9.28.2023 Redevelopment Authority

foreign like to call the order of the meeting of the Fall River Redevelopment Authority Wednesday September 27 2023.

this meeting is open to the public to attend in person at the above the referenced date time and location which is now a recording of the Open Session can be viewed at Fall River government television www.frgtv.us person um sorry a person went through the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any

medium attendees are therefore advised at such a recording or transmission are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible we're going to start out with a roll call with John Erickson here the Wisconsin's here Ron russin here Aaron Keane here here so joining us on the big screen is Joan welcome back Joan uh thank you Ken

phiola our executive director Sarah page and Karen Martin project coordinator uh Johnny you have to specifically mentioned that there's a member attending remotely because yeah in case you haven't figured out Joan is attending remotely up here tonight no John isn't going to be here tonight uh Open Session it's on those minutes if not I'll entertain a motion to approve those minutes so move second yes

Joan Medeiros yes so you'll get a look at

the emotional movement second yes Ron rouson yes Joan Medeiros yes okay Sarah do you want to do the uh audit update sure so we are happy to say that Karen uploaded all the information that's needed for the audit and all that um the auditor is waiting for is information from the retirement account and she has a strategy to deal with that in case in case she isn't able to get that and

so we're going to be deeply in this audit in October and hope to get it to you at one of the next meetings to look at okay um Karen did you want to talk to that supplemental drainage yeah so some of the things have been going on at City Pier we did complete the supplemental drainage work that was done as of September 14th um the engineer went out and took a look

at it there is just a couple little areas where um de Silva's got to go back and do a little bit of hand grading I'm supposed to get that sketch hopefully it's in my mailbox now and Tim should hopefully be out shortly thereafter when we get it to just tweak it a little bit the grass looks like it's growing back nicely from what he's replanted so that area should hopefully be a big asset and it does

look like we have had a little bit of rain in the past couple of weeks it does look like it makes a big difference with um draining from the from that South Center section of the pier and so it looks like it was in general a successful project and then I can continue on with some Doc updates uh right now the docks we are pretty much nearing completion some of the outstanding things remain there just um

fine-tuning the the fence along the existing concrete um uh Edge and the dock itself is all in the only thing that needs to really be done on the dock of the pile caps which they're hoping to get in this week there is still hope that they come they're all awarded they measured all the piles and I think they're within like a half inch in the diameter so they should look a lot better and the um the

ones that the the Final Fence is all set in place in their temporary setup will come out and the camera installation is supposed to start next week we are meeting with him tomorrow um on the site just to walk it through and double check everything but he's planning to be out there next week to put the cameras in and I think hopefully we will be done and have substantial completion within the next few days so

it's all imminent is that dark planner being used this year or technically the Boating season ends October 1st but um not looking good no the barge did leave last week so that was good um so it's now all open water it's nice to walk out there um and oh the only other thing that I did talk to the engineer about doing is the seagulls like to land on the piles

now and once we put the pile caps on they won't have that ability but the top of the Gantry is flat and that may end up being a spot that they want to land on I had we hadn't ever really considered that during the design phase so I talked to him about either putting maybe some nixolite which is those spikes up there or something because otherwise if they land on that and poop again on people

so that's kind of kind of um so he's looking into that and he's going to get back to me with some potential options for that I also a bunch of them what location yeah she's like as you're going down the gangway you'll see that the um the um the Gantry which Rises the thing the very top that steel beam it's flat and I'm pretty they're pretty smart though seagulls so I'm assuming that they will

eventually find that to be a nice landing spot once we once we put the pile of caps on so are we not opening up at all um well we didn't have insurance until today which I'll talk about in a little bit so that was the other hindrance um and we also don't have a Harbor Master there's an interim guy who doesn't seem to be too into Harvard Masters out indefinitely and we don't know but he's

so you sure about that as a Friday I I heard differently but you heard he was bad I heard that he's yeah that he was coming back shortly or he's back in any event I think college and tomorrow I would call the mayor's office and ask about that um but in any event I would um I think it'd be a shame if we can't get some dockage this year because even though

