Community Preservation Committee 10 16 23

uh welcome to community preservation committee meeting held at the city council hearing room one government center Fall River Mass uh 6 o' uh you can watch the uh meeting through Comcast cable TV 18 or on the website or uh ww Facebook um pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium

attende is therefore advise that such recordings and Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible we'll start with roll call to my left Joan Bentley present Alexander Silva present John brand present Rick manini present Pig farus present and we have an attendance to Sandy Dennis Administrative Assistant forward TV Michael we're missing

appointee from the mayor's office appointee from the city council and an appointee from the planning board and the vice chair and we're missing our vice chair uh Christen olar uh any citiz input tonight no sens of input uh can I have a motion for approval of the minutes from uh August 21st I'll make a motion now we approve the minutes for August 21st second I'll second roll call Jo Bentley yes Alex

Silva yes John BR yes rck manen yes Vic Faris yes have to do roll call with no one on Zoom H do we have to do roll call with no one on Zoom uh a member okay no I don't think so uh can I have a a motion for approval of minutes September 18th 2023 I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of September 18th 2023 and I'll second that motion uh roll call vote

Joan Bentley yes Alex Silva Yes Yes Rick manen yes Victor farus yes okay next on the uh agenda is the for over Arts Association uh an extension if you guys come

up if you could just give us a little overlay of how the Project's coming so far and why you need to um that current Trident waterproofing is doing the um Granite work the lead work is done and completed the granite work should be finished by the weekend or early next week we have secured a contractor to do the porch repairs um we have Keta out of secont it's a small small contracting business

family own they were in they're working on the pricing they'll have that pricing completed by weekend or first of the week and that's I believe on on a Fishman um so we've asked for the extension because obviously couldn't get anybody in there sooner but it seems like all of a sudden it's St a rooll okay that's sometimes the way it happens Keta will be staying on to do the phase two

okay we're not you know so we've got contractors now that are going to be in place that are going to do the work on the property we have a plum who did the the lead service we have Keta who's going to do any of the outside you also have if the windows are on the next windows on the next Grant we we've also had an estimate and we've approved the

estimate for that okay um we also have a structural engineer who's come in um or who will come in I guess and and talk about um the lift part of the second Grant but we're looking to have an extension for the first grant just because we just we haven't had been able to get a contractor secured yet um but we seem to the grant at work looks beautiful I just took some pictures of

it today it looks stunning it it it absolutely looks stunning good the best it's the best of house has looked in a long time good good good uh does board have any questions I I do ah um no you can't so I was just wondering uh so your Grant was good is good until June 2024 is there a reason you're asking for the extension 8 months early or I thought it

was September I'm sorry I I miss I thought it was September I real no okay I I just didn't know if you are anticipating it was September of this year that I needed to make sure the money was spent I I anticipate that that the first grant will be um will be uh will be done for by June by June Anyway by by the time there but we came early

just in case cuz when we first wanted to come I wasn't sure if I was going to get a contractor and if it gets to be the winter they may not be able to do the porch in the win so I just two weeks ago got Keta he came down I talked to him last week and they're putting their price package together now so hopefully everything keeps moving along here okay

good good so do we need to Grant an extension if it the Grant's still good for8 months and you think that it'll be completed within that time or uh yeah I don't think we need to do cuz you're till June so cuz the extension is a 2-year extension that's little that's good to know that's good to know I thought it was only I was we were we were sort of like oh am I going

to have to do this now and is it a year let's hustle along okay yeah uh a war agreement must be completed by the completion date June 1st 2024 perfect yeah okay sorry we didn't catch that before that's okay okay that's nice to see you all again I'm glad to close to it just come back all okay glad to hear that the it's progressing and you find the contract see the granted I mean it's

it's stunning it really is stunning good branches yeah gentlemen and ladies appreciate you very much thanks you're welcome uh next is an extension for Fall River fire

Museum my name is Kenneth Ledger I'm representing the far OFA fire Museum um we're here to to ask for an extension um we are current we currently have two projects uh we have the roof and the down spouts which is one project um and the other one is for the windows okay um basically the one word answer um as far as the need for the extension was co co set us way back

um one of the things we had to do at that time was get an engineer um to do an engineering study for the for the roof before we could replace the roof yeah um so with with the the coid restrictions we that set us way back to be able to get that done we were able to get that done um and I guess there was a paperwork snafu when when the paperwork was filed

for the um the roof in the gutters it was followed up with a request for uh the window and somehow or other the same language that was submitted for the roof and the gutters was used for the windows uh the window project and and the vestibule uh project so it it almost looked like it was the the same the same thing um it looked like it was um almost

like they did a cut and paste and and they didn't uh put the right information in for the for the um the windows and the vestibule so we have to resubmit that um I guess for the um not for request for proposals but to get the the contractors for that okay um we have been doing a lot of work down there um uh this summer we were able to complete uh a complete painting of the Interior

on the first floor um we completed an ADA Compliant bathroom on the first floor we installed an ADA compliant door with the push button uh uh mechanism so it opens and closes um we put in an ADA Compliant uh parking area with a walkway to access that door so there has been a tremendous amount of work that's been going on um and again unfortunately uh due to uh circumstances beyond our

control we we have to come before you and ask for an extension at this time okay does the board have any questions uh so how much of the the dollars have been expended approximately half I don't have that figure at this time I'm sorry I didn't come with that uh with that information I can get it for you but I don't have it with no I was just just just general information as to the

progress of the project also mhm I have one uh how long of an extension you looking for we normally do a two year ex whatever is whatever whatever you uh grant us we'll we'll we'll work with that okay any other I I just have one thing I saw an email that had come from cotex saying that the architectural fees haven't been paid yet I'm not aware of that okay I do I do

