5.18.2026 Community Preservation Committee

Uh welcome to the uh community preservation meeting. Uh we're one government center hearing room. It's uh m uh May 18th, 2026. It's 6:00.

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Uh before I uh go to roll call, I just want to take a minute of silence for uh uh Mike Leage who passed away, retired firefighter and uh a uh founding of the fire museum. So just a minute his uh honor.

All right. Ready. Thank you.

You're welcome. Thank you. Uh we'll start by roll call to my left.

Michael Faras, Alexander Silva, Kristen Caner, Alivera, John Brandt, Rick Mani, Chris Benvites.

Uh we're missing Joanne Bentley and Jim Hornsby. And we also have tonight Sandy Dennis, our administrative assistant.

And we have Craig from FRGTV.

And one open seat. I have one open seat on the park department. Uh park.

Uh let's see. Can I have a motion for approval of the minutes from um we get to No, that I have to finish those. There's a lot of typos in the transcription, so I just ran out of time. So that'll be done for the next meeting.

Uh okay. Can I have a motion for approval of minutes from uh April March? Okay. Well, we have to table March 16th.

Okay. Can we have a motion table 16?

Yeah. But did we do citizen input? Mhm.

Did you do citizen input for us?

Oh. Um, before we did that, is there any citizen input?

No. Okay.

I get used on the last of the uh conservation. So, I always Okay. Uh motion to table the minutes from the March 16th.

A motion to uh table the minutes for March 16, 2026.

Second.

All in favor?

I.

Okay. Can I have approval of minutes from April 27th?

I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes from April 27th, 2026.

I'll second that motion.

All in favor?

I Okay. Next, we have a cycle funding request from community housing acquisition of 604 Rock Street.

Yep. And I just have to recuse myself from this. I'm on the board of the preservation site.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, when you start, uh, Jim, I just take your name and address and all that, too. But can you tell us uh how many properties you have?

Yes.

Uh, if they're all uh up and running, I guess if you got any construction going on now, or just to let us know how.

My name is James Souza. Um, I reside at 300 Stson Street in Fall River. I'm the vice president of the preservation society of Fall River. I'm here to from the preservation site if order to request $500,000 in community preservation act funds under the community housing and historic preservation categories to contribute to the acquisition of the circa 1892 Edward Hathaway house located at 604 Rock

Street currently has eight units of rental housing. The goal of this project is to purchase this historic property which is located in the lower historic national historic district as well as the city's only protected local historic district and create new affordable housing units while long-term preservation efforts respective of the pro protected historic district are made. The scope of the project for CPA

funds is for the acquisition of the 604 Rock Street with all requested CPA funds going to the purchase of the property.

Preservation Society, a signed offer and a draft purchase and sales agreement in review with current owner of the 604 Rock Street. The sale is contingent on the approval of the CPA grant request.

The preservation society has already received a commitment of financing to support the project in the amount of $600,000 from Bayos Bank in the form of a standard mortgage. The Preservation Society of Forever is a 501c3 nonprofit organization dedicated to preserving the architectural history of Fall River. The Preservation Society is registered community housing development organization. I have Steve Long here

who's part of the Cho, the community housing development organization agency.

And in recent years, the preservation society has worked with CDA to purchase and renovate two historic properties in Fore River, creating seven new units of deed restricted affordable housing in the community. We currently have four houses. We have one that CPA has helped us purchase on Pine Street, the Dr.

Isaac Fisk House. We have a a um Valentine carriage house on um um Purchase Street that has two units.

The Fisk House has seven units. The um uh Purchase Street house has two units.

We have a house on um June Street that has f four units. Yep. And CDA was part of helping us acquire that one and get it renovated. Um and then we also have one on Lynen Street which has three units.

Again, that was part of CDA's uh help in purchasing and getting us up uh and running with that one. They're all occupied um and according with this the um housing standards um currently they're all renovated I'll say but we continually upgrade things that are going on. We we try to um make each house as historical in nature as we can.

Um and that's what we intend on doing with this one also.

That's right. So that's eight units in that one.

Yes. And so that would the deep restriction would go in there for for housing for for that sounds good. Um how many units would you require for that?

Uh normally we require uh 20% of the house to be uh affordable. So this one is a a nice looking project for us. We've never done up to eight. So this they're all uh single bedroom two.

They're one bedrooms which are which is a big need in the city right now. the one this is uh it's statewide uh HCPA they big push is for uh community housing so this is project does the board have any questions yeah I've got a couple questions uh being a resident in that neighborhood the um and again my my children went to Antioch school which is just to uh the question I have a few questions

so the first one is are you looking for uh CPA money associated with the uh affordable housing component of it or because it's historical as well.

Well, we it it we have it selected as um housing and preservation because it fits both categories. So, it's it's up to the board on where the funds come from.

Okay.

Um but it's it's really just to the for the acquisition of the home, not so much for renovation at the moment. We plan on doing that in the future, but it's truly for the the full acquisition of the home. And what's the you're asking for for half a million 500 half a million and we're getting a mortgage of 600,000.

And what is the asking price on that particular unit?

1.1 million for the house.

The asking price is a million but it's it's 1.1 in financing.

So yeah, look, I've seen the price for that particular unit. I this doesn't come to the top of my mind but is the funding also going to be part of the renovations or is it just the acquisition at there will be a little bit at the at the present time we put together a performer for it. Um it financially it's stable if we get all the funding. Uh at the present time there's going to be about

cuz some of the numbers are a little bit up but it's going to be about $40,000 in the reserve. Uh we're also got a plan of putting like $600 a month into reserves.

Uh and so we can do a little bit. We might be able to start the the the facade. Um we're hoping to uh but the first thing we have to do is acquire the property. Um and then we'll move into the renovations of the property. Prior to this, under the community development block grant program where we went for funding under the home investment partnership, those were all affordable housing, but we were able to find

properties that we could also do historical preservation. So, it's, you know, we killed two birds with one stone, but the problem with it is it's funding that it becomes expensive. Um, so that's why we need to come for grants and that type of stuff to keep the the affordability within because I think the highest rent we're receiving in there right now is probably about a,000 bucks.

Okay.

Now, but once we put it all when we look at the 600,000, it fits. But when we start talking res renovations, if we had to go out and get mortgages to do the renovations, we would be in uh very difficult, very difficult. So, it's it's really depends on receiving grants either from the community development agency.

Oh, definitely triage like the project as they go along in the years as far as what needs to be done first.

Yeah, I mean it's obvious. I know I'm very familiar with that property. It looks like a lot.

Yeah, it's been it's been taken apart.

Yeah, the inside the inside's been taken fairly. It's you know, it's not A lot of these properties you walk into when we've been looking at them and they chop them up and they're just all over the place. But not this one. This one has been uh preserved fairly well. The staircases are pretty well preserved. Uh even inside the apartments are pretty well preserved. It does need some TLC

both inside and out. Um, you know, and we're as soon as this is we're already putting in for a full inspection, they're going to go in for the interior and tell us what the electrical units are, what the what the uh plumbing, all the uh uh all the pieces, roof.

The other thing too, like we didn't with the Lynen Street and the June Street property, they were empty properties.

So, we were able to like renovate inside and out all together right to begin with and then rent them out. Whereas the Fisk house was fully occupied. Not fully, there was one unit empty, but we didn't really fix the units when when as people left, then we renovated.

Yep.

And that's what our plan would be with this too.

Okay. And what's the occupancy right now? Uh is it right now? 100%.

It's 100% occupied of all eight units. I mean, we would surely go in and fix things that are like immediately necessary for the for a tenant, but I mean, as far as like going through the whole apartment, we usually wait until someone leaves.

