1.9.2025 Community Preservation Committee

um welcome to the community preservation committee meeting uh held at one government center uh city council hearing room is there a lag again yes there's a lag it's Thursday uh January 9th 6 o'clock uh pursuant to the open meeting laws any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or may transmit the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised such

recordings or Transmissions are being made whether perceived or unperceived by those present and deemed acknowledged and permissible we'll start with roll call to my left Michael FIS present Chris Benavides present Alexander Silva present John brand present James Hornsby present Rick Mancini present BJ McDonald presid and we have two members on Zoom if you could start Joanne just say your name and you're here

and Christine too since we're on a delay CHR

Chris about 30 seconds again Joy Bentley present first Cana olera present attending remotely by Zoom thank you qu waiting for Hind to catch him all righty uh let's see uh we don't have any citizen input okay can I have approval of the minutes from the uh January 8th meeting motion I just had one correction and that was the uh it was Tiff money not ffi money that was the only modification okay noted do I have a

second I'll second uh roll call Michael yes Chris Benavides yes Alex Silva yes John BR yes okay Rick Mancini yes BJ McDonald yes Joanne Chris

Joan Bentley Joan Bentley yes CH kwer Oliver yes thank you uh now we'll move on to the uh funding hearing uh first up is uh third uh 1270 and 1288 Pleasant Street folks would like to come up this is a renovation rehab um bringing back to the original state the part apartment house commercial retail new roof new Windows Doors Plumbing electrical service complete renovation to allow for building rehab used today as

original um they're looking for 300,000 This falls under a stor and community housing and uh it seems like a good time since we got a big revitalization in the Flint area which would be nice to see uh that is a big building down there uh let you have what 21 Apartments six door fronts um I see four units are going to go handicap accessible on the first floor uh you got letters from the

historical commission the mayor's office Fall River Redevelopment Authority now on uh the affordable housing you were looking at 7 units yes on on that particular building yes we're working kind of like the same program on both of our buildings so we are working with them could you just identify yourself before we go fur Ronald olera I'm the owner of both this property and the next one we're going to

move discussing armanda PR comprehensive design build Services thanks than you all right uh does the board want to ask questions or hear about the proposal first what would you like you can we can hear about the proposal I think first go ahead and tell us a little about your project and then we'll have some questions hey so so as uh we know the existing building has been there for a while um 1270 to uh

1288 has apartments and uh it also had a theater in there Knights of Columbus were also part of that uh building a while ago so it's got a lot of historical significance to it so in looking at a project of that level and and revitalizing a project uh a building that has such uh value to the area makes sense of uh restoring the uh the lower level and bringing the uh nine

Apartments back and the 2/3 units type of thing and where of the the building and then where the uh uh theater is um we're looking to do on the uh first floor full handicap accessible units and we're looking to do six Studios on the second floor and then on the third floor we're looking to do Studio Loft units so we'd have uh four six and six so we're adding 16 to the uh the existing that

are nine there so the number that you said 21 is actually more like 25 okay so that really helps in the uh in the the housing uh aspect and salvaging historical structures such as that I think also has a lot of meaning uh especially this area on the East Coast between you know communities like Fall River and New Bedford and let's keep what we have and maintain it yeah yeah we're also going to be maintaining

through uh two to three of the retail units on a lower level which can now be supported by additional residential uh units bring more people into that area to again to support some local businesses so we're not making it all completely residential okay so when you do the storefront over you're going to be doing the whole front of the building new signage I mean not the not that you

know what's going in there but the the front of the building will be all correct yes sir for shopping and stuff yeah one side will be the handic cap accessible units and on the opposite side on on the corner we're going to keep that commercial so we'll have like probably like three it could be if somebody wants a larger unit yes but two to three commercial units on the corner

to keep the appeal of the building then okay and I see you're you're investing in this building 5.5 is that right yes sir okay

questions I think uh do we want to start with questions I'll start with sure Mike yes uh hello um my name is Michael Ferris I'm an urban designer and planner the the uh question I have uh it seems like it might be just a type of graphical error but um we're looking at 300,000 not 3 million on correct because on our form it says differently and so that's a little bit more digestible um considering what our

budget is um and then the other question I have is I believe you're on construction if that's if not mistaken um is that your background or is it development or I own several of the Remax offices in in in our area so yes we build flip develop uh own residential housing as well and Commercial properties so the so one of the things I was going to ask is I just went through

your plans it seems like it diff it changed a little bit which is it's your option of uh what the market is dictating whether their Studio or two-bedroom or whatever might be the question would be uh the phasing I thought the phasing was pretty aggressive and then um the last phase of that would be what we finally see with the um the public would actually see so you're going to do a bunch of the phase

one which is a certain number of units get residential get them up operating phase two would be the next part of the residential and then phase three would be kind of the outside facade and the real estate uh the what the community sees and they're all kind of like I think it was like six to 10 months and then it was there's nine existing units there y uh already so that's refresh

kitchens bathrooms remodel of what was already there that be phase one so we can start sooner than later in in theory part two would be the new side uh where we're adding the uh 16 units and redoing that storefront in the same time we'll be looking to procure tenants for the commercial side and addressing the storefronts obviously weather permitting on the repointing sure uh things like

that obviously addressing the roof uh sooner than later to preserve the building okay well thank you for your clarification on that good am M good no one else says Hi um so uh first so I sent some questions ahead of the meeting I don't know if you saw them or not um we typically ask for three uh three bid sets um I think you only sent one for each of your projects um were other bids solicited

or uh how how did that go about with just the one set of bits I think we submitted at least two for the Electrical uh uh I think there was at least two for the Electrical uh one for the plumbing um we did uh try to solicit more than um one bid for the masonry on EX here we do have like another one coming in from Fernandes masonry uh in Bedford uh we

did put it out but obviously until now and then they're question when are they going to be able to actually start the project because materials change labor could change you know depending when they're uh starting the project uh could impact uh costs so that was um I wanted to get some numbers to work off but that was that was probably that was part of the issue getting all three bids

now the question is when is this going to start and take place and CU most bids are only good for 90 days 30 days amando's bids are only good for 30 days the other thing too is on a project like this and the deadlines and that we had and going into the holiday season also gets kind of really restrictive on how many people are in the offices and working so right uh I think it's kind of

hard when we're coming in and asking for the bids right at the end of the year uh when they're wrapping up things MH okay um and then in terms of uh the other funding uh committed for the project what I under the funding section you put not available I believe um so is any funding been secured or um how's that happening through uh private funding and banking funding yes um to get them but

we're also going to be applying for additional funding from the city and what what is that the um affordable housing uh I've met with uh Mike Dion as far as what grants are available to storefront program once they get some monies uh replenished into the new budget uh we've already met with them and discussed that and then the remainder would be privately funded or or self-funded so in terms of like

