4.30.2025 Redevelopment Authority

Welcome to the April 30th, 2025 meeting of the Fall River Redevelopment Authority. Persuent to the open meeting where any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recording and transmission are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and

permissible. Just going to start out with a roll call. Johnny Ericson, Ron Rousen, Ben Fidleberg, Joan Maderas, and Keenan. Thank you. Also participating, Sarah Paige, our executive director, John C, legal counsel, Karen Martin, project manager. First item is approval of our open session minutes from 26 of March. If there's not any questions on those, I'll entertain a motion to

approve those. Motion approved March 26, 2005 open session meetings. Second. Any minutes? Second. Thank you. John Ericson, yes. Rod Ren, yes. Benberg, yes. Vader, yes.

Thank you. Uh, you guys have the copy of the warrant which Joan has reviewed. Uh, total dispersements of $116,449.75. If everybody's okay with those dispersements, I'll entertain a motion to approve those. Motion to approve the warrant for April 2025 at a total of 116,449.75.

Second. Second. Chair Ericson. Yes. Ron Rousen. Yes. Ben Fleberg. Yes. Joan Maderos. Yes.

Thank you. Uh, next item guys is the um financial procedures and policies manual.

um if everybody got a chance to look at this, but uh if there's any comments on it that we want to discuss or Well, actually, I looked at I thought it was very impressive. I liked it. Actually, I sent to somebody else. I thought it was very very good.

That's great. I don't believe in re I don't believe in reinventing the wheel.

I believe in good is good. I actually went through all 20 pages. I was fascinated. Great. It was awesome job.

All right. Well, well, Karen worked really hard on it and a lot of people gave input which was great. Yeah, finished product was beautiful. Yeah.

Yeah. And the idea is that we'll um every year we'll um either you know we can change if there's any policy changes whatever we they'll get incorporated in and we'll we'll vote to approve the changes and then re and then um update the um the manual. But this has been something the auditors have wanted to for a few years. So, this should hopefully um satisfy that. Perfect. You have to sign. Definitely should. What? I

have to sign it. Don't you don't have to sign it. We just have to um vote to um approve and accept it and then I make the note in the manual as to when that occurred. Uh so, if everybody's cool with that, I need a motion to approve these financial policies and procedures manual. Perfect. Motion to approve the financial procedures and policies manual for the coral redevelopment authority.

Second. Second. John. Yes. Ron Rousen.

Yes. Ben Fidleberg. Yes.

Joan voting. Oh, Joan Maderas. Yes.

Yes.

Oh, thank you. We can put that to bed now. Yay. Uh, let's see. Karen's going to talk about the um the parking lot renewal. Events. Yeah.

So, we are back into the getting geared up for the summer season at City Pier.

Um the just so you know that what we've got for the events going on right now, there is the Fall River Symphony is going to be out on the pier um for their 100th they're celebrating their 100th anniversary and they're going to be out there on June 14th with um a concert from 6:30 to 9:30. Um they are doing a dress rehearsal on Friday night on June 13th. So um you know but there won't be

it won't be a formal it's just going to be a dress rehearsal. But on the 14th they're planning a big celebration and it'll have I think there's eight food trucks that are going to be out there.

Um they're doing the stage like the Narrows is doing. We're still I'm going to be meeting with the um the guy bringing the stage.

Um Sam's trying to set up a time for us to go out there and coordinate all the details, but there's going to be the stage. They're probably going to put up a video, too. Um and there'll be the food trucks and Primo will be there serving um beer and wine. And um the rain is for June 15th. Um so that will be kind of the the first event. Um, then we're going to be Sam's trying to

finalize schedule for yoga out on the pier. It's probably going to be each Friday in June. And then again, she's trying to see if we can get it in September. Um, kite night is going to be Wednesday, June 18th from 5 to 8. And then the 4th of July is that big celebration is 5 to 9. And that will be pretty similar to last year's event with the food trucks and all the um

festivities. And then the Y is also doing July um uh workout events and um FIFA uh females in action is doing August events out there, exercise groups and stuff. So that's what we've got going on. It's going to be a confusing probably um summer season just because they're going to be paving the roadways doing all the shared walkway paths. Like right now there's so many orange cones out in

front of City Perry. It's like amazed. I was in the wrong lane yesterday, but I managed to write myself. Um, but it um and the sidewalks the the boardwalk is open to the city pier and then you can do the boardwalk from city pier, but the sidewalk right out in front of city pier is cordoned off. So that it's um it's it's tight access. They'd have to go um uh access from the boardwalk basically

onto city pier. Um, we are, one of the things that I do have that we need to vote on is the parking lot renewal is due and um, they agreed to give us a one-year uh, renewal of that and the period is from June 1st, 2025 through I mean July 1st, 2025 through June 30th, 2026. Our current um, uh, lease agreement ends on um, June 30th. Um the price is the same, the $30,000 and that

was in the warrant and now I just need um a motion to approve the renewal agreement and have Johnny sign the agreement. So do we need to do anything for the symphony or are they all set?

No, they're pretty much the one thing that's really helpful is Sam is pretty much coordinating all the logistics. The symphony really um has never done any type of event like this, an outdoor event or anything. So Sam has been pivotal in um getting the logistics all set, getting the food trucks, the layout. She hooked them up with the um the stage guy that she's used a lot. And

I think that it's going to it it's going to run a lot better than if the symphony was just going to kind of trial and error. It they've got an 80piece um 80 piece orchestra that they have to get out there and set up. And um we had a meeting today with them that I attended and we've kind of coordinated the details and they understand the logistics of everything a lot better. So

I think um with Sam there and she's going to be there that day, it's it's um I feel much better about it. Who's Sorry, who's the um the city leasing the parking lot from? We lease the parking lot. It's from It's from 6148 LLC. It's the property. It's owned by um Mr.

Garum. Public Gar. Yeah, it's right between Haway and Taylor Streets. That empty lot, it's fenced off right now in front of Point Gloria. Yeah.

Yeah. It's kind of like Yeah. So, it's um we fill it up when we use it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's the same terms as last year where some reason if he sells or if he starts building on it, we get re because we're paying him in advance. Yes. And we get reimbursement whatever months we're not used now. Yes. I don't think Well, I'm not sure how far he's done with any plans for that property. Yeah. Not not the I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. The other thing is uh the actual work that's

being done there. Any idea when that's going to be closer to Have they given you any idea? Is a month, two months, three months or the whole summer?

So, they're going to So, the paving is going to start from south to north. So, the plants I believe are open now. Um and it looks like they're getting ready to start laying down pavement. So then they'll probably do the curbing and the pavement and then come back and do the shared use paths.

