8.28.2023 Historical Commission

all right uh good evening everyone and thank you for joining us um for the uh Fall River historical commissions meeting we are meeting virtually via Zoom um it is Monday August 28 2020.

the meeting is being recorded via Zoom it will be available on Fall River government TV as well as their YouTube page afterwards um pursue into the open meeting law any person who may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or

unperceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible um we get a roll call for the historical commission please my soul present Rick Mancini present via Zoom Elizabeth to block president and Jason Bouchard and Rocky present via Zoom um we are missing Joyce rodericks and we do have two open seats um one of which uh we have a candidate um Ms Ashley decuno who will be confirmed

um or she will be on the agenda for City Council in September and we also do have the reappointments for Rick and Elizabeth also being confirmed by City Council on the September meeting for the city council um the first item on the agenda is to review and approve the minutes from July 18 2023 they were not available at the last meeting any for the historical commission any concerns or questions to approve the

minutes right I'll second that motion all right I have a motion by Connie a second by Rick um I get a roll call uh Connie uh yes um Rick yes Elizabeth yes and Jason Bouchard Rocky yes that's to approve the minutes from July 18th um item number two is to review and approve the minutes from August 15 2023.

I'll make a motion that we approve those minutes right it's recorded thank you and the second by Connie Sab Emotion by Rick and the second by Connie uh roll call Connie yes Rick yes Elizabeth yes and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes to approve the minutes from August 15th okay thank you um there any citizen input for items on the agenda no okay um a few things we have a notices of intent to demolish

um from the August 15th meeting we had um item number 3229 Highland Avenue um this will be actually carried over to our September meeting um the South Coast Health has not yet closed on the property but I did receive notice today and they requested to be on the September meeting um so we'll carry that on until the September hearing so you need that motion you need a motion to have that tabled or

um no we bro we I don't think so um because they they made the request to bring it up for September um so item number four is 247 Tuttle Street um it is not listed on the registry of significant structures um and then item number five um 110 Chase Street um the applicant is Seeking a waiver of the demo delay ordinance for the partial demolition of non-historic modern editions this is the Wyoming Mills which

is not on the national register it is listed on the state Register as well as the city's registry and we do have uh represented up yeah we have uh Mr Goldman from uh representing the ownership of the property um if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself and stating your um the company or that you're representing please sure hi my name is Charles Goldman and here representing uh the Goldman group

thank you so much by the way for accommodating our schedule and for your flexibility in meeting with us today um so I think our pleasure and if you want to mine uh discussing what the additions that you are taking if you have any visuals um we can I believe Alex can do a share screen if necessary so I could throw that if you want that'd be great David if you could share

so hello everybody my name is David Smithson I'm the architect for the project and um want to show you a little bit about what we're proposing to do over there so um if you'll let me share screen uh I will do that excuse me David where is your location is an architect from where we're in East Providence Rhode Island all right thank you just for the record absolutely thank you and so

the Chase Street project is located I guess pretty much north of cook Pond in Fall River and it's bounded by um Broadway to the to the East and Sprague Street to the north and Chase and Globe streets to the South and Bay Street to the West and um this is a fairly large property with what is a very large building on it and ironically enough it is one large building they're all connected together

um but with that said it was built in many many many generations of constructing and uh our intent is really to remove some of these portions of the buildings to try to get back to the facades of the in my mind the most historically significant and most interesting building and expose those facades so if we look at this building from the sky it's sort of two bars there's one to the

West here and one to the east here and they're joined with a tiny little uh bridge that that joins them right here um of those buildings we believe that really uh three portions of those are sort of more historically significant and we're suggesting retaining five portions in total and then sort of removing the additions that connect to those and connect them together to split it into uh five different buildings and

when I say five two of them will actually still be connected with that bridge and will still um be one building but we'll read as two buildings because the connection is so small where that bridge is and so I'm going to pull up another drawing that I have that shows what we're planning on demolishing what we're planning on keeping and then I'm gonna go into the Google Map and Go a little

more closely uh what that means and how we came to this conclusion so so here's the same really the same image we just saw now I've color coded it and I'm going to zoom in a little on that so you can see it better and if anybody can't see it or has any questions feel free to ask me I'm happy to zoom in a little closer or show you what's going on so the three portions

that are sewn in purple on this are what we consider to be the more historically significant building uh the older portion uh the one that's at the top a long skinny bar right here that's that's a granite building that's sort of been stuccoed and it's a what appears to be a very old uh Mill building and the two at the bottom again connected with this tiny Bridge um are the the Brick portions of the

buildings that are more um iconic for that Mill and and and our goal is to expose those buildings and and let them go all the way from the ground to the top now the port Horsemen orange and the porcelain yellow is a much more modern um metal building kind of built with metal building technology and it's a large Warehouse in Factory building um when I say more modern uh I would guess uh late 70s early 80s

um we're planning on keeping that as to remain sort of a commercial building and then there's one portion this this drawing is a little bit out of date down at the bottom and I'm going to zoom in on this so you can really see it right here uh there's an L-shaped building right here it's also that same metal building technology and we're going to um keep keep that and that'll actually

be part of the uh apartment complex and uh we'll have a little bit of commercial component too now now to to um tell you a little of Our intention uh those metal buildings and there'll really be two metal buildings an l-tape one that's orange and yellow here towards top and this illustave one the smaller green one towards the bottom those are going to be completely uh renovated the facades of those and the

roofs are not in very good condition the one at the bottom and the one at the top are sort of covered with with small additions around them and so when we take that all off there's not that much left we have to do a bunch of structural repair and facade and roof repair so Our intention is sort of to uh to renovate those in a more modern Edison um we sort of consider those to be less

historically significant um and we can talk a little bit more about what that means uh and then let's drill into the meat and potatoes of this project which is these all these green portions which is what we're intending to remove and and those are all um a wide variety of construction types and a wider variety of areas that they were built in um but the majority of them are sort of

lower Quality Construction uh concrete block with wood roofs uh wood framed walls wood roofs some metal fed metal building technology um and and there is a little bit of older masonry construction in there which I want to talk about more specifically so I'm going to go from this drawing into the Google Maps and show you uh what this really looks like from the ground and so I'll drop in

here up on State Street right now and turn and face the building and as you can see that you can't see anything from this side I'm going to kind of go down the hill a little bit and now the the more original brick building begins to appear uh which Our intention is to keep this and renovate this in a historically sympathetic traction and and try to get this back to what it may have originally looked like

um and as I come down the hill more we still see that taking it through the trees and I'll eventually get down to a driveway where I can kind of come into the property and this is really part of um South Beacon Street uh it's it's really a private road down here but it's it is does let me get in and I'm approaching the building and we can see here this beautiful

