9 15 2025 Community Preservation Committee

Uh welcome to the community preservation committee meeting tonight. Uh we're here at the city council hearing room, One Government Center, Fall River. It's uh September 15th, 6:00.

Uh pursuant to the open meeting laws, any person who make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any mediums. Attendees are therefore advised of such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those present are deemed acknowledged and permissible.

Uh, we'll start with roll call to my left.

Michael Faras, Chris Benabites here, Alexander Silva here, Kristen Canara Oliver here, John Brandt, James Hornsby, Rick Mancini here, BJ McDonald, and we have Joanne Bentley on Zoom. If you could just uh say your name, Joanne, a delay.

A little delay on this. Yeah.

Gentlemen Bentley um attending via Zoom.

Okay. Uh no citizen input tonight.

No.

Can I have approval for minutes from August 18th, 2025?

I'll make a motion.

Second. Second. Uh, roll call.

Michael Ferious, yes.

Chris Benites, yes. Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Cano, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hornsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Joanne,

Joan Belly. Yes.

All righty. Next, we're moving on to eligibility.

Uh tonight, our function as a committee is to uh make sure you fall in the four blocks of open space, recreation, historic preservation, and housing projects uh to meet the public uh needs for the community.

um the applicant tonight, we may ask you to come up and answer some questions. Um so if you do just give us a brief, you know, description of the project and stuff. Um one thing after we move on from this is um meeting eligibility. Uh the applications um some things people forget a lot. So we do have a cheat sheet out front, but just to uh go over a few things. letter of support from the historical

commission. Uh letter or a letter from the park department. Uh worked in the uh secretary of standards uh local historic cons uh commission. Uh historic preservation will come with a 30-year deed restriction.

Uh open space will come with a conservation restriction.

We do have a few window applicants in here tonight. Uh just letting you know that they have to meet the standards of secretariat. Uh so uh the Home Depot windows won't uh make that list and um let's see uh bank financing uh or grants will need a letter from the grantor uh saying that you do have the funds and the grants uh are going to come in. Uh we are looking for three quotes. A lot

of times we can't get three quotes but try your best to get those. Uh like I said, completed applications will be uh uh preferred. Uh some people leave a lot of things out. Uh we're not going to go this year because we do have 25 applications, $7.5 million. So those who fill the application outright will have more consideration.

Uh also things on that u the location address of the project. uh the mailing address. Uh if it's going if somebody's putting in the main contact, we need their mailing address, email, phone number um uh letters of support from boards or commissions. Um we are looking for projects that are shovel ready this year. That means when we give the okay, you're ready to start the project. Uh funding applications are

due December 2nd uh before uh noon. uh 10 copies, city hall, third floor, purchasing department.

Um like I said, we do have a cheat sheet out front, so grab one if you need it.

Um first on the list is the waterfront cultural district. Uh excuse me. I'd like to make a motion to move up a uh project for 18 Quican Street window restoration uh due to constraint by the applicant that needs to go to the city council meeting this evening.

Okay. Do I have a second?

Second.

Okay. All in favor?

Michael Ferris, yes.

Roll call. Roll call.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Benvitz, yes.

Alex, yes.

Kristen Canary, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hornsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

All right, Rick. This is a window restoration on uh 418 Quicker Shan Street. Um, we're doing 54 windows.

Shoot.

It does fall under the historic present.

Yes.

So, what is the board's uh wish on this one?

I'm still working.

Do we want um do we want the applicant to maybe explain the project or you to explain the project just so the public knows any of the details?

Uh could you come up?

everyone came.

Just a quick little about the history of the building and yeah, the window you're doing.

Yeah. Good evening. Uh my name is Nelson Rigo. I'm representing 418 Quaker Street. Uh it's a two-story mill about 41,000 square ft of finished space. Uh it was part of the uh Wapanog uh complex was about five different buildings and in 2000 it was split into separate buildings. It is in the National Register of Historic Places. It was placed in 1993. Um the building was mostly was recently purchased in 2021

and since then the owner has spent over $300,000 in improvements. Uh most of the improvements have been indoors. Uh he's created ADA compliant bathrooms, uh installed a handicap ramp, did some HVAC improvements, uh improvements in the second floor to subdivide the space better. Um it's one of the few active mills in the Flint that's uh commercial or retail instead of housing. Uh right

now there's about uh 10 tenants. We're very active anywhere from uh neighborhood laundry mat to a food market, a restaurant, um an arts, a um artist art studios and most recently a bookstore that just opened on on Friday.

Um so the goal of our project is to replace the aging windows. Uh they in very bad shape. Whenever we have a thunderstorm or a lot of rain, uh water comes through the windows. We've tried sealing as best as we could. Um, a lot of the windows don't open it anymore.

So, it's a safety issue that if somebody accidentally opens the window, especially on the second floor, it could fall to the first floor. Um, so we reached out to um HoMill in Somerset and they pointed us to a project in Providence where they had similar windows. So, those the type of windows that we're looking at uh it meets all the requirements for historic preservation. Um, I spoke with them. As

far as lead time, it's about a 12-week lead time. So, if if our project would to move forward and approved next year, we're looking for a June uh commence start of the project.

Okay. Thank you.

Any questions?

Yeah, just one question. Um, have you gone in front of the historical commission?

So, we were supposed to go tomorrow, but that meeting has been rescheduled. So we are on the agenda for the next meeting once that that date has been set.

Yeah. As soon as they can review it and go over it.

I I already submitted I emailed them the uh the package.

Great.

For them to review.

Thank you.

What's the board wish? Move approval.

I have a motion. Do I have a second?

Second under historic preservation.

Historic preservation.

Michael Farius. Yes. Chrisman. Yes.

I'm sorry.

Alexander Silva. Yes.

Kristen Pantara Oliver. Yes.

John Grant. Yes. James Hornsby. Yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

EJ McDonald, yes.

Thank you, Joanne.

Joan has.

Okay.

Maybe ask Joan first.

I was going to say Joan after we make the motion and second There's quite a time delay.

You can uh chime in when uh after you hear the motion second and we ask for the vote. You can just chime in and we'll that way we'll move a little faster.

Okay. Next up is uh waterfront cultural district uh historic preservation study falls under the historic preservation category. They want to do an in-depth uh study to uncover documents and interpretate the historic assets embedded within the district. They're looking for 25,000.

Would the board like to make a motion on this?

The applicant want to come up and say I mean we should just so that the public has a chance to hear what the projects actually are.

Rick, can you speak on behalf of that project?

Okay. Rick Mancini uh historic commission and what's happening is that there's a opportunity to get a matching funds for what's called a uh legal government funding for the waterfront cultural district which uh Fall River has been lucky enough to achieve.

There's 351 cities and towns. There's 51 cities with this waterfront cultural district uh approval. What that does, that also allows us or allows the city to get additional grant monies and accomplish a lot of wonderful things along the waterfront. Uh this cultural waterfront cultural district happens to be the largest of the 51 in the state and we have the longest water line. It

runs from pretty much the Commonwealth Landing along the waterfront over to um I guess where L's dock is and then turns around and runs up both sides of Columbia Street up the main street. What we're doing is we're looking for funding to get a concern to come in and do an evaluation, a cultural evaluation of the historic nature of the area and of the properties and then come up with some uh definition

of what's best to uh put in those facilities and and dig into the history.

Uh that's been buried for years. There's been no real deep study done of that whole area at this point.

Okay.

Thank you.

One question.

Okay. Mr. Mancini, uh, is there going to are you going will this study look at access for the public for just being there rather than commercial or some other kind of building or whatever. But but open space, green space, something like that.

Absolutely. The focus is on tourism to develop the area for tourism and our local people to come down and enjoy the waterfront. Yes, absolutely.

Thank you.

Okay. Uh question, what what kind of time frame are you looking to obtain this uh study? And two, does that um full fill any of the obligations that we need to um get additional grants from either state or federal funding?

One one will not affect the other. The other grants are would be independent.

Any other monies that we got this particular uh could be done. It's just a matter of uh making a placing a phone call and getting one of the local historic preservation uh people down to look at it and come up with a study with the results.

Thank you.

Okay. Any other questions or do I have a motion?

Motion to approve under historic preservation.

Second.

Second.

All right.

Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benvites. Yes.

Alexander Sylvia. Yes. Kristen Canara, yes.

John Brandt, yes. James Hornsby, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Rick Mancini, who will abstain.

Joanability. Yes.

All right. Thank you, Joanne.

All righty. Next. Next is a historic property survey of a bio reserve area part two. this uh open space um engage in public uh architectural lab of providence, Rhode Island to address the documented additional cultural and architectural resources in the eastern section of Fall River or to refer to as the uh bio reserve. They're looking for 80,000.

Do we want to have them come down or Yeah, please.

Good evening.

How good guys?

Good. And yourself?

Uh, for the record, uh, Paul Pearllin, the administrator of community utilities, city of Fall River. Um Michael Boss here, the buyers forester and project manager.

Uh so this project uh is a continuation um of a project that was started a while ago. I believe it might have been Alma that originally started this. Uh we want to kind of see it through to completion.

Nobody's really taken the ball on it. So uh Mike, uh decided that we should. So I'll let Mike talk to him.

Guilty is charged. So you you will recall phase one of this project um work with the historical commission and Al Lima kind of spearheaded um identifying actually it was a two prongs. It was Steepbrook and his and uh historic properties in Steepbrook. And the second uh part of it was the bio reserve. And the bio reserve being a very unique protected property of immense size uh just has lots and lots of cultural

landscape features that have have are still being in the process of discovered and uh located and um we're going to try to get as much of that sort of on the on the register as possible uh for historic protection. So PLA has done uh PAL is probably 75% done with the first uh phase of the project which was about 80 sites. I we're talking about uh everything from um old mill sites uh out

in the bio reserve um rural cemeteries um foundation sites uh just just lots and lots of different things a lot of um cultural artifacts from the CCC and things like that. um it wasn't complete.

It wasn't a complete list. As as incredible as that seems 80 80 sites is not the complete list. So what we did was did a a little more detailed inventory. Um probably have another half of that amount and um we're going to seek to have PAL finish what they started um with this last uh set of parcels of um features.

Good. Thanks.

What's the motion on the board? So I just I I have one question. So it's listed on here as historic preservation.

It's listed here as open space recreation. Is it does it fall under two?

Um we we file it as historic preservation.

Oh, okay.

It could go under both.

Okay. It it kind of could both.

And just one quick question. So, uh, you don't have to go out to bid because this is an extension of a existing public contract because you're using the existing consultants from phase one. Is that correct?

Yeah, we we would review make sure that everything follows 30B guidelines or walking curing any any type of consultant.

Motion from the board.

I'll make a motion to approve under historic preservation.

I'll second that motion. Okay, start roll call.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Benz, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Cano, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hornby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Do I build the Yes.

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks.

All right.

Next, we have the Eagle Event uh center.

Window restoration falls under historic preservation. Uh looking to replace 24 deteriorated and boarded up windows. Uh reglazing, restoring 106 historic oak finished and trans zoom windows. Utilizing uh boom lift, dumpster, repainting exterior uh frame.

They're looking for 143,4205.

You want them to have come up or want come up? Yes, please.

Just a little quick uh two minute.

Oh, no worries. How are you?

Just state your name.

Oh, Christopher Donovan, 132 Albian Street, Fall River, Mass.

just to tell us a little about the the history of the building and just what you're going to do.

So, the Eagle was built in 1929 as a Chinese restaurant and it's been through a few hands as the years go by and about 16 years ago we took it over.

Could you speaking of the mic?

Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Thank you.

About 16 years we took it over and we we started preserving it piece by piece and now we're up to the windows. It was a Chinese restaurant. Like I said, it was in its day. It was all for the highass people of Fall River. People would come from Newport all over. It was one of our staple buildings of the downtown. We're trying to bring that all the way back to

exterior so people could see what it was in the 30s.

Okay.

Motion for the board.

Quick question. What's the name of the restaurant? The Chinese restaurant.

The Eagle. The Eagle. It was the Eagle.

That's what I thought.

Yes. in 1930 as Oh, sorry.

I would have went on, right?

Go ahead.

I I'll make motion to approve under uh historical restoration.

I'll second.

Okay. Ro.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Benabites, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Christine Canter Oliver, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hornsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Thank you guys.

Thank you.

Have a great night.

You too.

Joan Bellas.

Thank you, Joanne.

Yeah, wait for Joan.

Uh, let's see. Next is Fall River Deakons Home uh under historic preservation looking to restore and paint exterior large porch and wood trim. They're looking for 100,000.

You come up and just give a brief All right.

Maybe what the use of the building is too would be nice for people to know.

Sure. Good evening. My name is Hilda Monise. As you said, from the Fall River Deaconist home. We currently own five properties in the historical district um of the Highlands. The pro the building that we are looking for funding today is a group home for adolescent youth. We've been in the community for approximately 55 years. um starting with one building on French continued to grow. So the

building we've been able to maintain most of our buildings without requesting for funds. This building needs a full exterior paint and a lot of the trim work. So there is the original porch that's on the corner of Rock and Prospect which needs a lot of repairs um for the safety. We're currently not using the porch again to make sure everyone is safe, but wood trim throughout the building on the exterior

needs to be repaired and replaced. We've been able to do some of the work ourselves. We have a maintenance team, but the property this sized really requires more intensive work. We have replaced a roof, red cedar shingles.

We've done some of the work. Um so again it's to paint the full exterior, repair the woodwork and maintaining as it said pre preservation.

Okay.

Now you said uh that that house is actually housing too, right?

Yes, it's for adolescent youth. So you could be historic preservation and housing.

And house Oh, you fall into it makes you a little better.

Oh, thank you.

I have a quick question. Um again, I think that's a excellent point. If whenever any applicant is going for this, if they can uh get into at least one, well, they have to have one bucket.

If they can get to two buckets, like in this one, historical and for housing, uh that's a bonus to it. The other thing I would recommend on all of these applications when you're getting uh quotes is really to write a a solid proposal or what a scope of work it's going to be. And so you can compl you can compare apples to apples. I went through your application where we're not

going through the full thing, but that's another thing that I would suggest every applicant go and do is make sure that what you're asking for, you're comparing apples to apples between your contractors and that you know it's not just one coat of paint for this this contractor and two coats of paints on that. It's what you write out as your scope of work. Um, and that way you know

you can get the best price on that. And then also the thing that you want to look at is the reason we typically ask for three contracts is so that you can look at the high, you can look at the low and we're it should be somewhere in the middle of those. And uh this particular application there was I noticed there was some discrepancies to that. So but uh that goes for everybody who's applying for these.

Yeah, that was definitely a concern. We had the really high and the really low which was Yeah. Where where's the truth?

Exactly.

Yeah. So, all right. Uh, motion from the board.

Motion to approve under historic preservation.

Second.

We're going to add housing.

Housing.

Housing.

Okay.

Okay. Second.

Okay. May I actually May I ask a question?

If the application's already put in for just historical, we can check it off.

You can check it off. I just wanted to make We just did.

Yeah.

So, anybody else that's out there that has historical and has a housing component to that, make sure that you check it off as well. So, um everything is even. Stephen funds have to support housing though too. Um if if you're using the housing category, which I think a porch would for for your but we can get into that.

And um just make sure in your full application you also add that route to it.

Thank you.

All right. So second motion to approve historic preservation and community housing and second.

Second. Okay.

Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benvites. Yes.

Alexander Silly. Yes.

Christine Oliver. Yes.

John Brandt. Yes.

James Hornby. Yes.

Rick Mancini. Yes.

BJ McDonald. Yes.

Thank you.

Oh, we don't.

Just in case.

Bentley. Yes.

Thank you.

I mean, she's still Yeah.

Next, we have a first congressional church historic preservation uh expense related to two phases of large building envelope project exterior structure reporting and repair of granite four-story bell tower and attached octagon stairwell. requesting funding to cover 100% of the cost of repairing the bell tower north wall and 50% of the cost of the repairing the bell tower on the west wall. They're looking for 38,500.

Hi, Gary Fernandes from First Congregational Church and I'm Abby Mcuain from the church as well.

Uh so we currently have an ongoing uh project this year uh for 2025 spending will be approximately $1.3 million.

Um there's a scope of the project uh the initial scope that was developed by uh T2 Architecture and Structures North uh in Boston. Uh it's just over about a $4 million project. Uh this year we've uh you know once you start peeling back the onion a little bit, we're we're probably uh around $300,000 to $400,000 over where we thought we would be at the end of this year. Uh but we're making uh

substantial progress. Uh our goal for this year was uh to make the facility watertight. Uh we had uh the main tower project and uh the Northrex area, we had water coming into the building and causing some damage. Um that's been that's been 100% addressed right now and we're working on exterior structural uh right now. U when the weather is too cold to work on the exterior, the contractor will be moving inside and we

have uh a structural repair in the two stair towers, some beams to be replaced uh and a ceiling to be replaced uh in the northrex which was damaged by the water ingress. Um, so this probably going to be a 3 to five year scope of this project to get it all to get it all done. Next year we've got the work teed up.

Okay. I would suggest uh in your application you put uh the amount that you spent so far because you guys done a lot of work there. So it's nice to highlight that in your application. That way we know you're committed to it, too.

Uh just have a few questions. Um, we actually have two churches on that street that are going through renovations right now. And um, have you applied for CPC uh, funds at all for this particular project or where have most of your funds come from uh, associated with the work that's getting done right now?

So, Abby can speak to some of the grants that we've applied for. We haven't been successful uh in any of those grants, but we do have now some positive feedback from from one of the one of the grants that next year we will be getting sounds very positive we'll be getting uh some funds from them. Uh we've as a church have kind of stayed away from the the grant arena. Uh years ago we were

working on a grant. We didn't have a good grant writer. We have Abby now. Uh but there was a lot of strings attached to the grant that we were going for and the church council voted against against accepting the $50,000 grant at that time. Uh Abby stepped up and has done a phenomenal job identifying uh different resources for us to apply to and that kind of thing. The project right now is 100% self-funded.

Yeah. The reason I say that we have several church projects and uh I I feel personally just that the ones that are most successful, they have some type of a business plan or some way to try to fund this because these do get quite expensive and the last thing you want to see is a project stop go stop go because it just costs later on more money to um I can give you some background some

background on that. So, uh, we've been It's okay. You don't This is just a This is just a Yes. Yes. So, we get into that more as you go on.

That's more like a question for the funding the funding round. So, like have that kind of answers prepared for you when you're fill your full application.

All right. So, do I have a motion to motion to approve?

A second with as historical.

I second roll call.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Christopher, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Kent Oliver, yes.

John Barrett, yes.

James Hornsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

All right. Thank you very much.

Oh, Joanne, yes.

Thanks. Thank you very much.

Let's see. Next is Shane Shane Landing LLC Historic Preservation. Uh they're restore and replace the 40 plus uh first floor windows and pond and Anan Street and original entrance on Anowan Street.

Uh they're looking for 350,000.

Hello.

Hello. My name is Patricia Todd and I'm I'm the owner of the property. My family has owned it for over 60 years. My family were sewing factories in Fall River since 1936.

Um the projects that we're working on is um 1041 Street. It's a 2000 2,000 square foot mill building. It's American Printing Building number six.

It was the last one built for American Printing. Uh we've been working on restoring it. I spent $900,000 on a new roof. Same stories as the other guys were saying. We terrible leaks. The windows, terrible leaks. They all need to be replaced. Um, we also last year, just finishing up this month, restored the adjoining building, which is the original horses and carriages that move

the cotton up and down the area. And you you'll see pictures of that in the original picture that you see everywhere in the mayor's office, etc. Um, we restored that barn. So, we restored the windows, the barn doors. They were mahogany. Um, we we replaced some steel doors with restored mahogany doors. It's gorgeous. It's my favorite building. Um, it's also in the center of the Fall

River Waterfront Cultural District. It's right in the center. It's right near the narrows. And, uh, what I'm asking for for today is to focus on the first floor windows. I have quotes on doing all the windows and that's just abominable at this point. So, what I'm requesting is help with the first floor windows, and it's at least 40. We're not sure if we would do all the way around or just Pawn

Street and Anowan Street. We also just received a letter from the mayor that they're going to be um paving Pawn Street and redoing all those sidewalks, which is right where my building is. So, I'm requesting approval. This is my architect, Andrew. Sorry.

Yes. My name is Andrew Barkley. with RGB Architects out of Providence. And I'm supposed to help Pat, but she doesn't need much help.

No.

All right.

All right. Do we have a motion from the board?

I'll make a motion to approve under historic preservation.

I'll second that motion.

Okay. Roll call.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Pedabites, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Canter, yes. Dan Brandt, yes.

James Hornsby, yes. Rick Manceni, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Julia building your All righty. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Next up is for historical uh society.

Oh, no. Excuse me. Maritime Museum at Battleship Cove. Sorry about that. Uh that falls under historic preservation.

Primary focus is preservation and possible restoration of the historic windows. They're looking for 300,000.

Shoo.

How we doing?

Good afternoon. Chris Nardy, Battleship Cove.

Just a Okay. We're looking to um replace andor renovate the windows at the Maritime Museum focusing on Water Street and Anowan Street. Um, I say either or because we just recently found some of the existing or the original sashes in the basement and on the third second floor. So now we're need to do a further study to see what of those can be restored and which ones need to be

disposed of. So it's kind of up in the air in terms of um how many total replacements have to be done versus what can be repaired of the original.

Okay.

I have a motion.

So, um, is the extent of the scope for your project the windows because just the wording in your, uh, application was a little vague. Um, okay. So, there's a little bit more than So, the in terms of the front, we have the entrance. We're not exactly, you have to do more research to see what that looked like historically. We have the what we call the barn doors on the second floor that allowed um, movement

of material to the second floor. Not exactly sure if those are original. I think they are. Um and the window company wasn't sure, one of the quotas wasn't sure that they could address those doors. So that's something we have to look at further. And then um everything else is just up, you know, second floor windows, first floor windows, all to be done in phases. But we want to focus right now on the front,

which would be Water Street, and then the north side, which is Anowan Street.

Okay. Well, well, this this proposal has it broken down um the north side, south side, east side, and it's exactly how many windows total are you looking at for 300,000? Because if you're just going to do believe it's the west side, which is the main entrance, correct? So, that that's not I don't know the total number of windows off the top of my head, but the the 300,000 is just like I said to prioritize the front

of the building.

on Water Street and and as much as we can on the north on the on um Anowan Street.

Yeah, I would I would make that perfectly clear because that's not what this application has right here because what what I'm looking at um again very similar to the the last applicant is the number of windows you're trying to accomplish and and I think it's a good project, but I it's not for me to say, but I think you have to have a clear statement of this is the money, this is

how much we're going to get done because ultimately at the end of the day, somebody from this team is going to have to go out and approve the work that's been done or at least how much has been done to release the funds. So, we just need to make that clear because it it seems what you're saying now is a little bit different than what is in the the package.

Well, it's just the eligibility round.

So, it's going to change as he goes on the final application.

Do we have a motion?

I'll make a motion that we approve.

Second.

Under historic preservation.

That's eligibility under historic.

Okay. Roll call.

Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benes. Yes.

Alexander Silva. Yes.

Kristen Canar Oliver. Yes.

John Brent. Yes.

James Hornsby. Yes.

Rick Mancini. Yes.

Joan Bentley. Yes.

BJ McDonald. Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, next Historical Society uh falls under uh historic preservation exterior restoration.

They're looking for 582,735, but they do have matching funds. The total projects 3.5. We'll let uh Michael tell us about that.

Caroline, just a brief evening question.

Michael Martins Fman for Historical Society. Caroline Aubin, Fall River Historical Society.

Well, good evening. We're looking for funds to continue with the exterior restoration uh project on the museum building, which is the finest preserved French Second Empire structure in the city. All of this work is being done in accordance with directive of our master plan. We had a master preservation plan.

And to date, the historical society has raised slightly under $3 million from outside sources for the restoration of the building. and we'd like to continue with the exterior restoration that is currently underway.

Okay.

Motion from the board.

I'll make a motion to approve the application as eligible under historic preservation.

I'll second.

Roll call.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Pabites, yes.

Alexander Sylvia, yes.

Kristen Canara Oliver, yes.

John Brent, yes. James Hornsby, yes.

Eligible.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Joe. Yes.

All right. Thank you guys.

Thank you.

Next up is uh proprietor's way and parcelled W-15-000073 land protection uh to establish a clear permanently protected unusual parcels of uh forest land 34.9 acres recording a uh deed document for parcel or subject to articles 97 local for 25. Is this the same parcel as last year that came off the table?

I don't think so. No, that I think is the one from last and this falls under open space.

Yeah. No, so our prior proposal had a large number of parcels that we put the deed covenants over article 97. uh this pos was not part of that uh was not part of that whole entire uh I forget the exact name for it but the covenant seed that that overrid article 97 yeah the uh overrid the all the apostles so this isn't a separate piece uh that we would like to put article 97 protection on

motion for the board I I just have a question just for the uh general public what's the overall goal goal of u completing this uh what would it how is it going to be beneficial to I guess the community at a whole? So, so the uh Mike Labos, your water department um the the bio reserve is this large landscape level, you know, land protection. Um and you you know, we've

had a couple of CP CPC, you know, uh supported projects in the past. Um and the map shows uh this is colorcoded to show what has been protected. So, we're sort of in this final phase, if you will. This is this is connecting habitat. This is connecting watershed property. So this is kind of this and the reason why we say it's kind of a it's kind of a unusual one in that one

of the parcels is five miles long. So when you know uh again just kind of uh buttoning up some of the protected parcels that have yet to be um uh protected sufficiently.

Yeah. And and just to note this is not an acquisition of the parcel. is just placing a uh covenants over the deed that of for article 97 protection.

Okay.

Thank you. So we had a motion and a second.

Motion to approve eligibility under open space and recreation. I'll second that motion. Roll call. Michael, yes. Chris, yes.

Alexander Sylvia, yes.

Kristen Canara, yes.

John Br, yes.

James Hinesby, yes.

Rick Manceni, yes. BJ McDonald. Yes.

Go building. Yes.

All right. I'm going to stay there because you're up next. Uh, next is Samson Samson parcel land protection acquire and permanently protect from development with 10 acre Samson parcel located agenda to the Anarandac farm on the west side of the Blossom Road and eastern Fall River. We're looking for 820,000.

Thank you very much. So this uh as you mentioned was a parcel that's uh directly adjacent to the Aderondac farm that the water department purchased uh with CPC fundings as well as state preservation uh and uh ARPA funds that were provided by the uh city council uh through Bristol Bristol County ARPA. So, um, this parcel is a, uh, is a one of the remaining parcels, very few remaining parcels that's privately owned

that, uh, goes all the way down to the Northwood Matapa Pond. Um, and with it be being directly adjacent to the Aderondac farm, which will be starting some of the, uh, restoration work out there very shortly. um you know this would really couple nice with that for that uh bio reserve discovery center area that we're uh that we're you know creating out there. Uh we are looking at a partner with this uh so we have

reached out to them um to potentially work with us as you know the uh other partners in the bio reserve trustees of the reservation DCR uh and the uh fish and wildlife. So, uh, they're all great partners in their, uh, in with this in helping us with the discovery center and, uh, everything else out of the bio reserve.

Okay. Uh, quick question. Uh, was this the one that was tabled last time because the the person who was selling it wasn't quite sure if they were going to sell it?

Yeah, correct. And we we're still at that point. Uh, yeah, we heard earlier about your December second deadline for the funding round. So, uh, we'll be seeing, you know, working with that property owner to see whether we can come to a resolution, but again, seeing this as eligibility round, that's why it's in front of you.

Okay. Thank you.

I have a quick question.

So, in the application, it says purchase price has yet to be determined, but you're requesting $820,000.

So what's Yeah. Yeah. So that so that's based on a on um some discussions we had and sort of a ballpark number we were working with, but we're hoping to we need to get it reappraised and that's I'm hoping is a conservative high number.

Okay.

I'll make a motion to move the application forward from the eligibility round under open space and recreation.

Speak to the motion after a second. Roll call. Michael Ferris, I want to speak to the motion. I have a question. Okay.

Um, you I think you said this, but um this is this is a very important building. Yes.

This Yeah, this is a very important acquisition.

Um and are we getting help from other places in acquiring it?

Yeah. So again, as we put together the full package, um if we're able to negotiate, we'll also be looking for other sources of fundings. Again, the other partners that we have, uh being, you know, trustees and DCR, if they have available funding to be able to, uh to be able to match part of it, uh that's something that would be requested and that would reduce the the $820,000.

Yes. The amount, you know, that would be supplied by CP PC. Let's try very hard because we have less than a we have about a third of the money that um is available that has been requested.

That's my that's my top of the head.

Don't correct my math, John.

Okay.

But um but and I would say that to the other folks too as well. Thank you. We we we now may vote. All righty. Thank you Jim.

Michael Ferris. Yes, we made a second. We did get a second.

Yeah.

Right.

Chris Benvites. Yes.

Alexander Sylvia. Yes.

Kristen Canara Oliver. Yes.

John Brandt. Yes.

James Hornsby. Yes.

Rick Mini. Yes.

BJ McDonald. Yes. And Joan.

Joan Belly. Yes.

Okay.

All right. Um, next is the F River Waterworks Complex repair shed number 12. Rehab repair criteria 1930 era repair shed number 12 will be converted from repair shed to a cold storage building. It will continue be used for storage of equipment and material used in maintenance and stewardship of water department assets such as WPA reservation wershed forest land dams tanks yards storm water swailes and

other green infrastructures. Uh it's under historic preservation for 450.

Yeah. So, this is uh the garage building directly across the street from our maintenance building uh at 1620 Bedford Street uh just uh to the uh opposite side from the 1875 water tower. Uh again, uh this was uh was in front of the commission last year, did go through eligibility uh and wasn't wasn't funded. Uh we we have been searching for alternate fundings to do some of this work. Uh and I believe we

uh by the time funding round comes around uh we may have found an alternate source for some of this work. So by funding round we'll probably be back here with a reduced scope uh seeing that we have we have alternate funding that we found.

Okay. Do we have a motion?

I'll make since we already approved this last year and determined it was eligible. I just make a motion that it's eligible eligible again under historic preservation.

Second. Okay. Roll call.

Michael Ferish. Yes. Chris Benviz, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Christine Canara Oliver, yes.

John Brent, yes.

James Hornsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

DJ McDonald, yes.

I'm smiling, Paul, because the doors are still stock white.

Answer.

Thank you.

They are.

