9.19.2023 Historical Commission

all right uh good evening everyone and thank you for joining us for the meeting of the Fall River historical commission um we're meeting hybrid both in person and also through Zoom it is Tuesday September 19 2023 it is now uh 603 P.M um and this meeting is being recorded uh through Fall River government TV which will be put on to Facebook live as well as their YouTube page uh pursuant to the open meeting law any

person may make an audio or a video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible can I get a roll call please sure Elizabeth the block Joyce roderick's present Rick Mancini president

Ashley decuna present honey so Jonathan Lima present and Jason Bouchard naraki present so we have no open seats we have a four more um to welcome aboard Ashley and Jonathan to the historical commission officially so yeah great group so the first item that we have on the agenda item number one is to review and approve the minutes from August 28 2023.

uh Elizabeth sent those out for your review are there any questions on those at all like a motion that we approve the minute in the meeting August meeting I have a motion by Rick and a second by Connie to approve the minutes from August 28th a roll call vote Elizabeth yes Joyce we're approving the minutes um I approve okay Rick Rick Mancini yes Ashley yes uh Connie yes Jonathan yes

and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes okay is there any citizens input um item number two under correspondence we did receive a communication on August 28 2023 from killerin and killerin regarding 229 Highland Avenue and I will read this attention Mr Jason Boucher naraki chairman regarding 229 Highland Avenue Fall River Massachusetts uh dear chairman Bouchard naraki please be advised that I represent South Coast

Hospital who is in the process of purchasing the caption property 229 Highland Avenue Fall River Massachusetts please be further advised that it is the intent of South Coast Hospital group to demolish the structure situated at the subject property it is our understanding that said structure has been defined as a contributing structure in the highlands register historic historical

district accordingly we are requesting to appear before the board of their upcoming hearing scheduled for Tuesday September 19 2023 I look hearing I look forward to hearing from you thank you it was truly Thomas P Halloran Esquire um so regarding this they were initially on the agenda they were not yet ready to present so I didn't need to read this or I had you read the letter but so they will be

coming before us at a later date regarding the intent to demolish it wasn't on the agenda it was and then I had made another amended another amendment to the agenda um the first agenda was on the 15th and then removed you don't need a motion to no no because this um so we did receive one intent to demolish uh at this is item number three 20 Keene Street it was an interior demo

the structure is not listed on the registry of significant structures I did indicate to carry uh and Licensing that we also do not have any questions thank you we do not have any purview over interior demolition but it was a general inquiry um so but the property again is not on on the registry um and under old business item number four uh we have a continued letter of support for the

rehabilitation of one Gay Street it's being presented by Epsilon Associates LLC historically this is the Sagamore Mill number three and this is for their historic tax credit application I do have um if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself and stating your what company you are representing please sure absolutely hi Jason uh my name is can you hear me okay or no there we go um and uh if you wouldn't mind just

introducing yourself um and how you are presenting um uh virtually and then what company that you are representing okay and and just confirm can you guys hear me okay yes uh great uh my name is Kyle taeger and I am with 1 8th Street LLC um we are as well as the pillow collection and just the pillow collection has a um a factory at 1A street so we are a local business in Fall River

um and we acquired uh 1 8th Street through 18th Street LLC uh just over um uh it was just over two years ago and um and my name is Kyle Taylor I'm one of uh three principals excellent um and regarding the application um do you mind um giving an overview of there have been some changes to the application when we initially met uh it was regarding uh I believe windows and some other

components to the exterior in the building yeah absolutely so I just I mean let me know if I'm going to be too um I'll give a little bit more of a background since we acquired the building we've made all sorts of interior interior improvements refurbishing bathrooms and um sort of cleaning up hallways and all sorts so just sort of uh maintenance like that as far as exterior we did replace the roof um a couple uh just

