The Special Charter Review Committee of Fall River, Massachusetts, convened on May 22, 2023, at One Government Center, with Vice Chair Dan Robillon presiding. The committee began by approving the minutes from their May 15, 2023 meeting. Discussions then turned to the enforcement of the city charter, with reference to language from Reading, Pennsylvania, regarding the supremacy of the charter and the potential for a charter board. The committee also briefly touched upon procedures for recall elections, specifically concerning the term of office for a replacement. The meeting proceeded with a review of several charter sections. Section 2-1, pertaining to the terms of office for city councilors, was discussed, with a suggestion for four-year terms instead of two, but was ultimately tabled. Section 2-7, on access to information for the city council, was also tabled. A motion by Tracy Almeda, seconded by John Mitchell, to clarify the definition of "City Agency" in Section 3-2 by referencing Section 1.7 was passed. A significant debate ensued regarding the mayor's role as an ex-officio, non-voting member of all appointed multiple-member bodies, with Vice Chair Robillon expressing concerns about potential mayoral overreach. This motion to strike the relevant language was withdrawn and then tabled to allow for a more complete committee discussion. Finally, Section 9-14, concerning the enforcement of charter provisions and the establishment of a grievance committee, was tabled due to absent members and the need for further language development. The meeting concluded with a motion to adjourn, and the next meeting was tentatively scheduled for Monday, June 5th, in the Atrium.
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good evening everyone this is the meeting of the special Channel Review Committee from May 22nd 2023 we are located in the hearing room at one government center on the first floor uh I'm the vice chair Dan robillon and we have a quorum so we're ready because we have attendance please John Mitchell president Tracy Almeda Kathy namkovich Laura Washington Mimi laravee I'm gonna read the open meeting
0:39statement pursuant to the open meeting law any person may make an audio or video recording of this public meeting or made friends meant the meeting through any medium attendees are therefore advised with such recordings or Transmissions are being made with a perceived or unperceived by those boys and are deemed acknowledge and permissible sold to the flag please I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
1:11United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all right 18. uh we have a minute for the May 15 2023 meeting I'd entertain the motion motion to adopt a place on file second any discussion I'll second that motion's been made and seconded any discussion no all those in favor aye opposed so voted discussion and review of the following
1:57sections I've asked to read each section that's on the agenda we're going to go Section by section and uh one second and uh then we will uh take motions and votes as necessary on each section listed on the agenda public comment
2:33at the last meeting there was a discussion about enforcement of the charter it's it's on the agenda for tonight and uh I found some language from Reading Pennsylvania originally I was going to email it to the four people that were last meeting then I said well while you leave everybody else out because now we're gonna resend it to the other people I was gonna have Randy copy it to you people so I should have all
2:59kind of email from me uh part of the thing it was uh He was discussing about having a committee uh and uh one of the things was section one in Reading supremacy of the charter saying the charters the governing law of the city the chartered the governor of larger City of Reading no action or inaction by city council the administration or any other body created by this artist I'll be taking contrary to it whether
3:36individually collectively by ordinance resolution practice executive order or decision or any other means so the charter is you know to go out of land and whether people like it or not they should be abiding by an enforcement in I'd like to see that language put into that section of enforcement of the charter they also have their Charter board they form their Charter board some of their procedures and everything
4:09are kind of elaborate but the charter board so here and decide all cases of alleged in violation to the Charter and administrative code they went one step further the administrative code is the ordinances of the city to make sure that the audience not only the chart has been followed but the ordinances then they have a elaborate process and you know that sort of thing so there is something out there that you
4:41know you guys can probably use as a model if you so desire but if it's that first section they're about to try to be in the governing law I think we've got to put that in there because people read something if they don't like it they don't but and nobody does anything in a way of language reach now except that private citizens to sue the city and spend their own money to get the charter enforce
5:07so this sets up the board with all the rights and they uh they put the bar together with their rules and regulations by ordinance so everything's supposed to be legal and that sort of thing that was a good discussion about the time too how you make everything possible to get the right to find people and that sort of thing so but do you all have a copy of this so I should have got my email
