10.17.2022 Community Preservation Committee

foreign welcome to tonight's Community preservation meeting held here at city council hearing room one government center Fall River uh meeting is going to be live and through Zoom uh today is Monday the 26 2022 six o'clock um we're going to start out with roll call First we'll do in-house first here um pursuant to the open meeting low any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may

transmit the meeting through any medium pennies are therefore advised that such recordings of Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and being acknowledged and permissible start with roll call Alex Alexander Silva present John Brandt president Richard Calderon president and then I will call up your name on the uh zoom and you can just say present uh Chris Olivera

president attending remotely bison by Zoom uh Caroline um uh Jason Byrne by Zone uh Victor Ferris by Zoom Victor various by Zoom okay and we're missing a uh John Ferreira on vacation and we're missing a um a marrow appointee um okay uh let's see uh we'll start off with the first project any citizen input no okay um okay uh can I have approval of the minutes from August 18 2022 can make a motion okay

I'll second the motion okay roll call vote yes yes yes Alex Sylvia yes uh Chris yeah Chris Cantara Oliver I guess Caroline yeah Jason yes Vic yes okay now I wonder eligibility hearings let's get ahead of myself here um is anybody here for almax diners it's it's a new agenda it's uh the Fall River School the administration is going to go first I don't know I have that one oh okay

okay yeah and then it falls in line after that oh okay yep so they're gonna go first all right

okay

sorry about that folks okay they have two projects right

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we'll uh start with the uh patio uh before these uh City school department we have a project uh railing on patio um west side of building and uh that's under historic preservation um can you tell us a little about the project Kenny sure um chairman um yeah yeah could you just introduce yourself too thank you sure thank you um so Mr chair and we have a um a patio that's the length of the

building on the west side of of uh of the building facing watt street that is in Destiny of repair we um we had some seconds look at that piece of work and and some of it isn't so we're looking to enlist uh Diamond Vogue to help us out in reproducing some of the work um so that we can keep the Integrity of that particular book in place um we're going to do some of that work

ourselves which is the share the ten thousand dollar share and asking the committee for uh sixty thousand dollars to do the project all right does the board have any questions just raise your hands okay hi Ken um so the sixty thousand um is that just just for material because you said uh vote the vote kids are going to help out um I'm not quite sure at this particular time whether or not they will be installing

um or whether we will be hiring a subcontractor um to do that work for us but we feel that um whichever way we need to go um we will be able to finish the project for that job or not no that no it's great because I mean if you if the volt kits did it I mean obviously the the cost will reduce because you don't have to hire a subcontractor exactly

um were they um when will they give you confirmation if they'll be able to participate in this project or not is there a timeline yeah basically we gave example we took one's been no left um see what what they have um during that you know piece and uh what material will work best for us um which which uh avoid would work best on that particular uh spindle and then we only obviously uh most of that will

be fabricated also uh to match what's there so I'm hoping that um within the next 30 days we'll have an answer from them and if not then we will um pursue a new uh shot a couple in the city that may be able to take on this one okay any other questions well this does meet the historic preservation can I have a motion to move it on I'll make a motion to move the however

School the Department's Administration project for the railing forward okay yeah I'll make a second it's just if you can just get back to us Kenny and just let us know if they'll participate obviously you know because the funding amount will be able to be reduced at that set point in time absolutely thank you sir uh we'll vote on that Christine

Jason yes Nick yes Alex yes John yes yes the funding round uh you're up next to Kenny uh for uh window replacements um for the ad building uh and could you just introduce yourself for the public too yes Operating Officer foreign and that's under a store uh can you tell us a little about that project Kenny uh there's 78 windows in the building um are Ben are your sizes the window um the window is going um

uh with every little breeze in the building um but um we we have found some um some companies who are willing to work with us preserve the work and integrity of um what we're trying to achieve uh on the outside of the building and also on the inside it is um we're actually going to do a pilot hopefully before the um the February time frame and have um we can Piper board so to take a look

at that to see if that meets the needs of what we're looking for and we're hoping that the company can manufacture that window so that we can install it in the building and we'll finish it both inside and outside and it'll also give us a a better um quantity uh quality and uh price on what we can be looking at to get this installed and manufactured so the windows as as I'm showing other people

have told the board the windows are anywhere from uh 17 to 25 leaks um to arrive where fast tracking one window um to see if we can get one in installed so that we will have some accurate numbers um we do the budget that you have there is um was part of uh the study um that we did with the funds from last year's on they'll probably be here before last

um Grant from CPC and where we also had the remainder of funds uh still available from what the school department and the um the CPC allotted to do a second study on the windows so we did a a existing conditions and we also did a study on the windows to see where we go with that project it's it's a it's a pretty big undertaking on the Lambda side um it's very labor intensive the windows

uh there are five different sizes of Windows um and that may um in itself be um a little um difficult on the timing of women I mean but we've decided as a district is we're going to make sure that we order all the windows at one time um and then we will install depending on um the severity and do it in that kind of uh or okay yeah if you could get a

sample the window make sure it's uh stated in the carrier Secretary of Standards that'd be great yeah does the board have any questions Mr pachico um so who's ordering the windows is going to be the contractor or is it the school department going to just hire a labor contractor okay so it'll be like a 30v one for example okay so are you guys going to put out the construction part of it out to bid

we won't okay our contract or local contractor to put it in time and material and also give us an idea of just what we're looking at for installation overall and um that'll help us in in our final number one um okay so I know you guys have a you're working with an architectural company RGB yes so they couldn't they couldn't provide like some kind of forecast number is it because it's just you

looking at the different types of Windows you guys are looking to install I know there's a back order of window so it's some people looking at what six six months six eight months right remember the window number um has been estimated at between 140 and 180 000. okay a lot of the windows um and then we're assuming a certain dollar amount um for the installation right so you guys are probably looking at I

want to say probably like spring to maybe get this done well yeah yeah okay that's all I had thank you uh any other questions from the board just raise your hand if you do I just have two questions um so is the intent to make all of the windows uh historically accurate I just want to make sure that's clear yes okay I think it will be um this is the direction that the architect was giving given

