyone have any questions i had a question on the other one i'm sorry the professional practice goal mm-hmm facilitation of monthly principal meetings can we get copies of the agenda for those for the principal's meetings just never seen one of those before and over the years sometimes i wonder
15:36like what is being discussed right at those meetings um it'll just help us to know what that um sure what that really is and some sometimes those are we principals meetings uh our focus is to try to make them uh meetings where we build capacity right obviously in the beginning of the year we're going to have some safety training at the beginning of the school year um but sometimes there's some nuts and bolts and
16:03a lot of times it's about looking at data you know what are we doing sharing data with our with our uh principles and and talking about plans for moving forward but yeah we can we can certainly i'll share that the um and one of the reasons why i asked that is because sometimes we have meeting we mean anybody or any school system you have meetings that could be done by email like it's check
16:24the box like this that you know but those meetings in my opinion ask for higher level instructional what are we doing and we can morph into the you know oh by the way don't forget this is due then this is due then but more action-oriented this is what we're going to be doing that's why i was asking for that and then you put um examples of monthly feedback to principals
16:47as as measured by which is a good which is a good thing but in the past what we used to get was random for no reason whatsoever things sent to us so in my mind if we're going to use as measuring by professional practice goals and all that and walk-throughs and feedback then i think all of those should be sent to to us if we're going to use that as a measure in your
17:12whether you're making this goal or not to me don't just send me one or two and it's like well random why do we get this in the mail what is this about if this is what we're going to measure it by then i think we need to see all of them well that would be part of my collection of evidence i mean just like we wouldn't expect a teacher they have to you know because you evaluate
17:33teachers right they're not going to submit every single thing they do but they give you a sampling of the things that they do so certainly in my collection of evidence i would have samplings of feedback so i might have a formative summative some unannounced or whatever but uh i wouldn't include every single one to uh in my binder because it would be a very very thick finder but certainly um i think that you'd also
18:00i think you'd agree that we shouldn't just get uh selected one right oh absolutely you know what i mean and it needs to be sensitive right yes consistent needs to be consistent yes we don't get the names no we would have to redact them yes why do we need the name i don't think we need i don't think we need the names we have it's not a it's not a it's not a
18:21debate it's a fact but why do we need the name superintendent sends us go and i went to henry law school i got a here's my feedback for the henry lloyd school we got an email hundred percent the superintendent buy superintendent so then when you look at it i think it's very valuable and why would we not plus we should get it because why would we not get something to say this is your
18:45analysis as who we actually are the ones that hold you accountable this is your analysis of those schools if there's nothing to hide then why are we why would we not get it with the neymar that's another thing i think we've got to get rid of iranian is that everybody's so worried about oh well we can't just say no it is what it is we're all professionals if you're going
19:06to go and do it you send us something we should be able to see why would we not see it what are we afraid to say well i went to such and such school and it was this happened this is the feedback i gave if that's the case then take it out of the goals so my gut feeling is we're probably talking about different things so i don't kevin i'm not hearing that as like a staff
19:24name i'm hearing it just like a general collective i noticed this when i walked into henry lord those the safety measures were in place he's asking for actual feedback okay if i evaluated mimi then
19:47this is what we used to get from the old superintendent he went around he grabbed a couple of school committee members he'd go around to a school it would be a dog and pony show it'll be well wonderful this all of this other stuff like as if the everything's on hunky-dory 100 and then we all of a sudden get this feedback that says here's what my walkthrough was when you're walking around with school community members
20:07i'll speak for myself nobody should be walking around with school community members doing an evaluation such as this that's not what it was there was never a vlog i know what that was for that was for his program that he was in that required him to do so many walk-throughs so what the former superintendent would do was take his materials from that and wrap it into his class but as far as what he was doing
20:33for that school specifically to say uh principal aguiar um left out the third grade from the data but whatever whatever concrete things he was giving you just what you said fluff that was not concrete it was for his class right well i don't care if she takes a class or she doesn't take a class and keep the fluff out as far as i'm concerned when he used to send to us was
20:55when we go walk through with printer and i have i support it we want to go through let's go walk through a school and see what's going on great i work every day i can't do that so i don't think it should be done as much as it was done in the past with dr malone but with that being said you have a duty to do instructionally to go through that's what i'm talking about i'm going
