The Fall River Historical Commission and Historic District Commission held a joint meeting on Tuesday, March 15th, at 6:01 PM. Key discussions included an update on an electrical panel installation at 518 High Street, where the commission approved the placement of a meter on an outdoor pedestal with a custom enclosure, following a 4-0 vote by the Historic District Commission and a 5-0 vote by the Historical Commission. The commissions also discussed the ongoing issue of properties in the historic district undertaking work without proper notification or permits, specifically a roof replacement at 259 Prospect Street, and explored solutions with the Building Department, such as IT flagging and updated permit applications. Further discussions revolved around the status of the proposed merger of the two commissions, which is awaiting review by the Ordinance Committee, and the ongoing development of preservation guidelines. The guidelines for 'Windows and Doors' were approved by both commissions (4-0 by HDC, 5-0 by HC), while other sections, including masonry, stucco, roofing, and exterior wood, require further revisions and clarification from the consultant. The meeting also celebrated the Knitting Mill Apartments receiving the 2022 Paul and Niki Sognus Award, for which the commission had provided a letter of support. The next meeting was rescheduled to Tuesday, April 12th, via Zoom, due to a scheduling conflict.
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thanks good evening everyone and welcome to the joint meeting of the historical commission in the historic district commission it is tuesday march 15th and it's 601 pm pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are
0:28being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible so i will first do a roll call of the historical commission uh ruben amaral present connie soul yeah richard mancini yes viazoom joyce rodricks present and christian cantera oliveira present by zoom all of the attendees tonight are attending uh remotely by zoom and next i hold a roll call for the
1:06historic district commission connie sol here richard mancini yes viazoom jason bouchard naraki here and kristen cantera oliveira here by zoom and all of tonight's attendees for the historic district commission are attending remotely by zoom do we have any citizen input this evening okay i just um before we start i just want to say hello to felicia demaris she's from the oliver public library and
1:42she's just kind of sitting in and listening and watching to see what it is that we do she's working on some um some special collections over the library and some of it has a lot of historic value so at some point she will probably be coming to us for either some um advice or a letter of support so she's sitting in on the meeting thank you okay so first up on the agenda we have
2:21notice of intent to demolish structure we did not receive any uh notifications to demolish anything this month and uh second is we received a correspondence from the nova group on behalf of t-mobile regarding telecommunication towers at 326 north main street um and what they want to do is just put up towers uh put up um antennas and they they already have them there it's not anything new for that
2:56location so what i can do is i can send that around to all of you because i just got that and you can take a look at it and then if you have any issues with it just let me know and uh we can we can discuss it at the next meeting okay then i'm moving on old business uh 518 high street electrical panel update so we did i know i sent it around to all
3:28of you um we did receive the um the updated rendering from corki and i asked him to be here at the meeting so that we could have any follow-up questions for him and any thoughts and concerns so uh thank you for attending my pleasure and i will uh let you all start i don't know if corky if you have anything that you want to say first or if the the board has questions um
4:03not really i had also asked our electrician to um to join but i'm not sure if he's able to make it um raymondson uh also i did um speak with the national grid representative who actually came out and they were actually the ones that proposed um this this alternative approach to take it off the the meter off of the building and put it on a small pedestal in the yard there is a requirement that it be
4:38accessible outside which i also confirmed with the fire department that there's a um a master cut off basically that if there's a fire the fire department can basically cut off all electricity to the house and in one shot so that's the reason why uh we couldn't leave it down in the basement so that's that's it nothing um nothing else uh just a just a question for you corky did anybody bring up the fact that you
5:10can put a shunt trip breaker out there and put a fireman's key by your front door and that would serve the purpose of disconnecting power i i talked to the fire department they didn't mention that as an option ah okay because that that's would been a very inexpensive alternative for you well i can always ask the fire department if that's if that's acceptable and also national grid if they have a
5:38mechanism for doing um something like that i had that's that's that's your contract okay that would supply that and and that's um that i'm sure would meet the require i know it would meet the requirements of your uh enforcing authority which is the electrical inspector so just just a question i'm throwing out there you know i'm trying to make things easier for you so can you give me the