Um I have not been able to pin down any dates as to like when they'll be done the shared use path in front of city pier. Okay. Um but it's it's my guess is it's going to be June July. Okay.

Yeah. They did. I noticed this morning they were paving like on the north side.

Yes. Towards a bridge like across from the um sausage place that makes the Louisisa or whatever. Right across from that there's a new Oh, that new that new Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's in the middle kind of street. Right. Yeah. Yeah. When I had last talked to um one of the um project guys, they they had said they'd be coming down um this this south to north when they start doing the road with the sheared

the shared use path. So, it's been a mess last time these traffic has been horrendous. Yeah, it's been well, it's it's the logistics and there's so many orange cones. You're trying to figure out where your path is in amongst all those cones. It's kind of a maze. Uh so um on that note then I just need a motion to um extend this uh same deal 30,000 till June of 20 June 30th of

26 and then authorize you to sign and authorize me to sign this agreement parking license agreement.

What is the usage of the parking lot in offse? Um, I would think it's kind of a seasonal use in the summertime. In the fall when people are down on the boardwalk, is it kind of just a vacant lot when it tends to be pretty vacant? I mean, I think on the weekend there's some people that use it. Um, but during the week, I don't think there's a lot of uses in the off season.

It's just there's nowhere else to park because you can't park on the street.

Right. Right. It's very tough to get to it right now. Very tough.

Well, I mean, when we do have events, when we had that uh food truck event, it was full. When we had the dedication, it was full. Most of the yoga classes, I think the yoga girls use that. Yes, they do. And it's been full for just about all the events. Even the kite night, it was full that night. Yeah. I mean, all the um exercise people tell their people

to park there. Yeah. Like the Y does and the FIA does and all of them. So, even a lot of people walking on the boardwalk use that. Not even go to pier. They just want to walk on the boardwalk. They park there sometimes. I see three or four cars here almost every night. Yeah. Yep.

I agree. I'll just say we didn't have it. We didn't rent it until Deval Street was getting ripped up and there was nowhere for people to park. And so that's when this started and once Deval Street is done, we'll no longer need it.

The other thing to say is that it is just a grassy lot and the city um ms it ms it for us and um so that's how it how it works.

We didn't really have the option Ben of like renting it this month and then skipping two months and then it so we just did the whole Makes sense.

Okay. Motion to approve the renewal of the parking lot lease at 600 Deval Street at a price of $30,000 per year with the stipulations. If something changes and something's built there, we would get reimbursement back on all the funds and to authorize the chair to sign the agreement. And I authorizing Johnny to sign the agreement. Second. Second.

John, yes. Ron Rousen, yes. Fleberg, yes. Joan Maderos, yes. Yes. Thank you.

Okay.

Um, some more updates on the pier. So, we um I had the water meter installed yesterday. I was down with a crew there and um we got that installed and um I talked to Tim Dilva. He is probably going to be out there in the middle of May doing like a the kind of spring cleanup of anything and um uh refreshing all the beds. And when he's out there,

I'm going to take a look with him and see if it looks like there's, you know, anything that didn't overwinter. Um, just in being out there yesterday and walking around, it looks like a lot of stuff did pretty well over this winter.

So, I don't think we'll have a lot of plant replacement. Um, we're still in debate about that pine tree. The poor pine tree. It's It's trying really hard to survive. Um, so we'll we'll take a closer look at that.

And um so I don't think they'll there'll be much with that. And then um the other thing I'm going to need to have you vote on is I've talked to the irrigation um company that we used last year, PNG, and um he um has given me his pricing for this year. And we're going to do it on a time and material not to exceed uh 7500 and over the season because he will

have, you know, some repairs. and I'm going to have him do he'll have to do the startup and the shutdown and an inspection in the middle of the summer to make sure everything's operating okay. Um and he is pretty much ready to go once we know the contracts approved.

So, um we should hopefully get that started up um by like the middle of May also. And um other than that, I think um the it'll be in um pretty good shape.

The it looks like the grass has really come in really well. That aration from the fall I think really helped with um building up a nice thicker lawn to help with drainage and everything. So I think we're going to be in really good shape out there. Remember um behind the stage we had that kind of wet spot these Yeah.

And I think that I I think we're in a lot better shape. The other thing I talked to Tim when I was out there um around Yeah. So I think that that I think it's going to be okay. Um, and the one thing he's going to do is the the manholes that exist there, the um between the mowings and the way the drainage has happened is kind of build some hump kind of around the perimeter

of the um the manhole covers. So, he's going to um this is going to sound weird, but he's going to kind of weed whack at an angle so that it trims down that hump so the water will drain um much nicer into the the minion holes. So, I think between the having the grass really take hold and um clearing that little um impediment at the drain manhole covers, I think we'll be okay. I mean, if we're

going to have an event out there after a heavy rain day, I mean, I think you're still going to have some mud. There's nothing you're going to be able to do about that. If the ground is wet and you start putting activity on it, you're just stirring it up. So, I I don't know how you can stop that. But I think that overall it's in a much better um uh situation than it has been. Okay. Good.

So I need uh excuse me, I entertain a motion to approve the agreement with PNG air irrigation for the maintenance with a cost not to exceed $7,500 for the period of May 1 to November 1 and authorize the chair to sign the agreement.

So, it's $7,500 per year. That includes the shutting it down, opening back all the irrigation. Yes. And the company is called PNG. It's um it's technically Ann Julins, Inc. in the division is called the irrigation division is PNG Irrigation. PNG Irrigation. Yeah. And you were happy with them last year?

Yeah. Okay.

So, make a motion to accept the contract for PNG irrigation for $7,500 and also authorize the chair to sign. Second.

Second.

Ericson, yes. Ron Ren, yes.

Yes. John Maderas, yes. Yes.

Thank you. Uh Karen's going to uh bring us up to date on our recent uh bid and contract award for the Cathotic Protection at the North Pier. Yes. So, we had our bid opening on April 17th. We had um we received five um bids and um I sent those as part of the bid package, the results.

Um the low bidder was CH Marine. Um he was significantly lower. There were discussions with the engineer and he requested a voluntary withdrawal of his bid and we concurred with that. We went to the next lowest bit of Kavanaaugh Marine have checked references and have been very pleased with what we have found out for information and um and spoke with them and they are um willing

to take on the project at the the quoted prices. We've done um purchasing has done their department check and they have all their forms and um based on discussions with the engineer ourselves and looking at the budget we want to propose that we provide a contract to Kavanaaugh Marine for the base bid and to cover the work of alternate one which was the coding on the southacing sides

of the splash area above the intertital zone to the underside of the deck. And that whole contract amount would be um 260,646.80. And um all of this would be allowed would be part of the um the grant money that we've received. It's a little over the original budget, but there's contingency money built into the grant that we can access to pay the overage. So what happened to CN Marine?