21:12to talk about the real work not not the stuff yeah so but that's what he sent you fluff well it was over and over yeah that happened that happened we gave high fives to kids that took pictures with this when we did that it wasn't that's not like this is more instructional like practice what you really are doing and how do we know you're giving quality feedback to a school
21:32like that that's all i i'm not looking to i don't evaluate somebody so you're asking to see some samples of feedback yeah yeah i think and i think that's pretty fair the second one you said district improvements of all staff 100 can you tell us what it is now what the baseline is now based on that goal i i think in some departments so eval teachers and administrators are in the 90s and certainly if it's
22:02somebody's out goes out on fmla or whatever they might have gotten left out for the most part that's why we would have someone not being evaluated but i think under the other departments uh we don't have consistent um evaluation uh systems in place um i can get that one and try to get i don't know if that data was collected was in the high 90s i think you told me
22:26so that was and again it was the same thing kevin's out 12 weeks for a child or whatever they don't have those but they nailed everybody that was in the building yes so but what he's asking what i'm saying his what i was saying was we want system-wide we want to put systems of support and accountability we've expanded we've created departments um we so we need to have and we've it part of our
22:52negotiations has been to create labor management teams where they're looking at the tools and refining them and making them more targeted for specific groups so moving forward we need to make sure that we put those to practice and make sure that everybody gets it so everybody has an assigned evaluator whether you're an adjustment counselor an attendance officer a security guard exactly okay exactly
23:16that's that's what our goal is so it says here in order to ensure effective and timely supervision of all staff 100 of staff will be evaluated in accordance with state regulations absolutely what i'm asking is the questions on what like we would with the staff member do your self-assessment of where you're at and the people before you so this is not to you know criticize anybody or
23:37anything but that's a basic expectation right that if anybody thinks that that shouldn't be a basic expectation they're in the wrong profession sadly sadly that number is not not even close to 90 when we get those data we get it from the ones that are in the union either either unions or whatever we're not getting it across the border 100 so i agree with what your system that you're
24:02trying to put in place but in order to fix the system we have to acknowledge what's wrong with the current system and there is deficiencies across the board with people that are in powerful positions that are in leadership positions that have not evaluated staff that are under them it's hard to believe but it's a fact so that's why i'm asking for the data is that we've got to say this is what it is
24:22if mr bailey's looking at it and i only evaluated 10 of 10 of my staff and i'm a manager i'm a leader in the department well mr bailey's got a right to come after me and say what are you doing how are you only evaluating this there should be nobody that said in this district not one person that says i haven't been evaluated in years that should not come in anybody's out of anybody's
24:44mouth and if we're being honest we know it that's the case many people haven't been evaluated for years i asked at a meeting two months ago to get a data on a certain department to say how many people were evaluated or not to this day i still don't have that information and i know why i don't have it because the people that are in those departments that are running those departments
25:05didn't uh take it as a priority to say this is what i need to do but as you mentioned before mr sponsor when you measure it they will address it so if somebody was asking them you tell me a checklist of all the people in your department that by contract was supposed to be evaluated once or every year every second year if you don't ask that person for the data they're going to go year
25:25after year after year and we just keep dealing with the same old so i'm not trying to criticize anybody but i think that's what drilling down a good a good goal is and you've got to find the baseline do we have um it says all evaluators will participate in tv do we have a set for them so um for yes we do it depends on the department we're setting up for other departments that haven't had
25:54professional development but we're doing training for all people who evaluate and that and the evaluation tool for teachers is set by the state yes for administrators to separate states yes but the ancillary groups around the edges are those in-house evaluations or they break down every every department i mean do we have like security guards just for example do they have an in district or is it something by the state
26:21they have in districts we actually had one tool that was a catch-all for everybody and as we're meeting with each group we're personalizing that tool for that department yes i think further on the district improvement goals keep going so the student attendance goal as we know you know student attendance we just got ourselves back into hopefully a routine right last year we came back in person
26:51attendants still suffered greatly due to covid in out we told kids to stay home if they weren't feeling well etc so we need to get ourselves back on track so one of the things we were supposed to do last year was to re-establish the attendance task force which that didn't get done so we're prioritizing that we are doing some root cause analysis with our staffs with our school as well as every school has set up a