I I usually write out those checks but that's not something that's that been handed to me to to pay so I'm not sure what the the what the holdup is on that um I'd have to get back to the president and unfortunately he's not around today he's away on vacation all right if you could look into he would have that information but I will look into that okay you can check with sand to to see

if it was submitted all righty um so no further questions can I have a motion for I just one and did you say what the status of the other Grant project was the second one the windows in the VES as far as I know the paperwork is being re Rewritten and it's going to be resubmitted I think that's something that the secretary was in terms of that scheduling you're not requesting an

extension for that one yet um I I they they might actually both be um be up for an extension no the other one was only uh last year so okay all right okay okay so it would just be the the the roof project in the down spouts at this time I guess that we're looking for okay so can I have a motion for Grant a two-year extension I'll make a motion

I'll second it uh roll call Jo Bentley yes Alex Silva yes John BR yes rck Mani yes B defus yes okay thank you very much and next brings us to the uh FY 25 eligibility hearings uh tonight when you come up uh you're just going to give a a brief description of your project uh we have all the information but uh what you're going to do is describe why you your

project falls in the c one of the four categories that uh you picked and um so nothing elaborate you don't have to worry about you know being asked a thousand questions on pricing and all that but uh do keep in mind this year we uh we have 14 projects in front of us which is 3.9 million request and we have 1.1 to pass out we did have up front uh other additional uh grant funding

mechanisms uh this year we're not getting any uh Surplus from the state last year we got a healthy almost 600,000 this year we're getting nothing so uh just to let you know that funds this year aren't what they used to be for us so we'll start out with uh the ho George H house uh are they here they're looking for repair and install original porch post railed and uh repairing exterior

doors painting interior windows house uh repairing a necessary clapboard as needed and you're looking for 105 so correct we're looking for a 50% match on what we're going to be putting in we have the uh original post time of the basement they're in fair condition um so they need to be kind of pulled out and rebuilt bu um including the railing the post and whatever is missing rebuilding those customizing

that and then that's done obviously painting the outside the house okay I did see you got a letter from the historical commission now this is private right it's private correct okay and you're on and you're on your historical registration um okay questions from the board the matching amount is that private donations or is that an award the amount that're be putting our own money okay

the 50% matching is your own money so Bic we're expecting uh kind of fact a little bit over what what we got quoted so far obviously for information on stuff so I think in total about 210 okay so and you'll be following the secretary standards condition for uh doing the building which you'll know you'll get a uh 30-year deed resp restriction on so okay all right it's a multif family house too right it

is how many how many apartments in there there's six units six units okay all righty uh any questions no uh can we have a motion to move this project on under a historic uh preservation to the next round I'll make that motion that we move this project to Historic preservation second roll call Joan Bentley yes Alex Sila yes John brt Yes Rick manen yes Victor Faris yes all right thanks thank

you next is the andio school uh the second part phase they forn last year exterior restoration work above the existing roof line uh shall include removal existing uh deteriorated wood shingles and vinyl siding at nine original domers additional spot repointing original the looking for 160 uh 16,27 that's under preservation hi I'm Diane carer and vice principal at the Antioch School Mike Keen cotex

Architects um so what we're doing right now um we're supposed to start on the spring with the shingles um so when he came in with the estimate um realizing due to coid uh the estimate was a lot higher than we thought it was going to be um so it would cover the first phase covers the I guess you call it the roof line below the roof line right so everything above the granite Foundation to the

underside of uh the roof Edge really the the gutters and the soft it so that area um be completely resided with red seed of shingles which is part of the original you know Grant request um any of the original wood trim would be restored repainted recreated um so that contract amount ended up being uh just about what the grant amount was for $234,000 so um what we're looking to do

is retain him for the spring that's the earliest we can get on his schedule um so what this grant request would be would to finish off finish up the rest of that original contract which is everything above the roof line which would be the Dormers which would be the chimney repointing um I mean anticipating that the total amount is probably going to come in less than what we're asking for

but we've got to fine-tune that a little bit more with this contractor um I will say also um this some additional work that that Antioch is is going to take on on their own that's going to be outside of the grant request that they are going to fund so part of that is going to be uh to reinsulate or to insulate not reinsulate the all of the exterior walls okay so

that's a cost of about $14,000 to the school that they will incur outside of the grant contract um and also some rewiring actually is pretty it's more extensive than what we originally anticipated because um more more knob and tube wiring in the uh exterior walls than we originally thought so that's part of what they are also taking on too so during that interim period of time we're trying to phase it such so the

electrical work isn't happening while classes are going on so while there's there is a considerable amount of time between now and the spring there's still a lot of work that has to be done you know by the school um before that time the electrical is supposed to start within a week um so that will give us a guide point of um whether it it's going to be a month two months depending on

how long it's going to take um and then after that insulation will come in uh and we're hoping by Spring stop our insulation okay all right does the board have any questions they have they have no sow no sound yeah so it's just s

hold up a sign back say we see you okay uh does the board have any questions while we're waiting for that we should probably wait right to make sure the sound's fixed I have a question but okay is that a quick fix Mike yeah I should be okay we'll wait

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the previous scope of the last Grant award only or is there any additional scope no it's it's no additional work being requested so this is so this is all the the increase since the last estimates say there probably some of that that we could scale back um there's there's a line item there in there on painting I think it's the third bullet in on the quote M that I think we could

back out MH so I just need to work with a contractor a bit more to fine-tune what that final number is going to be okay but you know there's other work that they're not asking for you know that they that they're putting their you know contribution in um and for a nonprofit school like this it is may not sound like a big big undertaking but it is cost-wise for them so between the insulation and the electrical

work if I could just say something an ke from CeX as well um the reason they're doing the insulation now is that they can do it from the outside so that that it's done and in place before the new sighting comes in and they're not um insulating from the inside where they still have historic Interiors so makes sense that's why why the the choice to it now rather than later because we

don't want to mess the sighting up once it's installed yeah good point any other questions so can I have a motion to move this project on to a historic preservation I'll make a motion to mark this project is eligible under historic preservation I'll second that motion roll call Jo Bentley yes Alex Silva yes John brt Yes Rick Mani yes Victor farus yes now could I have a motion since uh