Um they talked with the engineer and discussed the work and their bid and they decided that they wanted to they wanted to voluntarily withdraw their their proposal which there was a big discrepancy. There was a big Yeah, there was a big discrepancy in price. It was I'm just that's what I'm looking at. I mean it was over $100,000. Yeah. Way over $100,000. Usually that's an indication somebody missed something.

We didn't we did not argue the point.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We did not argue the point and they don't to be perfectly honest they didn't have the the length of it the they're a young outfit. Um so um Kavanaaugh's been around for a while and they've done this type of work and um I I you know nothing against them. I just don't um they just voluntarily wanted to withdraw the proposal and we agreed. I can't believe the the difference in the prices. The

fifth guy was wow that's Yeah. Even their alternates were really low. Right.

So the Kavanaaugh marine we're saying we're going with the total bid. Did you also say not alternate one but alternate two splash zone? It's alternate one which is the splash zone area above that intertitle. remember that intertital zone that gets so um it's from so it's from 2 feet above the mean low water line to the underside of the the uh the of the deck of the underside of the pier

and the splash zone would have been above that splash zone would that's the splash zone the intertidal zone is the is right between it's like low tide to high tide okay that's that's so we doing all three no we've we've opted to hold off on that um that that intertital zone. So, we're only doing the alternate 525 denso. Yes. And we're not doing the splash zone. We're not doing the splash

zone material. It's called splash zone material, but it's not actually in the splash zone. It's confusing. Okay. So, it's about a total of 260,000.

260,64680 would be the total contract amount to Kavanaaugh. Okay. So, now taking the alternate two is because of price. It's because of price and because it's not necessarily a priority zone that needs to be addressed at this time.

And I did I did talk to Kavanagh who's done a lot of these codings and he really said that it's the bang for your buck is in the anodes. He agreed with everything the cathotic protection engineer had said and he said that it would be important to get that whole splash area though where above because wave action is what constantly beats these steel um bulkheads. So he said that that's really what you need to do.

So and you know he he he's done a lot of it. A lot of it. So So if I remember correctly, the engineers estimate for the base was like 218 and they they were 209, right? Yep. And then on alternate one, they were right in the same ballpark as the engineers. Okay, good.

Uh, so if everybody's cool with that, I just need that uh motion to um how do you say that word? Catholic. Cathotic.

Cathodic. Cathodic. Motion to move the cathodic protection for a total of two Cavanaaugh Marine Inc. for a total of $260,646.80 and authorize our chair to sign the agreement. Second. Second.

Second. Sean Ericen. Yes. Ron Rousen.

Yes. Benleberg. Yes. Madaras. Yes. And thank you. And do you have an estimated start of construction? Um so we're going to try to put together a pre- bid in the next I not a pre-bid a kickoff in the next um probably week 10 days and um he's just trying to figure out um the delivery time for the anodess and he may go out and start um some stuff before that. So, um, once I call him tomorrow,

um, but I'm assuming we would probably be out there in June, probably doing work. Do they have a sense of how long?

I don't think, um, I didn't get into those details with him quite yet. Yeah, I didn't really want to, you know, um, go totally down that road yet. So, um, but when I talk to him tomorrow, I'm going to get a lot more, um, information about that. And he'll, he said he'd try to have all that stuff by the time we did the kickoff meeting, too. So, um, so

I think we'll be, um, my guess would, my sense would be we'd be starting in June.

Yeah. And did they have to put up anything on City Pier? No, he's going to work from a boat. Yeah. He's going to work from a boat even to, you know, to do the coding, to do the diving, and everything else. So, he's got he's got a place right up the river a little bit.

It's just past um like where Barretts is. I don't know what they call that pier up there where he he but he's got a he's got a small shop up there. He's mainly out of Tiverton is his main um spot, but so he's like you said he drives he boats by there all the time.

So he's been wondering where we were going to do this work. Who's going to verify this? We hiring somebody to make sure they do the job right or Fth Engineering we approved in the last um the people who did the design and engineering are going to be doing the construction oversight and we've got um included in there was um a diver to go out and and make sure all the work is um

So um next item I think it was in the board package the description of the the Brownfields award. Yeah, I was gonna have Sarah just update where we are with that. Yeah.

So, um I wanted to give you a little update that uh the mayor, so the people so far who are going um I'm not going to give you the whole list, but they include the mayor, Senator Rodri, the new CEO of Mass Development has accepted. Um they were a funer. So we in we um invited our uh whole delegation all of our funders and um other and then everyone who was

really part of our team. So Ken is going, John is going um uh Reagan Marine. Oh, and Karen's going and I'm going. uh Reagan Marine um we hoped might go and they couldn't but they're now owned by MAS and MAS is sending one of the people we worked with um when they were doing construction and um Beta has a whole table. Joe Mclofflin is the one who encouraged us to apply for this.

He'll be there. Other people from Beta will be there. I heard from Millie um uh the DP, the person who was the regional head of um D for the South Coast who is now a assistant commissioner of D and she was just so excited that we got this award and I think she's going to come and some other D people but that doesn't seem totally confirmed.

Um, and Patrick Norton's coming and uh have you all I know Johnny's coming. Ron, you're coming. Um, unfortunately I I can't. I know you can't. That's too bad. Joan, have you decided? I don't know because I don't have a date. There's no date on this. I think it's the sixth. Yeah, July 7th.

June 4th. June 4th. It's in my form. I thought that I sent the invit I sent the invitation separate from the board package that gave you all the details.

Yeah, it's 4 to 7:30 on June 4th at the city w Boston city winery. Yeah, I think I'm out. That sounds without looking I think it sounds bad. Yeah, it's a lot to get there. Who's running that? Is that the It's the Environmental Business Council of New England and they have a lot of major donors. Their board is I guess very power has a lot of very influential people on it. Um there are lots of

environmental law firms. I think National Grid, other uh energy companies. It's a really significant organization and um it's all about environmental uh remediation and environmental issues.