6:04just repeat um what this device is what it is it's called a shunt trip breaker what you have out in your panel now is a regular manual breaker that you physically go over and turn off if required with the shunt trip you can do that by just disconnecting the by throwing a little switch actually and you have a firefighter key that iran most commercial buildings firefighters when they go into a building they want
6:37to get into the doors well you can put that same system on your door and it would be a little switch they would open the box flip the switch it would shut the breaker off they're quite common shunt trip breakers and and i know that this inspector would have no no problems at all with that okay and the other alternate would be check the raceway coming into your building uh see if it's adequate for
7:06uh new conductors and if it is then that would make it it would have eliminated the need to do all of the piping that you did you might just you know just something you can throw out there and check well the the the current design um was what was proposed by national grid so i figured that that was um there was a reason why they were proposing that so i i didn't realize um
7:38that there might be alternatives and you assume that the professionals know what they're talking about they really have it's again as as i explained to you at your initial meeting it's the authority enforcing the code that determines all of that not the utility company and the utility company's a jurisdiction ends at your property line so right and that's why we have the the current setup that we have which brings
8:05the line from the house to the property line basically and then making sure that into it yeah well i have no problem my personally with the pedestal uh up along the fence that i have no problem with that it's just an expensive way uh that that you have to you know you have to go to meet that standard well at this point um either i re i'm gonna have to move the meter one
8:34direction or another so um that seemed to be pretty straightforward based on um what the electrician and national grid said so that's why i was going to go with that route but it's interesting i wish i had known about the uh shunt trip breaker that might have made life a lot easier yes yeah and that raceway in mo in many cases is adequate for the new uh th-n cables
9:00so it would have been no digging at all just pull new cables in but that you have to check to make sure that conduct the raceway is large enough i think they actually had looked at that and it's not um it's the old it's very old yep so yeah we did look at that part and that that was gonna work okay okay connie connie or jason do you have any uh questions thoughts anything no no
9:40well i would i would if there were no other questions i would make a motion that we accept the pedestal out by the by i do have actually one question um will the pedestal be taller than the fence that's in front of the house um probably by um three to six inches okay well that brings up another question because i actually thought it was going to be the same level as the fence um
10:11is it going to be is it going to be like is there a carpenter that's going to do something like a housing around it so it it doesn't just look like a pedestal with something like a an electric meter stuck on it um we can certainly look into that and you know again i'm i'm relying upon the uh you can see it sits like kind of like center of your property i can't imagine that
10:46you really are going to enjoy that view either so believe me i'm i'm what i'm not enjoying right now is all the mud around the house because i can't make any progress on it right now so i i hear what you're saying um if if we can build an enclosure for the meter which will still meet the fire department's requirements for access which i don't see why we couldn't do that
11:16then that would be fine with me i would actually be very comfortable with that the meter i know the meter is supposed to be it's facing the house correct it's not it's away from the street so you won't see that but if if there's a way to just build a little something around it that way even like as you're walking if you're not kind of seeing it right from right
11:44yeah no i i think that that's a quite a reasonable idea so we have a motion i'll i'll second the motion okay so we have a motion and a second to approve the uh the electrical panel on a pedestal i will do a roll call vote connie soul yes richard mancini yes jason bouchard naraki yes and kristen cantera aloe vera yes so motion is approved um i will send a letter to uh to the building department
12:25so that you can um so that you can get that done or actually you know i'll send it right to you okay that sounds great yep i'll send it in an email okay thank you very much thank you have a good evening you too bye-bye take care okay uh moving on 710 rock street the uh porch update i did uh reach out to attorney rumsey and i have not heard back yet
12:58from him um i did i did ask him i told him what it was that we wanted to do that we wanted to send a letter um giving giving the owner 90 days to from the receipt of the letter to make uh the the the uh revisions the the uh that will meet our approval and if they don't then we could enforce up to a hundred dollar a day fine so i did ask him legally if