um when we signed up the project uh to be sure that the the exterior of the building matches exactly what you see today only a little less feeling pain and rattling and in the interior um being a match to the uh the answer of yourself that that is the goal um with the in with the entire project okay thank you and then the last question is just I was just wondering what uh

rationale you had for having these true projects separate um I could guess but I just was wondering what your actual uh intent or Reason was well part of it is um from the beginning we were hoping that the diamond piece would work as a former teacher at Diamond for 17 years I remember the capabilities I also know the time constraints that the school has and and um I would I would think like running the

two projects separate for that reason number one the second one is I know that um that time frame on the Windows would put us another full year so if if the board didn't go along with the project the funding process the procurement process would take us well past the season and we would be installing you know some of these as long as as they came in um whatever season we could on the building

is flexible as far as when we can change Windows we can close rooms off contractors could work inside um and and we could still be occupying the rest of the building so I think it'll be the um the separation just lets us have a closure on one project um and I'll move along with the other thank you all right well it does fall under historic preservation uh can I have a motion to move the project on

oh my God I'll check in that motion all righty uh roll call vote uh Christine yes Caroline uh Jason yes uh Vic yes Alex yes John yes Richard yes all right thank you Mr Pacheco thank you next is almax Diner under historic preservation they're looking for Boost seating metal entry doors replaced repairs to the out uh neon sign equipment building cooler they're looking for fifty thousand is anybody here

I know on this one it's uh um if we get a letter from the landlord stating that uh get permission

well he writes it he doesn't own it um so he's missing that and then I know we can't uh fund the Boost inside or the uh the entry door anything that has been redone over the years is not eligible under CPC I mean the neon sign might fall under because it is a landmark um the board have any questions any comments on that I was just also going to say that the outdoor the exterior

requests could fall under historic preservation but I wasn't so sure about the Boost seating equipment replacement if that was interior and walk-in cooler at least yeah um but how do we know if the seating would preserved seating has been changed over the years well it has to be exterior too for the public because it's a private property yeah okay yeah historic preservation generally has

to be exterior facing for public benefit thank you I mean we could put this under a historic preservation if he gets us the letter uh from the land uh it's land landlord uh but like I say I the only thing I could see it could possibly is the neon sign and the the door if it's original for support think Kristen so I think I agree with you I think the only thing that app that definitely

would qualify is the sign um the doors I think we would have to know if that's original to the building or not um and then really we really can't do anything anyway until we have a signing off by the by the landlord I mean in those two for at least the history at least the the sign the neon sign it would qualify under the served preservation so but I mean in order to be conserved

or funding at this I mean as far as this it's eligible but to be considered for funding we can't do anything until we have the landlords approval well if we did move them on to the next round he would have to conclude that in his package with the estimates for everything else um so do we just want to make a motion to move on to uh this historic preservation just a neon sign

well it just depends on whether or not they're original um I mean we really would need more information on this okay so how about we include the neon sign and the door if it is original okay emotional net yeah I'll make a motion second I'll second it okay uh roll call vote uh Chris yes Caroline Jason yes okay yes Alex yes John yes Rich yes okay so that's just gonna be on the door and the

neon yeah and pending a letter from the landlord right yep

okay I forget my good buddy here I'm a member of the board of directors so I'll be recusing myself from this okay so the doctor at this house uh is historic preservation I've been looking to do the east and west side facet Windows storms and shutters they're looking for 79 200 uh looks like uh we've done work on this previous uh 25 Windows um Jim would you like to tell us a little about

hi everyone hello can you hear it yes Jim Soul we're president of the preservation Society of Fall River we're a non-profit organization uh we've been very fortunate to catch several uh grants from this committee which is awesome um we're hoping that this is the last one that we're going to be coming to you for uh we're really we're trying to focus on just the exterior now the facade that faces the street

um as you know I'll work is uh based on the Secretary of standards and we work uh also with the um preservation guidelines that uh we're working with historic commission to adopt but uh um so all of our work is uh to that standard okay so this should uh actually wrap up your project because I mean it's looking really really good place looks great and uh this would be one last kick to make the

place look look great but also to secure it it'll repair the original windows so we're not actually replacing windows in this house and uh adding storms on the front of the house we use historical storms on the side of this house it won't be historical storms it'll be uh lower reveal so that they are or energy efficient and appropriate for the house all right does the board have any questions

can I have a motion to move this on to the historic preservation for 79 200.

right I make a motion come on moving forward uh second first preservation okay all right roll call vote Chris Caroline Jason yes uh Vic yes uh John yes Rich yes all right thank you thank you Jim we'll see you later on in the year thank you

foreign next is uh the academica uh his can you come up I want to say our last name wrong probably just the way it sounds alrighty so you're looking for an elevator on South Main Street uh 350 000 right uh we just acquired the building and we've been approved to have 11 market rate apartments and the lounge in the basement so the elevators will be helpful for like you know elderly and stuff because

the lounges are still in the basement we could put a staircase yes but uh this kitchen was also used by the fair like at the Kings County Fair so we're trying to get it back to the community where they could be able to use the kitchen and people who have been attached to these kind of building could come back I'm most you know trying to get the members back give it back the

way it was you know to preserve the idea of the academica the way it has been for years in Fall River instead of like just putting some apartments and forget about the way it was so the elevator would serve the Apartments you're putting in apartments and the like Lounge in the basement okay so really not a historic preservation you're looking for community housing yes sir okay uh because historic

preservation it wouldn't qualify and I know it was like approved with the last owners and because the project went South yeah so and it has been like you know the labor cost and material cost is considerably gone up so requesting on the same basis before if it's possible now do you have like plans for the apartments and all that yeah we already presented it to the variance committee and you know uh City

