Traffic Board 4 16 2025

Let's start the meeting. Uh, pursuant to open meeting law, any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting the meeting through any medium. Attendees are therefore advised that such recordings or transmissions are being made whether perceived or unpersceived by those present and are deemed acknowledged and permissible. Start off with uh roll call. Senator DD Stephanie

MacArthur, director of traffic and parking. Natalie Melo, Kelly Demi, director, Department of Community Maintenance.

Okay. Um, do we have a motion to accept a minutes from last month or citizen input that is not on the current agenda?

Everyone received a or citizen input that is not on the current agenda.

Everyone received a letter talking about tonight already. If not, we'll get to it and you'll have your chance. Um, there are no table. This one and uh what it is. If you guys like to come down uh your name and uh what it is. If you guys like to come down uh your name and uh what it is your concerns are.

in front of me.

Hello. Hello. Well, last I know is we were here in October. I'm sorry. Just the name and address for good. No, that's okay. So, how are you, Stephanie?

Uh, Aaron Parisy, uh, 1745 Blossom Road.

Keith Paris, 1745 Blossom Road.

William Latenda 1757 Blossom Road as well. Wendle attend 1757 Blossom Road.

Um, so you may not have been here then in the October meeting, but I know the rest were and how we left it was they were going to get back to me us on the issues with the parking at the next meeting. We were here. I emailed Stephanie that we had to leave in emergency. We had to leave. So, we left that November meeting. January popped up that it was only back on the schedule.

That was the one I did speak to Stephanie for a good 21 minute conversation that morning explaining to her my daughter had the flu flu a unless you all wanted it. I was going to have her with me. Um and that I couldn't make it. I said, "I'm not no showing it. What do we do?" And she goes, "I don't even think we need you to be there. I think it'll be fine because again, Mike um

Labasia was involved as well and she was going to see if he could come to it."

So, at that point um she was going to call me back. Not even that. You want to mention the mayor and the senator that was in between as well. There was some correspondence in between then that I had also questioned her on that saying that at the same time did I even need to come that day because it was already somehow in in between the November meeting to then that the Senator Rogers

and Mayor Pugan had already told me that they were already in the works. Signs were done. It's getting put up. So I what now? The no parking signs. Okay.

Yeah. Sorry. So this is where I was at.

So when I called Stephanie that morning, I said, "Listen, I'm in a bind. It's 8:30." As soon as she walked in the door, I said, "She's home. She's got 104 fever. What do I do?" I said, "I don't want to be a no-show. This is, you know what I mean? This is going to be a problem." She, "No, no problem." And then I asked her, I said, "Also, do you know about that correspondence?" And you

said you were aware and you said it still had to go through the meeting. I said, "That's fine." And she, you said that was you'll let me know. You'll call me tomorrow. I didn't get a call. I saw the meeting on the Friday. you had mentioned and I had never met you guys you before because like you were here at the October meeting um that just nope wish I was here and denied the second

miss so I don't know what got mistaken but that's where I'm left off okay um why you again again so okay I know but the rest that's what I'm saying so um well we have an issue where I had talked to the forester originally and said my concerns back for a year or so saying with between the parking that was happening, the excessive people sitting there, the drug deals going down, um

things that are just increasing out of nowhere with time and then um nips, beer, condoms, needles, everything on the roadway. I had also things that never used to be there. So, I had said my biggest concern was going to come into play come September of this year because now my child's bus stop for high school is at that fork intersection. So, now it's no longer my driveway. He is

expected to walk from my yard to there.

Do I bring him? Of course. But he's expected to walk there. And god forbid I can't make that happen or if I can't make it in time on the way home. He still has to walk by that. And I understand that in the city there's other problems. There's much bigger issues at the same time. Don't get me wrong, you know. And it was and I've said this multiple times to a few of the

people here and it was explained to me that, you know, well, no, if we have better areas, that's how we keep it. We got to we got to nip it right away. My other perspective is in the city there's a lot more people, a lot more buildings.

something happens, someone might hopefully witness it in the woods where there's no one, no one's going to know anything. So, even more so, and that's my child as well as there is other children that are coming up to play. So, um at that point, um we explained that here as well. And then it was also the fact of because of the parking, there was a moment where uh there's been issues with the parking, the bus

intersection at the at the fork that someone had ran my son's crossing right there, right through it. And the excuse was I didn't see the stop sign because of mind you I know that's an excuse but because of parking on the side of the road which I know that's an excuse but there is it is still a fact that there is it is hard and the roads are narrower

and if you do have two trucks they are and if you have two trucks driving by you're mirror to mirror and the the usually the brush once you get to the spring it does overgrow I'm scratching my car at the same time if someone is parked off to the side they are not usually fully over they are halfway to at least a third of the way into the roadway. You add that two trucks and

there is at least I think I've counted at least 15 either vans, trucks that actually live and reside post that not just people just incoming coming by that this is people that are common traffic let alone the added traffic that just people driving or deliveries just on our side just on our side. Um, so at that point it was everything together. When you look at the situation of I went to

Mike Fosia, I had even spoken to local EPOS's and it was said to me that Mike had said I'm going to reach out to Stephanie because I think no parking and that's and then Mike's never come back.

Um, and I know originally when we left off um, and I think I know you remember that's and then Mike's never come back.

Um, and I know originally when we left off, um, and I think I know you remember, um, it was we can we just talk to Mike Labosio, can we speak to local EPOs? I said, yeah, because even local EPO said, our hands are kind of tied with the signs at least we can kind of do something and and it'll also hopefully deter these people from parking there because they either won't

want a ticket, they won't get it towed.