committed funding from Banks or loans or you don't have any other committed funding that you could provide evidence for beyond beyond uh speak like as far as our our lenders yeah I I don't have it here but yes I can provide that sure yeah I'd like to see that um then um could both of you uh describe um your experience with developing similar projects of this scale and historic nature um I'm not sure if you have

experience with you know such large historic buildings um and how that goes so my degree is architectural preservation from Raj Williams um I just finished restoration of a a small office up in uh menden um there was a historical project went through Mass historical um as far as projects of this size I've worked on school buildings uh I've worked on uh uh apartment building so I've got 30 years of design and

construction experience um and I'll be working close with uh Mr Olivera and the team that's there obviously because a control construction as well um but we've worked together on projects that vary you know from three to six families I worked on projects that uh vary up to about 24 units um just completed one as well so I'm working on big projects but the key thing is having the understanding of the

architectural preservation and how to work with the historical buildings and also understanding the rules and regulations of the secretary and Interiors um on the historical projects uh is a key thing and that's something that I'm involved with okay so you're familiar with like Secretary of interior standards and everything's going to be done to that code okay um and then I don't think it was this uh project but

um what color are you uh going to have the windows become um in they said white in the estimates for both I'll just skip to both uh but I think in one of the renderings it was black so I was just wondering if it was still up in the air or because I think ideally we would like it to mimic um as it is now the historic I believe is white uh color well I I

can't speak on behalf of what my client is but I can understand to work and get these budgets out there the numbers out there they probably did Big at a white window but obviously we're going to be looking at it um and obviously you don't want something that's going to stick out like a sore thumb we want to get it back to what would have been there um I mean

if you look at the building we've got maroon we got gray I mean we got a maybe get over there and maybe scrape a little bit of uh the cast iron do a little bit of uh paint research and see what we have and then try to see if it's if it's valid to go down that path so we want to bring it back again like what I said

bring it back to its historic value um I mean we're looking to keep all the cast iron that's on there and pumping that whole thing back out so and how we usually do that is we're going to go up to the cast iron and we have to take a little sand uh paper and we got to keep going down till we hit the steel and we'll see the multiple layers of paint

that's there in the colors if if I might interject here if you're going to and you did mention that you're going to be working with the secretary of interior standards so have you applied to the National Park Service at all for funding and are the mass historic commission for funding no we we have not all right so that's another Avenue yet that that should have been one of your Prime

Avenues here because it takes a little bit of time uh but if you start getting resources from those systems then you're going to then have to follow that standard and they're going to dictate to you what color those windows are going to be what you're going to do with the facade of the building etc etc okay so uh uh I know that you did appear before the the historical commission and at that

point you were going to look into working with the park service and and mass historic commission so has that gone forward at all we really didn't get a chance to get that because we were working on getting all the numbers together and all that we didn't get to that level yet but to your point yes because I remember the mend and they got real picky even on the mod and how we

had to do the mod so that gives us that's something else we got to look into and how much restriction we want okay so and and and getting back now to this tight work schedule that you have predicted uh you're really have the horse before the cart here in that you haven't worked on the National Park Service and getting those grants and that's going to take some time so uh

this is going to this is going to sort of slow and change your whole budget and and so you say you mentioned like how much restriction you want on the property so like with the secretary interior standards that's I think the standards you'd be restricted by so you're correct and getting this funding you'd already be restricted you know in what you're I guess fearing yeah no no no not fearing that it's just that like

I said when we deal dealt with menend and to your point the deadlines and all that I mean we're looking at you can start working on the interior that won't have any interference with the exterior for the restoration of the exterior but yeah I mean that there are restrictions when you get into the mot types the joints and all that and yes those are the restrictions that we know we have to

deal with when we get with mass historical so it's how much do we want to get in with it and that's what we're going to have to figure out and your basic Windows also that you're going to have on the housing unit so you're not going to go in and remodel the units and then have to come back and and change out windows that just doesn't make sense so again you got to get this get

yourself in order here it looks a little backwards at this to me at this point from what I'm hearing so are you going to like go through Mass historic commission or like I I keep kind of hearing it in a more something that we open-ended way and that would be uh depending what depending what they offering how much funding you know to hold up the entire project to based on I'd have to see what

is available what they would cover to basically say is a squeeze worth the juice to to wait around to get $100,000 for a $6 million project and keep the carrying cost but it might not be worth it so we haven't had those conversations yet to say yes that's going to be part of the strategy to complete it that's why we've had alternate funding to keep it going once we do start

um and based on what we could get sooner than later uh we may ultimately not go that route depending on what is available for funding the funding could be up to 20% in tax incentives so that's considerable amount of money on these projects and so that decision hasn't been made if you're going to be pursuing tax credits or anything like that for this I'd probably say that we ultimately

are them you know on the tax credit side okay um is this the property that has the billboard on the roof yes sir is the plan for that to stay there yes okay would you be poos taking it down since it's a non-historic feature and this is going to be historic preservation I'm a Remax guy it's going to break my heart but they have to requirement uh yeah we can definitely

uh You' I hope you'd understand um it probably wouldn't Vibe well with you know a historic preservation Grant when you have a modern billboard on the top of it and a semi semi enforced uh design you know preservation design guidelines on the on the structure when it really needs to be like you know fully fully in compliance with the secretary of interior standards so that would be my

one of my main concerns um I think that's it for me right now thanks you can see with the coming in under both historical and housing you got a lot more restrictions with the historical part if it's housing there's a little more leeway in it so you have to determine and which way you're going to go on that too to let us know because if we do historical and housing you were tied to keeping it

historical so just so it's almost like if you're already pooven to the restrictions like I don't really see the the negative to going for you know Mass historic commission tax credits it's just essentially more money for the project um and you're under the same it's the same restrictions that they use yeah it take you a little longer but you have a little more spending money right but would it would

um govern certain things that they would fund out would be the entire project well like uh it's tax credits that you get and they're mainly uh interested in the exterior of the building the facade what you do to the apartments is is not going to be uh that'd be more that'll be addressed more with the housing you know Maron guess Tak care of that section and giving you stipulations no wonder how

historic tax credits inside will count too you're only allowed to change so much yes yes correct stairwells and things it do create a different circumstances for you whatever you want to accomplish you know I just I think we just want to make sure you understand the expectations that would come uh like the strings attached to this money and cuz um you know if the work is done not up to you know historic

preservation standards that would be a problem understood okay thanks okay Jim any questions affordable housing uh you said that in the write up and my apologies I was U thinking of a $3 million project and trying to understand it uh and I didn't and that um you said uh yeah 25% of the total unist will be set aside as a affable affordable housing correct I mean that's what it says yes