the the weather the Boating season goes as long as the weather conditions yeah what is that really yeah it's usually April 1st to October 1st we just put that Doc and people want to tie up to it right yeah and actually we're supposed to be already open right it was right so I usually just see if there's some way we can actually facilitate it um you have a couple weeks or so it starts

getting cold and rainy and yeah yeah because I think people you know it's we got the cleats yeah you know like they're all there yeah they're everything that's pretty much ready to roll do we have um the signage for the gate no

no like two days from now in theory okay so speaking of the um Pantry I need um a motion to um direct the chair to approve um we need we've been using the gc's uh chain fall to raise the gangway so we need to buy around and I just need a motion to direct chair to prove up to 2000 to purchase one for our use yeah we got a quote from

um Coastal they're going to supplies the Gantry the shackles and strapping and um it will put it through as a change order number two on the contract so so and it's going to end up being roughly just under probably two thousand dollars

needed up to two thousand so second John Erickson Yes Lewis Kansas yes yes Joan can you hear us yes okay um yeah yeah so I was just going to give an update on the maintenance so um one of the things that did happen since our last meeting is we had a leak at the backflow preventer on the water meter it was um a lot leaked out before we were able

to get the water turned off and get it repaired there's no alarm system the way it is now and the way the water meteor enclosure is located um it's right in the middle of that main planting bed near where the big um the main panel is on the project so when it leaks it leaks into the ground you're not necessarily seeing like water all over the place until it's saturates

that area and leaks out so tomorrow when I'm meeting the um the the camera guy he's a security company I was going to have him look and see if there's any type of he believes he can install like a um a Wi-Fi alarm that would would probably send a text message that something's wrong and we can get down there a lot quicker than having somebody just randomly report it and go through a lot of

communication before we get to the the right people to get the water shut off so um and what happened was we had to end up replacing the first check on the backflip preventer but it's repaired and it's been fine since so um so we'll see what that entails and what the possibilities and what he'll recommend so I'll probably have something for the board for the next meeting on that but we're hoping that

that that would be helpful um and we are still we while we we still have the irrigation system charged but obviously with the rain it hasn't been really needed but we're using it to sprinkle the new grass that's coming in from the supplemental drainage where I'm going to hopefully get with the landscaper I have a message into him to meet me over at the pier tomorrow and look at just reseed in a

couple of the areas that you know due to some of the heavy traffic like where the food trucks were on the geotarf just kind of getting some seed in there so we can get a head start for the spring so I have I reached out to a bunch of the um I reached out to like four irrigation companies um one being the people that installed it but they're not being very responsive

and the most responsive and I think the one who's really taking the time to go out and take a look at it and really that I have confidence that he knows what he's doing is this PNG irrigation and he will likely be the one that we have um do the closeout in the startup in the spring so um and he's just waiting for my call on that and then um the other thing is we've um

the landscaping irrigation that's preservation what was that the passive Asian that's coming that's no that's coming up Sarah's gonna jump on that one we have to get the um the container right so one of the other things that we have to do is we've got a bunch of spare parts for the dock and um working with Ken and then Kenny over the state Pier we've got them in an area that um is

um under Kenny's domain over at State Pierre um one of the things that I went down and talked to DCF they remember we talked about putting a Conex box out there and they had hemmed in hot at the price of um a new conics box so they were looking to get a smaller unit from Granger that you can assemble in the field but I was like wait hold on now we have a bunch of

spare parts like we have um composite decking material we have pleats we have a bunch of the bumpers and now we're going to have these chain rainfalls and straps and things like that that we're going to need a little bit of the placement so we discussed going half and half on the Conex and his price was um close to six thousand dollars to drop it in place so we'd be looking at

probably like three thousand dollars and they'd probably store like they'd probably take half of it and they'd put their chairs their tables and some barricades and then I talked to them about building some potential actually they have some steel shelving they might be able to put in there but some either wood frame shelving or something that we could just slide the slats on and get

some you know storage for the spare parts and that way it's easier accessible if we need something in a hurry other than that we'd have to get Kenny down the state here and it just makes it a little bit logistically easier um you're gonna put that on site yeah that was when we talked about putting up near the Duvall Street with the South walkway starts South Side walkway starts and that one hour

um and so the split on that would be like roughly three thousand dollars so what about when we talked about painting it yes that's still gonna that would still happen regardless you're going to be like an artist thing um I think it was one that we would they were going to look to one of the youth groups that yay I think it was he was talking about using so are you splitting it with um DCF