about a year and a half ago and uh we are in the process of putting solar panel a solar panel array um on the uh top of the the building which uh has unfortunately been delayed through um uh National Grid but we expect to be moving forward on that uh this fall um in terms of the big project and kind of what we're going after historic preservation uh tax credits is in

replacing the exterior windows to the building um there's about over 600 different Windows as you uh if you're familiar with the building they're about 13 feet tall about um five to six feet wide and um we are hoping to get tracks credits for this project uh really mostly to help uh maybe pretty big undertaking we did receive uh we we presented in front of this board and we received support for the project

um I want to say about a year year and a half ago uh we appreciate these the support um from this uh this can this commission and um we are now needing to re-up the letter or get continuing support uh the application was um approved conditionally approved by the national uh Park Service um there are some amendments we need to make to the exterior of um the building primarily the windows

um and uh we're now sort of going through and responding to their conditional approval and that is why we were seeking uh sort of an update to the file and um uh there was I did go by the property I noticed that there was a sample window that was put up on the front facade of the structure which I think was there's a image of it I think and yeah in this packet with

find her clip yep it is page it's about part way through this is the mock-up window for the page is the is this the final design for the mock-up or for the window itself uh you know yes and no and I don't mean to be um catty with my response the um Wanted there were some uh conditional in the conditional uh approval uh there are some elements that we're going back and forth with uh one

for example the uh National Park Service seems to think that the historic and I'd love to get the opinion of the committee on this that the historic color of the windows were a lighter color than what we've used uh right now it's sort of a dark uh kind of black Carbonite of sorts which looks really nice with the building and I've seen other really nicely done restorations in Fall River with the same

window or same window material but according to the National Park Service one area in which we're going back and forth is they think it's more of a white then historically than a darker color so we're presenting other color options right now so it's very likely that the window won't be too unchanged but the color might lighten up um another example so just on that like a pause anybody have an opinion on that

in terms of any historical knowledge at all and I'm not sure if that's Incorporated to ask or not but um I see the original windows I think the black absolutely shows off the granite oh way to go oh

okay can you still hear us Kyle we've lost you physically yeah I'm here I'm sorry I know the video kind of goes back and forth a little bit depending upon which one of us is talking but I did hear you and I appreciate the comment in reference to wanting to go with the darker color we do as well we think it makes the building look more attractive I don't

know if there's any uh way we can get some sort of feedback even if it's unofficial but the struggle can provide some sort of support for the darker color window we would we would love that so the sub scribe the window is white and so I'm assuming that that's paint so it was painted white at some point isn't that correct there was yeah so that is correct so historically there was

um they were painted at one point um and from what research we've been able to do and we're referencing a picture that goes back to I want to say 19 um 14 or 19.

foreign yeah it's on uh let's see that photo that you're referencing is on the other side of yeah um but as far as them being white today they were repainted over years uh the white color and there was actually when dough makers in the basement I'm sorry we lost you like um so that this is the the picture the photo of what they're using as the historical reference for the for the

windows they had to they had to zoom in in this is from oh 1910 tonight were these windows painted white is that I'm not sure it appears yeah it appears that the natural wood is in the back yeah and they just painted over there doesn't seem to be any fortunately probably this building unfortunately Kyle that appears this building was probably had its Windows painted white rather than a

darker color but I agree with Connie the docking the windows really look attractive on these middle buildings

so a lot of the homes were on the docker side and everything was kind of because it would get covered in that so um I'm not sure would it be possible to identify another project in the area a mill project that used historic tax credits that have the darker color and reference that I don't know if you can hear me well I'm going right into the mic though I'm sorry I missed the question I

apologize I didn't hear the Avail technical glitch sorry about that wondering if it would be possible to find another Mill project in the area that has the darker window color and if they also used historic tax credits if you could reference that project