sir what does that work down to in terms of numbers affordable and not affordable I think he said he'd agree to seven yeah up two seven would be affordable and would you define affordable in terms of dollars I think our income is about family income is about 70,000 usually I believe it's side to the medium household income in the city so that you would have the restrictive covenants on whatever units the city

decides it would be spread out some could be on the first floor second floor the size of the units so they would maintain that restrictive covenant I believe it's for uh the folks would rentals yes sir and would they be open to Section 8 rentals as well the with the other ones it could be market rate and uh depending on what the what section 8 would pay for them yeah

yeah that's what I meant to that's why I wanted to split them I passed my microphone off to him and I yeah all of the housing authorities in our area there's a huge demand for um handicap accessible housing I think every every housing authority in our area I think there's a huge demand for that so some of those could go that way and I believe with the overall demand for housing uh some of those units could

potentially go to Section 8 but we are um those will be dedicated the ones through the city and then otherwise we we are looking for market rate right and market rate units okay and I think the I think that that was my question I think that's that's fine I think it's very much needed and it's particularly needed in the Flint area but it's needed all over the city agreed sir just to let you know

that when we do a uh a housing project um normally CDA holds the deed restriction so uh they would be responsible for getting the paperwork making sure affordable housing is followed so right so you deal with them as you said yeah yes sir fine it would be a restrictive covenant on the property they dictate uh which units are the ones that are going to be um uh available through that and it's

spread out so we have like I said some throughout the building first floor second floor maybe some of the um handicap accessible units thank you thank you sir any questions no I think we've uh answered most of those one of was are you a contractor or a developer or both but I guess you're going to you're a developer in essence correct correct yes sir yeah uh and you mentioned that you were going

to be supervising and and maintaining this are you a contractor I'm a contractor but I'm not going to be working in that capacity on a project like this a liced contract in the state yeah but I'm working in the capacity of control construction and whatnot with the architectural portion of it to make sure that everything is done in accordance with uh 780 CMR State Building Code yeah yeah good okay no I

other questions were all answered thank you good so uh so are you would you be responsible for the Secretary of interior standards then as well I'll be working on yeah that's part of what we we're doing with our drawing so okay we'd be involved in that and making sure that it stays in line okay uh on Zoom Joanne Chris any questions still a delay

okay I would I would have just just one more question please no none for me okay uh if uh if you if you're going after the Secretary of interior standing you're going to go to National Park Service monies is there any way that you could sort of keep the historical commission a breast of this and also the CPA just a little note uh you know so that so that we have an idea what the

progress is Right absolutely that'd be great thank you so along that lines I was going to say this kind of towards the end um would you be uh willing to accept final design review sign off by the historic commission to make sure all the preservation standards are up to uh par yeah absolutely okay that would I would probably suggest that be written into the Grant W okay uh we'll move on to the next one which

uh is here's two is 1616 and 1622 Pleasant Street renovation rehab same bringing the building back uh housing Windows uh you're looking for 300,000 this is on Pleasant Street 2 uh smaller property uh 12 12 units yes correct so over two storefronts so looking like four affordable yes sir we take more but we'd like the 25 uh percent at least yeah um I see you're investing uh 1.75 or is it 3.5 3.5

3.5 uh you got a letters from historical commission for mayor for redevelopment um I don't think I let the board ask the questions from here um all right we'll start with uh Michael do you have any questions I do yeah again the same question on your form uh project budget uh item number six you've got CPA funding and it's it's actually indicated here 1.75 uh million and then other funds 1.75

million for a total of 3.5 million um that's a lot different than 300,000 so um just it's a conflict not a conflict but it's uh incorrect on this form and I just want to make sure it was 300,000 that you're looking for and then I also noticed uh under the uh codes and Zoning uh none of the um items were checked off and I'm assuming and I don't know this

for fact that all of upgrades will have to occur inside the building I can tell you was that's on your application it's on uh project checklist um so I don't have anything checked off on this one they're all left blank and just wanted to find out we got everything that's going to be brought up to code yes sir full full remodel yeah it it was um six Apartments over two storefronts there were big

Apartments there actually like four bedrooms so now we're dividing it uh the units in half so we end up with a uh 12 units still maintaining the the two store fronts and this will go through um I'm assuming Architectural Review uh for Access erress handicapped accessibility Etc um and I'm assuming it's going to end up going through historical commission as well for review if that's correct yes sir

that's all the questions I have okay so I'm assuming a lot of the questions will probably be asked similar to the previous property um one question for maybe both properties actually when if everything goes according to plan when do you expect to begin on this work as soon as possible okay like what summer fall like what I guess what in your perfect world so they've already issued the roof permits okay for for both

buildings uh We've already uh done the environmental on on the big building uh there we already have a company lined up to do the environmental on this particular building 1616 so we we are ready to to start the the project right away okay so sooner rather than later so q1 Q2 yes sir got it okay that's all I had that's also why we had applied for the remodel permit on the original 9 to to keep

things moving along makes sense y just remember whatever we fund you can't start till the funds are granted yes sir so just keep that in mind so with that kind of timeline it sounds like you're really pushing your luck for um like historic tax credit possibilities and the mass historic commission um is that kind of your answer then in terms of are you going to pursue that I don't think that that

funding impacts the roofs of the historical funding I don't did both of these build buildings have a lot of work that need to be done on the interior okay so so like 1616 there's a a big Skylight that happened overnight so we need to uh it's conver we're addressing that right now to save stabilize the building because right now when you walk in you can't even go into the basement because

there's a hole that I remember said that there's a crater that that that fits in there so we got to those areas we understand we can't get the funding for because we get to start working to protect it like on the previous project there's a little bit in the dip in the roof that we have to redo so we understand we're sensitive to the items that can and can't be done like the

interior 1616 there's a lot of cleanup that has to occur that cleanup would have nothing to do with the CPA if we need to do anything with stabilizing on the inside and so be at so those are the things that we can do at this point with being sensitive to not touch okay you know what we can't do yeah okay um and then um just similar to my questions for the last uh application um just if

you could provide supporting evidence for the proof of your other funding that's already secured uh that would be beneficial um and then this is the one that actually had the renderings of the black windows um so like it's it just um I've personally seen like how taking like one building that has historically white windows and putting them black in a you know an area that it doesn't match

it really kind of pops out in not the best way so that's kind of why I'm keep kind of coming back so the the renderings that were putting together were part of what we were looking to see how it was going to look understood the color just a matter of pressing a button on the program we can change that color but it's to see how it was to where it

is and how it's cleaning up so the colors are just colors at this point we can change it by the crayon color obviously when we get to that point of you know doing the finalized when we'll have to be real sensitive to it and again cuz that some of that stuff was also part together a put part together for the uh uh getting it in front of um Mike Dion so we can see what we're

