5 20 2025 Historical Commission

Good evening everyone. Like to uh call this meeting of the Fall River Historical Commission to order. Um it is Tuesday, May 20th, 2025. It is 6 pm. Um and we are here at uh the first floor hearing uh council hearing room at government center. Um pursuant to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium. Attendees are

therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible. Um, all right. May I get a roll call? Connie Soul present. Jason Buchardi present. Rick Manceni present.

Trace. Trace. We're doing roll call.

We're doing roll call. Yes.

We're doing roll call. your name.

Present. Joyce Rodick's present. Thank you. Um we are missing um Ashley Duna, uh Elizabeth Dlock, and John Lima. We do not have any open seats.

Um let's see. Item number one, the minutes from March 18th, 2025. It was tabled on April 15, 2025. Those are not yet ready. Um Elizabeth will have those to us.

Um, and uh, so if we can get that, I have a motion to table that to uh, table that for I'll make a motion to table uh, the minutes for March 18th and April 15th to the next meeting. I'll second that motion. Thank you. All right. Yeah.

And that goes with the meeting uh, minutes from April 15th. Those are not ready either.

Okay. So, we're tableabling items number one and two to our June meeting. Um, a roll call to table. Connie, yes. Rick, yes. Joyce, present.

Yes. Are we're tableabling, sorry, we're tableabling the minutes. Thank you. And Jason Buchard and Rocky. Yes. All right.

Thank you. Just trying to catch up with all this, right?

Okay.

Um, are we moving any items? Uh, I'd like to make a motion to move items 11 and 12 uh to up on the agenda to just before citizens input or add citizens input. Okay.

Do I have a second to move? I'll second that. All right. So, I have a motion by Connie to move items 11 and 12 to before citizens input. Um so that will make we'll have to do a little renumbering.

Um but uh so number uh three will be technically number um no number will be new business. So we're moving new business up. Okay. Mhm. Okay.

All right. So motion by Connie to move 11 and items 11 and 12 um to before citizens input. Seconded by Rick. Roll call. Yeah. Connie Soul. Yes. Rick Mans.

Sorry. Rick. Rick Mancini. Yes. Joyce.

Yes. Uh and Jason Bushardi. Yes. Okay.

Um so let's see. So technically now item number three is the VFW Post 486. A request for a letter of support uh for Emergency Community Preservation Act uh application to support a new roof. This is in the Granite Mills complex. Um, do we have representation for Yeah, you can come up. Come on up.

Um, and if you wouldn't mind uh stating your name and your address, please.

Uh, Ronald Paul Trip, 566 New Boston Road.

Was that 566? Yes, thank you.

James Gonzalez uh 425 Purchase Street in Bedford, Mass. Thank you. Um so we received the um application or the uh your letter um uh regarding the need for CPA grant funds for the repair or the replacement of the roof at the BFW hall. Um can you give us a little information and we have the photos too. Thank you. Um those were sent to us from uh Jason community.

Thank you very much. Um and can you uh explain the work and timeline and Well, we we started raising money last year.

Um we have patched and patched and patched. We have three different roofs.

We have a front level, a tall level in the middle, and then it drops back down in the back. So, tall level has been rubberized. The back side has been rubberized. The front is um still asphalt. Uh no stone, just asphalt. Um half of it's wood. Uh the other front half, the addition in the 70s or late 60s, uh is holocore cement. Um, it the roof leaks. It even goes through the hollow

core cement grooves like where the two things meet. There's a drip line.

Someone says, "How come you don't replace those ceiling tiles?" I'm like, "Why?" He says, "It's where the bucket goes." You know, we'd be buying a case uh every other month.

Um, some years it's fine, other years it's worse. Um, it is embarrassing to be renting the hall and moving the bucket over here slightly and you know, you guys serve the food over there because it's leaking here. Um, we've done the best. Um, we've had a lot of volunteering doing the rubber roofing and whatnot. Um, and it's just time just to do it right, get somebody else to do

it. Um, and go from front to back. Uh we had a quote a year and a half ago just to do the front at $54,000. Um they wanted $28,000 down and then 28,000 and the completion and it's all going to be TPO which is the better roofing system now. And it's all they say welded. I know it's not with a torch but you know um that's what we need because the water just goes everywhere.

I mean everybody understands how the water travels. Um, we got a drip over here and it was actually coming down one of the parapit walls. Okay, so we've done our best. So, um, I got permission from the post to start doing, uh, fundraising and that's what we've been doing right along. Um, it was on the, uh, forever. You have to, where'd you find it, Jason? for over experience forever experience uh on Facebook and

all that and Jason was a former member he saw it he came to us and said how come you haven't gone to the CPA I says well someone from our group did they said they don't do flat roofs and um I said so it got dropped there so we've been doing whatever we can um he says no no no no your your building's listed under historical It's listed here. It's list, you know what I mean?

They should be able to help you with something. So, um, we haven't been sitting on our hands. We have been raised, as you see through the letter, $34,000. We have that tucked away. Um, and, uh, we just had a new person come take a look at the roof yesterday. And he says, "Is that 62,000 just for material or is that just for labor?" I says, "No, that's that's everything." He

says, "There's no way I can beat that price." Um, I was talking to uh Mr.

Sors, who's the contractor that gave us the bid a couple of weeks ago, uh, because I needed to find out a a payment plan for him. Mhm. Um someone had brought it to Home Depot um in February and we just got the the um notice from them uh the beginning of May, maybe the last of April that they cannot do a group. They were going to um try to get a whole district of Home

Depot to chip in and provide it. Um found out that they don't carry TPO. Um, which I I know I saw on the website that they didn't have it, but someone else said, "Oh, yeah, they can get it from such and such. They got connections and all that." So, when I when I talked to the manager, he said, "No." He says, "Harvey's our competitor, so we're not going to be buying from them to help,

you know." So, they tried. They said, "Any other project that's under $5,000, come see us. You know, Somerset will take care of you." So, um, that's where we are, you know. So I I he said come on you got to go to this meeting to get a certificate and then you can pro proceed to the CPA. So whatever help we can get you know would be greatly appreciated as um you see in the letter

Thank you. Um Okay. Uh so I I guess what I'm hearing is you are fundraising at this point.

Yes. And now was Home Depot uh acknowledging that they would give you one of the other more less costly rubber roofs materials or uh they did not say anything pursue that. So rather than getting a 30-year membrane, maybe they could supply a 20 or 25 year. Um, they didn't mention it. Okay. They didn't mention it, but it sounds like they only cover like up to 5,000 anyways, right?

Per store. That's why they were trying to Yeah. So it wouldn't be a whole lot.

Be 5,000. Yep. Well, per store.