5:36and that's it uh the other thing in the recall election I don't know where where you stand on that but if there is an election I think that the the election should go as far as the next city of action like we have our city elections in November but the term of Officer mayor goes to December 31st I guess right until the end of the year through that period from the data to recall election
6:10to January 1st I think the person that's elected in the next recall should get retroactive to the date that way you don't have to worry about well this person wasn't about we have a man that's not even elected by the people you know he may gain a month and a half a month to a month and a half on his term and at least you know you can say that well we've got a person that's elected
6:33by the people so if you I I think you haven't even not to have any elections which good for you and uh but if you do have elections I think much that we call election is there and he's out and there's a replacement that replacement will serve until the end of the year or until the next mayor is elected and he'll he'll come right on board from you know day
6:59one once he gets certified or or that qualified or whatever the term is that they use okay thank you thank you thank you uh what the record work reflects of this meeting that secretary Paul Machado was absent and uh Timothy Campos is also absent um discussions of the following sections in the charter much if anyone here uh requested any of these some of these we've already um we've already
7:36dealt with once but following the agenda section 2-1 terms of office Miss mankovich would you start off by reading each section into the reckon and we'll uh see if anyone has any questions sure uh section 2-1 composition term of office eligibility a compensation or composition there shall be a city council consisting of nine members elected at large which shall exercise the legislative powers of the city
8:13B term of office the term of office for city council shall be two years each beginning on the first Monday in the January succeeding the councilor's election except when that first Monday falls on a legal holiday in which event the term shall begin on the following day and until successors have been qualified C eligibility any voter shall be eligible to hold the office of counselor
8:37at large if a counselor at large removes from the city during the counselor's term that office shall immediately be deemed vacant and filled in the manner provided in section 2-11 the city council shall determine whether a counselor has removed from the city I read the original I believe we've slight I believe we um took out that last sentence that I read the city council shall determine whether
9:05a counselor has removed from the city we did yeah that's fine that's fine you won't have any questions thus far do we know why it was on the uh I have not I have no idea it was Reena mind to discuss it just told me that much do you know which part sure she wants 10 minutes oh so I don't know if there's any sense of wanting to him on this but uh
9:34table it and go back and if you think does that does anyone here have any questions I do not I mean I don't I like to see them there be a four-year term limit but I don't I I don't I would like to see that too only four years or four a four-year term four years four years instead of two years yeah yeah I well that's not the term limit that's the length of the day
10:12because I think
10:19city council shall be making them no wait no no no no I don't think that's oh this is yeah yeah all right I think council is I mean I don't know if they should be a term limit but it's amazing for you to him I think so that's a different section that's section 3-1 the term of the office of the mayor shall be two years I'm sorry I don't think a term I think I'm saying it
10:51wrong not a term I think the the length of office the length of love should be a two-year and you think I'm in a four year I think right it should be the term of office of the mayor shall be two years yeah it should be four years so that's a different sections no I'm happy the way it is I I think you like running every two years no no not all no actually no no no
11:21I don't but I don't know if that's the part that's you know no I don't but um but I think for the stability of this but that's a whole nother that's not on the agenda so I'm not bad for that particular and on the agenda yeah I was confused in this section but in terms of if this is the section that she wanted to talk about I don't know I think it's fine
11:43emotions motion to table 2.1 we can talk about it enough
11:53yeah there is no debate or discussion on the motion to table all those in favor
12:07moving on to section 2.7 access to information 2-7 access to information a in general the city council may make investigations into the Affairs of the city and into the conduct and performance of any City agency B information request the city council may require a member of a multiple member body City officer or a city employee to appear before the city council to give any information that the
12:38city council may require in relation to the municipal Services functions and powers or duties which are which are within the scope of responsibility of that person and not within the jurisdiction of the school committee C mayor this city council May request specific information from the mayor on any Municipal matter and may request that the mayor be present to answer written questions relating to that
