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12.23.2025 Licensing Board

Fall River Government TV Dec 29, 2025

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Okay. The um meeting of the Forever Licensing Board uh dated uh 12:23 2025 at 1 p.m. will now come to order. To my right is member Michael Pereira and also member Melanie Cado. Uh my name is attorney Greg Brilliant and I am the chairman of the board. Um pursue to the open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting and may transmit the media the meeting through

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any media. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unproceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible. The city charter section 9-18 mandates that all multiple member bodies develop and adopt rules a policy for public comment. We have adopted such a policy which in short provides for citizens input and licensing board

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specific matters at the beginning of each meeting. There is a signup sheet that is located at the back of the room.

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Is there anything? Okay. So that's at the agenda item one is public input. We have none. Um we're now going to go to article two which is show cause hearings. And the first one is Iced Out Pub, 16 East Main Street, Crystal D.

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Roses. Please come forward.

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And could you please both state your name and address for the record, please?

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My name is Crystal D. Rosa.

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My name is Destiny Weeks.

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And your affiliation to the business?

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Um, she is an associate. I'm just helping her out with paperwork to give it to you guys and stuff.

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Okay. No, it's not a problem. But you're not an attorney. I wasn't sure if you I'm in law school, but not official.

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Okay.

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I'm sorry. Could you spell your last name?

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We e ks.

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I wasn't sure if that's what you said.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Um well, we are here this afternoon. We never got an address from these people.

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I apologize. Addresses. I'm sorry, Michael.

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Of our personal home.

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Yeah.

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Um 170 Clifford Street, New Beford, Mass 02745.

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9 Salisbury Street, New Beford, Mass 0274.

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Okay.

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Um, as you aware, we are here today for a short cause hearing. Um, we took up your license at the last meeting. We did not vote on any renewals which I have contacted the ABCC and relative to your renewal, uh, we are going to entertain that right now in order what we need to do for the renewal is that was all their paperwork in that needed to be in and so forth and so on.

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They did what was necessary to renew.

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They didn't get the certificate from the building department, but they have time for that. So, okay. But they have all Okay. So, based on the fact that they have brought in all of their paperwork that is needed for a renewal, this board should take up the renewal um and actually renew the license. So, I'm going to entertain the renewal of the iced out pub license at 16 East Main Street, For Massachusetts.

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I'll make a motion to approve the license renewal for iced out pub.

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Second. Uh any questions on the motion?

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Meaning none. All those in favor. All those opposed. So your license has formally been renewed.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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That doesn't mean anything relative to what's going to happen now, but by by law, we have to do that. Okay. So we did that. So um this show cause hearing was was uh brought forth by the Force Department based on a number of instance instances incidences. So, I'm going to allow the uh detective Monus to to uh give us a short synopsis as to why it was brought forward. Just so you all know, full

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transparency, there is a this is the incidents involving the iced out public.

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Okay. Um you obviously know that it was suspended last week on an emergency basis based on public safety reasons.

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given the nature of what occurred at the uh at the pub. I'm I'm sure that that's going to be touched on again by Miss Monus right now as well as other things.

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So I will um I will hear from uh Detective Monus. I think we have also have some video and so forth and so on.

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Yes. Thank you.

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Okay, Detective Monus, go right ahead. So, since our last meeting that was held on May 21st for um issues regarding the iced out pub, we've received an additional 23 calls for service uh frequently and continuous regarding noise complaints. Um this is since the May since the May hearing. Well, the May 21st May 21st of this year.

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Okay.

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Um what triggered the request for this most recent show course hearing has been um some of the most recent events that have occurred. So, on November 27th at 2:10 a.m., officers responded to a report for a call of a disturbance regarding a fight outside of the establishment.

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Um, the call came in that there was approximately anywhere from 20 to 25 individuals outside of the establishment and that there were weapons involved.

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So, our officers responded to that location.

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Um, in a moment I'm going to show some body camera footage, but prior to doing so, I just want to give a little more insight.

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So, several officers arrived on scene first. They were able to locate a male just a block from the business that was bleeding from the face. Um, another officer responded a short time afterward and was only provided the information that was dispatched that there was an incident involving a group of individuals outside the establishment and there was a fight involving weapons.

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Unbeknownst to him, the other officers were another location. And so when he arrived at the establishment, um, this is his interaction and what transpired. So, I'm going to go ahead and show some body camera footage.

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And now, I apologize again. This this is an incident on this is on November 27th that would have been Thanksgiving eve into the early mornings of Thanksgiving at approximately 2:10 a.m.

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2:10 a.m. And this license court runs to what? two o'clock.

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Two o'clock.

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So, there's a 30 second window in which there won't be any audio until the officer engages his body camera footage and then you'll be able to hear audio.

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Thank you.

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He wants to go over there. That's all right.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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All right.

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I don't need to right here.

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I don't need to talk to you. Do you understand? Okay. I don't need to talk to you. Where are the other cops at?

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Where the other cops at?

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I don't care. Don't care if you're Bye.

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I don't need to get off your property.

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No, I didn't say get off my property. I said I told you they're not on my property.

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All right. See you.

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Bye. I will be back.

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All righty.

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Oh my god. Enough. Mind your own business.

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Hey, they're rats, too.

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Stop running him off, bro. Go back to your store. Go back to your bar.

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Understand?

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I don't even know my who you are. What do you think?

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I really don't. What are you going to do?

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You're the manager, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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I'm the manager.

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All right. So, you do understand liquor laws.

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I understand.

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You do understand the liquor law.

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So, you do understand we can go into liquor establish.

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Exactly. This happened after the fact.

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This happened when we trying to kick them.

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Okay. So, why are you giving us a problem? I'm asking

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I promise you.

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What are you going to do?

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I do nothing.

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You ain't going to do nothing. Stop.

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Stop it. That's the point. What do you mean?

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Another word for the city.

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What's your name?

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I'm so strong.

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904. Hey, thanks for stop.

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I need your name.

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I have no clue what Joe T a T A L A L A V E R R what are you refusing to give your name?

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As the owner of this establishment, are you refusing to give your name?

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Good to know.

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What is it? L I'm not T A L A D E I A Jo J O E Y Okay. And you're saying you're the manager here?

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Yep.

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The officer came on the property not as soon as he came down.

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It was a bar fight.

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It was but he said he and you guys aren't helping and you know you're supposed to have been trying to get you guys back. I asked him to ask for help. He told me about my business that his name who I am help and if we want to come in where we come in saying that he's saying that that officer was on our property which was a liar.

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You just end up there.

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Doesn't matter if we want to be here.

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I know that's that's the information he gave us. We're just being honest with you. Mhm. And who is this? Is this another work I act?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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There's really no reasoning with me.

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When we're dealing with a fight like this and then you guys are now disrespecting us, there's no reason.

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My mom worked for the city.

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Is that okay?