It's per store. Oh, it is per store.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were trying avenue for you to approach. Uh it's it's a it's a possibility, but you know, we really want to get it done and get it done once and for all. It's it's tiresome that you know, you go in the past 6 months without a problem and then all of a sudden what you thought was fixed is starting to leak again. Um and then the only thing that I'm aware of

when I contacted um Mr. s the contractor. Um I says, "I need a a payment breakdown so we can see what what we need when we need it and everything else like that." And he says, "Well, TPO is going to go be going up. I I He doesn't know." He didn't know the percentage. He says, "Do you want me to order it now?" I says, "No, no, no, no."

I says, "I don't want you to get screwed." You know what I mean? and I don't want a bad reputation for the VFW by telling him go ahead and we still only had the 34 and he's going to have to sit on this stuff for until we get the rest. I says we're we're uh he provided a whole detailed list of what was needed. That's what we'd given Home Depot uh to see what they could do.

Um so 62 is what it was as of last year.

Depending on the cost of material went up, I'm sure it's going to go up a few thousand. Okay. No, I I'm trying to follow you. Would that be for the all three roofs, everything front to back?

Like I say, somebody else came and said, he says, "No, I can't meet that." I says, "Well, I still need a bid, whatever your bid is and everything else." So, he said that uh the second contractor, and I I'm sorry, his name slips my mind. Uh one of our auxiliary ladies um put me in phone contact with him. He came by, he took a look. He says, "I I'll give you a quote on bare

minimum that's got to be done and I'll give you a quote on, you know, everything from front to back."

Okay. Well, uh, you know, I'm a veteran myself. I'm the only one on the board that is and and that's okay. And so I understand, but we I'm trying to make a decision on you try not to put emotions into what we're doing. We try and work on fact.

and I can understand and I I think I've got a good a better understanding. Um uh I would make a motion, but what I would do is I would make the motion also that we when we write the letter of support that we eliminate the words emergency or immediate. uh this doesn't sound like it's an emergency to inform the CPC that this is an emergency because in in my opinion,

this is just me speaking, uh it's been leaking for a number of years and it doesn't look like you're quite ready at this point. So, uh, the CPC takes the request in September and there they would allocate the funding if it was approved in January. So, you you could still get it in there. So, my my recommendation would be to put a letter together without the uh words emergency or immediate. What is what is the

what is the the timeline otherwise? So if applications are being received in September in September and then they're reviewed uh and then uh the decisions are made uh roughly in January at this point. The schedule's been rearranged.

When is funding released? It's released as soon as the city council approves it and they So, normally by February at this point, the funding will be allocated. So, so why um what's the advantage of taking emergency away from it? like why why wouldn't they be able to go before because I know it's been leaking for a while but I mean it's just continuously damaging and now we're talking about going into a good part of

the winter before any any monies are released you know then then I'll I'll withdraw my motion I I I just don't feel this is my own personal opinion that we should send something Exactly. To that we should send something to the CPC saying that we think it's an emergency.

So well our letter is not deeming it emergency is it or is it we can we can word it so it it doesn't say because ultimately they will go be they will apply with CPC and make the request for emergency funding that they will have with with their in their possession. a letter of support from us. Right. So the application for CPC is for emergency funding and our letter is supporting

them. Correct. Right. So I think we should move on the support and let the CPC I know decide whe decide whether it's an emergency or not. Right. Yeah.

He sits on the CPC. Okay. Yeah. So that's I think what you're thinking that you're thinking in advance like you're thinking ahead but at that point that discussion could be done right in front of the CBC any of those. Exactly. I just I just don't feel that we as a historic commission should be calling it an emergency and and sitting with that.

That's understandable. You know definitely in support. I I the building is should be maintained. That building has a lot of heritage to it. Uh the mill complex that it's situated in has has a lot of history. So I'm 100% in favor.

What I feel a little reluctant on is the fact that we send it as an emergency or immediate need. You know, other than that agree understandable. And what's funny is um side note just cleaning out my mother's attic and I found a picture of my grandfather my father's father Nelson Trip and on the back of it it says Nelson Trip Granite Mill 3. I had no idea that he worked in that complex until about four

months ago.

Interesting.

So, it means a lot to me, the VFW um of the past member and current bar manager and um they have my full support. Um I can word the letter so that um being that it is a roof that the next funding round will not be until after the new year, well into the winter, that um you know, if this should go before the the CPC, which it will, but um that it's

uh considered with bit of urgency instead of emergency. Well, because I mean if they're going to spend money like doing these patches cuz clearly it's still dripping, right?

So instead of spending money that they've raised like patching that's the reason why I'm thinking instead of delaying it longer and water infiltration does I don't know numbers on I mean you know the board better but you can talk about it at the CPC.

I will. Okay. No, I I it's a yes vote to send a letter of support by all means. I will vote yes. I will not vote yes if we put the words emergency or those things. Then then it's we can leave it to the CPC's discretion. Exactly. Exactly. I think that's the better place. Okay. We want we want the building to remain. We want I can live with that. to maintain it,

the historic value. Uh I I think that building should stay there for the next hundred years or more. I I'm in total agreement. It's I I'm just concerned with the referencing immediate or emergency or those terms. If you feel that it's an emergency, you can still go before the CPC board and ask to get an emergency meeting on that. You still have that privilege. I I just don't feel that at

least myself on the historic commission or historical commission should be in that in favor of that proposal.

Okay. Your honesty is well appreciated.

Thank you.

Okay. So on that motion, I'll I'll second it. So all right. So, I have a motion by Rick for a letter of support uh for Community Preservation Act application. We're removing the language of emergency seconded by Connie. When is your meeting? Uh our next meeting is on the It's the three the third week on a Tuesday. Whatever that I have time.

Okay. Of April. Of April. June. June. So, I have a motion by Rick, seconded by Connie. Um, roll call. Connie, might be the 20th. Rick, yes. Joyce, yes. Jason Bushard Rocky, yes. All right. Sorry for the interruption. I will uh I'll look up when your next meeting is and I'll have the letter. Um, who should I email it to? Sandy. Sandy. Okay.

But he should have a copy. Yes. The third Tuesday in June is the 17th. All right. That's when That's when the next Did you want to come? Lots of next. So, it'll be the 16th should be our meeting for the CPC.

All right. I'll I'll look it up. Um so, I'll I'll email um uh Jason Kennedy and Sandy on the email so they have the copies.

I would advise that you just call the CPC office right up here in the city hall and Sandy will definitely get back to you, get you on the agenda because you are required to get on the agenda and she'll uh inform you of what you need for documentation and all of those necessary things. Okay? And she'll advise you as to whether you should come to our next meeting or just supply the materials in

September. Mhm. Okay. So that that's that would be the best route for you.

Sandy Dennis, right? Sandy Dennis. Yes.

Okay. I'll have the letter to you before the end of the week. So at least then you have that and you can Absolutely.