Planning and everything yeah as a plan because you'd have to submit that to here for us to vote on it the company civitec was designing it I reached out to them they are saying they are like the book so I would in the mean Pro in the meantime I will have some other Engineers to you know Revitalize the same project that was at before all right so yeah you'd be going under community housing not the preservation

so and are you so if it's under community housing it has to have uh the deed restriction for affordable housing for somebody units so you're aware that you have to have some affordable units because I know you said 11 market rate is is one of those going to be we are talking to the Four River like you know it's still not I think third floor or fifth floor with them Mike Dion Leon

okay so is the plan to convert some of those 11 units into affordable or are there going to be additional units that are affordable uh from the 11 units will be affordable okay not all 11 but some of them yeah yeah so what can you define some is it two is it three we right now we have one two two yes okay okay uh any other questions from the board

okay just that this has to be refiled under community housing okay not historic preservation for the next for the next round yeah um already so can I have a motion to uh uh for community housing 350 000 for an elevator for the academica I'll make a motion that it qualifies under community housing for an elevator second yeah I'll second that okay uh roll call vote Christine Kristen yes Kristin yes um Caroline

yes Jason yes okay yes Alex yes John yes Rich yes okay all right get just uh if you're working with Mike Dion uh because you've got to make sure you have that separated the deed restriction and all that because uh housing has not been one thing we've been it's just creates a lot of headaches for us so uh this is looks like a good project right we'll consider it but right you've got your work cut

out yeah we are like in almost um and up to three million dollars in improvements from our side all right so this would be actually help for like you know mostly the large part of it where you know people could come back and enjoy the place the way it was before well it's a good area for community housing so uh you know best of luck on it thank you we'll see

you later on thank you thank you next is St John's Baptist or is anyone here you're looking for doors windows stairs Foundation railing Coppola steeple stained glass ramp uh bathroom ceiling electrical Center Street you're located on yes we're on Center Street and South Beach Street and all that for 58 000. okay uh tell us a little about your project um yeah we're we're trying to to uh

preserve the building and and its appearance on the outside um it basically needs a lot of painting um a lot of caulking on the Windows um these the the Brick stairway needs to get repointed um we also would like to replace uh the big there's a big stained glass window over the front door they like to replace that because that's um uh Fallen apart it's a wooden Our concern there is that

it's a wooden frame and so we I think in order to meet the um uh the the the guidelines we're gonna have to replace that with us with another wooden framed window but it's it's a very simple window itself just big big panes of glass in it um so it the the whole project was really just sort of keep the building um and I'll say in in one piece and uh it's

kind of I think a unique building for Fall River um in terms of its design and also just its Age and and uh it's it's it's it's a representation of the Ukrainian community in in Fall River

and I'm a trustee at the St John the Baptist Church thank you who's going to be doing the work for you um we haven't gotten anybody yet we're still I guess we're you know once the we we get the grant we can start looking for uh um contractors okay um but it's it's probably going to be I think it's going to be it looks like the job will be really two one is painting which is

going to kind of evolve everything the other one is probably going to be brick work and so I think it's gonna break up break apart into two sort of smaller projects um hopefully it it'll work I guess in the third one will actually be the window itself so so maybe it'll be three projects all together because in this project we could only do outside because that's right it has to be open in the

public right obviously uh we are interested in keeping uh history going uh but they would uh whoever you hire would have to follow secretary standards right sure everything is right we're in the process of of um looking at an architect so we talked to two of them and we haven't gotten any um agreement with them yet but we talked to two or two of them um the names escaping one is uh is

actually a professor at Roger Williams at the architecture school and the other one is um in Fall River uh sorry in Westport um I forget to name it I have it on email I'm sorry but it um they are they're uh there are two of The Architects that we talked so far and um hopefully we'll have we'll get one more so at least get some idea of what the cost will be for

for them do that and then start um going after the work itself okay yeah because well if you hire an uh an architect that's going to eat into your money so right it might be something that uh you get an architect and you start with the stairway and uh redo that this year I mean there's ways of you know so 58 doesn't take long to go through so I know we're I'm I'm probably low on

that but yeah it's I don't know it's a good estimate I think but okay does the board have any questions yeah I don't know so my question I guess was so I mean you haven't hired an architect which is understandable but where did you get like where did you get 58 000 then that you would you would need um just just taking uh um some good guesses of what work I mean we had some work

done like some years back we had a roof done and things like that other than thinking well what what are um uh different companies charging so it's sort of an estimate but I didn't get a chance to really talk with anybody specifically saying well how much would it cost to do to do these this work and you know specify each item yet so so for now it's it's really just the

um our best estimate of what it would take yeah because I mean a few years you know from pricing for a few years is a lot different times you know so I mean you know it's you know just respectfully I think you would be doing yourself a disservice um if if you didn't hire a professional and the reason is because like architecture will be able to kind of forecast you know um exactly like um you

know how much you would need for this project and then if it has to be broken out into phases then it can be broken out into faces but at least you know would it'll be like the the ground you know core foundation for you to be able to kind of say okay you come back to committee okay you know we gotta you know we got an architect this is the total cost we're going to do

it in in phases as I'm sure you know I mean I'm new to this committee but I'm sure that there's been you know with Dr fish house I mean I've historically I've seen you know we've definitely funded a lot a lot of new projects so I think it'll be cumbersome for you guys to do that just yeah professionally just saying so yep okay that'll go a lot easier for you if you

get a you know somebody's guide you through it because that that's that that's what we're looking when you get into distort preservation the Secretary of State Standards I mean it's it'll be tricky you know yeah and then if it's not done right we don't pay so I know I think most of the I think the biggest new thing I think is is doing that that stained glass window the everything else

is we're not really changing anything or adding or subtracting we're trying to leave everything as is but maintain it I guess but it's the window I mean it really does need uh work and I think that's going to be our biggest the probably our biggest project that may in fact be you know we may do I'll say the easy stuff first you know do the brick work and maybe some of the outside painting and then do

the stained glass window as a separate project but we'd have to see you know what how that works out yeah yeah I mean we've had people with the Dr fish house has uh been in front of us three or four years you know they they do different things you know one side the other side right so I mean uh yeah so maybe that's something you want to look at okay thank you any other

questions from the board I do good Chris um just just a couple of questions the the outside of the building itself I know the trim around the windows and around the doors what is the rest of the is the rest of the building what are those wood slabs um it's uh vinyl siding um so we're not we're not taking that off we're leaving it on um I believe underneath that is wood but

that vinyl siding has been on there since as long as I've been gone which is probably like mid 1970s was when I started uh when I became a parishioner there so that that's been on from before that so yeah but I think around the windows it's still uh wooden trim so a lot of that paint is is peeling in that okay and just uh my other my other thing