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Okay. So, just came on this acting all done. You You came on. You were respectful. You were calm, cool, collective. You weren't like every time you come here. Yeah, they're responding to a fight because there's blood on the ground right from where you guys are.

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But Saj S.

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But but S did did he not did he not come on here acting cool collective? Yes or no?

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Officer everybody else have to come collective wants to come all like I've been I've been doing what you guys my mother worked for the city for 32 years.

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Never once had a had a problem with two.

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Are you one of the bounces here?

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Security?

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Yeah.

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What's your name?

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I don't have a gift.

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You don't want to give me a name either?

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No.

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Okay.

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I don't have to give that.

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Sounds good.

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Sounds good. The licensing board will not. So, no name from the bouncer.

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Seriously? Right now.

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And no need from the owner. I see.

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This is what we call.

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Yes. People establishment closing.

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Oh, it's all workers. It's all workers.

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What are you

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Hello, everything. Say that again.

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We all work here.

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Oh, yeah.

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Just checking everyone out.

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Everyone's out.

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Only workers again.

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Only workers.

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Only workers workers. DJ, where's the liquor license?

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Where's the liquor license? The paperwork. Say that again.

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The paperwork for the liquor.

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I don't know if there's anything else that's not up there that we need to look at. There's more things on the wall.

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Y I lost $8,000 ring today for a pinky ring. That's on the floor.

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That's some scrub. Pick it up.

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You know what I'm saying?

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The cops taking reports.

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Why? She's not an employee here.

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Oh, she's not an employee employee here.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Right. Am I wrong?

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What time?

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Massachusetts state law.

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So, it's 220.

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I got no problem for my city on my city. My problem

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every two steps you every two steps you take. We're just trying to go to the exit.

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See, here you are escalating the situation. You're escalating everything.

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What do you mean? Did you see your back?

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I'm not talking.

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Okay.

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As previously displayed in the video, you can see that our officers were met with some resistance. The sergeant was able to get into the establishment. You can note the time frame. There was still alcohol in the bar. Officers subsequently left after concluding their investigation and later on that morning a video surfaced on the internet. In the video, there was the altercation that had

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transpired outside of the business where multiple of the staff members that had identified themselves to officers upon arrival for the initial incident to include the gentleman who identifies himself as the owner, whom we later identified as Mr. Jason D. Roza, were all involved in the altercation outside of the establishment. There were staff members that were found to be in possession of extendable batons that

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were also used in this altercation. So, I'm going to play that video now.

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This is on This is on social media.

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This was released on social media which our officers were able to retrieve.

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It's a very short video. There is no audio.

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That's the guy, isn't it?

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That is what we are able to identify based on the clothing and our previous interactions to be Mr. D. Rosa whom identified himself as the owner of the bar.

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Heather, what time was this?

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Approximately that fight?

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Yeah.

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Would have been just prior to our officer's arrival. That was at 2:10 a.m.

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is when we got the call for the initial inter um the fight from dispatch.

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That was the call for the fight.

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That was the call for the fight.

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2 days after this incident, officers responded for a single vehicle accident around 6:00 a.m. for a vehicle that was facing the opposite direction lane of traffic. Um, and there was a witness who stood by on scene that was able to give a description of the male that they observed exiting a vehicle um and heading in the opposite direction of the accident.

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Uh officers who responded ultimately ran the registration of the vehicle. The vehicle came back to Mr. Jason D. Roza.

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Based on the description that was given by the witness, officers canvased the area and ultimately located Mr. D. Roza a ways down the road from where the accident had transpired.

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Um officers did interact with Mr. Rosa.

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He was resist uh not resistant but he wasn't exactly forthcoming, non-ooperative, but ultimately gave a statement that he was looking for his vehicle that had been stolen from his bar earlier that morning at 2 a.m. when he said he closed it and he began looking for his vehicle. So based on the statements of his vehicle having been reported stolen, officers then applied for a search warrant for the

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establishment to retrieve any video footage available of the incident to assist in their investigation.

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The next video that I'm going to play is the video of the execution of the search warrant. Um, the reason that I'm going to be playing this video is for a number of reasons. The main reason that we brought this to show cause hearing originally started with the noise complaints from neighbors and the frequent calls for service regarding the noise complaints. Uh I think this video will speak for itself.

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This is at 8:17 at night. 8:00 p.m. at night.

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Hey, the owner here.

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Can you turn off the music?

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Search one. Yeah. Hold on. Judge have a search warrant for your DVR and any of the evidence of the batons by your bouncers batons and your DVR security system. It's right here. Recording devices and expandable baton. That's what I'm here for.

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Turn off the music.

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You guys work here.

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Stop reaching around. Stop reaching around.

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Yeah, but I don't want you reaching for it. Right. All right.

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Take him to the front. Miranda here.

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Everybody's going to actually Everybody's going to get Miranda right now. Who all works here?

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You work here.

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You work here.

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Time to go. Unless you want to be part of it.

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Yep.

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Right.

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Yeah. But you you are going to read your rights right?

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Okay. And you told me I next time I come back and come back to the search for the other night.

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Go ahead and read them.

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Everybody over here pay attention.

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So this is for everybody like separate lines. So I'll read one of the lines. You guys understand at the end I ask it again. All right.

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Repetitive.

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All right.

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Yep.

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Huh?

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Well, there's a fight here the other night. You told us didn't happen.

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Something else and then some social media stuff came up. It definitely happened, right? Then you said somebody stole your car last night. So, I want to make sure that your car and get the suspect information.

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So, we're w exactly super cooperative this morning from what I hear. So, now we're not going to be cooperative. So, I got to go the other route. Last time I was here, you told us to come back with the search warrant. So, I got the search warrant this time cuz I didn't want to butt heads with you again. But, we're having these interchanges and now your license. I've already spoken to the

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licensing uh person today and it's going to go for a show cause hearing now. So, you could potentially lose your license now because police officers are agents of the licensing board. You cannot hinder their abilities to enter your premise at any time. You are subject to inspection at any time. Do you currently have a license or a list of your current employees?

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that you can provide.

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This is everybody here that works.

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So, like we told you the other night that you can't interview people, right?

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So, we got a call for a fight here and somebody at the front door told my guy to come back with a warrant. That ever happens again, he's going to jail for interfering. Next time we come back like that, too, people are going to start going to jail and you're going to be needing more hot water. But you told us to come back with a search warrant, I oblige you. I got a search warrant.

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Okay. So, that DVR is going to be searched. which we're going to pull from the incident the night of the fight and for your stolen car so we can figure out who stole your car. Okay, let's let's try not to have these runins. I had no problem this place until the other night.

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Since that incident, it should be noted that there were additional calls for service regarding noise complaints later on in the week. Um, approximately 3 weeks after this incident, officers responded on the morning of December 18th at 2:09 a.m. for a report of a shooting. There were two victims found with gunshot wounds, one male with a facial injury and a female who reported min minor injuries. This matter is still

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very much under investigation, so I'm not going to release more information than that.