All right. Thank you for your time. Oh, thank you very much. Good luck. Yeah.

Have a good weekend. We'll try.

All right. All right.

Um thank you.

So we're moving on to what uh former number 12. Now item four. Um this is the Fall River Deaconist Home. A request for a letter of support for community preservation act grant funding regarding 603 Rock Street. Um this is the George Ballard House in the Highlands local historic district. Hello. Hi. Good evening. Good evening. And uh if you can state your name and your address. Yes.

Held Monise. I work for the forever deaconist home and the address is 603. Sorry, my watch is talking. 603 Rock Street.

All right. Thank you. And can you um I didn't um receive an application, but that's okay. Um because um we can ask questions, but um Sure. Can you um describe the nature of the work that's going to be done and costs and timeline and Yes. So, we're not in a rush to complete the work. Thankfully, we already have done some work on that site. We replaced the red cedar sh I

always have a hard time saying it. Red cedar shingles in the back of the house.

We've put a new roof. But we have five uh properties in that community. Three are part of the historical district. And of the sites we one of our sites had to replace all the windows. We recently painted one of the houses, replace that roof. So, we're really looking for some support to paint the house on the corner of Rock and Prospect and do some repairs to the porch. It's a rounded porch on uh

the corner that's um it's on the Rock Street side, but right on the corner. Um so, the quotes that we've received for the painting um is about 45,000. We're waiting on some quoting probably 15 to 20,000. and then looking at um it'll be in a year from now. So, probably overall between 65 to 70,000. Um the home is prepared to try to pay the difference. Um but again, because we've done so much work on the

other properties, we really have tried to sustain them. Um we're just asking for some support to repaint the building. The side that's in the driveway is probably the worst, but again, it's not no water damage. There's nothing that we couldn't wait till next spring if we were awarded the grant or next summer. South I think, right? The driveway side that faces south. It does.

Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um, so it was 45,000 for the paint and then the porch was I'm estimating about 15 to 20,000.

Again, the cost of materials continue to go up.

that was for paint and repairing the porch or Yes, for we're going to paint the whole building and then um repair and paint the porch as well. Okay.

Um, are you working with an architect on the porch repairs? Like if things have to get rebuilt or replaced or We're just planning on replacing exactly the same design and so building having a carpenter be able to with the person we've spoke to is person who does our roof that has done several roofs also has carpenters. Okay. And they have the shortest. They can do keep the same style, same design. We want it to look

exactly the same, but just repair any rotted wood or anything that has to be We don't use the porch. We don't even have But again, we want it to be aesthetically look exactly the way it is. Um, are you going to change any of that to composits? We weren't planning on doing any of that. I didn't think we actually could. Uh, yeah. What some wood elements? So, we have um and uh it was

mailed a while ago. at 20, let's see, May or June of 2023, we did mail out design guidelines to property owners in the 40C district.

Um, so there is a whole section uh regarding um like wood elements like porch posts and ballast routes and um and in some paintable materials.

Paintable materials. Yes, I do have a copy because we used it for the windows.

I was like, okay, we have to make sure we followed that. So, I will pull that out and take a look. And Steve, our our maintenance supervisor, is still there, so he'll he'll he knows his stuff. So, he oversees the projects, too, and has been working on our property. You guys like repaired the side porch, and you did a good job. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I think uh there was a property, was it on

High Street that had was it 528 High Street? Did they use composite on on any I don't know. Uh no, they they ended up doing wood. Never mind. They were looking at doing composite for the the molding on the the house, but they ended up using wood. Um Okay. Yeah. The the composits in in not all cases, but in many cases are less expensive. Yeah.

And they have a longer life.

Yeah. If we can use it, we'll definitely go through and I'll talk to the uh carpenter and they'll again, they'll work with whatever. We just wanted to make sure as long as it's paintable. Um Yes. Yeah. Um, and then so regarding the paint, um, this is a it's a random question, but so because the house is a Gambrell, um, has a gamrell roof. It's a it's a colonial revival. Um, and and so

the the the roof with the multiple multiple angles, that's called a gamrell. On the lower slope of the Gambrell, it's painted. Is that being repainted, too, or is that going to get replaced with additional wood? I not wood, uh, roofing material instead.

We're going to paint. You just replaced those that's on the back of the house.

The uh it's I'm looking this is I'm it's on the I'm looking at a photo. This is from the state commission. Um it's the corner. So it would be um so it's this lower on the second floor how the wall slopes out. Okay. Um so it's painted and I I'm only wondering just because typically on colonial revival like that that's usually not painted. was just left as roof material.

Um, but I wasn't sure if that was in part of the whole No, it's currently not roof material. No, we were just going to paint it to look exactly same color. We we like for especially for our families recognizable and sure, you know, and and we're fond of the color and so we're going to keep it this pretty much exactly the same. I Conniey's across the street looking at it so we won't make it

hot pink or anything. So, um, now I only ask just, um, because, uh, that if you have the opport if you do need to replace any of those wood shingles because they're are they are on an angle. Um, that would be a good time to replace good time to replace with whatever the material. I'm assuming it's architectural asphalt that you used on the roof. Um, to replace it with the architectural asphalt. Um, the same

material going down. Um, and that kind of it helps define the roof. Um but just architecturally that's very common on um this style of house. Um this the firm that built this house that designed it uh Angel and Swift from Providence. This is like their um the style that they sold most designs of I guess between here and Providence. Um so there's so many different examples in the Highlands and

also in Providence over on the east side that kind of have that you know. Yeah.

That roof. Um I have I apologize. No. Go ahead. So, when we submit the application for September, we could have all of those quotes cuz I'd like to bring them back in and have those conversations around the porch and the materials as well as the possibility getting more than one quote. We're going to get three quotes ideally. We had tried getting quotes for the windows and we could only get one. We're struggling

getting quotes, which we've gotten the windows, everything's all set, but we find that some contractors come out and are saying, "Well, unless you guarantee me the job." Michael, I can't guarantee you the job without the quote because we also have to consider the cost. So, but we've already gotten two quotes. Yeah.

And um is there and and did I miss that you're going to return here when you get that so we can sort of look at it? Is that it? Would I do that or could I submit the pay or I figured I thought we submit everything with the application, the quotes and everything else. All right. Well, that'll go to CPC. CPC.

Yes. Yeah. So, I was just wondering if you would if you were going to supply any of that so we could just sort of review it, make sure that you know the composits and things of that nature.

Yeah. If there's any if there's a any any material that's getting replaced, we'll need to review. Um, and that's just standard procedure for the 40C. So, um, but if it's if it's general maintenance, then we don't review anything regarding general maintenance.