looking at the the stor front and where we're going down the path to sront so I shouldn't expect to see these renderings exactly as the final product well final product when we know what the colors are going to be and we've done our research to get there then we'll we'll make that adjustment okay um cuz I believe you're removing some of the historical featured paneling at the bottom of the storefront

windows and your rendering so that would be another concern CH concerning change um that would have to be reviewed you know for the secretary interior standards um is similarly are you planning on replacing the window sills in this CU it looks like they're replacing the rendering um but it could just be you know limitations of the the modeling um because it's like natural it's like uh Far Over Granite window

cills right now and if you replace those with something not far over Granite you know that would be a concern for me is so is the plan to replace those window sills or restore them well we're looking to restore the front so I mean again we would have to go and and deal with that like I said this was something that was real quick to get the point that we could actually address storefront uh as well

okay um that's it for me okay Jim any questions just uh double cheing you looking at four four four affordable units yes sir thank you okay Rick anything um all these questions are a duplicate so I'm not going to go into that uh the uh phases one two three four you've got days assigned are they going to be running concurrently uh if possible yes yeah so it it's really not phases it's what's

going to be done as a whole correct sir because as you've got it the breakdown is is in is in sections you know okay fine so so your max days would not be you know and here it's totals up to you know a th days you're really going to be down a year or so probably yeah yeah we'd like to keep things moving along as fast as as fast as possible

okay and I kind of assume that but I'm just asking understood thank you I'm good too uh Joan Chris any questions from you

guys it's a they have a delay from internet had the Q card so good no no questions all right nothing from me well gentlemen I do appreciate you uh coming in and than you me thank you we might ask some questions we'll give you a call if we do we deliberate next week I actually I have one more question how much money are you asking for on the 1616 300 300,000 sir there was a typo in

here we apologize I'm just finding that out now um it's really hard okay I been you know somehow thought the mayor I'm the mayor's appointee he' recommended 3 million plus the first one if you could proof read thank you we would appreciate 3 million if possible but we'll gladly take 300,000 I'm sure you would to I thank you very much thank you appreciate everyone thank you uh oh next thank you

I was going to do that but thank you so much far River Highland local 40c historic district expansion form B's uh this is a historic uh project is to pay for a consultant to conduct Outreach efforts to engage in required Form B research submission to the uh Mass historical commission completion of this project the Highland local 40c uh with recommendations for new boundaries uh you're looking for 69,6

7 excuse me Mr chairman I'm going to have to recuse myself from this yep and I'm a board member of the preservation Society so I also have to recuse myself all right and I and I too have to recuse myself as I was one of the volunteers who started the initiative of um trading this plan okay good luck uh so I see this is a the it's more like a what a two block

area three block area the I think I remember talking to Jim Su about this long time ago that it'd be a good thing to do and uh so basically uh you're looking to have a historic district uh there uh inventory documents now as far as uh once this gets done is it mandatory that everyone that lives in that area follow how does that that work um and uh my name is Jason Bard nakaki I uh chair

theic uh my name is Jason bushard naraki I am the chair of the historical commission my address is 45 Bigalow Street um so with the uh the rules set forth by the Massachusetts historical commission through uh Mass General law 40c it does um there does not need to be 100% buy in for the property owners uh we do need uh 2/3 City Council vote for it to pass um once they're in the the

boundary lines uh of the protected uh local historic district so any yes so they do have to abide by certain rules that we have in place um we have a a set of design guidelines um it's really only anything that is any major alterations to the exterior of the building that's seen from a public way um but there are exemptions uh like we do not look at we will not review paint

color or roof colors um you know landscaped uh features things like that so there's there are a lot of exemptions we're actually quite flexible compared to other communities around us um but um so yes to answer that question okay yeah but it opens up a lot of extra funding for you folks when it comes time to doing sidewalks and stuff historic does that benefit anything or how does that

work not really no I mean if anything it would would be um I mean if there's there's one extra layer uh in terms of getting the building permit they'll have to in order to get a building permit they need a certificate of appropriateness from from the historical commission first um making sure that everything is consistent within within the historic district guidelines I guess um but it doesn't

open up extra funding for the historical commit at all what what is the benefit to doing this just generally speaking yeah um so the so the uh existing local uh Highlands local historic district that we have it's 48 properties um this right now we had surveyed um 165 additional properties within the existing National register District so the benefit is that it does um so a national register District doesn't

really have the um the level of protections that would prevent insensitive alterations demolition um you know if if there is a demolition there's a six-month Dem demolition delay by a city ordinance but if it's in a local historic district the historical commission has the ability to deny an an application for for Demolition and that's not just the whole building it could be part of the building it could

be you know like a porch off the building um so the benefit is it retains the architectural fabric of the neighborhood um the area that we have that we're targeting is in my professional experience uh in preservation and Architectural history is the highest in my opinion it is the highest degree of architectural significance in the city of Fall River um we're looking at the stretch of

Highland Avenue from Maple Street up to President Avenue and then the neighborhoods uh the streets to the West so be parts of High Street not all of them but like parts of High Street Lincoln Rock so those are the highest level of of architectural um significant buildings that we have in the city and that's in comparison to other parts of the city in your estimation and that's why you chose this right there's already

the existing local historic district there now um the city has other national uh National registered districts like there's Corky row which is indicative of the like all the tenant housing there is downtown which is more commercial based and then there's the lower Highlands which is more of the um that's a national register district and that's you know the early settlement patterns of of fla River um so the highlands

because it already has the local historic district set in place uh we're looking to expand that okay those boundary lines okay I understood um okay yep got it is there do you have any feedback from the property owners now like how they feel about being in this District so we did two rounds of surveys so the first surveys went out in July to 148 properties um our response rate so we were going

with recommendations from the mass historical commission which is a paper mailer um it's 2024 well 2024 now 2025 um so we only had a return rate of about 35 surveys which from what I am understanding is on par with the the return rate from the previous from the historic district study commission out of how many out of 148 um so we do we are sending out a second survey uh probably in March and that will be

digital uh through Google form accessed by a QR code only sent to the property owners so they would be able to answer it that way so I'm hoping we're hoping that we can get a yeah you need a statistically valid sampling right yeah Mass historical commission is a little I mean appropriately so Antiquated um so um we're hoping that we can do that so the other um in October we voted to ex

to amend the boundary line of the the target area by 17 properties so those surveys went out actually this afternoon so we have not received those fair enough um one actually quick question just in just uh for the sake of if it's in the packet I apologize do you have the survey or the questions available that we could take a look at to see what I can supply this yes if you don't mind