Civ here they have two other projects can we have a motion to take out of order uh chry The Rock Church and St Joseph's Church uh sure I'll make that I'll make that motion to take out of order Christ the Rock Church and St Joseph's Church seeing that it's the same presenter second that motion roll call toy B yes Alex yes John BR yes thank you Rick Mancini yes FIS yes you're welcome thank

you Mike Keen cotex Architects uh Rob Canan Christ the Rock Church okay uh you want to give us a little description uh on what you're proposing absolutely uh our church um was up for sale not that long ago um I took over as lead Pastor last year and we really felt like we wanted to uh keep the church as is and try to restore it so we've been slowly doing different things on our own with

our own funding but the tower it's self is a massive undertaking uh we we put down an amount of 500,000 but it could be to do the whole Tower could be well over a million dollars as seen by the the church down the street so we're just looking to start whether we can do one side at a time um Mike uh we got an engineer that's going to be coming out to kind of

give us an idea on that so we're just looking to see if we can get some funding we're looking for funding in other places as well we're also Al going to sell fund as much as we can being a small congregation uh impacted by Co has affected that as well um but we're we're paying Mike's fees um out of our own church pocket as well as the engineer uh so we're just looking for we put the

500,000 down but obviously anything will help towards that M I see you got a letter from uh historic commission yes uh what are the uh can you tell us how how how's it look for other grants coming in so far it's just me uh it's hard being a oneman show sometimes at a church so pastors wear lots of different hats so I'm trying to do the general contractor fundraising hat as well as uh

Shepherd my flock so um most of the ones that I've tried to go through you know we were denied because we're a religious organization or we're denied because um we don't meet their criteria so just trying to find the packet that Sandy gave me hopefully that'll help as well okay uh does the board have any questions I I do will you be able to um based on funding would you be able to

just do one side this year then do another facade the following year or as funds become available you can just do it one facade at a time yes excuse me so we're we are looking at that with a Mason as a possibility so we may have to phase this um but there is a substantial need need for that Tower to be restored not just for um you know to function for

the church but also as far as Public Safety as a matter of public safety um so there's a lot of spalling on the masonry there's been some uh repairs that have been undertaken over the years uh which are actually harming the tower more than doing good um I think you know I know they were done with good intent but um it's just not appropriate what was done as far as the more to type

um so we uh we did have a Mason go out there uh last week a very good and excellent uh I should say historic Mason that we've done work with in the past um so we're working with him in terms of getting a a proper estimate for for the work so um we're also looking at getting a lift so we can um do a closer inspection on the tower um and also

doing some drone investigation to is uh to do a better assessment of the of that structure thank you okay cuz that's what uh what type of is that like fied Stone the or grand yeah it's yeah and uh there's problems too with it there an efflorescence on the masonry uh which is very visible so uh I don't know it seems like a case they didn't wash the sand at the time but

they did the original structure um so so but that's another another issue there's Stone that's spalled so there's going to be some consolidation that needs to be done it's more than just repointing um but some of the stone arches will need to be restored using a repair mortar um so that'll have to be factored in into it as well okay any questions from the board not at the moment okay uh can I

have a motion to move this on to the next round under historic preservation make a motion to move um Christ the Rock Church to the next round okay do we have a second I'll second that motion Roo Jo Bentley yes Alex Sila yes John BR Yes rck Rick man yes rck P yes all right thank you thank you speak and next up is St Joseph's Church convert exist existing heating system

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gas and an Keen from cotx all righty now you have this under historic preservation correct um as you can see from inside that they've included the the macis information um noting that it is part of the national histor register so they're looking to replace the heating system but to do it in a way that doesn't take away from their historic nature of the of the church okay question so

what so the repair or or changing of fuels would be just in the boiler itself so you're not going to replace the boiler you're just going to replace the firing box or um it's a full boiler yeah I believe it is the full boiler okay is that and that's a steam system at this point and you're going to going they're looking to go from oil to gas fired so that they could still use the radi

and not and they'll retain the steam system rather than okay okay so my number one concern is just that this is not eligible under historic preservation um to be under historic preservation It generally has to be the exterior of the building projects such as upgrading the heating system for interior uses I don't think is eligible the only thing I've heard of is you know haax to remove you know

exterior air conditioners to improve the historic facade uh under historic preservation so I'm not sure what the rest of the committee uh thinks but as far as my understanding of the historic preservation category this would not be eligible I think there was at one time a discussion whether nonprofits were eligible for both inside and outside work that so I'm not sure if that ever

got determined or not but for historic preservation type projects well an example would be the uh fire uh station in central uh we put in central air uh to to help protect the building when we preserve the outside um this I'm not quite sure where it would fall under because we're not we are protecting the inside which is historic and the building so it's it's a tough one to uh to move on um it does I

mean there as a church they are involved with Community people coming into the church itself so um there is that Community aspect of it you have several different programs that you use for the public so whether or not that factors in I'm not sure that that would that would factor in I mean the community involvement in it yeah uh any other questions just just yeah I was going to say could we put either table this or

car table we have to to the next meeting we have to vote Yes or no tonight yeah well and then do some research you know don't disband it right away carry it through if we vote Yes does not mean we have to fund it right I mean we'll do more research as we move on MH um but it um would fall down on the list I mean so if it's the board to vote Yes on it

we can research it and see what else has been done with CPC money as far far as this uh project is concerned um but uh that's the best I can I conure with that can do some research my understanding is just especially since it's a private project that there's a higher burden to display the overall benefit to the community and um it's a higher burden of proof for the inside especially for uh like you know