13:05information at a meeting that the council may call within a reasonable time after the request is made to the mayor the mayor shall personally or through a designee attend such meeting and respond to the questions the mayor or the person designated to attend shall not be required to answer questions relating to any other matter the council May further delineate procedures under this provision in the council's rules
13:33D notice the city council shall by resolution request the attendance of any officer or employee of the city but not including the school committee or employees of the school department to appear before it under this section the resolution shall include the subject on which the city council seeks information and may contain specific questions prepared by the council no officer or employee called to appear before the
14:00city council under this section shall be required to respond to any question not relevant to the subject of the inquiry as identified in the resolution the mayor shall receive a copy of all such resolutions thank you discussion comments questions motions or for anything other than the state of the city I mean I know will did initially they never came they never I've not seen him um school committee stuff
14:41um yeah the joint meeting right joint meeting yeah his budget yeah and his address to the city city administrator
15:01do we know why this is on the agenda oh yeah I have no idea I I have myself but two sections yeah yeah I didn't put on this agenda I have a piece in section 3-2 and I have a proposal which would be entirely new language at the end of article six that's all I asked for to be on this agenda and I don't have anything table two seven yeah I don't have any markings the table
15:33second seven by um Committee Member Mayor John Mitchell seconded by uh member Mimi werribee no discussion all those in favor aye opposed to seven at the table moving on to 3.2 section 3-2 executive powers enforcement of ordinances the executive powers of the city shall be vested solely in the mayor and may be exercised by the mayor either personally or through the several City agencies under the general
16:11supervision and control of the office of the mayor the mayor shall cause this Charter ordinances and other orders of the city government to be enforced and shall cause a record of all official acts of the executive branch of the city government to be kept the mayor shall exercise General supervision and Direction Over All City agencies unless otherwise provided by law or by this Charter each City agency shall furnish
16:39to the mayor upon request any information or materials the mayor May request and as the needs of the office of Mayor in the interests of the city may require the mayor shall supervise direct and be responsible for the efficient administration of All City activities and functions placed under the control of the mayor or by law or by the Charter the mayor shall be the mayor did I read that wrong the
17:07mayor shall be responsible I thought I just read this for the efficient and effective coordination of the activities of all agencies of the city and may call together for consultation conference and discussion at reasonable times a person serving the city whether elected directly by the voters chosen by persons elected directly by the voters or otherwise the mayor shall be by virtue of the office a member of every
17:32appointed multiple member body of the city the mayor may as such ex-officio member attend a meeting of an appointed multiple member body of the city at any time including executive sessions so-called to participate in the discussions of that body but shall not have the right to vote I have one piece before but before that I'm going to open it up to the rest of the members and I will go west
18:03does this don't answer your question because it says the mayor shall cause the charter to be enforced Charlie
18:19so I think I never sent everything to get into it it's 9 14. yeah anything on this I don't have any notes I don't have no notes on it it's yours Danny everyone the only other piece that I might suggest is listing the actual agencies or offices that are under this provision so it just says executive branch but or and it also refers to several City agencies the language is a little bit loose
19:01I've said why a hundred times uh but the mayor is is the chief executive of the city he is ultimately responsible for she yeah well in this case any mayor is ultimately responsible for the overseeing the entire operation of the city of emotions changes discussions so TR well Tracy you mentioned the in other parts a little bit harder we've noticed that language is vague and and you've pointed out Mr robillard that's a
19:43continuing theme throughout this document so my suggestion is to make it a slightly more explicit about exactly the agencies that we refer to in section 3-2 do agencies ever get created that like yeah do they once in a while so we've changed a lot yeah my only concern with listing them would be then if something changes and a new either an agency is renamed eliminated added it wouldn't be covered then in the charter
20:20there's changes there's reorganizations to departments we've just seen a reorganization at the school committee level with facilities and operations uh that there's been a real numerous rears by numerous Mass uh over the years uh We've we've changed DPW to facilities maintenance the duties so I I for one wouldn't support it for the reasons that Miss nankovich points out when he and as my colleague Miss Almeda