is more of a comment just to pull you and as well as any of the other projects that are here for historic preservation you will need to get a letter of recommendation from the historical commission prior to submitting your application if if you're um eligible then prior to submitting the application for funding you will need to go before the historical commission and get a letter of support from them as well

okay thank you now Chris being that it's a aluminum siding vinyl I think it's vinyl does that still falling uh that's a tough one um that's the tough one because of oil setting is on there but I mean if you're repairing part of the building and you're setting it to Secretary of interior standards and then you're leaving vinyl siding on the building I don't that's gonna have to be a steward question to be honest

because I don't know yeah um I don't think that's ever come up anybody that's ever gone to our historic preservation is the outside of the building's still been intact without vinyl siding and stuff um I mean in theory the project qualifies um for what they want to do but I don't know if the vinyl siding on the building is going to make a difference if they would have to remove that especially because

um if the rest of it has to be circuited and serious standards I know the vinyl siding really wouldn't be yeah and on the vinyl siding we can't pay to have it removed so that would be on your end as far as I know the work has to meet Secretary of State interior standards so if you're not adding any vinyl and you're actually preserving the remaining features I think it might be worth

quality I think it might qualify but it's still worth asking Stuart um yeah Stewart is our representative from the CPC Coalition just so the public is aware who we're talking about and I did just have a couple comments on uh the just some of the eligibility aspects of the project under historic preservation I don't think the ramp for the downstairs rear door would qualify or the bathroom grab bars or as John

mentioned the interior Church ceiling I would also want to ask about reattaching the electrical utility wire but that there might be some other room for that because it's on the exterior that being said it might reduce your Project's a little bit and give you more wiggle room in your budget if you didn't pursue the architect as was discussed okay

anyone else I don't think it's a good project so do we want to make a motion to move this on the historic preservation for the next round for 58 000 I'll make a motion is that a second I'll make a sec oh second the motion okay Rocco vote Chris yes Caroline yes Jason's yes a Victor yes Alex yes John yes Rich yes and uh I'll I'll make a call to Stuart and if

there's for some reason there's a problem I'll let you know before you get too far in okay thank you very much thanks for a lot of the good tips and advice no problem thank you thank you thank you thank you

thank you so much you're welcome have a great day guys okay next is what tapa Rowing Club is anyone here hello did you just introduce yourself to sure good evening my name is Kim Smith I'm a board member of the watuppa rowing Center lifelong resident of Fall River and the executive director of the United Way I don't know if you need to know that but full disclosure it's my role so you're looking for

200 000 for docks and Lane and Marketing System correct now your Club is it open to the general public it is so anybody can you see yes we are a 501c3 nonprofit and we are a rowing facility that avails rowing to student athletes for free we have so far raised all of our funds to provide those services to our student athletes ourselves through grants and donations and private funding

we have a master's program that is a revenue driver so Masters doesn't mean you're an expert it just means you're old I learned that the hard way so after you age out of college rowing folks can continue to grow until age 99 or whatever and they pay a fee um and it's open to anyone in the greater Fall River area we do try to focus on our youth programs in Fall

River proper if you will but it is open to Greater Fall River so our youth um from grades 6 through 12 can take advantage of learn to row programs competitive and recreational programs and we just added a stem to stern program which is sort of a national partner that brings in stem components into the sport of rowing well we also have Freedom Rose which is a program that we have just adopted or just adopted us to

provide rowing for military veterans and we are partnering with the power rowing Foundation to provide accessibility for athletes of all abilities so thus the ask for the docs um generally speaking newer docs are low profile they're handicap accessible they allow for rowers of all all abilities all levels to take advantage of rowing on the water we do have some boats that are adaptive now so amputees for example

you know athletes that have different differing abilities are able to get out on the water okay uh now who permission there you have from the city uh you have a letter in here I don't know that we have a letter yet okay not yet okay so part of that is probably the feasibility study of of of that and then an official letter um and I don't know if you'd have to go in

front of any other for uh since you're putting uh on the water the conservation border or planning if you have to go over that for licenses or any permanent

does the board have any questions okay it's eligible so this would fall under uh Recreation for 200 000 for the watuppa rolling Center if I have a motion to move it on to the next round I'll make a motion to move it forward I'll second that motion okay in first and a second uh rokovo Chris yes Caroline yes Jason yes Vic yes Alex yes John yes Rich yes okay all right

thank you if you have any questions give us a holler if you need any help absolutely we'll do thank you next is the uh Adirondack farm and bio Reserve Discovery Center uh it's no not there around yeah North yeah North burial around oh yeah that's a future what's up us yeah North burial ground okay so uh is anyone here for that okay it's under historic preservation this is a finish off the gate and masonry uh uh

restoration that's around the building uh on North Main Street for 93 000. they finished the building last year so this would finish that project down there does the board have any questions comments the gates will be restored refinished and new painted finished when they're done so uh can I have a motion to uh questions questions yeah so um I mean it doesn't really pertain to this project but um

I mean I know the city's you know asking for more funding but this this project that we already have proved that had nothing has happened like Central fire yeah well that's gone out the bid oh it's finally going out yeah okay everything is in the works and I just said in the other projects to everything else everything is uh moving along yeah uh this would wrap up that project finishing the gates okay

um so can we move the gates on uh historic preservation for 93 000 and its previous phases were completed two yeah okay as well yeah if you it's down on North Main Street beautiful the way they did it uh motion I make a motion to uh move into the next round second all right roll call vote uh Chris yes Caroline Jason yes Vic yes Alex yes John yes yeah yes all righty okay

northward northward Tupper uh pond uh sea wall goes to Ferlin it will thank you very much

uh Paul Ferlin the administrator of community utilities Forester and project manager for the White House presentation

go ahead I know there's a study for you it's because I think it's back again from last year yes so yeah so this is the study the uh sea walls that are on the north of patapa pond surrounding in particular areas of the Northwood top of pond there are sea worlds that uh that were constructed uh to originally absorb and dissipate some of the wind and wave energy stop erosion protect the drinking

water supply but then they also protect the shoreline around them um the location of these were provided in a map within the packet there are some down next to the Narrows Causeway which is off the side of 195. there are somewhere around the 1873 Waterworks complex there are some on the interlocking Causeway which crosses from uh it's actually a continuation of the old New Boston Road

and then there's also some up on the Wilson Road Causeway that crosses the upper section of the Northwood type of pond what we're looking to do is do a conditions assessment and a restoration plan so again these sea walls have been in place for a number of years what we'd like to do is do a full evaluation of them all the way around the pond be able to get a uh ranked consistency of the

condition of them around the pond and then also put together a plan to be able to restore them in future years moving forward

um I think the only I think it would average that they are historic in nature they're made of four of our branded you know Accords from the locals Granite um of course and um you know in many respects um you know they they uh you know there's an aesthetic to them that that matches um some of the other Civic buildings on on Bedford Street part of the Waterworks come over uh does the board have any questions