They have one award per year or is it there are I think three other awards being given out um each year they give um it's different categories. Yeah, different categories like I think this year there's a lifetime achievement award and a couple of others. you may want to get on their website. It's really interesting. Oh, when I sent you the invitation, I linked to the I sent you a link to the

um uh what they have on their website about our project and there's a great picture. We looked and looked for a good picture and um one of them kind of showed all of Route 79 under construction and I asked Beta if they could get rid of some of that because it wouldn't make a lot of sense. So, one of their um staff who we've worked with um Andrew who does a lot of the landscape

work we've um design that we've had um he really he kind of combines some photographs. So, it's a great shot of kind of the side of city pier. You see uh the Braga Bridge and you don't see a lot of construction. So, um, so we've been working hard on getting all these invitations out and all these details and, uh, it's exciting. Awful.

Do they give you like a press packet or anything that they're going to? Yeah.

Okay. So, you can at least people can know about it. Yeah. I've told um the community foundation wants info so that they can put it in their newsletter. The chamber wants that. So, I'm sure we'll get good recognition. And it's been nice. I've had people write and go, "Oh, congratulations. That's so exciting." And people don't realize what that was at one time. And what what a monster that

was for 20 years. Yeah. Remember, I mean, there were sunken boats falling, the rocks were falling into the water.

Yeah. And a one time almost hotel going there. There's been so many different ventures that were going to go there.

And then until they realized how uh Let's just say dirty. It was very very dirty. And it pretty much you put the only thing you could probably could put on you without spending $10 million.

Yeah. And it also it had um PCBs that triggers the EPA. Once you get the BCBs, it's a whole kind of level of So, the other thing to say that has surprised people is every one of these 20 partners gets a little plaque and um you know, we'll get a plaque for the redevelopment authority and put it somewhere and John will get one behind Johnny.

Yeah. Bring it down. Meeting Um, and oh, the other thing I was going to say is they do a podcast. So Ken Joe Mclofflin and I did a interview podcast um over the phone with the director of EBC and um then pieces of that are pulled out and put together with video and photographs we send them which we're still working on and that gets shown at the event and then the podcast puts up

later after the event. Um, and it's targeted especially at uh people in college who they want to have join this field. So that's that update.

Picnic tables. Picnic tables. All right.

So, um I have done a little bit of research into the possibility of putting maybe four picnic tables out at City Pier. Um Sam in the mayor's office who does the events has had between all the people that she talks to in doing these events and you know the people at events, the vendors things, they they think that it might be nice to have a couple of picnic tables out there. Um,

there's a question as to whether does it spoil the openness of city pier. I'm not necessarily sure about that based on the this is this is what I would like to at least try and see if it would be worth it. I looked at um the city pier layout as such, right?

And we have these little things that don't show up great on this drawing, but they're little half moons. Like if you're walking out there, you'll see that as you're walking, there'll be like a half moon that extends into the grass on the peers. So, um that could be a spot where we could put a picnic table that looks like this that has a um side here that is open for wheelchair access or stroller access or

whatever. And that would line up along the walkway side. And then we would have a center anchor that would go in the middle of that half moon area. And then there would be um one of the the opposite bench would hang a little over into the grass that would be behind that location. Um but the thing that's good about this type of a setup is um we can get under it to weed whack the grass. we

can get under it is I mean depending on how they get used if they're used a lot there may be wear spots underneath the seats and stuff but we'd be able to manage that with you know seating and and you know refurbishing that area during the season. So this is just I've done an initial investigation. This color was a lighter color. It's called desert tan. So it won't get I mean

anything you're going to put out there it's in direct sun. So you're not going to put black or anything there to be just really hot in the summer. So, and this supposedly has a 50-year guarantee against breakage. That's a long time.

It's composite, right? What? It's a composite material. Yes. And then um I was proposing potentially just four locations, two on each pier, and just to see what they get for use and to see if it it's just another there are some benches out there, but this gives a tabletop so somebody could sit and have lunch kind of comfortably or a family could sit and relax and play a little

bit and just have a drop zone for like, you know, all the kids stuff and everything. It was just something that I wanted to bring up. I put together a rough estimate as to what the cost might be to install these and the each of these units is roughly $1600 right now.

I didn't get any direct quotes or anything yet. I didn't know what the appetite would be for the board to if they thought it was a good idea, not a good idea. I can I can firm up some numbers by the time of our next meeting if we thought that this was um a reasonable um amenity for the city pier or not. Um, so I guess I'm just trying

to get an idea as if you think this would be um a positive thing for the pier or not. So they go on the grass then? No, it would be anchored in the concrete. They'd be talking about weed whack. Well, because um so if this is along the edge, this is a 4ft table and it's only a three-foot depth half moon at the deepest point. So the the a

little bit of the table and a little bit and the bench that's on that opposite side will hang out over the grass. I gota it'll look like actually I sketched it out in a very and the architect might appreciate it but nobody else will appreciate it. But here is the walkway with the table and the three legs. And this is the half moon and this is the part that would extend of the grass. So it doesn't

interfere with the actual pathway at all. It won't block the pathway. If there is a wheelchair or somebody puts a stroller in there, it will um that will go on the walkway. But there's the walkway is spacious enough that you can get around it easy enough. It's at least 12 ft. 10 ft anyway. Yeah, it's it's definitely a 3ft store 7 foot to go by.

Yeah, that was I was just making sure the wheelchair could get to that spot where Yeah, it definitely can. So, it's it makes it easy for them. But, um I think there's been enough people who've asked for it. I don't think it would really obstruct the open openness of City Pier and it might be something that um John Q public could really would really appreciate but um like I say it

could be just with rough pricing it could be somewhere up around 8 grand to do something like this but usually anchor the base of that picnic table into the concrete to get dug up at all or No, we would just drill this. It's 1/2 inch bolts you'd have to put in there. You'd probably epoxy them in. Yeah.

You know, he'll he'll be a good good We have the mail trucks and he'll do right through that. Right into these. Yeah, these would definitely fill up at event nights and stuff. For sure. I mean, I can think of a few good ideas about that. I mean, I can see having chess night and having some people go over there and try and do chess. I mean, you could do stuff like that. Yeah. But then graffiti, that's

going to be a challenge. Yeah, that's what was one of my questions. Um, you can you can clean off of this pretty easy, it sounds like. I was reading the um I'll double check all of that, but I was reading quickly um the um they actually have a thing on their website about how to clean the graffiti off of these things. Okay. We I don't know if I I'm not putting the on

anything I don't change. No.

And the benches have been any graffiti been on those or so been for two years now right?

those three noticed. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

The only graffiti we have was hit the um hit the boxes, the metal the metal boxes.