Yeah. I mean, I I know I've done this. I own properties of the same caliber and nature. The um the outside the I would assume um the outside's going to be addressed. That's what really that community is going to see at the end of the day, how it works on the inside.

Yeah, we're going to do we're going to be looking at replacing windows, you know, pulling that side down and putting historic siding. Going to start looking for pictures that show the original house and how it was done. Um, and try to keep within that within that tone.

But, uh, yeah, it's a, uh, it's it's fun trying to put all this together because you start getting into it. like if we go with CDA funding um and you go with multiple multiple units so twobedroom, three bedrooms, that type of stuff when we do the renovation, we have to do the deleting certificates, you have to go through all of those things and it's it's it's not cheap. Um but I think it's

well worth it um if you're looking down the road that this building will be preserved and within that preservation, we're also preserving affordable housing to uh people who really need it. And I think they'll, you know, I think they'll appreciate living in a a beautiful building. Um, so Mike from CDA will be helping you.

There's no money from CDA in this as of right now.

Right now.

Okay. Maybe when we go further down, either we come back here for renovation money or we go to him for renovation money. We're going to be looking for some renovation money in the not too distant future, but right now it's to acquire the property. the uh the seller is really uh anxious anxious to uh move this and he's put us on quite a tight time frame uh to get it done.

Did you say that all of the apartments or percentage are going to be affordable housing?

Whatever you guys decide you want. I I think it was 20 originally it was 20%.

It still is. Yes.

Yeah. So we would like it to be eight if that could be possible. I mean all eight. Yeah.

How about half?

50%.

Yeah, that's 50%.

We can do 50%. That'll be good.

All right.

Um, how did you guys get to the $500,000 number?

Just going through the what we had to do is just came down and said, "How much money are we going to need to get this done?"

Um, and we actually went for an additional $100,000 from Bakos to take care of all the other bills that come in with it while we 42 minutes and 32 seconds.

Now, we got attorney fees, appraisal fees, 42 minutes per mile.

Sorry guys.

You know, we still have a uh with Bay's uh application fee is 2500 bucks. We got appraisal fees, we got inspection fees, we got that's not included in the 500, right? So you started with you backed into it by getting the mortgage approval first and then you and then from there the 500,000 came out of that knowing that it was 1.1.

The way we started was they were asking for I forget what it was 1.2 1.3 something like that. They were asking that kind of money.

Yeah.

And uh so we just went in and started to look at and say let's make an offer. and we made an offer contingent that we could put the financing together. And then we started working on the financing. We came up with the numbers and said, "We can afford a $600,000 mortgage if the rents stay the same, but we're going to need an additional 500 to get the whole thing done."

So, that's when it came into CPA.

Yep. Good. Thank you.

Any other questions?

Do you um do you have an architect in mind? like somebody that's going to follow?

No, we do not at the m at the moment.

Um, we deal with a few contractors. Um, we've dealt with a few architects through um CPA that we've used for the windows and stuff like that on the fiscal. So, we don't have an exact architect at all yet, but uh obviously we do when we we we get try and get a couple estimates who's more reasonable, who can we afford more, right? But there's no one specific that I can actually tell you. And because again, I

don't actually even know exactly what we're going to work on first.

Is this is this zone for for multif family? Because I'm looking up the the $1,75,000 for the ask a price. And that's again it's just the Zillow estimate to this.

Um what did what was the agreed upon dollar amount? So you're looking 500,000. Then you're taking the mortgage out for the other 600 600,000 and that'll cover your expenses and stuff like that for acquisition and purchase of the the property and then later on you'll have to come again in front of us for like windows and well hopefully too like we're getting funds from rental to like help with the

renovation which which we have done with our other prop our other properties like the the the money we collect with rent slowly we we do projects with and again the other properties too that are making money at the moment because we've renovated those we we will use that money too on this property like so we kind of share it with the others and that's part of the the good thing about it

and do you think that's a solidified or an actual appraisal amount? I mean, I I I could want I could want several million dollars for my property that's around the corner, but um it's been on the market for a while. Has has that we do have some uh additional pieces to the uh purchase and sale agreement, which I have a copy of here, and it says that the buyer's obligation

is to purchase the property for the uh and getting the CPA grant and the uh private mortgage. But we also have I want to see where it is in here that

that it will come in at or above the appraised value. So we'll the bank is going to require an appraisal. Um yeah. No, that's what that's the point I'm I'm trying to make.

But we do have a backout if if they comes back and the thing comes in and appraises at 650,000.

Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's the point of I can ask Yeah. the million a million dollars for the property if I'm the owner. But the reality at the end of the day, if you're going to go get a loan for this and then you're going to get some type of construction loan and you can't get an appraisal for it and you have to we gave you the half a million dollars to

But as far as I understand where this is going to go is the mortgage will be recorded that'll be 600,000. will have a restriction on the number of units, whatever you guys come up with, which when you go to an appraisal that the income is going to be part of that appraisal, how much what's the total income you can get out of this place?

Um, and we're going to have to be over 600, maybe 750 maybe, whatever it is.

But on the affordable side, that's where we need the grants because the affordability is we're taking less rent.

No, I I I totally You understand? And and so that's why we need the grants to sort of supplement that um to get us into the profit. Once we're in it, I think we're going to be fine.

Um that makes sense.

So that's where we're at.

If I'm sitting in your in your shoes, I would stay with what you said about the 20%. That's what you're made to do. and make sure your numbers work because at the end of the day even if you maximize your rent and say it's $1,000 for eight thou that's $8,000 you're getting and I don't know if that includes your heat hot water all of the other elements associated that's all under tenants

yeah it it so what I'm getting to is at the end of the day we grant $500,000 you can't get the loan for the additional amount to it I I would think you'd be hardressed to get a $1 million loan for that particular project unless you were getting this $500,000.

I mean, if you had if you had a bunch of available private funding where you're going to say, I'm going to throw 300 or $400,000 into the project and then I'm going to get No, we we don't have that. Um, and we probably never will. It's not that we're we're not profit for the for the for the amount. So, um, we do I do all the financial stuff and put the put the the

financing packages together. We use a 3% vacancy rate and just figure it all out.

Um, if you people want a uh u if you want a uh uh a performer of what we've got so far, I can get that to you if you'd like. It's right now it's, you know, we're making some estimates as to, you know, what's the appraisal going to cost, what's the inspection going to cost, what all those things are going to cost, and we've got that. It's built in. Um,

and it's it looks like it'll be a good project. Um, so we are just to sorry, just to confirm on timelines, you mentioned you guys are under a or the seller is looking for a tighter timeline. What What is your timeline? Do you have June 30th? We got to close by June 30th.

Okay. Okay.

I think we can do it. I think June 30th. Okay. And do you have an appraiser already set up?

Uh, as soon as we get through this, um, we do have a soft commitment from Bay Coast Bank. We'll go to Bay Coast Bank.

We'll put the application in. They're going to go with their appraisal.

They'll order the appraisal. Um, we don't do that. Uh, they do that. That's just to keep it above board. So, they'll do the appraisal. Um, and I'm I'm sure the appeals will will come in at a point where the Bay Coast Bank will will uh uh take it because Bakos Bank is going to be the primary mortgage. They'll be first in line and they're okay with that. So, I'm in I'm in agreement. It's it's a

good project. I I think it's it's well worth expending monies and going for. However, uh we're still dealing with taxpayer money here and you know, we get scrutinized very closely and the need for affordable housing is really great in the city. And if you're willing to do 50% that's just going to entice everyone, including the taxpayer out there, to agree that it's a good project because it is a lot of

money uh out there. So, uh, I I I thoroughly enjoy that 50% of affordable housing.