um brick building with a lot of additions attached to it so down on the lower um right hand corner there's a set of what is it five or six loading dock base that's uh um honestly a very uh kind of Freddy he's a kind of President uh in terms of its condition and we want to take that off and expose the original building behind it on the lower left hand side there's a sort of a very

similar building again uh you know sort of blocks concrete block Wood roof and some loading docks we want to take that off and expose that portion of the building and as I come around the corner we begin to see this uh older um uh Granite building in front of me we intend to keep that and and renovate that but remove this little garage off the front of it take that down

um and as I come around this building and again happy to answer any questions you may have I'm going to go past it and come back and look at it from the other side uh take take away this large oil tank and then now uh before I get into the kind of middle of the complex um we're going to look just a little bit at this metal building um this blue uh and and cream colored

metal building is what we had colored in Orange on that that from the sky and you can see it's a fairly it's a it's a big metal box with a concrete block or cinder block um base to it and has um what appears to be a couple of generations of metal siding attached to it tunnel that's come off the side there and as I look sort of further back in

the complex there's a lot of sort of lower scale um concrete block editions that have been put on that we'd like to take away and sort of get back to the original facade and where that is in this picture is is the blue band at the top and that cream colored wall just below it that's the wall we're trying to get back to at that point um and I'm going to go just a little

further around so we can look back now one of the things we have here is the uh very large smokestack and if I zoom in on that there's a little red brick addition in here and what we can't see very well behind that is the Boiler House The Boiler House with an older portion of the complex and and is sort of an interesting masonry building however we do would like to

tear that down along with the chimney and part of the reason for that is it's in pretty rough State properly and has some um say contamination under it and I want to I want to show more specifically what I mean it's easy to see when you're inside the building we we're not going to go inside the building right now but um I'm gonna go back and look at this um from the sky

and I want to point out one thing that is visible from the sky uh oops I'm sorry I went to our other project here yeah we've got so many things going in Fall River really wonderful um so so here I am coming from this guy and we were just up here on the corner a sort of a Beacon Street uh and if I zoom in you can you can sort of see that

Paul's chimney with these sort of uh octopus like ducks that come out and go into the top uh to of the boilers and there's some lines that kind of run um up into the right here and what those are is they're actually being structural beings that have been put above the roof of that building and the reason for that is at some point in this building's history they actually cut out all the

columns and Floors inside the building and left it Excel and resupported IT with beams on the roof and that's actually uh expressively undermined this building pretty significantly and um they they removed so much of the internal fabric of this that we don't have a very good way of integrating it or using it into our current project way so I think this is probably our biggest request for your board is to remove this

obviously we're at we're asking to remove a fairly large number of pieces of buildings around these but um I expect this would be the one piece that is um uh you know a little more challenging uh so that's it so Our intention is the square building right here which we call building uh c um it has some kind of low scale addictions around it on three sides we want to take those away so we can use

the first floor of that building get the windows back get those historic Windows really composed get that historic brick facade re-exposed and and restored uh and then what we're the the bar building here which is sort of the original piece of the mill um it has some lower scale additions around it that we want to take away we sort of saw those from the street um and then we want to take the the bar

building which we're calling building a internally um and take away it's a difference too so we can expose it with God towards the middle of the kind of the courtyard of the um property so I think that's an overview of what we're intending to do and I'm happy to ask any questions or answer any questions you guys may have and um and and you know let you know more about the project well David just

the one question uh we did get a wonderful tour of this property Charles spent a lot of time and was very detailed in his explanation it was wonderful great job very glad we were part of that but I just have a little question here that building in the center with the white roof is is that to be removed it is and that's that's a metal building it's it's it's got a it's

got roof so it just looks One Direction um but that's a much more modern um concrete block and uh metal building technology piece and we are intending to remove that yes and then everything west of that to the brick or I'm sorry to the Granite building is going to be removed also correct so all of that Center caution including the boiler room and and this other material uh adjacent to the white roof that's all

to be removed correct correct yep got it yeah um regarding so the property was part of it was included in the multiple resource area survey that was done in late 70s I think early 80s um so the property actually never made it on to the National register because of an owner owner objection um so I'm just I'm assuming the it's moving forward to have the property listed on uh to be included on the

national register would any demo especially the boiler house would that jeopardize the the nomination process at all so I'm gonna let Michael flash speak to that he's part of our team and it's sort of heading up the historic effort on this and he's much more knowledgeable than I am thank you David uh for the record uh my name is Michael The Flash um historic preservation consultant with uh Heritage Consulting Group

um yeah so to answer your question there Jason um yes we are going to seek to um overturn that owner objection um as we go through a historic tax credit project on this as well so this will be both state and federal historic tax credits um that we are seeking for this project uh the removal of the boiler house will have to obviously be part of that application process

um as part of the NR updates if you've ever looked at the area forms that were pulled together I think it was 83 Jason on that one and if you've ever looked at that they don't really get into any details on anything so it's very simple so we are we'll we'll be updating um as part of the part one application the overall site um Federal history date ranges on everything um so Mr Manchester United answered your

question the white root area right we've we're getting that as Circa 96 so we'll have dates and everything um associated with each building section um so the boiler house will be um all part of that uh were understanding of that being the more older um dating towards around 1910 in terms of construction um you know the structural deficiencies and environmental concerns is what our

primary conversation points with I mean the in the Park service will really look like um you know you know we'll kind of keep pressing down that path okay thank you just just for the record there this is Ken Fiola um the chimney that's there that's not the original chimney correct and David I might ask you or Stephen to chime in um I I do believe it's been kind of tinkered with quite a bit you know

and that's a metal chimney those were those were kind of uh the more modern chimneys that's if you if I hamper to guess at that I would say it's probably under 50 years old it was probably put in the 70 75 yeah that's the that's the Vintage of that particular metal chimney okay a lot of the metal editions that that we're actually proposing to keep the larger lsh and the smaller L shape portions

um those need to around 71 so best yes sometime right around then um and cancer just for the record um you're representing it's Bristol County I forgot the full name yeah I'll be I'm representing Bristol County EDC and I'm here to also speak and support of uh the applications Before You Tonight from the golden group thank you um are there any other questions from the historical commission um just just

one more question again I'm I'm I'm all in favor I I see no problems here at all the question I only have is the the granite building has looks like it's been washed over skim coated with stucco is are you going to try and remove the stucco or or just redo the the Finish that that's that's a that's a good question um we haven't had any discussions about