I just would like to see what is being asked of the of the neighborhood residents yeah yep um so the mailer it's a a template that was given to us by the mass Massachusetts historical commission uh we also included a little um uh pamphlet that they have produced it's called Uh there's a difference uh it goes over the differences between a national register district and a local historic district and it's the common

most uh misunderstood set of differences between if you have a national register it's more honorary than anything sure there's not a whole lot of protection a local you're looking at really safeguarding the value the characteristics of a given area so understood that it's more of a kind of a preventative to keep the neighborhood intact visually historic um in your in your experience is that a is that a

concern for these types of neighborhoods where like you do see demos happening quite often like you know I guess I guess maybe the concern here and and again I would just be curious to see how people vote on it is does it make their lives harder to do upgrades to their houses so it exempts maintenance for one um if there's any yeah any typical general maintenance of the house completely exempt um if there's

something that um if they're just um you know repainting the house or something like they they can do that or just re Roofing the house as long as the material is consistent um and like I said we are very flexible so they would need to check with you they would have so they you can't just right they have to go through the building department first and then um okay whether or not

sometimes we'll have to issue um like a certificate of non applicability if it's just completely exempt from our review yeah um I'm trying to think of examples here um like for example we did have one homeowner who was replacing their slate roof with architectural asphalt shingle Slate's expensive uh and price it's cost prohibitive so other houses in the neighborhood have architectural asphalt

shingles so that was something that we did approve because it is it's expensive it's expensive yes yeah we don't want that hardship on the homeowners what if they make a mistake what if they don't go to you what if they forget that's happened that's happened I can see that happening yeah has happen what what if a new person buys a house they're not aware of that happens all the time well

and that's the other thing so it's happening less it's happening less yes that's good it's happening less um because the district is only 10 years old now the existing okay 40c district is only 10 years old um we have we it's taken that long to have the relationship that we have with the building department to understand if an application comes before them now that their applications are all online uh

their permitting is online um they cross check the addresses to make sure that it's not there's no restrictions and if there are then they pass it over to us does this do anything to the housing value of these houses once it goes through it's not proven typically it stays the same or elevates the value of the generally speaking obviously Market the market will be the market but got it I mean you're looking at too for

comparison purposes um Fall River has 48 houses or properties within a local historic district um Providence for example has several Newport it's endless and the values are going the values go up in that it also creates a stronger need for skilled trades uh things like uh uh stone work window work um things like that um so it does create the need for for additional skill trade understood okay thank you you're welcome

give any questions youj is there a new state law as far as like accessor dwelling issues with people renting their house or having like we're seeing more and more where people renovate their garage out back and now they turn it into an apartment and they you know a sublet almost yeah does that does that have any impact on um I think it it would probably fall under so there is with an

accessory dwelling as long as if especially if it's seen from the street I think it just has to be that's the key that's the key thing uh it as long as it's compatible with it you know if you have a Queen Anne house and you're throwing in a you know a flat roofed glass little Block in the the backyard that's a different situation but if it looks more in line to the neighborhood

around it then but it doesn't matter that it was used for a garage for 100 Years and we're going to turn it into an apartment as long as it aesthetically still matches we don't look at the interior at all no no no yeah uh Chris and joy any questions looks like we're good guys uh thanks for coming in thank you thank you uh if you want to uh send that stuff you can email

it to Sandy and she can get it to our thank you thank you thank you thanks no questions none from me all right next is uh the dery Block it's under historic preservation replacement of 132 Windows uh look it's at 8084 North Main Street uh looking for $5 48,1 um okay this is a a stor um this actually falls in line with what we've been doing uh with the dery tech building uh knocking wood the Armory

might be going in the right direction uh if this building goes in the right direction we would have quite a feather in our hat uh for helping that corner uh uh preserve itself um it looks like they're going to put uh 8.7 million into the project um uh they secured uh Mass housing credit uh National Park Service Credit uh Mass development funding uh I guess for a million dollars uh they've a letter from the historic

commission um see business um you've gone through you got a tip from the board of the city council uh so it looks like you're financing everything looks good and you're ready to go um open it up uh Michael do you have any questions uh yeah I do um uh the first one I had a question on is just the uh what's the terms on the city of Fall Rivers Tiff on this particular it's a uh

for record I'm Ken fola I'm the Executive Vice President of Bristol countyc and a uh representative of the um the dery trust limited partnership for the application uh the actual tie agreement with the city is in keeping with other tie agreements uh those tie Agreements are for 10year terms um during the first 5 years there's an 80% uh tax increment exemption on the new value that's being created at the

property itself so right now there's a baseline value at that property that Baseline value is not is not touched that always continues to be taxed and increased uh accordingly um the tie applies to the new value that's being created as a result of the project the first five years represent an 80 % uh tax exemption and the second 5 years represent a 20% tax exemption okay thank you I'm good and just one other question

uh there this is uh residential I noticed that um um there's no affordable component of this this is all market rate correct 100% and it just you're going for the historical component of it uh is there any um will there be any other uh at Street uh retail or something of that nature or is it all residential it's all residential okay thank you hi um thanks for sending over that

information uh ahead of time um I think you answered pretty much all my questions already regarding what the approved uh you know tax incentives were um in the total project cost that you sent over I just wanted to make sure I think there was a typo uh period instead of a comma is the total Pro cost of this uh building 8,700 376 that's what it's projected to okay um that's it for me thanks okay Jim any

questions I just wish there were some affordable housing could you explain why there is none well if you want my personal opinion I can give it to you you want my personal opinion sure sure yeah sure fine so if you look at the city right now over 20% of the housing rental housing is deed restricted affordable housing um that doubles what is required by the state and The City Is Now by virtue of

various projects trying to create additional units for residential purposes within the city and a lot of those have been for mocker rate units so in order to have a healthy City there's got to be a proper mix of marer rate units as well as affordable units and in comparison to other cities and towns and Gateway cities and towns in particular Fall River Falls behind them with regard

to Market unit availability and offering in terms of providing more affordable housing I think the question really should be looked at as to where affordable housing should be also um accommodated and I think the Suburban communities of floriva need to step up and do their fair share and afford and create affordable housing you have um less than 5% and sometimes less than 3% affordable

housing percentages in Somerset Freetown Westport dmouth and other areas so to concentrate all the affordable housing in one particular area I don't think is very healthy in a long term for the city and I think it needs to be shared out amongst other partners that are but the city and those suburbs depend on the city for employment opportunities and other types of opportunities okay thank you you're

welcome Rick any questions uh no I think we're pretty well set with this no I think we're set set to uh Chris Joan any questions no questions all right none from me okay next we're moving on to the St John's Holy Ghost club uh this is a histore uh installation of fire suppression and sprinkler system throughout the entire building uh it's at 1975 Pleasant Street um we've gone years without anything from Pleasant