Greg is there something going on with the connection

I think it's on the phone balance yeah that was a connection issue we should be joining series

so CPC normally does this they usually have uh yeah

so this is our first time doing hybrid are we on the air at this point Greg it's so important okay all right yeah cool thank you well we just have a technical malfunction so we will reconnect with um Mr taker I'm back I'm not sure if that's better okay we just don't have videos hopefully this will last for us I apologize I should I really just come there today I uh I I that was my mistake

it's quite all right so um Elizabeth had a question regarding any Mills in the area that would have used darker color that may have received historic historic tax credits so that's a good question I don't have an answer on that but I'm gonna make a note of that okay um that was one thing working with Epsilon and they work and do some research the better I said did

you say you know of anyone who has uh I don't I don't know there might be there might be one on Alden Street but I don't know if they receive tax credits I don't recall ever reviewing any like the knitting Mill or apartment laws I don't recall ever reviewing tax credit apps for those um but Epsilon so I believe are they located up in Lowell there's a ton of factories up over there to see what a

historic color would be I mean granted this is our city yeah questions because you would think that they would know the answer to that right we're working with uh goodness sorry breaking up

or if we could work a seriously made a commentary that we could get from the historic convention all right um

Greg it's coming in on one side and not the other yeah he's behind you and then the one in front of you okay okay is there any way of raising the volume Gregory it's a great version yeah thank you Kyle I'm sorry um we're just having some technical difficulties um so um the National Park Service is indicating that they want that they do not want the black color they want something

that's more that's white or an off-white or something of that nature um I mean we could yeah they were hoping to find maybe about I mean we could we could indicate um in the letter I mean the board if anyone has any strong aversion to the black um I personally like the black I think I agree with you it shows off the granite a lot better plus that's you know it's a very industrial neighborhood as well

um and I don't I don't remember the National Park Service ever approving or I'm sorry every denying an application based on paint color yeah window form and you know the size of the lights and that sort of a thing yes but this is a matter of color um what is the um Kyle what is the material it's metal right the mock-up window is it yeah like either aluminum or an aluminum all right um yeah

um okay is there any are there any questions or no but if if you want to send a letter I wouldn't mind making a motion we support right because it's there so basically this is they've had to go back and forth so that's this packet plus the smaller packet that was received so they've had they've gone back and forth with the National Park Service regarding the window design so we could

they I think they have they act uh MHC kind of operates in between the on the ball oh no that's not available yes that's brick Oh those are darker Windows you're right yeah okay so we could use that as an example and that's close by too I don't know about Border City if they did uh if they did tax credits that sold oh I don't know I was just talking about that right yeah okay

um that's good and it's close by so that's okay and it's fairly new um okay um Kyle can you hear us at all I did hear that yes and you mentioned the develop project yes uh Commonwealth Landing yes

promotion to you Kyle what I'll do is I'm gonna make a motion that we support your choice of using the darker color on your renovations and we'll give you a letter of support from the core of the historic Commission

whether they be white winners or dark Windows you know ultimately we have to um follow uh the National Historic uh National Park Service recommendation okay however uh beyond that um if we can get a hello a letter of support indicating the darker windows I I don't see how that would be problematic okay so ultimately part of their their application they do need a letter of support requirement for the application

so we can include that in the same letter um yeah we can um I'll second it okay so we have a motion by Rick as second by Elizabeth this is for the continued letter of support for the rehabilitation of one a street um get a roll call vote Elizabeth yes Joyce Yes Rick Mancini yes Ashley yes Connie yes Jonathan yes and Jason yes all right he doesn't look bad at all

yeah no it's good thank you we appreciate you oh our pleasure I do apologize for the technical difficulty um but I will get that letter out to you ASAP because I know that um you know there's they're waiting for that letter um and if you have any questions at all by all means thank you Jace appreciate that thank you and I did I'll make sure to uh yeah I want to thank you I want to

thank you on the presentations that you make they're they're well documented and a year and a half or so ago when you sent all those drawings through on the project that was extremely enlightening and it's good to have that as a as a reference source and even this evening it's a good presentation of your uh of The Proposal so thank you for taking such diligent uh time to do this thank you thank you