that yet I think if we can find a way to remove it and the the you know we would pursue that but we haven't I have to admit we haven't dug deep enough into this project one of one of our um issues honestly on the design side is significant forcing of the buildings we want to keep are covered up with the buildings we want to remove and we need

to sort of take them off so we can see what's under there and see what we can do with it um so we have a few gaps in our design right now um in in the granite building is definitely a part of that but I would agree 100 if we can find a way to to get that down to the granite and uh not damage the building make it look better ultimately that would be uh preferred

you know I think it would make it look a lot nicer good good and if if not we would probably try to patch what's there at least to to meet some era of its history yeah and then we asked the same question to Charles also about the more industrial uh looking uh boxes as you call them uh when you when you re-pair is the design going to be you're going to try and

change the period back a little bit or or you know what kind of materials are going to be put on there sure so right now our um understanding of those buildings is they are they are metal building technology they are uh a bit past their lifespan honestly as that type of building goes uh so we're going to have probably some significant structural repair that needs to go into those buildings

um which involve you know we we've identified rusted columns we've identified rusted purlins and and gerts in the buildings uh and and and damaged uh Talent or you know forklift brand into them and that kind of thing and so it was doesn't special repair we have to do uh you know in the primary and secondary stuff during the building and then um yeah well really as you can see in

this picture on the screen there's a lot of mechanical equipment on the roof which is going to come off um and we'll put new mechanical equipment back but new roof uh repair the roof deck and then um as part of this we'll probably strip it down to the frame on the walls and Our intention because you really ask about the finished material Our intention is to give it a more modern

but still a sort of an industrial look and so we're looking at um Ephesus for the exterior right now which is uh it's kind of like stucco um stucco finish and covering um the walls and covering up the concrete block and kind of giving it a uniform finish on the whole building and the intention is to give it a more modern look but also um kind of get the flavor of a industrial building so

that's that's the pain from what it was originally but I think it'll improve the building quite a bit in terms of what they look like um you'll have us he'll have a a rough sort of Stucco surface is that the material correct so you're going to be actually giving it a semi-stone looking facade which is which is much improved over the metal yeah and and we're also going to kind of cover the concrete

block or probably cinder block you know exterior of that building so it'll be a more uniform uh building all around it sure um and uh you know we've been um looking at some sort of uh other buildings you know how they look and and so it stood um be very attractive and and new the the outside building for the bottom um isn't the thing because it has another building sort of next to it

that's going to go away so this actually we're gonna we're going to make two new walls in that building that weren't there originally um and it will be freestanding separated and where where that is um right there in the Middle where that building is that's where we're hoping to put the swimming pool for the apartment complex because this building would serve as um a clubhouse for that for the

residents but there also be a couple commercial spaces rentable commercial spaces down there that we're working on integrating uh into the streets so we're thinking about how to redo the parking lot and redo the grading at that area so they're actually visible from the secret and not um well right now they're they feel like they're kind of buried in a hill and you know they're behind the

trees and everything so you can't see it from the street so we're we're hoping to make that an attractive building and um and change how that works in relationship to the streets streetscape all right thank you um and just and just for the so for the record regarding the demo uh ordinance so the our ordinance for the demo demolition delay it doesn't indicate there's the the language isn't specific

on Modern editions versus the historic um it does regard any demolition of any historic structure any structure uh and whole or part thereof um so in this case because the property is not on the national register it is on the city register so this does fall under or purview any partial demolitions um so that's uh yeah while you're here um yeah um any other I I would uh well any other comments Connie Elizabeth no

all right so they're seeking the demolition waiver to wait the six months to start demolition of the I would make a motion that we waver the six months demolition delay and allow the project to proceed all right so I have a motion by Rick and a second by Connie uh to waive the six-month demolition delay um I'm Gonna Roll call Rick yes honey yes Elizabeth yes and Jason Jordan Rocky yes right thank you I will

get that letter prepared for you and I will send that um send it over to you regarding the waiver so that way you can uh that'll be used for your demolition permit um so that will waive that um and I must say I'm looking forward I I've been purviewing the Flint Mill area and I'm really looking forward to getting a good a good Fairview of that whole facility that that's going to be another Amazing Project

that is one huge huge complex that's that's coming up so we're almost there what was it oh it's coming up now sorry about that again that I keep my screen Fair on here for you guys uh sure okay um all right so see um under correspondence we have um this is item six on the agenda we did receive a correspondence from Nelson Vasquez on August 15 2023 it is regarding the request for the

endorsement uh for any proposed renaming and rededication in honor of uh Gene Baptiste LePage this was an uh topic that was brought up at our August 15th meeting uh so from Mr Vasquez dear members of the Fall River historical commission I am writing to kindly request your endorsement for any proposed renaming and rededication in honor of Gene Baptiste LePage as we all recognize Mr lepage's contributions to

our city and its history are Paramount and such an act would be a fitting tribute to his enduring Legacy moreover while the discussions and speculations have have their place it is essential for our community and its future Generations that we have a clear concrete plan for this proposal the city's residents deserve certainty and Clarity in honoring one of its most significant figures your endorsement and

guidance would not only give this initiative The credibility it requires but also Inspire trust and an enthusiasm among among the community members I genuinely hope that the historical commission will support our endeavors to appropriately commemorate Mr lepage's Legacy thank you for your time and consideration sincerely Nelson Vasquez um and his address is 210 Sunset Hill in Fall River um so um

next on new business item seven you wanna would you like an update on that or are you that is that's that's further down the agenda okay you want to wait okay um so next on the agenda 7A um we have the Goldman group uh requesting letters of support to be included in historic tax credit applications this is for the Wyoming Mills that uh was just presented at 110 Chase Street

um and again just for your uh for the record um to introduce yourselves and your the company that you represent please

um Heritage Consulting Group um yes uh greatly appreciate the opportunity um not entirely sure how much in depth or how much more you want me to talk on G Street a puppy days or anything um regarding the proposal uh what is being um uh planned for the complex so we've already discussed um for the past agenda item regarding the demo waiver so this would be regarding um what the future

plan for the project well for for the project we're looking at a residential um primarily residential I should say uh Rehabilitation um the three main buildings that we previously presented upon um the granite building in the two Brick Mill buildings will all become um apartment multi-family apartment units throughout um then resident amenities will be located up towards that South plan south side where the pool

um is going with commercial uses in that larger elephant building um as part of the project we're looking to to restore and kind of have a lot of the masonry components um and we will be looking to incorporate a lot of the industrial character that you find throughout the three primary buildings including wood floors wood ceiling structures wood columns throughout um as well as historically appropriate