Hopefully, this is their their hope to try and then they hand they can, you know, um, what it's my words now. um the hands won't be you know what I'm saying they can at least handle it that's how it was explained to me so they all were in favor I was like okay so I guess this is what I'm doing so that's when I got to do my first meeting ever and was here in

October so that's that's that and I don't know yeah I just wanted my name is Paul hot and uh I went up to get property a couple weeks ago and after that I've gone I've just driven up there um just to see um what might might be the circumstances up there. And there is there is a lot of like um parking at and those if you if you go up there, you

take a left on Blossom Road at that fork. Yep. And we we uh were fortunate enough through um we got now a blinking uh stop sign up there, which is which is good. And then Stephanie helped out with that a lot. And that was very that was very good. Um, but there is a lot of uh since I've since I've met the paraces and the neighbors up there. Um, I've

just driven up there because I kind of wanted not just one day visit, but I went up there a few times and there are seems to be parking there. Um, ill illegally, but they're parked there.

Yellow gates and it seems like there there was nobody in there, so they might have walked into the into the trail area. Um, I'm just guessing that that's what happened. Um and then I I saw a couple times where um there were like uh two people um two cars there um people in the car. I just kept driving. Of course I know we're pretty over what they do. So I don't I think there if if

there's any and also too like I I mean I was talking maybe uh to other folks that a police presence is probably good up there, but I don't know how often that happens. Um so I think maybe the compromise if it's if at all possible would be maybe maybe accommodate them with these particular park signs. These uh no parking signs up in maybe up in uh from that where the corner is to the to

the gates where those where those cate gates are on Blossom Road. Um maybe up to there's other parking issues that they have towards the erosion which is there's erosion.

That's why I'm just like I'm here for for them. Uh just to hopefully be be there's maybe some compromise where something can be done there. Sure. We've also just to add we've also added five um EPOS up there. There's five environmental police not just the two.

The police department has gotten more.

So there'll be more. This only academy or they are there'll be more present there according to chief.

You have some. No. Yeah. Because that was the other thing now again thinking and trying not to think of my spiel to kind of remember back but again there's erosion to the road. This is the wata drinking water. So as well as when they do park they do go down into the restricted area. I do have images. Um what the vehicles go down into Oh no the people park and then they go down and

they're in last year we had some people go down and camp have fires on the restricted side. So the that would be the left side between the but they can park on the right and they're walking down to the left. So they're going down to the water, which is your drinking water. So whatever's going on. I mean, I know what I've seen. So I know what I'm finding on the side of the roads, you

know, and these it's numerous. And at this point, it's again, and then the sides of the roads, which are narrow, are getting broken, are eroding the road. It is again, this is supposed to be the wershed. This is supposed to be protected. This is supposed to be all of that on top of it all. So I'm worried about children, of course. That's what this all started with. But this is all

the same everything. It's all in a big umbrella under that. So, I mean, between And then the parking at the gate. Yeah. Are there any photos you'd like us to You can have it all. Yeah. I mean, again, this is I'll bring it up to you. Sorry.

So, again, right there, centered my child walking across the street. There's everything I collect cuz I clean that half that quarter of a mile all the time.

Lovely uh needles. And this is my beautiful one at the fire lane that everyone parks at and hides. And look at the nice last thing in the middle left with in front of the far nice condoms.

And that's all fire lane. That is a fire lane. So again, and Meridian has fire lane. Yeah. Three. No parking signs.

redundancy or right to not block that fire lane. So that's all I'm saying.

Yeah. Does anyone else want to speak on this or I knew we had no we had no Yeah.

No, we had no lights. Um I know the lights did come back. They are concerned that some of the lights did not come back especially the ones in front of our house and it was right in front of theirs because they were at the street level. Yeah. They replaced they replaced the telephone poles and uh there's one light there that right at the corner of my property that never got replaced. So

again, we're in the dark. It's the woods. It's dark. Yeah, it's still down.

Well, they have they have they have lights every three poles. Every two to every Yeah, it's every three. They have it up there. Well, now this has got like one here and then it's six poles before you get another light.

And that's from the house before mine is a light. And then it's like two not not my house, the next house at the end of their property there's another light.

That whole section is nothing.

Right. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's start breaking down some of your issues over here. I'm going to do my best to compass or address everything you brought up.

First and foremost, um the video is going to be I know a sign of science.

It'll definitely um the well is going to be I know it signs a sign. It'll definitely um the Well, even if there was Let me break it down slower. Um there is already no parking in front of those fire gates. That is already illegal. Just because you can park on the roadway, you can never block those fire gates. So that right there obviously it would require either proactive patrol for someone to go by

and ticket it or I mean typically what happens even within the city um in the high dense residential areas someone calls and makes a complaint and obviously an offic wasn't okay. I'm sorry. I was told without the sign, even in those fire gates, it seems to be well. Oh, no.

Okay, I can dispel that. Whoever told you um misinformed or just probably didn't know you, uh those are always illegal. You cannot block those fire gates. Those are for emergency vehicles to get down there if there was a rush fire or anything in the reservation.