All righty. Next. Uh, that's a good color. I know. Uh, public uh repair station and wash house for Anarondac Farm Bio Reserve Discovery Center. This goes under uh open space recreation.

No, just recreation.

Oh, recreation. Okay. Yeah, recreation.

Um let's see. To construct a comfort and bicycle repair station at the Anderondac farm bio reserve discovery center.

They're looking for 850,000. Just brief description.

Yeah. No, definitely. So, uh the bio reserve discovery center, the old aderondac farm off of Blossom Road.

Again, we're hoping to make that the gateway to the uh bio reserve uh as well as an educational center for people to be able to uh to go out there, visit schools and stuff like that. Um we did a master plan for the whole entire site.

Uh this was included within the master plan. So, this would be a separate out house building that would house uh men's and women's rooms uh as well as a small picnic area. And uh the mountain biking out in the buyer reserve has really uh gone up drastically. So, this would have a bike repair station and maintenance station as well at that location.

Okay. So, there's a couple other things in that. Okay. Good.

Is this the probably question for later, but just real quick, is it contingent on the sale of that other parcel to be able to do this now?

No, this is fully on on the parcel that we already have.

Board have a motion. I'll make a motion to move the application forward through the eligibility round under the recreation category.

I'll second roll call.

Michael Ferris, yes. Chris Bides, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Canter Oliver, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hornby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

DJ McDonald, yes.

Join.

All right. Thank you guys.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you.

Next up is Abbott Court Sensory Playground uh under recreation.

Construct a new playground catering to sensory needs of children with autism uh spectrum disorder and other developmental disabilities. They're looking for 400,000.

Yes. Hi. Uh my name is Marcel Riley.

Um Studio Ala, director of city operations.

All right. myself, you'd probably be the best to describe what you want to do with that park because it is different than any other park.

Yeah. Uh, absolutely. It's um right now it's an open space. It's uh it was to it was an old playground that was torn down through safety reasons and um we started a petition to turn it transarm into a century all-incclusion park, you know, with um autism kids community in mind.

Um, we're looking to uh start something that we don't have in it forever. Like we don't have one of these and it just meets a need for the community, the autism community. Um, and it's an all-inclusion park. It won't just be for the autism community be for everybody.

And the city was already looking to do something with that park. It's an idea that has caught caught a lot of um you know we we got a lot of backing with all with uh teachers the um special education ABA counselors they've all come out in full support Mayor Kugan the mayor's office and uh yeah sounds good u just a couple of questions for you um as a landscape architect do

you guys have somebody who is designing for this specifically for not just the ADA uh accessibility Yep. We um we're working with stock architects right now and um we're waiting on a few renderments.

Companion, you know, it's going to be we're going to look for three bids obviously when when the project is underway, but um we're waiting on the renderments, but we already started some preliminary talks and uh some of the ideas are just great, you know.

Yeah. Just because I I'm looking at the budget on this portion of it. I've done over a 100 parks and stuff like that. I don't do any work in Fall River specifically. Um but it's something where I think it's needed here and also that um just kind of coming through and understanding what the cost of these types of projects are. So um well all right they did one in uh Portsmouth recently right it just opened

up that had a price tag of about 800,000.

um this this help this this grant would be a foundation for us to start what our vision is you know to it would be a great start for that and we got fundraising that we got planned for this I mean it's it's not going to be done overnight but um I think we can do it you know with the support we got out there I think it's feasible it's good to hear that you're talking

about phasing a project of this nature develop your master plan understand the bigger picture of it and then figure out how you can do it in digestible portions of Yeah.

Okay. Motion from the board.

I'll make a motion that we approve this project under open space and recreation.

I second the motion.

Roll call.

Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benabites. Yes.

Alexander Silva. Yes.

Kristen Canara Oliver. Yes.

John Brandt. Yes.

James Hornsby. Yes.

Rick. Rick.

I'm sorry. Rick Mancini. Yes.

PJ McDonald. Yes.

Joy Millie.

All right. Next, we have uh Maplewood Park.

Thank you.

Riffman Park. You guys might want to just Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just Okay. Uh Maplewood Park, Griffin Park, Highland Park, North Park, Cho Park, Ruggles Park, and Lafayette Park. Under recreation, resurface cracks, aging basketball, pickle ball, tennis, and hopscotch courts at variety public parks and playgrounds. They're looking for 300,000.

Good evening everyone. Al Olivera, director of city operations and I have uh Darren um Maderas from he's the interimm parks director at this point.

Uh there is a need uh we definitely need some uh assistance with some of these uh locations and resurfacing would take care of a lot of safety issues at this point.

Just uh just a couple questions. I see in the application here that you have all of these parks in here, but the reality your um quotes are really just for Maple and Griffin Park. Uh is there something above and beyond that we don't have in here or is it just for those this quote right now?

We have been gathering some of the quotes at this point, but they're they're we those are ongoing. they're coming in at the time at the same time and you're looking to cap at like 300,000 thinking it would apply across the then the other thing like I mentioned before uh just having a clear scope because when I went through these um again one application was one layer the other one was two that type of

scenario and it did it did make a huge difference between uh two of the quotes of 40,000 to 25,000 so just apples you think that stuck only the quotes we could get at the time yeah That's fine.

We'll work on I know what you're saying.

Yeah, we're definitely working on that.

We're We just We just wanted to make sure that we we eligibility at this point.

Thank you.

Um motion of the board.

I'll make a motion to approve under open space and recreation eligibility.

I'll second.

Roll call.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Benedites, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Christine Canara Oliver, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hornby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes. BJ McDonald. Yes.

Joan Belly. Yes.

All righty. Next, we're at the Kennedy Park Pathway Resurfacing. Uh, recreation resurface crack aging primary concrete pathways and remove underutilized secondary pathway at John F. Kennedy Memorial Park. Uh, looking for 3278 327,29 again. And so the largest the largest park in the city uh 57 acres um 1868 park very valuable to the city um very utilized throughout the year and those

walkways are just in in bad condition and we want to revive those.

Okay. Just a comment. Uh this had come across our table for last year's funding and so um the question I would have and I think it was actually presented last year as well or last funding round is perhaps this is a this is a really large number and there is a need for this this work to be done. Perhaps maybe start to look at it as a phasing opportunity when you do your application. With that I

yield.

Absolutely. I mean, anything anything to just start getting that um those walkways in better condition.

Okay.

I had one comment. So, with this this park, Kennedy Park being in Homestead Park, as well as two other parks, North Park and Ruggles Park, I'm I'm assuming you're going to go before the historical commission as well.

We will with Okay.

With that being said, can she can they also apply as historical? Not only just open space and wreck, but as historical.

It depends.

Okay.

Depends on the scope of the work and what they're going to do and if it's part of the original plan.

Thank you.

Hi. Um, just a quick question. I know uh the last application had different parts of the scope that aren't included in this year's uh version of the application. So, uh, it's just a carryover question from last year understanding what the scope was last year and if it's changed for this. When you say remove underutilized secondary pathways at the park, um, I know previously you were talking about

removing Mstead designed pathways. Um, is that the same pathways you're talking about removing cuz that would not be eligible and also not allowed because there's deed restrictions with the state on that park to prevent that.

So, we we would take that into consideration. However, there are roads that lead right into a fenced in area.

I remember last time there was the path that was next to the baseball field and you were thinking of correct removing the path to fix the baseball field which would not be eligible just to be clear. Um so as you're developing the application just be sure that any removal if it removes an Mstead like a historical feature of the park that will not be eligible. Um and you should just kind of

prevent it I guess ahead of time.

Sure. I mean, someone's already done it.

I just want to let you know it it it the road goes right into the outfield and and then another go go goes on the other side of the field.

I'm guessing it wasn't with CPA funds, though, right?

Okay.

Okay.

Motion from the board.

I motion to approve under the open space recreation.

It's under three, open space, recreation, and historic preservation.

Okay.

So, we have to take the historic preservation off, you're saying? No, not necessarily. It depends what pathways if if they're like the Mstead pathways or you know if it's like a newer So we we hit all three marks then.

Correct.

Yeah. Yes.

Okay. We had a motion. Do we have a second?

Second.

And it is under all three categories.

Recreation preservation.

Roll call.

Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benvites. Yes.

Alexander Silva. Yes.

Kristen Canara Oliver. Yes.

John Brandt. Yes.

James Hornby. Yes.

Rick Mancini. Yes. DJ McDonald. Yes.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys.

Joan Belly. Yes.

All right.

Next we have St. John's the Baptist.

Okay.

Uh St. St. John's the Baptist following the historic preservation painting interior walls and ceiling and uh uh main seating area entry vestible and choir loft. We're looking for 98,300.

Um good evening. My my name is Ehore Slovici. I'm a trustee at St. John the Baptist Church here in Full River. So we're we're looking to paint the interior of the church. Uh the last time it was painted was about 35 years ago.

Um, and so the paint now is fading and it's cracking. We also are seeing in some areas where this plaster the paint is actually peeling off the plaster. So that'll be included as patching those areas and then putting on just a fresh coat of paint both on um the walls and the ceiling. Uh the interior is is we measured it's about 21 ft high. So it's it's a little it's going to be a little

bit of work um for the for whoever does the painting.

Okay. Uh we have done some great work with you folks.

Thank you.

Um but with CPC money uh the money cannot be used for insight projects that the general public can't see. In the past we've denied like St. An's plaster paint uh cuss at the um uh man murals we denied because the general public can't get in to see them and it is general public's money. So, right.

Um, leave it up to the board on a motion to deny and I I move to deny really regret the uh I'm going to speak to it first. I really regret that it's that we but it's not eligible. Part of this is that we don't have the funding to go into the insides. As I said earlier, even just doing outsides, we're really low on money compared to what we we what the city needs.

Right.

And um I might come over with a paintbrush, but I that but I I can't vote for it. So I am seconding the motion.

Excuse me, please, but I'm not pastor Father Michael, but the church is open today. I can't hear you. Would you come forward?

Can you come up?

Hi. Uh, Father Michael, the pastor of St. John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church here in Full River. Uh, you says, you said, uh, it's impossible because nobody can come inside, they see it.

It's possible because we open for the services. Even if somebody would like to see what's what's is inside uh we can go and open then you we will have like a tour and they would like to come inside the church. It's no problem.

Yeah. Um it's just one of those has to be like open daily, you know. So I don't know if that would fall in your realm of doing so.

Um so in the past and so the the legislature has you know evolved over the years as case law has been established and stuff. Uh previously uh to qualify into the historic preservation category it was strictly uh restricted to only exterior. Uh and that was the the logic was that's the most beneficial to the public. Um, I believe in recent years there's been changes where if the spaces inside are open to

the public, historic preservation funds are eligible. That was I think the discussion we had for the art association with the interior bathroom, which I was actually arguing against against the interior. Um, so really I believe it is technically eligible from past precedent that we've established so far. Um it's just you'll run into the the argument of what is a greater uh use benefit to the public you know you know

the limited number of people who would be inside versus outside versus then you know you compare that to any of the other projects that are before us understand what might contribute to that is that it it's not you don't have free access to the facility you know it would be you'd have to get get permission someone would have to unlock for you the freedom of movement is is not available and I think

that's what sort of tightens up that criteria unfortunately.

Okay. So we have a motion then second we don't have a motion yet.

No, no one made the motion.

I moved motion to deny. Okay. Do we have a second?

It's tough because it's it's a gray area.

It is.

It's a very nice area. I'm just going what we've done in the past.

If I could if I could if I could just Mr. Chairman, um would it be in order to accept at this moment and then with further discussion and investigation we could then determine?

Wow. If we go by further, I mean St. ans the other people that we denied we wouldn't be following our precedent.

It was a precedent that we did set. I mean so I mean it'd be like no I mean I visited St. An's not too long ago had a wonderful tour and you know they've got million what looked like a million dollars worth of interior work.

Yeah I mean that's my that's my guess not and it's it's it's a feel-good project. I'd like to do it but under our it's nice small wood church over 100 years old you know it's not like St. An a huge one so you have you have to have a lot of m it's just a little bit something to help us was was the rule when St. ends and other projects for the interior design.

It had already started uh made that was under the interior exception.

Yeah.

That al uh Alex Yeah. We still decided that so the president even with the interior discussion point was denied.

Yeah. Quick question.

Sorry. One one follow. Did we feel did the board previously feel like they had enough information to make that call or or would the better pathway have been to accept and then learn more to figure out whether or not it could be accepted uh with funds? Does that make sense?

Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, when it's open to the general public, I mean, that's Well, I I guess I understand the criteria that was laid out by Alex. I guess I don't know enough about your establishment and I don't know that we have enough time to learn it is my is my point. Yeah.

So, I don't feel comfortable denying or accepting at this point. Um, but if I had the if I had the choice, I would prefer to accept to learn more with more time.

Is it possible to table this one?

Well, if if we if we can't table it now, I mean, why?

I mean, you could table it if you want and then bring it back up in October. I mean, what what if what if we were hypothetically to approve it and they're knowing this is the criteria associated with it still they may not get the funding at the end of the day. We only have so much in our kitty. Then the other question I would have is you you just gave the the example of the B River

Arts Association and and I apologize I might have it wrong but is it the Fiser building that is the historical that you did all on Cherry Street? Um, didn't you do a bunch of interior stuff to that as well?

That was housing.

That was under that was under housing and preservation.

That was not interior.

Okay.

No, that was windows and things like that. It still wasn't interior.

Okay.

And the art association. So, the art association also does a lot of public events. A lot of them are free. So, there's a public a different sort of a benefit.

Sure. May I go ahead? I I I suggest well my my thoughts are that we just move it forward as eligible based on past pre most recent past precedent um because we did I think two years ago approve the handicap bathroom for the our association and I think even a handicap bathroom for this very church um we said was eligible. So I would suggest we move it forward is eligible uh pending clarification on uh

public uh being o open to the general public. Um I don't know if you have hours posted but I believe there has to be set hours at least some point during the week that the public can access it.

So I mean I I think that's how the art association got through that. Um, but I wasn't the one who was point person on that and I know we got an official opinion from the community preservation coalition who does advice us I think give us advice. I think Stuart Saginor the consultant was the one who told us that it was acceptable and then it was just pending the best use of public

money for the greatest impact for the plus that was a handicap accessible which proceeds.

So that's why we did that. So, so would it make sense to utilize the consultant for an opinion on this before it's voted on as far as what the president is if the president has changed with the state or is that not even That's what I'm saying.

That's why I'm saying if we table it just for one month to get clarification it's you know I mean they've already started the application so all they really would need to get is the make a motion. I'll make a motion to table this until our next meeting to give us time to find out from the coalition um in the law department should just ask.

Okay.

I I'll second that motion. Okay. Roll call.

Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benites. Yes.

Alexander Silva. Yes.

Kristen Caner Oliver. Yes.

John Brandt. No.

James Hinesby. Yes. To table.

Rick Mancini. Yes.

DJ McDonald. Yes.

To my building. Yes.

Okay.

Put you on October's agenda.

Okay. Do Do you know what the date is of that?

It's the third uh Monday.

Third Monday. Okay.

Thank you so much.

Thank you very much. You're welcome.

Next is the Cathedral of St. Mary's of Assumption Bell Tower. Preserve and uh protect bell tower. Proposed project will wreck scaffolding with work platforms at seven and a seven uh seven levels around the bell tower for sides up to the top of the bell tower. Cut out all crack loose or missing joint uh granite, stone, masonary, minimum depth of 1 in and point with a matching color tooling wash down all the granite,

stone, masonary and joints and restoration cleaners. Uh falls under historic preservation for 1.25 25 I mean 125,000. Great.