window replacement and door replacement excellent and um I have how um in terms of the windows um because I think the vast majority of the windows on the structure are Replacements um have have you um do you have any historic references of what the windows look like well the the um what is historically known as Mill one and we call dated Building B if you want to throw the mouse over on top of that

um at both buildings be in Building C I should say which is Mill two the more Square shaped brick building um off to the right and two of them have pretty much no historic Windows whatsoever um if they do their hidden dark and deep in the recesses of the buildings um per Mill one what you're looking at now we do have some historic plans dating to the 1890s that fill the original Window and Door configurations

and that's what we'll be looking towards is to match and provide the historically appropriate um we're building behind it um we have not located historic photos as of yet um or anything along those lines that comes about 10 years after the larger brick building you're looking at now um You can just know people at that point in time kind of forgot about it but um to kind of do something similar I

would imagine in the window openings as they are somewhat um similar in their size and dimension multi-light configuration double hung most likely or some sort of pivot and audience to them at the granite building um there are some historic Windows left inside there uh multi-lite wood double hung configuration on those as well what you're looking at now on the exterior are not historic Windows

um the spare Tower uh David I believe has one yes um that would be more in line with what we're looking at replacing with so we're going to use the existing as our launching ad great and how many units um all together a residential or or uh or right now at 197 units total wow okay it's a bit of a moving Target but that's going to be really really close to the number

and um and he said commercials that's in the back area in the modern that that area correct and what type of commercial just out of curiosity are you aiming for um I'll I'll let Charles Goldman speak to the type but for this area this is about an 80 000 square foot building and Our intention is divided to four units approximately 20 000 square feet each it's it's a little hard to comment on

the tenant without having tenants already in place but uh we we expect light industrial use okay

um and in terms of construction so um once demo is done and Designs have been finalized what what's the timeline for construction to start uh we're planning on beginning construction on the warehouse building as soon as next month and uh um likely the historic buildings um on or before April of next year okay

and as with all good planning they'll be Granary put in place oh definitely definitely that's that's very important to us our goal is to make this into a very very beautiful site beautiful complex oh I'm sure and skating is very important I noticed on the um the um drawings and renderings that were submitted thank you very much for sending those in um and it's it's quite extensive um the the uh the driveway

um that's that ramp driveway that comes in off Chase Street will be removed but then um an area parking over along Chase Street but that's it's pretty low pretty far below the street grade and then there will be Landscaping around that whole area as well um so I can speak a little bit to the site planning so so right now from the pastry side it's accessed through three separate driveways one comes in right

here uh and it comes kind of down into the site um off of Chase Street almost where it intersects Globe Street um there's another sport driveway this off space which is really more of a loading dock right to that end of the building and then further down South Beacon intersex space uh and Our intention is to um reroute that driveway that intersects space and globe and bring that up um

more almost where that loading dock comes in right now and the intention that the State Street spokes way down um from uh the from Globe Street down to South Beacon um it's a pretty significant change and grade and Our intention is to grab some of that lower grade and then come back into the site and kind of swoop down to the lower level a little more gently and have some

um parking lots that are um not a spy in the air as they are right now and part of the intention of that is just to make it more accessible to the resume and also to the people are using this l-state commercial building because there will be a bit of a commercial component at that end of the site and then up um we're probably going to reroute the end of stuff speaking street

because keep in mind that is that is private property it's not a city street coming through a little further down State Street almost to king um and that's to help lay out the uh the parking and then and then the other end of deconstrate it does eventually become a public Street um and that'll remain in that same location of course okay great um anyone from the historical commission any questions regarding

the renderings certainly helped thank you for it but because it is it there's a lot between the demo and um some buildings being retained and um the other remainder of the historical portions being uh rehabilitated so uh any other questions they're seeking a letter of support no I I think it's great um you want a motion I'll make a motion that we get a letter of support out thank you

I'll second that mostly I have a motion by Rick and a second by Connie to approve a letter support for the um tax credit application the letter support for the tax credit application so um roll call Rick yes honey yes Elizabeth yes Jason Bouchard Rocky yes all right thank you um and then um let's see from the same group um item 7B on the agenda is regarding letter support for the tax credit application

for Flint Mills at 135 Alden Street thank you very much by the way thank you very much you're welcome uh similar request in similar General scope at this Wonder here um and Mr Mason you are absolutely correct that Granite face on this is something spectacular um we're all very excited about this project um residential Rehabilitation again um at the what are technically five or six buildings at this complex

um each of the three rectangular sections that you see the primary ones that are five stories um or with a basement that is um those are all going to become residential Apartments um and again I'll let David sign in on the full amount of units here um within the center where you have the boiler house there's also a four-story pass-through that connects um the upper building to the lower building

so each are fully interconnected with one another at the moment um those will all kind of fall into the same line here during the project um there's also a boiler house up towards the front which is where resident amenities will be I believe a restaurant concept is involved there um right where Alden Street kind of hits a curve is a one-story office building um that matches the general appearance

that too will be part of the project um brought back to life there as well um and I believe that one is meant more so for commercial but that is lagging behind ever so slightly in terms of its design and fit out um as you can kind of see there's a bit of a hodgepodge when it comes to the windows at this one um there are many extant historic windows but generally none of them

survive in any kind of usable condition unfortunately um there's also a number that have been infilled with um CMU blocked and smaller um aluminum or vinyl windows um the windows will all be kind of brought back in their original configuration um in reincorporating with the whole complex at the interior again historic wood flooring um dark wood flooring or wood ceiling structure will both be kind of retained

and exposed and uh historic columns all maintained and exposed throughout did you say you're going to maintain the the existing ceilings yes yeah that's part of the proposed scope um now and I'll let David chime in if I say anything wrong here but we'll we'll I believe the plan is to kind of prepare and replace the flooring um and then maintain that historic ceiling structure as part of it so that

way when you walk down the Halls you can see that um how many units for this one out of curiosity I'm trying to remember uh I believe we're around about 400 for this this property um and uh Steve Dargo on on my team's on this call he might he might remember better than I do um but I'm pretty sure around about 400 on this side it's a foreign giant it's a giant structure so okay that's

and um in terms of the um the the work so nothing's being demolished um on the building um and the property is on the national register um yeah uh that's basically the last one in that neighborhood really that has not been rehabilitated um thank you um yeah and the renderings thank you again for sending over the plans that was very very helpful to see everything in in detail yeah hi Jason if I could just add a

comment here it's Ken viola um you can see that whether it's the Chase Street property or obviously all the street property yeah we who live in a city here know how far these properties have fallen into disrepair uh over a number of years in you know have become an eyesore as well as a public potential Public Safety uh problem for the city as well as the residential areas around these properties