Street and this time around we got like five projects from them so glad to see that um they're looking for $225,000 um I did want to I I I see you have an investment already in the the building could we just state it the the Leonardo Diago president of St John's Holy Ghost 306 Jefferson Street um I see you already invested in the building uh but now you're coming in front of us for historical money

and some of the uh work you've done hasn't really meant the historic standards uh would you be willing I'm I'm first of all the the down spouts are white they used to be copper in the future would you be willing to and I know when you bought the building it was gutted by fire and you had to secure it seal it up and get it you know secure so I understand that part but going forward

would you be willing to take the building back to as much historical as you can working with us the historical commission yes okay all righty um I see you're applying for historic tax credits too yes okay um just just on that instance the historic tax credits I think they may this they may be difficult to secure because the historic character of the building by virtue of the fire has

already been significantly diminished yes so this is a this is a these these types of things are very they're funny types of projects to fit within certain boxes because you know once you have these significant impacts to the building unless you rebuilt those in accordance with the original int you the original uh plans of the building the chances of securing historic tax credits become

much more difficult in this particular instance I think it's just good you know just for a real quick history lesson but I think everybody knows but just for your listening audience or your viewing audience so in 2016 uh this building was actually before 2016 this building was put out to bid for development and it was going to be converted into residential unit then there was a significant fire that

occurred at the building itself the original developer was granted the um the authority to back out of the deal okay so the city put the project project back out to bid two bids came forward uh one bid was from a local developer that was going to demolish the building and create four single family homes there so the historic Coughlin school would be forever gone um the St John's uh Holy

Ghost Club association came forward and actually submitted the second bid and they immediately went forward to redo the entire roof so that the building became stabilized because it went for a year here without being stable and it was a lot of water damage throughout the entire building as a result of having a roof that was in Failure they stepped up and they actually you know made the

necessary improvements to stabilize the property so as a nonprofit group from you know 2016 2017 forward they've been trying to move forward to try to improve the building to the best they can right and some of that you know may may have been in keeping with the historic standards some of it may have not but I think there is a willingness to move forward and try to keep with historic standards moving

forward here the um the fire suppression system is an eligible uh use under historic preservation and we will work closely with you to once we have plans solidified to show how it's going to take place within the building so you'll be able to see them as well you know my gut sense it's probably going to be um a duck system that's acceptable cuz is instead of breaking into all the walls

and putting all the events and doing all it's probably going to be a duck system which is similar to what would happened in the um the Adams House which received historic tax credits there so moving forward I think that's the intent is to try to do as much as you can the be the building's beautiful and they're taking authorship in its ownership and pride in its ownership and so I think they want

to do everything they can to keep it as close to its its initial design and the Integrity as possible Ken W in in light of your your answer your questions and then your answers back I have a series of questions that uh just for clarification to assist in uh sustaining and substantiating you you know your your remarks um but we we realize that the roof was destroyed and if you look

at the older pictures that roof had probably a 12 to1 pitch the new roof was put in there at maybe and again I'm I I haven't been on the property physically so I have to look from the straet but the pitch has been greatly reduced which dropped the level of the roof was that done for no the roof was done as the pitcher was because when I went there to

hot Pine and he had the blueprint of the building beforehand and he made the exact same roof the only thing is is like in they used to be Dividing Walls he just put it all open it's all open from one eyes but it's actual the same roof the only thing is the gut is that we just the chimneys okay yeah the chimneys well that was my next question the roof was sided with it looks like

architectural asphalt shingles now the original roof had slate yes yes and they make an asphalt slate shingle that replicates the looks and what's on there now is and the reason for putting the architectural shingles on versus the Slate was financially we we paid for that yeah the these this is a nonprofit they weren't going so when they first took over this property it was stabilization they

weren't thinking necessarily about historic preservation right they had to get this building stabilized as a nonprofit the difference between architecture the the shingles that you're talking about is versus the shingles that are there now is substantially higher if if this was a different type of project and then not this is a Community Kitchen there so they're not going to be generating excessive revenues from this

project they're going to be providing an asset to the community they're not going to be you know having mockery or affordable housing units there it's going to be something that helps this community in a religious aspect and uh philosophy and so it was just a different approach to rehab at that point and they weren't thinking about and they probably didn't even know about historic tax credits right they were

just let's get in there stabilize let's incrementally grow this thing as best we can okay leads to another question okay and this is good these answers are good this gets the general public involved and all of us up to Snuff uh there were two Chimneys in there large uh chimneys those seem to have disappeared yes so the reasoning for why because of from all that water damage and the thing it

was just caving in it were caving in it was cheaper just to get rid of them then repair on them that's what the when they went to put the roof on they says you know you're going to spend all this kind of money and try to read then you had to from the beginning all the way up I said just get rid of it and that time like I like you was saying I wasn't thinking

about how soral I just had to they told me I had to put a roof in lock it up make sure that nobody goes back inside and damages more which again leads us to the coer gutters that were up there they were replaced with vinyl white yeah because those Coppa guttal half of them was stolen half of the place was uh yeah they stole everything you know sold the metals on the interior the

ca gutters they stole everything all the piping inside there were gone and that was even before they had actually taken ownership of it but the and why use why was white put in there as opposed to because it was cheaper yeah there was no again when they were doing it Unfortunately they weren't really cognizant they were just trying to get this thing solidified because the city had told me you have to have this done

they had to do what you have six months to do six months I see your point in like how had to get to where you were because you had to button up the building but from uh going forward I mean because you if you get the tax credits that helps you out a lot working with the historic Commission on what you want to do next um like just the overhang

porch that would be a toot cuz the overhang yes you know why we had to put that in that was ruining all the granite it was the water was going into the basement that the granite was tilting and so we had to cover something to to block it cuz we didn't have the money to repo it or do anything and then I didn't know that we couldn't just do that I just said it's better off on

overhang so that way when it rings it doesn't go down the B basement we used to always have water in a basement at least a foot of water all the time yeah I don't I don't think this property is ever going to be eligible for historic Tax Grants it may be eligible for up underl properties and other types of Grants yeah to stable you know to further make these improvements and I

think what they're saying is that they will work as closely as possible to try to rehabit with that I mean you've done a good job at thank you preserving the building now I mean a lot of it's not to and but if you could make it I mean it could end up like the boarding school a parking lot which we don't want to see but to get funding from us you would

have to commit to working closer with the historical commission and going down the road uh putting the right stuff back up You' come before us so now you would have that option but everything you do would have to be you can't just decide you want to put up a roof or change something you know we didn't know that for a new what have came over here and you would have

maintaining the Integrity of the historic nature of the building like you were saying about the gutus you want to change the gutus you could change the gutus to me to make a historical Windows whatever has to be done you can do it as long as you got money to pay for it yeah I think we're going to have to look again it's just a matter of cost right because the building I can tell

you unequivocally this building will not qualify for his stock tax credit exactly it's off the table but on our end we just want to make I think the improvements moving forward would be in keeping follow State Standards you you come for advice I mean we we can't Grant you money every year to finish things but if there's ways out there to find funding to help you keep it one of the