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But I think the videos speak for themselves and the evidence speaks for themselves. These interactions are occurring more frequently and they are escalating.

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With that, I yield.

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All right.

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I I know my initial thought right now, one question I have is Mr. D. Roza, what what what I'm assuming it's your husband.

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He is overprotective brother.

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Brother, he is not the owner. He has no affiliation any longer. Well, I'm going to tell you any longer. You do realize that that is a crime. A serious serious serious crime to fraudulently put anything on a on a on an application for a liquor license in the state of Massachusetts.

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That is a serious serious crime.

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Okay. Because that that's perpetrating a fraud in the in the government.

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I think Crystal Crystal I am the owner.

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No, no, I know. But and I know you do and I see you you're you're tearing up and I sympathize with you. But if there's any circumvention of that by because people don't want to be put on an application because they got a criminal record so they can't hold a license which has happened before in the city of Fall River.

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No, he just thinks because I was a female owner, he didn't want people to walk all over me or do something to me, which I told him I'm fine. I can do it.

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He just gets too productive and he's putting me in situations I don't belong in. Well, he has done that because I can tell you right now watching that fight on that I used to live on Peckingham Street one block away. I lived there with my parents. Okay, that's not a neighborhood like it never was.

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Honestly, we used to walk on that street. I live literally a block away.

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To see a fight like that occur and then to hear about shootings where people could get killed at 2:09 in the morning.

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Okay. It doesn't make me want to have this place open. I'm I'm No disrespect to you, man, because you're probably a very nice person. You probably try hard.

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But something's wrong over there. This can't I mean since May 23 calls a fight that I saw your cousin, I'm sorry. I think you said your cousin brother is whailing at somebody. I mean, could seriously hurt somebody out in the street and then and then three weeks later now we got guns. escalates from a allout brawl now to guns and people getting shot.

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I don't know. I I'll hear from you because I want to be fair and reasonable, but this is not what I I grew up in for River. I really did. I don't I don't come from like Trust me, I could tell you about my family's background. It's probably closer to your brother than it is to anybody else in this room, his background. Okay? But this is not this is this is out of

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control and somebody is going to get seriously gripped. But I will hear from you young lady. Whoever wants to pass you out the paper.

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You may have mandatory staff training.

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Every single staff member was briefed on it and then this is the safety plan and action plan that we have implemented.

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So they have been trying to take proper steps to make sure this does not happen ever again. Let it be noted that the person that was shot was a security person trying to keep the rest of the people safe by deescalating the situation and having two parties separated. Unfortunately, people went to vehicles while security was trying to stop it. And security was the one who got shot.

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And also my child and her child.

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He's in ICU. Very critical. But he did get shot to help people stay safe.

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I I I And you know, it's a child, so obviously that's even compounds this.

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Yes.

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Okay. I have I think I have a child. her son works in the kitchen and he was there trying to help his uncle and that's when everything had escalated.

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So we know that Jason D. Roza does like to say that he is on proction of his sister but he is no longer in any affiliation. He's removed from day-to-day operations. He has no control of his staff, no alcohol, no security decisions, anything like that at all.

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The person stating in the video that they are a manager is not a manager any longer. They have got they're not hold manager. I'm the only one that holds manager in ownership of iced out pub.

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We have our everyday bartender here and we have our lead bartender on the weekends. They are tip certified so they know how to properly assess situations of danger. They now know 100% when to contact the police. And we are trying to implement a 25 plus admission policy because it seems like a lot of the problems were younger people, you know, 21 plus.

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Michael, you have a question?

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Yeah, I got a couple questions. U top of the afternoon to you. Um, you're saying that when was this document generated?

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Um, this was after the situation and we did training on 1221. So, so this document, you guys came up with this after these incidences?

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Yes.

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Well, we've had we've never had like a a full document in here and full signing.

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We when we when we first opened, we went over things.

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Nothing like proper Okay.

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situation like to have it noted like this paperwork is now.

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All right. So, um and then you're saying that Mr. D. Roa, D. Roas is no longer affiliated as in any way or in any way. He will the decision take place.

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Um the day that this shooting had occurred we noted that a lot of the problems, the police seemed to not be a fan of him and we wanted to make sure that that problem is now, you know, resolved.

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Yeah. Well, I believe his actions dictated his you got on a body cam and figure of this gentleman telling a follower police officer to get the f off my property.

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So that's not going to be tolerated.

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Exactly. This is a new benefit. This is for Absolutely. Have you you've seen the investigation that Detective Modus has put together? Okay.

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This is a real police department here in For this type of activity is not going to be tolerated.

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That's one thing is I've never disrespected the police. Hold on. Let me finish. Let me you were here. I I have had conversations with you the last time you were here and and we talked about we talked Sure. We talked about um wanting to work with you. We I personally have said I want you to be successful. Do you recall?

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Yes. Yes. Yes, you have.

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And um it it doesn't seem like you made an effort to be successful or to work with the forward police department.

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Doesn't seem whatsoever. This is a decent document. I just I just scanned it, but it's too little too late. Okay.

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It's way too little too late. Someone's going to get hurt there. Someone's been shot there. Your child has been shot there. Um if this comes to me and make any recommendation, I'm going to recommend that you guys shut down if it comes to me. Okay.

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So when you state that Mr. Rose is no longer part of this business, is he allowed on the premises? Is he allowed to frequent the bar with his friends, which I assume was that manager from one of the I don't want him to.

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I want him to stay away.

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Okay.

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He's very aware that he's no longer allowed on the premises. Yes. If that's what it needs to take for her business to thrive, he is 100% not involved at all and willing to stay away.

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That business is for her to feed her family, not to feed his. And Iced Stout Pub opened, I think, relatively recent, three years.

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It hasn't even been two.

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2026 will be two.

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So, it hasn't even been two years. And how many calls, Heather?

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So I I would like to add this. I mean, the most recent have been 23 additional calls, but we've been meeting regarding the iced out pub for quite some time.

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This goes back to 2024. I mean, we met with you back in 24 at the police department. We proposed some suggestions on, you know, the noise complaint and you've always been cooperative with us.

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I have nothing bad to say about you and how you've treated the police department. You certainly have.

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Thank you.

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However, I I do think there's a little bit of a negligence because I know that in our last meeting, um, Mr.

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Pereira proposed that maybe 2:00 a.m. is a little late. Let's stop serving alcohol around 1:00 a.m. I can say that.

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I mean, pretty consistently the problems are right around 2:00 in the morning when you're supposed to be shutting down the bar and not having people still having access to beverages. Um, but it doesn't seem like any of those proactive steps have been taken. So, I think that's something to take into consideration as well.

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I think last time um you were here was in was it May?

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May 201.

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And we did discuss, you know, that the bar closes officially at 2, but to stop serving, I think we said 1 or 1:30, a little earlier just to give some time to settle down.