If that's what if that's what you need, I'm sure that would still fit our, uh, financial uh perform.

Okay. The only other question I have on this is that this uh, this particular neighborhood is a pretty uh, there's been quite a few contentious projects within the last six months, we'll say.

Uh just just south of that is the the carriage house in the hill nunnery. Um and then just south of that and uh to the east is the old dental office. So uh have any any type of outreach uh in those particular neighborhood in that particular neighborhood? I'm several blocks away. So it doesn't have we done any outreach?

Yeah, that's what I'm just curious on that component of it. I I I think personally someone in that neighborhood and someone who's raised their kids there and gone to school just adjacent to it um that particular property is a is a little bit of a detriment to that neighborhood. They haven't done a lot of upkeep to it and it's kind of some of the color maxes that they know.

Well, if if it's fully occupied now, I would assume everyone there has a car already and it's been, you know, so it's not there's going to be more cars. There would be as many as there are now physically like the it's an eyesore.

Oh, that Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it's one of the something doesn't look like the other.

Yeah, but I know like with the with the church thing with the car parking issue and all that.

No, this is there's already eight units there. So, it's not There's also with this property, there's a there's a an additional lot right behind the uh it's all trees on and that type of stuff and eventually we're thinking about, you know, kind of beautifying that a little bit and maybe putting a couple off street parking spaces in there just to uh that was going to be one of my my next

question. I was I was continuing on with is that area is going to be strictly for beautifification or are you intending on maybe putting some parking? We're thinking I mean it'd be I mean you have you know there's two needs again the need to keep it I'll say with our other properties we've we've added additional parking be for this particular thing too the the the house we've you know we've maximized the

back parking lot or the back part of the property to have 10 uh enough for every cause which it wasn't that way when we originally got it and then the Valentine house we've maximized that too so we are very aware and want our tenants to have the luxury of off streetet parking when possible.

That 40C area, that is one of the primary concerns of the population there is parking.

Yeah.

And right down the street from you is the antio uh well, you never know what the neighborhood's going to bear going forward. So, if somebody else is doing another project, that could add to parking, congestion, that type of stuff.

So, we're well aware of that. Um, and you know, we would prefer to have off streetet parking. I don't know if we're going to be able to pro to provide eight off- streetet parking spaces, but we we may very well be able to do four or five or six.

Do you have a uh a plan a business plan for that property? Not yet. We don't see one here. We do not.

Do until we get all this financing piece in place and we can acquire it, then we wouldn't the business plan be in order to come for financing?

Well, the business plan right now is is it works. We're going to collect the rent. they're gents are going to be paid and it's going to give us some breathing room to uh you know this this thing was on the market and we were looking and we finally found it and was able to start the deal with the uh with the seller. Um and and again one of the biggest allures for

us is that we are the preservation society. We want this property to fit well into the neighborhood. We want to do the right thing with with housing um with parking if we are able to. We we we want to do the right thing historically and and for tenants there too, which we've already done with our other properties, and we will do the same.

Yeah. And I believe this will be a a jewel for the preservation society. Once it's done, it's going to be stunning. I I believe it will be. Um and I think it'd be a great project for you guys to say you funded that.

But we'll put a deed restriction in on affordability and a historic park.

Absolutely. And we like that.

Yeah. So, right in your name.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

So, any other questions? I guess we'd be looking for a motion to fund 500,000 uh for affordable units with a 30-year deed restriction on housing and preservation.

And I'd also include the contingency on the appraisal number coming back.

It's already here.

I'm saying it's part of the motion that we have to agree to. And and did we agree for four other units being affordable housing? That'll be in there.

Okay.

So, what what h what happens hypothetically if you you you've got to be get a $600,000 mortgage. I mean, we can just do simple math on a $6,000 $600,000 mortgage where you're bringing in this rent. Even if you're doing $1,000, $8,000 for that entire amount, it doesn't leave a lot of room for um construction or the work that needs to be done. That's kind of what I I'm fearful of. I mean, I do this for a

living, but at a much larger scale, and I do own historical properties and have done exactly what you're doing. Um, and so I can see why while they're trying to push this, and I'm for this project, don't get me wrong. I just want to make sure that you that the the numbers work and that two is it your seller who's pushing this June deadline date um without having a true real number what

that value of that property is because as you know in and around that neighborhood we've got several projects that have just hit the million-doll mark on sales within the last month or two much much better quality uh historical properties like the one adjacent to um the arts polar arts association and there was another one next to the Antioch that was a that's a huge right next door to it

but if if you if you consider the total amount of money being here um we're actually um the grant is going to allow us to acquire this property for $600,000 basically um and that's the mortgage we have to pay that's your mortgage correct but Then you have the construction of doing all this.

Correct. Correct. And and I think we have enough significant amount.

We have we have enough our payment to the bank is going to be around six grand. Um I always go back to the fisc house which we acquired I believe in 2018 and we're still under construction. You know we slowly just like anyone's house. We and we consider it like that over time. We keep chomping away at projects and we that's what we've done and that's what we plan on doing with this and the

others who are the other properties we have that make a little bit more money that some of that money will go into this prop property too.

Yeah. So we've done a few we got and it's uh it's it's it's challenging.

There's no doubt about it. Um but uh I do believe that this is it's going to work and it's going to be really nice. Really nice. And then in the meantime, Fiverr is going to get affordable units.

Y just one more question before we before we go on to Phil. What happens if the June timeline comes and goes? Like is there something wrong with the seller pushing deadlines out or From what I understand, we're still we're still moving back. He's trying to do a 10:35 or 1031 exchange. He's looking for another property to get it done. Um, he just put in, from what I understand, we put a signed PNS together

today with the down payment check to the to the uh to the seller's attorney. Uh, the seller's attorney is now looking to extend his 1031 exchange time. And, you know, in talking with our attorney, I said, "Well, if he wants 145 days, then just put us into it, too." And and if he, you know, he can't have his cake and eat it, too. If if we get to a point saying, "We're going to close." and you

say, "Wait a minute, I don't want to close yet." Like, we we do these it 3090 is typically you have to you have to identify three other properties, put it into a 1031, and then you have 90 days to close on that particular project.

And so, he's already he or she, I apologize, I don't know who this individual is, the LLC.

LLC, yes, of course. And u they they are probably in the 30-day. They've identified three properties. They're going to go sell this, go buy something for equal or more value, and then they have to close within 90 days.

I I I see the June 30th date being a a date that I think we can make if we have to extend that a week or maybe another two weeks, something like that, I think we'll be fine. If we have to extend it three months, he's going to he's going to say, "I don't want to do that because it's more on him. He's got to get his No, I know.

His timing his timing has to be right on the button, too." So, This approved this would need to be approved by the city council.

Correct.

And do we have where are we with our funds to allocate? I know typically with housing projects this affordable housing we have 1.1 in reserve in reserve for that one. So this is a good it's a good project for that if everything kind of you know I I I know the the specifics of how everything has to align in these particular projects. Um, so, okay.

Yeah, that's one thing we need to consider is a lot of our affordable housing projects come in and they're willing to do 20%. But there's not very many that are ever willing to do 50%.

Yeah. No, if we have a project that's willing to commit to 50%.

And you know, and we don't get a lot of good affordable housing projects. And there's so many reasons why like this fits not only affordable housing, but historic preservation. Um it's in it's in a the 40C district. It's an eyesore.