That is already illegal. So, for that last one that you showed with the big picture in the middle, that's already a problem. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

That's easily. No, I I basically was able to take all my pictures of Blossom Road, Indian Town of 190 photos and of of at least over a year and a half of the last phone. That's what I I was able to kind of bring it down to. And I put, you know, it is best presented. I've talked with um a bunch of the environmental guys, well, our two environmental guys regularly about this

because they actually fall under um my tree in the department. So, I've been made aware of issues over there. Um, they have taken several pictures themselves of several vehicles parked along that strip. Um, they even had a picture and spoke to a res. I'm not sure if it's e anyone here, but just last week they rolled up on one of the residents that was parked there just to make sure everything was good because

someone was sitting in their vehicle and oh, waiting for a drop off or something and they start like, yeah, you know, this can't people can't park here. He was like, well, you're currently parked here waiting for drop off. that would also encompass you and whoever that resident was was I'm the only one that parks there. No one came to vain under the assumption that the no parking would

just be for people that don't live in the immediate area which obviously wouldn't be the case. It would be no parking period. Anybody who parks there if it was posted would be liable to a citation. Um, but again, several pictures and everything that I've been provided and just looking at some of your pictures, it's still a travelable roadway opposed to like some of the inner city ones that

I, you know, I'm sure you've seen and have witnessed or driven down your subway. It's like, wow, this is this is Oh, yeah. I don't want to do it. I drive a truck. So, yeah. Um, so the mere parking on the side of the road obstructing the roadway to a safety degree, I can't say that I would agree with that. Would it be tight? Sure.

Would it be mirror to mirror?

Absolutely. Is it enough where it would be impassible? No. I mean, it would be part for the course with other major roles in the city. No. And again, I just think it wasn't Again, we're we're zoning, but we're not city zoning. We don't have the same zoning as we do out there. We're we're R80, which means you have to have an acre over an acre and a half to be out there. Yep. So, I feel

like the roads also don't qualify the same. As well as we are pothole city out there. So you also are navigating potholes, ruining your struts, ruining your car while dealing with all that as well. And half of these cars are not local. They're Rhode Island. They are from not so again out of state. And that brings me to another point that I was going to bring up. I know that strip,

that area right there, especially on the right side, that is um prime public land hunting, if you will.

I know that's a very big hot spot within our city, within our area. Can I now can I ask you a question please? How come they open that up to hunting with all the houses that are there? Isn't there a regulation that they have to be so far away from the houses? Yep. 500 ft. But then I mean they can't be Oh yeah, they are. Absolutely. That's actually really big. Have you confirmed? Oh yeah, I've

been back there. As a matter of fact, I because I have pictures of stands within we have state reports that that is incorrect. So we're not going to touch on the printing right now. I'm not saying that it's not incorrect because it certainly is correct. I know people who have hunting I've never seen you back there. They are back there. Yeah.

Hunting season's three months long. Um but and again I'm just addressing everything all comprehensively. Um to to the point of the out of state thing.

That's where I'm getting at with this.

So, when it comes to the hunting, that's not really up for debate on the fact of the of the the roadway infractions. So, you have 150 for per each road. Then, you have to be 500 from each dwelling or building of use for a bow. You guys have an ordinance for 825 for a shotgun or or gun. So, there's no 825 because as a triangle, you don't have the surface

area. as it widens, we're still at the narrow part where it's not wide enough and I'm set back. So, and then the house on Indian Town, the first house is there. So, again, with what you're getting at, there is really nothing other than sit and pivot. So, it's a very small section of land that you can actually hunt in there with it's not it's ginormous actually. It's not they have no s fork part. Yeah, exactly. It

is not that the fork part is not cuz I have all that here as well. Folks, what I'm telling you is that it's not that people are hunting in that area. We're not talking about the woods. I'm talking about parking. People park there, walk down those fire trails. And that is the No, they're not actually. They're actually not. They're going right there because again, like Michael Vasia has

said in his original email, which I have here, which went to Stephanie, went to the board, which only CCD me. He said there is not warranted or needed because they were granted money. The city gave money so whichever to make two parking lots down the road so to get people off the roadways to not erode the road and to do such things. Sure. So we're just going to let that in those parking lots

for what? Money for what? And where did that money go? But that's my point. So again, Michaelia is who got me here in the first place. I that that's all I got to say. Mike said it right here.

As you know, this is the Wataba reservation area and public access is allowed in the forest east of Blossom Road. Parking is not recommended or even necessary on the shoulders along Blossom Road. There are parking lots on both blossom and Indiantown roads as well as other options down.

So again, that that is the forester that is just my child's first one to be back at diamond. the safety for children.

That's what even if you want to touch on the honey I was also missing each other that nothing at all.

Officer do I was also missing each other that nothing at all.

Officer Da I was also told that the GPS that hunters use that it doesn't get like her shed. Your shed don't go by um buildings. They go by property lines. No they don't.

They don't. They absolutely do. I I've hunted Sergeant they show property lines, not buildings. I mean, they'll show overhead view and it'll show the Can you explain why we have one of Fall River's finest hunting 300 ft from my property line though? Because he used Can I explain that? Yeah. One of Fall River's finest.

The state EPO had to have moved. Okay. I don't know why they did that. There's an ordinance. I think you do know. Why would I know? Why would I know?

Okay, this is getting crazy. I don't know. I mean, you have to make a statement. Why would I know? Why you're a fellow cop? What does that mean? That when we're at roll call, we defrag. Hey, where you going to be hunting? Just so I know whenever asked about it. Let's get back to the complaint. That's why we didn't bring up hunting. We brought up hunting. We didn't bring up. I explained

to you why I said the word hunting. Yes.

Okay. Okay.

Yes. I mean, are we good on this? Yes.

Yeah. Well, again, you brought it up in January when we weren't here when out of state plates were not here. I brought up what in January. You said it, go back to the YouTube of and you said it that every time I was out there and there's hunters always parked off to the road when I ever brought up hunting and you had not yet met us. So, you brought up

because that was the only people I was made aware of that were parking there at the time. Not if you went by our emails, the actual correspond to the traffic department. That's why he said that email. I was never CC on it, right? We never met, so I wasn't I don't know.

This is a traffic department. You guys should be all talking. I don't know.

Right. I don't know. I came to the traffic department with what I sent in.