13:28that would be acceptable uh based on the current historic district commission ordinance so i'm just waiting here back and as soon as i do i can if he says it's okay i will draft up the letter and if not then i will let you all know what it is we need to take for the next step i none of you heard from the homeowner at this point right no okay no yeah no no one has
14:06okay uh moving on merger of the historical commission and historic district commission um i know jason had you heard anything um yes it was uh it was to go on their last meeting on the ordinance committee uh for some reason it was not added um i did reach out to uh pam um liberty and it is uh she has asked that it go on to the next meeting which i
14:34i think they do i think ordinance has two meetings a month so it should be in the next couple of weeks whatever that is so i was told that it is on the agenda okay okay i i'm gonna reach out because i want to be at the meeting so well we also sent out an email to the entire board and we have not heard back from any one of them and i cc'd you on it kristen
15:02i didn't get an email yeah i i sent an email to everyone on the board uh we talked about it and i sent it out to them when do you remember when you sent it i'm just almost a month ago because i actually looked it up today because i wanted to see um sorry i'm on my phone so it's like that's okay i'm just i'm looking too um oh here we go okay
15:43i sent it to the whole board yep you did okay that was wednesday february 23rd yep and i um no response whatsoever nope um i was going to do a follow up um but i see jason has but um i did send the email basically asking when it was going to be before them and if they could respond to let us know i mean you can read it if you want
16:16okay let me read it out let me just find it again hold on what's that i'm sorry did you send it to to all of us i didn't receive anything no well i'll give it to sean kadeem um i'm gonna yeah i'm gonna read it okay why don't you do it yeah that was back in at the end of february so i had forgotten about that hang on okay so it was sent to counselor
16:50kadeem counselor beyond counselor lee councillor raposo and counselor kilby and i was ceced on it so it says good afternoon the historic commission in the local historic district committee are looking for an update on the status of the potential merger between the two committees we understand that it has been moved to ordinances and legislation committee and request an update we have been waiting
17:16on this merger for over two years and hope that now that it's before your committee we will be moving forward connie sewell city of fall river historic commission local historic district commission so that's what the email was that connie had sent and so she has not received a response that's a little disconcerting
17:49it's bothersome that we didn't even get an acknowledgement that they would at least look into it uh from any of them right from any it's not like you only sent it to one so i think um tomorrow i'm gonna make a phone call at least at least one i will reach out to consort diana i believe she's the chair correct i think so so i'm gonna give her a call and if i
18:16get no answer i'll reach out to counselor kadeem i at least want to find out if we definitely are on the agenda and when because i want to be able to be at that meeting and uh i'll connie i'll i'll let you know too as vice chair i think we should both be there okay thank you okay um anything else anything else anybody wants to say joyce rick reuben now i'm back online somebody
18:51interrupted us with a phone call so i apologize for that well that's okay okay um so moving on preservation guidelines discussion and vote on drafts so the only um the only response that i got i know i i had asked you all to um to look the rest of them over and let me know if there was anything um any other comments or concerns that you had before i send them all to
19:31uh dominique and i have the original ones which was we had talked about the last month the masonry and the stucco about steam cleaning aloud um it's allowed in rhode island is it allowed in in massachusetts what does it fall under should that be included and then is laser cleaning acceptable and what wattage so that we already have to send to her and then i did receive an email from joyce so
19:59joyce has said she has only one observation and it's regarding roofing and it says guidelines for roofing page 3-0-8 gutters suggest adding information on gutter protection equipment such as gutter guards gutter helmet and leaf filter i would place the gutter section under the heading roof features and accessories not under roof decks i'm sorry does that mean we're suggesting to add that yeah that's joy
20:34that's what joyce is suggesting she's suggesting to add some information on gutter protection equipment like the gutter um helmet and leaf filters the gutter guards and that it should be placed under the section under a section called features and accessories rather than roof decks do you want a little more to that i noticed that because on the roofing accessories they talk about the addition of solar panels
21:09so my thought was that anything like um leaf protection might be considered an accessory