when comparing it to exterior projects because you know this the street value to it that anyone can enjoy whereas on the inside it's not necessarily something the community can always enjoy I understand that community events and stuff take place I'm just saying that when there's public money involved uh I think past precedent is generally a higher burden yeah so for their funding

application what would you would you be looking for um letters of support from the various organizations that use the building or what um would you be looking for to see the impact of how it is the community I guess the point Alex was making it has to be uh available to the public to use right so yeah that it does have a hard point there you know I know

you do a lot of different events and C A lot of uh parties but uh yeah okay so somebody want to make a motion I make a motion to move on to the next uh I'll I'll second that motion okay roll call vote Jo Bley yes Alex SV no uh John Brandt no Rick mancy no Victor Harris yes okay so uh motion does not move on um yeah it's just a tough one to pick

out there sorry thanks uh let's see next we're moving on to um St John the Baptist uh they had a project last year they're going to phase two restore and preserve stained glass windows includes the following major items uh replacing existing window frames reuse as much existing stained glass as possible uh plexiglass sheet outside of the windows to protect um so go ahead and uh this is

outside work uh viewable to the public right yes um so my my I'm eor sliki I'm a truste at St John the Baptist Church here in Fall River the uh the grant that we're applying for is to re to repair uh and re replace parts of the the large stained glass window that's over the front door of the church the exist the window that that's there now it's a wooden frame um the the wood has rotted

in a lot of places pieces of glass have either fallen out or have broken because of the the frame is falling apart so we we'd like to um uh replace the whole window we Tred it some of the glass that's still in there um is usable um and during the years a number of pieces have been replaced some with plastic rather than glass or with glass that doesn't match what what was in

there originally so we're trying to get uh glass put put back in that that matches as close as possible original colors or um if POS if we need to replace two pieces of glass to pick a new color now that is as close as possible to the existing color so so we may find you know the in the case we have one piece of glass and we have to match it with another one colors changed

over the years with manufacturers and so on so it's kind of hard sometimes to get exact matches so we're trying to get back to the original colors um one thing we the like I said the frame is wooden however in talking with uh at least one company who does this kind of work they um said that getting an aluminum extruded frame would be much better one it would keep the glass in place uh

secondly it would um act as act as insulator so that we we wouldn't lose any any heat through through the through the existing window um and that um it would also be much more durable in terms of lasting for years and years and years versus a wood frame That Could Fall Apart in who knows how you know 30 40 years um and and would there wouldn't be any maintenance at all um and their plus

side is they said that the frame would look exactly the same the outside would be um the aluminum would be colored the same color to match the the church building and because it's up High um you would unless you really went up closer you actually wouldn't would not be able to tell whether it's aluminum or wood so we're really trying to uh I from talking with people who who do this um as a as

as a as a profession uh we may be swung to to actually using or asking to use a an aluminum frame rather than a wooden frame the other the other problem with this is that um I contacted several of mill workking companies in the area and they're either reluctant to to do a wooden a wooden frame of that size or uh they said well we can only do a wooden

frame but you have to find somebody else to put the glass in for for you so which means it's more it's more work um the the one company that I I did talk with they would do the whole job you know make make the aluminum frame and put the glass in and match everything up so so so that's kind of where that stands and so that's what we're trying to do is

replace it um it's it's an outside window it's visible from the street um and at times uh it's lit up either from the inside so it actually gives a nice little little feeling of of of occupancy of of the the building itself uh I know you'd have you have to make sure you check with the the window frame that it is uh up to the secretary standards for uh redoing the windows I know they have

they have variations of frames you can use but uh they would have to meet their uh standards okay um I do see you have a letter from the historic commission uh any questions from the board uh if you could present a photo or something of some pictorial of that particular window uh it doesn't have to be at this meeting but at your next pres next presentation there one we look there's one in the um the eligibility

yeah application okay there's there's one um there's a photo from the outside and one from the inside and you can see on the inside you can see uh tape holding up parts of the glass okay and then on the outside you can see um the outside you can kind of make out um some of the plexiglass that's covering here the other Advantage with with um with going with an aluminum

frame is that we would not have to cover with with any plexiglass because the the windows would be would be installed and kind of um I'm not I'm going to use the word glued in but but they're they're ins set and then they're they're in place so they wouldn't leak at all or anything like that so so it would be sort of a much more durable uh window for okay I I was really alluding to the

photo of or picture of the new proposed window not the I'll get something like that yeah yeah okay any other questions I was just wondering uh do you know if the window is original to the building's original construction or do you have a date for the window or an estimate date I'm not sure if it's original I think it's it's probably somewhere from the 1930s Maybe 1920s um because we have

very few early photo early photographs of it but it doesn't look like it is it's I think it was re all of the windows were done probably like in the 1930s maybe something like that where they were actually replaced with the the style that we see now and it's all it's all one style all the windows if you look at them they're all the same style as a cross with a an outline and and um

it's it's just the you know they they were very consistent and and what what they chose to to to do that but it's still even if it's from the 1930s or so that's close to 90 years old or so um it who whoever did it did a great job on them but it's the woods wears out okay any other questions can I have a motion to move this along to the uh St

preservation I'll make a motion move on to the next one I'll second and start presentation okay roll call Joan vley yes Alex Silva yes John brt Yes Rick Mancini yes Victor Ferris yes okay thank you thank you very much next we have Bristol Community College uh under Recreation uh tennis pickle ball court John I'm going to recuse myself on this one okay

um you can go ahead and good evening sir my name is uh Raymond Jackson I'm a certified pickle ball instructor with a professional pickle ball registry and this is an my my name is an S Charo uh 294 Archer Street Fall River I am lucky enough to play pickle ball at BCC with a great group so I asked an to join us because she's part of uh the original group uh that started at