And Mike, it had nothing about hunting and you did bring it up then. And you're saying today that you only brought it up now because of the out of state plates.

Do the board members have any questions about prohibited parking? No. Okay.

Good. Just wanted to make go. As far as the safety when it comes to the children coming down the street, that's what I'm worried about. Can you just reiterate on why it is a safety hazard for the kids walking down with their vehicle parking on the side of the road? Is it that they're walking in the street? There's not room. There's no sidewalks out there. They have to walk. They have to

walk in the street. Cars fly by. And the cars fly. So now, just devil's advocate.

Yeah. There's no sidewalks. They have to walk in the street. They have to walk into the street. Okay. When you're walking in the street, if there is no car park there, there's no sidewalks. There is a part there where you can park, but you go a little bit further down. There is absolutely no sidewalk and it goes up from the side of the road up. They have to walk in the

road. So, if they're walking to the side of the road and there's a car park, they now have to go around it, which they are in the middle of the road at this point.

Walk in the middle of the road. So that would be a safety issue there. And then it was my concerning of the fact of the people who are parking are not the bird watchers. It's not it's not it's not the hikers because they're not. They are going to the where they're supposed to where they go for their hiking trails or if they do park, they do walk their dog

down that way and or back. You know what I'm saying? So that is the problem for the children. That is a safety issue.

people congregating in an area and they're doing an illegal activity no matter which way it is and then who's watching to see God forbid and again this is I'm the first person for the child and I'm speaking for everyone else that'll be in that area for the children at that point that anyone else that's sitting there thinking of any other idea with a child walking down the road and

starts learning the routine you know of that too it's in the woods who's going to be a witness there's no cameras there's nothing there's no other houses it is stock woods and then up until December stumble street lights came back because it was not in street lights when I last came here and talked because again they were changing the polls understandably so they had them down. Is

this um on both times of the day or is it more prevalent for I have pictures. I have 5 a.m. I have 5:00 a.m. I have drop off. It doesn't matter. Last the last few Fridays in a row there's been two to three different vehicles that have been parking the fire lane. Two men just sitting in it in the fire lane together.

Whatever whether whatever no I know and I brought that to an attention to an officer. So apparently I'm being told it was not without signs. So, seems like the same offices are telling we always defrag amongst each other and agree to allow people in one picture. Do you know what I mean? No. I just wanted to I obviously they're they're upset because of the uh what goes on out there and I know you

guys are doing the best you can. Is there any kind of like um if they can't have no parking signs up there, can they have maybe like a flashing kind of like traffic where I don't know say some kind of there's some something for them that they can Yeah. Uh that they can have. We have I mean everyone's heard the term you know 100 ways to skin the cat if you

will and I'm not saying that there's no uh to a no parking or anything. We have to take in all the concerns and everything. This is the first comprehensive meeting with all the complaints that you know this couple has brought forward uh for me to hear it all and make my recommendation on. As you guys are aware, watch the meetings, I don't vote on this. I make my recommendation from a public safety

standpoint and the board votes on it. Um but even if it was to be a no to no parking, there are other things that could absolutely be done. Um and as far as just blanketly saying no parking, the only reason why things are told no parking or you know um distances are changed and things like that because no matter where you are in the woods or in the middle of the city,

parking is always an issue for Fall River. It's it's real estate and it's finite. It's a hot commodity. So unless there's an articulable reason, right, under the safety guys to block off an area, it's not going to be at least my recommendation. He don't want me walking to the fork. Okay, that's he gets nervous about it because of how much it's changed out there. Do you know what I mean? When I go to there, he's like,

you know, but I'm like, I do a kid and I don't want to drive every time. Like I want it's nice. I want to get my my steps in, you know? There actually used to be a sign out there at the fort that said no through traffic and ever since they took that down it's been nothing but problems. Yeah, I know that that they're making that more accessible because they just like the causeway

area. So people are going through from one way and out the other end. It is certainly becoming uh more highly traveled and again that's what my only concern would have been as far as the finite real estate aspect of it is if more people start to go that way or they end up trying to develop anything over there and now we've taken away some of those parking things. But again, what I

base my recommendation on is for safety.

Now we talked about the kids when they're walking down there. Yes, there's no curbs. They're walking on the edge of the grass or the roadway out.

If there's a car, where do they go?

Well, they can't walk into the trees.

They have to go around the car, which is putting them more into the roadway. That certainly falls under safety. Mhm.

Fortunately, as illegal and uncomfortable and all this other thing that I would agree with you, the fact that people are there doing stuff that's illegal, um, drugs, maybe they're having relations and all that stuff. That's an uncomfortable and unsightly thing that we would have to address other ways. Just to say, well, this is a safety thing for people walking down the street would be harder

than the children thing walking down and having to walk into traffic. The problem with that like even even to the perspective of saying okay so what you would do I'd call what the police department to have that come in. You also have to figure out the same thing is in a real emergency call it takes everyone 20 minutes to 30 minutes to get out to our area. Well I've seen it firsthand. Absolutely. So when you call

for something about parking it's two hours later it's not going to get fixed you know. And again yes we have there's only two on right now. Whether there is more coming and hopefully they stay because we know what happens with that.