Thank you for your time tonight. My name is Joe Harrington. I'm the vice chancellor for the Dasis of Fall River.

Hi, good evening. Shauna Ericson Florio with the Catholic Foundation of Southeastern Massachusetts.

So, we're we're applying for $125,000 in funding under the historical preservation category. Um St. Mary's Cathedral was designed by the famous architect Patrick Keelley. Uh Patrick Keelley has designed over 600 churches including St. Mary's down in in Newport.

Um the cathedral was dedicated in 1855 and was added to the National Historic Register in 1983.

The project that we're asking for funding for tonight would be to repair the uh masonry and stonework of the four sides of the bell tower up to the top of the Belelfrey. We're asking for $125,000.

The entire tower project is budgeted at $645,000 and is the next phase in a multi-phaseed project to do the uh cathedral. We've already done over half a million dollars in work to the uh clear uh clear story windows and lancet windows on the outside and the um lighting and electrical work on the interior of the church.

Do I have a motion from the board?

Motion to approve under historic preservation.

Second, Alex has Michael Ferris, yes. Chris Benvitz, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Canara, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hunsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

DJ McDonald, yes.

Millie. Yes.

All right. Thanks. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

All right. Next is the city of Fall River Bells and tower relocation, design of a new bell tower, including a state-of-the-art digital brain control uh landscaping, lighting design, tower construction, bell insulation, site landscaping. Uh, this falls under historic preservation looking for 500,000.

Good evening. For the record, my name is Dan Aguar. I'm the director of engineering and planning for the city of Fall River. This proposal before you is for the relocation and reconstruction of the bell tower servicing the original city hall bells that were put into storage about two years ago. You may all recall they were directly across the street on Third Street at the corner of the property owned by Anthony Cado.

Approximately two years ago, we had looked at restoring the actual metal frame structure that was there. Uh the Verden group, who is a nationally renowned bell company, historically in the United States, came out, looked at the bells, came up with an estimate for restoration of that project. I believe funding was requested, but I don't think it was granted uh through one of my predecessors, Bill Kenny. I think it was

about $63,000, I think, to repair.

Yeah. Um, since that time it was determined that the restoration of that structure was no longer feasible and in that in fact the owner of the property asked us to remove the belts because they were now becoming a hazard. I mean these things were barely the frame, not the bells. The bells are last forever.

Um, but the framework was was bad. You could actually poke metal, you know, your finger through the the metal post of this. So the building department um actually out of their funding had the belts removed and they've been in storage uh ever since at the DCM yard created wrapped up. So for the last year or two we had contemplated different locations to put them in in what form and fashion. We had actually thought of

maybe at the Jerry Lton Plaza. Um one of the issues there was the proximity to the residential properties around it and the noise right bells make noise. Um, so we had looked at a few different places of where we could install these and them still have some meaning. So luckily at around the time when the funding was denied originally for the repair, uh, Bill Kenny had worked with the Virgin

Group and had a actual proposal put together for this exact project redesign the equipment and of course prices go up from that. So you say, well, where did you get this number from? This is based on the original estimate of 2022 with some appropriations for moving the project 3 years out from that and what the cost increase would be. The specific location of that uh of the proposed new

bell tower is still up for discussion.

This proposal has come through my office from the administration looking to reconstruct these bells and what we're anticipating is somewhere through the Deval Street Coroner project that we see coming close to fruition. Now, now certainly it could not be within the residentially zoned properties, but at the at the terminus of either end of this site, there are very large open space parcels that we could potentially

put this new constructed tower on. So, this project is multifaceted where the the design of the tower itself is a substantial part of the project. So, so that would be initiated immediately and beginning forward of of building that tower somewhere. So in general, that is the nutshell of trying to get these bells back up. We actually had offers to buy the bells. This Verden company

wanted to buy them and there were other municipalities across the nation that look for these antique bells to install in their own cities.

So it would kind of be detrimental for us to sell bills bells for basic scrap metal cost, I guess. But it was substantial. Um uh so it is our hope to be able to put them somewhere along that new virgining uh corridor in the city.

Okay. What's the I have a comment.

Sure. So it it's being proposed under the category of historic preservation but in historic preservation you cannot create and you are creating a a tower and all all of the things that go around all of the things that encompass the bells themselves are a new creation. They're not actually historic preservation. You're just it's to hold the bells. We're restoring the historic bells to be able to put them somewhere.

We could put it under open space, right? So the the remember last time what?

So last time we actually told Bill I think I told Bill Kenny this that under historic preservation, the only components of the project that would be covered were any actual restorative work on the bells themselves. we're not able to fund any like he he had presented like it was kind of like a a newer you know tower with you know the electrical components to do the the the controls and stuff and that is definitely not

covered under historic preservation. It would only be any portions in regards to preserving the actual bells themselves which I hope the city does do and not sell them by the way.

Okay.

Got it.

Yeah. So the landscaping, the lights, the the tower, it's not eligible because you're creating and under historic preservation the category where it says create, you cannot create. So you just have to So do you feel that it would fall under the open space and recreation aspect?

It would be if if anything, yeah, it would be recreation, but it it wouldn't be I mean there's clearly a historic component to it. There is, but it still doesn't because you're creating something to hold it. It doesn't fall under historic preservation cuz you're not preserving.

Open space, too.

Under open space and recreation, I think you would at least have to have a site location or the plan has would have to be the establishment of new open space, I think, for it to count. Um, like you would either have to be going in a pre-existing park or something or you'd be creating a new park, I believe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. So, can we motion?

I I don't know if the city's plan is to move forward with this, but we can I'll say that 100% when when we come back for funding, we can have the specific location.

Yeah. Like I'll make the motion that uh the project move forward under eligibility for historic preservation.

However, only the components regarding the bell. Um and if you want to uh amend your application and add you know categories pending recreation I think that's perfectly it is checked off on the open space having it on it's not on the it's on the actual application all three open space recreation historic yeah then yeah then under open space recreation pending the application second I want to speak to the question Um,

I've we've got a bell. Um, and the I don't quite understand how a bell in a church or a city or for that matter a high school can be considered open space or recreation. I just don't. Well, it's like building in a park. They're going to put designated open space which will have a deed restriction.

That's the route they'd have to go.

Well, I think that's we decide to vote bell component.

I think that's thoroughly stretching it.

Just the bells. Correct.

Yeah.

We're not talking about as St. Lucas once gave, we're not talking about a small uh a small thing you bang on to make music and we put it in we put it in the park ac diagonally across from our church, the Pleski Park. These are these are the kids aren't going to bang on these bells.

They're not meant to bang on.

No, that's why they need to be in a town. That's exactly my point. Thank you.

But people will hear the bells. It will be in an open space.

It can be it could be viewed as as really creating art within an open space for people to enjoy.

I hear you. I hear the argument and I I think and keeping them in storage is the direct opposite pres.

It's no different than a It's no different than a statue or any type of memorial or those are historical. They have the time frame associated with it.

So, if I may, I think his his question is more towards the open space recreation component of it. And I just to jump ahead to like the not to jump ahead to the next uh agenda item, but I did do a little definition research and uh money can go to park features like the like a parking lot would be considered a park feature or amenity. So if you were constructing, you know, an

amenity at a park like a bell tower, I guess, or like some kind of sculpture, you know, some some kind of amenity or or feature, I think that does qualify under open space recreation. It is just contingent on it being at an actual or new park.

But I mean that you're up to disagree as well.

What what might be of assistance, Dan, is you're right near the waterfront cultural district and if you could find a spot there.

There's a lot of state funding.

Yep.

Just for items like that. So that might assist in helping also matching grants and then then we could concentrate on the bells. State could concentrate on the tower. Got it.

You know, so if you could find a location now, you get the bsentennial part that whole area.

Y part of my concern is is financial in our in our lack of funding for Yeah. But we're not we're not voting on voting on part of my concern. We're not voting on the funding, but I don't think this is then you vote no.

Yeah, but then when the voting comes, then you can vote no. I'm just trying I'm just trying to convince I'm trying to convince you to vote no. That's it.

Okay, we got a motion. Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Okay, roll call. Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris Benvites, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Caner Oliver, yes.

John Brent, yes.

James Hornsby, no.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Thank you.

Go away for Joanne.

Billy, yes.

All right. Next is uh the park outlet parklet.

Parklet. Oh, so this is and and I think there was a little bit more elaboration in the application. So this is the Columbia Street parklet that the city just acquired the real estate from the Roman Catholic Church about a year or two ago.

Um it's the two-tiered uh parklet area running along Columbia Street. The lower area of the parklet is actually in excellent shape. It does need a few pavers to be reset, sealed, grouted a little bit. So, there's not a lot of heavy lifting to do on the lower part.

The upper part needs dramatic work. And that's mostly related to the overgrown trees. Welcome to the city of Fall River. Um that create havoc specifically with with pavers. So, the anticipation was originally through the Columbia Street reconstruction project um where those costs have now reached about $2.2 2 million just for the reconstruction of Columbia Street itself. Um did not leave

a decent amount of additional funding to piggy back and use some of those funds on this park. It was always hope that hey we hope to have a couple hundred,000 that we can do something in this park.

Um so when when the ability came through to put this before you all we felt that this would be a worthy project to look into. It does fall within the the the waterfront cultural district. Um it would be great to be able to to do some work in that area. Um that would require some additional landscaping. Um removal of a lot of the pavers, the majority of them create some additional seating.

Even the benches that are down there are are well worn uh beyond their time limits. I'll defer to Mr. nefarious, but I would think the uh the removal of the existing trees because they're in fairly rough shape and um the uprooting of of the roots themselves. Um so complete restoration of of landscaping in that in that location as well. Again, this uh this request would also include the

design component as well and we would be utilizing one of the in-house designers that that the city has selected through the design review commission. Um I don't think it needs a lot of design. This isn't to the level of Jerry Law and Plaza that needed dramatic design work.

Um, but we would definitely need the services of of a professional to to come in and prepare the plans to be bid on.

Okay. And that was under open space for 300,000. Board has a motion.

It I believe it was under it also says historic preservation, but I don't believe it's a historic park. I don't I think it was related to the cultural district but yeah but it doesn't necessarily make it eligible to be if we put under historic then it' be tougher guidelines on redoing it when it was created.

I do not know off the top of my head.

I'm I'm guessing when they built the church it's been there. It it it I would say yes on the historic if you wanted to list it as such because it's been there.

Is it on the register?

It would uh you know I have I don't know off camera.

I can leave it off for now, but we'll do some digging before we Yeah.

Well, in order for something to be eligible under historic preservation, I think one of one of the check marks is on the list of Far uh the Fiverr's list of significant structures, which you could add it to in the meantime. I mean, there's no people have done that before.

Uh any I'll make a motion to approve it uh move the application for it in the eligibility round under open space, recreation, and historic preservation. a second.

Even a historic preservation without knowing I think it is 50 years old. So I I would it's definitely got to So So I mean like we could shave it off, you know, if we don't think so in the end.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Joan Bentley, yes.

Chris Fedites, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Caner Oliver, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James Hornsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes. BJ McDonald. Yes.

All right. And you got one more here.

Uh, Father Kelly Parking facility under uh recreation open space 500,000.

So before we get into this, what I'd like to say is so John, Mike, um, we had all been part of the open space and recreation plan committee over the last two years with updating that plan. It's a 10-year document. Um, and the three of us were befuddled with the lack of amount of park projects that came before you.

One of the goals in the new open space and recreation plan was to have a number of projects come before you yearly. Um, it'll take a year or two to get them truly shovel ready by the time that they come here, but that was the anticipation. So, I was encouraged that the department did take up some level of uh participation in that. Um, John and and Mike were great to deal with with uh

with that group and it was I think we're about a month away from the document being produced. Uh, Serpent, we had hired Serpent to do put together the plan. Um, and I think you'll all be very very happy with how we're dealing with open space recreation um throughout the city. So before that, let's move into this. I know a year or two ago you had appropriated funding for lighting um of the softball field area

in this very busy park which has now become even busier. I I can't understand how a city of our size in every park doesn't have some parking facility. Um over time we rely on on street parking for a number of activities that even go on in the parks where this is a very adultoriented park with softball leagues. I'm an old man too but I don't play softball yet.

Um so the parking demand on a location like this far is far increased from a re recreational park that's utilized by children during the day. So what we saw was an increase in the amount of traffic through this Globe Street corridor and the availability of parking in this area. So it is our hopes um again in the general plan of how we can increase amenities in these parks is to potentially start knocking off some

parks with amenities like this like a parking area. And what we're finding is that the night use of this park creates only a more dangerous situation for people parking on the street because of lack of lighting and everything else. So this this proposal would have be multi-purposed where we could build a parking facility to serve both day and night users of the park, lighting around

the parking lot, increased picnic area because what we're finding too is there's a lot of tournaments that this park utili is utilized for. and having the ability for people utilizing the park for the tournaments to have an area where they can also formally picnic.

Everybody will jump around, but there's not a lot of seating there. There's not a lot of lighting, um, trash receptacles. So, it is our hope to make that some kind of uh an improvement as well. And again, I did not know that the parks department were uh were putting together their own applications. Um this was one that we had discussed with the administration um probably starting

about a year ago because we've actually received almost a threequarter of a million dollar grant for the reconstruction of Globe uh four corners all new light signals. Um so it's our anticipation to to do something in this location of the city as well. So with that I will answer any questions you have. Okay.

I do have one question. Um what part of the park are you planning to use for this? It would be in that very the Broadway and Globe.

Okay.

It's really the only grass area.

So the far so the far the very far west towards Globe towards Globe four corners.

That's correct. So the the driveway would be coming off of off of off of Globe. So about off of Broad Broadway and we would be able to leave the frontage along Broadway in the park-like setting that it's in. There are a number of walkways that run through there. So it would be a design that would try to be in keeping with what keeping whatever trees we have there and existing

walkways to keep that feel. But any off- streetet parking that we could provide in a creative way would be beneficial to the city. Okay.

Okay. We have a motion.

I just wanted to say I'm happy to see that the city's putting this application forward. Um in past years at least since I've been uh since I've been on the committee like with the father Kelly Park lights it was the league that had to do the application. So, I'm happy to see the city take the initiative with this one. Um, and I'll make the motion to move it forward uh through the

eligibility hearing under open space and recreation.

I'll second that.

Okay. Roll call. Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Kent Oliver, yes.

John Brandt, yes.

James, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

DJ McDonald, yes.

Joanne Joan Bentley. Yes.

Thank you all very much. Thank you for your time and your service to the city is much appreciated.

All right. Next is St. An's Church and Shrine complete exterior restoration repair lingering internal water damage. Uh falls under historic preservation 125.

Good evening everyone. Uh my name is Jeff Montikney. I'm the uh president of St. Anne Shrine Preservation Society and um we're applying for um $125,000 to um help us uh continue our work which is phased on um exterior work to the church. Prim. Our next steps right now would be for um pointing water water work um work on the um buttresses um is next.

And um so we have we still have some work outside outdoors to do before we can get inside. But u that's that's the purpose of uh of the grant that we're seeking.

Okay. And I see your total cost of the project is going to be 821,000.

And I'll second that motion under historic preservation.