um you can see that the number of units that's being proposed by the government group you know is pretty significant and with those types of numbers you know the the that number of Apartments represents a very very significant investment here so the you know the aspect of them being able to secure uh both state and federal historic tax credits are huge because that helps offset some of the overall

development costs that yeah that these buildings present to them as part of their overall development scheme in a capital stack that's necessary to to pull these projects off so because Jason said you know we we started off with a curtain Lofts on you know on quickashan street and then we moved over to the to the Nittany Mill property and then we had Chris Starr do the old um uh lb file building at the end of all

the stream heads text style so this particular building here is really the last piece of those big buildings uh along halder Street and to preserve it and to give it new life uh with people frequenting that area which means that it's more activity and also activity from people going to the church there and visiting some of the other restaurants in that neighborhood from an economic development standpoint this

along with Chase Street are huge but you know unless we can get unless the golden group can get the historic tax credits it really becomes you know a an unmanageable project from a financial perspective so that's why you know you're supporting this uh this group support is so important uh in the overall scheme of helping a developer a qualified reputable developer move forward with a reputable project that's

going to benefit not only the neighborhood but the entire city in general so I'm hoping that you guys will continue to support this application like you did with Chase and thank you very much for that and and I agree the the impact is this particular building and any other complexes that have in this neighborhood on Alden Street I mean that um it really will benefit the city and

more directly to the Flint neighborhood makes it more viable of a neighborhood for business to open up and um you know that's a an area of the city that really needs really needs the investment and the the creativity to kind of bring it back to you know getting the shops open and more activity down there um so this is this would be a major step forward forward for the neighborhood in my opinion

so and the presentation that you people have made so far as a group for both projects uh it makes you makes at least myself feel very comfortable that you kind of be out there really really structuring this this correctly because as Jason said the renderings that we've seen to date and and and the time that you've taken to bring us through these properties and and showing the due diligence that you've

got in mind uh I would definitely If Connie or or Elizabeth do you guys have anything to say if not I'll make a motion no I I agree about 100 percent yeah I definitely agree this looks great well I would make a motion that uh we let them uh and support their their uh intentions of getting uh the tax credit I'll second that motion yes I have a motion by Rick and a second

by Connie for letter support for the Flint Mills at 135 Alton Street uh roll call Rick please yes honey yes Elizabeth yes Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes so I will um I will be writing a lot of letters tonight so I will be sending those out um I know the applications are due the 31st I believe um so I will you'll have those tomorrow um as part of your applications um and if there's any questions whatsoever

um by all means uh reach out and happy to help thank you so much thank you all so much for your time and support thank you my pleasure thank you so much for for attending tonight and for flexibility yes thank you thank you everyone appreciate it pleasure thank you Ken thank you Ken thank you um on item 8A for new business uh we have a request for letter support for historic tax credit application um from Heritage

Consulting Group uh regarding 80 to 84 North Main Street this is the Durfee block I'll I'll say right on here and I promise I won't bother you all that much longer um thank you again Michael The Flash Heritage Consulting Group um working on on this gym right downtown at the corner of being in Main Street um right in sandwich in between the library and the Armory um this is the historic Durfee block

also known as The BMC uh Durfee Trust Bank building um constructed originally in in the late 1890s expanded upon with some frequency actually until right around 1928 or so um and then even into the the late 70s there are some building sections that kind of come alongside with that um project here is uh again a residential apartment um where we're going to convert this for uses 22 apartment units

um strung out between the three floors here the basement will have some resident amenity space towards the back where it comes into the folds down along Bank Street um the remainder will kind of carry on um historic finishes throughout will be incorporated and retained whether they are where they do exist um right behind these windows is the area of the former painting Hall um there are some wonderful columns that

remain in there they were encased sometime around in the 70s we're going to break those casings off and restore those and store columns and reincorporate those something we're all very excited about when that finally does happen um at the exterior here um it'll look more or less the same as it does now um the Upper Floor windows that you see are not historic um originally those were one over one

windows we will be going back to that design there at the ground floor of those windows the steel multi lights will be um replaced with an aluminum that enables us to have um emergency Ingress through the side lights as as I kind of have been calling them off to the two sides fair but the general appearance will remain the same um yeah that's uh I think that's the gist of it with this one

the window is going to retain there either brown or black nature I I believe yes the the black especially at the bottom ones uh to be honest I don't believe we've talked about the upper floors and what the the window color will look like at the exterior I would imagine it might be a similar um to maximum over to match that first floor but I I'm not entirely positive on that no exotic pink or anything

I I've often wanted to propose something like that just to see the response we get but I'm not so sure I'll get many takers there unfortunately we uh well fortunately to an extent we cannot approve or disapprove an application based on paint colors I guess I'll ask the question exactly well I was just a little humor I was throwing in there so it get some Smiles on our faces here regarding um

and I may have missed it regarding the windows um especially on the North Main Street on the historic um portion of the building um those will be replaced yeah yep so so the upper floors will return to their original one over one and then the bottom four we're gonna look to replace them um for emergency egress components as part of the residential design so the few I might be able to get a really good

shot from the side here um these side components we're looking to make those operable and and kind of have those as somewhat of a casement so that way they could serve as emergency egress um yes that's the general plan of the bill okay now I ask um just because I won over one I I was just curious um so interestingly enough interestingly enough the building um locally uh was it was designed by um

George cloth who was a Boston architect who did BMC Durfee High School the historic High School on Rock Street same architect and I believe his buildings are very well documented um if there's any historic renderings or drawings of that I believe um the Massachusetts historical commission and their archives should have something regarding cloth um uh if there's if you're looking for um the one over one I I mean

that's probably was historically done but um uh if you're looking for historic references or anything of that nature um for the building but I was looking to find a very early 1900s photograph of the building before the windows that you see here were installed before the rear Edition was put on um the mass in archives do have the renderings of the rear Edition from 1928 unfortunately that is all they have

um and those unfortunately for for my faith in in my sanity here they only showed this elevation so we never got the actual lipid with the original door it was or anything like that um as you can see through here as I scroll over they've got replacement storefront systems hidden behind the metal gears um unfortunately we don't have much gold to go off of for for a point of reference on that front but when you

know these windows were in prior to 28 as that rear section was put on interesting okay great and 28 is a significant time period at least with Fall River because of the the big fire that devastated most of downtown I think that I'm not sure maybe the block south of that I think that was all decimated because that would have been when the Durfee theater went up so yeah that this building would have been