But if items are getting replaced um so the porch if we do the composite versus keeping wood then I would come back next month. Okay. Yeah. Um or once you get your quotes too like once you have like details. Okay. Yeah. Um and we could uh I mean if it's we have done in the past where if it's replacement in kind and we don't need to review it can be just sent to

you and right and we have we have issu or yeah we have issued a certificate of nonapplicability in cases of cases like that just so all the ducks are in a row and city hall when you go to get your permit um because they'll need a letter from the historical commission anyways whether it's a certificate of appropriateness or certificate of nonapplicability. Um that was like what did I struggle with? Um so um just so

they have that because they'll need all of that.

Um and but we uh on the commission we I mean we can we obviously we can approve a letter uh of support for CPA funding for paint and portrait repairs. Um, when it comes time for the paint though, like we we don't review paint uh on the commission. Like we can't issue any certificate. You could do hot pink, but I wouldn't.

Can you imagine?

Jet black or something.

Um, so okay. Um, and then you said this is about a year out, right? Because we're hoping to get some funding. Yeah.

Okay. Sometime asking neighbors about contractors helps too like so that you can get some names. Okay.

So we can't give you any names, but I can go across the street and ask the neighbor outside of the meeting. Thank you. Yeah. Um the school department's doing work right now on their admin building. Um so Oh, yeah. That's not far from us. And they have CPA funding uh for that. Um is Kenny Pacico still with them? Um but No, never mind. Um, so if you contact the school department, I'll give them a

call. Yeah. Um, the school department because they Yeah, they're actively working on that house now. And they're not in the 40C, but they have CPA funding, right? Yeah. And that would be Kenneth Pico. Oh, well that's for the school department. For school. Oh, for the school department. Yeah, the school department. Yeah. Thought you were saying something else. No, not a contract. I don't know. I No. Um, good.

But um all the work has to be essentially done in in accordance with the secretary of the interior standards.

Um so the school department's doing that. Um that's the one local example I could think of, right?

Um I can't think of any other and if you contact the preservation society, they can give you names and references. Okay, great. Yeah, you can just email them at psfall river umgmail.com. That's third resource. Mhm.

Um All right. So, thank you. So, this is for September, your application, but I'll have the letter out before then.

Okay. All right. You want me to make the motion?

I'll make a motion that we support your project and get a letter of appropriateness out there for you.

Great. I second that motion. All right.

I have a motion by Rick, seconded by Connie for a letter of support for the Deaconist Home. Um, roll call. Uh, Connie, yes. Rick, yes. Joyce, yes. And Jason Bushard and Rocky, yes. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay.

Enjoy your the rest of your evening.

Thank you. You as well. Have a good holiday weekend. Oh, yes. You as well.

Um, if I can get a motion to move um the items back in order. Well, I was going to motion 10. Okay, we can. Um, actually, let's do if I can get a motion to u move citizens input back in place.

Okay. Um, I'll make a motion to put citizens input back in order.

So, that becomes number four, right?

Yeah. Um, well, I mean, it's a I'm confused.

Whatever. I think if we just go down the line because the four through uh four through nine will be verified. Uh, yeah.

Yeah. All right. So, if we get if I can get a motion to move the items back in order. Um, starting with citizens input to proceed. Okay. I'll make a motion to move all items back in order. Starting with citizens input.

I'll second that motion. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Motion by Connie, seconded by Rick to move everything back in order. Uh, from citizens input down through item number 10. Um, we'll call Connie. Yes. Rick, yes. Joyce, yes. And Jason, yes. All right. Um, for citizens input, do we have any? Yes.

Good evening. Good evening, commissioners. Hi.

I am Aaron Liry. This is my husband, Jason Camoniti. We are homeowners and proponents of the Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 40C local historic districts. However, we've just discovered that and without proper stakeholder notification that roughly 30,000 square ft from 550 570 Rock Street within the district was transferred to the owners of 492 Rock Street, which is outside of the

district. The transfer was officially recorded via a quick claim deed on September 25th, 2020 at the Fall River Registry of Deeds along with a license agreement granting Allen J. Ramsey and Maria P. Rumsey a right of first refusal to purchase 550 and 570 Rock Street. The boundary changes appear in the Fall River Geographic Information System online. Pursuant to MGL chapter 40C section 3, any reduction to the district

boundaries require requires historical commission, historic district commission uh investigation, report and hearing.

And if the district is to be reduced, written notice of the commission's hearing on the proposal shall be given to said owners of each property in the district. That would be roughly 47 homes. pursuant uh sorry as as landlocked 40C homeowners uh fully surrounded by the 40C district. It's inequitable to allow land removal from 550 Rock Street when others cannot do the same. We ask that the commission to

consider referring this matter to the city council after their own evaluation and to evaluate redrawing the official 40C district map to include 492 Rock Street per Massachusetts general laws chapter 4C section section 3. And uh we'd also ask that the historical the the state Massachusetts historical commission review for compliance uh as it requires a certificate of appropriateness or non-applicability and

public notification of a butters for any alterations to the 40C properties. Thank you. Um and Erin and Jason, may I have your address, please?

Oh, I'm sorry. 544 High Street. 544 High Street. The Maria Rodman Hicks House, 1899. Thank you. Thank you. Cloud homeowners.

Sorry.

Um, thank you very much.

Um can we briefly discuss or so? Okay. Um, I can so I this was before so 2020 was before the historic historical commission and the historic district commission had merged. Um, and I was on the historic district commission, uh, at the time.

Actually, uh, Rick and Connie were on the historic district commission, uh, the three of us. Yeah. Um, and that was not brought up. Um, made aware to our No. And I was also on the So, we were on the historic commission. Yes. But we were also on the local historic. You were on the historical commission. The LHD. You were on the historical commission. I was only on the historic district commission at

the time. I didn't Oh, but we were also on the three of us were on. So, and at that and there in 2020 there were only four members of the historic district commission. Um and there was no mention of that ever um being brought to our attention that the the boundary lines were changing. Um, so, um, that and I can see how that could have happened because the current 40C is not

set up as a zoning overlay like most other communities have it.

Um, and often times we will have applicants coming in who have just purchased a house in the 40C and they had no idea that they purchased a house in a local historic district because it doesn't show up on the any uh property property uh card um the tax uh office etc. Um it's not a zoning overlay. So uh fortunately it hasn't happened all too often um because there are only 47 48

houses in the or properties in the 40C.

Um, but it's something that we have to look at as we are working to expand the district and that could be a lot for the building department to keep track of.

Um, and so, um, we can, uh, for our June meeting, I can add it to the agenda, uh, because we can't vote on that tonight, but I can add it to the agenda for our June meeting that we review the, um, uh, the material for, uh, on the state uh, for the state ordinance for 40C. Um, and then we'll have because we we can then formalize it to make a vote to uh

request city council to evaluate um and we can reach out to the mass historical commission for guidance. Um because likely if we were not in involved or informed they were not informed at the state level. Um, and usually we have uh because we're a certified local government, our uh requests have been pretty fast, which is good. Um, or not requests, but our uh inquiries have been

returned pretty quickly to us, which is good. Um, so does that make sense? Yeah.