21:24i actually don't agree with that that recommendation that's me personally um i can show you pictures of um the damage that those uh protectors actually cause with gutters um we've had it i've had it right here in the 40c district i actually have videos of of it and pictures so i personally would not recommend that be an accessory to use on a historic property so then should we have something in there
22:02just basically saying that we don't we could ask them you know you know what i mean just to say that because if that question comes up and somebody wants to know are are they allowed on historic why don't we ask dominique her professional opinion since she this is what she does and so maybe inquiring with her
22:47okay so that's what i'll do did anyone else have anything any other things that they noticed or wanted to reuben looks like he does yeah um honestly they're pretty well done and the only addition i have is under exterior wood uh section about artificial trim she mainly discusses pvc trim and i brought this up when we were discussing this with her back in august i think that composite
23:22trim should be really included so it doesn't expand as much as pvc so the gaps that you need around it aren't as great and they're much more they hold paint much better than pvc uh it's like a poly ash trim doesn't have to say that but a composite trim should be added in there so people have that option and it actually looks more like wood than pvc i recall is talking about that with her
23:57okay so i'll ask her to add that too do you um do you feel like we need to have another meeting with her do we need to have her um as like be here for any discussion now or do you want to just send her our thoughts and then see what she responds back i mean i i don't feel that we necessarily need her to to be at a meeting right now i just
24:27i i want to make sure that you guys are all summarize that the requests and then send it to her and then if she can send the if we can just see the updated sections that should suffice instead of a full meeting okay i think that's my opinion i agree with that and i concur with you also okay so that's what we'll do so i'll send her all the things we discussed the possible
24:59changes um questions and then i will ask her once the changes are made just to send us the updated sections and then we can look at that and go from there sounds good okay you can see where she's uh put this program together in other areas because all of the little nuances that you pick up as you go along seem to be in here so i i thought it was a very well done document also
25:31yeah i thought it was an education in itself because you need a lot more background than i have to understand all of the comments that were made i mean you need a building experience engineering experience so i'm keeping all those in a in my binder and refer to them every so often when i need to have more information i think the great thing is that once this document is finished anybody will have access to this so
26:09anybody that's working on a property in the city uh historic property is gonna have access to it and they will in essence know what it is that they need to do and then if they're working with a contractor that maybe hasn't done it before the contractor will have access to this and it'll just answer so many more questions and hopefully alleviate some of the issues that we found in the past of
26:32you know damage inadvertently being done by something being done the wrong way don't start property so and definitely um it'll help us when we're making decisions in the district itself because everything is going to be there in black and white so it's a lot easier to say to a homeowner these are our expectations this is how something really should be done and you know it is easier to explain it to somebody
27:00when you have it there in black and white when you have the reasoning behind something when you have photos and images of how something should look or why something should look a certain way so okay um any other comments on that okay so i will send those to dominique uh i want to take a vote on that connie uh kristen you want to take a vote on that that it's all it's just acceptable to
27:40to send to her uh if you want yeah if you want to make uh if you want to make a motion we can that's fine okay i would make a motion that we vote on that on on the current program and get it to dominique as a positive or a negative comment you mean what we have already sent in is our comments that you want to accept all the comments and send them to them and
28:12accept the written uh proposal at this point you mean once she makes the changes or in anticipation of the changes in anticipation you know the document now is is appears to be very well done right we're going to just add a few more just a few changes that we'd like to make but i would vote to accept it if that's my motion to send that to her so that
28:44we get the board to prove it we have not approved it as such at this time okay so i have a motion to accept what has been written so far the sections that have been sent to us once the changes are made um so before before i ask for a second so my only my only thing on that is we we had some questions for her that haven't been answered yet which is is steam cleaning allowed