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Yeah. But one of the body cam footages you showed showed that there was still alcohol on the bars after 2 pm. So I think that's in relation to all the drama outside and fighting that everybody was kind of trying to deal with that situation. So they didn't have enough time to snatch it off and started cleaning and just leaving on there. But they are very aware of your liquor licensing board with your 15-minute rule

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after closing to take all the bottles and everything open off the bars and away. We definitely went through that in depth.

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So, the man in the footage who claimed he was the manager, he's not. He's one of my security gentlemen.

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Okay. And he just stated he was the manager because that's what he chose to do that day, which was wrong.

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Okay.

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But is it also custom for security to be intoxicated? Because I I can't say that, you know. No, it's not.

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Okay.

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And telling you everything is changing.

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We're changing every I'm changing everything.

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None of the employees are allowed to drink while working.

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Were they drinking that evening?

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I think I can't speak. I wasn't there for it. I think it's pretty obvious by the video.

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They were by the video.

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I would like to add also that um the night that we executed the search warrant, one of our officers did ask if everyone there that was staffed, there were I think one or two individuals that left, but there was alcohol in the bar as well. So, I don't know if that's just a customary thing.

34:24

There were two beers on the bar and both of those beers belong to the two customers that that left. Okay.

34:29

And also in the clip, I'm the bartender on the day where the body camera footage is. The only alcohol that I'm holding are empty bottles maybe that I'm putting in the trash or something like that, but I wasn't serving alcohol at 2:00 in the morning. And if you look back and Oh, you're talking about the night of the incident on the 27th.

34:47

Yeah, I was the bartender that night. So there, if you play it closely and really look at the bar, nobody has alcohol out in those clips and those two beers that are there on the Saturday of the search warrant belong to the two customers. But I did see when the woman did put the footage near the bar, there was like the four plastic cups and two highs with the two,

35:12

right? I would say it looked like there was some sort of security clearing off the table and putting them right there for us to throw away. Right.

35:18

So that's not like us serving drinks.

35:20

I don't think there was any question that you guys were serving drinks.

35:23

I just wanted to clarify.

35:24

Yeah. No, no problem. I think the purpose of that looked like those could have been people's drinks. Yeah.

35:29

Security cleaning the table for us to dump in the trash behind the box. That's their way of helping us clean it.

35:35

Understandable. Nonetheless, I think the time frame was still beyond the 15inute mark. So there should have been no alcohol at all in the establishment at that point. But but I appreciate you clarifying that you obviously weren't serving at that time.

35:47

I I I just this is my problem. Okay. You came in in May and and young lady, excuse me if I if I'm not trying to offend anybody younger than me and and and also your workers.

36:00

I personally when I hear you people speak I I think your your intentions are good. I I'm I'm really not going to say as Heather said I don't think you gave us a problem that this is out of control. I mean, we were here in May because of just noise, like noise in the neighborhood. And and I think whatever you may have done, it doesn't appear that I solved the problem, but so be it. We're talking

36:25

about people guns when it's not about, in my humble opinion, if there was a if there was a bar, I used to own a bar down in the South End as well. Yeah, that's not right by law, but I I'm not sitting here worried about if there was an open bar on that bar at 209. Quite frankly, it's against the rules. I'm going to say it's against the rules, but I'm very worried

36:45

about someone is going to get killed.

36:49

I mean, you're wailing at people on the street, kicking people, then two weeks later, people are coming in there at 209 and shooting somebody for some reason.

36:57

That's that's very very distressful to me. It's not about whether you're a good person. Sure, you are. And you you ladies who are working there, but this is something's going on over there. It's attracting people with violence and so forth and so on. And from what you see from the video cams, no one really seems to care, you know. Um that that is what really really really disturbs me here.

37:22

Someone is going to get killed. You know, we got enough problem, you know, we have things in other areas of the city. We we got to do something. And you know, that's just me. And I and I'm not saying anything about anybody personally about anybody's intent because I think your intent, young lady, is probably good. But if it can't be controlled, then we just can't have it. That's just

37:43

the way I look at it. I ain't trying to put anybody out of business. I'm not trying to, you know, kill people's investments. I'm trying to save a life.

37:50

Like trying to make sure no one gets killed. Your child got shot. Had that bullet gone a different direction. I mean, I could not I I My son's I think was the person that get shot was I heard about 18. I don't know that. I don't He just turned 20 yesterday.

38:05

Okay. My 19 My son's 34. If I didn't have my son, I would I'd be lost in my life. I wouldn't probably wouldn't even want to live anymore. I can understand how you feel.

38:12

But that's what I'm trying to say. That can't happen. The 18year-old, 20 year old kids are getting shot. It just can't happen. Not shouldn't happen anywhere.

38:22

But as a as a licensing board member, ma'am, I I can't I I'm sorry, but I can't let that even the possibility that happen again go on. I'm not trying I'm just talking for myself, and I really am being honest with you. I'm not trying to hurt anybody's business or their pocketbook or anything like that, but me personally, this has kind of gone too far. Really has.

38:44

Something as a bar owner yourself.

38:46

Well, I used to be prime example.

38:47

Used to be.

38:49

So, if you were working and things happened, we deescalated it. Everybody went outside. We can't control somebody going to their vehicle and grabbing something that they have on their own person.

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do something with in the vicinity of our establishment. That's where I feel like we suffer cuz we had no control of what they did once we kicked them off the premises.

39:18

But does that make sense, young lady? It does.

39:20

What happened? I will say that that's a different variation of what's being investigated, but there was an altercation that ensued inside of the property that trickled outside prior to a young lady and I and I'm going to tell you that I understand your point, but they're coming to that establishment and that means something in and of itself. I ran I did run a little neighborhood by

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Portuguese American Athletic Club when I bought it that we used to close very early was a older man and so so forth and so on. Even at times it got there were things that happened but but they're coming there for a reason. Okay, it's happening there. It's escalating.

39:53

It's not getting better after May. It's getting worse and now it's heightened that guns. So there's a reason. So you can't control somebody going to the to their top. Sure.

40:05

Can I say something?

40:05

But they're but they're written in the establishment. Yes, young lady. We accept the responsibility of them being on our property and then we have implemented better training like I said with security to prevent the loitering.

40:18

So now if we need to escort every single person to their vehicle in the parking lot which is small, it's only establishment that fits about 55 people right now. That is very easy to have staff outside to be like, "Okay, time to go. Here's your vehicle. We are going to escort you off the premises right there and then if that's what it needs to take to prevent them from being able to go to

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their car and even grabbing a weapon. If we need to escort you to every single vehicle, so be it.

40:41

Yeah. And and you probably can't do it.

40:43

I'm not talking about the greatest people. Like there's people out there that are violent. You can't control that either.

40:48

And that's why you need trained security.

40:50

And and that's what I thought that we tried to deal with back in May. And that's why I'm trying to tell you my biggest problem is the escalation of these problems since May. They've gotten worse, far worse. Her son got shot. I can't I'm not going to put on my my shoulders and my conscience her son getting shot and maybe next time being in a mugg. Okay, I can't do that. I'm

41:11

speaking for myself and not for my colleagues. But I have a child. Like I said, I feel for that because that's got to be the worst feeling in the world. I don't care. As a parent, it's got to be terrible and I can't My son will not be returning.