There's a good amount of security footage down there, too. There's a lot of Yeah, we have the cameras and it's so well lit. So, um I I Any real objections? Do you want me to put together a more formal pricing? Um us paying or city paying or mixed paying or we going to ask them? Do we have to ask them to do it or no? It's our property. We'd be paying. Okay. Yeah, it's our property.

We'd be paying.

So, the one thing Karen to look at and maybe it's on in the literature is making sure that it meets accessibility codes because it does it mention that on Yeah, it does. Yes, it does. It says that it's ADA compliant. Okay, perfect.

Yep.

Yeah, I think it's short money. My two cents. I don't have a problem with it.

All right. So then what I'll do is I'll bring to the board the next meeting the actual price and we can get that voted on and approved then if we think it's a good idea and I'll have a more I'll try to have a little more formal presentation. But I mean this kind of hit all the points and I think it' be worth putting them out there. I think they're going to get really used

next month we can walk by and figure out where it is. Yeah. Get a sense of it, right? I can't figure out where it is.

I've walked through a 100 times and I can't figure out what those You don't even notice those half moons that are there. really don't.

I mean, you're just walking along and you just like all and then I that's I was out there with the um the engineer and that's when we said, "What about the half moons?" Yeah. And I was like, "Let's see if we can find something."

So, why don't we get prices and decide when we get the prices and the cost of installation at that point? Decide where we want to go with it. Yep. Okay. All right. Great. Thanks. And also, we can look for prices if and that's one place you look. Maybe there's other places.

Yeah. I'm going to look to I'm going to talk to the park I'll talk to the parks department too and see if they get better pricing anywhere. Perfect. Yeah.

I just wanted to make sure there was, you know, an appetite for Yeah.

Um Oh, Northfield uh point. No, me again. Um yes, so Northfield Point. So, we've made some great progress. We have um all the permits have now been submitted to Mass D and Meeper and they're all under review. So we submitted a notice of project change to MEEPA. We submitted two minor modifications um to the chapter 91 mass D for the dinghyd dog and for the the walkway along the north field along the

um point there. And we also submitted a notice of maintenance regarding the revetment work around the point. Um and hopefully uh we'll hear back from them.

Um you know, I don't think there's any time frame for that, but um they've been submitted. Uh we also, uh were able to finalize the granite. Um we picked our there's like 25 pieces of granite that was in the city surplus that we're um tagged and we measured and they're being coordinated onto the drawings now. And we're hoping to get final drawings for the Mooring Field and Dingy Dock project

is going to be a separate set of plans and and um bid and um specifications and um they should be ready the week of um uh Memorial Day, the week of May. I think it's the week of May 26. Um, and then we're going to get another package of drawings for Northfield Point and um, specifications.

And so those two packages will all be available for our review the week of May 26th.

Um, which leads to we're going to be the original proposal was to do one project with one bid package. But since we've potentially got that big one grant to handle the mooring fields and the dinghy docks and it's a discreet enough project, we've decided to have that be its own set of plans and bid documents. And then another one will be for the um uh uh the improvements at Northfield Point and the revetment work.

And it's kind of a a cleaner break between um work and you know um who does what. So, so there's a amendment that Beta has given to me that's to increase their contract $21,800 to include the second bid package um and um bid support for both packages. And we are hoping we're still waiting to hear for the from the big one from the um from State Fisheries Wildlife. And we hope that that should

be imminently coming maybe. Um but Seapport is definitely it is now on their website that they're going to be opening the um portal for fiscal year 26 grant proposals June 1st. So they are definitely doing it. Um I don't know if they've changed any of the dollar values or anything. That hasn't been released yet, but I'm assuming once the portal gets open, we'll be able to see that.

And so we the drawings should be finalized and they should have really good Bill said they're really fine-tuning the um budget costs for the project. So we should be in pretty good shape for that grant to write that grant proposal. Um so the other thing I think that was all I had on that really. Were we going to remember we were talking a few weeks ago about phasing the um the

brick? So the other thing the the FY24 money that we got to do the design and engineering at Northfield Point um has come in less than the total amount of the grant. And so I have just recently submitted a proposal for to the Seapport grant to use some of the excess funding in that grant to potentially apply to construction and we could maybe get in and a little earlier and do some work

with the um invasive plant management, but we can't really Seport Economic Council has to review and approve that before we could actually, you know, um commit those dollars to that. Can you give Ben a little background on it? He's not aware of the Northfield Point, so just so he knows what we're talking about. That's the Oh, I don't have any graphics, I don't think. Well, um, or at

least get it to him so he knows what we're talking about. Yeah, Northfield Point is that ugly spit of land between, um, Point Gloria and City Pier that's kind of all overgrown and scraggly. And we're um going to be we're planning to revitalize that area to a more naturalistic setting where there's going to be a nice walkway to go out to that point. And we're going to shore up the

whole shoreline along that area um with new armor stone. It's fenced off. Yeah, it's fenced off right now. Yeah. Um we had gates installed last year so we could get out there and do test pits and stuff. So there is access if needed through poison ivy, but that's okay. Was that was that going to be a fishing area, too? Well, it's not I mean it's we're not putting anything officially

out there for fishing because supposedly um there's there's going to be some um other fishing um amenities added further up the river. Um but I mean there's nothing that says they couldn't do it necessarily.

Fishing is allowed over near the uh Euima Memorial. Is that correct? No, it's not supposed to be. No, no people fish there, but there's usually um it kind of creates a bit of a mess. I've never seen it without two or three people there. I walked there many times and there's always two or three people fishing at that point and it has the lucky of all the nuts. Yeah, there was

there was a little bit of that when we first had City Pier, but that's gone away because we kind of monitored and went down and spoke to the people doing it. That's why I wish the cameras I could get on there and go, "Hey, hold it in folks." She did mention there's a another pier that's also fenced off a little bit north of that that I think that isn't this didn't the

city agree to national grid or something? Well, the city is trying to buy it from national grid. Joe Mclofflin working on it. Yeah. Done a phase one.

He's now I think doing phase two. It needed a phase two he felt. And um so the city and we are just waiting to hear what but that one's better like for fishing because it kind of has a steep the other one and it's further out into the um channel where the fish run. I think that was it seems to me that's what the mayor was talking about. The fence is actually cut there and they cut

through and they do fish over there now.

I see people going through it right now.

Yeah. If there's a will there's a way.

Yep.

So, so then um so I just need a motion to uh sign execute this amendment for uh beta for the Northfield spit. So motion to amend the previous Northfield Morenfield contract to add another $21,800 for the second bid package and for John to be able to sign it. Our chair to be able to sign it. Second.