It would be, you know, it's for so many reasons. It's a great It was a it was a concern of the city council too at the last meeting. The idea the idea of having more affordability for the city and and then CPC's place in that do you know where your your benchmark is for your affordable for your units, what you could charge for them? I mean it's I know it's much different now compared

I I have not seen the affordability restriction that you would require for that that doesn't come from us.

Oh that's the cities are doing that.

Yeah.

So is it identical to the uh one that the community development agency uses then I'm I'm okay with it.

Yeah. That would be the thing I would throw a big red flag at. Go find out what they at the end of the day. They say you can only charge $100 out of four of the eight units. your business plan, you're walking away from it. But my thing is what's what's different Yeah.

about this Y is if you require four of the eight Mhm.

that that's fine. If we were doing community block grant money, it'd be 100%. 100% all affordable. So, um I'm if that were to happen, that becomes a different issue altogether. Um because of the number of units and that type of stuff if you go by the community development, but there's no community development money in here. So, we're not required to do that.

So, and that's a good thing and that's a good thing. as well as the very fine sampling of affordable housing that's going to go in there. We're also going to always be on the positive side of restoring that building due to the preservation society handling that and that again is a plus for the 40C district and that whole neighborhood.

don't uh I I I see good in I I can't tell you I sitting here right now I can't tell you I have all the answers cuz I don't I have most of it is there but there's all little pieces and it's a bunch of little pieces that come together to make the deal.

One one of the other things and I'm trying to I'm not trying to be a nitpicker on this. I just want you to be successful in this is that now there's like the size of projects that you've done so far with the preservation society. I think they all been below the minimum requirements for sprinkler systems based on units and size of of property. Uh have you explored any of that? Cuz that's where it starts getting really

Well, this is where the inspection process comes in. Um if they come back to us and say you need to put a full sprinkler system in here. Yeah, we did a sprinkler system.

Uh, was it Lindon? Oh, no, that was just smokes.

We didn't do any sprink, but if they if they require a sprinkler system, that's that could be a game changer for us because that's an expensive very expensive that access egress, whether you need an elevator or whatever it might be.

The access egress is good. Um, it's very good because of the way they put it together. Um, and I think a lot of that is going to be like grandfathered in.

You got fire escapes and it they're clear paths to get out of the building.

We looked at others um that were just fire traps to try and fix it. You'd have to gut the inside and start from scratch and that was out of the question. But this one this one meets our minimum standards and I think it's going to be just fine. But uh things like that, a sprinkler system, I'm not sure. You know, I I can't tell you until until we have an inspection.

go in there, tell us what the roof looks like, tell us what the siding looks like, tell us what the electrical panels look like, and I there's always somebody throwing a wrench in somewhere, but as as as we go, we're not going to close this deal if we can't make it work. There's no way.

Be careful to just scrutinize what changes are going to be mandated. uh because you got secretary of interior standards that are going to apply to this project as well as the 40C which are you know a little little less stringent but those are all going to apply so when you're getting your reports back make sure it's not going to adversely recommend some major effect on well the first thing that I'm I'm going

to do as soon as we have our inspectors go in um I will go to the building department and I will talk to the inspectors there and say have you in this building. Would you like to get into this building? Tell me what you're going to need. Um and make sure that we're not stepping on our toes before we get out of the out of the box.

Um yeah, so we'll we're going to do all the due diligence. There's no doubt about it. But the first thing is is to get the financing in place, get the appraisals, get all these people in the building. It costs money. Um we're not going to spend money if we're not going to be able to acquire the property. So we need to acquire the property and then we can start spending some money to see

where we're going. Um, and we have a clear path uh of how to get there. Um, but how many speed bumps we hit on the way is is always a question, you know.

So, it's we'll see.

All right.

Make a motion. Make a motion.

Okay. When you make the motion and the amount, if it's 500,000, you need to add your 1350 for your housing and your community housing deed restriction unless you want it to be included in the each. No.

each.

Just keep that in mind.

Okay.

Make a motion. Okay. Um, make a motion to move forward the CPA funding request of $500,000 for the purchase of 604 Rock Street with the added deed restriction cost of $650 each to both historical preservation and community housing with the uh contingency of the appraiser note.

following the appraisal of the unit and 40% sorry and 50% of afford affordable housing included. So four of the eight units I have second I'll second.

Okay. Roll call to my left.

I'm going to say uh no.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

My only no is a caveat. I would like to see your business plan to make sure that this is successful. That was it. I'm all for the project. I just want to make sure that the T's and I are and I understand the the 1031 process and the timeline to it. But that was the reason on this sub request.

Yeah. This has to go before the city council for approval.

And if if you could supply us say at our next meeting which is in June. Uh it doesn't have to be a very comprehensive but get some sort of a business plan involved. Like I said, the proform really goes goes through how where the money, where the funds are going, everything. I think that would answer a lot of your question and also also what you're going what your intention intentions are with the

property itself, uh, aesthetically, uh, things of that nature. Okay. Just so we can get a working idea. There's nothing and we're trying to do that at the present time. Um, Connie Su has contacted a couple of different contractors saying, you know, how much is this going to cost? What's that going to just some ballpark numbers so that we can just kind of wrap our minds around of uh this might

be a multi-year project of getting the outside done. But like I said, this window replacements, door replacements, that type of stuff.

Yeah. I don't I don't see everything happening immediately. I mean, I this is definitely a year's effort. As as I say, our other properties are that way still.

Yeah. you know, we we do the critical things, but I can certainly get get you the performer. I when we go before the council, they will have the performer in front of I probably have a little more um if if this gets approved, I'll have a little more uh uh uh hard numbers as far as where we're going with this. So, this is what I do for a living, but on a

much grander scale. And to break it down, I know when we go in front of uh a lending source to this, even we're we're getting grant money to it is that performer that you speak of basically validates what you're going to get for a loan for the mortgage component of it and what rating you're going to get on that. And so I think it'd be advantageous if you at least pull that together.

Um that would be it's in process. It's inc.

No, I I know it. Trust me, I 10:301s. I have them, I do them, I understand them, and they are just boom, boom, boom. And if you miss any of that, move on. But I think in your particular case, it could be advantageous to you based on the price of what they're asking. And the the makes sense.

That's the negotiating.

We we've been you've been these are these are this guy's tough. This LLC is tough.

Yeah. The other thing too when you go before the city council, it would be good for the preservation society to really show the history of the projects just so they have a visual. You can tell them, but for them to have a visual of the projects that you've done because we know that you have a a really good track record for what you've bought, what you've done with those projects, and

what you're continuing to do. We do have a portfolio of everything that we've already done that will be included with the with the submission to the city because the city council should know and I can get you that too. I can provide that to you for your next meeting with I know I know some of us know other people that are newer may have a thousand words. Right.

Exactly.

city, it's important to get them to understand that, you know, there is a already a track record to to go with this and you're not just blindly jumping into something you've never done before, which we know you have. So, that makes sense.

Well, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for uh hearing us out and thank you for your votes. Appreciate it.

Appreciate your support. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you.

Uh let's see. Next is the fire museum extension.

Thank you.

Would you just state your name? Uh Fred Berg, vice president, Fall River Fly Museum.

Al Olivera, director of city operations, city of Fall River.

Now you're coming for the roof extension.

Yes.

Ken Ledger, treasurer for River Fire Museum.

I guess you can start off.

Absolutely. Thank you.

This project was already um designed by Civitech.

Uh we had the project ready to go out to bid. Uh we have a new purchasing agent and we found a small technicality. One of the technicalities and I'm sure Mr.