Can can we add the same caveat as we gave the other interior historic preservation like pending pending the feedback from this is exterior.

Exterior.

It's interior. I thought no exterior exterior. Sorry all exterior.

I saw internal and I missed. Thank you.

I second.

Okay. Ro, yes.

Michael Ferris, yes.

Chris, yes.

Alexander Silva, yes.

Kristen Canara, Oliver, yes.

John Brand, yes.

James Hornsby, yes.

Rick Mancini, yes.

BJ McDonald, yes.

Thank you all.

We got one more.

Hi, Dylan. Yes.

All right.

Okay. Next is Christ the Rock uh church tower repair phase three historic preservation completing final stage the restoration of the tower 325,000 the final stage.

Yes. Uh so yeah, we've been before you three times. So good to see all of you again. Hope you're having a good fall.

Um since we've uh we finished up the uh Thank you guys for climbing all those steps many times, too. I know it's a workout. Um, if in the quote and I don't think I included it, Paul was saying that the original application when we came before you 3 years ago, I think it was going to be well over a million dollars. So, he said the final phase will be about 350 380,000,

but that will complete the work of the tower. Um, since you guys have given us the funding, the first round and then the emergency one, we've seen a reduction in the water coming in, uh, the damage getting done. We've been able to use some of those uh spaces that are now uh clean and and usable. We're able to start using our youth ministry down at the very bottom of the uh tower and

we're still trying to come up with some creative uses for the top of the tower uh for those that aren't afraid of heights. In the last year, in addition to your funding, we've raised 33,000, which doesn't seem like a lot in the scope of for a small church like ours.

It's taken quite a bit. This coming weekend, we also have our Malisada sale and that's always good for a few thousand dollars. Um, in addition to the funding you gave us for the emergency round, we paid another 35,000 to the AR uh not the architect, the Paul the Mason. If you've walked by the church, you see the straps on the outside. That was above what uh you guys gave us. So,

we worked out a payment plan with Paul for that. So, we're paying for that. We paid for Civitech out of our own pocket as well. Uh, so we're trying to put as much money as we can, but this would probably be the last time he'd come before you for this project.

Okay. When you do the final application, make sure you put all your expenses.

Okay.

That way, we show you have skin in the game too.

Got it.

Uh, motion from the board.

I'll make a motion to approve under historic preservation.

Second. Robo. Michael Farish. Yes. Chris Benites. Yes.

Alexander Sylvia. Yes.

Kristen Canara Oliver. Yes.

John Brandt. Yes.

James Hinsby. Yes. Rick Mancini. Yes.

BJ McDonald. Yes.

Joan Billy. Yes.

Thank you guys. Have a great evening.

You too. Now, next is the Bristol County District Courthouse Improvement Project. We place 67 windows. 37 in the old building section, 30 in the new building. The new work would include removing windows from the existing openings, sashes, wood frames, uh would stay in place and they uh be built around the old section. You open store preservation 379,654.

Oh great.

Hi, good evening. Um Grace Gerling from Greater Fall River Recreation. Uh my agency currently owns the the facility.

Uh um we we are looking for to replace 67 windows. Um um we just had a a brand new HVAC system put into the older side of the building and I when I tell you the drafts that come through the window uh is unbelievable. We have to put plastic on the windows. So uh you you know the heat's not going out the window. Uh we are you know in dire need of some some

new windows. We've done quite a bit of work in that facility. Uh new boiler, new roofs, um a sprinkler system, um you know, new walls, painting, you name it. Um this is just another component that we really need um to improve the facility. Uh we are a community center. We have ourselves and three other nonprofits in the facility.

Youth Build Fall River Family Resource Center and the Balance Learning Center.

All doing great work for the community.

Okay. The only thing I'd make sure is the windows are meet the historic standards.

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

Um I did I did notice that too. The Pella Yeah.

was the invoice of that and it there were roughly 30 of them that you going to replace. with the breakdown, it's about a little over $12,655 per window. But I don't know. You'd have to talk to that gentleman over there historical and figure out uh Oh, yeah.

what kind of a window it would be and the prices.

We can talk.

You'll be coming.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Do we have a motion?

I'll make I'll make a motion to move forward the application through the eligibility round under historic preservation.

Second.

Okay. Roll call.

Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benvites. Yes.

Alexander Sylvia. Yes.

Kristen Canara Oliver. Yes.

John Brent. Yes.

James Hornsby. Yes.

Rick Mansini. Yes.

BJ Macdonald. Yes.

Billy. Yes. All right. Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh let's see here. Uh okay, we did the rest window restoration.

Yeah, we do have um Corky Road.

Uh we can either take this as because this is a project from last year that we started the roof. Uh the estimate came in a little higher. They're 18,000 short. Uh we can put it on for next year or we can just grant the uh additional 18,000 to cover the expense. Uh whichever the way the board would like to go on that.

I just had one question. That is a historical property. Okay.

Is there anyone here?

I know Brad Paul was on.

Okay.

Hi.

My name is uh Kevin Grant. Uh Brad Paul asked me to be here to represent the club. I'm a former president of the Corky Road Club. Um I can answer any questions you might have.

Uh just mainly uh uh the bid being a little bit higher why you need the extra 18.

Yeah. So if anyone else um owns an old house uh you know sometimes once you start doing the repairs the reality of the situation is a lot different than you would hoped for. Um once they started removing the roofing to uh replace and put the new roof on, the decay was a lot worse than had been anticipated. Um that sent us over by about $18,000.

Um other than that, it's gone very well and we're uh very grateful for the initial $60,000. Um but that's that's what our request is uh related to.

Okay. A question.

Yeah. Question. Where are you at with the process of this? I see these construction documents. Um, is this been completed and you're looking for just getting some funds?

So, we have two phases and phase one is largely completed. This was uncovered under phase one and is the only thing left from phase one to do. Um, we still have funding for phase two, which is just an additional section of the roof over our function hall.

Is it is the is the roof buttoned up at this point? That's the thing is um we can kind of put a band-aid over it for now if the work has to wait um but it's not you know and that would get us through the winter etc. Um it will stop leaking over the section in phase one that's already been done but it wouldn't address the uh damage underneath until a

later date. And what would be the time frame that you're thinking about if getting this?

Uh I believe the goal is to get it done before this winter, but okay.

You know, um that might not be possible.

It's all it's all in the funding ASAP is the goal really. So whenever we can get the funding and get it taken care of, we will.

Okay. Thank you.

All right.

So this is an emergency application then. Is that what we're looking at? I would say emergency since to the Yway to the Did we get the updated balance?

Uh yes, we have uh I don't have the breakdown into each category, but we have a little over 2 million because all the funds have gone back into their designated spots, but I don't have the breakdown of everything.

Well, weren't we um only looking at funds not counting this upcoming allocation? Like what's the balance of our leftover from last year? we have before.

This is from last year and everything that hasn't been spent over the years.

It's all So we got we got everything. Okay.

So that's why it's not So that's not counting the new money.

No, that's good to know.

Yes.

So I mean my personal opinion is they've already started this project. Why make them wait for, you know, let them continue with it so that it gets done? That's it would be silly to make them wait. Is the motion to approve the 18,000 as an emergency fund?

That would be Yeah, I'll make the motion to Oh, go ahead.

Um, sorry. Uh, what who's the project leaison? Was it Rick? Did you want to give an update on to the project? I don't know if you've been there. Um, like your just I'd be curious to see your thoughts.

I have. I have. And we've allocated a small amount of money to them.

uh trying to remember but I don't think we've allocated what Sandy would know better maybe 20,000 of the 50 so spent so far yeah the amount of ex monies that we've been allocating is is far less than the amount of work that's been completed and I've looked at the roof portion that is done trim is necessary or a few other spots that have to be closed up and uh minor minor corrections that have to be

done but are well ahead of the finance portion of the of the project. Is that is that your question?

I actually have a new question after your So are there still funds available that we've already allocated just for the second phase of this project?

Yes, there is. So money's available.

We're granting additional funds when there's still available funds just to meet the the bud like the scope that ran over budget.

I'm not requesting anything.

I I I I know. Well, the applicant. So, I'm just trying to work it through in your head that you so you have more available grant money from us. Um, what I guess my initial thought is just what's stopping you from using all of the already allocated money and rather than waiting for this whole process?

Sure. The the estimate that we've been given for the remainder of the work would take that money to in order to fulfill it. This was um completely unexpected. this 18,000 over and above what we've been quoted for the entire project.

If if that answers your question.

Yeah. I mean, it's either you come now or you come later.

Yeah. I I guess I'm just trying to rationalize I'm just trying to rationalize why you would uh wait um versus just fixing it now and then asking for more money for the second phase, you know, rather than what you're kind of kneede in. Um but it's kind of like the I can I can help you with that. uh the second phase if you started that and then ran short of money, you wouldn't be

able to button it up completely. Right.

Okay.

Right. It would be a band-aid approach.

So, I I'm with you. The project was delayed.

So, your costs rise because of the delay in in the start of the project. Uh but I understand the prices now because of the delay have risen. So we have a choice to make either.

Well, I I do know when you open up a roof that's old cuz I had uh when I did that to mine, I had put in new plywood uh the whole roof and uh was a little extra cost I wasn't looking for. But you wouldn't want to you wouldn't want to continue with the monies that they have at this point. You open it up and then not be able to fully close it and make it tight.

So I'll make a motion to approve under historic preservation eligibility the emergency funding for $18,000 for the full repair.

I'll second Paris. Yes.

Chris Benvites. Yes.

Alexander Silva. Yes.

Kristen Cano. Yes.

John Brandt. Yes.

James Winsby. Yes.

Rick Mancini. Yes.

BJ McDonald. Yes.

My belly. Yes.

Okay. We'll have to send appropriation to city council a little vote on it. So, we won't be able to let you know till Okay.

next meeting. So, very much appreciated. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Good luck.

All right. So, all projects have been heard.

It's the emergency.

Yeah. Okay. I know. I just want to make sure we got a lot of people still.

Yeah. Yep.

Okay. Uh next is emergency funding for uh little theater um roof replacement 130,000.

Hi, good evening. Aaron Jenjiscoco, board member from Little Theater Fall River. So, we are currently seeking um emergency funding for our 150-year-old roof. So QuickShan number one was built in 1874. Uh Little Theater purchased it from the city back in 1975. So we've owned the building for 50 years now and have continue to maintain it through our own funding and through grants. Um but

we are in dire need of a new uh roof to replace the slate that is up there now.

Um we have the you know when it rains really hard, we actually have many buckets throughout the building that are catching the water during performances.

when we have audience members downstairs, we have actors upstairs and water's just like pouring in through the tin ceilings that are still there on the second floor. So, we recently just did a a patch job maybe a few weeks ago um over sort of where we're missing um some of the the slate shingles um which has been good so far, but I think with with winter coming and like spring rains are

awful that we we literally um are are in a pinch right now. So we have at this point we've raised 31,000 of our own funds. So the whole project is 155,000 that includes the main historic building and then our um you know we built an addition which also leaked. So uh we have the funds to cover that the $31,000 to cover that. Um the main roof we have two quotes for about one's 120 one's

$125,000 to replace with a Da Vinci uh slate composite. um not not using slate again that has been approved and used in other projects within the city um by the CPA. So um that's what we're coming before you for now. When did the roof start leaking?

Here he is back.

Yeah.

And we've done some P I'm Deborah Sadler president a little bit need to come up please.

Yeah.

So, we've started um with a roofing company with and they would come and do patch jobs and then do a portion and every year within the last two years it's just continually getting worse.

Yeah.

So, this year it was really bad. In February, we were emptying buckets all day long. So, we do have a a big roof campaign, Little Theater Big Roof, which we've raised 31,000 so far. We have uh we're pending a grant. We've reached out to the Hazen White Foundation um who has given us money before to upgrade our lighting and and stuff in the fire barn and we're waiting to hear from them on

additional funding to that would go towards, you know, the the replacement of the roof. So, all of our fundraising at this point is just, you know, going towards the roof.

Being an emergency funding, um it seems like the roof has been leaking for a while and you've known it. So the tonight should have been an application to come in with along with the everyone else.

Yeah.

To get approved to go on to the next round.

Yeah. Hasn't been as bad as like March and April of this year. It was it was the worst. I mean, we've had small leaks here and there. It's an old It's 150 years old with a slate roof. Um so, you know, and we've managed that through the years. This this is like beyond, you know, we've we've lost lots of um shingles over the past year. Um, yeah, we I mean we we replaced a roof on

the tower la this maybe 6 months ago.

This winter the wind blew it off and pulled bricks. We actually just had the roofing company come back and replace the plastic, you know, the the uh at the top of the tower that we have a flat roof. So, I think it's a combination of, you know, losing more shingles over this past year.

Yeah. and and the emergency um seems to be we I'm just afraid um safety wise for we have seven or eight shows coming up now. I'd like to get it done before um the winter sets in um because like you said every time we go up there and we patch it and we pay seven $8,000 and they find something else and so it really needs the whole one. But see, on my part, emergency is

it's been past an emergency. Your maintenance you haven't been doing. You should have been in front of us a while ago.

Well, we had other concerns that you gave us money for because it's been leaking. You know, that's how we have this set up for, you know, disasters. Not we had we had other problems that we that you guys gave us money for. You you know, thankfully we're able to replace our HVAC and and you know, install air conditioners and all that stuff.

Total nonprofit organization. rounds to get there. They're just kind of jumping the gun above other people.

So, do you not think it's an emergency at this point? I mean, this is not when it's been leaking for this long. No, I don't.

I think it's an emergency because it's been the worst it's been, but I'll let it up to the board. So, I mean, small leaks are not like I mean, we can manage small leaks and we have done that.

You know, this past spring with the rains and stuff like that, it's the we it's the worst it's ever been. We're not talking like we're talking buckets of of water coming in. And out of all the projects, I mean, we bring 6,000 people a year into the city who frequent our restaurants, who come into the city and and go to other sites, you know. So, our organization is 92 years old

consecutive offering theater. We used to do theater in um what was the name of that house? Heric House. When we first started out, we went out, we used to do Diamond, we used to do BCC. We can't do BCC anymore because they charge us too much money. So, it's a nonprofit organization con just dependent on our patrons and the generosity of people.

I think the point we're getting to though, let's let's just, you know, try and get focus back on the point.

Most of the organizations that are coming in here all do very charitable things and that's great. The point we're trying to make at this point is we have certain criteria. Yeah. And I'm in agreement with John. If it was leaking in the spring, you could have submitted an emergency in the spring if it was that detrimental.

All right. What happened is that you it appears that this was submitted a day late than the normal uh submittal process. Uh that does not classify it as an emergency. and to wait leaks for two years and then by your own admission tremendous amount of rain in the spring and it wasn't submitted then and and and I understand I just can't what you're explaining doesn't make sense to me. I I

cannot rationalize that as an emergency.

No, I I I get what you're saying but we're also evol like we don't this isn't our full-time job here. So we have, you know, in terms of I didn't know that we could just apply for emergency funding.

It took we knew that it took people to say like, oh, you can go before emergency funding if it's outside of the cycle.

So I think some of it is just not knowing what the process is and that we had that opportunity, which is why we didn't apply in the spring.