Bristol Community College so the reason why we're here we submitted an application uh for consideration for allocation of funding uh to consider resurfacing the courts at the Bristol Community College um just to give you a little background 2021 we started about five people uh to date we're up to about 600 registered participants that play pickle ball this location um over the last couple of years uh we have grown in

size we do average about roughly 30 people per day that play Pickleball at that location uh so when you do a cross comparison between pickleball and and Tennis uh there's really no comparison with respect to uh uh the numbers there uh pickle ball and Tennis can coexist at this location however there is a concern regarding safety uh mainly because of the significant cracks on on the courts um the seams are

separating um and unfortunately over the last year or so we had a number of people uh that may have injured themselves by way of mishap stepping in the cracks uh spraining their ankles uh straining their ankles uh we had a couple of head injuries uh we had an individual who was a par pickle ball player in a wheelchair who flipped over uh unfortunately he didn't hurt himself uh but he did he did flip over um

diamond high school as you probably know utilizes the courts as well uh during their tennis period from the months of March to June um I did reach out to the tennis coach to try to obtain some information as to whether or not they may have sustained any injuries uh by way of the cracks but I've been unsuccessful um so I don't have that information as a cross comparison and things uh but ultimately what what we're

looking for really is just try to um have a place that's safe for the community um we have support here um these are folks that play pickle ball on a regular basis uh but more or less just have a place where people can go play feel safe and not worry about stick um stepping into one of the cracks uh most recently about a month or two ago we did have a young lady who stepped into this

into one of the cracks she's still recovering uh but just as quickly as she stepped into the crack uh one of our players Cliff who's with us uh immediately jumped into ction and filled the crack um and we were back playing again so right now the courts are in a situation where it's a Band-Aid approach it's not sustainable over a long period of time uh the cracks are going to increase more are going to be produced

uh but again uh just to have an environment for people to come for tennis and pickleball to coexist we're just trying to get the court services prepared to be a little bit more safer for people to play so now you would be atct just looking there's five tennis courts now uh there are five tennis tennis courts and two of the tennis courts actually house four pickle ball courts so One tennis net can house four

pickle ball nets so we have eight pickle ball nets that that are um used between two tennis Nets by themselves so we're looking at the whole Space actually so we're not just concentrating on the pickle ball court area we're actually looking at the whole tennis um structure which is about 280 Square ft um in the application I did a did a couple of quotes uh I got one from

uh JG coffee uh one quote I think he provided was about $400,000 um he did provide another quote uh which was more like a patch job uh that's guaranteed for about 3 years for about 133,000 um if the committee was was defined that those quotes are um unreasonable especially the the 400,000 one I did get a a third quote uh that is about 233,000 for a complete restoration of the courts as well okay now have you

looked Elsewhere for BCC kicking any money into this project so we have contacted or I have contacted BCC with regard to that uh the response that I did receive is they they didn't have any allocated fund they that they can contribute um quite honestly um we consulted with them just on the weeding aspect of the courts because you know tennis courts you shouldn't have to weed them but um we as a group are

committed we went out there we spent about 5 hours and we just weed the courts so uh not only did they not have money uh to fix the cracks but they didn't have the manpower to weed the courts okay um any questions from the board no no my question was going to be about additional funding that you can acquire at all none nothing with the state uh to assist the state facility no

we could ask again uh sir but um as it as it stands right now uh we was toally responsible they they didn't have any funding okay um so I so from the sounds of it you are in conversations with BCC and you are not the owners of the property are you right I think uh you're going to need to at least submit a letter of you know affirmation from BCC saying that this project is okay

with your application it might have been should have been probably included in the eligibility just so they're okay with the project and the grant requests since you're not the owners of the space um that would just be the one thing I'd say just to make sure you have uh moving forward yes sir so just to give you a little background um I did submit the application uh to Bristol Community

college and I was under the impression that the president approved it signed off on it which is why it was submitted to you yeah we'll just need a letter from him saying that it's okay for you to it yeah okay so when you do your January package you want to have that included okay all right all right any other questions uh can I have a motion to move this on to

Recreation I'll make a motion that we move this project on to Recreation I'll second that motion roll call Alex over yes John BR Yes Rick mans a yes to busy writing here think the farious yes all righty thanks thank thank you and uh when you come back in January all letters of support and stuff be greatly he has the more the better yeah wow all righty next is the uh Union Belt company uh replace 164 Windows

um looks nice how we doing good I'm not sure way to put this but maybe if I just yeah just uh there that work for you guys yeah maybe put one up front here that way they the camera show up to people not sure so we have it in our packets if you want to turn it so they can show the public yeah okay thank you chairman my name is Anthony cordiero

I am the um owner of the mandream pond of 66 6 Troy Street LLC we're proposing to spend almost $1 million on this building um this is a 130 year old mill building one of the few remaining that survived the great fire back in the days I know you have a package we have been approved both at the state and National Park Service part one and part two so we're ready to go actually we have begun

my request represents about 5% of the investment I specifically asked only for the cost of buying the windows and having them installed by a sub contractor one that is knowledgeable in in installation of historical windows and the windows are bought by a manufacturer that's been consistently approved this is my fifth historical preservation building in the last six years um I think this building

would be a huge ass as you can see by the windows and how it would bring out the historic value of this Mill building that runs from Troy Street all the way to 6 Street we're proposing to keep the first floor tenant in there and extended their lease and we're proposing to do 36 Mar departments upstairs but really the purpose of my request is that this is truly a historical significant

building in the history of the mil build mil buildings in the city of Fall River and others around the country and what they did so um we as I mentioned we've begun demolition the contractors have all been hired and we expect occup occupancy sometime in November of 20124 so you had stated that this what this is one of the last Mills that survived the the fire it's in your packet that uh we hired macrosi which is