uh well thank you Mr Mancini I appreciate that really thank you Mr tiger thank you appreciate that we're doing the best we can with the project

all right um so the item number five under old business um this is regarding the expansion of the Highlands local historic district so to bring um Jonathan and Ashley up to speed up so in the city we have our national register districts there's several of them across the city uh one of them being a Highlands National register district and then we have within the highlands National register District we

have the highlands local historic district which is under Mass General Law chapter 40c and that basically um gives the authority of a local Municipal board which is us purview over any changes to the architectural character that is seen for any structure that's within that District that's seen from a public way um we do have um there are some exclusions for example we can't approve or deny an application

based on paint color that sort of a thing but we uh same thing with Roofing color but we look at Material changes um if a homeowner these are all homes in this particular District so if a homeowner is looking to replace say wood siding with vinyl things like that that has to get reviewed by us so it has to be in keeping with the historic nature of the neighborhood and um the architectural character of the

house and earlier in may we published a series of sorry a design guideline and this was in collaboration with the Fall River preservation Society we did receive funding CPC funding to create this so I will have physical copies for you um it is available online but it goes over everything regarding caring for a historic building right down to the general makeup of it if you're going

to do any work it's a good guideline a good tool so at our last meeting or in earlier in August we have voted to create a study committee to expand that local historic district there are 40 48 there were 47 one of the properties was subdivided so there's 48 structures in this District that are under our purview for any exterior changes and the the hope with the creation of any local

historic district is ultimately they will expand um and or we can create other historic districts local historic districts in the city and there are a ton of benefits for the creation of a local historic district one of one of them being it does prohibit insensitive development from occurring in a neighborhood that has been very well cared for for example if a house has it's a multi-family and they want to put they

need to put a fire escape that would have to go into the back of the house so it doesn't disturb the authenticity of the exterior of the building um so we have voted to expand the district and so I did reach out to Corporation Council for guidance because I wasn't sure if we needed to be voted in or sworn in and appointed and because the Massachusetts historical commission they indicate that with

um because we already have a local historic district we are the study committee so even um we voted on this earlier in August and any members who join the board afterwards are involved in the the study of this of this District um and so I reached out to Jen Doherty who is the uh she's in charge of local government programs with Massachusetts historical commission um so regarding the steps so once we

have the study committee going um the first step is to engage the public support so we're looking at an area around the existing district and I'll jump onto my computer in a minute um that is a candidate for expansion of the district so they she recommends sending out a letter a survey letter indicating the pros and cons of being added into a local historic district um there is a big difference between being

listed on the national register versus being in a local historic district um so with a national registered district and I and we can go we all know about this it's it's more of a an honorary title being listed on the national register Fall River has the benefit that we have a demolition delay ordinance for six months if any historic structure in the city is to be demolished they have to meet with us

there's a six-month delay before they get their demo permit so it gives us time to go over Alternatives um and with a local historic district we look at every aspect of what's going on with that proper at least on the outside that we can see from the street um so um what I was intending to do tonight and I'm going to jump on my computer um to look at

um just to give you an idea of the area around it and the historic resources and then to look at um composing a letter that would ultimately go out and we can have Carrie uh in licensing um at least help coordinate this and get this out to the homeowners or property owners and it's a survey so they will ultimately mail it back we would get public we would have an idea and it's completely Anonymous

if whether or not they want to be in included in the district um and so in the packet that I gave you there's a small there's two things so she did recommend with the mailer there's this small packet it's called there's a difference um and this would be printed this is from the Massachusetts historical commission they recommend sending this out they did put this together so it discusses the

differences between a local historic district and a national register historic district um and what the um the pros and cons are and so this would get included and then in addition to that um this is just a small snippet from the establishing local historic districts this is a publication from the Massachusetts historical commission um so I did include basically it's from Pages 16 through I believe it's 29 regarding