DC facilities facilities yeah so the facilities people it's just a hassle for them to to bring the tables the chairs and the barricades every time there's an event and this way if they just keep them right there it's an easy open Easy close and we're going to provide the lock they've already got a key to our Master Lock anyway so it should be hopefully and easier more efficient system did they agree to three thousand

it's a it's an area to me that I think should be open I think it's gonna not look right can you have the an app where you have I didn't bring the map no but it's right I think about it at the left it's right right where that you know what I'm talking about where the walkway is in the South intersection it's right behind where that fence already is there they're pressure

treated Timber fence right there so it's right tucked in that corner there was Gap going water that we put the metal um we fixed it with metal that corner on that corner yeah that's pretty close to the walkway it is yeah yeah I don't know I just think aesthetically I'm not sure yeah I agree that but if it's painted painted graffiti graffiti yeah I'm thinking that stuff no I meant I meant

to get it before the taggers well but you know there's no there's no assurance that it's not going to be tagged at any point now you got something that's going to be a maintenance issue um I don't know to me they haven't hit the um irrigation covers or anything yet so no no but that's it's always a concern I don't know it's I to me um I don't know yeah I mean the problem is that they're

paying overtime for people to come and pick up all the chairs and tables at the end of events and there's a lot of schlepping things back and forth and if it were on site it would make things a lot more efficient that's that's the reasoning that's where this all came from now it could be you know you got a beautiful park right how big is the Box it's a 10 by eight that's pretty big

10 feet long but it's in the most benign location on the property but it's in it's in that grass area right yeah right um could it be fenced in and how about we have to open the door you can do anything we could do anything we want to to it really I mean we could put strawberry around it we could we just have to have one end of it open that's all accessible to be opened

he could do whatever we wanted that's awesome I think it's a little subject to handle itself you can't have a lot yeah it wasn't it really are I think it'll work out well otherwise a spare parts thing could be an issue so I guess the the decking is short enough that it would fit in there the extra day yeah there's like seven foot pieces has 10 foot long it lengthwise how tall um I think it's

it's 60 something this is the one right something more yeah yes yeah yeah right there I don't think any of us love the ideas so why are you so I don't understand why we're not using the same here we can use the stape here but we're not going to have easy access to it but a 24 7.

and it's just a matter of we don't need as much as DCM needs it right because we're just that's right so it's not that we're doing it for us we're doing it for DCM except that it works oh you can work out now that it works out nicely for us we can put all our spare parts it would just spare parts of the pier and be comfortable in ccm's issue right so I would just

discuss this to me you know we put so much money into that Pier I'm just not sure that they're having a big box there is what aesthetically we want to accomplish and I understand the issue but DCM you know where the city does this all over the city dcms is all over the city they're breaking down they have concerts in the Parks throughout the summer so they're just doing that as a matter of course of action

right but they're trying to actually put boxes in all those places now and how's that working out I think it's I think they're gonna do it it sounds like I don't know I know I'd be well I don't I shouldn't say I don't know about you know I'm talking to Al that's what their plan is their bikes I mean if it becomes a problem I suppose we could always remove it but

we're going to put a uh yeah that's it right there right so you when you're walking that walkway there's a place you actually touch it or is it open up where you don't know well we wouldn't hug it up right to it we were gonna put it was going to be stepped away so you could get around it if you ever needed to yeah graffiti everywhere now my wife is a notice of a graffiti everywhere let's

hit that how we're going to hit that now so we'd hate to have them hit that that's for sure and then tagging usually historically they don't tag things that are um been painted but now they're tagging them painted things you know because there's a lot of yeah it has done these service boxes and that was really nice it's been nice time to see those tags eight I just you know we're gonna have the