now Ryan they've been my consultant for the last five projects going back to commonw Landing I think Mr Richie manini took a tour of the uh um lady garments workers building and I think you enjoy that building as we uh developed it and this would be just a continuation of keeping you know the historical value of these buildings they're 130y old buildings I mean they're just magnificent you know what I mean and

they require a lot of love and a lot of money all right uh I didn't see a letter from the store commission do you have that I have part one and part two in my packet I can send to your so okay we'll just need that in the final just yeah so what that means Mr chairman is that it's been vetted by the state and also the National Park Service so the only piece

left is for me to build it according to their wishes okay does the board have any questions I don't no okay can I have a motion to move on to I actually have a question um so is uh the historic tax credits that you already have kind of dependent on the W the windows meaning these standards yeah it's a big piece it's as you mentioned before it's an exterior piece

and it it there's a lot to that there's a lot to the windows yeah you just don't put aluminum but that's okay ESP when you have 162 of them and there's only so many facturers that can do that and you know like I said not boting but it's my fifth project and if you remember the Ben andate Mr chairman I had to replace all those front windows all over again you

just can't do what you want to do yeah yeah all righty so motion to move it on to Historic preservation I'll make a motion we mooving on to the historical reservation I'll second that motion roll call Jo vley yes Alex Sila yes John brt Yes Rick Mancini yes Victor feris yes all right thank you so much see you in January thank you uh next is the dery block replace 132 Windows thanks no dery

block said virtual I don't know is anybody there from uh no dery block I don't remember if he's on the top right that it's feros Monte feros mon all righty now I know we had uh that uh attendees had to uh be present to uh move on to the next round how does the board feel about that technically it's not adopted yet so that's not adopted till next year uh

so do we want to move this on to uh historic preservation I know he's replacing uh the bottom Windows of the uh uh 8084 North Main Street did you want to just read the read for the public yeah um it doesn't really have much here um a request replacing 132 windows at the dery Block property uh located at 8084 North Main Street constructed in 1887 and expanded in 1905 I think it's pretty straightforward

yeah I'll make a motion that we move it on to the next historical uh next round all right um second I'll second roll call Joan belly yes Alex Silva yes John BR yes uh seeing that no one's present I'm going to vote no uh Victor feris yes okay it moves on um next is is uh academica elevator 350,000 all right uh if I may this one we have a lot of questions probably for because we're not

if I may sure um uh so just for the public it's the academic building um look at 463 Williams Street it's a request for an elevator uh no topic so we're unaware um historic preservation community housing Recreation I will say that this is similar to the request they made last year um equally similar in its lack of information I believe it was explained um last year uh to the applicant and then also in our

discussion of the CPC plan that uh if it is an elevator requests under community housing it needs to only that elevator only can support the community housing uh in the one paragraph submitted it it's pretty much says what he said last time that it will support the whole building including the private Lounge uh I don't think it's eligible um and it's an incomplete application yeah Al so

it's Sal Main Street so we don't get oh so the address is oh that's the owner address sorry say and was the uh occupancy raised to 20% no was not that we vote we have we voted on this year so the project wouldn't be but but it's a known fact we don't have the information they're not here and it's probably basically the same as they did last year which was denied

so what's the board's uh wish on this one to move or not move forward I would make a motion not to move this forward I'll second that motion okay Joan Bentley no am I saying no or yes you're saying yes yes to I'm not telling you what to vote for but yes to not yes to the no okay yes to the no um yes to the no John BR yes yes to the no yes to the

no all righty uh next is uh Holy Ghost uh St John's Holy Ghost design and construction of elevator

good evening everybody my name is l Leonardo Diago I am the President of St John's Holy Ghost the old Coughlin school so we came here to for an elevator which is has to be required to to enter the building anybody handicapped app inside that building so uh this is under historic preservation correct yes yeah my understanding is this would not be eligible under historic preservation for

the same logic I gave uh the previous one we voted no for is that it's interior and under historic preservation the emphasis has to be on the exterior for the community benefit that way yeah but if you put the elevator on the outside isn't it considered it's you're not restoring any of the building you're adding you're actually you can't create with the store preservation you can't create you can

preserve but you can't create so you'll be creating the elevator which doesn't fall under okay I didn't know that sorry for the confusion yeah so I don't where do we go from here to get uh PCA money or whatever uh we we had a big p uh package here with other grant money that you could probably go looking at uh you be ADA compliance on that too so you might want to look at that that Revenue

going down the line okay but and about if we have to put Windows cuz I just heard about Windows cuz we have a cuz there was a fire there we had to put a new we we supplied the new roof because there was a big tragic fire there the whole roof we put a new roof some of the windows are still like Smoky you know like uh yeah they're pretty damaged the

only thing is your application this is I know but that way we know to the application anything historic to the outside of the building that maintains the Integrity of what it was Windows Mason stuff on the ex fire escapes um that's part of the building they the fire escapes has fire escapes there and you'd be restoring them yeah because they got to be sanded part of building that some of

them are damaged some of them are Rusty some of it is Rusty are they RW iron yes mhm I think so well cuz that way we know when we do the the application next time we're going to have to put in questions I would concentrate on the windows and you know masonary work anything Po in the building yeah you know okay cuz that has to be done because that bill is 127 years old

so okay we took it from them knocking it down and putting it homes yeah so okay so we're learning now now we go to that's good de all righty so can I have a motion to uh deny under historic preservation I make a motion to deny it under a historical preservation yeah I'll I'll second that motion roll call Joan Bentley yes Alex s yes John BR Yes Yes Rick man yes Victor farus yes thank

you and next year if you want to give us a call before it's a work we can walk you through it I thank you very much thank you have a good night thank you good night uh if you can hear us the audio just went off again we can't hear you you can't hear us we we can hear you but this time but the audio is off again if you can he all right got you heard

that I know I don't think they can hear us they M we can hear you we hear you we can't can you see us now now we can't hear Brad yeah muted Brad not now oh now you're off now you're back their sound has gone off yeah I know can't hear them can you hear us can you hear us can you hear us hold up your no sound sign we don't have one we don't have one