Um it doesn't mean there's only one on at the time in one truck and it doesn't mean they're not down in Copa Cup or if it's at that exact time when they're on or not at shift change because again bus time in the afternoon it is shift change that that day one's going. So and and again there's no one ever at the 550 at that time in the morning. So again it's

just perspective of that. It's like I know and I when I asked for help when I asked for help to the local EPO I was told to talk to the forester talked to the forester got told I'm writing an email to traffic that's why I'm here true I'm sorry but it's like we're having an issue and I'm worried about children's safety and I think that's the wor how many children come off the bare

so between that and our houses which is the first there is four there right now currently my son's the first because he's the oldest right now there is still three more houses down that are in middle school that could be going to Diamond after that. That when diamond's that corner and has been forever. I mean, he took it and everyone else. So, that's where that fourth area becomes

into play. That is the diamond bus stop area. Has been for well 20 years now, you know, but that's the thing, you know, and it shouldn't be a problem. But again, even if these cars are parked, they're parked. There's guys sitting in the car and they're watching and you and I've had it before for years. I didn't come down to meet you guys, but I'm at the bottom of my driveway and they're just

sitting in their car over there and you can see them. and they're watching the bus stop. You start worrying as a parent about other things as well, you know, and I there's boys, girls, little, it doesn't matter, you know, but they come to the bus stop, the kids are waiting at the bottom of the street of our driveways at the street, you know. Do you guys ever call the police and give

them their license plate numbers? So, you I've given plates I've given plates over and that's when I've been told some mass, but it's Marshfield. What What are they doing here? But but they weren't there because again, you're not going to get anyone.

That's my only other point of concern.

Am I getting help when I need if I needed it? Really, that's what I'm scared about is what happens if someone is sketchy and grabs a kid. Something happens.

A kid gets hurt. I'm not getting help.

We still pay the same taxes and I get it. We're out further out, but this city, even if you can get to me fast, it's still going to be a good 20 minutes because I can't get to Sylvia until 20 minutes because I can't go the back roads there. And I I absolutely understand that and I agree. I've seen it firsthand how long um response times can take over the day. And that's even

with blue lights overnight with no traffic. It is geographically it's it's kind of a horror show. And let's be real. If I say there's someone parked in a fire lane, that's not taking precedent over. Way worse in the city right now.

And I understand that. Very true. That's why I'm not going to wave services for that. But I you also need to understand, and this is the point I was just going to make. Sorry. Um you make that phone call and say that someone's parked where there's no parking. It's not going to expedite the call. You are literally and again I am not downplaying this at all.

So please don't take it that way. I'm doing what I was told to do. I am not downplaying this at all. For argument sake though I just I hope all the residents in the area and those of you that came to speak on this and there's some that were supposed to write a letter. Their kids are on that bus and they're worried too. Yeah. I actually got some this is in no way shape or form

in my opinion going to solve any of these issues. what it will do or has the propensity of doing by design is help curb it when officers are there um hopefully with more EPOS like she was talking about um and officers that can get out there and should be doing out there and doing regular traffic enforcement. I know um from the last few months there was a big uh issue with

speeding. We had the speed trailer out there on the other side which we never called. Same thing we have and we have an autistic child that that is a grandchild that comes over and that's I'm saying all that to say this. I just don't want you guys having the misconception that boom these are up. No one's going to be parking there.

Obviously it will have no sway. And firstly I just don't want you guys thinking that oh now we call and a cop appears on the roadway. How I look at it this way, we're not tied with the bigger issue at hand. I was told this was the first hopeful let's see if this helps.

Let's see if this helps make a lot of decisions based on this. That's what I was told by EPO. I was told and yes, that's going to make my job easier because again, I can't necessarily do certain things when they park because they could be doing the hiking. I don't know. So, I have to be left alone. But if there now there's a sign there, I can either ticket it or I don't know about

to I don't know. The hope was that it would deter people to not, and again, let's be real, if it's someone it's illegal, they're not going to do it. But if it's there and then the cop does show up or rolls up on it, he now they have a right to approach it now is what I was told. That's why they asked me to be the the billboard boy right now. Yeah. I

don't know. Again, there there's a lot of like inner that I think is is lost along the way, but neither here nor there. Um, you call about a vehicle just under the guise of there's a suspicious vehicle parked on this street.

Well, city parking is legal. We still have to resp. And again, I know I'll preemptively say it. The response time certainly going to vary. Officers still have to go and they have to interact with that vehicle. Two things. Is it legally parked? Is it registered? Is insured? Okay. Is there anything in plain view? On their way. I get it.

You're saying now, oh, well, yep. It's legally registered. It's insured. All this. It's illegally parked.

Do you understand what the response is for that? There'll be a parking ticket on the windshield. It does not get that car removed. There is no interaction with the driver. We're not going ever going to find out, hey, what were you doing in there? Things like that. So again, like you mentioned, it is a deterrent and hopefully if you're there three nights a week parking there and taking a nature walk, you're going to

eventually be like, I'm tired of eating freaking parking tickets. I go find somewhere else. But for the oneoffs or ones that are spread out in between or ones that are like I'm gonna roll the dice and hopefully I don't get the parking ticket, it it I just want to set real realistic expectations. And the other thing is though, usually people don't hike from there because they go to the parking

lots where nobody's ever anything in front of the houses because somebody will come out and say, "Hey, what the hell are you doing?" I've never seen anyone try to. We've done that.

Yeah. You know, no one's anyone that's doing illegal stuff is not there.

There's a change whether it's the hiking trails bringing people out there.