I know uh we're not big on doing studies I mean I'd rather have you do the study and come back and ask us for money for the sea wall uh I mean 82 doesn't sound like a lot of money but when you know we're we're using taxpayers money to do this where I think it goes somewhere else better and if you can fit this in your budget be a lot easier but it does fall under historic

preservation does the board have want to make a motion I got a question um so Mr fallen so if to say this project does get approved and it goes through the whole visibility study to John sponsor when when will the city is there like um a time frame once the feasibility study is done is to move forward with the project it was just kind of just kind of seeing first what

the visibility study shows yeah so it's like like any project of this magnitude the feasibility study will have to be evaluate what the conditions are because you know one area of the wall may may need uh you know total replacement one area may need uh repointing what we really need to do is get an expert in there to evaluate the different positions and come up with an estimate

the Hope from there moving forward would be able to find the grant funding of you through Mass historical uh MVP or different types of uh you know Watershed protection grants or potentially the CPC to be able to move forward with restoration okay all right so far it won't be City funded it'll just be through grants or through like yeah currently within the water department budget there is no budget to

uh to do this uh also there isn't any improved authorizations from the city council to move forward with any of this construction work okay so all right so if we go through with this and let's say you know the pentapon would obviously what the amount would be you know it will be funded it won't be funded through the city it'll be funded through the CPC or if there is Grants out there

so yeah yeah I'm you know I'm not saying that the city won't contribute to anything but uh you know I'm a big proponent looking for grant funding for any projects you know there is a number of Municipal vulnerability uh because this uh protects our uh drinking water supply so the municipal vulnerability preparedness may be an option um flood mitigation and protection maybe another uh Grant opportunity I'm a big

proponent of trying to search out all the Koreans that are possible to for different projects rather than going to uh our repayers now hey I'm a public service okay thank you that's all ahead thank you so much so uh what is the board switch make the motion to move on or I'll make a motion to move the seawall uh project forward to study I'll second that okay roll call vote Chris no question oh

uh I would probably put it under both yeah is it really recreational though I would say presentation open space I would say but not right historic preservation because the walls the Wall Storage so in the past we've we've already deemed that it was that it qualified under historic preservation yeah I would do my motion would be for historic preservation so just make it for historic preservation

and then Richard D seconds yeah sorry about that so roll call home Chris yes Caroline yes Jason yes good yes Alex yes John yes Rich yes okay thank you very much move on to the next one uh and around that Farm Bio Reserve Discovery Center um this is a open space Recreation historic preservation uh this is for the acquisition yeah so this is two parts of a portion of the funding would be used for

acquisition and a portion of the funding would be used for historic preservation of the structures on site oh that is uh so the 415 665 658 would be the purchase price is that how's that break down don't show if you want um you know this Project's a very exciting project for us it's something uh that the bio Reserve been looking at for uh years and years and the 20 years as it's been in place we've

been looking for a fire reserve uh Discovery Center um a couple of years ago we had Roger Williams University come in and look at a number of different sites throughout the buyer reserve and adjacent areas that could potentially be used as a uh a uh Discovery Center this uh particular property was identified as one of those um Roger Williams University also went as far as uh doing up some preliminary

ideas for reuse of the structures on site uh in the area so this is right in the entrance to the bio Reserve is it coming down Blossom Road um it's uh just before some of the Water Department property that's owned and then it you're able to go right in so just to answer your question on the funding the overall purchase of the property of 820 000.

um you know this this project was in front of the CPC in the past and um we've been here before one thing that we always hear from you is trying to use your money and leverage other funding as well um you know so we were able to uh to get other grant funding sources so it wasn't solely uh burdened on the CPC for uh the purchase of this like we have asked for

in the past we uh have been issued a land grant from the e-o-e-e-a to purchase a portion of the land in the back half of Seven Acres because they're in relation to open space that's what that Grant is in relation to so that can be applied to seven acres in the rear of the property arpa funding Bristol County arpa has also uh through the Bristol County Treasury has also approved a

portion of funding for the purchase as well as a large portion for the ReUse of the property our overall project is estimated two million dollars that's explained out there again that would be the purchase of the property and the CPC funds that would be used for the purchase of the property would be two hundred and fifteen thousand six hundred and fifty eight dollars that would go towards the purchase of the property

expect it to and then we would expect to use two hundred thousand dollars towards the adaptation in the preservation of the structures on site to adapt the facility to be used as a visited Center higher return to discover who sent up it's good um two questions I'm sorry John I was going to say that this is a good project I now is this going to be uh open all the time or is this going to be

weekends or so that's something we're still working with um you know uh the other partners that we have within the bio Reserve like I'm stealing 11 things that you would say I love it I'll take I'll take the whack that so so um we do have other partners in the buyers room we have the two State partners that match wildlife and the Department of Conservation Recreation then we also have the trustees of reservations and

um so uh but how how the how the center will be staffed still is still you know being worked out in terms of what we have in partnership with the school department which would be okay you know which would make a lot of sense um and so between a combination instead of a hybrid Staffing situation perhaps water department one of the buyers or partners and the school department that

has not that has yet to be you know sort of worked out yeah and some of our other partners too that we've uh worked without the um being a little Bond society and trustees the two other partners that do have facilities like this around staff of facilities and stuff like that so that's something we're going to be trying to work with them so we'll bring it to Fall River okay sounds good I'm

just uh just can do you have a breakdown of what the uh other funding sources you say EO eea and then the Opera yep so the EO eea land grant which was awarded the announcement came out of September 21st of that award that was 267 842 dollars uh and that's only for the land purchase for the land purchase 365 thousand dollars is coming from the Bristol County arpa funds and then put construction into that