Mancini will appreciate that under under DAM uh we were supposed to have a historic masonry restoration firm. Um that didn't go out in that manner. So, we rejected the bids prior to them prior to opening and we put it out to bid again. Um, on Wednesday, May 13th, documents will be received by uh subcontractors um and GC's. Uh, it will be the um historic masonry restoration as the filed sub. The GC will uh will be u

opened up after. So, at 2:00 on Thursday, May the 28th, we'll have file subs due. and June 4th, we'll have the GC's ready to go.

So, we we were we were going to be in a good place at that point, but we we delayed it for a couple weeks just to make sure that we didn't have any any grievances from anyone at that point.

So, by June, you should have a order back.

By June 4th, we'll definitely open up the GC's and then we'll have a contract put together shortly after that and project will uh will mobilize. So, if you did get the extension, 6 months would be sufficient enough.

Six months would definitely be good enough. We're not going into the winter conditions.

Okay. That's what we Absolutely.

Cuz I guess you your windows are almost finished being put in.

Uh they're supposed to finish the prepping work this week and they're just waiting for the uh window manufacturer to uh make the delivery.

Okay.

If you go by there, there's a sub substantial amount of work that's go underway.

Yeah.

And we thank you for that.

You're welcome. Uh is there any question from the board?

I I go by it a lot and so I see it all the time and I give a little silent cheer on the kids.

And I did get a tour the other day with Kent. So, uh, we we did look at the, uh, facility and yes, they're they are keeping the historic significance of the building. Uh, so that's that's a good thing.

So, can I get an extend?

I'll make a motion that we extend the Anowan 6 Firebond for another 6 months.

I'll second.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Caner, yes.

John Brandt, yes. Rick Mansena. Yes.

Chris Benabites. Yes.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, ladies. Best of luck. It was easy. Sorry for lost there again.

Thank you.

Okay. Next. Uh project assignments.

Uh I think we'll just go right down the list.

Um, we'll start with the historical society.

Uh, are we assigning new ones? Are we changing some? What's Yeah, cuz what happens with all the BJ's part?

BJ's only That's why I figured we just go right down the list if somebody wants to come off one or if we don't need two.

Two, cuz I don't have that many.

I don't either. I only have one project.

Oh, really? Okay.

I was just going to say I can take BJs if you want. I only have one project.

All right. Well, we're going to go straight down that way.

Yeah, everyone will know just in case.

Y So, historical, too.

Okay.

So, historical sighting, Alex, still just one on fine.

Yep.

Uh massoid number five.

Yeah, that's done. That can come off.

Done. So, that come off.

Green is done.

I've got a little ch on the top of there. It says green, red.

Oh, excellent.

Oh, thank you. Look at that color coding. Maritime Museum still brick.

That's That's completed.

So, yeah, just skip the green.

Oh, skip the green. Okay. Uh let's see.

Uh preserving water uh department documents. Is that not done yet?

Nope.

I haven't I haven't received any requests for payments. So, they haven't done I don't think they've done anything with it because when they were here coming for money, I asked about it and I thought I had heard last that they were making headway. So, I was We'll see. I I'll check in with Paul because there's a couple lose an extension. So, I'm going to do a chat on your I will update you at the

next meeting when their extensions are up because a lot of your extensions are coming up.

I'll supply you with that information at your next meeting.

All right. Uh Central Fire Station is uh Alex and Rick.

Yes. No, you're not looking for updates here. We just No, just just to make sure.

Uh Dr. Fisk House is uh Chris uh form B's the historical commission.

That's done, right?

That is well the final payments are not made, but yes, that's done.

Okay.

The project is completed.

Okay. So, you just got to sign off on another payment. Okay. Uh for fire museum is me, school administration building.

Oh, school administration building. Uh me and Rick.

Wasn't I on that at some point? Because I was there to do a tour of it and going over everything. So, it's unless unless it was changed at one of the You want me to put you on that?

Yeah, if you want to come off that, I can come back on that.

Okay. Put Chris in place.

Me and Rick.

Okay.

Um, fire museum is me and Mike Ferris.

Um, east bike path. That was Is that still No, that was that got an extension.

It did.

Blue. Yep.

Okay.

So, whoever I would find out from planning if they've been fully paid on that, but they got an extension on that.

I'll reach out to him. Um, I've got to meet with Dan in the next week or so so I can speak to him. I got to meet with him. So, I mean, you can reach out to him. That's not an issue, but I I'm meeting with them.

Yeah.

Then just let me know so I can change the color.

All right. Uh South with Tupa. Uh Joanne.

Uh let's see. Um Quicker Rail Trail, that's wrapped up, right?

Is that done?

Yeah, the extension is done. That's that's completed.

Niagara bike path.

Is that done? I don't I don't know. I do the privates. I don't do the public.

Red's in progress.

I I think the Niagara is the one that's been abandoned.

I thought it lasted.

Yeah, that's abandoned.

Shut.

So, we can just get rid of it.

Yes.

So, do we need to check on that to No, I'll just get it off the list.

Okay.

Okay.

So, does that money go back into the Yeah, that'll go back.

Yeah. Okay.

Uh the Southshore Overlook, we got Rick on that. Yeah, that's just Oh, we're not talking about positioning at this point. Sorry.

Uh, let's see. Uh, next is um the Antioch School.

That's me.

Is Chris and then the um art association is Chris and Rick. Did you want to stay on that, Rick, or did you want to come?

No, I'll I'll stay on that.

Okay.

Um, now is the Antioch is that complete?

No, not yet.

Not yet.

Uh, next is a pump station engineer design. That's Joanne and and Rick. Yeah.

Okay. Uh, Maplewood Park as Joanne.

That's done in county.

Okay.

Uh, North Burial grounds as Alex.

No, they never still the gate. Yeah.

I don't I think their priorities have changed. So we could talk about that when they come for renewed excession.

That was the gates I believe the gates which are still not reconstructed.

Yeah, the house itself is done. The other day I drove by there. The gate is the the fence itself is still all busted. So that was that was the former waiting for the part to come in for the gate which I don't know why it's taking this long.

Four years, five, six years. Yeah.

How long it's been? Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't think it was in the city's capital improvement plan for North Barrow ground. It seemed like they were shifting focus to Oak Grove, too.

So, I don't I'm not quite sure. We'll we'll talk when they have to come in again.

Yeah. Okay. Uh let's see. Watupa Rowan Club is Joanne and Jim.

Um the uh John the Baptist is done.

That's done.

Uh North Watupa Seaw Wall is Joanne and Alex.

Yeah.

And Rondak Farms is uh me and Rick.

Oak Grove Iron Stone is Joanne.

Wasn't that done?

Yeah, it got an extension.

Okay.

I know. It got an extension.

Oh, okay. I thought it was done.

I know.

The four river veteran centers. Alex.

Yeah, that extension. But for the item before, I think that was when Al had taken over and he was trying to assess all the remaining balances and he didn't he didn't want to dismiss the funds until he ensured the quality of the work so we could circle back with some of those. I think I think he had some roof work to finish, but yeah. Well, yeah, for the the veteran center. I don't I don't remember Oak

moved on it. So, yeah. So, it all can be addressed at the next extension hearings.

Okay. Um let's see forward live library is extend that got an extension too like Alex just said oh just okay was done a long time and they're currently doing some masonry restoration on the other side so so there might actually be scope that overlaps that okay uh St. Dance Church is Chris and Alex.

Uh, Union for Union B.

Uh, Christ the Rock Church is, uh, Mike Ferris and Alex.

Yep.

Uh, Corky Row.

That's still ongoing.

Still ongoing. That's me and Rick.

Children's Museum is uh ongoing.