29:22and what would it fall under and can we add it or should it be included and then is laser cleaning acceptable so there's there's questions too that i mean as long as you feel fine with her writing up those sections without us seeing them before we approve them that's and that's called closet material yeah and the yeah and the composite um as well and just asking her should we include anything on gutters and
29:52gutter accessories so um so we i mean certainly you can you can make the motion i know that there are still some questions out there that we don't know the answers to yet so um so i i i hear you loud and clear i'll i'll resend that and i'm just trying to get this process completed it's been dragging on right you know shorten it up but i i'll i'll pull that off the table and and
30:22go along with waiting if you send her this uh the information that we want to pass along for her to update perhaps if she sends it to us and then maybe we could either have a special meeting just for that to approve it or if it takes longer then we can have it at our next meeting yeah that's absolutely absolutely that way we can move it along yeah okay so we have two guideline drafts
30:49that are approved it's the other two that need some adjustments or do we want to just tell her okay on those two and then wait for her changes on the other two documents so the composite one is one that that we are saying that we're fine with right so she didn't add it right yeah she didn't she'll just have to add it so the roofing and roofing in windows seem like you don't have any comments on
31:24so oh you you oh you mean the sections that we have no comments on who goes yeah then that would be a good that would be a good thing to do yeah so if we want to if either rick or ruben if you want to make a motion on the sections that we have no questions on then certainly we can tell where those are approved so if you want to just make a motion and
31:46tell me which sections we are definitely approving and i will tell her that sure i'll make a motion to approve the hd guidelines for roofing and for windows and doors well joyce's question on the gutters gutter accessories does that fall on the roofing it it did it didn't come under everything that's what i thought okay uh i don't know if we were proceeding with adding that into there
32:25well i know connie had said we should just ask her okay if if um in her professional opinion something like that should be allowed because it is a question that will that may come up so we should at least know what to say when somebody asks us that question my fault so i'll make a motion to approve the at least the guidelines for windows and doors okay so i have a motion to approve the
32:52guidelines for windows and doors and let her know that do i have a second i'll second okay motion in a second uh roll call vote okay so i'm gonna do both i'm gonna do both commissions separately uh so historic district commission connie seoul yes rick mancini yes jason bouchard naraki yes and kristen cantera oliveira yes okay now historical commission console yes joyce rodriguez yes rick mancini yes uh ruben amero
33:32yes and kristen cantera oliveira yes so okay so windows and doors is approved by both commissions and the other ones we have um we have questions on those so those we will send her the changes and as soon as she sends them back i will let you know and we can decide if we're going to have a special meeting for it or if we're just going to include it in the next meeting okay
34:04so next up new business uh 259 prospect street and they were working on roofs without notification to the historic district commission and i'm going to let connie soul talk about this one because she um she was the one that initially saw this happening and this is uh this is the deaconess home so connie if you wanna whether it's yeah i i saw it happening i contacted you because i didn't know maybe they had
34:37reached out to us and i missed something um i called the building department um they did pull a permit and it was an error on the building department um so uh kristen i think you spoke with frank from the building department who yeah i can if you want me to take it from take it from here okay so i i called the building department after connie told me that they had actually approved
35:08the permit and i was not happy about that um and i spoke with frank and he did say that he had in error given a permit and he apologized and i express our concerns that it has happened a little more frequently than we would like because i mean even one time is more frequently than we'd like but this is already i believe the third time now something has happened in the district and i said
35:38that there needs to be some kind of a better system in place for the building department to check because it really is only 47 properties so it should not be happening it's not uh it's not like they have a list of 500 properties that they need to look through so frank's thought on that was to contact the i.t department and see if there was a way that the i.t department
36:04could put some type of a flag on the 47 properties in the computer so that when the building department goes to look them up an automatic flag of some type pops up so that they know it's in um it's in the district and that they know that they can't issue any permits until they have our permission i don't know yet i haven't heard back from frank to let me know um if the if the uh