I'd like to just weigh in for a quick second. We obviously have a situation here where there's an emergency situation where we've got rain and it's detrimental to the building, right? If you continue to go down this road, it's just going to be a bigger problem later on. You're just kicking the can down the road. And I I think as an organization, you've gone in and you've tried to do a

little bit of a band-aid here and there to get through these situations, but the reality of it is it is it is a really um positive influence for this city to have people come from the outside, especially in the theater and people who are traveling in here. They're doing most of this stuff on their own. They have gotten some money from us in the past, but the reality of it is, you know, it's

not like some of the other organizations where um they're not doing the fundraising, they're not doing um at least the front portions of this. I just say like if you're having a problem with this roof and this roof is is leaking in your house, whether it's your house, this this uh theater or the arts association, you have to fix that. And so that's why I say it's when you say it's not an emergency. Well, if it's

draining your house, then that's an emergency.

Oh, sorry. We've had people come like with the bell towers and all those things that are leaking into those churches and they still weren't coming for emergency funding. They went through the regular process, but water was still getting into the building.

So you have so how is is one well this one I think is truly a positive attribute to where a church on the other hand there are very few people who are going to do that unless they're part of that congregation and and and again I'm in support of both of these but this is something that you have outside entities coming into the city spending money on tickets to go see a

theater production and if that gets shut down then you don't have that Mike sticking to the to the issue.

Getting back to the issue, the issue is that we had a situation that's been ongoing for two years.

Mhm.

And there is a deadline. This came in a day after the deadline and then it became an emergency. All right.

So, see if we decide to do this as emergency, it's going to create, right?

More apples.

And if it was an emergency in the spring, it could. Now, what's going to happen is we're going to set up a bad precedence where anybody that develops a leaky roof or something of that nature again could just come in and say, "Oh, I've got an emergency. You guys did it for this. You did it for that." That's your scope. So, we have to be we have to be just a little cautious on what we

classify as emergency.

What do you classify as an emergency then?

I still don't know the definition. fire a a storm that destroys something and has to be repaired immediately. If you get fire damage Oh, we did have fire damage.

Wait, wait. I just want to be super crystal clear under that definition a storm that damages could be this as far as as far as I hear. I I just want to be super clear.

Yep.

It sounds like the emergency that we're debating is only constituted by the previous two years of them trying to patchwork when funds are available, right?

But that has nothing to do with their understanding of our process. So now that they know that there's a process here and they still have the emergency, it's not to say that that it wasn't ever an emergency, but that they did what they could with the funds available. So now they're coming to us same emergency but with the scope of the entire project. So under your definition it

sounds like the emergency has never gone away.

No, it's just it's just it's just on our front steps today. That's the difference. That's the only difference.

How but how is it an emergency if there's an actual number of like we know how much it's going to cost to do this roof? They've already looked into the composite and and all of that. So that had to take some thought in I mean how did row an emergency where they just came in and asked it's not it's an extension of I realize that but it's not I mean on that

definition of emergency then there isn't necessarily an emergency.

It's just covering the balance of what a fund was.

And the whole idea of getting the quotes was because we knew that we needed we knew that you needed that. So when we found out when we finally found out we could apply for an emergency then we got quotes. I I guess my question would be like h how did you address the situation with the library like that that that facility was leaking and and yeah and that's after a storm

uh that's why it became an emergency just I have a couple things um I have a list so I'm going to go through my list and the best chronological order I can muster first off are those packets in front of you for us I'm guessing can we perhaps look at debate.

There's do they per chance include photos? They do a few photos of all the the roofing including the copper that's you know that's all around it and then this is just applicate. I went ahead and did applications and it has two quotes in there.

And also a you know a letter from the preservation Massachusetts. We applied for a grant for $10,000 to go towards the roof and they denied us.

Um, okay. So, my other start uh my other things um do you have a start date like are you ready to go?

So, I was told by the contractor 30 days he would need.

Okay. Like if so you're able to mobilize to address the problem that you're foreseeing with your upcoming show schedule.

Yes.

Okay. Um this is a question from your past uh grant award. Did you ever ar figure out your deed restriction with us for the previous grant award? Because that would definitely be a prerequisite for any additional.

So it is so you know it has to we do because we got a letter from the C the other committee saying that there's a deed process. Okay. I just wanted to make sure. Um okay. So in terms of question what process for the deed restriction?

uh like signing it.

Attaching it to your property.

I'm not sure. We I'd have to Yeah. You if you've gotten the email from Sandy and followed up with that, it would be the chain of events that she kind of followed through with that. Um so, uh like we haven't really defined uh more clearly what constitutes as an emergency because it's kind of been a loose term. Um as uh Mr. Sylvia mentions over there. Um the library project uh was kind of thrown at

this committee before my time as an emergency. Um and I, you know, I think a lot of committee members at the time had to wrestle with the fact of was it deferred maintenance or was it an actual emergency? Um and I think that's where a lot of the trepidation comes from with these sort of things. Uh, I would just say that, you know, we did uh approve the Maritime Museum's emergency

application for their facade that came down during a storm and the emergency logic, at least for me, was that it was going to impact their opening and and you know, they they actually missed a whole summer because they were, I think, waiting for the grant process, you know, waiting for the schedule. I think that was what they had said. So, I don't really hold it against them for trying

to do the normal process, figuring out an emergency application. Um, you can kind of look at it however you want in terms of if it's an emergency. They have said that they've been doing uh preventative maintenance ongoing. There was just a new roof coming off this spring. So, that I think constitutes as a new emergency. But at the end of the day, if water's coming in at a more accelerated rate than the past year

where it will impact their performances, which will therefore impact the organization's longevity as a whole and its place in the community, I think the committee should probably come to terms with that is that would that constitute an emergency more so? Um, I will look at this myself as is this building more likely to survive if we wait a year to fund it versus not. I think the answer

is probably it will be in worse shape and for the the community itself will be worse off. So that's my uh position and I'll make a motion if we're done talking about it.

Has it been before the historical commission to get their approval on the roof?

That was my next question.

Okay.

The historic commission has no knowledge of any of this and you're coming under historic preservation and you've done a lot of work in the past. Historic preservation work never came before the historic commission. I don't understand.

So we had a whole when we had the HVAC and all that system, we had a whole civotech like this whole assessment done for the for the building. Doesn't that not include the historic commission?

Not unless you come over and present.

Yeah. I don't know. Gail, do you know anything about the last project?

I wasn't involved with the last project.

My proposal was Yeah. It would need you would certainly willing to weigh in on the and we're using a product that was approved by the historic commission for another building that you guys funded the same slate composite.

Oh, okay.

In in the event that the funding were to be denied, is there the risk that the shows are cancelled?

potentially depending on this, you know, depending on what our winter and spring are like, you know, if we get no rain and, you know, and we don't have to cancel anything like that. I mean, I'm concerned about the staircase where the where the water pours in and it's more the act it's more the actors and and things like that in in terms of the building. Um but yeah, I mean we, you know,

we have a uh six show uh we just set up a subscription season and right now we open one in October and then one in December. That those are the two that I'm I'm hoping will be safe before we start. We have a major one in November, I mean um January, March, and then we have a children's program that starts up in March to to April. So till June. So

that could and you know depending on how the winter goes.

And well besides the shows do you also use that facility for your rehearsals?

So we rehearse there. We hold fundraisers there.

Meetings meetings. It's it's pretty much our I mean it's the heart and soul of the organization at this point.

And it's full all the time. I mean, we we're rehearsing or producing because we do two week two weekends of shows, you know, and not only if we cancel shows, it it you know, we also hire local musicians to play in orchestras for eight performances for all of our musicals. We're the only theater company, you know, in the city of that does that. You know, everybody else is using tracks. So, and

we had a subscriber base of over 700 to 800 people before BCC shut us out after CO. We used to do our major musicals there. So that that base of subscribers we have lost a lot of coming back to the fire and now with putting in six shows and we just did a major musical called Anastasia last year which was a musical you would never think could be held in

such a small building that by doing that our subscription uh drive has increased and we're just starting to get those people where all our performances are sold out. So, we're concerned about that, too. We also have a membership of like 30 people that are members besides the um um you know, the outer the area like you said, the greater area that we not only have greater area that come sees it, but we

have actors and actresses that will come to audition from all kinds which they bring their people. And we just had a uh playwright come down and see one of our shows that he saw advertised. And so it's really it's a gem for I know probably some of you have never even been to one of our shows but it's been 92 years that we've been there and everybody that comes always says they

cannot believe that they have missed this. So, I really think it's a good thing for the community. And like I said, if we were more of a working board instead of a bunch of pe I mean not a working board, a bunch of people that were just on the board, we could be more on top of this type of thing. But we depend strictly on volunteers and people that work and then devote their time

after for this. So that's probably why we don't know the rules about the emergency versus whatever. I mean, your your organization is, if you're going to compare it to something, it's it's very similar to the Children's Museum or uh uh the the Maritime Museum, and they've come in front for funding as well. And this is something that's uh a positive for this community. And again, I this is not a scenario where we're

talking about windows that need to be replaced. Well, you'll just have to suffer a couple of months with that.

this is something that's going to have some impact on your actual physical structure of your building if water's still coming in. And I I don't and I agree with what you're saying. We're all volunteers here, too, right?

And so, again, it's I live in the neighborhood. I've been to lots of plays. My kids been in the plays and it's a it's um it's a really bright star in the city of Fall River to have this type of scenario. So, I hope it all works out for you and uh we'll see where it goes from there.

Okay. So, motion I motion to approve the emergency funding for this.

I second pending approval from the historic a letter from the historical commission.

I'm sorry. I amend it.

I amend it so that we have approval from the historical commission.

I second a roll call.

Michael Farious. Yes.

Chris Bites. Yes.

Alexander Silva. Yes.

Christen Olivera. Yes.

John Brandt. No.

I abstain. James Hornsby.

Rick Mancini. No.

BJ McNau. Yes.

All right. We'll send this down to Oh, Joan.

Joan Belly. Yes.

Okay. We'll send this down to the city council for appropriation and uh when we get the okay from that, we'll give you a call and you can start. Okay. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you.

Very appreciated.

Right next is St. Luke's Church uh tower main roof body. They have a leak 150.

Nope. This was an application was put in that didn't make it in on time. So now it's an emergency.

Yes, it was in my in time. So it's an emergency now.

We should pass some up now. I think is didn't get it in time. It's just like the last one. So, this is not really didn't get it in time. So, they're just there is a packet on here.

So, this is what we're going to end up with now. So, all right. Uh does the board have we go ahead and state your good you just introduced people.

Yeah.

James Hinesby on the current at St.

Luke's for a long time.

Our warden Saklon and the Reverend Susan Lee who is was a previous recctor and is still our consultant. Socks is going to begin.

So, we are here this evening for um an emergency um funding. Um we need to report our tower, the bell tower and um part of the main church. It's going to be two phases as you can see.

Um we started some work. We had some leak in the roof which we had repaired, put some funds into it already about 20,000 that got done this year and we have another part of roof that needs to get done but the main concern is the leak coming from the towers that need to get repointed and um it's actually um ruining the the work that we had already previously done in the basement which we

have our thrift store and many of uh our members use the thrift store on Thursdays that's which is open on Thursdays to the community and um we just had this year we were able to reopen it again because we have mitigated the um the water leaks uh we had a volunte member uh member volunteer to do some repair out of their own funds and you know help out but now we noticed the he

noticed the um the viewpoint that needs to get done from the tower was from the ground up on the east side of the um the building. Um obviously the pictures that's in here doesn't do any justice.

So I went into the bell tower, took some pictures. I know um I just, you know, this is my first time here. I from listening you can't do any interior work, right? Just the exterior. So you can see the last photos, three photos, you can see the the the crease on that needs to be pointing on the on the side of the towers. And that's basically the main area where our members go, you know, go

inside, you know, into the church, the entrance. And um, you know, we have a lot of elderly members and I, you know, I think this would be an emergency on, you know, just from the water and them mining slip and fall. Um, yeah. And if Susan, anybody would like to add anything?

No. Um I I wanted to simply address the historical uh stuff very briefly and get back to the emergency. Um church is built in 1897. Ar this is all in the paper but um architects listed um it sits on top of the Quicoan River Valley. It's been described as a gorgeous build as a beautiful building.

That was the uh that was the that was Jason of the historical society and we're scheduled by the way to meet with them at the next meeting which is unfortunately not tomorrow.

Um a lot of English mill worker history in its first 75 years.

The church is among other things extremely active in the community and has been. I mention this because that seems to be a criteria. Um neighborhood association were involved in initiating it and still go welcoming refugees some a large number from Cambodia but also others.

and we still support refugees. All right.

We began, initiated, and led a women's shelter for women who have been abused.

There were others.

Um, can we get Yes, we have a preservation. We have a preservation. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Can we just get to the emergency part of it?

Yes, I am. That's where I'm going. We have the We have the You've got the the preservation historical commission paperwork. The emergency.

It's much worse than we had thought.

this. We have two bids for about the amount we requested and we're hoping to we're hoping that on and the I was surprised by what Mr. Chet and Mr.

Bario Joe Bario of NADS the these are two people from these are the two churches we were in earlier these are the arch these are the masons um the damage is much more severe the Mr. And as the Joel said that the it's a bad deal. It needs to be fixed immediately.

I unfort wrote the grant talked with staff. Unfortunately, I missed the deadline. I missed simply because it was I thought it was all day to leave it off and it wasn't. It was no it was noon time. I did it. I actually had thought about applying on on as an emergency after I received the information from the two architect the two Mason what do you call a company a mason company

that's it's interesting I don't know the word at any rate u there's a lot of water damage occurring upstairs over the years and most over the years we We had been told that it was the a leak in the tower.

Um, and we have had constant repairs up there in the top of the tower that the water was coming down and there was a basin there and it would somehow come down through.

Um, that proves not to be correct. We had a crack from the bells from the big bell tolling. Not just tolling, ringing.

We're told, "Don't ring the bell. It will be okay. The crack isn't very big."

Well, the crack is big.

We didn't know it.

Oh, we did at the suggestion of several people and the also because this because of the the roof blowing off, we fixed the roof. that did not affect that did not fix the leak from the tower.

Um we what we're really looking for at this point is not the full amount.

Uh a third of it would help us get a loan from our diosis and sources and we have put aside money for reconstruction.

is simply that the both the bid and the the bids and the work are much higher than I would have imagined.

We think that phase one is about 125 $150,000 based on the two bids.

Does that address it? No.

Now, how long did you notice that this was been leaking? I mean, how did the emergency? You were going to put an application in, but you were late getting it in. Now, it's an emergency.

So when last year we realized that it was not it was it when we finished the roof. We realized it wasn't the roof when that was done a year ago.

Yeah. This year. Yeah, we did it this year. prepared this year and they noticed the the roofers noticed that it's not the roof. It's more structural with the from the towers from the top bottom.

Now, when did they notice that?

Um when they came in to repair the roof and we you know when when was that the date?

When Mr. When Mr. Crockett and and Mr.

Bario looked at the structure.

Yeah. But the date when was that? I mean it's it's emergency is like it was done about um two months ago about two months ago.

We we knew that it needed to be done. Ah our clerk of the works went up there. M ah yes Mr. Frier, William Frier, who was clerk of the works for the middle school over in Somerset and some other places, told us that we had big structural problems and that would be about two to two months or so ago.

What I'm just getting the point to is you had time to get this in during regular eligibility and then but you wait until you didn't get it in.

Well, I screwed up I screwed up the uh the the drop and came in at 12:25.