21:00has said prayer when you stop whistling things you were explored so yeah well just ensuring that this language would be inclusive of all of those agencies rather than exclusive if by listing them it would serve to exclude potentially I would not support it it's just a discussion at this point it's not emotion and so that was the reason for the discussion right um mostly it just seems a little bit
21:30vague and I want to make sure that we're tightening up language and to ensure that this couldn't be argued and poor you know to say that this is not an agency that's governed by or overseen by the mayor therefore it doesn't have to meet the obligations of 3-2 the whole chapter is vague so what is are we covered though with the definition of City agents that's what I'm looking at right now anymore
21:57yeah division or Office of the city of Fall River and that's where we make sure and we did that modify that language right right so that takes care of it do we then refer to the definition in that section as defined by sayings just to make sure that we're I mean if we explicit want to clean that up I mean I think it's pretty clear City agency as it's defined here
22:22you know any multiple member body any Department division or Office of the city of Fall River yeah that's pretty clear and so let's refer to that in 3-2 okay that's my emotion that we refer to that definition what exactly is the motion that we add stated in 1.7 what the city agency is defined as defined by 1.7 so you want you want to list the agencies no no no no just the definition we want a
22:54reference as defined you wanted to find what a city agency is that you want to point to it in 3-2 just so there's no confusion about what that I was going to say City agency or whatever language is as defined in section 1.7 yeah the definitions or whatever that becomes yeah 1.7.35 whatever that new the section of definitions whatever that number ends up being uh that Tracy makes a motion to modify the language and
23:37three two is there a second second any further discussion all those in favor
23:55well I was trying to say just take those three things let them in the definition boards whatever subcommittees or whatever the three things are that are listed in the definition of City agencies and include that in the paragraph that they refer to the definition just put in the paragraph put the definition of agencies well if you refer to the section than any places in the charter we're referring back to
24:21the section if any changes were made it would cover all of it and so I I hear what you're saying and Mr Dennis and I I agree but we may refer in some of the other pieces of the document back to those definitions and just to keep it clean and consistent so we only have one place to change my one piece in this so I think we got a vote on that oh yeah
24:53oh we did yeah oh all right I don't think we did it made a motion I seconded it yeah yeah I don't think we've owned it I asked for remote we didn't all right well we got a motion made by attorney Ahmed John Mitchell seconded by no actually the motion was made by trees all right motion made by Tracy to modify that language seconded by man Mitchell all those in favor aye any opposed so voted
25:24my one my one little piece in this section is I have a real problem with the med being an ex-officio board member of every single board any man not just this man any mayor at all the reason I feel so strongly about this and I vigorously argue this when we put it in the man is for the most part was a few exceptions the mayor of the appointing authority of all the boards
25:59with some few exceptions I I just I just don't think he ought to be a member of any type uh because Amen on the the current structure of our government is the appointing authority so I would move to strike that section that allows any mayor to be an ex-official uh member of every board because the man might by by the duties of their office is the appointing authority under our structure of government
26:41yeah I happen to agree with you on that it just seems pretty redundant he's appointing people to those boys so why is it seems very micromanaging at that point if you can be on the board so I I agree with that Daniel I disagree I disagree and here's the reason why he doesn't have a right to vote but if the way that it reads is that he being an ex-officio member he can attend a
27:03meeting participate in discussions if needed I mean just because he appoints someone doesn't always mean that they're going to have the same point of views or interest but I would say that if he's needed he can be invite this is my view he can be invited to a meeting so if the board is requesting that the mayor is there they can invite the mayor to come down and sit and be at him isn't that
27:29what happens now though no but what if they don't invite him and he wants to say something he can well he can because he just can't oh right that's what I'm saying is if I would feel differently if he had a right to vote on all these but the fact that he doesn't have a right to vote I don't see any harm with having him as an exhibition member well I make I'm making
27:51a motion to strike that section that allows the mayor to be an ex-official member a motion will fall what will go forward or die at the will of the committee but that's my emotions yeah can I just want to have some further discussion so thank you so as it stands right now so the mayor can come to any meeting as an ex-official member and discuss whatever he wants whatever he wants he can
28:26you know basically come to any meeting whatever he wants and and say whatever he wants but he also points people to each of his boards absolutely so he doesn't have to do that correct absolutely he he is he is by virtue of the office and I'm using he because right now we have a male now okay this is a wife to any man right I don't care if Tom and Jerry is the man I