adaption of the visitors centers we also have an additional one million dollars from the crystal County off of funds so a million dollars I'm sorry yeah so that's from the Bristol County Opera funds and that's for uh you know the repurposing of the facility to bring it to a business incentives from Discovery Center so the construction thank you any other questions good project thank you yeah that's good

yeah this is an exciting one yeah no that's that's good yeah that's a good one when everyone gets in it and it's not so yeah um yeah it's not solely on CPC you know leveraging the funds that you guys provide us you said it you get the grants today we appreciate the uh the multi-directional approach and if you could just include that in the proposal too in the next round just

useful just to tell the community yep without a doubt all right so can I have emotions and move this on to the next round under uh open space Recreation and historic preservation I'll make a motion is that good a second okay roll call vote Chris Caroline uh Jason yes good yes Alex yes John yes which is all right thank you gentlemen next up is the cultural center historic preservation and community housing

restoration Housing South Main Street 500 000.

can you just take your name and manual also known as Mark Dennis I purchased the cultural center uh last year um in March I didn't realize how big a building that was yeah I just fell in love with the hall which is probably the most beautiful Hall I've seen around here and so I bought it and I got a good deal on it but there was a lot that needed

work on like it was I after I found out that there was some ceiling uh some roof that needed help and that water did some damage to the beautiful designs that the hall has I myself I'm kind of handy so I've patched some of this stuff but it really needs a professional to really do it and uh it has 10 15 foot feet Windows very tall windows and then all the woods is rotting away

and some place you can put your fingers through because the glass dropped down and so I went out and also another problem is that because those holes in the window when we have a function if a band or a DJ's playing if you come outside it's noisy you can really hear the music and I was worried about right next door there's an old folks home so I'm always worried about waking them

up at 12 o'clock at night so I never know that this kind of help was around so I went up and I bought some scaffolding and I was gonna and cement blocks and I was just gonna block at least on the North side next to the old folksome I was going to block it with cement and so the noise wouldn't come and the elements wouldn't finish off the rest of

the windows and I'll patch up in inside as well as I could but someone told no you can probably get some help for these windows so I stopped the scaffolding is up but if I can get some help on getting those windows uh I won't cement them if not I gotta do what I gotta do um also the that building is a huge building and the only source of income it has is the

restaurant the hall and a travel agency that rents the on the on the side of the street and it's going to be very hard to keep up such a beautiful building with the with the money that restaurant makes and I'll do my best uh but so I thought maybe the second floor there's a lot of space and it's not used at all we don't have an air um an elevator therefore some businesses

try to go up there and the inspector says you can have a business here unless there's a wheel a wheelchair access so we don't have that so I thought maybe if we could do some apartments up there that would be more income and therefore we could keep the building historical as it's been through the years so any help you guys can I appreciate it if not I'll do the best I can with what I got yeah

Chris is this building on the uh historical uh oh yeah yes okay uh yeah it definitely qualifies building oh it's beautiful a lot of go down well the inside we can't help you with that it's kind of historical I know but have you ever been inside you gotta go inside yeah I've been yeah plenty of times uh he's applying for community housing too yeah and I don't know about the community house if we

have to have plans how it's going to be when you come I don't know if that's something you can put together and well I find the ground starts and where they uh with an architect but he wants nineteen thousand dollars right up front uh so I'm trying to look at one that can draw the plans a little bit more reasonable and then I have to go before the boards and yeah and get

uh at my point I mean the window restoration uh that looks like something you could put in for um yeah it'd be great to have some soundproof windows there yeah they don't open well they'd have to meet the Secretary of Standards it couldn't be you know uh whatever they suggest is what we put in uh uh and it's the just it's the Secretary of interior standards for historic preservation you can find like the whole

guidelines online through the the national park services website atmosphere okay uh does board have any questions so um I just have I guess I'm just a little confused so is you is this for funding for affordable apartments based on what what the application says I mean the purpose of this project isn't just restore affordable cultural formerly Baptist Temple so the part that calls out for update you saw windows

to neoclassic file sprinkler system and then basement top level and Rehab the upper level to make affordable apartments so was it just for affordable apartments is it is it is it going to be is there going to be accessibility for the public or yes first I would like to do the windows and then I'm working on getting approved for uh cheap housing affordable housing and just that little bit more with help keep

up the building because it's it's a it's a huge building to keep up I didn't realize till I got there yeah yeah I guess I'm still a little lost so um I mean I don't know nothing about the cultural club and I apologize um so is there like what kind of accessibilities will the public have oh we have weddings and Shop venues and oh there's a bit huge halls for events okay gotcha yeah thank you

right now I think the only thing we've got possibly do is uh the windows does the board have any comments suggestions Chris so I I think it just seems kind of all over the place and there really is not any clear definition of what's going to be done where the figures for all of this come from um the real plan for for what's going to happen there's no architect involved so

historic preservation it would qualify if you're talking about the windows but then it's going to have to be historically accurate it's going to have to be two secretary interior standards as well as anything else that gets done to the outside of the building afterwards because there's going to be a deed restriction on the building and it's all going to have to meet secretary interior standards

so I I just kind of feel like there's not really enough information for us to go on it's kind of like a a thought of you know there's this idea of what I want to do but you know there's no real details and so I'm kind of having a hard time with that well um on the Windows is there any question on it's outside it's well the thing is we need more information on it um

like I think it is just an application it's all over uh I think if you I would be suggesting that uh you bring this back next year and have a little more detailed of what housing or what you want to aim for and a little more detail for us to look at because you have 500 000 and we're hopping all over the place and uh I don't know the 500 000 is considering

all that I'm going to do but if you can't uh take the the windows for whatever they cost to make okay yeah yeah so uh so my my recommendation would be um so you can solicit quotes from an architect um and they can provide you a quote that doesn't mean you have to go with that firm and that's that point in time when you when you solicit a quote basically they like I explained to the other

um the other folks from the other project that you can you can do this in phases right so working with a professional they'll be able to write up the scope of work for you and say okay this is how much it can cost we can do these types of faces this is what our fee will be and you can come back to the board and say hey I have you know an