There's a change in the there's a change whether it's the hiking trails bringing people out there. There's a change in the last few years. I have lived there now with him. We're at 16 years. You've lived there your whole life. Y you know it. So at this point it's like they all know that there's something that's changing a little bit. And when I say it's just more of this was the theory of

a deterrent that would make sense. We're hoping that's all it was. Now it's become this big fight for parking signs because I feel like I don't understand why it was such a big issue to get it but yeah it was just over the request is right of the fork from the corner. It was both sides of the fork on both Indian town and you don't even have to go that far because where they really

can't pop. I'm sorry. We just need to confirm it for the record though. I can't I'm not reading the emails. So if you you can reread that whole email. So that's what I submitted originally. When when we have this discussion we have to have it on record. So it is on record what is said. So if we're asking questions, it's not because we don't have the information. It's just for anyone who's watching on record, they

know what the request is. Signs would be looking to be needed from the intersection fork area is what it would be because that's a fork in the road on Blossom to up until just before the 1739 Blossom Road first house. And then as well as on Indiantown intersection just before the first property which would be at 292 Indian Town Road and that's the it's it's where it's all wooded. It's

just straight wooded intersection. It's the narrow just before the houses. It wouldn't affect anyone's houses when they if anything with that. It's mainly that wooded area where Indian Townside is where they said they didn't see a stop sign. And now we have a beautiful new stop sign, which made sense. That always made sense. And again, I didn't know nor was I going to call. It just

kind of came in the midst of all this.

Um I still watch people roll, right? It ain't going to change the people that live there. They're probably like, "Oh, nice." You know, but you know, again, a sign's a sign, like a stop sign. People are going to listen. and then I'll go and listen. So, I looked for help for where I was worried about a safety and especially now that my kid has to go down there and this is the start of whoever's on

Blossom going down and I know there's more teenagers up to come. They're in middle school right now.

And you know, I would be worried. Maybe no one else is. So, we have the wedge in the center, right, left fork. We're only looking to box out parking on the wedge side on both directions up and to where the residents Michaelia Michael had said on both sides of the road. I understand what Michael said his concerns but again um as far as the original thing that I um mentioned before parking is um well

the other side also the other side is restricted land. It's not allowed. Yeah.

On both sides. It's already posted now.

Well, no. It just says restricted. It's that the sign through the property.

Yeah. on the other sides on the Yeah, it's got like restricted signs on the trees on all the p on all the poles rather on the telephone poles because that's the Wataba reservation sides. Yeah. So, yeah, if it was just that side, I mean, technically, yeah, I don't see how you can Well, I'm just trying I'm trying to get both sides of it in where I'm not um arbitrarily taking up real estate. And I

mean, you guys even admitted yourselves.

you know, not everyone in that section is up to nefarious activities or, you know, whatever it is. Um, there are trails and that it is legal to be in there. Um, on the right side off of the one and left side off the triangle, right? Yes. Um, so to I don't want to make it inaccessible to people that have the right or ability to use that. So, if they were to park on one side, which

would be the wedge where I believe is where the bus is dropping off and picking up. It's right in the No, it's straight right. The picture is there. It kind of has sense. She parks right on Blossom. It's right in the middle of the intersection. The heart of the intersection. Yeah. Yeah. It's And she's actually rolled up higher there than she usually does.

Trying to think with that one, it would address the safety aspect of the children having to walk around a car completely block have that lane. You know what I'm saying? Um, let me ask you this since you're here voicing your concerns.

At this point, I would say I'd be inclined to make that recommendation.

Just my recommendation to the board.

Would that be palatable or is that still you want the whole thing and the reasons are something that wasn't discussed yet?

And I think too like what you just said that's a probably a good start. I think you know try and see how that works out maybe like later. I mean, you you mentioned that before and I just like to double down on it. Many decisions have come from this panel where it was like I hear your ask we're going to be one two steps below. Try it. If this still

in fact is a documentable issue, we can always go back and revisit it. Um and I hope you guys understand the the the parking I part of this board which is huge point of contention is back um is parking taking up the real estate. Um, I have to feather that line between, yep, okay, this is clearly a safety concern that needs addressing, but this side would this negate this or satisfy the safety aspect while still

maintaining public parking. That's why I'm kind of at that recommendation right now. It's like I I will say it because I I walk with a stroller. So, I have the little one. So I walk with the wagon and the moment there is a car parked I have to go into the middle of the road and then there is no car that makes that's and then and then there's a car coming this way or

then I have to watch behind me and it and then that it does become it and believe it or not it is busier than you expect because I only go out there for five it takes me five minutes five and I wait five minutes I go pretty much on time and back and in 15 minutes I can have that many interactions. Yeah. Is there anything else you guys would like to add that you haven't discussed yet?

No, sir. No, absolutely not. All right.

Um, like like I just said, that's going to be my recommendation, but it's open for what you guys like. If there's any questions, please ask. I have a recommendation that we all meet in that area. We all as our committee go and see because I don't know what it looks like there. Maybe if we all go and check it out and decide what can be done from there. Lieutenant, I think you have this

right, but I think we just just go and just just talk talk it out out there, see what's best, and go from there. All right. I just don't want to um delay this any further. As you know, she stated, she's been working on this since the end of last year. Um, do we have any recommendation that after an on-site visit, depending on which way it goes, what you would like to see done forth with? Mhm.

So, would that be basically step for you? If during an on-site visit, which is scheduled a week, two weeks from now, whatever it is, did these um board members have the ability to make a recommendation, vote on it right then and there and enact it, or would it still have to pen for the following month? It would have depend for the following month. We have to make a decision tonight to do so. Well, you

got vacation with the kids now. They're not going to be And that way we can nail it down. Yeah, I agree. I I think we should all meet there and that way we can nail it down. Yeah, I agree. I I think we should all meet there and that way we can nail it down. Um I'm in agree I'm in agreement with your suggestion.

Yeah, but um because I've met you there, Charlie, before. Yeah, I've talked to you right there. I'm I'm familiar with everybody. I'm familiar with everybody over there. I was going to touch you a few times there. I travel that Well, you guys know, but I want to make sure that um everything's in the right in the right spot, but yeah, I second that motion. Linda, would you I would just

ask that they uh you guys settle on a date this evening that you guys can all make it out there um to have this. So, we're not dragging this out any further.