Okay. That's their work is working right now if you drive by.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh let's see. Dery Block is uh Chris Benites and Mike Dury Block.

That's the one 84 84.

Oh, I'm thinking Street Main Street.

The uh Highlands uh 40C uh expansion form B's that's still ongoing. Okay. Uh let's see now. New uh nope. Shane Landon is off.

You need to assign these for the new projects.

Yeah. So, um there's no color code for it.

The Eagle Event Center.

Kristen, you want to take that one?

Take that one.

Okay.

Uh for historical society is Alex Christ Church. Me, Alex, and Mike. Um the Bristol City uh District Courthouse. Uh I'll take that. That's the windows you Oh, yes, absolutely. Anything that's in construction, I'll take.

Thank you.

Okay. Um let's see. CNS churches, uh Kristen and Alex, uh congregational church.

I don't mind either. close by too.

So, Alex and Okay, Alex and Chris.

The next two I would uh if at all possible, I wouldn't mind uh doing that.

It's kind of my value of expertise.

How about Deacon is home?

Oh, I apologize. I thought that's what I'll take.

Not so much.

I'll take I'll take Deacon.

Yeah, that'd be better if you guys Rick and then we'll give Mike the uh the parks.

Yeah. Do you mind if I jump on the Father Kelly one with Mike?

Yeah, that'd be great.

All right, perfect.

You want to jump on the Deaconist with Mike?

I can do that.

Okay.

If you need help with Colombia, I wouldn't mind doing Columbia, too.

Sandy, did you get that?

Okay.

I'm going to be on with Deaconist with Okay.

And you're going to be on on No. Yeah. No. No.

Father Kelly Park with Mike.

Yeah.

And Alex, you wanted to be on Columbia Park too?

Yeah. If Mike needs help, but he's probably covered. I'd just be interested in following like the historic papers and stuff. Yeah. Just making sure things look nice.

Okie do. Uh the uh land acquisition that we just had historic preservation survey proprietary way.

No, you're on the survey.

We need the survey first. Historic preservation survey.

Was that the one that was not funed?

We didn't do No, that's up here. Which one?

No, that's that we did do this one. This is the one for the reservations.

Oh. Oh. the water cultural district.

That's the same. But I'll be on definitely on that one.

Well, wait a minute. Yeah, I can be on it, too.

Okay, good.

So, me and you.

Yes.

So, there are two here. Yellow.

Were those the ones not funded?

No, that was the ones that we thought might not be on based off of the city council discussion, but it changed a little bit.

Okay. Sorry.

So, uh who who me and Rick on the historic preservation survey?

Okay. and the proprietary way and that parcel land protection. That's that strip of land that runs through all of this.

Yeah.

So, we could take that too. Just join it as part of our package.

Okay.

And Jim wants the land acquisition.

Oh, yeah. Put then put Jim and uh and Rick.

Rick.

Okay.

That's proprietor's way and the uh Samson.

Oh, Samson. Sorry. Sorry. I'm writing in the wrong line.

So, Jim and Rick are both on those.

Yeah. Okay.

And I'm okay with doing with some help from others. The other two.

Yeah.

Can I grab that one with you?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I have specialty in here. So, I That would be great.

We shouldn't sign Joanne up for anything while she's not here. I was just like, we make should spread.

Yeah, we've got a couple projects. So, if my son goes to Abore, so I'll have Mike, I'm going to put Chris on the Abore and the park repavement with you.

Yeah, perfect.

Yeah. Yeah. Bring you on both of those.

Which side? What was the other one?

The repavement project.

Okay, that's fine. Yeah.

And then what I'll do is I'll update this and send everybody an updated copy and the updated copy will go on the web page as well.

Okay. Like are you on the repayment one as well?

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I think we move on. We tend to put parks in the air.

Anything with land and stuff like that.

I just kind of knew what their stuff was because I've done those the 1031s.

I think they can get some money back.

theory, we'll have another park board member, too. So, yeah.

Yeah.

When that happens, we can Oh, uh also, uh since we just went through our uh we have our next funding round coming up in September, I thought we would do a little uh promoting the deadline. And this year I think we should stick more with um seeing the uh the city council's filling on uh CPA and it is more uh communitydriven. I think we should stay with the open space recreation uh plans that we have

and attack those areas this year.

Um instead of like in reaching out to housing this and that. I mean, it might come before us, but I think our main focus should be on what is on the uh open space recreation plans and start tackling that.

What are you talking about?

For the deadlines to to promote to get people to uh uh put applications in because sometimes people I had uh people saying we should put a soccer field in.

I'm like, we don't put projects in. You have to put them in.

You have to go to the parks department.

you have to like put in from a neighborhood association for then it comes to us. We vote on it.

So, where do you want to promote it? At like the the city park, like the physical locations. Is that Well, I thought maybe we'd do some um uh commercials, some web stuff, uh podcast.

I don't know uh if we had uh WSA they I an excellent thing that just came out was the video associated with the skate park that the city and that was part of what uh I know you and I were on the open space and recreation committee and it was nice to see how they got that local group who were involved in the with skating and and rollerblading and whatever whatups to be part of the

design team and establish the funding work through the city. But I think that's a really great uh example of what you're trying to accomplish with the other parks. And with our six films we already have up on our site. We want to tie that in and add some other stuff. Uh but there's a great need. I mean every 10 years we do this open space recreation and same thing 10 years from now is always

on the list. Yeah.

So, I think it's a good opportunity for us to step in plus uh stepping in where the capital improvement money can be tied in with CPA money and other grant money. So, I thought if we get out there, you know, parks, they could work also getting grants to come in with CPA money.

So, it kind of gives people a little head start with where our direction we're looking at to put their money to the best use.

Yeah, I agree.

That's good. Uh, but we also want to make sure that the projects are ready and it's not something that is like kind of in the in the plan like 5 years from now and then the money gets tied up again like what's been happening.

We're always going to be from now on shovel ready cuz right now I think there's a lot of open space recreation projects that we just funded like the different things and the uh Kelly they're going to be done quick. are already working on.

That's why we tied the funding in with doing the streets improvement plan.

Okay.

I guess I'm just a little confused on what you actually want us to be producing. Is it a video? Is it flyers?

Is it event appearances?

I just thought if we maybe he could come up with like a budget. I mean, we got uh I was talking about it and I had uh uh who was it? Mike. Mike Herren dropped off uh an estimate on some podcast uh digital content uh tying in Facebook uh uh vlog I guess.

John, what what budget do we have to use? Like can you can we start there and work backwards? I think I can probably help.

Well, we we have an administrative we have 45 we 20 uh we use that money for signage. Uh we had we did use it to uh pay for our videos. So I mean so what's like a hard number we can work off of?

45 or he said 20 I think you said 25.

Yeah, I would say 25 to four would be a decent number with reduction.

I would I would caution 20 because I have to pay for legal notices out of that admin budget. So when we do our annual meeting and public hearings, I need to use that money. Yeah. um if you need new signs, it comes out of that money. So, I just caution you that there's little bits and pieces that have to come out of that. Um I would feel comfortable saying 20 for you. Okay.

Well, so we have the six videos that are already made. Yeah.

But charge they don't but they don't get out there.

We need somebody like to get our word out there. So, I mean, I think budget anywhere from like, you know, doing like a fourmonth campaign from 2,000 to 4,000 to me would probably be um to get the word out and couple podcast and and the videos. They're great videos.

Who manages the social media page for the city?

I I think that city have a social media page.

Yeah, for who who manages it?

Well, we have it and then we do our own uh we have a site, but No, not us. the city. I'm saying the city like the city profile, but like like this like the Herald News has their own video.