greatly affected by that fire um any other any questions from anyone on the historical commission regarding the application I have a question but it's about the interior so there's a walk-in Vault on the first floor in the bank part just curious what's happening with that there's actually a number of vaults throughout the building that we are going to try our best to incorporate in

for a number in a number of ways um at the basement I believe it actually becomes storage um at the first floor there are two volts one within that rear portion um and one within the what's let's call it the historic section um both of those um will be incorporated in one as the management office um so that somebody will will unfortunately be stuck inside that fault all day

um and then the other um as uh proposed individual time space at the moment is the kind of small office commercial space for anybody within the building um that kind of thing there is a another vault at the third floor of the um the rear Edition um that rear editions third floor though is not considered to be historic it dates to around I think 63 if not a little bit earlier to be perfectly honest

um at least we're dating at the circus 63 at the moment um we're kind of incorporating that within an apartment no foreign any other questions that they're seeking letter support uh for their practical application I'll make a motion to Grant a letter of support I mean I'll second that motion and then Connie and a second by Rick letter support for the Durfee block at 80 to 84 North Main uh roll call Rick yes Connie

yes Elizabeth yes and Jason Bouchard and Iraqi yes all right many thanks to all of you for everything this evening my pleasure thank you so much for really welcome all the information that you've provided thank you and Ken thank you again yeah thank you guys thank you all righty um item nine a um this is a request for letter support to be included in an application for Community preservation act grant funding

um this is the George Haas house at 229 Winter Street the property is a contributing uh structure on the highlands National register historic district I believe we have Eric if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself and stating uh your name address and how you were my yeah it's Eric Halstead and my address is uh 57 Sefton Drive in Cranston Rhode Island uh I've owned the building with my

brother knut for about three years and looking to uh bring the porches and some other items back excellent um and the so the property um so this is the CPC grant funding is for the exterior um and some work has already gone on but so they're um so um for those that might not be familiar with the property go ahead yeah if I if I could the prior owner had uh removed a lot of the front

columns they have a lot of the original work in the basement uh that they stored fairly nicely and well but it all needs to be uh kind of reworked a lot of labor-intensive uh efforts to put it back uh but they're all in fairly decent shape and we've been in contact with some uh woodworking shops in the area Troy City uh has given us a quote to help us redo some of the columns any of

them need to be rebuilt but most of them they just need a lot of labor-intensive uh love put them back to bring them back and hopefully we can get the porch back to where it was originally excellent um and the and so the property is currently um uh multi-family multi-family uh we it's always been rented good tenants uh they love the building uh the interior is fairly original uh it was probably cut

up in the 70s as a multi-family uh original wood doors and staircases and all that or uh in very decent shape it was a funeral home for many years uh that uh you know they they uh I think they took very good care of what was there uh and then after they left uh I guess it was cut up into a multi-family there's an original uh elevator that's in the basement that goes from the

basement to the third floor uh it's not really workable but it's there all the components are there uh the last time it was used was in like 72 or 73 I think was what would have had the inspection to it pretty interesting insight uh it's the the exterior it's it's one of those um you know Fall River has a a wonderful collection of Second Empire it's and it's like a more of an Eclectic

um Second Empire italianate Fusion that the house is and you there's several around the corner on uh Rock Street um there's the giant one on the Stafford House on Locust Street which is kind of a diagonally behind the rear of the house um so there's like it's there's a great deal of detail on the on the exterior of that house that's been retained um and so the application so this the

initial so this will be for you're not doing the windows yet or why not we uh so I we met this morning I met Jason this morning and just kind of gave him an Overlook of what we were looking at a lot of the windows have been done with uh vinyl windows uh prior to our ownership and uh there's still a lot of original windows but we really never even thought about

uh that effort uh maybe at a later date we could look into uh because I guess this application has been before this weekend and uh you know for working on the porches and the exterior but perhaps maybe next year we could work in uh perhaps with the windows uh a lot of them are still original with the weights and all that stuff original class excellent thank you um are there any

questions from anyone on uh for the historical Commission no questions okay no not not at this point what most of us are familiar with that building and and we've we've seen that the purple siding and things of that you know the paintball purple paint that was put on which is actually kind of distinguishing yeah is that fair do you like that color or we saw a couple in the area that were

painted that color and we thought it kind of looked good but what happened last year we had a contract we were working with and uh we really didn't like the quality of what the work he had done on that one side and we just kind of paid him off and sent them on his way and we stopped at that moment but uh I mean if you have a suggestion we're always hoping for suggestions so we

wanted to look nice you know yeah yeah it's a beautiful house it really is and I appreciate the uh taking this on to restore it yeah it needs a lot of work it's you've got a lot a lot of your hands full you talk about you talk about TLC oh my gosh it's got a Double T to it wow right right don't discourage him Rick a long time but it is a beautiful

building it is a fantastic house um yeah I remember when the the paint went on onto that one facade I remember driving by and I I stopped I slammed on the brakes I'm like oh look at that I mean just the white paint makes that trim pop it really looks great yeah so excellent and you did send I did scan over the um the packet that you provided I sent that to everyone um this morning um

to review it just happened and I dropped it off to uh Sandy's office today uh after we spoke and uh so she has that and so we're looking for a letter support uh to help us with the exterior portraits and siding and that sort of thing what's the intention just uh it's just an additional question but what's the intention of the windows at this point it's a mixture of some of the original and some modifiers

yeah there were some vinyl Replacements mostly on the southern side of the building that took the most heat over the years and I guess it was easier for them to just replace them with uh vinyl windows at that time uh those windows uh the ones that were there uh they're they're not in the basement so what I have is pretty much what's there there are a few windows were stored in the

basement but uh like I said we we would love to look into uh working on the Windows as well but that really wasn't what our plan was uh with this money the the CPC money uh at this time but I mean if we can get it in we could probably try to work on the ones that are there uh and you know look to you guys for maybe some guidance also as to what you

would like to see uh I I know some of the windows have those antique um storm windows where you would take them on and off there's some screens in the basement I don't know how that's a practical uh use you know maybe a nicer storm window to go over the original Windows there'd be something down the line uh but here again we're open for suggestions also uh we have we have uh

it's just been completed a a really nice booklet that could show you and give you some really good guidance so uh when you start getting into that please feel free and we'll get it get one over to you and you can get over and review it it gives you a lot of good ideas on what to how to retrofit and and you know what what will fit and blend nicely sure yeah

we want to bring it back as close as possible to where it was yeah uh you know hopefully give it many years to come of uh you know being on the corner and just uh you know good presence in the neighborhood yeah who owns that parking lot if you're looking if you're standing on Winter Street looking at the building uh just to the north there's that circular Drive