Okay.

Could the board have any questions?

Yeah, I got a couple questions.

Hold on. She gohead.

You want Yes. I I just wanted to add two things that haven't been mentioned so far. Um, this is also the entrance to our food pantry, our food cupboard that is used at the same time as a thrift shop. So, there's quite a bit of coming and going through that. And in terms of the emergency element, um, we we did miss the deadline on the regular application.

My understanding is we'd have to wait another whole year before we could apply again under that regular application.

And and there really would be a huge amount of additional damage in terms of water damage if we waited for a whole year. And um with the um you know uh fall coming up, storms, we're very worried that there would be an increase in the damage if we had to wait a whole year and and so that's why we decided to go ahead under the emergency application.

Okay.

Questions?

Yeah, I have a couple questions. Alex and I are are doing a review for um Christ the Rock Church. And so what we've noticed, or at least I've noticed, is that um trying to pinpoint and get the actual problem alleviated has cost a lot more money. It's been we've had actually had to apply for a U emergency on that one as well to make sure the towers stay in place. My question to you

would be is you have a you have a a document here um asking for $150,000.

from my experience of just looking at that particular church that $150,000 is not going to get you a it's not going to get you far in the process unless you have some type of documentation from them saying okay we do this this is you're not going to have any more leaks in in the roof and and let me finish because I'm trying to find a solution and I I think the solution might be is

that you have to do something temporarily until you can get an application and get a real number of what it's going going to cost to fix this. So, for instance, whether they put a a rubber membrane on there temporarily and divert whatever water's coming in, then that's that's kind of what we had to do with Christ the Rock Church. We had to put in some boards and some strappings and we and

actually the applicant paid for that portion of that just to get it to the next phase of getting funding in for next year. So, my thought to this process is I understand the problem.

what's the real solution to keep the water from not coming into the building right now? And then two, a real number has to be kind of come together to figure to fix this problem permanently.

You see what I'm saying? Like we have we have two bids.

Y Mr. Frier did an RFP.

Yeah.

I mailed it out to four people.

Yep.

Two responded. Mr. Crockett Crockett, I'm always having trouble pronouncing his name.

Sure, that's all. Okay.

And uh NADS in Connecticut, which is the first congregational church.

Yeah.

Uh one was both of them were under $150,000 to do the repointing of all four sides from the from ground level to the top.

Mhm.

On the ground level needs it. I heard myself, Mr. Crockett explained that the mortar was falling out and he could I could tap and hear where it is where it's solid.

Yeah.

And where it is not and so the whole thing has to be done and it was has this is original mortar.

I'm trying to answer just your question.

Yeah. No, no, no. Again, we have we've got firm estimates. We have we probably have 50 grand that we can sort that we can put Yeah.

towards the project. We can do fundraising in the fundraising on top of it. We probably can get a diosis and loan. That loan would be I think assured if you gave us a portion of the money.

Mhm.

Which is what we're asking.

But there are no estimates in here.

Yeah.

What? There are no estimates in here for us to even look at.

We we have had some estimates. I don't paperwork.

We don't have any estimates in here.

And and the other thing that I was just going to say is the one thing that with Christ Church and we just talked about this when you do a historical property like this once you start to uncover things then all of a sudden if it's a structural element that's that much more. if it's and and I agree with what that could be.

Yeah. So, so I again, if you're telling me $150,000 and that was going to fix the problem, I I would say, okay, that's that's a reasonable number. But I don't think that's going to be what the real number is. What we have to come up with is a solution for you so that this water doesn't continue to penetrate in immediately and then address the the bigger picture of doing it correctly and getting it

through the historical and getting it done because I I I really don't think this number is a true number. I think it's I think it I mean we can tell you what what Christ the Rock spent on theirs and you just saw another church actually is doing repointing and what they're asking for. And so I think I want to say that Christ the Rock Church to do their tower in the whole thing was

almost what four $4.5 million.

But we're not in the same No, I I know you're I know you're not.

But but what like again we're we're the ones climbing up there and seeing okay this has got to get fixed here. This is going to be a structural thing here. And it's and it's kind of like a scenario where we have $150,000. We're only going to do as much as we can and it it's still going to leak. You know what I mean? That's that's kind of where we were getting with with that particular project.

Are you asking for a revised number from this 150?

Well, I I I would say I would I don't I don't see an estimate on here or any type of scope of work and what they're supposed to be doing, you know, for it.

something there but it's it's really basic the scope of the work one is a little more comp the scope of the work it's what I said to repoint the mortar all four sides the ground yeah I'm reading them right now you done go ahead um hi just a couple questions have you uh spoken to or anything regarding an art an architect for like an overall comprehensive plan for this or are you

just kind of going at it with the mason companies like do you have you engaged to an architect? We did speak to the of course to Mr. Frier.

Okay.

Who who is a former member um who is correct at the works. Yeah.

And he didn't think we needed to do that.

He thought it was quite clear that we needed to we needed repointing and um so we just sent it out to the uh and you said the roof was place we have leaking is the tower at the moment. place here as as kind of to what Mike was saying um when we had when we've seen similar issues to this um and we grant you know as much money as we can

any Mason I think will have to start at the bottom. So what you're going to run into is that leak as you've already run into you said that leak is still going to persist as long as your funding problem persists and then you risk it risk damaging the work that you're doing like you've already done in the basement. So we just don't want to come into a situation where you know we're

kind of just throwing money into something that isn't moving forward. So, I think I'll speak for me personally, like we would maybe want to see more of a comprehensive plan with like, you know, maybe a fundraising angle to it to just kind of address, you know, any uh overruns and stuff. Um but perhaps the maybe since this is an emergency application and we try to have you know a higher standard of burden for

emergency application like what constitutes as an emergency. It doesn't sound at least in my opinion that there was you know an emergency event that this seems to be you know a deferred maintenance sort of uh problem. Um and perhaps the the route you should take um would be stabilization and then coming up with a more comprehensive plan and a fundraising kind of plan and schedule and then you maybe pres uh present a

full application uh with that holistic plan to to get this addressed, you know, and and perhaps you use the money you've raised to stabilize it like Christ the Rock has done so it doesn't deteriorate any further as you come up with this.

you know, it might buy you a couple years while you kind of get everything in in a row. Um, and and I mean, you can submit an emergency application for the stabilization work, you know, after this funding round because I think a lot of us are hesitant because all of these, you know, se however many projects just, you know, waited their time, did their due diligence, and, you know, they they

we have, you know, too much too many projects and not enough money as as always. So just to maximize your chances, you might want to go for a more, you know, stabilizing route initially and then a more comprehensive route because you'll find a difficulty, you know, to to fund the whole thing.

And if you're planning on using this grant as a matching fund for a loan already built into your plan is not a fast start date necessarily, you know, so you're already going to have this winter water infiltration issues most likely even if you got this emergency grant. it takes weeks to to get it through the rest of the process and then you'd have to take that to the bank.

You're already probably in early winter and you know it's probably getting you know rainy. So that's just my opinion on on perhaps the weather is indeed a I'm not sure that the either of the contractors can do the work. Um, so you it sounds like so it sounds like you're already in a a need to stabilize to prevent further damage at least, you know, as the the first initial step in my opinion.

But now isn't this going to affect public safety, people entering the church versus the same thing with what we just passed?

I haven't seen like, you know, I haven't seen that emergency proven to to like I didn't get the application. I don't know if there was enough copies or anything like that. So, and I only saw the photos, but I don't know where, you know, main access is or like this won't help me in terms of like how where people will get it and stuff. I know you said the food pantry is used. So like

these are all this is the main these are all like you know concerns that we would want to see and review and in the application and you know perhaps it is you know after the spending round before the next one you know maybe there's another emergency application in there that is more of a stabilizing nature with a much more reduced cost and we'll have better ending balances for you know

the year and like it just might be a better a better way forward. I I read through your two proposals. I'm not a professional in this um but I have a little bit of experience. This this is really looking for the towers the the the masonry the repointing. It really has less to do with the water infiltration into your basement. What what that problem is what Alex just said. Um, I'll reiterate as well that

you need to have a um a plan just to stop your rain coming into your facility and then get a comprehensive because it's this is this is just to do the tower. It doesn't even doesn't even get you um guaranteed waterproofing. Again, you have a roofer, you've got a wall, and there's there's a point where fingers are going to be pointing at each other. So what I think we have to do is

try to get something to stop this problem first and foremost whe whether it's a vapor barrier around the the the roof of it until you come up with an actual hopeful.

Yeah. It it it's it's like literally if I had if if a tree landed on my house and I came to you and I said my house is historical. I need slate shingles. No.

The first thing I need to do is have somebody go up there put a tarp on it so there's no additional water coming into our facility. the Christ the church that has gone through that process just like Alex said it started from the base going all the way up to where the the gutter line is right now you know I don't think I don't know but the major damage that comes that we've heard about y

from both both we have two bids I don't know which one's both doesn't matter they're very similar in what in their work they talk about repointing the entire ire tower from top to bottom.

Yeah.

With the leak towards the top.

Mhm.

And then what happens is it it the water goes through the through the stone.

Yep.

And then lands on the inside of the stone.

Yep.

And drips down.

Same thing with Christ the rod. So there's the outside the stone that you see and then in the inside of it it's either some type of brick or concrete and then they have basically support mechanisms between that and exactly what you're explaining is what I've read in here and that's exactly what Christ uh the rock church went through.

So when they when the water comes through the two between the two it's free thaw. It's not a heated space. So in in the in the daylight it turns into water. At night it freezes up and it starts to expand and contract. And that's where your problems are coming in.

Where you want to where you want to alleviate this stuff is on top of all of this, if you were to put in a a vapor barrier on the on the whole thing, you you would eliminate water coming into that and and going on the outside of the building. So all I'm saying is when I when I say these things I'm trying to be helpful because again I don't I think

you know again we're going through this with with that particular project and if you keep on peacemealing this thing through and through you're not going to get rid of the pro problem. Like if they start pulling this down they they structurally say well structurally your interior wall needs to be rebuilt. We had to rebuild parts of Christ the uh Christ the Rock Church interior and put

in strapping and putting reinforcements.

So until they open that stuff up, they won't really know what the true nature of that project is. So that's where I would say the first thing is your emergency is to stop the leak, right?

And and that would be the fir first and foremost. Again, this is not a bad proposal, but this this stuff here does not need to be done now. It's you need to stop the leak before you start doing the repointing and going all the way from the base and starting up. So that would be kind of my recommendation.

Okay. Does the board have a motion?

Thank you.

I will make a mo I will make an a motion that um that you re reapply for if it's an emergency for the stoppage of the water.

No, it's just motions.

Okay. All right.

Okay.

So, my motion is to deny based on this.

Great. But I heard the the sentiment.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'll second.

Roll call. Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Benvites. Yes.

Alexander Sil. Yes.

Kristen Caner Oliver. Yes.

John Brent. Yes.

I just I disagree. So I got a no vote.

But man saying no it's to it's the vote is to deny.

You're to deny and I'm saying no. I don't want to deny it.

Okay.

My vote is yes my vote yes. Deny the motions for the emergency funding.

Okay.

Okay.

But please take our feedback to heart as you know.

Yeah you know. Please. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. And thank you for coming.

I've got to stay for the rest of the meeting.

Now we have the Art Association porch project update. Thank you, Susan.

And are those your copies of the I'll try and get the photos.

If you could slide the photos over to my chair, that would be very nice.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening everyone. My name is Paul Cludier. Um I'm with the uh Greater Fall River Art Association this evening.

My name is Ronald Gagnant. I'm the uh interim president and I'm here also on behalf of the for greater for association.

Now, why I have you here? I've been sending emails, me and Sandy, we've been trying to uh reconcile why payments haven't been made to some of your vendors.

Can you ask me Civitech? Why?

They've been they've been taken care of.

So So originally there was Now there's two bills 8,000 11,000 cuz I still keep getting emails every week.

Yeah. Yeah. So part of it was the um without blabbering it too much, part of it was the communication with Civitech and the board. Part of it was also um the agreement that we had that they were going to come in and the final bill was to be paid to them once completion of the work was done and that they would approve it.

We haven't even scraped a piece of paint yet. So, it was my understanding with him is that if no work's been done, I'm not going to give you your final check.

I mean, nobody since the beginning of time gives a contractor the last check if they haven't done any work yet.

They're not a contractor.

No, I understand that. But part of it was that they were going to approve the work that was done and that was the understanding that we had. So since then, um we've had conversations with him and um he has been paid as of last week Wednesday Thursday.

No, he hasn't been paid cuz I get checks were mailed to him. So I I we didn't hand deliver it to him, but checks were written out and mailed to him.

All right. Not that I'm going to deny you, but I've heard that before. So Okay. All right. I not I'm not happy with getting emails every week to somebody not getting paid.

Well, part of that is you were probably sending emails to the president at the art association and we have been having major difficulties with that website. It has been down. I never got those emails.

Okay.

All right. I just want to say because and I wasn't president until just this past week. I came back because the other president has just resigned.

All right. Hopefully all this is correct taken care of. Everything is everything is I volunteer. I do not like getting emails every week and I got to keep going back and answering the same questions and having Sandy send emails and having city hall go back and find canceled checks. It just a lot of extra work that I'd rather not deal with.

Yep. I get you.

Okay. I get you. Thank you.

Go on with what you All right. So, um ultimately the the purpose of uh us sitting in front of you tonight was to um discuss some of the changes um that we have made from the original um grants due to um certain stipulations. So, um on the first grant, um there was the removal and relocation of the fire escape. um roof repair, wood trim around where a fire escape was, um installation

of a a roof system, uh PVC roof system.

These are pieces that are um were unable to do. Uh the fire escape is located on the uh roof uh of the It's on It's on the front the front side of the building.

Yeah. And um down to the porch roof. So, we met with uh a gentleman who uh came out and evaluated the um location of the current um fire escape and where we could move it to. And according to code, um we were unable to move the fire escape just simply due to the measurements that were taken from the original uh or the first entrance to the second entrance. um and he basically said that it was not

possible for us to move it. So what we were looking to do was simply take the funds from moving the fire escape um to having the fire escape properly um treated and painted to have it um I guess be camouflaged a little bit more uh blend into the to the building itself because right now it's just metal and it kind of sticks out like a sore thumb.

It's on the front of the house. Um so what we're looking to do is simply take the funds from moving the fire escape to treating and painting the fire escape.

Um the second part was the um uh second grant was to install a two stop vertical lift. Um I won't get on the entire line but lift enclosures the cement slab elevation so on and so forth to have um ADA compliant access to uh the building. And what we've multiple reiterations of this, we've gone through and decided that um a better option for us would be to place a ramp around the south side um of the

building which would go back into the um second egress uh back side of the building off the kitchen. And um what we're looking to simply do is again take the funds from the elevator lift and um apply them to a ramp. So we've reached out to the historical commission and been told that we do not um need to have any permission from them. Um that there's nothing that's needed uh on that end. And

I had his name sitting here.

It was from Jason Naraki.

Okay.

Um so what our again the reason for us here is just to simply the the funds have already been awarded the first and the second grant have already been awarded to the art association. We were just simply asking and making sure it was advised to us by Rick that we at least you know kind of keep the um the board in the loop so to speak as to what

we were looking to do was to not change money out of the grants keep the money in the original grant themselves. So one is for the first grant, one is for the second grant. We're just simply to reallocate funds instead of the original moving the fire escape painting it and instead of an elevator um outside we're looking to put a ramp. So, just switching of funds.