I'm sorry uh yeah regarding getting started on the expansion so the first thing is gauging public opinion and building support they do have a sample letter in here along with a sample questionnaire um that is listed we have done this in the past or at least there was a study committee when the highlands Local District was initially established Connie I believe you were on that committee

was this similar to the exact okay um and so once we have those back then we move forward with um identifying the target area um and we can go big we can go small the highlands National register is district is quite large um I'm hoping that especially when it comes to writing up the forms the form B's the Formby is an inventory form from the Massachusetts historical commission it

basically is a survey of each individual building it goes over the um the current owners the current use the date of the building which in Fall River most of them are circa 1900 because a lot of the records have been lost um from fires and who knows what um and the architectural style condition um I believe it also goes into they've gotten more detailed it even goes into materials and even a chain of ownership

you need to have factual documentation um to like building records water or the Water Department Records that sort of a thing to back up this info and once we have those those inventory forms that's ultimately what we use to determine what how large of a district or what properties to include and not include um so and I think typically they do not with a boundary line they do not really want it to go

down the middle of the street although they will give some leeway we have to give enough of enough support as to why we want it running the boundary lines running down the middle of the street um but um typically it's um it's all one within one area if you're curious to see what a Formby looks like if you go on the Massachusetts historical commission website you can search on there and you

can search any property that's listed so it's kind of cool if you want to pull up a house that you know in Fall River and there's a there's a big need to have updated forms the highlands District the national register District was primarily surveyed in the 80s and those documents have changed a lot the the survey forms have really they've gotten more detailed um and so what was done back in the 80s

it's very simplistic in some cases they are using City Registries and no building documents whatsoever so so um when the 40c was created The Local District the formbs were updated yeah so that in that that in it in of itself is a big undertaking yeah it's a historical narrative is huge and all of this gets put together we will have public meetings so a homeowner will be will be able to indicate if they

want to be in the district or not we have to have once we have a Target neighborhood or a Target area um they will the homeowner the property owners will be receiving uh notices in the mail regarding the inclusion of their the proposal to include their property in the district um and then they will be invited to a public meeting that will you know they can we will go over the proposal

go over the pros and cons if there's any questions there will be questions um it we get a lot of questions let me ask the question what happens if they're not interested in being part of that but let's say you know you know within their neighborhood is they just get locked out or how does that work so with the creation of this district there were some homeowners that were opposed we explain

Ed so it was the preservation society that had done the study and when we got asked the surveys back um if someone was completely against it and uh I mean some people you can talk to right and explain what you're trying to do and then they would change their mind and you know they understood it better others were pretty firm um so we carved out our area accordingly to try to get it passed

so we didn't want it to fail the first round right so that's why we shrunk it down okay and because it goes before the city council and we didn't want it to we also want the buy-in from the owners right you know you don't want to do anything that's going to upset people and we were very lenient with plans as you can see like we don't dictate color like they do in Nantucket

or you know so that type of thing because somebody else is to answer your question the the Mass general laws for that are if District becomes a historic district whether you are approve or not you're in it okay okay once the city council approves it then you're brought right into the fold okay but as I as a listening to Connie and I and I was you know around with the other historic uh

you got to be a little generous right and you know you have to have a little consideration for your fellow neighbors and and the public in general so you make a lot of changes in a lot of discretionary choices so that you can appease the situation but to answer your question legally okay got it we uh I believe we need uh the requirement is two-thirds Council vote um so not every city councilor we just need two-thirds

um and as Rick said we don't need every homeowner if they're in the area um you know they're in everything is grandfathered in so if there's a house that exhibits you know superb architectural detail but it might have vinyl siding they get they get in um and there are a few houses like that um you know they may have had a modified um I'm thinking of the oh the house on High Street

um that had that brick arched uh porch so that was the porch was completely modified at one point or another but um when it was included that was grandfathered in um so if the homeowner were to change any of that um those pre-existing conditions that they want to replace the brick columns with um you know round Wood columns or something that might be more architecturally appropriate historically