Second. John Ericson. Yes. Ron Ren. Yes.

Ben Fidleberg. Yes. Joan Maderas and Ke.

Thanks everybody. Thank you. Um I think we're on to the Flint Sarah.

Great. Well, we got a new version of the urban renewal plan uh back from Emily Inis the other day and we're reviewing that. And now the question is I've been staying in touch with the lieutenant governor's office. The last I heard was that Meepa is working on that administrative change that would um exclude intense review of urban renewal plans by MEPA. And so the decision we have to make soon is do we go ahead and

have tie-in bond to do this intense analysis running engineering formulas to come up with all the potential energy and uh vehicle traffic or you know uh emissions that will occur if the potential develop velment occurs in um the Flint and uh it will cost around $20,000. That money is saved aside for us by Mass Housing because of the grant that we got a long time ago, but it was allocated for us to do implementation.

We could hire a consultant. We could do various projects in the Flint, which we need to do. So, I hate to have Tai and Bond spend that money and spend a lot of time and effort and phone calls and everything to go through that whole process if in fact MEPA is going to change this requirement. And so, I'm trying to get to the bottom of that.

We're going to talk with Emily about the idea of just sending this revised urban renewal plan to Meepa saying you had a lot of concerns and questions about our original urban renewal plan. We've done a number of revisions. Would you look at this now and do you feel that we need to go on to that higher level of analysis?

And I think that's worth doing and seeing what happens. Um, but the longer we don't get MEPA approval, the longer we can't really um go in and be sure that um, you know, we're afraid that there may be instances where we would want to take a parcel and we wouldn't be able to do that until we have the urban renewal plan approved.

At one time, didn't we talk about taking out like Stafford Square and a couple other things where we wouldn't have approval? Has that been done yet or no?

So that's done. So even with those out, they still want all this work done.

We're not sure. Right. Well, um, by taking Stafford Square out and those things we talked about, it means that they wouldn't have to do as our engineers would not have to give as much information because our engineers to all of a sudden start analyzing Stafford Square made no sense. So, the new version of the urban renewal plan clearly defines that these projects that we mentioned will improve the

neighborhood, but they're all city projects and so they are not part of our urban renewal plan that should be analyzed. So um so the review sorry is this analysis needed in order to get to the point to develop that area or redevelop that area well or is it something that if we don't do now we will then need to do later delaying the process or well we needed to get the approved. Yeah. The whole

reason that this is an issue is that about two years ago, all of a sudden, a legislative change led to Meepa determining that in environmental justice areas, which half much of Fall River is, then um you had to not just do the um simple environmental notification form, which was always done for urban renewal plans in the past. You had to go to a much higher level of review to really demonstrate that you were not

going to cause greater health issues and harm in an environmental justice community. The the kind of irony of this is that MEPA will review any project that goes beyond certain thresholds of number of units. Um, and none of the projects that we've identified that we think could be done within present zoning and the fact that there are real parking challenges in that neighborhood.

And um you're really right now the planning board requires that you show that you have allocated parking in order to develop the units you want to develop. So and I think it's 1.5 parking spaces per unit.

So, so if you look at the projections that we now have, which is another piece Emily added, she really went through and said you could take four pieces of property here and develop 25 units, whereas now there are no units. So, but 25 units doesn't meet the threshold that MEPA would typically um you you know hit you won't hit the threshold that would make it a MEPA requirement to review that project.

So, however, to an fully answer your question, if you found that an entity could develop a huge apartment building, then they would hit the threshold and they would have to go through MEEPA anyway. So the fact that the urban renewal plan had been reviewed by MEPA doesn't really help the developers that could come along and they would have to go through MEPA. So it is and there is concern in the lieutenant governor's

office that MEEPA should not be doing this kind of review that these are just purely speculative plans and they don't they don't justify the expense the time the effort to do this and it just doesn't make sense. So, we have and the unlocking housing plan that the governor's office asked um a commission to um to work on this year to look at uh what are all the barriers to affordable

housing and housing in the state? what regulations are uh really stopping the development of housing because it's such a crisis. Um and one of the things they included was urban renewal plans in uh for um that should not be reviewing urban renewal plans that that that is just one more way that we are blocking housing development. So, so that's why because of those um policy recommendations that this be

stopped, that urban renewal plans should not be reviewed this way. That's why I'm hesitating going this final step. Is there expiration rate on a $ 1.7 million grant? I mean, is there like so much time we have to spend it or they could take it back or let grant stay here forever till we finish this plan? Um, so the urban renewal plan isn't uh affecting that $1.7 million federal grant that we have because that's for

infrastructure. So, um, it it's potentially holding up housing development if we needed to do a taking in in some instance.

Okay. And we don't know that we would need to. Will these buildings be mixed use or Yes. solely residential. Well, mo we think that they should be mixed use some of them. However, um commercial on Pleasant Street is not very active and um so developers that we wish were rehabbing buildings and including commercial are putting residential units where commercial um units used to be because they're lots of vacant

storefronts and there isn't a huge demand in the country right now for more downtown storefronts and definitely not on Pleasant Street.

And this plan is this plan hasn't been approved yet. This is just a draft urban renewal plan. So all of this work is just to get the plan approved because until the plan's approved, we don't have the authority to buy and sell property, do takeings. So this is just laying the groundwork, but all of this work is just to get that plan. Who approves it? Gets approved by the states. So it goes to

the city council, goes to the planning board, but eventually it goes to EOHLC. So we have two approved urban plans, waterfront downtown. This would be the third one for the Flint, but it's not approved yet.

And in the past, the urban renewal plans didn't have to go through this extensive process. It's just a plan. Yeah. Do we know how long the review time might take?

Well, the engineers take a month or two to do their work and then the review is a month or two. So, we're talking about four months or so.

Right. Ridiculous. Now the e the executive office of housing and livable communities has done a an initial review of our draft. They had a lot of comments. So this new version of the plan answer you know addresses their comments and meepa comments.

So the question is send it up as is right and say is this enough? We don't think we should have to do further review. Right. And see what they say.

Yeah. And not spend 20 grand. Right.

Right.

and see if they'll answer that quickly and maybe um copy the lieutenant governor's office. Um yeah, we've been doing this for three months now. I hope they get an answer pretty soon. Seems like we we've been talking about this talking and getting nowhere. So hopefully by next meeting you can get that question out to them and we can have an answer in four weeks, five weeks.

You mean an answer about whether they're going to have to do regulation? So, we can stop the plan that's going to take two months and two months already. Now, we're already in October. No, if if that is eliminated, then we're two months.