28:54believe that this section gives the mayor too much power he the mayor is already the appointing authority and whether I'm gonna say it some people might not like it but it's my opinion okay the man has the right by virtue of his office to stack boards he appoints people for the most part I believe that our friendly to him this gives him even more power but I want to stress this is not
29:32my motion is not directed at mayor Paul cooner it's directed at any man do we know the history as to why this was put in there he's going to say we don't need the whole thing is a nightmare it's a laborious task but I will I'm just saying was there like was there a particular reason at any point there and look at you and say hey I appointed you you vote my way but
30:01I think I think you could have one or the other right you either a company but the thing is this it doesn't give them more power as a because he doesn't have a vote a right to vote but I think it can cause a lot of chaos if he just comes to every meeting and gets to say his point and then he's not voting but by virtue of the fact that he's sitting there
30:21discussing as the appointing authority I can see where it can be a problem I I I I see it as indirectly giving the man more power any man I'm gonna stress for the third time now I can see where this has been a problem in the past and I in previous administrations this has been a problem in the past so I can see what I would say that um was there
30:52an instance where this was an issue well I remember I remember when um uh the uh and I don't know if this applies to this or not and I'm sure Dan will let me know if I'm wrong but I remember when um mayor Correa came down at the city council meeting and just showed up and he wasn't welcome there and he was like I can be here I believe
31:21um and he just like came and took a seat and was like I I have the right to be here and he wasn't it was I think they shut off the cameras it was it was a nice yeah can he be there of course I mean the zoning board meets here anyone can come in yeah I think he was like is the key here though the including executive sessions like is that no no
31:45voting this says that's what I'm saying is that well this is much broader I never do this because he could show up he could show up as a citizen of Fall River to any mem right any public meeting right this this is not speaking to his ability ability to speak as a citizen that this is in the capacity of Mayor and I I re I gotta stress now for the
32:13fifth time that this is not directed at all no this is directed at the office actually I think you'd be doing Paul Coogan a favor yeah I can't imagine any mayor who wants to attend the board meeting I mean to decide someone's license I mean you get calls on that you're involved in it yeah but that's what the board is for it's a buffer right okay and that's why you appoint
32:35people so then you don't have to but then what about the sentence then that precedes this the member shall be by virtue of the office a member of every appointed multiple member body of the city that's what I'm trying but that's what I'm trying to I'm trying to remove him from that okay well there that's two sentences you're only removing the last sentence which said he shall set the mem
32:59may or may as such ex-official member but it's actually the sentence before then that says would you please reread what you're referring to sure it's the mayor shall be by virtue of the office a member of every appointed multiple member body of the city the mayor may as such ex-official member attend a meeting of an appointed multiple member body of the city at any time including executive sessions
33:29so-called to participate in the discussions of that body but shall not have the right to vote Wow first of all me according to this right now he's a member of every multiple member body board in the city correct as an ex-official member right because he doesn't have the right to vote that's why he's ex-official so I understand why you think and I'm not going to dispute it I I just
34:07I want to clean up this I I think this is complex I don't think the mess should be involved with boards certainly not as a member whether voting or ex-official I I just think uh you know you you also talked about the city council okay the city council when I'm not a lawyer and I don't want to play one on TV okay but the city council is a legislative body elected by the people
34:43okay it's not it's not a City Board it is a legislative body responsible for spending every dime on the city side of the West so to ask about the city council and whether the mayor can attend the city council that that is completely two different things because this is appointed multiple member bodies so but then I I put on my other half for work and I think of um as an executive and I think all right
35:20if I'm I'm running a company and I think of different departments that I put together and then people to head those departments as an executive I want to be able to jump into any meeting and be able to see what's going on on the people that I put on all of those things do I don't want to be removed from the from the authority that I have from all these departments that I put together in