is that part of the old VFW or is it your property no so the the VFW I guess was the original there was a Carriage House originally that got taken out years ago and they built the VFW we have an easement there's a driveway that goes up to their ramp and the Horseshoe part uh is ours and we have an easement to go out onto their uh that driveway that

goes up to the ramp to the back of the building okay and uh when I guess I guess when they did it as a funeral home uh there was an underground uh ramp that was brought to a garage and here again I don't know when it was done because we haven't really looked into it but there was a ramp where the uh the hearse would probably back in in the embalming room

lunge yeah okay thank you like I said I don't know when the elevator actually came in uh if it was for her uh the woman that might have owned it at the time or if it was for the funeral looks like it was made for the funeral home but you know it's uh there's no date on the elevator because we like when it was put in right well thank you any other questions from

anyone well I would I would make a motion to get a letter out in support of the project to the CPC I'll second the motion yeah all right so I have a motion by Rick and a second by Connie uh for support of a letter for 229 uh Winter Street uh roll call Rick yes honey yes Elizabeth yes and Jason Bouchard and Iraqi yes um Eric I will uh I'll have that letter for you

um I'll send that as well um before the deadline application application deadline which is Friday I think the first for the CPC yep yep um so I'll email to you and I'll also send it over to uh Sandy so she can just uh put it with your application perfect thank you very much it's a pleasure meeting everybody okay thank you same here so much um under old business uh item number 10 uh

10 a through d uh we have uh Ryan LLC requesting continued letters of support from the historical commission for their tax credit applications this was tabled on August 15 2023 um pending uh site tours and visits so we have Emily here from Ryan LLC uh Emily if you wouldn't mind uh just introducing yourself and the company that you're representing hi Emily dominiani with Ryan oh let's see thank you and so um

regarding um I I guess we can just uh because we've reviewed these projects all together um before um should we just go over if you want to go line by line uh or project if there's any updates or what the status is at this point sure um since I know that everyone wasn't at every project um so sorry let me just get the Nintendo so I know to order Okay so the international ladies garment workers building

is nearly complete there's just some final items like signage and a few things um on the exterior but otherwise tens have moved in so this will be the final time that we're applying for the state tax credit and hopefully it'll be done sometime in the next month or so do you want me to keep going or do you want to pause um so that was a 10 a 10B this is Stanford spinning Mills still Stanford spinning

um that is going through we got a small letter from the August round with asking for additional information relating to the windows um so we have the shop drawings now we'll be submitting that for approval I've been talking to the National Park Service reviewer and we should be getting a federal conditional approval sometime this week so that's good news and otherwise once the funding is secured they can actually

get going on the construction I mean they've been doing a lot of work pre-construction cleaning out the buildings but I'm cleanup yeah yeah then as as some of you have heard it was it's been months now and still working on that there's a lot there was a lot left in these buildings so cleaning all out all the old product and mechanical equipment is taking some time yourself and Rob you did a great job of

explanation explaining and the explanation of the future of that building is very very informative thank you very much for your time on that and also the iltw that was that was nice to see the finished product was interesting you know to to just see that the details that were put into finishing off that that building and maintaining that aged look in there it was very nicely done and nicely presented thank you for

all of that yeah you're welcome it was nice to meet in person and get to see some of these things and uh obviously you experience the building differently when you're at it rather than just seeing it and as you know I'm I'm sort of a stickler for that I would have to spend our taxpayer money correctly yeah yeah and C is the uh the Notre Dame rectory at 529 Eastern Avenue

so this is the first time applying under the new ownership which uh hopefully is a positive sign that things will be moving forward more quickly the hurdle right now is getting the electrical hooked up and then hopefully they'll be starting Construction and getting that project moving Emily help me out here uh this would have been the second request there was already a request made with the original

owner or the first owner or the past owner but there were no monies or tax credits exchanged at this point correct so the previous owner has received a a few allocations from the state and they have NPS approval for the application so the current owner is took over the project using that application and is going to continue to collect allocations with that same project okay so but so the the past owner did receive

some funding of sorts yes okay and that is transferred in the sale oh I see okay so so they just turned the money back into the new owner yep okay well nothing's paid out until the Project's completed yeah exactly so it's not it's not money yet exactly all it is is here's what you're going to receive we're going to give you this much but it's the project has to be what totally completed before the monies

are allocated yeah ah okay that's what I needed I was thank you for that clarification

thank you Elizabeth okay thank you I paid attention thank you thank you um any other questions on Notre Dame um 10d is Union Belt company at 66 Troy Street so that project is we submitted the federal part to earlier in the summer and we have we the Massachusetts historical commission reviewed it and forwarded to NPS it's been on hold at NPS until we address their additional comments in Amendment

which we will be submitting the amendment and new application State application this coming August on Thursday um we had skipped a couple rounds while we were going through the federal process to get an answer quicker or yeah don't need to get into that but so now that we have we got a lot of comments from the state we're able to address these in a more complete application for the part to um

and yeah and they want to get started on that building hopefully in the fall so great excellent um any questions regarding Toy Street at all so okay um should we should we vote one by one or as a package um because they're presented as a package yeah I I see no I see no issue which presenting as a package and voting as a package anybody have a cons I don't have a concern what the package vote

okay well I'll make a motion if you like make a motion that we approve for tax credit applications for uh both the ilgw the Samford spinning Mills the Notre Dame rectory and the Union Belt company one second the motion all right I have a motion by Rick and a second by Elizabeth um so these are for continued letters if these were new requests then I we would go yeah um so this is a request for letters

um for the properties and I'll go over those in just a moments so uh man I got a roll call vote uh Rick yes uh Connie I didn't hear you sorry uh yes okay okay sorry um Elizabeth yes and Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes um so that was for the letters for the i l g w i l g w u building uh Stanford spinning Mills Notre Dame rectory and Union built companies I will have those

letters over to you before your deadline okay thank you thank you so much for your for your patience tonight and for taking the time to meet with us and to go over the different projects yeah yeah no problem thank you little on that I really appreciate it thank you it was fun okay um okay see uh item 11. um this was also tabled from August 15 2023 this is the proposed

renaming of Third Street as the uh Gene Baptiste LePage Street um I don't know I don't think Colin is here with us tonight um but Rick you said you had some updates regarding that uh yeah it's too bad they're not here here but uh I I did speak to the park commissioner uh and uh asked it I actually spoke to Nancy Smith herself and uh asked about this Gene Baptiste LePage