Route 79 improvements there we're going to have this gigantic walkway it's going to be nice but it's just going to be nice and I'm just not sure if this is but I'm listening show called I'm just yes we could hide it and fence it in some way if it's needed that much no I wouldn't there's no other spot that I would even consider on the pier is it tables and chairs table chairs

yeah that's what they do they boot these things around otherwise we'll be storing things there for everybody the stuff we're storing is stuff that we don't need very often right it's more well the only thing would be that we might need the chain Falls more often with the shackles and the straps and stuff it's hard to tell a little bit that thing will go up and down based on Storms and

seasonal needs so how much space is that they go so we've got a little Tackle Box on the side no these chain Falls probably you know and then you've got the probably I think we're getting 10 feet of chain on it and then we've got the straps and the shackles are probably that big yeah but we're not replacing that every week no no no that's maybe once or twice a season if that depends it depends on

Storms yeah I mean that's and they're not bringing tables and chairs all year round so no it's a seasonal problem I hear you with the Aesthetics and once we you know we'll be taking that wooden railing down and all of that will get redone in that area so and that's actually right where we're talking about is where Mass DOT has an easement on our property while they're constructing the pedestrian and like walkway

so do we want to think about this more everything we go down to Wall Street when the wall Street's finished you don't want to be going by area and seeing a beautiful thing and then one thing always be intact I've never thought about it but now I'm starting to think about it so I mean here's the other thing you can think of I mean that's going to probably be four years down the road potentially yeah and

um at that time there's a Conex box we can put it actually on the Conex pad if we decide we'd find a different storage system or a better system and then make that into the what we wanted it to be there's some type of a ice cream thing or some type of a vendor thing yeah but I've been down there for events I don't see tables and chairs I think they bring

them every time that was the whole reason why they would yeah they're like six of them yeah it sounds like we're talking hundreds right no it's probably quality it's stuff that you put they're going so DCM or whoever's putting on these events have to be there anyway to break it down if the overtime's the issue they're already on over time right so if you're doing an event that's

at night and then you've got tables and chairs set up in DC I'm splitting them on there they're going to be breaking those down so we're not saving on overtime they just it's just a question I know what's been happening is people have been comings this

the people who are there are mostly Manning the Porta-Potty area and um their brands their children have to come down to break it down yeah so they're still there for overtime the question is whether they're breaking them down and putting it on a Conex box that's on site or they break it down putting it back in a truck that's going to drive back to Government Center to start that's the only difference

the plan is to let them be the ones that are breaking it down I think it's going to be the people they're putting on the events that's a whole other issue right right that I'm not sure who who asked for it initially I don't remember El Oliveira the head of facility and one staff person and uh trying to find every way to make things more efficient for facilities I can't believe he has one staff person

yes and that's it there's plenty of people that work for these together for DCM but they don't work for

leaving with them just to figure everything out that would be my my suggestion yeah maybe we can come up with some other idea what about the building where they do the the sailing and all that that's heritage I would just have a meeting with them just to ferret it out a little bit more just to figure it out said it's part of this it does look beautiful when you drive by

it does if you look at right inside it looks beautiful it doesn't look it looks very very nice and you probably really notice this eight by ten is pretty big I know how big they are but you would notice it right if you're driving a bike well you'll notice that there's a so there's already a three foot high railing and then you're gonna have um the top of a box coming up and I mean

granted depending on whatever happens with Route 79 and all of that it would be a whole different ball game but that's four years down the road and we could make a different accommodation for it then well you still see it now even though it's available if you wanted to I mean we can we can Shield it however you want how's the board feel alone anyway any ideas yeah I mean I'm not

crazy about the visual of it I just wonder if there's another way to um we don't need it's not necessarily us we could fit our stuff in like a something down down by the oh you're gonna need something probably at least eight feet long for the composite boards