41:24

All right. And I don't blame you. I don't blame you because if someone could walk in a bar at 209 and pull out a gun and start shooting, whether you knew him, whether you didn't, that's for the police to determine in their investigation. I don't want to get involved in that. But I I'm just speaking for myself.

41:40

I'm I honestly I can tell you you probably don't I have nothing against anyone, honestly. But but I but I can't entertain a motion.

41:49

I I I will entertain a motion. I can't make one as the chair, but I I think I've made my my feelings known.

41:55

You got anything else?

41:57

No.

41:58

Okay. So, uh I'm going to make a um motion that we revoke this liquor license indefinitely. They have the opportunity to reapply at at a later date once they get they have five they have five days to appeal to ABC once once they get the decision. Okay. So, I make a motion that we revoke this license indefinitely.

42:17

Is that the language indefinitely or is it just revoke the license?

42:20

Just I think we'll go with revocation.

42:24

Okay. I'm just saying, Mike, I'm not trying to question your motion.

42:26

No, no. If what whatever is appropriate.

42:28

Do we have a second?

42:29

Does he have to amend that?

42:30

Just revoke the license.

42:34

I feel deeply because I know you've invested your time, your money, and your energy, and you know, it's a dream to own a business and to bring a business to Fall River. And I feel so deeply for you what you're going through right now with your son and you know this time of year that it is but I think that due to the escalations from you know 6 months whatever how long

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ago May um it's only getting worse and the bars posing a real danger to the city. So I have to second Mike's motion.

43:12

Uh anybody out there in favor? Anybody opposed? Um, any questions on the motion?

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None.

43:18

Hearing none. All those in favor? I. All those opposed. Motion cars to be a revocation of the license.

43:26

Yeah. We appeal it and have another hearing.

43:35

And just for the record, just for the record before we we close this meeting, the violations are such that um they're going to be as elicited by the um by the uh federal police department. That's the code of masses regulations. Regulations 204 CMR 20-05 permitting an illegal disturbance of disorder. Regulation 204 CMR 4-03 consumption of alcohol by an employee. City Ordinance 46-7-8

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noise uh for a licensing board rules and regulations rule seven, rule 11, rule 19, rule 24, rule 28, rule 31, rule 36, rule 47 as presented in the package for um this show here. Thank you.

44:21

Yes, you don't leave one with us.

44:24

I need to keep one. So yeah, I need of all the employees.

44:27

Do you want a blank one or the ones that they signed because I had every staff employee?

44:32

I don't need that. But we should have a copy of this.

44:35

Oh, okay.

44:36

I just have a copy back. You give that.

44:38

Okay. Thank you.

44:39

No problem.

44:47

Oh. Um, what happens with it hasn't been surrendered to us yet? Do we need it?

44:52

No, because they weren't they weren't I understand they weren't accessible for do you want to go and speak with them right now she can't open and she so um just to add when I had called to speak with Mr. Roser, she informed me that obviously her son was one of the victims. She wasn't present at the time to uh surrender the license, but she was well aware that the license had been

45:12

suspended at the emergency hearing and she was not allowed to open. That was the last step.

45:17

And and they move if they they have to apply for a stay if they want one. As of now, there's no state. This is implemented. There's no there's no state here.

45:26

The time of the year is going to be so difficult for me to information.

45:30

Well, I'm going to call the man's office to have him have somebody in you dropped that decision.

45:36

Well, I don't need anybody's help. I don't really.

45:42

Okay.

45:43

Um, now we have just look at your agenda because I put mine away. Just real quick back. We have uh section two show cause here. We have Leonard's Package Store, 1311 Pleasant Street, Terron Bolitus Patel, and I apologize if I didn't say that correctly, sir. Um, could you please state your name and address for the record?

46:07

Certainly. Uh, for the record, my name is Peter Celino. I represent Tony Patel.

46:11

Uh, Tony is the manager of Leonard's Package Store, uh, and a resident of the city of Fall River. Tony, what's your residential address?

46:18

10 Leeward Road, Fall River, Mass, 027.

46:22

10 Leeward.

46:23

10 Leeward.

46:24

Yeah. Okay.

46:26

All right. Um, can you just give me a minute, Mr. Sure. you know enough for Miss Monus to come back.

46:33

We're going to do the same thing. We're going to allow Detective Monus to give her um synopsis of why it's before the board and then at that point in time we'll have any questions and hear from Thank you.

46:45

your attorney.

46:47

Thank you. So, we've received a variation of calls for service to the property. We understand that you're in a difficult neighborhood. Um there's a lot of homelessness problem going on in that area. We're well aware of it. Um however, officers are responding frequently to call for service there for patrons who are over served um that are found in the parking lot incapacitated to the point where we can't even get

47:16

information from them when they're being transported to the hospital for medical treatment. Uh so they're being listed as uh Jane Doe and and John Doe. Um nonetheless, there have been a frequent call for services regarding individuals entering the establishment, helping themselves to alcohol, drinking inside of the establishment, urinating out in the parking lot. It's becoming sort of an area for hanging out of the

47:46

wrong crowds. Um, we obviously have our concerns of the issue escalating and we haven't exactly, not to say that the owner hasn't been cooperative. I believe that he has been cooperative. He's expressed to us that he has fear of retaliation from these parties, but we've proposed some suggestions on how to improve the problem. I just don't know that we're being met with the same like compliance,

48:17

if you will. It's becoming an ongoing issue. I do have one of our officers here who's frequently the officer responding. He's assigned to that area and he's more familiar with the problems that are occurring there. But since the beginning of the year, we've we've responded to approximately 26 calls for service ranging from physical altercation to public urination. And um much like I said, incapacitated

48:40

individuals in the parking lot. Um yeah, that's it's just been an ongoing and escalating issue as well.

48:49

Is this is this the officer?

48:50

We do have the officer here. If you'd like to come down, just you you you go there frequently.

49:00

So I've been working for the city of Florida for approximately 5 years. I was assigned to car six, which is in the Flint neighborhood area.

49:08

So my entire career in uniform division, I worked that route. So I'm very familiar with Pleasant Street and London's package store area. Um I'm in a new role now uh with the CAST unit as a detective, but um prior to that I was in a neighborhood engagement unit where um my CDA route was that location as well in the city. Um, so I've done a lot of uh like I've been there uh and directly

49:41

investigated multiple incidents with Lennon's Package store in the surrounding area uh myself. So any questions having to do with that, I'd be more than happy to answer.

49:49

Yeah. I mean, like what's going I I mean, I've heard and I'm I'm sure people Mr. Seleno will touch on it. Detective Monus did that. There's there's some kind of unruly people that are really kind of at times trying to take over the store and causing major problems and it's spilling out into the parking lot.