To sure. Okay. Y um, yes. I was just going to add that hopefully you'll return with as many others interested parties also to join the discussion if it's not officially on the agenda. So we have to be very cautious tonight how we discuss this matter and how much depth we get into. Um but it will as Jason just said and at that point all are welcomed to to join the discussion. Yeah, I appreciate that. Um,

and certainly we had just found out about this. So, and the fact that we weren't given the requisite notice under the law. I assume the other 46 neighbors weren't given the requisite notice either. So, we will we will let them know. Um, yes. And and get support.

We're invested. You know, we we want our homes to to maintain as they are in that 40C district. So, um yeah, say I have been left off a bud list before. What's that again? I have been left off a bud list in the city before. So, okay. But I don't think this one happened.

Like I said, we didn't receive any notice on that in 2020. I'm a director of butter and I didn't receive notification.

Right. Right. Sure. Um and um I do know that uh uh when I received your letter, I did look up the um just out of curiosity, uh because on a national for the national registered district for the for the Highlands, any national registered district on the state database um the you know the area form that's created for these districts um lists uh very specifically how many you know rods to a corner to form a corner

of any boundary district. Um, but it's missing on for the Highlands 40C, it's missing on the MA on the the state database. It's called Macros. Um, that area form is not listed. So, um, I'm going have to figure out how to get a copy of that. But anyways, um, so because I'm curious what the area form says in terms of the boundary lines and um, for 550, 570. Well, for the whole

district because they they do the boundary for the whole district of um Mhm. uh that's what would dictate their map. Um so but between now and our meeting in June, we'll do our due diligence to get uh information from the state. Um but uh we can put it on the agenda uh so we can make a make a request to city council at that point.

Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Um I just want to say one thing. I sent this to you an email. Um I believe that the official map is in the 2014-24. It is.

Um and it's tiny u by approach. Yes. Um I have a couple of these maps. These are not official maps. I don't know where they came from. I think uh it came from preservation society. Yeah. But um this I believe is the official map. So Oh, thank you.

But I I don't think that's the official one, but I think the official one is just really hard to read. You can tell in there that it's in the district. It's hard. Yeah, this is this is from the 2014-24.

Um I need a motion, right, to accept the material. I'll make a motion to accept the material. Um then we can put it under Okay, and I'll second that motion.

All right, and Rick to accept the material. It's the maps uh from 2014 uh December 23rd, 2014 approved on January 22nd, 2015. And then this Yes. And then this map uh which appears to be from the um the GIS site. Yeah. I don't know where that came from. I think um the preservation slide you must have come. Okay.

All right. So I don't have a um so motion by Connie and and this one was this was done afterwards to cl so that it you could see it easier the house numbers and stuff. Uh uh Connie Soul.

Yes. Rick. Yes. Joyce. Yes. And Jason Bashard. Yes. To accept the material.

Thank you. Um see that um so funny as we expand the district that's one thing that uh we have requested. So um with the preservation society they are working with um public archaeological laboratory in Pucket. Um they have a a consultant working with the preservation society uh to do the um basically doing the field surveys, the formbs that are necessary for um providing that information over

to the state and they will be also forming an uh creating the area form which will include a new map uh which and that um once it's presented to city council uh if approved um all that documentation that updated map then becomes part of part of the ordinance.

Um, which will be handy because that Yeah, that map is very difficult to read.

Um, so, okay, thank you. Um, oh, sorry.

Oh, no, that's okay. I was looking at it like wondering who the mayor was who had approved it. Thank you. Ser. Yeah, the brief moment. Um also uh you can uh we're gonna go right through the next few items. You want to stay right there because you're at item number 10. Um thank you. So um notice of of intent. Uh so now we're going back on to the

um 537. 537. So this is going to be item number three is now item number uh let's see five. Yeah. Five. All right. um 537 uh QuickSish Street, notice of an intent to demolish the brick office building. Um I received that on May uh 1st, 2025. Um I uh emailed Carrie uh Aash in the licensing um department that it is listed as a contributing resource um as part of the Arkrite Arkrite Mills in the

Quesishan Valley Mills National Register District. Um so therefore that um initiated the six-month demolition delay uh which is set to expire November 1st, 2025. Um I have not received any correspondence from the property owners since. Um but I emailed her immediately on that. Um I believe the proposal was to demolish the brick office building and leave the foundation for an unknown reason.

Um all right. So item former item four now six uh 386 High Street uh received a correspondence April 28th 20125 regarding replacing the exterior doors.

Um it's in the National Highlands National Registered District. There are no design regulations on that. Um I did as you have in your materials I did tell Carrie that uh even if it was in the 40C the exterior storm doors and storm windows are out of the purview of the historic historical commission. Um item former item 5. Now item 7 is 401 Winter Street. I received a inquiry April 23rd, 2025 regarding uh

replacing the windows. Um it is in the Highlands National Register District outside of the 40C.

Do I need to slow down? No. Okay. Um former item six now item eight. Uh 1001 Pleasant Street. um received on April 23rd, 2025 regarding um it was an inquiry regarding the historical status of the property. U believe this Bank of America at the entrance to uh Flint Village. I informed Carrie that there is no historical notations on the building.

Um former item seven, now item 9, 86 Street, uh received April 8th, 2025, um regarding replacing two windows. Um there's a notice or an email from the contractor. Um the property, interestingly enough, was surveyed um and is listed on the uh inventory of the Massachusetts Historical Commission, but it is not within an historic district. Um so there are no design regulations there. Um, I believe there

is a proposed expansion or a creation of a national registered district in I think that's Bowenville or Mechanicsville and that in that neighborhood and that never came to fruition.

Um, former item 8 now 10 218 Lincoln uh that says Lincoln Street. I think it's Lincoln Avenue. Mhm.

Um mistake. Um received May 8th, 2025 regarding replacing all windows on the property. Um, this is in the Highlands National Register District. I informed Kerry that it is outside the 40C.

I was just going to have has any conversations been uh I guess engaged in with these owners or at least the guidelines shared with any of them.

Exactly. To to stay with some of the windows. Sometimes it's, you know, as we know it's less these are pretty significant properties that you're referring to. Yeah. Um, I can ask Carrie. I can forward a copy over ask.

They're not The thing is they're not in the 40C. No, but I mean anyone who has a historic home can use it as a guideline on what would look appropriate in the home. Um, and and I wouldn't mind getting a few of the handout the the guidelines and maybe meeting personally handing the guidelines and speaking to the homeowners quickly. That's an idea, too.