and figure it out a little bit more I'll see what he's doing in the Box to see all that other stuff you know like this is yeah those areas yeah I just think we gotta maintain the quality of what we've produced that we've done though man I guess even if you've been just thinking out loud but even if we shielded it with uh Greenery it'd still need a gate to get in

and you know I mean you still have to have a one end open oh yeah you definitely have to know for sure yeah yeah okay maybe we can talk with Al about it and just table it for now and it's not not crisis or anything but right now right no especially with the season but we're coming up against so I mean we're not we don't have a lot of more events so

all right well that sounds good we'll dig into that a little bit more um do you want to update us on the insurance Karen uh yes so we just got a proposal today from um our insurance agent um Paul Burke and he was finally able he went to a marine um ensure and he was able to get everything as one plan that covers all the City Pier parcel and the docs and

um for one year the premium is twenty five thousand eight hundred dollars and it gives us general liability with the five thousand dollar uh twenty five hundred dollar deductible um up to a million dollars and two million uh on Aggregate and for damage to the peers and wharfs um up to 658 000 with a five twenty five hundred dollar deductible I mean a five thousand dollar deductible twenty five

thousand dollar deductible if damage is due to wind flood or wave action twenty five hundred five thousand twenty five dollars and three numbers which one is it it's five for the peers and Wars it's um five thousand dollar deductible except if it's win flood or wave it's 25 000 deductible and then for the liability it's a 2500 it's a twenty five thousand dollar policy yes that's gonna be yeah yes and

he looked everywhere and he was turned down over and over and he find it because by adding the docs um the insurance company that has been ensuring the peer would no longer insure it and so we had to find a company that would ensure the docs and the peer and so he went to a marina insurance company but he had told us a year ago that it wasn't going to be easy to

ensure City peer and at that time he said maybe you should give CD peer to the city because it's going to be so expensive and so it wasn't a surprise that it came in so expensive because he'd been predicting that but he we were getting really scared because he was trying and trying and he couldn't find insurance and we can't open the docks without insurance what was the policy before it's just liability how much um I

do I do not remember what that was and it was combined with our other property it was just a

of the breakdown um like 20 000 of that whole cost is for the for them yeah and the issue with the docs is that they're transient dockage without anyone overseeing them and so the fact that they're not overseen makes them more um difficult to ensure but that but that also includes property damage it does it's a liability and property market so you've got a liability portion which also have

damaged by a hurricane or or something right so and it basically a wider Redevelopment Authority wants this and it's built is there a reason why we want this and the bill is we you're saying we can't give it to the city well do we that's a whole other discussion the question is do you want the city to maintain the City Pier you want the city to be responsible for the cleanliness yeah

grass cutting the looks the snow removal the plantings the TLC the oversight I think if there's an argument to be made the city's staff has stretched just maintaining the existing talks that they have so I think here it was at least a decision made too try to maintain it to see what it was and then at some point generate some revenue from the use of the PA to offset these costs yeah and I

don't see no income coming in but right So eventually it's going to be it's not a good investment there's got to be a revenue source to there's going to be some sort of Revenue at some point but now with this we haven't even had it open for a year yeah yeah there was discussion of water taxis operating off of the pier you could have ferries you know small ferries you could have a

variety you could also license the peer to a firm that brings in various things so that's what Chelsea has done with their peer and so there's a lot to look into um and I just don't think we're ready to make a decision that 25 000 puts us into giving the pair away yeah and that discussion like we had it early on exactly what you're asking I just don't know where the money's coming

from so for instance when you have food trucks down there percentage of the sales right so there's different ways you can start generating income yeah that's how they that's how they do it like Ken was saying earlier too that it we've been keeping it looking pretty pretty good yeah it was nice I can't tell you how many compliments I hear yeah about how nice that Peter looks right but that's because

it's planted correctly it's maintained correctly and it's tended to right right I'm sure Tom don't appreciate that with his name on it too I'm sure he does I thought I saw him cutting the grass and that's one thing the whole issue of how the whole um Duval Street Corridor and the pier and the parks are going to be maintained over time and kind of what they are linkage to the whole 19 acre development