Okay. The two months is if we have to put it through MEPO review. Okay. We have to vote on that. Correct.

H there's no vote on that, right?

There's no appointment to be made.

You're just going to go ahead? No, I'm just reporting and getting your advice.

If you want to I'm saying if you want us to tell you to go forward with that to get that answer question answered, but you can do it on your own. Oh, you're saying do I want help with that? I'll vote. Oh, no. I don't need a vote for that. I'm I'm working on that. I keep calling the governor's aid deep in their chief of staff of the lieutenant governor sends me these lovely notes

saying sorry we don't know yet. It seems like a meeting is 25% of that and we get nowhere with it. That's what it just seems like every single month. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very frustrating. Now, the good news is that Senator Rogers put $7 million into the economic development bond bill for Pleasant Street.

And you can't just then access that. uh department has to and in this case it's the um economic development division um needs to put that in their budget as using bond funds. So we So Senator Rodri invited the Secretary of Economic Development to come out and take a tour of Pleasant Street. And he took um her and her deputy and uh the del other members of the delegation came and they

all went out to lunch. And um that was after we developed a um kind of a brochure for um the the event and I meant to bring them with me. Um Oh yeah, I know. I can't believe it. Uh we spent a lot of time, Mike Dion and I and a designer coming up with this um carefully written uh document that says we need $4 million out of the 7 million for more storefront improvement.

um purchasing and properties and doing demolition and more for the infrastructure work to add to the 1.7 we have which we know is not going to be enough. And so they have asked for more details on that which we're working on now to say here's a timeline because they said well do you really need the 4 million in the next year and probably not. It's going to take time to um put

all those things in process. So, we're having to give them a clearer budget and a timeline so they can decide how much they would need to put in the budget this year to show that this would be come out of the bond bill.

Well, then two days later after the secretary of EOC came out here, luckily she brought her deputy because she resigned because of family issues. And now the deputy is the acting um secretary and she's someone we've worked with quite a bit through the seapport council because she always attended Seapport council um meetings as kind of a assistant chair and so um so luckily she came and we're now

going to be working with her on this.

Okay. Does the urban renewal plan need to be approved to access that money? Was that like a condition? No. No.

No.

And both the SE secretary and the deputy secretary said, "We remember you have been advocating on this issue for a very long time and we're surprised it isn't resolved yet."

Okay.

Karen, is there any is there anything new on Devall Street? Um, just so the master plan is finalized.

Nice.

Uh, Sarah, the north No, we calling it No, noah. No. No. No. Sorry. No.

So, and just on the downtown, have we got any further with the letter we sent to the governor and has anything coming out? We'll talk about that later. Oh, that's not going to be done in the Okay.

All right. Okay. Thank you. Yep.

Um, so the big news about the north downtown effort, well, one piece is that Bank Five had their grand opening.

Um Katherine who really made that whole construction project happen for the bank, uh, is the representative on our from the bank on our north downtown initiative and um she's really committed to it. Jamie Kum has become committed. They're both concerned about their employees uh really feeling comfortable in North Downtown, feeling like they can go to restaurants and enjoy being in that

area. and they're both of them have felt that their staff is not really um enjoying all that they could in the neighborhood and that more needs to be in the neighborhood for them to feel like this is an attractive place. It's a safe place. There's enough lighting, you know, and that they would feel happy going to restaurants. I guess some people have stopped going to some of the restaurants because they not feeling

comfortable. So that so we have two major property owners on in north downtown saying we really want these things done. And so the initial uh activity right now is that the city is um doing striping of parking places, striping of crosswalks, adding um a wheelchair ramp to a sidewalk because Bank Five totally redid a sidewalk and added a wheelchair ramp, but then if you cross the street, there isn't a ramp.

So, the city is committed to do that.

The city put up a uh flashing beacon by a crosswalk so that that thrilled the bank because they were really worried about the safety of people crossing there and it happened like the next day that they had a meeting. So, that was um a win and they were really impressed. Um and then we may have SERPED, the regional planning agency, do a study about traffic. There's a traffic monitoring

um station now. They're looking at um traffic volume uh speed. And there's a question, are people speeding through that important area where you know all the staff are in the library is or um or not? And so that's all going on. And it's great that we have in this district, unlike how we were working in the south downtown, you know, we have major restaurants, property owners, all coming to meetings, engaging, um, you

know, being on committees. And so, um, that's really good. So, we all of a sudden at the beginning of April after our last meeting um got an invitation from Mass Development to extend um TDI districts. So, our TDI district and our fellow was supposed to end in October and we have the option with 13 other districts in the state to extend it to June. And given that we've really changed our definition of our district,

we've got a whole new partnership and we're just got a lot of momentum. It makes total sense to try to get it extended. So, this week has been a blur because um we had to get everybody on board with this and they they had the briefing on it on April 16th and it was due today. So um so bank five so and unlike before you had to have three entities do their own independent applications. So

we needed one from the chamber as the fiscal agent and a community applicant and a municipal. So, Bank Five decided to be the community applicant and I worked with them on theirs a bit and um I worked with Jasmine on the cities and the cities is has been we've had a number of people involved in giving input. So, we're um I'm uploading the one for the chamber as the fiscal agent,

and it's pretty much the same as the cities, which they said was okay as long as you had your three designated partners applying. And so, that would allow us to have um some technical assistance, funding, and our fellow continue through June. And that would be a huge benefit to really moving this all forward.

Yep. You're saying restaurants. I know Dun is closed. They're doing only event only. There's a breakfast place and a Mexican place I believe on North Main.

You're talking about Purchase, too.

Yeah. That's a mountain. Yeah, we call it North Main, but it's really North Main Purchase and Troy Street where you have the Museum of Contemporary Art and TDI had made a big commitment to that building. So, we're considering that kind of an extension of this district. I think Alan Mayomeberg kind of considers creative class part of it. So it's not massively def, you know, it's it's a

somewhat malleable definition. The B Bel Be Belmont is part of it. Yeah. And um so that's um that's kind of the definition of it. And the pub. Yeah. The Irish pub and um Christina because that part's pretty lit. I'm there often at the the uh cigar bar that time be over there. It's well lit over there. I do agree. North Main is very I don't want to say dirty, but it just doesn't seem right. There's

something missing. There's buildings that aren't open. There's other things like, you know, uh you have challenges.