50:06

And I also was told that there was, you know, groups of people from the surrounding, whether it's homeless, whether it's whatever it may be suffering from addiction, mental illness that have seemed to become this has become someone somewhat of a congregation area.

50:21

Um, so so is that what you've seen?

50:24

Yeah. So, on a day-to-day basis with Leonard's when they're open, um, you see, uh, and you can drive down there, you you you'll see people intoxicated, regulars intoxicated. They will be on camera and, uh, with my own eyes, I've seen them enter the store multiple times throughout the hours of oper operation of the establishment. They will they are served every time. Uh it is to the point

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where I have personally had to transport people um uh you know protective custody due to the fact that they're severely intoxicated, transport them to the hospital um after driving down Pleasant Street and seeing them enter Leonard's Package store throughout the the entire day. Um I have made uh multiple uh arrests, summones and physical arrests.

51:12

I've been witnessed to multiple summones and arrests with regards to open container and public intoxication uh directly either in the lot or on the park um in the parking lot of the establishment and on the um sidewalk right outside of the establishment. Um, you walk down Leonard's package store right now outside there are empty beer cans and nips everywhere which is a clear indicator for me um as a

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responding officer that there is an issue with uh open container drinking in public. Um there's been fights. Um, I reviewed footage and um investigated a matter uh with regards to video surveillance footage from the establishment that showed people drinking inside, purchasing purchasing at the counter, drinking inside, purchasing, walking outside in the parking lot, standing around, drinking in the parking lot of

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the establishment, urinating behind the dumpster in the establishment. Uh, I have personally spoke to Mr. Patel myself. Uh I asked him to uh place more trespassing signs, more no loitering signs. I asked him to call the police when there are issues. He informed me that him and his staff are afraid to do so. Uh which to me is a significant concern. Um so long story short is is uh I mean on a day-to-day basis you can

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drive down there yourself. Anyone can you can observe this everything that I just mentioned.

52:44

Mr. Celino, I think I think that is in that's what I've heard that he's got some people going in there. He's somewhat scared of him. I mean, I know he's a business owner other businesses in the city. He does a very good job in some of these other locations. So, I mean, we got we got to do something certainly. So, if I can offer the following um I think Tony would agree

53:05

he's not a strong guy and he's not going to take anybody down a route. So when I took this file in a couple of weeks ago, I made a suggestion to him, which is come forward, be contrite, acknowledge your sins, and offer a private security detail to the board. Um, try to get a hold of the people that are coming and frequenting this establishment. So, uh, he's been in communication with Signal

53:28

Communication, which is on Bank Street, uh, and he is ready, willing, and able to hire a private detail, uh, officer for security. I'll offer that I would suggest to you that maybe three in the afternoon until close is probably the appropriate time for that kind of thing because as a broad generalization I don't think the troublemakers are awake at 10. Um so I think you know weekends

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andor later in the day is the problem but he's committed to do that. He's authorized me to offer to the board that he'll continue that for up to 60 days if that's a show of good faith and we can have another chance to come back and uh go over this situation. He did tell me about the signs. Uh he's indicated to me that he did put the signs up. Um his

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English isn't great, but if I had to characterize what he told me, it's the population is really tough and they run him over and he's not a fight back. Not that it's right, but he's not the kind of guy that's going to start choking people out. It's just not him and he is afraid. Uh and to Mr. Brilliant's point, uh behind me, Pesh and Andy are his cousins from the old country. Uh

54:32

together they own Royal Liquors on North Main Street. They own economy liquors on North Main Street. They own the Supreme Gases on Brighton Avenue and Eastern Avenue, the former U Crossing Oil. So, they're trying to do a good job.

54:45

How about these two guys? They can't choke anybody out.

54:47

No, they don't look like it, Mike.

54:48

Andy's kind of tough. He He when he immigrated from uh Andy when Andy came from India, he came to the Bronx. Does he look tough?

54:55

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They look all right.

54:57

But in any case, and you know, not to make light of the situation. So, I think they're good operators generally, but I think they're overrun on budget. tough.

55:04

It's a tough neighborhood right now. I don't I think that police would agree.

55:07

Yeah. And I and I can offer as an anecdotal side piece, um I've had issues with homelessness right up the street from various properties that Tetrol owns that are being redeveloped into apartments where Glenn has had to constantly kick people out that are homeless and sleeping in there. So, not to discount any of the police testimony because I'm sure it all happens, but I do think he's in a tough spot. So,

55:30

can I can I ask Go ahead. Um, if I may, I was just going to say, um, if I could propose a suggestion as well. If there are, we know it's a difficult area. We know that there are probably people that are frequent, uh, frequenting the the business that are problematic. If Mr. Patel is able to identify them and would like to have them trespass from the property, so they're no longer even

55:52

allowed to go to the establishment, that's something that our officers can enforce.

55:56

Okay.

55:56

Um, so if if he's able to say, "Yeah, that person, I'm petrified of them. I don't want them into the establishment, he doesn't even want their service.

56:03

That's always an option as well.

56:06

So that way you're stopping them right at the door and you don't even have to worry about anything further, especially if he's going to have a private security. That's going to be, you know, the muscles for him, if you will.

56:15

Can I can I ask both of you is you open seven days a week?

56:20

Yes.

56:20

What's the time? What time you open?

56:22

We open 8 to 11, but we close it early because of this. Now, let me ask you this, and it's probably Do you notice?

56:31

It probably is every day, but because they're I guess these people that are terrorizing him don't pick days, but is it every day? Listen, I I want I want him to do the right thing, and I think he's gone a long way towards at least making that offer. I really do. And I'm trying to help the guy because that's going to be a tremendous bill for him.

56:48

The security is obviously more important to me. That's my first and foremost. But is it every day like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday? You think need security. Is it as bad a problem?

56:58

Yeah. Unfortunately, like I hate to say it, but in plain English, he's serving a um a population that depends on alcohol.

57:05

Yeah, it is. Okay.

57:06

Okay. So, it's an everyday thing without a doubt.

57:09

That's okay. All right, then.

57:10

Yeah. And I can offer to the board. It's 40 bucks an hour. That's what he's going to spend.

57:14

Well, do you mind?

57:15

No, go right ahead of mine.

57:16

Um All right. So, I worked there many years myself. many many years in the Flint Cop five, Cop Four and um Lennards has always been a little bit of an issue, but I mean when Gary Michaels owned it, it was it was a nice pleasant place. You know, there weren't there weren't, you know, shootings out in front. There were you we have to move people along, but it was always a nice

57:38

neighborhood business. And I would think that the city wants to, you know, build up that that neighborhood. Like you said, Mr. Tetro's doing stuff up there, and I'm sure the mayor wants to make that neighborhood. We can't have this.