architect this is the scope of work this is the initial cost of what's going to be because for forecasting is very difficult I mean we're in a volatile market now that everything changes right like I can get a quote today in two hours from now it can change or my 24 hours it can change so it's just a recommendation that I think will be be helpful for for yourself to be able to

do that you don't have to like I said I did go to one architect and he says to go in there measure everything and just start it doesn't mean that you're going to get approved and they want nine nine nineteen thousand dollars right away to me oh that sounds like you need to get another architect so I would recommend you shop around yeah and and try um other Architects because they so they

can provide you with a quote now the board is not gonna outline the scope of work until they until they it gets up until you pay them basically but they can say hey this this will cost this firm will charge you I want to say 10 000 right for this foot to write up the scope of work at least you can come back to the board and say Hey you know and they can

maybe help you out and give you some kind of figuressa you know we can do a phase one that you know forecast and it can be not a it won't be an actual figure but a forecast amount so just a recommendation because you have a a hundred thousand for Windows did you get a bid for that I I didn't have like I didn't have time to get beds because when I found out about the

possibility of getting help yeah there's already starting to the fresh cement that bricks and then then I stopped yeah and uh so I just filled in the papers as best as I could yeah and um you know um yeah see it makes it hard on our part to uh because I don't know if a hundred thousand is close near or what uh um but I'll leave it up the board

so I'll just say uh so I agree with some of the comments made back my fellow community members um perhaps the community housing portion of this application isn't quite ready uh maybe as in the future as you come up with the plans for the second floor and we have more substance to go on with that you could reapply uh for community housing in regards to like I think it was the sprinklers and if I if the

elevator was included regarding the windows with historic preservation this is just the eligibility round he actually filled out the full application no it doesn't do yet so that's where you would really be answering a lot you would have to answer a lot of the funding questions so since is the eligibility round um we have the owner here who you know he literally stopped from cementing the

windows because he thought that there was you know a way that he can possibly do about this in a way more appropriate for the community that the community would want um he uh I would think that the windows are eligible as long as you recognize and understand and they have to meet Secretary of interior standards I heard you wanted to make them soundproof that might be the tricky part for you finding

historically accurate windows that would be sound proof so I would say I would vote to make to move the historic uh preservation aspect of the windows forward and give you time to you know solicit Architects with that in mind say it has to be Secretary of interior standards for these windows you're looking for them to be soundproof and you just need to get a couple figures out for the the funding ground and then

we kind of take it from there but and then you just kind of work on the community housing when you have those plans a little bit more solidified and on the Windows you have till January to get the three bids and all that in your estimates so I need three three estimates of what it's best to get three estimates yeah so do we want to make a motion to uh for window uh windows for a short

preservation uh we can say a hundred thousand but it's just eligibility so that can fluctuate uh yeah and just so you're aware this would come with the preservation deed restriction as Kristen mentioned where there would be other restrictions if you got this grant for the windows on like what you did to the exterior of the property they would often have to go to the historic commission for maybe guidance if you're

a little questionable on some future work but just so you're you're clear and you don't put in the work if you don't you don't want to accept the preservation deed restriction because we've had that happen oh thank you very much okay well did anyone want to make a motion for that I'll make a motion to move the windows portion of the application for it under historic preservation okay uh second

I'll second that all righty uh rokovo Chris yes Caroline yes Jason yes okay yes oh yes John yes Rich yes thank you thank you if you do need any guidance on it just give us a call yeah and that's a lot of stuff there's a lot of information on our website too if you're going there everything's listed John the other thing too is um I I think it would be a good idea for

you to I mean you'll need to be in touch with the historical commission anyway to get a letter of support but I think that the historical commission can also offer some guidance as to how you can um move forward with this as well yeah Kristen's actually on the commit committee where's where are they at are they in the city hall oh they're in the city so in City Hall the office

um the the the court for the historical commission is on the fifth floor I can't think of offhand what um it is but it's it's on the same floor as the building department it's just when you get off the elevators you go to the right it's real licensing is and it's it's the same office they are and you can speak with the clerk there and she can put you in touch with the chair of

the commission and um I know they meet the third Tuesday of every month they have a meeting as well okay thank you very much you're welcome thank you sir thank you uh the other parts of the housing parts that sound that's out yeah for this year this year next year you know if you're into that uh maybe stop in and see uh Mike Dion from CDA he can help you in the right direction because affordable

housing is something follower is looking for so it would be a nice addition but you it's it's a big undertaking so generally with the community housing projects they come to us with the plans already in development in the long way you know they might have got a historic tax credits and so forth and they're looking for some kind of relief and the the um Elevator Parts that would be under community housing

when you have those plans thank you all righty uh next uh Maritime Museum uh stork preservation avac system uh plant for ABAC system study hello how you doing Water Street uh forever 91 000.

yes hi uh Megan Russian I am the executive director at Battleship Cove and the Fall River Maritime Museum um so we are a non-profit 5013c3 Museum both the maritime and Battleship Cove we merged in 2015 I believe it was 2015.

um so we are asking for funding to complete phase three of this HVAC project um which you were all very familiar with um phases one was to create the engineering drawings for the electrical upgrades needed for this phase two was the electrical upgrades which are almost complete we were just a victim of supply chain issues right now where we're waiting on one part and we've been waiting on one part for so long just so

across the world it's just we're all waiting we're all just like sitting there going it's all ready to go we just need this one part we have a letter in our application from our current contractors stating that they're they're just waiting on the park um and then the that phase two will be completed and then this is phase three which will be to create the engineering drawings of the HVAC system itself so

that we can then take those and this also includes the construction drawings once that's phase three is done that's when we can actually take the project to bid to build said HVAC system and install it into the Maritime Museum currently The Maritime Museum only has heat it does not have air conditioning and that is a big problem for both the building it is historic Mill it's part of the American printing company it's

from the late 1800s down on Water Street it's a beautiful building so the lack of air conditioning is detrimental to the building in the summer it gets very warm in there and it is slowly causing issues to the building itself it also houses the museum in a very large collection of artifacts directly related to fall River's Maritime history the Fall River Line the whaling industry the textile

industry and the heat in the summer is also directly impacting all of those artifacts as well as the two libraries upstairs which contain a vast amount of documents to fall River's history so getting an HVAC system in there will allow us to climate control both the collection the building and the exhibits and preserve that history for everyone in Fall River and then we do allow