35:42all of these boards so would is that what we're doing if we're removing this and so then I I'm kind of backtracking of what I'm saying because it's exactly yeah if I'm as a as an executive I put together you know you put your security team together your billing team together your front office staff your clinical staff your medical staff and I put people in charge of those people now I
36:07hop into all of those people that I oversee or is someone going to tell the executive that they now don't have the authority to oversee or be into those meetings you can't come to our meeting without a problem with that so now now so putting that hat on Dan I think I have to re-tract what I'm saying and I may be looking at with the wrong eyes and I don't think that I I
36:31think I have to think this one through before I make a a decision on that I think I I might I may be jumping a gun I feel safe in this because of the shall not have the right to vote I mean but I do I that's what I'm saying with you is like how can you run a city and not be able to like be part of these appointed multi-member and they're made you're
36:53right maybe some people do stack the boards with people they know but it doesn't necessarily always mean that they're always going to agree or whatever but I feel like that's part of his job yeah to know what's going on in those appointed committees I'm going to give you his ability to gather information yeah that is a negative thing I'm gonna give a perfect example and I just only have to go over like
37:14just in my in my day job today I had to jump into a meeting on my billing team today of something they weren't understanding so I had to go into their meeting to clarify something today and then I jumped out and they continued with their meeting and I was here but you know I just can't open what if I you're not all of it I mean what do you do so I I'm just
37:37looking at it from a different perspective right now Dan so I just I have to think about this for a minute I just have to like I I have to I I totally get what you're saying about um the power and control but if I'm thinking about this through um as a CEO position a CEO position an executive position and you're overseeing everything does that make sense to um not have that Authority so I just
38:04have to think about that the mayor ultimately also have uh he has the final say so to speak because when these people's terms expire he doesn't have to reappoint them any board member okay any board member serves that the will of the administration the only difference is now okay now as a result of this Charter this Charter adds a second layer and says that all board members all members
38:41of multiple member bodies AKA board members are now confirmed by a vote of the city council so even if uh any mayor wants to appoint somebody to a board the city council can say by a by a majority vote no yeah so I'm thinking what if it was in from and I'm just thinking out loud yeah so what if um Kathy and I sat on the pockboard and Kathy and I are talking and and uh the
39:23mayor appointed me and we're talking and we're saying hey mayor has the information that um such and such Park is littered with with hypodermic needles it is hypodermic needles he's holding the information that pocket is full of hypodermic needles don't go there we're on the popcorn we're spreading this information hypodermic needles and that is being spread out to me and that is just false
39:44statement and then the rest of the pockboard that's what is going that's going out of it and the mayor knows um that that information is inaccurate but he is not to come to the meeting and say anything because he's not a member and he's not and we're not asking him to come and he's not and I'm just he can't come and we're just giving misinform so I'm just talking out loud so what what
40:05do we do and he on the appointed and I'm not listening to him anymore I don't want to talk to him anymore and Kathy and I are just talking about the hypodermic needles in the park and telling the kids to stay away and we're telling you and no one and none the wiser and we're going to shut that part where does where is his authority in that I guess is what I'm saying do we
40:23wait till the term is over after we shut down whatever Park we decided it if any member of any board wants to have a discussion with the man as I read that there's nothing but you know what if we don't want to we don't want him there we don't want them yeah
40:46um I'm not precluding him from attending yeah he wants to attend By Invitation of a board member uh Graham I'd like to know how many times since this Charter passed have any mayor availed themselves of of doing that yeah no you're right I'm just you know nothing because because I can guarantee you this is new language with the passage of this Charter I I wouldn't there's a lot of new language yeah um
41:26all right should we vote right there's a motion in a second the motion is what the most job about that the last two sentences can I um before can I um there's a motion in a second we're still in the discussion would it make sense to table this motion until we had a full more a full body with other people here to talk about or do you want to continue with your motion
42:01with me it's up to you all right I don't know how important this is for you might lock because we have an even number of people yeah I will not be the tiebreaker tonight so I don't know if you want to wait and we can table it or if you want to go ahead let's do one listen full we're missing Tim I don't know if Finn was coming back if