57:49

This is if this is what's this is bringing the neighborhood down. You know what I mean? So, um but um so strategies, right? Or or problem solving uh what I this is something off the top of my head. What about not selling nips or not selling natty daddies and things? I know it's I know it's a burden on you financially, but if if for some reason, you know, maybe for for just for 30

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days, you don't sell nips or you don't sell the drinks that you know what the naughty daddy what was don't don't sell that stuff, you know, concentrate on the beers and concentrate on the uh you know, I mean people do it like I mean you go you go to the one market basket, people aren't in there buying droves of nibs, you know what I mean? So they're surviving. I wouldn't, you know, but maybe curve what you're

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offering to the to the community. Maybe you could do that. I'm not just let me finish and then you could that. So, that would be a suggestion. That would be a strategy I think would help you. And then the other thing was I know you private security and it's $40.

58:55

But the the the clientele that are torturing this guy now are rough and they're going to be rough on the private security as well. And I do that the private security. But what what I would suggest that maybe once maybe twice a week hire a police detail just just on where where it really gets hot so you can have a police officer there. You know it's it's always a difficult time

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for the guy for guys to take details.

59:17

You know you you want to hire it and no one takes it. What difference does that make? But now that it's the winter, there's no road jobs. Maybe guys would take that detail. You know what I mean?

59:26

So maybe Fridays and Saturdays, hire a police detail instead of the security just to just to keep it a secret like that like they would never know when the cops going to be there compared to the security. You can't be just, you know, you got to have like good strategies to solve this problem because we don't want I tell you I've had conversations with Greg. We don't want to shut him down. I

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mean, we want that business to grow. You know, we don't want to pun punish him for what what what what's been going on because it's certainly not his friends in there drinking, you know. It's not him, you know. But they're all vegetarians.

59:56

Yeah. So you can't you can't have people just opening a crack of a beer and drinking it and walking out. You can't have that obviously. So there are some strategies. I think that would be good.

1:00:04

The other one would I mean I don't think you should stay open till 11 at least for the next 90 days. I would suggest that you close at like 8. Again, I know it's all going to be financial, but this isn't your only Hold on. Let me This isn't your only source of income. You own all kinds of stuff all over the city, but this is the one that's troubled.

1:00:22

There's no trouble at Crown. There's no trouble at Supreme Gas stations. This one's very very troubled. So, I would suggest to close it at 8 for the for for the next 90 days given your you know what you're selling and throw throw a police detail in there once or twice a week. I think those are solid strategies that would uh that would help help your problem.

1:00:46

Mike, I appreciate the strategies you put forth, but I think that those are going to severely hurt their business, and I do not agree with them.

1:00:54

No, no, I get about I don't think it's Yeah, but it's not like this is his mom and pop. This is his only business. This is safety in the city. He He don't think his his livelihood depends on this.

1:01:03

I don't think that's for us to decide, though.

1:01:05

No, no, no. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying the strategy because without strategies like that, I'm not going to um I'm not going to be able to uh support um Not we're not licensed not sanctioning him.

1:01:18

So I I think Mr. Patel had just said they've been closing at 9:30. Correct.

1:01:22

Okay. So he's already been doing that. I think I believe he's he said he's going to continue to do couple months.

1:01:31

I want I want to just make one thing. I don't mean to interrupt you. I I want to say that I think whatever we do tonight is only going to be also on a like almost like a probationary probationary.

1:01:40

We're going to have him come back in forever. No, no, but I'm just saying it might be forever. I'm I'm going to give him Well, my vote's going to be it's going to be conditioned upon a certain amount of time he does this for us for him to come back here for us to reassess it. If after that period of time, whether it's 60 days as attorney Celeno said or whatever, the police are going

1:02:01

to give us an update as to what's going on. We're going to give them my opinion and I interrupted you so I but my opinion is I'll give him some time. I'll even give him the time to implement their own security system knowing it's on them. And whether it's a time reduction to 9:30 or 10, that's fine if he does that already. But to me, I'm going to allow them the opportunity to

1:02:25

put forth this private security, whatever signage, knowing that if it doesn't work, there's going to be greater ramifications in the 60 days.

1:02:36

It's going to you know what I'm saying?

1:02:38

That's that's my opinion.

1:02:39

I can also offer that I just spoke to my clients and they're fine with a Fall River officer if it's a day a week to put forward that as a good faith olive branch to say if you can service it if if if that's what Mike s I and I'm not no disrespect to Mike because we talked and I do know where he's coming from.

1:02:57

They they I think they're going to try to be successful. Okay. I really do believe they're going to put their best foot forward. They may be scared. It may be something they're not going to be able to control. We're going to, my opinion is going to be to allow them to put their own private security knowing at the end of the 60 days that you proposed, whether if it's at 9:30,

1:03:15

whether it's at 11, whether whether it's one day of a of a police detail or continuous private security, at the end of 60 days, we're going to have to have some progress. It just like I told those other people, this can't escalate. I know there was the shooting in that in that area. nothing to do with you, but it can't escalate. And that's what I want to prevent so that our, you know,

1:03:38

our our policemen are safe out there as well as the public and you you to be safe. I I understand someone tried to choke you, the whole nine yards. I I don't want that happening to you either.

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Just like I told that lady, that's not what we want around here. And you are in a you're you're in a you're in a tough n you're in a tough section. It's a lot going on. Not all good. So that's my I and I appreciate Mike's statement and I and I I apologize I I cut Melanie off, but that's where I'm coming from. I don't have a problem allowing Mr. Payel through council to implement their their

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private security whether we want to deal with the hours if he says he wants to go down in the hours. Attorney Celino, but I'm not looking for that per se because it looks like as the officer said, this is a clientele that's there every day, all day. So, uh I mean, if it's escalating between 9:30 and 11 and he thinks he wants to close at 9:30, you can propose that. I'll do that for him.

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If he wants to go to 11 with his private security because it's hurting him one way or the other because he's going to pay, right? So, that's entirely up only one vote. That's where I'm coming from. I have no issues whatsoever. He's the first time here given him the opportunity to implement. He's come here in good faith and put forth a plan. It's going to it's going to hurt him in a pocketbook, right?

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It's going to be $1,200 a week. That's not going in his pocketbook. So, I got no problem with that.

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I would be perfectly fine with private security for 60 days. I don't think a police detail at the same time without seeing how this works first is necessary. And then I think like my only concern would be the overserving. So maybe I don't know if you can limit the amount of time a certain individual comes in and purchases throughout the day, but maybe if someone comes in three times a day,

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maybe not allow he's probably afraid of but you're probably afraid to say no to that.

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But you got to say no. I mean that's why I'm saying no.

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But maybe that's why the priv private security I'm saying that's why I'm going to give them the opportunity. They're here today for the first time. They know the city deems this a problem. We don't want it to escalate. We're going to give you the opportunity to control your own destiny, so to speak. And if you put the the work in and and you're not going to have a problem with us. We're not trying to put

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anybody out of business. If it continues to go go, then yeah, we're going to probably have to have, you know, happen with what what happens. Sir, I think you understand. You're a good enough businessman. You might not be the bullies that Mr. Celeno, but you're all good enough businessmen. I know that.