Public Access as we are a museum we also allow public to rent the maritime if they want for private events and this year Battleship Cove in The Maritime Museum became members of museums for all which is a program that is Nationwide specifically looking at making museums accessible for anyone regardless of economic background so anyone who has any sort of SNAP benefits can come for a

very reduced admission to the museum among all they have to do is bring a presentation of their EBT card and ID and we allow discounted admission to make sure that everyone has access to their history in Fall River any questions sorry that was a lot no I I know you you guys constantly got something down there you either rehabbing or fixing but now like when when it comes to Studies have you looked

into like any other grants we have and this isn't a study this is just actually making the drawings yeah um rather than doing engineer to draw the actual technical side of it um and we are looking into grants once we have the engineering drawings we can go for some federal grants that are specifically designed to help museums put in HVAC systems and there's a lot of Grant work in the Federal

Grant system once you have the drawings to help museums become sustainable in terms of um it's gone out of my word out of my brain for Energy Efficiency specifically looking at you know a modern HVAC system that helps us with energy bills looking at solar things like that to really help museums deal with climate change so there's a lot of funding there once we get through this phase of the project okay so this would

help you get to getting funding from the federal government for the yeah so you wouldn't be looking to come back for the you know phase four I I can't say for certain because I don't know what will happen in the next year you know what funding will we will get versus we won't I might I unfortunately can't say um but I am looking to apply for a lot of Federal grant for this project

because I know that the HVAC part of this project will be incredibly expensive more so than the previous phases have been because it is a large Mill building um so we will have to and you really can't get any idea on funding until you get the drawings where we that's the issue so the the architectural the the quote we have from our architect which is what we're submitting for includes

creating engineering drawings creating the construction drawings and then um one help a little bit to help us with the bid process when we get to that stage and then it concludes all of that so that we can go in um and really make sure we get really good bids for this project because it will be such a big project to put a whole HVAC system in a historic Mill from the 1800s so

um I got a couple questions um so is have you been working with this company I mean I obviously I'm new to the board I know there's just there's different phases um it's just look at some of the fees it's just it's gone up um since the last time we've applied you know I got I sought quotes from you know we've come for this project quite a bit and we work with

these Architects before and so I saw quotes to update because everything has gone so much no right there so I guess my question is have you solicited quotes from other Architects or is this just the folks that you guys are just going this is the ones they've already worked on the projects so they're familiar with it but um I'm also happy to solicit more quotes for the next phase like for the

January submission date if that would be beneficial I I if for me I mean I honestly it was nice to see see other other quotes I just I just think honestly I think their fee is just it's phenomenal I made it yeah I mean I'd like to see three quotes for two I mean it is an architect and so you do have your preferences who you like oh no I'm happy to get multiple quotes Okay yeah

that I think it'll it just for yourself just in general I mean I think is is great because um you know it's just when you're working on firm although it's good because they they've worked on a project they understand the project at the same time you know you just you're not sure exactly kind of what a better pricing you can get out there so I think it's I think it'll be helpful just to

just just to see you of course and I'm more than happy to do that yeah that'd be great thank you submit free quotes for that yeah thank you appreciate that any other questions okay so can I have a motion to move this onto a stork preservation for ninety one thousand I'll make a motion to move it forward under the uh historic preservation uh second I'll second it okay roll call vote Christine this Caroline Jason yes

Vic yes Alex yes John yes Rich yes all right thank you thanks thank you man have a great day have a good evening Art Association um looks like next up is the Art Association um they're applying again this year for um into historic preservation for 30 original wood windows Belmont Street 265 000 uh Donna Barnes uh last year we okayed them for their porch roof and a couple other things

Lord have any questions is John here for them John are you here for the uh Art Association John koska could you nudge uh John if he's uh here for us

does anyone in the audience there for the Art Association no it's just us John are you there

for the greater Fall River Art Association John are you are you there I don't even recognize that name as being associated with the artists from the people that have been before us in the past okay can we mute that that person I think it's good of course all right well I guess John's not here for us but did you have the uh I just had a question uh well just for the

public to know what the project is um the scope of work for the greater or fall greater Fall River Art Association asking for 265 thousand dollars scope work includes renovation and restoration of 30 wood windows um work shall include but not limited to the restoration of the windows including painting I was just wondering uh about the cost that seems a little high for 30 Windows 265 000 especially if we're kind

of going off of the Fall River admin building I think it's thick can you mute the price looks Frozen thank you um it just looked like it was a little higher so I was wondering where they got that cost estimate from and I was going to reiterate three cost estimates for the uh the next one because I'm sure you would Richard yeah yes I would when we send out a city when we send out

a letter maybe hold on I think everyone got lost on Zoom when we send out a letter for them to go on to the next round can we highlight three bids and all the quotes yeah so when it comes to so when it comes to private projects yeah they don't it's not required by law but I think although it's not required I think we should recommend what we did is listed in our requirements

but a lot of them don't you know okay so we're all set on that we need to take a vote uh well yeah I think they lost them they just lost so we were it's just um in the requirements we were asking for three costs uh cost estimates as well so reiterating that in the letter um going forward to provide three cost estimates I mean just because uh Farber and minute School Administration building I think

they said they were doing 70 windows for 260 000 this is 30 for 265. so just I know they said wooden windows so just to see where they get those numbers from and make sure they're uh all their worth yeah and that historic preservation applications need to go to uh get a letter from the historic Commission okay uh so can we make a motion for the uh greater form of Association to go under

a historic preservation for the next round for 30 windows for estimate 265.

yeah I'd make a motion that move forward is eligible the greater Fall River Art Association project okay Caroline yes Chris Chris yes oh yes uh Jason yes Vic yes Alex yes John yes Rich yes okay and I stated we're gonna when we send out the letters for them to move on to the next round we're gonna highlight like three bids uh Secretary of State Standards checking with the historic

commission we'll just highlight some of the key areas that way we won't run into problems come January when they submit um sounds good let's see uh okay that's uh no old business can I have a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn second Caroline yes uh Chris yes Jason yes Vic yes Alex yes John yes Bridge yes all right thank you thank you guys have a good night