42:27we continue to meet on Monday well we won't but um Rina and Paul definitely really looked into that um ex-officio she really dug deep into that um the the ex-officio piece uh that uh to my knowledge that the able to share has worked until uh concerns um Mr Rumsey yeah yeah I think yeah I have nothing to do with this uh I'll Entertainer I'll I'll withdraw my motion and ask that it be tabled
43:01okay I second that moving on we'll get a vote right in favor of tabling it right yep yep I agree bye aye aye ocean is tabled now we're on to article six yeah I'm I'm gonna uh there's something that I put in I'm gonna ask that this be table I make a motion the table out second so we're repeating this meeting next time meeting next Monday no a week right because next Monday is Memorial Day
43:45and I won't be there okay
43:58visions do you want me to read it or should we moving forward one section 9-14 enforcement of Charter Provisions it shall be the duty of the mayor to see that the charter is Faithfully followed and that all City agencies and city employees comply with its Provisions whenever it appears to the mayor that a city agency or city employee is failing to follow this Charter the mayor shall
44:24in writing cause notice to be given to such City agency or a city employee directing compliance with the charter if it shall appear to the city council that the mayor personally is not following the charter the city council shall by resolution direct the attention of the mayor to those areas in which it believes there is a failure to comply with the charter the procedures made available in Charter 231a of the general
44:49laws may be used to determine the rights Duty status of other or other legal relations arising under this Charter including any question of construction or validity which may be involved in such a determination so I got a lot of notes Here too yeah me too I have something about five days there's adding a grievance committee this is we talked about a a grievance committee a grievance board of three
45:19right you guys said yeah we had a small a a small b and a small c yeah a was so up until the last sentence the procedures B was the appointment of a grievance committee one from the mayor one from the city council and one from the school board um I have something there seven to fourteen days I think they have seven to fourteen days to review the grievance I think and then
45:50C was then the part about the procedures made available and somewhere in here I have the process one is a no a formal notice two is Charter goes before the charter grievance and three was Court I think we struck out the court right that was replaced with the charter grievance committee yeah well ultimately the way I remember it once it went to the John agreements committee uh if the petitioners were not satisfied
46:26they then had had a right to go to the next level which would be to court yep yep so I don't think we struck out the court no because that was that's the only option you can take I'm somebody that's not following is poor that's the only thing in the whole thing well well no the grievance what was put in that sort of a sort of a conduit mediator right they would before they would be
46:56first right like yeah so but what could they do if the well you give it so they'd have authority to to to conduct hearings to hear from the public that you'd give the they would say like we refine that you are in violation of let's say I did something wrong so they say uh Miss Washington you're in violation of this you can either fix it and rectify it or they're going to take
47:26it to court and and that's basically okay well we'll go and fix this action so we're not going to get sued so it's like a intermediate intermediate body to try to resolve before it goes to court but even that body that has no Authority except to go on to they're not even going to bring the action it'll be I'm assuming the general counselves he's not here and I don't exactly remember but I believe Mr Machado was
47:54prepared to offer some language to give them some Authority the idea is if there's a violation there's a way to fix it on the local level potentially without going to court because that costs money so I hate to say this but do we table this till maybe get Mr Michelle I got no he was coming up with language I I got I got news for you we paid forty thousand dollars for this channel so oh well
48:30if if you think that's money well spent well no we don't we're with you Dan uh um so should we table num should we table section uh 9 14. is that a motion I make a motion to Table 9 14 and wait for Mrs machado's language I don't know that I don't know that he was he said something about that would have to be languid I I shouldn't have said that he was
48:56preparingly comparing it but he was discussing the idea that there would need to be some language to give the Charlie grievance board grievance committee however you want to turn them Authority so to speak so there's a there's a motion to table section 914 is there a second go ahead there is no discussion on a motion to table all those in favor um opposed I make a motion to adjourn there's a
49:36motion to return for that motion we should make sure the next meeting yes because it's going to be the last one I don't know that Bane was intending to call another one after yes the first Monday of June yeah I will not be here I have a subcommittee meeting we should try to make sure we get people um the chair asked me to to book me yeah The Atrium uh
50:22well it's the last meeting but then I think we're supposed to get yeah written a written to review that
50:38on Monday June 5th so Monday June 5th if the meeting stands as it has been discussed uh it will be in the age room second the motion to adjourn all those in favor