appropriate for the house then any change to that makeup would have to be reviewed by us and uh very uh and that's Connie said we're very lenient homeowner has slate there are alternatives to having sleep there's rubber there's a rubber composite I believe um you know that's half the cost and lasts just as long um and same thing with Windows Windows is a hot button topic but um so

um I let's see Greg can I jump onto will that work okay yeah I'm just gonna move over here sorry just to give you an idea

it will show up on that one okay and I apologize the cable's not long enough

I think the TV might be asleep

okay um if you open where you're sitting in the drawer which one 's coming out

that says connection guide and source and no signal

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sorry we're having more technical difficulties the meetings don't do not generally drive like this no they're absolutely it's it's because I decided to introduce a hybrid platform tonight and also to use my laptop so that's why it's oh sorry well he did both at once so yeah you know But ultimately when we do have a public meeting with residents in that in that Urban Property Owners we will need to have this yeah

squatting like that I'd get stuck just show the map of the 14th

while we're waiting um there's the while we're waiting the sample letter um did you did you use exactly the simple letter no yeah we made modifications and also on the um the survey that we sent out what we did was we sent it out with the questions but in a um Lodge postcard style okay uh within a stamp on it to get more cookies yeah and so we eliminated envelopes um

we we said the survey form by itself just to get a feel of who was interested how big we could go and just to basically get a feel and get questions uh we had an event uh a question and answer event and we also sent that out to all the homeowners

emergency great idea yeah um potentially yeah ask about that I can ask Jennifer about that if that's a what other towns I've done yeah um with regard to the city website I I was told I can't link outside web pages to the cities page because of how they how it's uploaded yeah I believe they yeah I mean even the questionnaires have to be adjusted to to up to our community okay um and then the uh

the mailers that you sent out the first time do they the property owners returned with their address they were Anonymous so it was just addressed back to us you know how when did you know when a homeowner or property owner was against it oh it was clear they would make little remarks okay and with their address on it so they would say one of the questions was something like

um do you support like right here do you support the concept of a local if someone said no okay um sometimes it was just they didn't really know what what this was all about and so they just needed to you know we ended it with you can call us you know with questions so I would think that we should have a yes no or undecided well that's what's here you know like

yes no yeah not sure but would like to find out more yeah and and some that were very much against it once we reached out to them um they changed their mind did they have this sort of information yeah we did we we presented twice actually we presented um informational sessions that they were all invited to and I'm the original survey like when the survey went out they had like the backup to

kind of read so before the survey went out we had sent out that information survey kind of found when we have a public hearing would we invite the existing homeowners to who are already in the district because I mean even if we specifically invited a couple who have been very supportive and helpful like Aaron and maybe hearing it from one of the homeowners instead of from us maybe it would make

them feel more comfortable yeah yeah no that's that's a great idea because we have there are a number of homeowners properties that are the district since it was created so the 40c district was established uh nine years ago in 2014 um and give you an idea in the grand scheme of other other communities around us problems event for Newport were very new to establishing a local historic district where other

communities have a number of a number of protected districts but hundreds if not thousands of properties listed at Newport is a Powerhouse Providence has so many lhds New Bedford New Bedford is another one so I don't know how yeah we're still fairly new to yes and as the committee moves forward you know there'll be a lot of discussion but there's also small Gatherings the small groups you could

get a group of four or five homes somewhere and that could become a part of a District Individual buildings can be its own District exactly as MHC will refer to it so if there's one building that was that exhibited you know all the criteria and was determined to be a local historic district it has to be approved or at least brought up by the municipal board and then approved by city council but yeah

so it's very generous in acquiring properties and then again this is this form is just a yes or a no but putting in the undecided or uninformed or something of that nature would say well you know there's a possibility to be able to reach out and School them on the subject apologize this is taking yeah we could attempt this another time um and while we do that and then that way we can