Um there's a thousand avenues we can take.

I just wondering like just very basic free stuff like like you start there and work your way out. Like you start with like organic media, start with who's supposed to have our back to push out messaging.

Here goes city of the you know.

Yeah. That's why if we the person that we would bring in whoever we bring in would be the person that would reach out to all the audience for us because face it I mean we we you know paste and share and all that but we don't hit all the markets and we don't you know no but you also need to make sure that whoever you're bringing in is going to

do all those things cuz like with this is that only going to be just on his own social media or does that go to every like all the follower pages all the following page. So, are you sure? Because yeah, I think we should maybe take a step back and think about this uh a little bit more targeted. Um I think well targeted but my my approach I would urge I guess

is to be more general rather like focusing on open space or something just general in in the deadline promotion.

There are a lot of ways we can do it like Chris said the city website, city social media, um flyers, ads in the Herald news. Uh, we could make a new video just promoting the new upcoming application opening, you know, take a different approach that way. Um, we could certainly like each of us, you know, do media appearances if that's what you're thinking. But yeah, I I want to think about it a little bit more.

I I agree and I'd like to have a few weeks myself u and then uh be able to come up with something more more solidified in June. But the there's also again just tossing out ideas. There's the probability of uh I'll call it a consultant for a lack of a better term, but we could get someone in a consulting capacity that could get CPC funding, right? And to to promote all of these other activities.

Well, that's what I that's what I would have handle all that media and get Yeah. But but it would instead of it coming out of the administrative funds, it could be a CPC funding a lot.

No, it would come out administration.

It has to come out. Yeah, cuz it's not a project.

It's not. Yeah.

But I think that like something like this, we need to have a full discussion on this. I don't think it like we need to put it on the next break, right?

Yeah. Like we need time to really I need to understand what the plan is.

Yeah.

Maybe have a consultant do a presentation to you. That would be a good thing. Yes.

It's usually how it works. the pitch and it kind of sounds so so and like you're the agenda item is for dead deadline promotion but it sounds like you also want us to highlight you know past projects like we've done in the past too so those those are separate those are separate discussions see the kind of work that we've done the Vietnam memorial wall the Lafayette house which actually had a good thing

this past weekend and uh the city's not taking advantage of that the city has not contacted them to celebrate 250 50 years and here's a building that we've brought back to life and you know I think it's our you know to get it out there to the word city's not doing much to for the 250th anniversary there's a lot of projects that we have done to to to get people out there and enjoy

I mean shoot we were out in the bio reserve this Sunday taking a walk and uh CPA money out there you know kids say nothing to do we were out there it was quiet peaceful Nice.

And the Lafayette Derfy thing was was really good, too. And it was well attended.

Yeah.

Yeah. The preservation society. I just watched it was probably a 30 40 minute um review of what's going on at the preservation society and or the historical society. It was the Ken Martin. It was phenomenal. Watch the whole thing and I'm like I don't know how I even got to it. I was just like everybody else getting there and I read a lot. arts trolley uh uh this Saturday.

Yeah.

Which the uh art greater art uh is uh one of our projects was on the list to show off. So I mean you know Yeah.

Well there is so the city I know is putting together a committee for arts culture and tourism tourism. I don't know what's gonna come with that, but I'm just saying it's an avenue for promoting CPA stuff. It's just one promote.

I don't know cuz it depends on what that even like I don't know what it even means. I I don't know. I just doing that. That would be that would be that would want to come back to us because somewhere in that organization it's got to be people that are on open space recreation needs.

Well maybe but if there's somebody that's actually doing promotion in the city that would be the person. There's got to be somebody doing something because there is a city website. There's a city web page and a city website and sometimes you see stuff on there for events and other times there's nothing.

So there's got to be a I don't know there's got to be a better way but I think this is this is what we need. So when you're saying the deadline promotion are you also including number 10 CPA advertising and marketing in the same thing or are we is this Oh yeah.

Okay. So 9 and 10. Okay.

Yeah. 9 and 10. Just before we move to 10, um, in terms of the deadline promotion, I think some easy, really quick things we can ask, the IT department, uh, Sandy maybe to do is on our website put the new deadlines just kind of clear right at the front top of the page. Sometimes I think they're a little buried under maybe like one of the tabs like to get to the

You guys have to tell me what your deadlines are going to be this year.

Okay. So So maybe we just then I'll go to it. put it at the top of the page versus having it a little uh like one or two clicks away. And then even on the city's main calendar of events on the homepage, I don't think we typically have the due dates on there, but there's a lot of different, you know, not just city meetings on that calendar. So, we could perhaps ask them

to add it to the city calendar because I think maybe you could do that like they do the uh Yeah.

road work.

Yeah, exactly.

Do like a pop off. Great idea. That way I think that probably gets some of the most eyes for you know the city website probably.

That's a great idea.

But the main thing too in the next few weeks before our next meeting we can discuss this put on the agenda but find out who in the city is in charge of doing the promoting and the mayor's office.

How do we get comes out of the mayor's office for the for the Facebook page?

I think I think it comes I think they had an event person. I believe she's left. I don't know if they've hired someone else.

Do you want me to because I can reach out to Ann O'Neal?

Why don't you?

All right, I'll do that.

Sandy, just one note. If we do end up going with a consultant, my recommendation would be not to feed them any ideas and see what they pitch just tell me what you want them to pro, right? We'll give we'll give a general guideline, but don't force feed them the ideas that we're thinking of just yet.

Yep.

We'll keep that close to the chest and see how on the mark people get.

Yeah, because I think we just could use a little help.

Yeah, because uh you know, we're always highlighting our projects that we have done. Um okay, so we'll move on to uh project updates. Any uh just one slide one for the derby block. We've uh we've had good communication with Monty. um the we've basically given him the instruction to have the specs um approved or solidified by Secretary of Interior standards and just waiting to hear back from him on that before we

move forward with funding. So, uh just yeah, we'll keep everyone posted as that comes in, but appreciate Mike's help and Sy's help on the uh direction there.

It's my for the record, it's my very first uh process approach in in the funding process. So, it's been very helpful to see that all come to play.

So, um, yeah, learning a lot.

Does he have an architect that he's working with?

That's what we're trying to find out. I We think so, and that's what we're anticipating. The we inherited the project prior to it getting authorized. So, I don't really know the the deep history, but what we're saying is at the end of the day, whoever and and I'm learning this too from Alex, like just like with uh Christ the Rock Church. I'm not a historical preservation person. I'm not

an architect, but they have one on staff. They have a structural engineer on staff. We know their qualifications.

And so, you kind of listen to what they're doing. And in this particular case with the windows, we want it to meet all of the standards, the federal standards for interior, but the but they should have an architect on board.

Yeah.

Right.

Plus, they want to say glass. They will get let you know that if it Yeah, that's on them. It's not on us.

I'm just asking go through.

Yeah. We're not I'm not sure what the name is, but yeah, that's a I'm just curious.

And that would be that I would say that would be applicable to pretty much any project that we do. like I feel comfortable doing parks and stuff like that. At least I can put my two cents in and say, "Okay, I know what that is."

But I couldn't tell you what a historical window needs to be, you know, but they should have somebody on board that's doing that. So that's it. I should just uh just for like PE new members and people who get assigned projects that uh you know they're halfway started or something, you could always ask Sandy to pull up the old original applications and just get them sent to you to review

like you know the past past kind of knowledge cuz the qualifications for whoever they're using might even it should be in that application generally.

So that might be a good good place and it it extends beyond this project too.

Cool.

I can send it and the award agreements.