36:35it department has come up with a way to do that but i i'm going to reach back out tim but i also wanted to have this discussion before i reach back out to him in case you all have any other suggestions or ideas uh that i can share with frank and or i t so it was it was right before it was like the day or two before the really
37:03bad storm that we were going to be having so rather than because he initially was going to tell them to stop all together and the roof was was pretty much torn apart so connie and i felt that rather than make them cover it up and and risk a lot of damage to the property in the storm to let them just finish at least the the roof on the house i know i don't i don't think they
37:28did the garage one did they connie they did it all they were frank was supposed to just have them do the one they did it all um and and it the other reason why we decided that too was because it was no fault of the of theirs right it was the building department that you know slipped up so um and with the storm coming i just it it just risked the property to
38:00you know put it at high risk for some kind of water damage or whatever unnecessarily right but i i i guess to that you know it's you're saying it's not their fault but in essence anybody that's in the 40c district is aware by now that they're in the 40c district and we have sent letters before saying that if they're going to do any work on the property they still need to come before us
38:29so i don't understand why it's still an issue with homeowners and the building department it's they have two they have two properties in the 40c and they keep them very um incredibly in good shape so i'm thinking perhaps they didn't realize that the roof was part of this or i'm not 100 sure but i do feel like we police this and it's tiresome like i really feel like perhaps the flagging will work so when an address
39:05gets punched in so that it's alerted that it's in the 40c um and i hope he goes through with that i i don't know any other way i mean we've created a map we've given it to them so that they have it we've even told them if any anyone that walks in with these four streets just check them automatically exactly four student names that's it there should be something right on the counter and
39:36but do they need a a list eliminated and in bold colors
39:48i mean every other community that has an uh has a local historic district is what they do um and i from experience with with providence because the properties that my company has they're all in historic districts and um with numerous different layers that we have to go through for approvals so once we pull any type of permit on anything there's a flag we have to go see this commission or that commission so they that
40:17should happen here i don't know why so from my knowledge i.t in at city hall is very very backed up um so i think it's like one or two people maybe um so we maybe we do need to go over there with more lists i guess and with the addresses just kind of hold them over until this can get fixed it's only 47 houses we could fit that into you know brightly colored sheets of paper
40:51we can do that again but that actually has been done i know yeah i i mean i don't know what they do with the lists um you know i had been there one time and and i said tape it down to the counter right here just tape it right here okay that's what we'll do whether it got done i don't know um this was probably two years ago i mean this is this has been an ongoing
41:26it's probably like everywhere else you have signs up you have things up and you become pretty immune to looking at it like it means nothing it you know so the flagging i think is probably the only way so that when you're entering an address that it alerts you um and i t whether they're backed up or not it's a priority it's you know they need to make this a priority
41:54so from what i from what i read online um they're going to be revamping the whole uh the whole city website and i i don't know that has anything to do with internally with the building department looking things up but i'm sure they're gonna be you know that's gonna come up well we're in the middle of blah blah blah blah doing this and and my um my response to that will be well
42:23the building department's in violation of an ordinance in the city so i think that takes precedence over numerous violations of the ordinance yeah have you do you know what that process is so you walk in and you say hi i want a permit for a new porch um where does it go from there like who starts the process i know ultimately one of the um inspectors are the ones that sign it
42:56right i have to get to them they fill out an application there's a there's a paper that they fill out and they ask for the specs and then it gets turned into one of the building inspectors that i that i know of and then they either approve it or they they don't approve it and i'm not really sure i don't really know between anyone checking everything out that people are filling out in the application that it's
43:24all uh legit i don't know there's a checklist they're supposed to follow and the weird thing is i will get emails sometimes um from kerry and she'll say so and so is uh looking to do siding on this property or change the windows on that from and none of these properties are even remotely near the historic district and i will still get you know is this allowed are they allowed to do this on