27:23student support team to track and monitor student attendance to create some personalized goals for kids obviously we need to work with our attendance officers that's we have a tiered support also there they they're doing mostly tier three and then school they're doing tier one and two we certainly have uh community facilitators that we brought on board that are doing some work with connecting families and
27:48creating opportunities for families to engage with us in instilling the importance of kids being in school so it is a priority it is a priority for us as a district it is a priority for us as um individual schools we know that if kids are in school they're missing out on something so um we need to first get them in so that we can get them uh start closing those gaps
28:13right here so the key actions we established the attendance task force i know that this was a sort of a contentious issue under the prior superintendent and that it was good progress was being made and then all of a sudden it just stopped covered excuses whatever the excuses are i personally don't care but this from what i can remember the attendance task force was doing a lot of good things
28:38and all of a sudden it just stopped but we're already in october was september september so we already cindy already has um we're creating uh a meeting we're targeting we have to be very specific as to who's going to be part of that task force and setting up the first meeting so that's going to get set up immediately yeah my point of saying is that sometimes when you re-establish something it's like we've got to
29:03reinvent the wheel we've got to go through all that i thought that the people that were on it were doing well and i think they had some good ideas they just need to be decisions need to be made and they need to implement it but when i just i would just caution that it needs to just be up and running again not necessarily let's just start over right we have people that work for us
29:21that are good people that know what we need to do so i would do that the other piece of it when i look at the schools as all school monitor when the attendance offices in the job organization the off charts i think they work for the district under the district but not the schools right and i would i would um argue the point that the fact that we have enough of them now
29:47that they probably have two schools i think they should work for the principal in my personal opinion so that the principal of the school knows i have uh you know these two uh my attendance officers are mr bailey is my attendance officer he's with me every tuesday and thursday i got him all day we're gonna be this stuff here of meeting we're gonna be on the plan we're going to have these
30:08other meetings if they're not working for the principal it makes it just another layer so my personal advice for what it's worth would be to have the principals look at that a little greater and and if you felt that under those circumstances that they're working tremendously hard we've got these issues whatever we need another one but we need another two i i'd more than support that
30:29if it was proven that they were doing the work you know what i mean like right right now we just add stuff sometimes without uh but if you did that under the principles and you did an organization and you said if we had one more i can i can streamline this a little better so everybody has at least two days a week in attendance offices you know in their buildings under their control
30:49i would support everyone personally because attendance is if they're not yet they're not going to learn so with that thank you and then the last goal um we did feel like i felt like we did need to call out human capital goal um by itself because we continue to struggle obviously there we know there's a national teacher shortage and um we're not unique in this but we certainly need to do more to attract um quality
31:18people to our district to retain our staff so that goal is is a standalone goal that that is targeting we need to to i i just think that we need to partner with our universities around us and really create some opportunities to bring people in whether we bring them in as student teachers and create a pipeline there or interns which we've had some success with continue to grow the jet program we just need to
31:51that attention needs to be in in building human capital capacity so that we can um we're not and we want to our goal is to be uh staffed at 98 when we open next year we always know that there's reasons why you know people we may not have a person but we want to get back to as close to 100 staffed as possible and in order for that to happen
32:19there's some some work that needs to be done uh by us as a district to um recruit and retain our staff i didn't think you said the right thing yeah everybody i talked to is under the gun on staff right now it's i was reading an article in the paper that they portland maine can't get any special education teachers they're going to go on four days a week for skype kids to try to be able to
32:41rotate them towards that it's that dire up there so they're working hard too uh mr aguirre so along the lines of the self-assessment that i've talked about for the teachers and staff that we do i'd like to see some of the self-assessment of the human capital goal because i've been on this committee back now for four or five years and i've seen these same some of these same things over and over
33:02and really nothing happens with it so i'm just curious to see when we do a like a baseline where we've been what we have and haven't done and before we get this finalized obviously it's an issue you know we can't fill positions but there's also things that we can advocate for you may just talk about special education like to me it still defies logic why you can get an emergency
33:28license as a to be a teacher but you can't get an emergency license to be a special ed teacher even though you're a certified teacher right like what the hell is that that doesn't make any sense so those are the types of things that to the departments from hr through you to your organization should be going to the legislature saying this is what we need that just blows my mind about the special