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you know how to run a business. You're very very successful. So, you know, to keep this business, it's going to have to be upon you to to to try to help get this thing rectified.

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Attorney, I just want to add one more thing real quick and I'll stop talking, but um I I'd mentioned to you on the phone a few months back.

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So, we have offices in a unit that are their job is for neighborhood engagement, right? So, the specific job is to go out there and deal with these problems, right? So I spoke to you on the phone and I told you and I informed you that I had I have zero issue having a relationship with you for per work purposes where there the constant people that are in there we trespass them we

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lock them up and we send them a message that they can't come back. So to everyone's point, how you solve this issue, and Mike can attest with his multitude of years of service, and Heather, how you how you deal with this issue is you build a relationship with us so that we can go there and properly enforce Massachusetts general law, kick these people out, trespass them, ban them from coming back to the

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establishment. Okay? And any issues that occur with with suspicious people or people who are coming in your establishment and trying to strongarm you, steal from you, you have to call us immediately. You It can't be this. Ah, whatever. Forget about it. I told you, you have to call us immediately. The more you call us for help, the more we're going to be there, more of a presence we're going to have, and the

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more we can hold people accountable. But without calling us, without working with us, I asked you that day for a manager's name and information. so that I can go there and trespass people. I was never provided with that information. So, it's important that we work together here to solve these issues to get the problematic people out, but we can't do that without your your help. You know

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what I mean? So, it gets frustrating on our end. We're like, another issue at Lenn's Package, though. Well, you you have to you have to work with us so that we can work with you to to reduce problems. It's very simple. You it's not it's we don't have to, you know, go crazy here. It's as it's as simple as just allowing us to come in and do our job. So long as you put up proper

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signage on the side of the building saying no loitering and you have to enforce it. People aren't leaving, call us. We'll kick them out. All right.

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Well, thank you very much because that's very well said because they got they're willing to help you and and we we got to get their handle on this for your safety and the public safety. Okay. Hearing that, I I'll entertain a motion.

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Um you want to do with the private security?

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Yes. So entertain a motion to to um make to find that Lennards will provide private security seven days a week until from 3 to 11 at his sole cost. He will also put the proper signage and work with the city of Forum regarding issues such as trespassing and so forth and so on. and that we will reschedu um a status hearing on this case for 60 days or or uh want to give them the March

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meeting. March meeting. Okay, Peter.

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Sure.

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Uh our March regularly scheduled meeting.

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Okay. Um I will make a motion um to put what is it? uh Leonard's Package store on a 90-day probationary period um to be heard again at our March meeting.

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Um they have to implement private security 7 days a week from 3:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. at their sole cost. Um work with the Fall Police Department and put up proper signage on the premises.

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Have a second to that motion.

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Second.

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Any questions on the motion? Hearing none. All those in favor? All those opposed.

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I I uh two questions in response to the vote. Um proper signage, no trespassing.

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So we want no trespassing, no loitering, no Peter, work with the city of Forever, whatever they think is necessary that they already communicated those same things.

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And you have like how far apart the signs have to be and stuff?

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No, I mean there's no there's no law indicating that, but my my personal opinion is right now if you drive down there on Pleasant Street.

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Yeah. So, there's one sign and it's near the dumpster behind the fence. Okay?

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And it's about this big.

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There should be clear signage on the walls of the property on Pleasant Street. All right? And on the and in the parking lot areas indicating no loitering, no trespassing, you know, strictly enforced, whatever. But as long as it's you drive down the street, and it should be visible and clear. Now, we have a name of a of an owner. Okay. And now we can formally trespass, lock people up, and do our job with regards

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to people loitering and trespassing on the property.

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Put one up um parking lot for customers only too.

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That way you know one of those common sense signage that he can Yeah. I didn't know if there was a requirement every 8 ft you have to have, you know, just just do his best.

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All right. And then Carrie is the meeting March 18th. That' be the third Wednesday.

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Yes.

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All right.

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He's still we got to renew his license.

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We had held up renewing his license uh attorney Selenino. Okay. Pending this.

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So, um he has all of his paperwork in.

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He's all in order. So, I'll entertain a motion to renew the the uh what what what kind of all alcohol package store license.

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All alcohol package uh store license or Lennard's package store on and what's the address? I apologize everyone. I don't have 1331 Pleasant.

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1331 Pleasant Street to Tran by Bitus Pel. Sorry. I'll make a motion to approve the all alcohol package store license for Leonard's Package store.

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Second.

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Greg, we second. He said we second. All those in favor.

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All oppose. All good.

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Okay. Thank you all.

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Good luck.

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See you in 90 days.

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Good luck.

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Call is up. We'll come over to All right. We have to do some things.

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These these are approval of late Approval of lately submitted 2026 renewal license. Common victualist.

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Subway 499 Globe Street. Subway 179 President Avenue. Subway 1500 Braton Avenue. Brazilian Takeout 8, excuse me, 384 East Main Street. Twisted Griddle 757 Robersonson Street. Go Supermarket 441 Tucker Street. Sip and Dip 2175 South Main Street. Lizzy Board and Bed and Breakfast 232nd Street. Imperial Grill and Pizza 1858 Pleasant Street.

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Puerto E. Eura Restaurant, 927 Stafford Road. Alys's Diner, 2663 South Main Street. Popeye's 933 Pleasant Street. Uh Pharaoh's Pizza, 752 Brighton Avenue.

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Pingo Steakhouse, 1858 Pleasant Street.

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Dave's Pizza 873 Globe Street. New England Pizza 345 uh Roberson Street.

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Granite Grill 36 367 Ray Street. Subway 124 Plymouth Avenue, Subway 290 Second Street. Motion to uh renew uh all those l common victual licenses.

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I'll make a motion to approve all uh late submitted 2026 common pictures renewals.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Uh have a motion in a second. Anyone in favor? Anyone opposed? Um any All in favor? All opposed? I apologize.

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I'm getting a bunch here. Class two um renewals as well, late filings. BP Auto Service Repair, Inc. 1091 South Main Street. Central City Auto Sales, 438 Second Street. Caspian Motors, 103 Broadway, Vix Auto Sales, 334 Beford Street, Cavalo's Auto, 410 Second Street. Motion to accept those late filing class 2 uh auto licenses.

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I'll make a motion to approve the following class 2 renewals.

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I have a second.

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Second. U any questions on a motion hearing? None. All those in favor? I.

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All those opposed? lodging house Lizzy board and bed and breakfast 232nd Street. I have a motion to accept the late filing for the lodging house as submitted.

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I'll make a motion to approve the lodging house for Lizzie boarding bed and breakfast.

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Second. Uh any questions on a motion hearing? None. All those in favor.

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All those opposed.

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I have a motion to adjurnn.

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I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

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Second.

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All in favor? All those opposed. Thank you everyone. Good job on this.

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I lost