is going to be that's all going to be addressed in the master planning process so you know there's just time to try to figure all this out in relationship to the fact that there's a huge new development coming I know yeah um so I do need a motion to uh direct the chair to pursue for this insurance policy that we I think we just got it like today right yeah yeah yeah it's starting today

um it's not found yet I'd have to buy I have it if we approve it I have a check here that's operate tomorrow and it'll be bound motion to move that would go with the insurance that was found for approximately twenty five thousand dollars second second generation yes the Wisconsin yes Rod Russian yes Joan Medeiros yes thank you um oh uh Sarah passivation so we had the passivation uh our or ifb out um

and it was a short turn around the only company that did was Stuart Dean the group that has already done the railings so far and um we asked them to bid on 825 linear feet and the surfaces of the three big utility cabinets and so what that would do is cover the whole south facing uh length of the pier toward the bragged bridge and um this south side of the north Pier it

would then leave the whole North Pier by the docks to be done in the future and their bid came in at 64 735.

well for yeah probably half of the railings

so we're going out tomorrow to meet with them and what they do is they put a preservative to protect the stainless steel on the railings which is what has made them so shiny and looking so good um but that was not in the specs and there's kind of a lot of discussion with the engineers about whether that's a wise idea and so that's what we'll be talking about tomorrow which engineers

for beta yes it's really coming from SGH and the ASTM standards and the ASTM standards don't specifically talk about a stainless steel preservative but what's challenging is nobody is guaranteeing that the passivation will maintain them for long um you know there are no guarantees at all for my next question yeah we spent 64 000 I mean stainless steel too so it's that's not supposed to

that's supposed to last by itself and then pasteurize on top of it you would think it'd last a while well the stainless steel will last the issue is this staining on it and corrosion and it's the kind of marine stainless steel you should have but it should have been passivated yeah and now we're in the position of passivating it on site which is harder and not necessarily as effective and that's kind of what we're

stuck with and we're trying to figure out the best way to do it I think when they pasteurize it they dip it they dipped the whole thing at once and it's a lot easier to do but if you're doing hey I'm going to brush it on a hobby they've already done a fair amount of significant amount I mean they've done a chunk of it well has anyone seen it lately yeah

it looks like they did it yesterday but it is I think it is what we ended up going the scope I think is more than half of what's left I thought it is more than half left yeah so there's a couple points so why aren't we doing the whole thing time and um we were breaking it into sections for a variety of reasons but it's mostly that um there's we've got to have it in before

it gets cold because you can't pass a vape you probably can't passivate by November and um the other reasoning was that if we had a firm that was only going to passivate we could at least try that out since we've tried out this process that looks really great but it has this preservative on it we could try something out to see if it was as good just passivated so we have a piece of

railing that we applied sunrise passivation and this preserver and the preservative and it's working yes so now we're going to do a p the section of railing the same way or a different way we're probably going to do it the same way it is that same way is that in that bid or is that you know okay no that's in there all right so we're doing it the same way yeah yeah except that the

engineers are arguing against that it's just that they the the the SGH guy that we brought on what I don't know a year ago or whatever yeah he wasn't familiar with that process and he emitted that right away so we looked at other projects that they've done that were similar and going you know going back decades that uh have have lasted so that we didn't really question their knowledge because they do this every day

so I think it's mostly that schgh is very very conservative and they weren't familiar with it so they're not guaranteeing it

we really weren't sure if we could get it all done I think it's you know uh this we kind of whipped this uh that bid together pretty quickly right but we're not going to leave a portion of this undone so we're coming back forever but this is but what about what what takes place to the section that's not done oh it just will wait until the spring yeah but how about when you pass

away then will will it look good enough through this winter to not yeah because it's different because it's like you're doing one thing at one time and what if this railing just gets destroyed in the meantime and then you're gonna pass away because look what looks like happened is it kind of reached a plateau where once once it had the initial corrosion on it the the um tearing it doesn't look like it's