33:51education piece of that but um so an advocacy piece in here yeah something like that so when we instead of just saying oh we have this issue oh we have this issue oh we have this issue well what is it like one of the things i think that the state said you can bring back teachers that right the cap is gone and that's a good thing you know but that's done from the state
34:10but how did that get to the states somebody had to advocate for me right for you so i'm not criticizing the stuff that you have in here i know you have improvements in here things like that right how many recruitments have we done over the last four or five years that's what a self-assessment i would ask for from a teacher what have you done so right look at it and see where we're at
34:33okay are there any is there anything that needs to be on here that i didn't include in the goals or um any other goals that need to be added or um i don't like the old one because it was so extensive that it was just too much it was too much this is clean this means quarterly principle survey data shows that 85 percent of principals agree with indicators of success what is that exactly that's part of
34:58their lynch leadership they had to survey principles and to see where they were at and where they were going and they i mean it's been very well received and they have to put into practice what they learn in in lynch leadership so that's the result i can get you that i can get the committee that piece but what does that mean it's really clear right okay yep all right so i just feel
35:20like i'm trying to have a hard time figuring out what like what does that mean i agree with indicating success like what what the heck does that mean because to me you could have a principal that doesn't agree with what you want to do it's what they identified as the indicators of success as a collective group it was part of the survey so we can get we can show that i mean you have it here so
35:42later on we've looked to say well what did we measure so if it's just something that's i said fluff before but i'm not right it's like the same thing what does it matter then just take it out or if you want it in then tell us with it yep thank you anything further for the goal setting meeting i just had a comment um so my comment was just that i appreciated that you talked about creating belong
36:11a sense of belonging among all program areas because in the past what we've done is we've talked about in special education we're only going to identify these issues here and in our mls students we're only going to work on these issues here instead of looking at it as this is an entire district not just a special ed piece an mll piece like they're all of our kids and they all belong in there so i just appreciate
36:33that you created that across the board as opposed to just these individual silo side load pieces good point anything further mr under the goals pre-k gold yes increased by five classrooms minimum of five so what i would just ask and i know i think i've asked for this before and when we talk about the buildings we need solid data around what we have what we don't have and what we need by regulation versus like a
37:06want versus a must-have things like that but i think that five is a little low well because we're looking at last time i didn't have because i said it was because of staffing right um we know that we increased by five last year that that was the number and those numbers fluctuate right um uh because as it says kids qualify for services after they're three years old they can qualify for
37:31services so that's a rolling number um i maybe i need to put a minimum of we just obviously we're putting a comprehensive plan together in regards to how we're going to expand um i don't want to say 10 and then we don't have space for 10 right because that absolutely has um has to do with spacing but i think that um i would simply add that to so as an increase a minimum of five classrooms
37:58and then continue the sentence to say in conjunction with this the larger plan that we're creating or something it just shows so i just like i said again we're not clear on what it is so you could increase by five if we just left this and say oh that's great well you had the opportunity maybe to do twenty but you only did five over i still gonna say you did that's all
38:18just maybe clarify that there's a bigger piece to it one thing i just want to pivot back to the um attendant maybe it would fit under attendance but i know we've had conversations in the past about uh having better attendance at uh school participation in community events especially such as the kickoff to summer so i don't know if we can discuss if that can be a goal or if that's something we discuss
38:49down the road but maybe um just discuss how that can can happen um it was a little upsetting to to see the community side coming on strong the past two years three years and seeing the the block party the kick off to school block party not having um schools there so i i don't know if it's something we want to put in goals or something we can revisit later on but
39:19maybe something to do i mean i don't know if it would fall under attendance uh aspect of it but like definitely a a community engagement right the facilitator or you know something to that aspect and that actually um also fits into um individual goals right as well as um miss um you know cindy's goals miss cooper's goals uh in regards to what we want to see for us as a district uh i
39:49agree i was there it was disappointing right um timing is an issue uh right uh everybody this if anything this i'm not gonna make an excuse but this is a year that uh principals have been working on stopped yeah yeah and that's definitely understandably higher yeah so but i i will um add that in there thank you anything further come before this okay i'll entertain a motion to ensure this special meeting second second
40:22yes
40:30yes