want to check with Greg and then table it yeah or at least um I can bring up the map another time but at least we can work on the letter and then go over the target area I will um also if it helps I'm gonna dig out in the cardboard boxes somewhere sure the ones we used back then that maybe you know we can expand upon it works update okay I reinvent the wheel yeah

and I could send um I can the other thing too I could I could just do like a a screenshot and send it for your review we can do this at the next meeting because at least you have an idea of the districts and so on so Massachusetts historical conditions so they have it's called macros it's the tournaments Massachusetts cultural resource inventory survey I think and so they have a map

program with their website very handy and it shows boundary lines of all the historic districts whether it's National or local historic and then it has all the individual properties you can click on them you can pull up their inventory form most of them are going to be outdated because the city was surveyed in the 80s but you will get a sense of you'll see visually where the local district is in

comparison to the broader National register District so it is it's the current lhd is very small compared to the highlands National register District so and we can use we can go big or small depending on how the target neighborhood or resources we want to look at um so and I have my you know I have my thoughts as to where we can look but um that's cool this is our final attempt yeah

are there any questions from anyone so far um

okay this is typically watching a lot of boil yeah I love technology um would you like a motion a table list yeah let's do that yeah let's do that um Greg we're going to table this all right all right sorry thank you no no no I'll coordinate with Alex um thank you but now you know they have a long one yeah or maybe like a printout instead um nope that's theirs all right so I do apologize

no cords um all right so yeah if you uh Connie if you wouldn't mind trying to locate so yeah no I will okay and then we can at least take a look at that and we can doctor up a letter um or draft up a letter a survey letter and then um I will coordinate with or I'll ask Harry what we can do from the printing office uh here yeah um I believe they do postcards so

um yeah excellent bless you thank you I'm sorry so any do we want to table this until or because there really wasn't anything really to vote on at all it was just the normal the next steps with uh yeah okay um and I will have um the whole packet uh the booklet for everyone um at the go ahead from the printing office um great okay so regarding that um so under new business we had nothing

um and for open discussion does anyone have anything that we should be bringing up at the next meeting at the next meeting I'd like to bring up the um address and the watch situation what's going on oh French Rock and French Rock and French um the address is 79.

is it 79.

I I know which house it is but yeah I'll look up um so it's that little side porch I thought they were coming she yeah she was going back and forth with the um insurance company which I believe she finally got okay as long as you know that yeah yeah um the contractor the last time that she gave us notice about two months ago she was using your contract Cottrell yes

he knows that it's in a historic district yep I'll reach out to her and ask her for an update on that um and then thank you yeah the house number is 710 by the way thank you if I'm looking at the right one 710 Rock yes yeah thank you um all right anything else I need to be on the next agenda I can maybe we can get it give you an update on the

form bees that are going on the phone bees on steep Brook okay that is for Steve Brook and the bio Reserve um okay well look at that and hopefully we will have we'll get this going again next week and or not next week and we will probably have um uh hopefully by then we'll have an update regarding item number two regarding 229 Highland Ave so it I believe they're just in the process of finalizing that so

um okay um any questions any concerns thoughts or anything like that um and then I normally I do prints a lot or sometimes the documents are quite large actually as Rick pointed out when we met with Epsilon last year for their tax credit app they gave us was about 150 pages I was not printing that um so I send everything in the link where we're able to open any file okay perfect so if ever

there's any I will always have paper backup here if when we meet in person but otherwise it's all passed through email um and yeah sometimes the files are just a little too large I can't put in an email form um okay um so it is 658 so our next meeting will be held uh Tuesday October 17th 2023. it is 6 58 p.m making a motion to adjourn the meeting second

you have a motion by Connie and a second by Rick we'll call vote Elizabeth yes Joyce to adjourn yes thank you Rick Rick Mancini yes after reading my notes Here Ashley yes Connie yes Jonathan yes excellent and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes all right thank you very much