You know, maybe that one- on-one. Yes.

And and again, we know from experience and we know that well your yourself that repairing these windows quite often is less expensive than replacing it with plastic and the windows been there for 100 years and we know the plastic's not going to last that long. So you repair it, you get another hundred years out of it, you know. So, uh, I wouldn't if the board agrees and and votes positively on that,

I'll get the guidelines and hand carry them to these respective owners. I don't know if it's too late at this point, but as they come up, we could, if we wanted to use this framework, I I wouldn't mind doing that.

And they're on the proposed expansion, too, right? 218 is in the target area along with well 386 is uh 386 High Street is uh exterior door so that's out of our purview anyways 401 Winter they I think I I think they are I'm not sure but we did not but I mean I just think like any historic home if if the if they don't replace them with the right windows it just changes I mean windows

are a big deal in a home and 218 Lincoln Avenue is the eyes in particular that the eyes of the home Yeah. Yeah. And 218 Lincoln Avenue. Um that's the Arnold Sanford House on the corner of Is it Lincoln? No, it's Lincoln and High. They may be interested because they were one of the founding members of the preservation society. Okay. If that's okay. All right. I don't know what the material is with. That's just it. So,

um I can ask Carrie to send a copy over if they would like and maybe a contact to the historical commission. Um I can do that just so it doesn't seem like we're knocking on the door and harassing. So, okay. Okay. I can ask her to do that. All right. Thank you.

Um um we have copies.

Um former item 9 now 11 101 Rock Street Women's Union Building. Um, so I received a a inquiry on May 13th uh regarding the addition of a modern elevator to the structure. It's uh it's in the Lower Highlands National Register District. I did ask Carrie um if they are if they have applied for grant funding anywhere, if she knew. Um so I received an email from their vice president of operations,

um Joe Tomichek, I think his name is. Uh he this is all new. uh in recent they don't have too much plan uh too much um gathered yet in terms of information. Um the building they did receive a quote from Otis to replace the elevator in within the building and that quote was well over a million to replace the elevator. Um so they're looking to possibly instead of that retain that old

elevator and just decommission it and add one to the structure. I don't know where they would add it to the structure. Um, it's a corner lot. It's a significant building architecturally in the lower highlands. Um, so I did uh forward over to him u because the building it's a nonprofit um that they uh elevators are are allowed right in for CPC. I mean the narrows actually put a they are okay an elev interior

elevator from so I did tell they hydraulic is it a hydraulic I don't have that information cuz that would make a difference if it's hydraulic there'll probably not be a building on top of the building whereas if you put a cable elevator then you probably well I guess you can work around that too with the down but that's a that's a another situation where you've got the flat roof so the um because

I I had only intervened in this case because it um so Fall River Family Services uh owns the building. So, they are nonprofit, but um because it's on the corner, the only real area that I could see an elevator going is on that side where the parking lot is with a row of arched windows. So, I my concern is is that it would not be in um it would fall outside of the um Secretary of the

Interior standards with that type of work. So if they were to go through CPA um at least then they can work within the building or total distance 1 mile total time 1 hour 38 minutes and 28 seconds burn 258 calories split eight not moving sorry about that.

Um so uh right because they're a nonpr and that would be at least maintaining the historic nature the um character of the building and um so the uh it sounds like they're at square one with this.

They only have a quote from Otis. So they're exploring their options. So I believe they will be contacting Sandy.

Okay. Okay. Yep. Um All right. Um and now former item 10 now item 12. I received a correspondence a letter um dated May 12th, 2025 um from Aaron and Jason or no from I'm sorry for from Jason Kennedy. Um regarding 550 to 570 Rock Street. Um this is regarding the zoning board of appeals notice for May 15th uh 2025 meeting with the conversion of the property into a 15-unit apartment development. This is in the Highlands

local historic district.

Um, would you like me to read the letter? Would you like I don't have it.

I didn't. Okay, I can read it. Um, all right. Um, the letters David dated um May 12th, 2025. Um, dear members of the zoning board of appeals. Um, subject is to deny the variance for the 15 unit apartment complex at 550 to 570 Rock Street. I am a home owner homeowner at 544 High Street in the Highlands Historic District where I've lived for 11 years committed to preserving Fall River's Heritage. While I recognize Fall

River's housing needs and support uh and support compliant development, I oppose the zoning variance and special permit requested by Rockview LLC to convert the historic property at 550 to 570 Rock Street uh map 0-02 lot 16 and 17 into a 15un apartment complex which violates zoning and historic standards. Reasons to deny the variance. No valid hardship.

Rockview LLC fails to show hearts uh hardship soil shape topograph uh topography from deviating from the R4 zoning which allows only single or two family homes violating MGL chapter 4A section 10 uh zoning violation. The 15 unit complex exceeds R4 limits clashing with the Highlands Historic District and the master plan's neighborhood stability goal. Um, page three, and recognition of the Highlands historic districts

historic significance by encouraging the creation of local historic districts.

Page seven. Um, threat to historic integrity. The Highlands MGL4C local historic district since 2016 includes 550 Rock Street, a historic building constructed in 1865, and 570 Rock Street, constructed in 1863.

Under 40C section 10, any exterior alterations require a certificate of appropriateness from the historical commission. The master plan's inclusion of the Highlands historic 4C district designation on page 10 mandates protecting its historic architecture which is pro uh which is which this project risks violating. Uh traffic and parking strain. The 15 unit complex would increase traffic and parking

strain requiring a traffic study. This study needs to be uh needs to consider the impact of this development and the other activity in the area. This includes directly across the street at 551 Rock Street used previously as an orthodontist office in question now and a school to the north. Conclusion, I support small development that balances, sorry, smart development uh that balances growth with preservation as

shown in my uh documentary Pucket Rising uh from 2008 on PBS. I request the board deny the variance and refer to the historical comm commission. I will attend the May 15th, 2025 hearing and request elevation maps, drawings, uh and traffic data and to assist with any questions the board may have. Sincerely Jason Kennedy 544 High Street Paul River.

Um so what uh the meeting was last Thursday.

What was the outcome?

It was at the request of um Alan Ramsey who is Rock View LLC.

He requested that it be tabled until the next meeting in June because he's pro he's proposing 12 units instead of but there were no architectural renderings that pivoted during the meeting. There were no architectural renderings to support 12 at that time.

So they asked to come back. Um oh I would question though timing on that.

per their own rules, the applications have to be in by the 14th of that month for the next month's meeting. At that time, it was the 15th. The meeting was on the 15th. I would argue that for proper notice to everyone, probably arguing before they're on board at this point, but uh for proper notice for that meeting, it would have to be July to get in front of them, but no doubt they'll

take it in June. Okay. Um um Okay.