You got uh Stephen Stone is down there all the time, which is a challenge. You got the uh the what you call homeless shelter there, and a lot of people hang around. Somebody has to clean up that library. from the library to the street there's less but and there's no lights on there. I mean the city has to light that up better. I mean if that's lit up better I think it'll be you'll have no

problems but I mean for somebody to say that you want to walk around there for restaurants. I don't know what restaurants you're walking through. No it's really the purchase street and you know now you have that plaza that Joseph Holderman developed and that plaza is going to be activated in the summer.

He's got a stage coming and going to have music there and there are some activities Viva created and the beauty there is that the building is on a diagonal so it really faces the restaurants. It feels really open. So one of the issues is that North Main Street's connection to that is the is Granite Street which hardly has a light on it. It's really dark. granny and bank both of them called Need World. So, so

the thinking of the partnership is to ask for contributions toward lighting and Johnny brought this up at a recent meeting. We're hoping the redevelopment authority might be willing to commit some funding towards some project like lighting. Um, you know, if one thought that Joseph has had that people are excited about is the idea of running that beastro lighting across Purchase Street maybe or across Grant Granite

Street so it would feel fun rather than this kind of dark tunnel.

So um so we did put in the application that we expect to be asking and expect that uh it's likely that bank five um Bristol Corp and um the redevelopment authority would be willing to put some funding into this work over the next year. Okay.

Yeah. There's also um talk of making it way instead of one way off me really now that did not come up Johnny in the meeting it's not really came up in the first one well no I mean there was a meeting held that I I did not offer to be on this committee I offered to be on a different committee and I regret that because I would have liked to be at this

meeting that Nick had with Dan the city engineer and um bank five and Jamie had kind of sent his views into it where they talked about Serpent doing analysis and they talked about safety issues and they're you know doing all this analysis but they didn't I don't think specifically talk about it being two-way. So we need to get that more on the radar screen. Yeah, I don't think you take parking because there if you

did two way, you would have pockin would have to come off of one side. You would never fit two pockets in. The guy that was at the first meeting said that it was possible. Yeah, the person from the police athletic league said it was a two-way once. Yeah, it's just that with all the downtown and there's another housing going in there, I believe. I think there's another building set up to

go up housing which I think is Monty the Ferris. That building is going to be more housing. You know, Allan just added McCumber just added more housing a little little a year or so ago and then between the 154 North Main which used to be the welfare building. That's all housing. They don't have much parking if I mean if we start you know and even if you go to Duro Sigaba there's three

parking spots outside. Viva doesn't want you parking in their parking spots. Dun doesn't want you park in their spots.

The bank doesn't park but there's nowhere to park. I most time park in North Main and walk up. Oh. So, it's it's if you're going to start making a two-way road there and you take pocket about plus all the house that's going there, it's going to be impossible. I mean, it's going to be a challenge over there if that's what's going to happen cuz there's no I I try to help them and

get uh month storage like at night say listen rent this at night and do this and I talked to uh Muhammad owns the other parking lot behind the other one that the Ferris building used to own that they sold recently. There's another parking lot behind the bank five parking lot and say, "Hey, would you rent it out tonight?" They don't want to rent it out at night and I don't know why make some

money. They're not using it, but they're worried about an accident happened. I guess there's been three fights in the last two weeks at Belmont at night at the 2:00. You know, everybody goes there 1 2:00 in the morning. Then there's been three fights there the last two weeks.

So that's not helping things either. No, I hadn't heard about those. Yeah.

Because one of my friends draw broken. I heard about it.

Did we uh finish with Nick the Nick thing? So, we've got these applications going in. We did our best to argue why we should really extend the TDI time frame and we'll see what happens.

Okay. So, the next item is the annual conference for the Congress of New Urbanism. So, basically, um, Ken and I agreed to do a tour of Fall River, mostly downtown, but they have all these different things they want to see, Route 70, you know, the plans for Route 79 and um, the Quicoan River and historic issues and um, so anyway, the Congress of New Urbanism is a big national organization that looks at um the

intersection of planning, design, urban issues and um they're coming this year to Providence and uh Jason Bousard Nuraki who is the chair of the historic commission for um uh for Fall River suggested that they do a tour this tour of Fall River. So, we've been talking with professors at Brown who are part of the Congress for New Urbanism, and they got us to help them design a tour. And so, Ken and I

are doing this tour the afternoon of Thursday, June 12th. And I can send you more information if you're interested in going.

And um they are bringing a a bus from Providence and um I am being offered a reduced price to go to this annual conference and I think it's around $300 for four days of conference. And I'm not sure that it's great timing. It's never great timing to go to a 4-day conference. It includes Saturday. Um, but I would like um I would like to know if you would support my going to this at this reduced

price if um I think it pans out and makes sense. Have you seen a schedule and something that would be of interest to you or to us? I haven't seen a schedule. I don't quite understand why I haven't seen a schedule. I imagine it would. Um, and you probably know about this. I haven't done one of those, but yeah. Yeah.

Um, be interesting to see what classes they I was trying to find it. So, it's in Providence. Yeah. Yeah.

You have to know by June 12th. So, the main meeting, just look it up. Why not for some information? If it's something that you should be there, then why not?

But if and maybe not be there all four days, be there the days that are important, right? So I $300 is important. That's not the point. The parting part is it worth going you being out of the office for three days. That's right. Yeah. I would think I would go for parts and stay for three days.

That's the convenient part of it being in Providence is that Yeah. that you can come and go, right? They to get their discounted rate. I'm supposed to let them know um by tomorrow. So, uh I should have brought you more information. I'm sorry. I got really swamped with this TDI extension working on three applications. Um so, uh say yes, it's $300 and just find out when you go and just, you know, use your

time wisely. That's what we'll say. I don't think anybody else have a problem with $300, right? I don't think this is in your purview to spend the money anyways. Really need to ask the first place. Yep. So, is this like a national group? Yes, it's a national group. Um I've known about them for decades.

They're um you know, it's one networking. Yeah, it's networking to I don't think it's a bad idea and that it's so convenient. I mean, it's more convenient and say if it was from Boston Yeah. to get to Providence, right? And usually they're somewhere else in the country. So right kind of an opportunity.

Okay. Jump on it. Anybody have anything else?

If there's no further matters for the open session, the chair makes a finding that open session would have a detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the public body. The purpose of the executive session is to approve the executive session minutes from March 26 25 and discuss strategy with respect to potential real estate transactions for properties located 45 anch river 45

river and in the wall street corridor fall river motion to enter into executive session and we will not return to open session. Motion to adjourn the open session. Okay. Second. Not quite yet. Yeah, I was going to finish.

Second. John Erikson. Yes. Ron Rousen.

Yes. Fleberg. Yes. Very. Yes. Yes.

Thanks everybody.