43:52random properties but then in the district things like this happens i i honestly can't answer that question i don't know what their rhyme or reason is and how they do anything there is supposed to be a checklist i know for demo there's there's a checklist because anything that's being demoed although i shouldn't say anything because obviously we know in the past that that's happened as well
44:17there is supposed to for demo anyway they're supposed to follow the checklist and we you know we are one of the the people that are supposed to sign off on that so until until we have signed off on something or until i send a letter saying this is not on the register or this is on the register they need to come before us um but as far as the other part of it when
44:41they're looking to do a roof or a porch or anything like that i don't know what the exact process is other than they're supposed to at least check to make sure it's not in the district so um
45:08what happened to alex i don't know i don't know it says live on facebook um i don't well we're gonna go out with a meeting um on the on the applications um i don't know how easy it is for them to change their forms is there a box they can add that says is this address part of the 4dc district and then a little you know bold letters c you know
45:40table blah blah blah for the list of addresses and that's part of the part of the form i don't know um just something it's a foolproof method i'm trying to i would like to think it's foolproof um but it forces at least the homeowner as they're checking or filling out their form yes i am in the 40c district and that should throw a red flag to whomever in building department that oh
46:08well you know you need to go see the htc first i don't know jason you just gave me an idea maybe we could have color-coded forms for the district and others and then those color-coded forms would identify themselves as they go through the process that's not how the form is handed out it's a blank form and you just put your address in there so so yeah so i mean yeah we can't color code the forms they
46:51come from the building department so the only way that that could be done is if the building department has still says it's being streamed on facebook so maybe i can i can just yeah alex alex it said something that recording has stopped but it's still showing it live on facebook so yeah i got kicked out here um i should be able to pull the file from facebook so it shouldn't be an
47:16issue okay so we can still go on yes yes sorry about that machine crashed yeah um yeah so like i was saying but what jason's saying where if we add if we ask them to add a line to their application is is this in the 40s because i don't see why that well i was recording liquid but it's still when i logged in and said this is still being live streamed so alex doesn't realize that his
47:44life is on but that's open they're probably great yeah alex you're not muted oh i'm sorry that's okay all right there we go so um i mean that's what we can we can certainly do that ask them if there's a way to add it onto the application is this address in the 40c district because i mean it makes absolute perfect sense are they going to overlook it who knows
48:18but at least it's still a step in the right direction but whether or not they are willing to change their application is another story as well and flagging i think flagging it in the system is also a good idea because then you know as new properties get added if we if we have new 40c districts then at least there's a way already in place and so we have two we have like you know two checks
48:44so that we can say you know okay well you missed this one but there's this back up or you know you didn't it's not in the system but okay you didn't look in the computer but it's right here on the application so those are certainly two um two good things and i mean i can go down i can have another um i can have another meeting with glenn i haven't actually
49:08sat with glenn in probably a couple of years so i don't mind doing that i know in the past i don't know if you recall they did um alter the application to that was the demo yeah yeah so they're capable of doing that yeah absolutely i'm not saying they're not capable it's a matter of willing yeah so but i think knowing that this is probably the i think at least the third time
49:39that now they've approved something that shouldn't have been approved i think they would they should be willing to uh make an exception in this case and um you know i can i i'll ask frank what what the story is with with it and if if need be i will reach out to it myself but i i think a meeting with glenn would probably be in order at this point it's been a couple years so
50:13any other suggestions reuben wreck no that's that's fine we can anything we try let's see if it works again keep trying nothing on my end all right um let's see so next up open discussion does anyone have anything any new so i just i have one thing it just came in i just got this email uh like 20 minutes before the meeting and it is from the architectural team
51:00and i know um if you remember they came before us at the last meeting and they were looking for a letter of support because they were applying for um an award so the email says hi all we are excited to share that knitting mill apartments has been awarded the 200 a 2022 paul and nikki songus award we are happy to see this project win some well-deserved recognition and appreciate your help with the award submission