things we're going to be looking for is there's another round of up coming up we're going to try to include an application for for that type of money right so and if we get that we'll have to identify the use so we can closely coordinate that with the historical commission and others to make sure that we're doing as best we can with these types of things I just have a couple of

comments if you don't mind uh one I want to um commend you on doing this because uh being in the development world I see a lot of these types of properties and it gets to a point where they're um deteriorate so much you can't do anything about it so thank you for stepping up and saving that particular building and while uh there could have been better Avenues and maybe more uh

financially uh compensated to you to do it a different way um thank you for doing that and and again I think this is a project uh uh that does help the community and thank you for your services on doing that again I think uh particularly I just had a couple of questions um I'm assuming you're a non-for-profit organization right okay so there's really not any tax benefits to this to the city you're doing it out

of the kindness of your heart fisers yeah fundraisers and such on and so will um the funds given to you uh for this particular projects allow you to do more fundraisings for your organization still going to do fundraises yeah def fin the building yeah with the with the once fire suppression is installed in the building yeah they then have the ability to use the basement in the first floor

okay they cannot and it can also put fire suppression on the third level right the second floor I'm sorry yeah they can't use the second floor cuz it's not handicap accessible right but at least the fire suppression will be there so the building will be preserved from burning down right that's the biggest preservation aspect of this thing and then like I said incrementally of the one thing I did want to clarify in my

response to Alex I put 125,000 they've actually provided me with some additional information audited information today that they've spent uh just about $275,000 of their money in the last since 20 17 on the rehab in this property um and they also had an uncalculated amount of in kind Services donated by their members who are Tradesmen right so they were able to save they were able to buy materials but

not incur the cost of Labor because they had conferences they'll have plumbers they have other Tradesmen that could help them with that so it's really been a holistic effort to try to do this thing MH it's like a family thing yeah m any any kind of like a a business plan like how you would sustain this like one of the things that we talk about and we talked about it yesterday with like St

an's uh again it's not a I'm not looking for this to be a business but to make sure that you know in 50 years when you're gone and work going to have fundraisers like the hall yeah so there'll be a EV space and it's also going to they're going to have kitchen and they'll be able to serve meals and they'll be able to do those types of things so that that's the revenue

that'll be gener generated itself gotta once she once the building gets to the point where it can be utilized a little bit more that's it thank you Chris good yep uh you actually answered my question ahead time I was going to have you tell everyone uh just kind of the Investments that you made already but I think you kind of went through that in 275,000 since 2017 uh as a nonprofit organization that's certainly

commendable well it's due to the fact that my family donated $130,000 oh W into this building props to your family yeah because my mom loved the the St John's that's what it was so we just said take it you know and then uh Michael kind of touched upon my question but I just want to be a little bit more clear with it um so do you anticipate if this project were to move

forward that the additional space will be able to provide uh additional ability to generate revenue and what cases like do you have any specific things in mind or is it like you said the the event space and then the kitchen is something you can't do now because of this okay yeah that's it's it's a it's a it's the chicken in the egg right you can't use the space to you get the fire

suppression you get the fire suppression they've already started working on some of the kitchen they put in the grease trap they've done some other things but you really can't utilize or capitalize upon those improvements until you have the ability to safely bring people into the building and in order to do that you need the fire suppression and then um just kind of listening to uh the other committee

members comments about um you know P work not meeting historic preservation standards and and all that um I'm wondering if uh your organization would be willing in the event of this uh application moving forward uh if your organization could like you know ratify a long long-term kind of capital Improvement plan that kind of outlines that you're committed to you know restoring some of those historic

features you know as funding becomes available it's not anything like you know kind of time restricted or time demanding but just like an official plan from the organization that just shows your commitment to the community that you do want to restore it in the historically appropriate way um and then you know like John said like this is an Avenue for funding and then as future funding sources come about you can you

know pursue them as you see fit but um I think that would maybe put some uh peace at for some people's minds uh in terms of um you know granting a historic preservation grant for a building that's been uh generally pretty pretty altered but you know saved nonetheless from you know the wrecking ball and there would be a preservation deed restriction on the property you know in the event that

there was an award made yeah right and I think you know I don't know what the policy is of the CPC but you know maybe so the biggest cost of these the two biggest cost all these projects incur are windows the windows are are crazy expensive like the project before you had over $500,000 worth of window repair M and the second biggest thing is is elevators a good elevator is going to cost you

anywhere between $150 to $210,000 that's big money right especially for nonprofits so in the event that there's other ample opportunities to maybe come back at a future stage or or get some other funding from other programs I think all those things will be on the table yeah I mean and when you start putting your plan together sit down with the historical commission and say all right

I think we want to do the windows Y and they can guide you and point you in the right direction right people and then you put your plan together come back and see us and we'll help you move forward and the and the up so we secured up funding for 285 299 South Main Street and that was specifically for an elevator and for Windows now we didn't get all the money they didn't get all

the money they needed for the windows but they got money in this case here I think what they're committing to is when they do the windows they would do them in accordance with the historical look of the windows right and that's I think what's going to be important to you guys right aren't you well the windows that were there we just had to replace the ones that were broken the the U what you're doing to

the building and saving the building is great I mean it it's but you're modernizing the building is what you're doing and you're taking that romanis look of that historic uh building and and changing it make it into a modern structure uh that's okay that that's fine you you know you're allowed to do that and and that's great and I commend you for the hard work and everything that you've done to put in there uh if

if uh and I had a whole series of questions because of that overhang and and the brick columns that are being put in the glass block windows that have been put in the basement and stuff of replicating or or repairing the existing and and just wondering what your thought process is um and and it appears that maybe it was just the lack of Direction yes it appears okay would would it be

possible to uh within the next week May to get some sort of a description of what you might foreseeable want to do with the building in the future to correct some of these issues maybe 10 days or so maybe two weeks just to get that together we vote the end uh the 27th yeah maybe like CU I got there's a bunch of stuff the next couple weeks yeah I guess yeah but we can pull some

together yeah all right and get that to us and you know the whole thing simple you don't have to you know the whole thing about that building it was that staircase I felt in love with that staircase when you walk into that building that's why I says I'm going to buy that building oh yeah yep that beautiful staircase that they was all ruined from water damage yep and that kind of like long-term

capital Improvement plan is kind of similar to that that list that you'd be putting together for Rick um but I I would even just suggest like it go even further when you know you look at when you have to replace or or repair the roof that you you put on like you know just as if there's like a commitment to you know doing something more of the historical slate look you know like

something like even just outlining those steps and making sure your organization is on board like your members vote whatever needs to be done um it would just show like the intent you know from from your the organization to the committee and the public yeah we're not expecting you to put on the shingles now I know I know down the line can be replaced you know there's certain things there there are other