And we I mean any exterior changes would ultimately um pass the zoning board what if they approve um we normally wouldn't get involved until there's structural changes to the outside like if there's a fire escape or this is like I think the first significant change in the R4, you know, m making it um the the first significant change that's come that's happened to the 40C when it comes to a a specific structure, you

know, changing it from its current use to a 15 unit, which now they may be changing it to a 12 unit. I don't know. Okay. So, I'm not Sure.

I did watch as much as I could of the meeting. Um, painful. Did the ZBA request him to work with the neighbors?

Um, I I heard the chair say it might be a good time for that for him to to do that. But there's no there was no indic there's no uh requirement require well no requirement but was there any um encouragement to work with the historical commission was that brought up? I don't think so. They essentially said that it wasn't necessary until after the zoning was approved. But I do want to mention one thing that the um

they are putting in a very large parking lot which is going to change the the nature of it. So I don't see how they can approve that without the special permit. a special permit really needs to come before this board, I think. So, I looking at the so we the exclusions in the ordinance. Um, so, and it's one thing with the ordinance, then we have the design guidelines. Um, and we have the ability of adding things

to our our list of exclusions or things that we review there. It's a formal process. We do need to bring that up with uh basically city clerk city ordinance. Um but bas basically the ordinance driveways, walkways, pathways, that sort are in our list of exclusions.

Um but we do have and according to the guidelines, we do have the ability uh to require that to be screened. So in the case I'm thinking of uh I forget the address, there was a property on High Street that had a large electric meter, for example, uh that was placed onto the front of the house. The contractor didn't know it was in the 40C. Neither did the homeowners. They had just

purchased it. Um so we worked with the homeowners to relocate the uh electric meter. It was they it couldn't go onto the side of the house. So now it's on a stand on the front lawn, but it's below eye level of the fence that's in the front. There's a wooden fence. Um so that's you know we could also we had that uh we also had the opportunity to require landscaping to be put around it

but we also um we also um monitored the property on Prospect Street that had a wall and driveway put in. Yes. and um and the materials were changed because they came before us. So, initially they were going to do a wall of like that the highway walls, the big blocks of cement that they try to make look like granite. Okay. And so then that got changed to an actual stone

wall. And then the driveway was ended up being a pebbled Okay. driveway instead of just concrete. Okay. Or tar.

We do discourage from in the guidelines like uh stamped concrete. We do discourage that. Um but um so that in our list of in the list of exclusions in the ordinance you like driveways, walkways, but we can make the request that at least it gets screened. I do think that well also that has to go before would that have to go before conservation because of the amount of asphalt that's being put in. You're

adding to because of runoff and I believe that has to go to conservation because it's it's a it's a bump up with um what is it called?

Impervious right surface. Mhm.

Um, so I think that has to go before it, but um, that's my concern because I did see the the the site plan and I was concerned about how close that parking lot was to Rock Street.

Um, but and also if the number if the unit because I think initial was 15, if it goes down to 12, that might mean a little less parking per perhaps. No, they were they weren't the same amount.

The board was mentioning that too.

Okay. Um Okay. Um if I could, one other point that was concerning during the meeting and maybe a lack of knowledge around what the 40C district is. Um the uh proponent's attorney at one point said making the case for 15 said quote by right the developer could tear down these buildings and put up I believe it was four two family homes and if he wanted to just grant himself 10 more feet of

frontage um or 10 more feet he could have put up x number of homes. So I I challenged that point. Um another member of the the citizenry challenged that point. uh city engineer seemed to disagree with me. Um but I I think it's really an important point. He can't just tear that down and it's going to scare the homeowners. It's going to scare the 4C district homeowners. There's a there's a process for demolition. The

historical commission has the uh ability to to it. It's the only area of the city where we have the ability to deny um a demolition permit. There has to be just cause for that if the building's structurally unsound or um but uh we yeah if it's it was a scare tactic. I understand there's a process for it. It's just to and yeah yeah and that denial can get appealed to the

zoning board. Um that's the you know the that's the process really. Um unless and the other option the other method really is if the building was a public safety hazard. Um but at that point I mean the building has to be generally condemned by a building inspector for and they're not there is no there was no indication that they were they absolutely sound structurally sound. Right. So example being this uh

the one half of the Sylvia school that came down that was uh in the fire and then there was a smoke stack over at the Union Mills complex that had a large crack. Um, so those both came down um from the it was an emergency demo request from uh the director of inspectional services. Um, which that goes over from the ordinance that goes over our purview at that point. Um, might be an opportunity for education

for the zoning board. Um, just a refresher on 40C. Um, it's very protected neighborhood. So, yes. Yes.

Um, so we were not requested to provide a a an opinion or anything like that.

No, but um not as a member of this board, but I did speak with the with um Alan Ramsey and recommended that he come before the historic commission for guidance um information. You are you are the ab budding? Well, you are abudding, but you're also the representative of the um that the historical commission is required to have. Correct. Mhm. Um so okay. Um thank you. Thank you. So and

we'll thank you. It'll be interesting.

Thank you for your time. I was going to say the same thing. Thank you for researching this. Yes. And moving it forward. Thank you. A lot of work went into forming this over decades.

It's the vigilance of the uh property owners that make the difference. Thank you. And and we're in the process of expanding and one of the benefits of being in a 40C is protecting your investment, your home. And so the thought that it doesn't have any legs is what they're trying to say is kind of um disheartening to homeowners that this could be a double-edged sword for the 40C in that if we have enough of these

opponents in the district coming forward and saying no it it's really working well then that would assist us in expansion.

If this doesn't fit that well, this it it's like why bother having it? Exactly.

You can't save yourself from this. The open space there, the buildings that could be modified, but um also the neighborhood stability with 15 or 12 units is uh is way too much for the R4 zoning district. That's the whole point of the historical district. And that and um you know they one of the other things that they mentioned at the meeting was that what do you do these big houses you

know um and uh one of the houses right on the to the right of the Antioch which was people sold it just sold to a private home a private single family family. Oh nice. So it's it's been moved from 636 Rock. Yeah. Yeah. So, it happens. That just happened less than a year ago. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I mean, we all live in Oversight. Yeah. And that's that's a significantly big house. Yes.