And I know I know the motion was made and second. Is there a possibility where if they if it could get voted on to put the signs up and then go there and check it out and see how it's working or does that not work? So even if it's approved here, it doesn't go right up right away.

That has to go to ordinance and council for approval and they don't do emergency preamble on prohibited parking. So that's okay. Yeah. So yeah, essentially with that be fine, too. I'm just I just want everybody to be happy.

I'm going to make a motion to withdraw the um suggest the uh so we have to vote on it. If you want you can vote it down and then that would be good for another motion. Let's just stay with the u stay with what how the uh visit you can make another motion. Okay. Stay within the rules on how they work. So a motion was made. It was seconded. Y I'm going

to call for a vote now. A vote to have a uh meeting on site. All in favor? I was I supposed to say I was supposed to say the opposite of I now. The opposite of I'm with you. If you do an on-site visit Y and it's decided to put up a sign. You have to come back to a traffic board meeting the following month. Correct. For approval of So it's the third Wednesday of the

month. So that will be on the 21st of May I believe. Just want to No, it would third would be the um May 21st. May 21st. Yep. We have a council meeting on the 13th. You'll miss that. Correct. And the next council meeting won't be till the 27th. Shut it down. Which means there's got to be an ordinance committee meeting before that because it has to go to ordinance first. Yeah. If not in

June, we only have one meeting and one meeting in July. Is there a way to put up the signs and then go check it out?

They're not enforceable. If the signs are up, they are not enforceable because it's not an ordinance. But it'll get to ordinance before. If not, you're not going to get to ordinance till June. And it has to go to full counsel, too, to be enforceable, right? It's going to happen in June. Ordinance I have done. If it's going to work, we'll go with recess. But if they put up the signs, then you go

and see if this isn't enough and we need to put more. Either way, we're looking at a two-month swing before any of this. Signs could go up tomorrow if so voted on and they were able to get out there and slap them in.

Right. Not enforceable for at least the two month swing. So we trying to get it done as fast as possible, but it's just the the paper trail how it work. Yeah, exactly. It's how it works. So again, I just want to put it on record. All in favor of an on-site meeting.

Any opposed? Two opposed. Okay, that motion is dead. Is there another motion on the table? Make a motion to put the signs up.

A motion. It would be a motion to go ahead with no parking. Yes. From the wedge all the way out, I think about a quarter mile to where the first residential a little a little before the first house is like it's basically where it's all wooded. And we'll just mirror that on the side. Yeah.

Obviously, this is what Indian town. Are we doing both of them right now? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So, the measurements are going to be a little bit further down Indian Town Road because the first house starts as it'll be we can go what 100 yards short whatever it is 50 yards short of where that first resund whatever that is some room to park if they have to res. So when we went down there, we did about 80 feet and that was a little bit before that first gate before your guys's property.

So before the first So the fire land that I'm talking about parking. Exactly.

So that you already know that measurement. So I didn't measure that stuff. Yeah. So we're looking at 80 ft.

Whatever it is on on the um So go 100 more residential side. We're just going to mirror it on the inside. Okay.

Because that inside one has more space.

We don't need to go 100 feet and then 200 feet. Whatever it is. If it's 100, it's 100. We're going to box out that wedge. Um, no parking on the inside, which would be the north and and the east east side of Boston Road. Yes.

Um, no parking. And that is that the motion motion. That sounds good. My mind.

All in favor? I. Any opposed? There we go. Um, obviously Steph already alluded to the next steps. This goes to ordinance, city council, and all that.

It typically is, and this is what we tell everybody, we're looking at a 12week turnaround. Yeah, it'll help the next school year, but at least we have something. And this will go up. Um, again, you just got to realize they don't automatically send signals that people parking there. You It's going to be still incumbent on the residents to call. Um, hopefully a lot of this gets curbed with more officers and they can

more proactively be out there. I'm not trying to make excuses for the lack of, but it it certainly is what it is.

Um, so once it's there, we'll have some teeth, start slapping that up. And if this alleviates some of the safety concerns as far as the children not being in the street or you pushing a stroller having to go around the street, great. If not, by all means, do another um, let her come in and we can You don't want to see me again? I feel bad. I won't try to meet you again. Yeah, we

just want everybody September last year, but you know, I know. I know. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Or no, it's just it was the kids. Thank you very much. Thank you.

All right. Tabled handicap spaces from last month. We have 544 North Underwood.

544 North Underwood.

Once twice.

This was tabled already.

Is there a motion to deny? Motion to deny. Second. Second by Charlie. Any opposed? Seeing none. Uh 116 March Street here. Hello. Uh guys, just review that packet real quick and this will be a quick vote.

There are no issues with this. Is there any questions from the board?

Motion to approve. Second. Second. Any oppose? Seeing none. All sets are about 12 weeks for that all to get done. It'll be um posted at the closest um entrance to your address. If I could mention, when I moved in, there was two spots for handicapped people. Uh, this is like two years ago, and someone must have moved out that was handicapped because a few months later, one of the signs came

down. So, now there's only one spot.

Like, there used to be two handicap.

Yeah. So, they'll probably end up just putting that that right where it was.

Soon, so because it was right in front of where the door is. Yep. Thank you very much. Absolutely. All right. Uh, new requests. Handicap parking. We have 86 Hunter Street and All right, just stand by.

Give us a second to review the packet.

Some of that handicap handicap. Yeah, she's handicap.

It's a handicap.

It says it has a plaque, but I don't It's a handicap plate. The registration.

There you go. Motion to approve. The the address is different. Yeah, that's because it's an old registration. It's expired this year. All right.