methods that could be used to give you the same results without having that yeah the station phase get up little get up a little put a little traction under our feet and I think we can start doing some things yeah get something official and get it signed up so that we've got some sort of a document that's you know an official document that this is what you propose to do in the future uh maybe

get away from some of that white uh you know I wish I would have put a brown absolutely you know it's certainly would have support yeah the gutters when I got there half of the gutters are gone all the but you you had sofits and faur on that building that the the the lumber is 150 years old and instead of painting it you put vinyl on there you know that vinyl could come

off and get repainted but I saved all the brick from the fireplaces from the chimneys oh that's actually yeah because we were we were going to re we going to repoint the the staircases you know from the outside they're all fall AP we were going to wrap it around like so it can match the rest of the building saved it again just make a list of what you think you can do to repair and and get

that back to a historic looking structure uh some AR official and maybe a little visit to the historic historical commission when you get an opportunity just to uh maybe maybe have a little conversation might be in order should that go to the chair yeah okay yeah okay we'll get that to you they just emailed the Sandy and we'll absolutely we'll get that to you thank you thank you best of luck and thanks you yeah

yeah it's a new year oh I didn't hear uh I had a I had a question okay sorry go ahead Chris so um just one question I was wondering how long of a timeline you were looking at once the fire suppression system would be in place that you could actually open it and start doing the things that you need to do like just fundraisers or open Al together for um the restaurant part of

it and things like that soon as we can get so soon once the fire suppressions in place we can probably get an occupancy permit from the um from the building department the building inspector then they'll be able to have functions right now they're forced to have their functions outside underneath the tent yeah right so which limits their ability to raise funds because it's seasonal once you can utilize the

building and the 10 out de side it gives you so the fire suppression is really the key so I think your your um recommendations come forward then they're approved by the council or or voted upon by the council in June we well no we actually the reason we have two meetings this month for uh funding is because we vote uh at the end of the month Y and we're putting it in front of

the city council in February oh really that's that's I didn't realize that that's a lot better that's why we rushed oh good we had uh you know if you had an outside project uh and you don't get uh the funding request till July first you can't line up uh contract contractors and stuff because they already got their schedule done y this way you'll know at the end end of the month whether you're

approved or not and you can start you know you can't spend the money yet until city council approves but you will know that uh yeah this way you'll be able to get a little quicker we can already get proposals done and say okay let's yeah we already got two now we just just got to get them started so your document yeah time frame I now I understand the urgency cuz I'm say what did you say

you're doing this weekend well I'm getting surgery on my knee tomorrow so you know then I got a bunch of other things I got to do so we'll we'll get it done I'm one of the MERS am I able to just make folks aware of something sh you could just come to the your my name is uh Edwin row I'm one of the board members and one of the folks that

I'm sitting with up in the back here uh wanted to uh let you folks know that we do continue doing things throughout the whole year uh one of the main um things that holds us back on the amount of funding that we can earn for ourselves is that we do dinnis throughout the year in fact if you folks would like to buy a dinner ticket I we can get you some uh but anyways we have

a dinner coming up in two weeks two weeks and we have to run it out of another complex that has the kitchen and we have to rent it so it it we we can make the funds but more of the funds are also being drained back out M that we're trying to earn so that we can continue on with with getting this building to a point and a place where we want it to

be and um there's a lot of work that's been done there by a lot of people um their own time there's a lot that's gone into it people will take out of their own pocket and just put it out if something is needed and don't look for anything back and that's one of the reasons that with still there able to do this is because of the commitment of the people that just aren't listed as being board

members but the folks that are just they're just members they're just they're just always there and with that I think I better sit down before I get hell later on how many members do you have just out a curiosity oh my God I you know what I can't give you I can't give you couple hundred uh about 150 150 okay I I would bet there could be even maybe more there could be more

than to me anyone who turns out for one of our dinners sure is a member gotcha understood and again we would like to sell you folks tickets and we have them why don't why don't you plug when it is uh how much it is and where it's going to be held what oh well it's uh they call it the pig roast you know the Portuguese oh I know the pig roast and it's going to be

at I don't know how to say that in English one on Hope Street y that's where we're renting out now that to do that no the the other one up next 369 Street yeah which is that would be 369 Hope Street okay that's the dinner used to be where robon school was and what's the date of that January January 25th address uh 369 Hope Street 36 9 Hope Street and at what time starts at

7:00 7:00 and how much are the tickets for that $40 $40 it yes thank you Ju Just to just to expand on all this you got to realize also that we're dealing with taxpayer money it's the city of Fall River taxpayer who's supporting this CPC that's right indirectly you're supporting money that you're looking to receive so we have to be very judicial in dispersing this and and the reason

for my list of questions which got all answered and sidetracked here uh is that the request is you're coming in for historic Provisions or historic uh uh under historic uh compensation and if you look at the building and Ken you just admitt it to the fact fact that it's not going to qualify because it's been changed so much and that's a concern to us okay so what we're asking is some sort of

affirmation from you that it will in the future even not I don't want you think that I'm neglecting a great job you're doing with the building you're doing a great job you're saving it it looks nice it's it's a you're making a nice modern unit yes that's great but on the historic side it's being eliminated and you're coming in here looking for historic so uh just give us some affirmation that you're going to in the

future attempt to yeah we can do that get back and we're not looking to have you do it overnight over I understand it's going to be work in progress yeah whatever it has to be done to make it historical looking just say you got to put Windows okay we go for the windows you got to change the guts we'll take down those white ones so we'll have them painted black or brown or whatever you

know oh G see one of your one of your volunteers a gallon of paint paintbrush huh and a pair of still all righty well thank you guys you thank you much uh I don't see any new business so what are you doing Ken um so just to the to follow up next week when we come in Tuesday we'll be deliberation which we'll sit down and we'll discuss every project that we've

heard over the last two days and this might be where we say on this project uh we don't want to do the whole thing maybe we'll do a roof a window this is where we'll debate on how we want to like come to our Point uh we'll have our score sheets we'll tell you how that's going to work next week um do you have any questions on deliberation what is yeah chairman brand

is it possible to get the score sheets in advance yeah we'll be sending those outware we just had to do a little more modifying just before the meeting we had uh we'll next time yeah that's fine that's fine just before the meeting so we can look at it we'll have it yeah we expl it'll explain it when you see the score sheet uh but yeah um spend the whole meeting discussing the score

sheet the uh yeah clear uh okay uh can I have a motion to adjourn I'll make the motion that we adjourn this meeting second okay roll call to my left Michael FZ yes Chris baves yes Alex Silva yes John brt yes James Yes Rick Mancini yes BJ McDonald yes uh Bentley yes oh Christen can Oliver yes nice ladies have a good night thank you you night all you