getting that much worse so I I don't think it's that's a big concern we were worried about that we thought about it but it doesn't appear to be a problem is that what you're asking but part of the process takes that standing off yeah it's gone okay it should go back to looking what it looked like initially yeah it looks nice I think it loses asking he's worried about leaving it

longer some of it longer yeah she she she gets it like I'm saying how is it going to get this this part that's not getting done is it going to get worse until we until we meet that time where we do do it and then then what do you do then but she says that you're gonna scrub it back down it's gonna look brand new then they're gonna pass it there

that's the final step so they have to do a massive cleaning process then they do the passivation then they put this preservative on it right I didn't know they did the massive cleaning yeah yeah so so the next question the last question I have on this is have we approached beta for cost contribution for this since it's their mistake yeah we're they are contributing toward it okay and

so one half to sixty four thousand the other half was going to be 64 000 more all a little less no it'll be less because it'll be more than half dollars but what about the fact that it's going to be uh eight months later and things cost more yeah we will go back out to bid yeah you know what I'm saying the other thing is it may not be in our meeting tomorrow

we're going to see how long things is going to take to do the amount that's in and if it looks like we may have time in Mother Nature cooperates with us we'll try to get as much done as we can in this period potentially any chance of getting grants for this no no okay yeah I like free snow well I think the first experience of research should we hold in beta

accountable yeah right so I think you know hopefully they're contributing their maximum liability on this project right of 50 000.

then we already takes part of that I don't know I'm not sure do we already take part of that 50 000 for another thing they did wrong I thought it was like 16 000 taken out for something else yeah well they're contributing the fifty thousand okay yeah so at least it reduces our exposure right I think you might have been thinking of the drain age or yeah yeah so um I guess the other thing about these

numbers that we've been talking about is that we've already done probably a third or so so when you were saying half we've already done a third now we're doing kind of another chunk and then we'll have one chunk left okay with more or less yeah and it looks good the portion has been done is looks good um the master plan sir do you want to speak to that sure do you need a motion

to pay for that or no it was a bit yeah well we sometimes do we get emotions to accept a bid I mean we could reject this bid so I think we should have a motion to accept this bid right right all right

so do we have to agree for the chair to sign a contract right the motion to accept them and allow the chance to execute the contract so uh so I need a motion to direct me to sign the proposal for the bid motion for sure to sign proposal to spend 64 000 on pasteurizing approximately half more of the railing second second nursing yes yes

is the small screen okay the master plan so the master plan RFP went out we gave them about six weeks to respond their due on October 12th 40 companies have received the bid package which is great they're not all companies that would bid some of them are engineering firms that may want to be a part of a team it's a complicated enough project so there may very well be proposals with numerous firms doing pieces of it

two large companies that have done Waterfront Master plans and are very knowledgeable about master planning wrote and asked a number of questions and we've been working on answers to those and hope to get them out tomorrow I met with Dan the city engineer and Paul Ferlin the head of water and sewer and got answers from them about utilities and maps that they were asking about and so we're carefully answering their

questions and um we're really hoping that we get lots of really great proposals and we'll let you know at our next meeting where we are with all of that and then we're going to vote on it and bring it to the board we assume at the November 14th meeting is that an open bid seal bid or is it just opening and open it whenever you want it's uh we have to open them on

October 12th at 2 pm then the uh price bids will be in separate envelopes and we'll go through this whole evaluation process and after we've decided the firms that we're most interested in then we opened the price bids and decide what we want you know how that looks in the whole scheme of things do we have to go with the lowest bid no absolutely not for design a lot of times so it's qualification based first okay

so we then have this whole evaluation process with weighted aspects and so we'll go through a whole careful process and what we decided at the last meeting is that Johnny will appoint a board member to sit on our Review Committee and um that's still to be figured out

it's pretty exciting it is exciting try to visualize what it's going to look like people in the city are excited yeah where are we on a state allowing us to buy the land is that getting closer or a processes are having various discussions on that very well the various discussions on there oh yeah is it are we going to be in charge of it no we have no idea you know these out of