Corporal and explained to her about the the uh overpass that was in his name and how it was being uh when the overpassed was taken down and the family is looking to have something reinstated and that we were assisting for a number of reasons one because of the third straight um designation was going to be changed with that renaming and and we didn't think it was apropos and that we thought also it

would be better to honor this veteran with a better location and a better symbol than just a couple of blocks of a straight and I mentioned that the gentleman was born on jenk Street in the Flint and was there anything available on the greens out there on Eastern Avenue um Nancy was not sure and she's not sure who owns the property but she did state that it's it's going to be time consuming

to acquire all of the information necessary and then get it stamped by all of the necessary people one uh we as a historic commission are just trying to help because of the Third Street proposed change that we don't want to see the work is going to have to be by family or by Colin dayas who wants to get in there and and be of assistance uh they've got to go before the park

board they also need to go before the planning board and then they got to get the city council approval and in that research designate whether that land is owned by the state or not if it's owned by the state and not governed solely let's we know that the maintenance and the grass cutting and things of that nature are done by the park board so uh I guess it has to be

brought before the park board to see if the pockboard has the authority to authorize that but someone has to do all that work and it would have to be someone in the family or calling to go out there and pursue that and we can be as as much assistance as we can with a letter of support but it's really not our Bailey work to be chasing um the plaque you know as much as

you know it's it's a good cause and it would be very nice uh to a plaque or if the family could get approval or money is for a monument uh that would be all well and good but that rests on their shoulders um so the initial request was made to the planning board for the uh renaming of Third Street so um there the planning board is going to be bringing back up at their next meeting I

believe uh because it was tabled at their last meeting in August so we should we get a letter to the planning board for them to continue tabling it until such an uh an alternative is made um regarding the historical commission stance on the project as well um so because Third Street just those two that one short little block um is a national register historic district that was created in February it

was accepted by the National Park Service in February so it does affect those renaming Third Street would affect those buildings those addresses those residences that are on that street um and the basis of the name of that district is named after the street that it's that runs through it so um would we ask the planning board to table it or at least find it I would yeah I would recommend that we we again

appear before the planning board at the next meeting and asked to have it tabled again that's going to keep it active and open until the family can do all of their research and get all their information if if we if it gets off the table and they take a vote it could just fade it I would leave it there because the planning board's a vital part of getting the monument replaced and you know move

so could we could we write could we produce a letter from the historical commission to the planning board um one requesting them to consider an alternative site um should get tabled um into offering our support for for any potential letters to support that may be necessary for any alternatives that um that are sought so I think we should we should we should have a letter at least approved so it because we cannot

we cannot um up here representing the historical commission unless we have the vote by the board right so so I would would you like a motion to that effect that so we that we write a letter in support of Corporal Gene Baptiste uh Monument being relocated or another another historic site for this Monument um uh and and uh ask them to just and just ask them to I guess put I guess

put the I guess I guess we should table it yes ask them to table it again and now we keep it active until the family was able to get get more information you know yeah I I would make a motion write a letter in support I actually second that motion I feel um that it's really a shame that it's falling on the family or you know to to do this leg work not that it's our

responsibility but I mean his memorial was knocked down you know and and so now they have to do all like this leg work I understand what you say in the Park Board and stuff I just feel like it's a shame that it's falling on them well we could add I could add Clarity to that I'm sorry I didn't Connie I I guess I didn't give you all the information the planning board

has the monument and are you familiar with the overpass that's going in across from the Cove Restaurant there's a new overpass going in what they're going to do is they're going to create six locations within that overpass and one of those is presently designated for this plaque which is going to be in 26.

and they're saying well they maybe they could have another location then just under an overpass so it it the planning board has a location they've got a purpose in mind um they also mentioned that they didn't mind looking for another location because there's going to be some Greenery on on on this new uh 16 Acres that's being developed there will be some locations some grain relocations and

maybe I mean no promises but they said maybe there would be a spot that they could allocate so the the planning board has it under control it's just that the family is looking to do something a little more quickly and maybe get it in a of another location rather than under the overpass am I correct Jason you were there right yeah the the plan was to put a uh um relocate the memorial because there's another gentleman

um that had a bridge named after him um that would be going into a memorial underneath the overpass that's under construction now um so um in which I don't believe was known at the time but the landscape architect representing the planning board Who's involved with the Route 79 project um informed the board that there was a relocated Memorial being placed mm-hmm so if if you if we did nothing

I guess the memorial at this point would be if I understand correctly would be placed under that overpass uh in 1926 correct um but in the meantime um so just in the meantime regarding Third Street um like I said the planning board will present it so I I think we should at least let the planning board know that there is an effort to create a different Memorial they should take third third street off

off their radar uh because it will affect that District um and maybe requesting that they work with the um petitioner who is seeking the name change and including the family as well because Mr lepage's descendant appeared before the planning board um and he wasn't even informed of the whole change either so so we would have to uh speak with Colin dice ask him to be present to ask for that to be rescinded

sure so we can table so what we can do is we can table this again um and I can ask I can invite Mr dies along with Mr lepage's descendant um and that way we can have a conversation as a board and then figure out what needs to be done with the planning with the planning board um and then any future the future Memorial is that is that clear Connie I'm sorry I

didn't mention the other part no no it's fine yeah all right so we need to get a vote to table yes we do need a vote to table okay all right I I'll I'll make a motion that we uh table this discussion regarding uh Colonel Gene Baptiste and uh one yeah table of motion table all right thank you I'll second that motion but I'm just concerned did we have a motion already

on the table I think uh but we didn't that was for a letter to the planning board to table that matters so but we didn't get a vote on it so this is a this is a um just a vote to table this item agenda until we can get Mr Dyas and Mr LePage uh back to have a conversation with our board okay okay all right so I have a

motion by Rick and a second by Connie uh to table this item um roll call Rick yes Connie yes Elizabeth yes Jason Rocky yes okay great um the original motion do you want that rescinded uh yes let's resend that okay so I'll resend the original motion uh getting the letter to the planning board thank you and I'll second that resending that motion thank you all right I have a motion by

Rick and a second by Connie to rescind the original motion um roll call Rick yes Connie Elizabeth yes Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes thank you um all right thank you um anything for open discussion at all a little meeting I do apologize I didn't realize how tonight was gonna be long but we have a lot of letters that we approve so this is great um all right so the next meeting will be

held uh on Tuesday September 19th 2023.

um it is 7 34 PM I get a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting a motion to adjourn and I'll suck in that motion yeah motion by Connie second by Rick Roll call Rick yes Connie yes Elizabeth yes Jason Bouchard and Rocky yes all right thank you so much for the time tonight and we'll get those letters out okay you're gonna be up to Ben