Yeah. They're they're usable. Usable for one family. And yes. Yeah. Or two family. for another thing is they're talking about um changing the they're basically trying to cram as many people into these buildings as they can and they want to put multiple apartments into the um historic um car carriage house which I think could be reused as something else like a pool hall or a little center for the people there or it

could be used for storage but I don't think that it necessarily has to have people in it. I I don't see that as a as a When you say pool hall you mean like for the for them for them? Okay. Like whatever. I I just say pull home because I don't know what they would want but whatever they a recreation center for the people that live there and not just more that was actually mentioned by um

Maria Ramsey. Oh nice. And there is I mean uh thinking of u in some of the local historic districts I'm thinking of in Providence I I I know some of the districts over there fairly well and in the uh North Elmwood neighborhood um there's an old carriage house that was turned into I think two apartments. Um it's a lot larger than the one on Rock Street, but it was turned into two versus I don't

know how many units were going into the one on Rock Street. Um and then the main house is still I think it was proposed three carriages. Yeah. Yeah. And the main house in front of it Oh, yeah. The main house in front of it um is uh a two family, sorry, not a not a single. It's a a first the first and second floor is one unit and then an apartment on the

third floor. Um and it's it's a very compact neighborhood. Um, and we have examples of condos in the 40C. Um, uh, down on Rock Street. There's four in I can't forget the address. Um, and they were trying to put five in there and it was denied. Okay. Um, they were saying it was they had to have off- streetet parking for two vehicles for each apartment. I mean, each condo. They could have easily fit a fifth apartment

and it was denied.

Um, you know, the driveway is just it's just not capable of holding that many vehicles. I mean, it it it is a compact congested. Yeah, it's Yeah, it does not appear to be a compact neighborhood. It is a very busy compact neighborhood. Um, and it's a lot. So, Mhm. Yeah.

But no, we're um we're in the survey process for the 40C expansion um which we'll have uh I think I think they're we're receiving them up until they believe the end of June, but the consultant with the preservation society is working I believe starting soon to start her field survey work. So that uh it we sent out surveys to about 160ish properties uh which is a sizable increase of the of

the 48. Uh so we shall see but which we'll be talking about that in just a bit. So thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you. Have a good weekend. Thanks. Thank you.

Um let's see.

Uh I have nothing for register of significant structures um under old business. So this would be former item 13 and now this is number oh wait no this becomes 13 again cuz it's oh it's back in order. Never mind. So yeah so item 13 um under old business Steve Brookke file reserve form B update.

Okay. Uh yeah, actually uh the uh we received a call from from the the organization that's doing the the bio reserve and the steep brook and they're doing one really great job. But we've we've gotten all of the information sent to us. Is that PAL? It is PAL. Yep. And uh Michael Boxier is spending a lot of time researching his and he's doing the bio reserve. I'm I'm lucky. I got a few buildings in Steep

Brook. But um they're doing a great job.

They what they do is they want a little extra time. So the CPC has extended the funding. They have for one year. So the funding has been extended from June to June of 26. And then uh I actually spoke to the planning director and the uh engineer, city engineer uh because the original bids were sent out through those departments and uh I informed him that we would like to extend the the bid

the due date from June over the probably August or September and he found that not to be an issue. So, we're I'm going to suggest to PAL that we give them till the end of August and have this submitted beginning of September. That's going to give them an additional two months.

Uh and and they are truthfully digging into this. Oh, what a what a wonderful job. For the audience that's listening in, this is the bio reserve. Uh what's happening is that the bio reserve is the uh eastern part of Fall River. contains actually the greater portion of Fall River is on on that eastern portion and the uh uh there we're finding architectural uh and and historical events and and things we're up to 91 at

this point. So it's never been recorded in the history of Fall River. So it will now be officially recorded come September and uh actually logged in the registry of deeds. So, it'll be there for future generations. And we're doing the same thing with Steep Brook, which was where the original city of Fall River uh was formed. So, just the general public information. So, stay tuned. Thank you, Rick. And um I we did

receive um the material from Elaine uh Styles at Roger Williams from Roger Williams University. So, um I will um comb through that. I'm going to upload or uh work with it to create on the historical commissions page. Um there's a projects tab. I need to figure out how it's going to look, but um all that information will live there uh for the student presentation and the forms.

Um but ultimately all those form B's too will end up uh being uh submitted to the state commission. So that'll be available on MACIS. Okay. Yep. Good.

Excellent. Um, anything else for 13? Um, item 14, Highlands Local Historic District Expansion Update. Um, so I met with Alex Silva from the Preservation Society and um, Elizabeth Warpton from Public Archaeological Laboratory and and I can't remember her name unfortunately.

Um, but Elizabeth is primarily heading up um the survey work and um I believe the preservation society will be issuing a letter to the property owners um in I don't know if it's the whole target area that wasn't quite established uh or a a defined um more target area uh just alerting them uh basically updating them that um this is proceeding but to alert them that there will be people in the neighborhood

doing field survey work, which doesn't take um it's mainly a couple photos of each property. Um and they don't do measurements or anything like that. They just go down the street and snap some photos, but um it could be not uh not something that you would normally see. Um but um es especially in in the residential neighborhood but um so with that said um I don't know where they are with the letter but um

the last survey the most recent survey went out from us uh from the historical commission. Um this is to any property owners who have not submitted the paper survey uh that was sent out last year.

Uh this one has a QR code. Um, so I'm hoping that we'll have a better response. We did get um somebody uh uh it has been opened. I have the ability to see how it's being opened. Um we have one response so far um in about a week. So um we shall see.

But anyways, so the um those will be added to the other responses that we have. Um, but I'm hoping that a digital version might be a little bit more approachable than mailing something back. Um, so Carrie sent all of those out. Um, and let's see. Um, so that will be added to the file folder that we have access to for all of that. Um, and then I believe they will be uh working on once we have

that then we'll start doing neighborhood meetings. Um there's no representative yet from the Mass Historical Commission or not representative a replacement for Jen Dory. She uh was with the state commission. She left um for the uh private sector. So she um that position I believe is still open um with the state commission. So there is one gentleman um who is filling in for her. Um, so I can request, it might

have to be uh uh via Zoom with the with the meeting, but I can request when we start doing the public meetings to have someone from uh the Mass Historical Commission be present when we do the neighborhood meetings. Um, this gentleman's name is, do you recall? Uh, uh, Paul Holtz is who I've been receiving correspondences from.

Um uh and then um I did ask Carrie uh if we can also have her to join in our meetings as well when we start having neighborhood meetings. So just to answer some questions what it looks like from you know when uh on the city hall side when things are applied for. Okay. Um but we don't have any dates yet for that. Um so it's just a matter of receiving surveys back. I do think we're

going to there's a yeah I have an idea of where where we we've been receiving the most support versus where we haven't received anything. So I think that will help shape the boundary lines.

Um I don't think I have I don't have anything else aside from that. Um okay. Okay. So more soon. Um on that note, anything else? No. Um, we are scheduled, let me just get the date because I don't have it in front of me. Um, we are scheduled to meet next on Tuesday, June 17th at 6:00 p.m. Um, it is 7:22, sorry, 7:23 p.m. May I get a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

I'll second that motion. Motion by Connie, seconded by Rick to adjurnn. Uh, roll call. Connie, yes. Rick, yes.

Joyce. Yes. And Jason Bashard Rocky.

Yes. All right. Thank you very much everyone.