Peace have a disclosure that we don't get it that we don't have to pay them back all the work they've done I'm just wondering let's say that we do we we have everybody do these are a piece for us and they spend a hundred thousand dollars trying to set this up or whatever they spend it's your gift to the that your gift to the city yeah okay so it's not something we can be suitable suitable soon

right yeah we're just doing studies and then the thinking is that at least the city will have decided how they want this to look we could have changed zoning if necessary or tweaked it we can you know look at it comprehensively suggestions make suggestions we can't do anything right that's right big suggestions right right I'm just saying that the zoning board could take these suggestions and make decisions from

there um so yeah no nothing that gets put in a master plan is a decision it's just a suggestion but it will allow the city to make decisions allow the state to make decisions and just provide guidance for however it pans out everybody good with that we want to talk about the Earth yes the urban renewal plan for the Flint Italian bond is working on the documents for the meepa review we have November

16th as a Target date for a public meeting and we've been calling around trying to find a meeting space and we're trying to have it at the moment in the senior center community space on Alden Street in the Flint and I'm waiting to hear back from them and Emily our consultant is developing a survey that will be able to distribute the housing complexes and Ron is providing gift certificates so we can tell people that

they'll be in a drawing for a gift certificate if they return their survey and so that's all kind of moving along um the Waterfront herb yep so the amendment to the Waterfront urban renewal plan we've been talking about at a few meetings um the planning board took the votes that were required um to be done by the planning board and we're getting ready to submit our whole uh amendment to

um the executive office of Housing and Community and livable communities and we're waiting for a City Council vote the city council vote talked about it at the beginning yesterday and referred it to the finance committee the next city council meeting is on October 10th and so we will be presenting to the finance committee and it will then go to the um City Council on October 10th and

hopefully they vote to approve the amendment and we can send it to the state and then lastly the uh 2501 South Main this one's easy uh we closed on 2501 means of Maine children occupy their classrooms on September 12th I bumped into Ken pachico last night at the city council meeting and he came over and thanked us and said that it's wonderful and it's going really well and so that's all a really good positive story

Brooke

oh next we were going to talk about the service agreement with the city uh Sarah do you want to speak to yes so um the city said that they would like us to pay rent um and that had been something the Redevelopment Authority did years ago and uh they're looking at a price per square foot that um other entities that rent space in City Hall are paying and they're still

looking at that so I don't have a definite but the only thing that's hanging up the mayor from signing it is finalizing a rental payment and so um we're gonna try to do it by the next meeting right is that our is that our plan I really wanted us to vote on it tonight and be able to finalize this rental agreement you know this whole Services agreement with the city and

um we thought we were going to be able to so I guess the options for the board are to say that um a couple of board members could uh work with me to finalize the rental payment or we can bring it back to the October meeting yeah we just don't know where the rent's gonna be right like it's not even a range well I think it's probably between 7

000 and 9 000 a year a month a year a year yeah oh a year yeah it's really a very good animal it's a small office and I thought that was a lot because it was I thought six times that's a deal yeah yeah well we have and that's been we thought we had 540 square feet uh there's a number of 594 square feet that was in City Records that includes more uh

interior walls and so uh it's somewhere in there yeah so you got 540 but there's six inches all the way around inside the wall that do consider you own so that's why the other 54 square feet come from so right so five months 600 square feet say a pain less than 20 thousand square foot that that's yeah that's a good price yeah so we can um well so you want to do it without knowing the amount

yeah well we sometimes do is say that two board members will be empowered to make the final decision because you've got the parameters so I just need a motion to authorize the chair to engage in discussions with another board member to decide to agree on the rental amount I volunteer I know a little bit about it I was gonna if you were going to be my friend you're going to be my choice anyway so

all right so make a motion to with the Chia and one board member to negotiate the final results of the lease and allow the chair to sign it yes would be though so moved second John Erickson yes the Wisconsin yes yes John Medeiros yes um I don't know if we have anything is there anything else we want to kick around ideas we don't need an executive session tonight it's really great run let's try a motion

in German by 6 PM exactly that'll be the first time second Chad Harrison yes Louis gonzos yes yes