I think they can only see Ken on the big screen no we see all three wellow he can't hear me so we can hear you can you see us can you see us oh there yeah he can you we can hear you there you go now we can hear you can hear you now you for a little while all right sounds good thanks M next we're moving on to Corky row uh replace roof

windows in section of floor behind the bar and other repairs so I could I could start uh I think you're all familiar with the corki r Club if you look at the letter we sent you there's two phases to the renovation work phase two is all interior work which clearly is not eligible most of what's in phase one is exterior the two items that aren't had to do with structural work um the uh the floor was

damaged by the roof leak that we had and so we thought by fixing that we would fix a structural issue we also believe that repairing the heating and air conditioning if we don't have heating and air conditioning working it could it could uh threaten the structural Integrity of the building if however you don't feel those are appropriate when we sent in the final form we could take those out if that's what you

wish well I know inside we couldn't touch yeah I I think for the the funding application it' be best to remove the interior work around the bar and the heating air condition probably yeah and probably phase two the upgraded kitchen electrical we were not asking for anything for phase two what their application was for was for 75,000 for phase one okay but if we take out the other it those two items that were

structural but interior it would bring it down close to $50,000 and that's what we would apply for if you move this on okay that sounds good it I don't know nothing in the B I didn't remember on this package yet we can't hear that sounds good to me the the place in the roof yeah yeah well that is being eligible yeah the rest of phase one minus the two items okay so yeah minus the other two

items we're replacing the roof and and the window what we say the west west replacing the roof the window that's and then a 15% contingency would bring it to uh $54,000 okay that sounds more yeah all right so can I have a motion to move this or any other questions no I'll make that motion uh to request change the request of 54,000 and we'll refer this to historical pres historical preservation

okay I'll second that roll call Joan Bentley yes Alex Silva yes John brt Yes Rick Mani yes Victor Ferris yes okay thank you thank you very much have a good night thanks and next uh we have uh uh window for uh school department window replacement uh 260,000 uh Ken can you hear us no we can't hello everyone um I can barely hear you but I know you can hear

me okay we can hear you I think you just lost there we go all right wow that's a little bigger than I needed um so uh the window project is um exactly as it was last year um my um hope um is that um my memory um will be much better this year about my duties uh in making sure that I have my letter in hand well before it's needed from the

historical commission um that lies on you know on one person that's me um but the project hasn't changed we did put some um some uh up the the uh the dollars just to touch uh following the trends of the building materials as to where they're going the project is is um relatively the same and um we will um we will have a window in place um if any board member wanted to see that before

um the um the next round um um is approved so to speak so um we're hoping uh to do that in the next U month or two and um have um have something to uh to show everyone it's um deterioration is is nothing more I mean fortunately we had a good winter uh we didn't we didn't um see a lot of uh damage uh extra damage to anything and um we are uh

extremely excited to do this work also um I know um I had heard about um window air condition is early it was our intent to not put any air conditioners oh we lost it put did our feed get cut too it's time to go home I think he's putting in Split minis are we still uh live though we're still live yeah okay it doesn't say many splits no but I think we had that

question last year I asked him and he said

said cuz I said we wouldn't want how many windows was he putting in I forgot 70 quite quite a few 7

something drum set and there was a yeah 78 window

that's us we're

here I guess we saved the best for last Tammy okay you're a patient Lady Penny you back more like we're we're back he was always there we're back I'm back okay that was our fault not yours sorry about that you were uh okay you were talking I've been hung up before we lost you at the uh the air conditionings okay so the air conditioners are coming out all the window air conditioners are coming out

as we progress with our interior um installation of heat pumps and and um and Min splits uh for uh for the uh air conditioning replacement um and um other than that we are uh we're ready to move on the project um we will be ready to move on the project if if it is uh so moved okay we we do have a letter from the historical commission uh sent to us that's fantastic because I thought I

lost it I couldn't find it and I was ready to go back for another no we got it we got it so okay uh this board have any questions can has that sample window arrived he said a month right the sample the the sample window was cancelled um not by us but by them um through a manufacturing issue so we re we re ordered the window and it will be here in time for us to do

an installation Before The Next Period okay thank you okay I just have one question can um with our funding constraints this year if the project wasn't fully funded through CPC would you still be able to continue if you only received partial funding we would I I'm not quite sure how far we would get I mean we do have um we do have a priority list of of stuff that's really bad in the and we

would startop with those and then we would fund uh the remaining part of it um we would not we're not necessarily going to wait another year uh for the funding so we would we would get started um once we know in in um you know and and if we're accepted into the next you know round and then beyond that um but we will start the work and and whatever uh whatever funds are available we'll be

appreciative of thank you okay so going to have a motion to move on to Historic president ation I'll make a motion that we move on a historic preservation second n Joan Bentley yes Alex yes John brt Yes Rick man yes Victor farus yes yes all right thank you Ken uh you have another one up uh side patio railing and uh main front entrance 60,000 yeah so that that project again um it's exactly

what it was last year Diamond um has voted to um to help us out with that project the school committee voted again um over the summer uh to to um stay with us on that project so uh we will be uh supplying them with the material um for some other work they they're doing a rod iron rail uh project for us on the outside of of the building um the fencing and um we're uh they're prepared

to uh to start working uh we're going to provide material uh the the funds here are strictly material um and then the hope is is that depending on the availability of the students we would really like to have them do the project also um but the project will go on whether they can help out or not on the installation um because we already know that they will help out on the um on the fabrication of

uh the um the balls and and rails okay well any questions question nope you can you've answered them again very well thank you all righty can I have a motion to move on historic preservation I'll make a motion that we move on on to the historic preservation call I'll second it or oh I'll second it Joan Bentley yes Alex yes John BR Yes Rick mansy yes Victor FIS yes all right thank you