51:25so um congratulations to them yes i think that's that's great so um yeah so that's the only thing i have um nice to get the feedback any anything else just just quickly a 262 french street uh they there were a couple of columns and it's nothing but a four by four and and and the uh the balusters and the railings were not touched it appeared that the both two by fours at the bottom
52:06of the handrails were were rotted i guess and were replaced so it's like in kind and it was only those two columns and that was a 262 french street uh but it's it's there was no changes and it was just two pieces of four by four you know probably four foot high on each side that would were changed out so and i just noticed that because it wasn't white it was nice fresh lumber so okay
52:42i mean still and that's one of the historic uh homes so i guess there was no pyramid pulled probably not and yeah i mean again it's so regardless of whether they're doing it you know replacing incoming they are still supposed to so um i don't know maybe do we need to send another letter around reminding people because we have the one that says you know it's spring and this means that
53:09people are going to start doing work on the property and just a reminder if anything is being done you really sure wouldn't hurt okay
53:30does everyone agree yes i mean we already have a letter just update uh the date yep we have i mean we have the letter and it just says you know this is you're in the district if you're doing any work you really need to reach out to us prior to anything being done so yep and carrie has the addresses so she should be able to do this easily generate a list and you know of labels and
54:02put them on and i'm willing to go down there and do it just if she can print up the labels i'm willing to stick them in the envelopes so just to make sure that you know they all go out so anything else uh i will not be able to attend the april 19th meeting okay i'm gonna i'll be out out of state okay so um maybe we can make it for a different
54:41date because without you we don't have a quorum for the district well if we could move it to the 18th that would be fine that would be a monday but um that's only a suggestion okay so monday the 18th can i can everybody do monday the 18th oh actually let me look because i don't think i can do that date hold on let me check um i have to file my taxes that day
55:12oh well then i get that i can make it if it's if everyone else is available
55:35is that celebrated as a holiday because my phone says it's easter monday so i don't even i don't know if they i think so i don't think so okay i don't think it's a federal austin holiday okay so i mean that's the day after easter but if you wanna is that school vacation does that matter to anyone april vacation no april vacation is the week after the 25th or the 29th really yep yeah okay
56:15um i always thought it was right after easter okay all right so can everyone do the 18 instead i can oh it's patriots day oh it is yeah oh is it really yeah because it says tax day and easter monday but it doesn't say anything about patriots day yeah i just googled it the monday april 18th so then it is a holiday yeah this is city hall will be closed and yeah so
56:53if we did it the week before or could we push it up to the week after i'm just thinking about the um the guidelines i think is really what's pressing so april 12 tuesday april can we do that sure for me it's okay i can do it works for me i'll do it joyce tuesday that's fine that's fine okay um alex are you there yep do do you have anything scheduled for tuesday april 12 for zoom
57:36uh i don't believe so okay so can we'll try and book i don't know if the room is available i can see if the room is available um to do in person um but i'm not i'm not sure because i think that's all so i mean i i'm pretty sure that's the tuesday city council meets as well so even like around that time parking gets sketchy depending um but we'll we'll
58:07go with tuesday april 12th i'll see if the room is available and if not we'll do zoom as a backup unless you prefer to do zoom it's some you know it doesn't matter to me if zoom works we already know alex has the date open so if it's an option um just looking at my my calendar um i probably will not be able to do it in person i can do zoom though okay so the 12th
58:34we'll do zoom then sounds good april 12th zoom meeting alex does that work okay so april 12th will be our next meeting and we will do that by zoom and that will be at six o'clock and if nobody has anything else then i will entertain a motion to end the meeting and we get that we got that right to exactly one hour very good and that's 7 p.m so can i so
59:18i know so can i get a motion from the historical commission i make a motion to adjourn okay i have a motion i have a motion and a second historical commission roll call connie soul yes joyce rodricks yes rick mancini yes reuben amral yes kristen cantera oliveira yes can i get a motion from the historic district commission a motion make a motion two second okay a motion in a second to adjourn connie sull yes
59:55rick mantini yes jason boucha in iraqi yes christian cantera oliveira yes so uh motion carries we are adjourned thank you everyone and next month have a good night