Now, on the ramps, did you have uh Glenn Hathaway from building inspectors look at to make sure it meets code?

Well, we haven't started it yet, but yes, that's part of the process. He's already our contractor um has started the process for the building.

If it meant code, I would be fine with the change.

So um after we're not able to, no, you or us, we're not able to shift funds to a whole new scope for it's essentially a new application you have to put in. Um, the war the funds can only be used for what it was awarded to. That's what the city council voted on, the mayor approved.

That is the only thing those funds can be used for. So, I'm really glad you checked because you cannot shift them to a different scope. Um, the one gray area might be the fire escape. I don't know if in your initial scope you already had treating it and painting it, that would be the maybe one you could do. But in terms of the ramp, that's a whole new scope. You'd have to submit a whole new

grant for that, a whole new application for a grant for that.

So, we were under because the grant itself wasn't specifically for a lift.

The grant itself was for ADA compliant ADA compliant accessibility.

It's whatever is written into this the scope for the award. So, if it's vague, then then it's at the I think the behest of the the board. Um, but if it's specifically in your grant award, like what it's for, it can't be.

The lift itself was the verbiage from the architect.

So, it's not in the grant award. I just don't have the copy in front of me. And um so that'd be my one thing I would I would also I want to say that the one contractor that came and gave us a price for the lift gave us a price for the entire amount of the grant and he wanted that money to go to the first phase of the first grant. He

wanted us to take the money from the second to the first.

Yep.

To complete the first grant and not even give us a lift. There was another architect that came in, another contractor, Kleta out of Secon.

We talked about restoring restore it the original.

He wanted to take the columns are bad.

Some of those are going they're going to have to be replaced. The railings, the spindles, all that stuff. He wanted to come in and replace it all brand new. He gave me a a grant uh he gave me a bill for $600,000.

And I notified the architect about that and he says, "Oh, that's ridiculous." So, we've turned down certain contractors because they were just outrageously over the bid. We've turned down other uh contractors because when we we finally had come to an agreement, promises he had all the all the licensing. When we did our research, found out they weren't licensed to do structural stuff.

Mhm. So, we got rid of that. We got rid of that guy. So, we were doing our our due diligence to stay within the budget.

Okay. It's been a heck of a a heck of a haul here.

Now, the work some of the work has started. The uh the contractor we now have has brought the painters in.

They've been starting on the facade.

This is one of the spindles.

the painting contractor. They are fully licensed for lead removal.

They were up on a on a porch roof. They put the top down. They were in heper suits. It was like 90° out.

Wet the whole front of the building down, then scraped it to minimize the dust and all of the other stuff. So, this is the the spindle. This is what they would do. This is what would happen. the same railing, the same spindles, unless they're damaged be like there's a few that are snapped. Those would have to be we would take one of these and rem, you know, have it re returned a new one out of mahogany.

I have a question for you.

Y I live a few blocks from you and I've had my historical I have a historical board and house, had my entire port redone. And so in order for you to come up to code, your height of your rails need to be different. There's all different things you have.

Not if we restore them.

Not if it's restored.

If we rehab, you better talk to the building inspector because I had to go and change out all my rails. I'm just letting you know this. And And again, I Rick and I are neighbors. We walked by your your places. And um again, my recommendation was I don't know why you don't do a ramp in the back of this, but I'd also make sure where your property line is to the

the one just south of you, that red building.

And that was the only thing that I had any angst about putting a ramp back there. And I said, "This is what I would do if I if it was my property."

The ramp fits on the inside of the sidewalk.

We own to the other side of the sidewalk.

Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I appreciate that. The other thing is I also have the same type of um structure in the back. My my uh home or my home office is a two family and it has the same type of fire escape. That fire escape in the front of that. As soon as you start touching it, you need to bring it up the code. And so we you can see the one it's the back of our h

it's the back of our property. You don't see it.

We can't touch it at all. We can't even like even shingling around it. We have cannot touch it because then you have to bring that up to code.

So you can't paint the wrong way. You can't I'm just I'm giving you the I'm just giving you the heads up because I would rather not have you do something that you could have, you know, avoided as what Alex was mentioning. I don't know the language on the contract. wasn't part of this when it came through. But um you know maybe maybe look through that and then if I don't know funds can

be used for the same way. I don't I have really no legal input on that.

So I probably want to see the language too of the existing agreement but um how many projects do you have currently ongoing? cuz I know you've gotten a couple different grant. Two two different grants. Two grants. Two grants. And then they're working on the first we're working on the porch.

Mhm.

Because that whole porch all the underneath I can address to that. It's we've seen some of the agreement. Uh first of all, if uh CPC if there's uh you say it falls under the old code, right? If you do use CPC money, they like you to improve it to the new code.

So the new code might be handicap or whatever, they want to see the new code put in because for the handicap accessible.

So if it's any new codes, we do grant them. So the project description for your first round was porch, new wood, railing, molding, gutters, roof system, electrical, exterior light fixtures, replace wood siding, repainting wood.

Um, that scope has been reduced significantly. Correct.

Yeah. Well, actually paint wood trim, window restoration, fire escape, repair roof, fire escape, new down spouts, repair wood and gutter. So, it's paint but not the fire.

Well, it was also actual too cuz that's more the lead water the lead lines were removed.

Sorry.

That's okay.

the lead all the the the lead worker uh the all copper has been put in the state and the city paid they had some project going on where the they pulled the the lead from the main I know we're talking about so that's all done all the copper that's already been completed the foundation has been completed okay we are now we finally got a guy a contractor. He has the contractor's supervisor unrestricted license which

gives him the right the ability to do the structural trying to find somebody with that. I had Kenny Pacho in he came out looked at it never got back to me with a price. I went to his place three four times. So it's been a a devil of a job getting somebody. Mhm.

Now we've got a guy in there and we're we're doing things like one kind of like one at a time so we can stay within the you know work within the budget.

Mhm. So, like if you want us to restore and replace these uh uh re reconditional, if if the if I've got to change this, then all of this has got to go.

Well, does the the contract stated that this would be restored?

Not replaced. Restored and reconditioned.

Did you bring one?

Ref. you restore it is a good way.

So that's what we've been going by. If we did that, we could keep the existing railings. We're going to have to replace the columns. He's going to have to retrofit them. They're going to remove those those uh railings and spindles, take that apart at his place so they can do this to it. Ju I'm just letting you know. Well, I I I I I I I did exactly what you're talking about, and this was before CPA

even existed. And so when when we were finished with it, we did one rail, had the inspector look at it. It wasn't up to the height requirement code. And so we ended up just finding almost a replica. There's a whole industry that just you can buy these things from. I think I paid five bucks a spindle for them, but they cuz they were getting painted. It didn't matter if they were I

wasn't going to use Lebanese cedar. I'm like, I'm going to paint it. I'll I'll use whatever it is. And so I used pressuret treated, painted it, but made it exactly the same duplicate of that, but it was up.

Excuse me, Mike. Let me just interject.

The railing heights on a on an older significantly listed structured home does not have to change.

And what the ideal height is is the windows sill. All right? And it does not have to change those those columns. I those spindles are fine. You if someone forced you or compelled you to raise the height, shame on you because it's not it's not legal if the house is listed significant structures. This one is no problem. So he can remain with the same column. I didn't want to make So what's the question before us? This

isn't an extension. You're just No, the only thing we were doing is simply communicating with the board because you guys were, you know, nice enough to give us the two grants.

We in talking with Rick, we said, "Well, if we change certain things, should we?"

And he said, "Yeah, you should come in front of the board and at least Right." you know.

Well, so I think what I'm getting at is Thank you for giving us the update. um to be we'd probably want to look at the contract language to make sure. Uh generally the rule of thumb is you can't change uh scope as written in your contract agreement. So the devil is in the wording of your agreement which we'll have to check back on. Um can I ask a question?

I think you have to come up.

Okay. So I'm going to ask this question and identify the reason.

Hi um Dana Bart. um some crazy person on the uh board of directors of the art association. So my question is what drove this second grant was the fact that we had to redo this porch, we would never have have even put this on a on a on anything else other than we were told that because we spent x amount of dollars on this porch because we had to we had to we had to

get something ADA compliant. Um there were original talks to put a put a lift up to put a a ramp down the back and then um I don't know what happened with that. It just sort of went by the wayside. So they came up with this ADA compliant lift. So I guess my question is regarding the language um again um we have to become ADA compliant. If we go back to putting a lift in here, that's

going to that, to be blunt, that's going to drive this second grant right out of the water just because it's that much more money because that's just what it is. But if we did an ADA, same thing, ADA compliant ramp, um it would not make it would not be that, you know, it will not drive that that um that second grant out of the water um and force us to come

back and say, "Hey, you know what? This grant is not nearly enough." I I it's it feels like to me and I understand I understand all about the language and all of that, but the language was ADA compliancy. Um and that's the thing that drove this second grant. It wasn't the fact that we wanted to put a ramp in. Um and we're trying to be as as um how do I

word this? As compliant as we possibly can given the fact that this house is not ever meant for compliancy. Um and and so that I guess that's my question.

You know, language is important. Yes, I get that. But the language is we had to be ADA compliant. So why why why does it matter to to be blunt? Why does it matter if we do a lift that's going to cost three times as much as a ramp that we can get, you know, get to the to the proper That's what I'm saying. I just don't know the language. If it is ADA

compliant, you have some some wiggle room. And I would just, you know, caution that you have a limited amount of grant amount, you know, and there's escalation. So, like, you know, you're doing your due diligence below budget.

Yeah. So, like I think personally I prefer to ramp over the lift. You know, probably the first person in 9 months that have said, "Hey, I don't I'm below budget. Thanks for the 400 grand."

I'm not I'm not against the ramp or anything. I'm just saying like it just we just have to go by the contract agreement which we don't. So what we're saying is we have to look at that before anybody's comfortable voting. Right now I would say vote too is what I'm saying.

No, what I would say is we're going to table this and we'll look over the agreement. You won't have to come to next meeting.

Okay.

We'll we'll look it over and if it does fall in line, we'll vote on it at the next meeting.

Okay.

So you're So I'm on the planning board.

What you need what you need to do is we have ADA compliance person who regulates this, right?

Okay. I think what what the problem is is that they said the lift had to be in the front of the main entrance to this.

Yep.

No, they that was the only place that it would I I know. I know. But did they ever explore putting it into the back? Cuz that's the the back way is it's a C.

It's first first floor, right? It's still the first floor.

But the it it's an elevated back.

Yeah.

If we would have gone to the back Yeah.

it would have had to have been an elevator. a lift would not go high enough. And this was with the architect.

No, I know who they are.

Okay. Now, the ramp will start where the lift was going to go.

Yeah.

It's going to go down the east the the south side of the house.

Yep.

Wrap to the back.

Yep.

And come in on the back of the building.

We would put a brand new door. And all of that was going to be a lot less than the lift. So, what I what I'm saying to you is you need to talk to again the city of Fall River has an ADA compliance person. That's all they do. If if it's okay with them and our language is okay with them, then you're okay with them.

But you need you need to make sure that's that's actually true.

That's what I said. Just we'll make a motion to table to next table. Well, we don't need to table it if it is. We just Well, we're going to keep it on the agenda basically.

We're going to put it back on the agenda. So, it's up to date. Yeah, but we don't have to vote on it.

Well, we can vote to put it on the agenda.

Well, they don't need to come back and sit through another meeting. We'll get the language to and we'll let them.

So, what can I ask last one last Sorry, one last follow-up question. So if if the language is that we have to have a lift, we have to have a lift or you give the grant back if you don't want to do the lift. That's always a possibility and then you can reapply for Yeah. for what you Perfect.

Essentially, you know, starting over kind of.

Yep.

With the knowledge of the past.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Have a good night.

Can I have a motion to adjurnn?

Motion to adjurnn.

Motion to We got more stuff on the We're not journal.

Oh, I wanted to give give tell them how to where to get this.

Do they want they replace?

Okay. Project update.

I'll ask them.

I'll ask them.

Okay. Project. We'll start.

Yeah. Uh, Chel Rock Church. That's second.

What do we Oh, we could always We could just do this at the next meeting because it's already trying to do this for like five months. Come on.

It was supposed to be before they talked tonight, by the way.

No, it wasn't. Project updates is after.

Fine. Skip. Skip. Go ahead. Skip one.

Just All right. All right.

Steven, how long is it going to take?

Go ahead. We're here now. Let's go.

My update is done.

I I I think I think Christ I think Christ Rock Church right now is stabilized. They paid the additional funds to put in the straps on there and they put in a new application. But, you know, again, they they're still a long way from finishing this project.

They're done with their the grant. So, yeah, they are done with the grant.

They have more money on this.

If they come in with this additional three, that's going to be like less than update the this is just the existing projects.

I know, but the total project is like half of what it was. So, looking good, I think, isn't it?

What they're quoting is just for the tower. The initial big number that they presented was for the whole church, which they told me they were going to selfund.

Okay, there you go. All right. Any other updates?

No, that was it.

Yeah.

Well, I thought it was going to be like a long We're done.

I I don't have any right now.

All right. Uh I just new business still. I just have um update on central fire station. They ordered the windows. Uh they're taking the medallions.

Um fire museum still bidding out the roof.

Um that's all I have.

Any of your projects?

Rowing club is doing fairly well when but their biggest problem is not money or anything else. It's wind that the that the lake is just very the lake is more windy now this year than I have ever seen it or felt it. whatever you do to wind and uh but it's but they the the they have a calm day and they have no must have a notification system and everybody turns

out and uh it's it's very very successful.

Oh, good. Good. Good.

Joanne, did you want to say anything about the the uh rowing club?

No, she's on a delay.

Oh, she's got a delay cuz she's the other person that looks at it. All righty.

But no, no. Okay.

Okay. Rick, any updates?

Um, no.

BJ and I went and looked at the uh classroom school.

Um, they're preparing to install the sprinkler system. We got a a tour. Um they have not though started to utilize a historic preservation firm to look at the building and that has to be completed within 6 months of the signature and that was I believe June the 15th and it appears even at this date that they haven't called anyone. So I I don't know where it where what's happening but you want to talk

Yeah. No, I mean the building's full of uh he has a lot of stuff in there that he has to get out if he's going to do the sprinklers that we were going to do, but step one is to get the uh consultant in to get the building back looking historical. And he he hadn't done that as of when we were there the other day.

And so I don't know if he's done anything and he only has six months.

That's what the grant says. Yeah.

Keep keep an eye on him because uh he doesn't answer emails either. So, we want to cuz uh Ken Fiola offered to help come in and help him get the next stages going. So, he has the opportunity. So, let's make sure he either does it or we bring it back up for discussion.

Um any new business?

No.

Okay. Are we having fun yet?

Oh, yeah. Motion to adjurnn.

Motion to adjurnn.

Good meeting.

Second.

All in favor? All right.

We got a roll call.

Roll call. Okay.

Well, we have to technically.

Okay. Roll call. Oh, yeah. Michael Ferris. Yes.

Chris Bites. Yes.

Alexander Sully. Yes.

Kristen Caner Oliver. Yes.

John Brown. Yes.

James Owensby. Yes.

Many. Yes.

Jay McDonald. Yes.

And yes.

Billy Bentley. Yes.