Ken thank you everyone okay thank you next we have the uh fall over Children's Museum water infation and repair and restoration they're looking for 393,000

so I see you sent us a package is what mainly window seal ledges ceilings yes that seems to be where majority of the water infiltration is coming in and what's happening is the rooms inside that the Children's Museum uses for different activities um it you know all the paint in these rooms is tipping falling into the kids play structures um so we're looking to you know for restoration not replacement

this time and hopefully we'll start with you know the outside and we'll start with that small Corner um the building itself it's it's owned by the county M so and I am the facility superintendent for the county okay and we lease to the Children's Museum and um the registry of deeds is also ours okay now is the how did the moisture is the roof sound the roof is in fair condition it seems to be

original and I believe over the years it looks like they've done some patching along the way I've only been in position for 6 months so I'm just getting to know these buildings I have eight buildings seven of which are historical these are the only two that I have in Fall River okay all right because I guess before we move on to repairing we'd like to know if the roof is

solid is there any way uh could have somebody look at that to make sure to work our way down yeah sure um you know they took a quick look at everything you know for the purpose of this application so we can get something in and I did have a historical architect take a look at it um and someone that does historical masonry uh and the architect that says it in here felt that it was in fair

condition and that uh that over the years they've done some repairs as needed rather than full replacement so moving on you know we could definitely explore doing roof like right now I got a portion of the roof on the registry side uh that we're going to be doing they just did a portion of that roof oh gosh I don't know when actually that other portion was done okay but I know they've been waiting four years to

do the portion that I'm going to do okay all righty and uh I didn't see a letter of un did I M it letter of support from the store commission no no not yet okay I you definitely get that okay uh does the board have any questions yes yes I I do um is this going to be would this be similar in that the exterior Stone pointing joint repair exterior window

repairs would be okay but the interior is restoration is not allowable so would the interior of the windows be because that's all part of the infiltration we would have to restore the interior of the windows um like the headers Etc the the masonry portion of the headers or the okay or the plaster portion right well but it's all in one yeah all it's all part of the window structure yeah the windows would be

covered but it's like the I think I saw some pictures of like Corners in the wall in the ceiling and stuff that kind of interior work would not okay be be part of it um I think so so maybe like uh in your cost your cost proposal that's submitted to the next application make sure everything's kind of like line item out so in case there's anything you know that's not covered we can easily

take it out I stick to the windows and the Sills I'll be good like the plaster pie part and paint anything that would not be covered yeah right so and and so that's so the exterior masonry and carpentry that's all for like window work right since you don't know the condition of the roof and then the gutters and stuff is that a solution to the water infiltration because that's been identified as the source or some of

it okay there portions so we're only going to start with that corner of the building as you can see it's a huge building and um um we I figured we have to start somewhere mhm okay I don't know how much they've done along the way does not look like there's been extensive restoration throughout the years it looks more like just uh patch and you know as needed so I'm looking to restore

little by little and I would just suggest and that's the worst corner I would just suggest that as you're kind of investigating the roof ahead of the next application uh you kind of make sure that the like any work to the gutters wouldn't be undone in a future roof project because you might want to do the roof you know instead of having to do gutters that have to get you know

redone sooner down the line like just kind of make sure yeah that's all lined up roof and gutter in in with this one yeah cuz it would do no good to do the inside windows right if we don't take yeah are there any supplemental funds available to comp compliment I will be approaching the commission uh the Commissioners for some funding the reason we ask is funding is so tight this year that if

you got partial funding then if you had supplemental funding to meet your goal MH I will definitely approach the Commissioners and I know everybody stra this year for the CPC funding because we got invited to the next round for new bed um oh good good all right the whole state it assists in making you know decisions when the when the fund when there's funding available to lower this cost you

know understandable all right any other questions from the board motion to move on to Historic preservation uh with the interior stuff REM moov with the interior and we're going to let her include if she needs to put roof or gutter yep or vice versa other exterior elements yeah you know I was thinking more in long lines maybe they'd wait for the gutter to do the roof you know and

remove the gutters as a possibility so either way break it down somehow yeah we'll figure it out okay and it appears that on the Caps some of the copper caps on the roof have been removed and replaced with aluminum so that's we'll explore that yes okay all righty um there was a motion right motion was there a motion I'll make a motion second I'll second that roll call Joan Bentley yes Alex Silva yes John Bry

Yes Rick manini yes VI dearis yes all righty thank you thank you very much thank you thanks for your patience okay this is the first time I have to do this solo usually I have somebody when I work for this on the city you know H do this now now I'm on my own all right did a good job yes uh under new business the only thing

I had is we're going to uh see if we can have somebody come in uh we're going to have them come in and talk about uh um how to get grants and all this um how to get extra money for the public like the public we're not going to endorse this person but he's going to come in do a little demonstration and tell him how his organization works and how to seek out other opportunities and getting

grant money it would be great if we could give like all or recent past applicants kind of a heads up we're kind of hoping that sy's reaching out and we'll uh if we do have him come in we'll send an email to everybody that they can come in listen to it or watch it on TV this way we can try and help everybody work together and try and get as much as they

can uh so can I is any any other so can I have a motion to I would just is there any uh update on if the finance team will ever give us their presentation we've been in discussion with Finance any update on that Sandy no so maybe I'll start emailing or we'll start I'll start we've been emailing so all right thanks uh yeah I'd hope we'd see it soon

yeah all right so can I have a motion to adjourn make a motion to adjourn so okay R Bentley yes Alex yes John BR yes rck manc yes Victor feris yes all righty that wraps up