That that's fine. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm offering I'm only a phone call away. If you have a historic situation that's troubling, just give me a call.

What I was trying to avoid is that we all of a sudden this board, anybody on this board becomes the um takes on the liability of signing off on something.

So for instance, if I were to say, "Yeah, that looks great. Order those windows." They show up, they install them, and then find out that they don't meet standards. I don't want to take on the responsibility. They hired somebody to do that. I don't and and again your your input. You're you should be the one you should be the person that only says it needs to meet these standards. It's

up to them to do that. And that's material. And then installation it's means and methods is always on the contractor. And so that's kind of that's where you go to school.

And so is getting and so is getting the if you're dealing with windows.

Yeah.

Necessary. talk to the contractor or the architect if there's one involved that say I would like a confirmation that these meet and that's it. That's all you need.

You don't have to deal with what was interesting about this scenario is it actually tied into our conversation last meeting about the upfront payment for materials and it it fit that exact profile like to a tea. So that's what we had a conversation between Sandy, myself, John Mike over that process and how how do we want to define that? We can get more involved, but that's not our daily work.

Our daily work is get the contractor or architect to certify that they meet the standards and your cover. You have no problems at all. No liabilities. You're free.

That's usually what's on when you're signing off on something. Usually there is where if they have an architect on the project, they've already signed off on that saying that it meets the standards. So as long as your architect has signed off saying then there's no the liability is on that architect. It's not on you. You're you are assuming that the architect is on the up and up and if they've signed

off on it then that's on them saying if you're apprehensive and you have no documentation just don't sign off.

That's that's what we're waiting on. The glass company can give it to you too cuz we we did the windows down in the fire museum. M we asked the last company to send us that they were to be fair. We left it open-ended for Monty. So we didn't necessarily say who we gave them. We gave them exactly we told them we needed and how that happens is up to him. Yeah.

And just don't forget that the deed restrictions add that layer of protection where if work was done that doesn't meet, you know, Secretary of Interior standards, that's a legal a legal mechanism to require them to alter it, repair it, fix it to meet those standards. There was a there was a situation I'm not going to go into names, but there was a situation where some window and there happens to be

windows again, but there were windows that were ordered uh or or put into a design four years ago and there was a number and then the windows that were ordered four years later for this project, the numbers were not matching.

So, it was very simple. It's one of my projects. I just asked the architect to get it took 12 weeks but and the project was on hold. The building department did not issue a permit. The project was on hold. 12 weeks later we finally got the letter. They were getting desperate, I guess.

And yes, it meets the standard. That's all we have to know.

Yep.

You know, we're covering good at this point. If it doesn't meet the standard, it's'll be on them to replace the windows.

Yeah. Right.

Okay.

Uh so no other updates.

Uh I can give you um an update on the uh Anowan 6 Firebon. Uh we got one this evening. Um and yes, they are preparing and they're doing a nice job. They have the interior of the building. Uh we were finally allowed in there walking around and uh the interior of the building is very nice. It's it's still it's still the original building. needs a lot of work for restoration, but it it's got

its originality to it. Uh with the exception of a bathroom that was mandated to put in, you know, uh Little Theater, the uh contractor, I I spoke uh to the party in charge is running that and they they uh they now have a a signed contract, I guess, with the builder or the roofer, and they're going to replace or repair the existing roof with slate. And I spoke to the

contractor and he assured us that in 100 years that roof will still be here. He's going to repair it. It'll be in good shape. So So that's good.

Um and that's pretty much I guess the other the fire museum and yep that's it. Oh uh the uh the art arts preservation up on Belmont Street. There's nothing's been going on there for since last fall. They shut down probably in October or so and there's been no work or any movement at all and no conversation at all.

I haven't heard from them either.

So, no.

Yeah, I know. I stopped in there.

Uh someone new is doing the uh projects for him, Paul. So, okay. Yeah, I know Jim I think is signed off on the rowing club because they had everything there ready to be put in. So, they're all set. That's done.

Good.

Nice.

Uh the central I should I should just maybe comment not had one meeting with the central fire. They're now getting us involved. Alex, uh and I just got a email today. There's a a Zoom meeting. I don't know where, when, or the time or date. It just said there's a Zoom meeting. He gave us the Zoom credentials, but uh uh I I'm waiting. I emailed him back for a date and a time,

but we'll get further updates on that uh central fire station, which is long overdue. I don't think we've ever had a meeting there, have we, Alex? Have you?

Not since that last one.

Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. Um All right. Uh new business. Uh the only thing I would say is uh I don't know if you guys did keep the book that we gave the city council very useful.

You want to see where how how the money's broken down from children, the parks, the private, the public. Uh me and Rick were going through it the other day when we were looking for something.

So make sure you use this and the community book cuz it's it's good reference and good tool to have on hand.

I need that cuz I didn't get one.

Remember?

No. Remember that night you didn't have an extra one? Okay, let me put that on my list.

Okay, thank you.

Is that also accessible online? Is that a PDF?

Was a special request by the console, but we have a But there is a record file that you created.

Yeah, Could you Could we get that online?

Everything's on our web page. I mean, it already is.

Oh, it is. This was just something for the city council.

Could we Could we do it or no? Is that not possible? Well, it's a like in other words, could I just download a PDF version of that that I mean in there are the meeting dates that's on the web page, the CPC members that's on the web page, a list of all the projects that's on our web page.

Um, all the information is on there, but not as easy as Yeah.

Right. I'm saying could we get that on the web page?

Is that poss? Basically, you just have to upload it.

Anything can I can get anything on our web page.

I think it would be helpful.

Um, if if possible if it's if it's too much or if it's like not a great it won't like it won't happen tomorrow.

I've got like a huge list of things to do since city council meetings. So, but yeah, I can get that book on the web page.

I the reason I'm asking is I feel like in in any event where someone on this board or someone is interested in sharing that information, uh doing so over email would be advantageous. So, if there's a link or like a PDF file that we could share to anyone who's interested, that's very helpful and useful because I already have to update it because the city council vote Tuesday night, but none of those projects are

included in my calculations. Got it. So, I got to update all that first.

Okay, that's fine.

I got to put that on the web page.

Perfect.

So, Okay.

Did you Did you end up ordering a new uh printer?

I still don't.

Yeah. Okay. So, one of the things that you might want to have, it's very um useful is that you have automatic uh scanning in there. So, you would just put this entire document in and 5 minutes later.

I think they're getting me a down and dirty little printer. So, I don't know what capabilities we're talking high scanning.

Yeah, the scanning these these are like 100 200 bucks. That's pretty much No, we said we wanted a good one. Well, what I'm saying with the with what I'm talking about with his capabilities, you can get them for like 200 bucks. So, I know if you're going to a better printer, just make sure it has scanning, too.

We're just going to do black and white, but high speed.

High speed and scanning. That's all you need to have it done.

We do if we do any color, we can go down to the print shop and do it, you know.

Well, just I would I would just make it a I would make it a color printer and um because you can get them pretty affordable now and it has all of those bells and whistles. It'll make your life, trust me, it'll make your life so much easier. I used to go down, if you're going to do high-end stuff, then go do color stuff at a a printing shop, but

we just go down to the basement to print shop down here. Oh.

So, we let the city print it for us.

Yeah.

Okay. Uh that's nothing new. Uh have a motion to adjurnn.

I'll make a motion that we adjourn the meeting.

Roll call.

I'll second.

Second.

Michael Ferious. Yes.

Alexander S. Yes. Chris Can Oliver. Yes. Yes.

Rick Mancini. Yes. Chris Benabes. Yes.

All right.

Good night everyone. Thank you.