Motion. Motion. Seconded by Charlie. Any opposed? Seeing none. All set, ma'am.

Thank you. Yes, ma'am.

Same deal. About 12 weeks. Okay. Thank you.

Uh 494 ridge.

That's the license or new license.

license. Just checking. Oh, see it.

I see no issues here.

Make a motion to approve. Second. Second by Natalie. Any opposed? Seeing none.

All set.

27.

Mariam.

I don't think I've ever been there before.

I'm sure you know Rain Street. Yeah, I was just Oh, yeah. Never mind. I know the street.

That's not I see no issues with this packet. Motion to approve. Second. Any opposed? Seeing none, all set.

33 quicken. I know that address.

Now, the thing with this, anybody can look like handicap signs. Anyone with a handicap plaque or plate? Yes. But isn't there a way that you can just automatically put one on that street?

Because you know what I mean? There's a lot of hand people there. I assume you were here for the conversation I just had prior about how uh hot commodity parking is. We can't just unfortunately start slapping them up. Someone has to come in and petition for a handicap spot in front of their residence. Um it has to meet certain qualifications. That's how the only way we get to put them up. And when someone

leaves like say you were to move out um eventually we would find out and it would be rescended. It doesn't just stay there indefinitely. But yeah, so this is not assigned to you. It is not assigned to your address.

Is there there's handicap spaces in the parking lot? Correct. Yeah, but they're all they're always full. And there's a big space in the back.

Nobody uses it. It's all glass and they won't place back there. They don't I don't understand why they can't. How how how big is that housing lot? Do they have enough to satisfy the requirements?

Residents, absolutely not. But handicap spaces, yes. So for the size of the lot, for the parking spaces, they do. So because it's not a very large lot. Does that fall? You're saying your housing project. Yes. You have x amount, which is the minimum, but you're not accommodating how many. So this pocket here, who's that? Is that us to go to housing or on that? There's people. They have

spots right in their lot, don't they?

They have a lot and they can walk perfectly fine like after today I'm going to be limping out just uh so without getting into the whole detail of it any anybody that has a business or any kind of parking lot if their parking lot has x amount of cars they have to have so many handicap spots and they do have enough this property for however many hand however many parking spots they have. They have the minimum

required of handicapped spots. Um but they're not taken into account because of this size because of the size of the parking lot that they have. Again, they don't take into account how many handicapped residents are there.

Correct. Which is dumb.

Amen. You said it. You said it.

We can put it on the street, but I think her issue is going if anybody parks in that spot, you call Lieutenant Dart and you tell him he's a picture of him. So he's going to come and move your car. So let me ask you this may I inclined we do offer we can give them a parking spot if approved but the only issue with that is how many handicap residents do live

there they can park there and they have their placard up. So here here's the deal. I cannot um enforce the housing um authority to add any more handicap spots on the property because then the next complaint would be well then I just lost a resident who's not disabled their handicap spot. Everyone's supposed to be allowed um the same opportunity. I understand. Um, I'm inclined to go ahead and grant you one off street,

but like you mentioned before, it would be valid to anybody who's handicapped.

That's still what you're looking for.

Yeah, it's better than nothing type deal. Perfect. Um, so it's going to be a pretty distance for her to walk. It's closer than two.

Yeah.

can talk about something for her and switch a person that can walk better than her. Could housing help her out?

She would have to deal with the housing authority on that. Are you kidding me?

They don't help you out whatsoever.

Is there a waiting list to park in that parking lot or is it just a first come for handicap and 11 for Can they assign handicap? So if they add another one on property, they're just going to lose one of the non handicap spots. It's not going to make their lot any bigger.

Okay. You know what I mean? This is somebody I think that would be a priority would I mean to have to accommodate. You would think because I'm on oxygen myself, but I Well, what prevents you from parking in one of the three handicap spots? That's what I mean. They shouldn't have an assigned handicap spot. Oh, just because you never get there in time or they're always because they're assigned to

people. I didn't think they could have signed up. Oh, well, it is. No, I don't think they can. Yes, it is. The ones that are on the property are in the parking lot that are signed. See that look into You know what I That's true.

You can't assign. I believe I I believe it's true. If that if Listen, I if they want to do that, I'll have more power to them. problem is if they do that now every person that is handicapped has to be assigned a spot as well. So they just kind of shot themselves in the foot if you will with that. I'll walk into it.

Yeah, I think that'll be nice. So we have a couple of different options here.

We can go ahead and agree to throw one up on public road for you, but it's not going to be very it's still going to be a distance. You're still going to have to travel. Um, and looking at the way the propertyy's set up, you're looking at right on street.

It will be right on street, but in so definitely there used to be one right in front.

I remember just before you got into the parking lot. So, yeah, the parking lot's right over here and the entrance is Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would be by where the driveway is, but that's still you still have the whole length of the of the property together.

Well, I know. But again, but again, the only concern is if another resident parks there, there's nothing we can do.

That's the worst thing. Yeah. What are you going to do? My recommendation is we go ahead and give this spot up for now.

And if we can if Charlie, you can follow up on that and get some sort of recommendation from, we can always just resend it and take it down after. Okay. Is there a motion?

Motion to approve. Second. Any opposed?

Seeing none, we're going to have one put up on the end of that driveway. Very good. Thank you guys. You are welcome.

Have a nice You too, sweetheart. Thank you. You too. Uh we only have rescending of handicap spots. I'll read as follows.

Plane Street, Chestnut Street, Hunter Street. Motion on these rescended spots.

Yeah.

Motion on the three rescended spots.

Motion. Motion. Any opposed? Seeing none. That concludes the meeting. Thank you.